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The Last Jedi

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Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:59 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS


I purposely did not read any reviews or watch all the trailers, just so that I could go in and totally immerse myself in the fantasy. There are parts that I really loved and some that I didn't, but overall I liked it.

First, a movie that had humor and some continuity. Although I wasn't too thrilled with some of the edits and jump cuts, but it did have pacing and overall movement much like the early trilogy. I felt that Director Johnson got a little too enamored of the melodrama, but he would intersperse humor, and so that would bring the pace back into play. Somehow I felt that Johnson overused the intercut between scenes which threatened to rob the movie of it's established pace (some establishment is a good thing).

The story, although somewhat involved, followed a logical pattern and accounted for itself well. Second, a movie that spoke of the past but only as a way to honor it. But this movie was about transition, both about the characters within the movie, as well as, the franchise itself. I got the feeling that Disney is looking for a way to transform the franchise and develop a new Jedi order. Perhaps even to recruit new members with Finn and Rey leading the way. And even perhaps the newest character Rose.

But I did like it. I liked the treatment of the overall story, funny, drama-filled when needed but always adventurous. The Last Jedi came the closest to the feeling I had to the original 3 episodes. I got the feeling that I had in TESB, the second and, to everyone's mind, the best of the whole lot. The one where we find out about Luke's father. We all waited patiently for that moment, that game-changer moment when we would find out about Rey's parents. NO SPOILERS HERE.....SORRY! You'll have to see the movie to find that out. The movie was 2 and a half hours long, but it actually doesn't feel that long. But I was getting a bit anxious at times. Nonetheless, Johnson did well to give us a second act that delivered the goods. Action, adventure, peril, Jedi lore and yes, LOVE.

Okay, I'm assuming that you all will have one big question....Was it good? Yes, it was. Okay, maybe two big questions...Was it better than Force Awakens? Yes, very much so. I ask one more question...Was it the best ever, better than TESB. No, The Empire Strikes Back is still number one, at least for me. But this certainly tried hard to top that film.

I give it 3.5 to 4 Stars out of 5 (mainly due to some poor edits, and some over the top acting...I will leave that up to you to determine once you go see The Last Jedi.


SGG

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Sunday, December 17, 2017 9:43 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS


I purposely did not read any reviews or watch all the trailers, just so that I could go in and totally immerse myself in the fantasy. There are parts that I really loved and some that I didn't, but overall I liked it.

First, a movie that had humor and some continuity. Although I wasn't too thrilled with some of the edits and jump cuts, but it did have pacing and overall movement much like the early trilogy. I felt that Director Johnson got a little too enamored of the melodrama, but he would intersperse humor, and so that would bring the pace back into play. Somehow I felt that Johnson overused the intercut between scenes which threatened to rob the movie of it's established pace (some establishment is a good thing).

The story, although somewhat involved, followed a logical pattern and accounted for itself well. Second, a movie that spoke of the past but only as a way to honor it. But this movie was about transition, both about the characters within the movie, as well as, the franchise itself. I got the feeling that Disney is looking for a way to transform the franchise and develop a new Jedi order. Perhaps even to recruit new members with Finn and Rey leading the way. And even perhaps the newest character Rose.

But I did like it. I liked the treatment of the overall story, funny, drama-filled when needed but always adventurous. The Last Jedi came the closest to the feeling I had to the original 3 episodes. I got the feeling that I had in TESB, the second and, to everyone's mind, the best of the whole lot. The one where we find out about Luke's father. We all waited patiently for that moment, that game-changer moment when we would find out about Rey's parents. NO SPOILERS HERE.....SORRY! You'll have to see the movie to find that out. The movie was 2 and a half hours long, but it actually doesn't feel that long. But I was getting a bit anxious at times. Nonetheless, Johnson did well to give us a second act that delivered the goods. Action, adventure, peril, Jedi lore and yes, LOVE.

Okay, I'm assuming that you all will have one big question....Was it good? Yes, it was. Okay, maybe two big questions...Was it better than Force Awakens? Yes, very much so. I ask one more question...Was it the best ever, better than TESB. No, The Empire Strikes Back is still number one, at least for me. But this certainly tried hard to top that film.

