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How do machines "talk" too kaylee?" some sort of machine empathy?

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Tuesday, October 5, 2004 2:33 PM

FENRIS357


Ok machines seem to talk to Kaylee not that it is shown much in the showbut I'm curious if its something kinda sixth sense or she's just VERY tech minded. discuss

Kaylee is kinda of yummy too, know i think of it

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Tuesday, October 5, 2004 6:08 PM

CAPNRAHN


Heh, being an long time Avionics Tech, I can say it is sorta subconscious observation.

When running smoothly machines make certain noises -- even circuit boards -- they 'hum' -- you'll have to trust me on this one.

They also have certain smells when function good verses breaking down. Sometimes a component on a circuit board may have fried, but the components casing is untouched - a really good sense of smell helps in tracking it down without having to pull out the diagrams.

In one episode, I think Kaylee said something like this, talking about Serenity: "She don't sound right..."

So I think she is a brilliantly intuitive engineer - she knows what a machine looks like, smells like and sounds like when it is operating correctly - after she gets to know it - of course! .

Hows that sound?

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Tuesday, October 5, 2004 7:34 PM

AMNESIACK


While I pretty much agree with you, the devil's advocate argument against that would be how in the flashback in "Out of Gas" she was able to diagnose and fix the engine in Serenity, even though she said she'd never even seen one before.

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Tuesday, October 5, 2004 7:59 PM

EMBERS


she was born and raised around machines...so even tho she hadn't been on a space ship before, she had seen all kinds of ground vehicals...

I'm in the camp of believing that she just has a lot of innate understanding, a lot of keen observation, and more general training than she usually admits to...(out of modesty)

after all, remember the discussion at the party in Shindig? She was very knowledgable about all different kinds of engines...

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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 3:01 AM

STILLSHINY


but machines that communicate through telepathy? That sounds like science fiction. .......We live on a spaceship dear.

sorry, I just had to do it.

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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 5:46 AM

FENRIS357


Quote:

Originally posted by Stillshiny:
but machines that communicate through telepathy? That sounds like science fiction. .......We live on a spaceship dear.

sorry, I just had to do it.

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when I telepathy I'm suggesting she innately listens to the ship "machine spirit" (you know the thing that you thank when your car starts when your already ten minutes late and its pouring with rain.

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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 9:30 AM

GWENHARKER


Kaylee is very gifted when it comes to mechanics. I highly doubt the machines talk to her, but I have to agree witht he fellow up there: Machines make certain noises when they're breaking, smells, and the like. Someone who's really 'one with the metal' if you will, would know this, identify it.

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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 12:15 PM

SHINYLETO


Agreed. Just think of machines you use every day. Computers and cars, for example, make lots of weird noises when they're on the fritz. If you know enough, its easy to discern which noise goes with which problem. When you're driving a car and you start going up a steep hill, the engine makes a certain noise. You'd know right away if it wasn't making the normal noise, and I'm willing to bet a good mechanic would know the specific parts the noise corresponds with.

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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:12 PM

ZOID



ShinyLeto, et al:

In the OoG flashback, Kaylee not only demonstrates her prowess as a diagnostician, she also demonstrates a detailed knowledge of the particular system she is working on. The specific lines in question:
Quote:

...
BESTER
No can do, cap. Secondary grav boot's shot.

KAYLEE (O.S.)
No it ain't.

Kaylee pops up, getting dressed. The men look at her.

KAYLEE
Ain't nothing wrong with your grav boot.
Grav boot's just fine.
(to Mal)
Hello.

She drops down again, out of view. Mal glances at Bester. Bester's a bit flustered.

BESTER
(to Mal)
She don't... that's not...
(to Kaylee)
No it ain't!

KAYLEE
(reappearing)
Sure it is. Grav boot ain't your trouble.
I seen the trouble plain as day when I's down
there on my back. Your reg couple's bad.

BESTER
(clueless)
The... the what?

KAYLEE
Reg couple. Right here. See?

BESTER
No.

KAYLEE
This.
(Bester is still of the blank expression)
I'm pointin' right at it.

She rolls her eyes, sighs, reaches in, breaks off a part of the engine.

BESTER
Hey!

KAYLEE
Here.

She plunks the part in Bester's hand. She reaches back in, tinkers.

KAYLEE
Don't really serve much of a purpose, anyway.
Just tends to gum up the works when it gets tacked.
(re: a nearby wrench)
Hand me that, will ya?
(he does)
So I figure, why even have it? Better to just plug
your g-line straight into the port-pin-lock and that
should...

She's done. WHIRRR the turbine starts to turn.

KAYLEE
There.

She shoves it in Bester's hand. Fiddles with the engine.

BESTER
What'd you do?

