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Third Week Only Geeks

POSTED BY: FIREFLYGAL
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Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:50 PM

FIREFLYGAL


Ok, let's get serious here. I've mentioned this idea in a couple of other posts but have decided to start a new post. I want to see Star Wars, I want to see Hitchhiker's Guide BUT I won't go see them within the all important first two weeks. Serenity will be the only movie this year to get my money (numerous times) within the first two weeks. I want Universal to know I support them for having faith in Joss and the BDM and I want Universal to know I want to see at least 2 more sequels.

There are die hard Lucas fans out there that are not willing to wait one extra second to see Obi-Wan and Vader dual it out and that's fine. My call is to all the fans out there that are willing to wait at least 2 weeks to see any other sci-fi movie. Will it make a difference? Don't know. Is it worth a try? Absolutely.

I've set up a little web site to those who will commit to not seeing any sci-fi movie except Serenity within the all important first 2 weeks.

http://www.geocities.com/realflygal/index.html

Please sign the guest book as I have no idea how to create a sign up list on the front page. If anyone can help with that I'd take it as a kindness.


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Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Count me in.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:03 PM

FIREFLYGAL


Thanks AURaptor. I'm not normally one for getting this radical either but I have a responsibility as a fan to put my money where my mouth is (um, and into Universal's hands..of blue??)

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:19 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


I on the other hand will see Serenity the day it comes out, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy as close to the opening day as I can, and Star Wars when I get around to it.

After that I will see Serenity often, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy as often as is called for, and Star Wars as often as I don’t need to pay and can’t talk the person paying into going somewhere else.

I’m not going to hold out on other movies to make Serenity look better. I’m going to support Serenity to make Serenity look better.

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:31 PM

FIREFLYGAL


Quote:

Originally posted by christhecynic:

I’m not going to hold out on other movies to make Serenity look better. I’m going to support Serenity to make Serenity look better.



Shiny. But I'll be doing both, holding out on other movies and NOT holding out on Serenity.

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:34 PM

SIMONWHO


How does not seeing either of those movies in their first two weeks help Serenity? Also, lots of sci-fi fans want HHGttG to get sequels too. Do you want to make this into an us against them? (especially given that lots of us fall into both camps)

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:56 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Count me as another who does not want to see Browncoats get into an "Us Against the World" mentality. Serenity will get its sequels based solely on how it performs at the box office in its first few weeks, not on how it compares to any other blockbuster franchise. There is no way in hell that Universal expects Serenity to outperform Episode 3, and I seriously doubt if there is anything we can do to make that happen. Serenity will be successful, there will be sequels, regardless of the fact it will not do the box-office business of Star Wars, which has more than 25 years of advanced publicity in its corner.

Besides, I run a website devoted to SF/Fantasy book and film reviews. You expect me to pass up the opportunity to post a review of those other films in a timely manner?




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:57 PM

EMBERS


No promlem re: Star Wars, I'm not going to see that in the theaters at all.

when I met Joss Whedon last Summer I told him I was going to make my friends come with me and stand in line the first day 'Serenity' opens.
and Joss replied:
'Actually the first week is Universal's responsibility; come the second week, because that is my responsibility'

and I assured him that I would would be seeing it many times, all his fans would be returning to see the film over and over again!

(and I agree, I'm hoping Hitchhiker's Guide will be a big hit too)

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:06 PM

FIREFLYGAL


Ok, folks this is not an us against them thing. I fall into both camps too. I love Star Wars, HHG, I love sci-fi. I'm making my choice as to showing the theaters and studios which one I like best. By spending my money on Serenity in the first 2 weeks when it "counts" I'm saying I want more Serenity. By seeing Star Wars or Hitchhiker's Guide later on, I'm still supporting the movie. Yes, it is more important to me that I see Serenity get sequels. It is my choice to do this and post this and if everyone else disagrees with what I'm doing, great. There are plenty of Hitchhiker fans that can bury me and my words at the box office if they choose.

That being said I can see this getting out of hand so how about if I go once to the other sci-fi movies during the all important first 2 weeks as opposed to the several times I'm planning for Serenity? Certainly can compromise a bit to avoid any backlash to Serenity.