I give it 3.5 to 4 Stars out of 5 (mainly due to some poor edits, and some over the top acting...I will leave that up to you to determine once you go see The Last Jedi.


SGG

TESB? I had thought most fans agreed the 2 best were ANH and ROTJ.
The original ANH, not the remix.
Was it better than Rogue One?

Aside, I just noticed a neighbor has a plate HAN SOLO.

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Monday, December 18, 2017 1:13 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I would say, having seen TLJ once, that it's on an even keel with Rogue One.
I need to see it again because there was quite a bit going on in the story. Lots to see and experience.

I really like ANH because of it's historical significance in filmdom, and I once thought that ROTJ was best, but over the years TESB has grown on me in it's storytelling and overall scope. TLJ tries to match the wonderment and overall pace, but TESB has so much going for it. The scene where Luke meets Vader on Bespin as he tries to lure him into the carbonite machine. That's worth the price of admission alone.

Alas there are no catch phrases, other than "May the Force Be with you" but there are some special moments. It was funny in spots and it was involved emotionally, but it doesn't quite have the charm of the original second act in TESB. There were some similarities, but it fell short of that specialness we have come to know in Star Wars movies.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS.....NO SPOILERS


I purposely did not read any reviews or watch all the trailers, just so that I could go in and totally immerse myself in the fantasy. There are parts that I really loved and some that I didn't, but overall I liked it.

First, a movie that had humor and some continuity. Although I wasn't too thrilled with some of the edits and jump cuts, but it did have pacing and overall movement much like the early trilogy. I felt that Director Johnson got a little too enamored of the melodrama, but he would intersperse humor, and so that would bring the pace back into play. Somehow I felt that Johnson overused the intercut between scenes which threatened to rob the movie of it's established pace (some establishment is a good thing).

The story, although somewhat involved, followed a logical pattern and accounted for itself well. Second, a movie that spoke of the past but only as a way to honor it. But this movie was about transition, both about the characters within the movie, as well as, the franchise itself. I got the feeling that Disney is looking for a way to transform the franchise and develop a new Jedi order. Perhaps even to recruit new members with Finn and Rey leading the way. And even perhaps the newest character Rose.

But I did like it. I liked the treatment of the overall story, funny, drama-filled when needed but always adventurous. The Last Jedi came the closest to the feeling I had to the original 3 episodes. I got the feeling that I had in TESB, the second and, to everyone's mind, the best of the whole lot. The one where we find out about Luke's father. We all waited patiently for that moment, that game-changer moment when we would find out about Rey's parents. NO SPOILERS HERE.....SORRY! You'll have to see the movie to find that out. The movie was 2 and a half hours long, but it actually doesn't feel that long. But I was getting a bit anxious at times. Nonetheless, Johnson did well to give us a second act that delivered the goods. Action, adventure, peril, Jedi lore and yes, LOVE.

Okay, I'm assuming that you all will have one big question....Was it good? Yes, it was. Okay, maybe two big questions...Was it better than Force Awakens? Yes, very much so. I ask one more question...Was it the best ever, better than TESB. No, The Empire Strikes Back is still number one, at least for me. But this certainly tried hard to top that film.

I give it 3.5 to 4 Stars out of 5 (mainly due to some poor edits, and some over the top acting...I will leave that up to you to determine once you go see The Last Jedi.


SGG

TESB? I had thought most fans agreed the 2 best were ANH and ROTJ.
The original ANH, not the remix.
Was it better than Rogue One?

Aside, I just noticed a neighbor has a plate HAN SOLO.


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Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:48 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


This Episode VIII certainly did not feel like a Lucas script or story. Several others agreed with me on that point.

I feel Rogue One was better, and a more fulfilling representative of the Star Wars franchise. Not sure why Johnson was selected to direct, but glad he turned down Episode 9.

Yes, somebody behind me was snoring during the show. I realized they weren't missing a whole lot. I did like it better than TFA.

At some point I'm wondering if this is the fate that awaits us in future films. Dawning on me that the script seemed the work of ADHD writer, or perhaps it was specifically targeted for short attention span audience.

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Tuesday, December 19, 2017 5:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Like I said before... down with Hollywood.