MAL
She fixed it. ...


She is clearly familiar with either that specific engine, or an identical mechanical process from another engine (i.e., every car has something similar in the way of a carburetor). Since the system in question includes a 'grav boot', I'm going to assume she's had experience working on spacecraft (unless y'all think farming implements in the 'verse use gravity drives).

She also doesn't say she's never worked on a spaceship, she says she's never been up in one (from the same scene). There is a difference.

Lastly, my long-since departed grandfather could diagnose even seemingly healthy automobiles by opening the hood and putting a hand on the engine, running it through the gears while idling and passing a finger along the inside of the exhaust pipe. He could then fix a problem within minutes that my father had been working on for a week. Familiarity breeds an affinity that might be mistaken for psychic by those without the knack and the experience.

...Like Mal, Bester and me...


Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
Hope y'all didn't mind the excerpt from the show's script. It came from:
http://twiztv.com/scripts/firefly/season1/firefly-105.htm
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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:20 PM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


Quote:

Originally posted by ShinyLeto:
When you're driving a car and you start going up a steep hill, the engine makes a certain noise. You'd know right away if it wasn't making the normal noise, and I'm willing to bet a good mechanic would know the specific parts the noise corresponds with.



And where can I find me one of those?

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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:21 PM

MYCROFT2


I had assumed she just had very strong intuition about machines.

I've known people like that. They just know when things are supposed to work a certain way.

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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:27 PM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
Hope y'all didn't mind the excerpt from the show's script.



Not @all. Reminds me of how much I miss Bester. The actor (& the writing) was so good, I felt I knew a lot about him from just a minute or two of screen time. And those tats . . .

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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:36 PM

FENRIS357


ok then heres one for you all. maybe it sis a PSI power. maybe thats way the blue hands played puzzle box with poor rivers head. maybe Psi powers are awakening in humans and the gov wanted the best for themselves?

well just a thought that replays and uncle jack daniels at 0300hrs maybe not the best blend?


smokey the bear started it!!! i hate fighting.

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Friday, October 8, 2004 6:59 AM

NYNAEVE


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
Lastly, my long-since departed grandfather could diagnose even seemingly healthy automobiles by opening the hood and putting a hand on the engine, running it through the gears while idling and passing a finger along the inside of the exhaust pipe. He could then fix a problem within minutes that my father had been working on for a week. Familiarity breeds an affinity that might be mistaken for psychic by those without the knack and the experience.

Respectfully,

zoid
B]



Zoid, your grandfather & my daddy would have gotten along just fine. I once watched my father do pretty much the same thing when fixing a vehicle. (and all of his girls learned basic car maintenance). So I understood exactly how Kaylee could "know" when something was wrong with Serenity....

Nyn

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Friday, October 8, 2004 7:26 AM

VENA


When I read your post the only thing I could think of Was Anne McCaffery and Henery Darrow. The Pre-Rwoan, early Peter part of the series.

Anyone else have a thought along these lines?

Because I am an American. And what does an American want? Democracy? Capitalism. I want to sell out and settle down. For one day only, it's a blue light special on Aisle Three. My wormhole technology... and a free set of steak knives... for all the tea in China. And anything you can imagine to pay me... welcome to my cold war.

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Friday, October 8, 2004 7:32 AM

FENRIS357


Quote:

Originally posted by Vena:
When I read your post the only thing I could think of Was Anne McCaffery and Henery Darrow. The Pre-Rwoan, early Peter part of the series.

Anyone else have a thought along these lines?

Because I am an American. And what does an American want? Democracy? Capitalism. I want to sell out and settle down. For one day only, it's a blue light special on Aisle Three. My wormhole technology... and a free set of steak knives... for all the tea in China. And anything you can imagine to pay me... welcome to my cold war.



sorry,

i'm afraid i dont recognise the reference. would you kindly elaborate?:disippionted:

cheers

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Friday, October 8, 2004 8:57 AM

MELEAUX


Whether Kaylee is "deeply intuitive" when it comes to engines or not, its not to be forgotten that "engines make her hot!". After all she prefers the engine room to Besters bunk. By the way, I too am sorry Bester didn't hang around a little longer...hmmm.

She understands, she doesn't comprehend

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Friday, October 8, 2004 1:51 PM

VENA


Quote:

They were an extraordinary people who read minds, healed bodies, diverted disasters, foretold the future--and became pariahs in their own land. They were the Talented--an elite cadre that had stepped out of the everyday human race--to enter their own.


Pegasus in Flight
To Ride Pegasus
Pegasus in Space

Anyone who knows Anne McCaffery knows that that woman loves to write series. These are the first three of the Pegasus/Rowan series. In the Beginning Darrow explains that being Talented is very common but not recognized for what it really is. One example was "that guy that can just listen to an engine and know what's wrong, that too is a type of Talent, not just the big stuff like the Kinetics."