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:23 PM

SIMONWHO


I still don't understand how going two weeks later makes any difference and I certainly don't have a clue how lower the early gross for SWIII and HHGttG makes any difference to Serenity. Certainly studio bosses can wait a couple of weeks to get your $10.

Of course even if every FFF.net member and every official Serenity Website member boycotted/double attended any of the movies, it would still be no more than a statistical error as far as the box office is concerned.

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:51 PM

FIREFLYGAL




Then why worry about it if I choose to do it. I guess I'm being silly since it doesn't matter.

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:55 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
Of course even if every FFF.net member and every official Serenity Website member boycotted/double attended any of the movies, it would still be no more than a statistical error as far as the box office is concerned.


This is totally unrelated to anything, but I have to say it. I just have to.

A virgin birth is a statistical anomaly. All great miracles are.

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Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:57 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by fireflygal:
Then why worry about it if I choose to do it. I guess I'm being silly since it doesn't matter.


In general nothing anyone does matters, it is only as part of a larger group that we can make a difference. There will be a larger group going to see it multiple times. The waiting on the others not so much, but the many times in the first two weeks, there will be a larger group, and thus you do matter.

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Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:29 AM

NYWOE


Quote:

I on the other hand will see Serenity the day it comes out, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy as close to the opening day as I can, and Star Wars when I get around to it.

After that I will see Serenity often, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy as often as is called for, and Star Wars as often as I don’t need to pay and can’t talk the person paying into going somewhere else.

I’m not going to hold out on other movies to make Serenity look better. I’m going to support Serenity to make Serenity look better.



Yup, I'm in this camp. I say, let's support sci-fi in all it's forms. Let's show the studios that we like sci-fi, we want more sci-fi. If Star Wars and HHGTG do well, it will actually help the studio to see the benefit of a Serenity sequel. My 2 cents. :)

Sorry to bash your idea-- I know your heart is in the right place...

I have heard of a place where humans do battle in a ring of Jell-O.
--Teal'c

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Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:49 AM

EMBERS


Fireflygal: I certainly didn't mean to sound like I was bashing your idea,
or criticizing you.
I was only putting in my feeling,
when one starts a thread people will post their opinion...
it isn't meant as a personal attack on the person who started it if they have a different opinion.


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Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:39 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES


Quote:

Originally posted by fireflygal:
That being said I can see this getting out of hand so how about if I go once to the other sci-fi movies during the all important first 2 weeks as opposed to the several times I'm planning for Serenity? Certainly can compromise a bit to avoid any backlash to Serenity.



"Real Fans Wait" The slogan writes itself. Except when it comes down to it, the numbers for HHG and Star Wars don't mean a thing when it comes to Serenity - and since they won't be taking up movie screen space when our BDM hits, they aren't competition.

Serenity is up against itself - if it makes back much of its budget in the first few weeks (IIRC, they were talking about Constantine II when the first one to me was making only so-so numbers, but had made enough to say that with the DVD it would be showing a nice profit), they'll green light a sequel.

"I threw up on your bed"

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Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:02 PM

FIREFLYGAL


Sorry Browncoats, I did take things a mite personal and got a little "tetchie". It's true the Serenity sequels will be based on it's own box office numbers so other sci-fi is not competition in that case. But what about the chance of Serenity's numbers doing so well compared to other sci-fi movies that Fox realizes they made a mistake and maybe, just maybe we can get a series back. Wouldn't that be unheard of! And wouldn't it be shiny if the fans could help make it happen!

Course there is the fact that I believe every Browncoat will be seeing Serenity multiple times and I think that's where it will matter. I just want to see it do well on it's own AND compared to other sci-fi movies because you never know who's comparing the numbers...

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Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:01 PM

THEGREYJEDI


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Serenity. Opening Day. Big Damn Premier Party, NC.

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Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:36 PM

SIMONWHO


It's not the plus or minus box office that I'm concerned about. It's about Star Wars fans and HHGttG fans hearing that Firefly fans are trying to organise a boycott of their favourite movies to make their box office look better.

They're our perfect target audience, we want them on our side, we need them on our side and getting on their nerves is not the way to do it.

If anything, a disappointing result for SWIII and HHGttG will mean that studios think the market for Sci-Fi has diminished and therefore they shouldn't be angling towards it.

