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Joker

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Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Interesting...

Up until today, I had thought that Joker was out of theaters on January 10th. The-Numbers hadn't updated it since then, and it was only running in 85 theaters before that last day.

They just updated it with a whole mess of days and it looks like it's still in theaters to this day.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Joker-(2019)#tab=box-office

The Oscar buzz must have made them open more theaters for it because it jumped back up to over 800 theaters there for a while.

It didn't add much to the overall total in the last few weeks, but right now this makes it 18 weeks in the theaters. Compare that to Avengers: Endgame that had 20 weeks, and Captain Marvel that only had 17.



With how little it pulled in the last few weeks, it will never catch up to Captain Marvel, but right now it's only 59 Million behind. Not bad for an R Rated flick that didn't get a release in China and cost 1/5th to make.

Once the blu-ray and streaming totals are finished for both movies I expect Joker will have made 100 Million or more than Captain Marvel did.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 1, 2020 7:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

Looks like Joker got a week 19 and still has 348 theaters playing it.

Beats Cats and Maleficent on Friday night.

One more week and it was in theaters as long as Avengers: End Game.

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Saturday, February 1, 2020 12:16 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


wow.


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Monday, February 10, 2020 3:58 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Two Oscars
Best Actor
Best Score

All things considered, it was a solid field and with very good films all around, so 2 awards is pretty damn good, considering the nature of the film and it's general dark message.


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Monday, February 10, 2020 5:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Two Oscars
Best Actor
Best Score

All things considered, it was a solid field and with very good films all around, so 2 awards is pretty damn good, considering the nature of the film and it's general dark message.




Best Score was an easy throwaway that Joker was going to get no matter what.

Joaquin only got Best Actor because he sold his woke speech at an awards show a few weeks earlier.


I haven't at this moment yet decided if I should throw him under the bus with the rest of them and just say fuck it altogether, or if I should applaud the man for playing the system.

Who's to say?

He is, after all, the best actor of a generation.



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Monday, February 10, 2020 9:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


2nd actor to win an Oscar for playing the role of Joker.

Also, Parasite won best Foreign film. Why isn't that grounds for disqualifying it for best overall film?

My unsupported conspiracy theory is that Joker was the best film winner, but woke Hollywood decided it simply couldn't allow that, so they gave a 2nd award to the Korean film, thus making a bold, historic choice.

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Monday, February 10, 2020 10:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


C'mon man. You knew that there was zero chance in hell that our Woke "academy" was going to let Joker win.

There was zero chance in hell that Todd Phillips was going to get any awards at all after this...

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/todd-phillips-left-comedy-joker-woke
-culture-1202177886
/



That's why I'm hesitant to jump on any Joaquin hate-train for his recent speeches which without a doubt lead to his Oscar win. He's great at playing characters both on and off screen. Who the hell knows what's going on in that head of his? He might have just played everybody.

Playing "woke hero" for a bunch of Hollywood Elite parasites after playing that role is certainly a better choice than what the last Joker did with his life after letting that monster into his head.






I think Ricky Gervais said it best when asked what his first line would have been if he had hosted the Oscars:

Quote:

I can’t wait to hear all your inspirational speeches about equality, and it’s great that the 3 hours you’re here tonight is the only time your badly paid migrant house staff will get some time off to sleep this week. ~Ricky Gervais, via Twitter


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Saturday, February 15, 2020 11:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


BTW...

Joker does in fact still have a place in the Box Office for the week beginning on Friday February 14, 2020. It has been cut to 165 theaters from 501, but that makes Joker's theatrical release a full 20 weeks.

That officially means it was in the theaters as long as Avengers: End Game.


I wonder if it can eek out one more? Before the Oscar hype brought it back up to over 800 theaters a while back, it was only showing in 80+ theaters. It just might possibly end up with a longer Box Office than End Game did.

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 11:03 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Amazing at how well it did w/ 1/100th of the public relations machine as End Game.