TV is so much better than movies now, and has been for quite some time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:05 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


No spoilers, but I will comment on what I DID like.

Snoke - I wasn't sold on this character AT ALL during TFA. But , from what I did see, they made him a bonafide bad guy. The CGI was good too, and all in all, I didn't hate seeing him.

Adam Driver, who all I knew of before TFA was that he was in GIRLS, and I hated that show... good performance. Now, I do still have issues w/ the CHARACTER, but... never mind.


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Wednesday, December 20, 2017 3:51 AM

ANONYMOUSE


What made TESB for me was what has been called one of the most momentous scenes in movie history, and deservedly so:

"No...I am your father."

For the current generation of fans, who of course have seen ROTS, this is old hat; they know it's true. It's very hard to get across to them the sheer incredulity audiences around the world felt in 1980. I don't think there has ever been a bigger WTF?! moment in movie history.

I haven't seen TLJ yet; it's pencilled in for the 27th, and I am so looking forward to it after the crappy year I've had. It'll have to be pretty special to top TESB, but frankly I don't care much if it doesn't; I'm sure it'll be good anyway. Disney do seem to understand and respect the mythos, and for me this was proven in TFA by the scene in which Kylo Ren drew Luke's/Rey's lightsabre to him and she took it herself. The moment in which she stood there, braced herself and ignited it, with the mood so perfectly set by John Williams' wonderful music, just looked so totally, utterly right.

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Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:04 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


The nagging sense I have is that it was so derivative, and much if it intentionally so. Other films are expected to be derivative of Star Wars. Star Wars need not be derivative of other films which were already derivative of Star Wars to start with - a previous Episode, aka OLDER, out of date.

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Sunday, December 24, 2017 2:45 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


No, definitely not a Lucas script, but I got the feeling, as I stated, that the edits were a bit off. As for the rest, looking back, it did seem a bit Jekyll & Hyde, peek-a-boo-ish.

There were parts I loved and wouldn't trade for the world; they were so good, so Star Wars, dripping with nostalgia - and just the right amount. But then he would spoil it by doing something quite awkward and counter-productive in terms of the Star Wars mythos. For example, the treatment of Luke Skywalker. I'm not sure what to make of it, although I do get the feeling that Disney wants to go in a different
direction. But some of Johnson's choices were head scratchers. Like I said, I'm not sure what to make of it. It seemed a bit uneven.

When I left the theater, I was busy absorbing what I just saw; and so were many within the movie theater. At the end of TFA, people were smiling, applauding and somewhat excited at what they just saw. With TLJ it wasn't apparent to me that people were excited at what they just witnessed. Since then, I have watched review after review, some good, some bad and some awful, and yet others that felt as I did - somewhat confused as to what to make of all of it. I'm thinking and going back to see it again and see if I still feel the same way.

Somehow I think this is what the brain trust at Disney wanted. I think I will start another thread to discuss, for those that have seen it. There's much to discuss.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This Episode VIII certainly did not feel like a Lucas script or story. Several others agreed with me on that point.

I feel Rogue One was better, and a more fulfilling representative of the Star Wars franchise. Not sure why Johnson was selected to direct, but glad he turned down Episode 9.

Yes, somebody behind me was snoring during the show. I realized they weren't missing a whole lot. I did like it better than TFA.

At some point I'm wondering if this is the fate that awaits us in future films. Dawning on me that the script seemed the work of ADHD writer, or perhaps it was specifically targeted for short attention span audience.


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Tuesday, December 26, 2017 5:47 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
No, definitely not a Lucas script, but I got the feeling, as I stated, that the edits were a bit off. As for the rest, looking back, it did seem a bit Jekyll & Hyde, peek-a-boo-ish.

There were parts I loved and wouldn't trade for the world; they were so good, so Star Wars, dripping with nostalgia - and just the right amount. But then he would spoil it by doing something quite awkward and counter-productive in terms of the Star Wars mythos. For example, the treatment of Luke Skywalker. . . .