Because I am an American. And what does an American want? Democracy? Capitalism. I want to sell out and settle down. For one day only, it's a blue light special on Aisle Three. My wormhole technology... and a free set of steak knives... for all the tea in China. And anything you can imagine to pay me... welcome to my cold war.

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Friday, October 8, 2004 2:24 PM

ZOID



Hey, Vena:

Your sig... Isn't that Denis Leary?

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 3:18 AM

FENRIS357


Quote:

Originally posted by Vena:
Quote:

They were an extraordinary people who read minds, healed bodies, diverted disasters, foretold the future--and became pariahs in their own land. They were the Talented--an elite cadre that had stepped out of the everyday human race--to enter their own.


Pegasus in Flight
To Ride Pegasus
Pegasus in Space

Anyone who knows Anne McCaffery knows that that woman loves to write series. These are the first three of the Pegasus/Rowan series. In the Beginning Darrow explains that being Talented is very common but not recognized for what it really is. One example was "that guy that can just listen to an engine and know what's wrong, that too is a type of Talent, not just the big stuff like the Kinetics."


Because I am an American. And what does an American want? Democracy? Capitalism. I want to sell out and settle down. For one day only, it's a blue light special on Aisle Three. My wormhole technology... and a free set of steak knives... for all the tea in China. And anything you can imagine to pay me... welcome to my cold war.



much obilged, vena. think i see what you mean, cool point.

I'm going to specail hell

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 3:26 AM

FENRIS357


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:

Hey, Vena:

Your sig... Isn't that Denis Leary?



sounds pure John Crichton to me. in full on "bugger this for a game of space fugitive, chased by someone who looks like a zombie S&M fan." mode.

get outta my head scorpy!

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 4:33 AM

ZOID



Fenris357:

Yeah, I do believe you're right. Leary had a similar rant on one of his stand-up specials on HBO(?) a couple years back... But the 'wormhole technology' appears to be the dead giveaway I overlooked.

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 3:10 PM

VENA


Yes, it is very John Criton. When I'm not in my Browncoat I'm 'Scaping. Love the Farscape very much.

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Because I am an American. And what does an American want? Democracy? Capitalism. I want to sell out and settle down. For one day only, it's a blue light special on Aisle Three. My wormhole technology... and a free set of steak knives... for all the tea in China. And anything you can imagine to pay me... welcome to my cold war.

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 5:34 PM

ZOID


Vena:

Still, you can see how I might mistake it for Leary:
Quote:

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadillac El Dorado convertible. Hot pink! With whale-skin hubcaps and all leather cow interior and big brown baby seal eyes for headlights! Yeah! And I'm gonna drive around in that baby at 115 MPH, getting one mile per gallon, suckin' down Quarter-Pounder cheeseburgers from McDonalds in the old-fashioned non-biodegradable Styrofoam container and when I'm done suckin' down those grease-ball burgers, I'm gonna wipe my mouth with the American flag, and I'm gonna toss the Styrofoam containers right out the side, and there ain't a godd*mn thing anybody can do about it. You know why? Because we got the bombs. That's why! Two words! Nuclear f*ckin' weapons, okay? Russia, Germany, Romania, they can have all the democracy they want. They can have a big democracy cake and walk right through the middle of Tiananmen Square and it won't make a lickin' difference cause we got the bombs, okay?

...

This is America! I want a bowl of raw red meat, right now! Forget that! Bring me a live cow over to the table! I'll carve off what I want and RIDE THE REST HOME!

from No Cure For Cancer, 1992, Denis Leary. Used totally without permission of any f*ckin' kind.


Profanely,

zoid

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Sunday, October 10, 2004 8:45 AM

VENA


I love it. I knew there was a reason I loved that guy!

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Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:25 AM

BROWNCOATFAN1


she has been around machines so long that she can tell when somethings wrong with them

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Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:29 PM

THEREALME


Quote:

Originally posted by meleaux:
Whether Kaylee is "deeply intuitive" when it comes to engines or not, its not to be forgotten that "engines make her hot!". After all she prefers the engine room to Besters bunk. By the way, I too am sorry Bester didn't hang around a little longer...hmmm.

She understands, she doesn't comprehend



I'm not so sure that engines really make Kaylee "hot" as Bester believed. I think she loves engines, and would do almost anything to see them up close. I think that she led Bester on so that she would get a chance to see the engines of a REAL SPACESHIP up close, and maybe even touch them.

Of course, Bester might have been close enough to her type of guy that she didn't so much mind the "price" she had to pay to do this.




The Real Me

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