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Monday, March 21, 2005 4:33 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Count me in FireflyGal!

I will be seeing Serenity opening day, several times in fact as I have taken that Friday off. I will take friends and family as many times as I can convince them to go over the course of the first three weeks, and each time I go I will be buying an extra ticket in memory of Lux as I know he will be there with us.



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Monday, March 21, 2005 5:39 AM

ZOID



Fellow Browncoats:

I'm gonna agree with SimonWho on this one. If anything, we should go see those other movies and risk the special hell by talking up Serenity during the movies. You know: (*stage whisper*) "Droids are so wimpy as villains. Now Reavers, on the other hand..." or "Hayden Christenson is entirely too whiny to be believable as an E-vil Vil-lain. I understand Chiwetel Ejiofor, who plays The Operative in Serenity (opening in theaters September 30th), does a MAGNIFICENT job of portraying the mindset of a sociopathic monster."

We should definitely all attend HHGttG, and those that feel like it should wear their Browncoat mufti. When they show the Serenity trailer, we should all stand up and cheer like madmen. That ought to get 'em thinking...


Revolutionally,

zoid
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"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." The Ballad of Serenity

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Monday, March 21, 2005 1:49 PM

FIREFLYGAL


Well Zoid I do like the idea of talking Serenity up and cheering at the Serenity preview but I'm still under the hope that by helping Serenity post large opening numbers compared to other sci-fi, Fox may take notice. I'm not suggesting to not go see the other sci-fi stuff (only during the first 2 weeks), so I don't really see studio executives taking money away from the sci-fi genre.

I truly don't want this to be an us vs. them thing because I want to see all 3 movies as well as many other fans out there (in addition to whatever else may pop up). I just want to see Serenity succeed more, I can't help that.

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Monday, March 21, 2005 8:40 PM

ZOID



fireflygal:

I think your heart's in the right place; but, it's seldom wise to take action just for the sake of doing something, even if it's wrong. That is how people wind up quadriplegic, cliff-diving into 3 feet of water.

I personally believe "Star Wars Episode III: The Sudden But Inevitable Betrayal" is gonna blow major chunks (and be the worst possible downer of an ending to the most beloved franchise of all time). It will give an entirely new meaning to the euphemism 'technicolor yawn'. At the same time, I guaran-damn-tee it will pull down $250 million in box. If Serenity gets half of that, we'll get sequels (and Star Wars will have ridden off into the sunset by then).

Everyone will flock like lemmings over a precipice to see the final installment of Star Wars, no matter how bad it is. Kinda like how everyone stops to gawk at a train wreck... All those fans will be available for Firefly fandom as soon as the credits roll on Ep III, 'cause they're never getting another Star Wars fix, no matter how lame the characters and dialogue.

As others have said: Star Wars fanatics are precisely the people we need in the theater to see Serenity. Any plan that gets publicized on the 'net (and believe me, it will) that pits Serenity's fans against Star Wars fans will lose our movie megabucks.

As with the cliff-divers, look before you leap. Especially since it's not just your own neck you are risking...


Respectfully,

zoid
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"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." The Ballad of Serenity

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Monday, March 21, 2005 9:11 PM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
I'm gonna agree with SimonWho on this one.


And I'm gonna agree with both of 'em, just adding some math:

If the BDM sells ten times as many tickets during opening week as Firefly has sold DVDs, then doesn't drop off too much in its second week, it should rank as a modest success, and we'll probably get our sequels. Where are we gonna find enough folks to buy all those tickets? Not on this site.

Will Joss thank us for posting, to an open forum, a suggestion that seems tailor made to piss off some people who've been living for the next SW? Could this get out, perhaps generating bad feelings toward the BDM?

I'm gonna be there with the little "z", cheering the trailer for the BDM.

Quote:

Revolutionally,

& I've read enough of your stuff to know that isn't a spelling mistake

Keep the Shiny Side Up . . . (wutzon) der Bingle, "Accentuate the Positive, Eliminate the Negative (Watch Out for Mr In Between)", from "LA Confidential" (soundtrack)
with Jim Croce's voice runnin' through my head, singin' the chorus "Don't Tug On Superman's Cape" etc, since I started reading this thread

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