In theory, it’s the fun, free-wheeling sci-fi franchise. In practice, it’s a strangely narrow and cramped dramatic world. Perhaps because the first three films were built up too much, and subjected, over the years, to the pressure of too much love, their zigs and zags have hardened into formula. As a result, almost everything in “Star Wars: The Last Jedi,” which was released on December 15th, is familiar, not just from past films in the franchise but from every past “Star Wars” film. Apparently, it’s impossible to imagine a galaxy far, far away in which the Millennium Falcon doesn’t weave through a canyon and Rebel bases are not besieged; there must always be a Jedi warrior with a British accent, and bands of resistance fighters must always include a raffish rogue with cool hair; someone must always conceive a crazy plan to sneak into an enemy stronghold and then get caught. Just as one’s dreams converge on the same situations (the pop quiz, the dentist’s office), so “Star Wars” seems to take place in a dream world in which old friends are perpetually reuniting and nobody can find his or her parents. For some fans, all this repetition makes a new “Star Wars” film an anxious experience. In a discussion about the “The Last Jedi” on the sci-fi Web site io9, viewers report “tensing up” when they hear musical cues evoking prior films and getting “flashes of the prequels” during the new movie’s lighter moments. They know the old movies so well that the new one is perceived not in itself but as a series of departures from a cherished template.

The directors of the new wave of “Star Wars” films have coped with the prison of fandom in different ways.

More at
www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/why-are-all-star-wars-movies-th
e-same


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 7, 2018 11:31 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
No, definitely not a Lucas script, but I got the feeling, as I stated, that the edits were a bit off. As for the rest, looking back, it did seem a bit Jekyll & Hyde, peek-a-boo-ish.

There were parts I loved and wouldn't trade for the world; they were so good, so Star Wars, dripping with nostalgia - and just the right amount. But then he would spoil it by doing something quite awkward and counter-productive in terms of the Star Wars mythos. For example, the treatment of Luke Skywalker. I'm not sure what to make of it, although I do get the feeling that Disney wants to go in a different
direction. But some of Johnson's choices were head scratchers. Like I said, I'm not sure what to make of it. It seemed a bit uneven.

When I left the theater, I was busy absorbing what I just saw; and so were many within the movie theater. At the end of TFA, people were smiling, applauding and somewhat excited at what they just saw. With TLJ it wasn't apparent to me that people were excited at what they just witnessed. Since then, I have watched review after review, some good, some bad and some awful, and yet others that felt as I did - somewhat confused as to what to make of all of it. I'm thinking and going back to see it again and see if I still feel the same way.

Somehow I think this is what the brain trust at Disney wanted. I think I will start another thread to discuss, for those that have seen it. There's much to discuss.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This Episode VIII certainly did not feel like a Lucas script or story. Several others agreed with me on that point.

I feel Rogue One was better, and a more fulfilling representative of the Star Wars franchise. Not sure why Johnson was selected to direct, but glad he turned down Episode 9.

Yes, somebody behind me was snoring during the show. I realized they weren't missing a whole lot. I did like it better than TFA.

At some point I'm wondering if this is the fate that awaits us in future films. Dawning on me that the script seemed the work of ADHD writer, or perhaps it was specifically targeted for short attention span audience.


I am going wondering how the first reviews were positive. Did fans already have their decision before even seeing the film?

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Tuesday, January 9, 2018 7:03 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

I am going wondering how the first reviews were positive. Did fans already have their decision before even seeing the film?


In answer to your question above: I don't know.

The problem as I see it, is not so much what fans expect, but rather the continuation of the Saga. It has to make sense. I understand that Disney wants to take it in a new direction, but it still needs to make sense if they want the fans, both old and new, to follow just as fervently as the OGs. The original Star Wars fans.

For example: As I sated before, the treatment of Luke as a character. That should have been handled differently. Why would Disney approve of Luke looking to kill Kylo, and in his sleep for crying out loud. That is not who he is.

Why? Remember back in ROTJ how he refused to give in to the Dark side of the Force and threw his lightsaber away instead of killing his father. He felt the good in him. He defied the Emperor. It just doesn't follow that he would look to kill Kylo, despite the fact that he was evil. A Jedi never attacks!
That death was against everything Luke had come to learn about using the Force.


SGG

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Tuesday, January 9, 2018 9:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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