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 12:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Amazing at how well it did w/ 1/100th of the public relations machine as End Game.

Our Trump lovers can't stop praising Joker. Joker is just another financially efficient movie about murder. Another efficient murder movie is Saw (2004) with worldwide box office 86.6 times production budget. Joker had only a worldwide box office of 19.5 times production budget. There are seven Saw sequels with the last being Jigsaw (2017) with worldwide box office at 10.4 times production budget. Joker cannot compete with Saw and there will not be a Joker sequel. What would it be about? Would it be the same story, but from the point of view of Joker’s murder victims? I don’t think so.

www.the-numbers.com/movie/Saw#tab=summary
www.the-numbers.com/movie/Jigsaw-(2017)#tab=summary

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 4:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Amazing at how well it did w/ 1/100th of the public relations machine as End Game.

Our Trump lovers can't stop praising Joker. Joker is just another financially efficient movie about murder. Another efficient murder movie is Saw (2004) with worldwide box office 86.6 times production budget. Joker had only a worldwide box office of 19.5 times production budget. There are seven Saw sequels with the last being Jigsaw (2017) with worldwide box office at 10.4 times production budget. Joker cannot compete with Saw and there will not be a Joker sequel. What would it be about? Would it be the same story, but from the point of view of Joker’s murder victims? I don’t think so.

www.the-numbers.com/movie/Saw#tab=summary
www.the-numbers.com/movie/Jigsaw-(2017)#tab=summary

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Joker isn't anything like Saw. You would know that if you actually watched it, which you haven't.

I only even went to see it based off of Rappy's affirmation that it was not torture porn. I have a LONG history here of saying that I will not see any movies that fall even loosely into that category. Just ask Nilbog. We got into it over The Kingsman. In that thread I told the story of how my brother was showing me the trailer to it one day and once the guy blasted somebody in a church point blank and proceeded to kill everyone in the church I told him to turn it off... and that's when my niece came in the room and I quickly picked her up and turned her so her head wasn't even facing the TV until he had.



Let's take a moment and reflect on the violence in Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey...



(Video for Birds of Prey removed since it's not actually a kill count and just clickbait bullshit. Going to probably have to wait until the DVD comes out.)

Looks pretty ridiculous saying what you say about Joker when comparing it to the death count in either of those movies. There were just 11 deaths in Joker, only 6 of which were carried out by Arthur himself.

Even without an accurate death count in Birds of Prey yet, Suicide Squad alone has more than 19 TIMES the deaths than Joker had, and more than 36 TIMES the amount of kills that Joker had himself.


You're going to need citations that it's only Trump supporters that love Joker, idiot. And I don't mean from Vox or MotherJones or any lefty media outlets who have had a very clear anti-Trump bias for the last three years. I'm talking a legitimate study.

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 4:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Amazing at how well it did w/ 1/100th of the public relations machine as End Game.



Yes it is.

Also amazing is how well it did with NPC's like Second saying NPC things too.

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You're going to need citations that it's only Trump supporters that love Joker, idiot. And I don't mean from Vox or MotherJones or any lefty media outlets who have had a very clear anti-Trump bias for the last three years. I'm talking a legitimate study.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Everyone except me on this thread is a Trump lover. All the Trump lovers are praising Joker for how much money it made. Trump lovers I know in Texas praise Trump for how much money Trump made. And the World has an anti-Trump bias because he is a fat lying sack of shit . . .
www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
and a tax cheater to boot . . .
www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/
and a sex criminal.
www.politico.com/interactives/2020/donald-trump-love-advice-valentines
-day
/

I don't see any reason why Joker lovers should not be Trump lovers.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You're going to need citations that it's only Trump supporters that love Joker, idiot. And I don't mean from Vox or MotherJones or any lefty media outlets who have had a very clear anti-Trump bias for the last three years. I'm talking a legitimate study.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Everyone except me on this thread is a Trump lover. All the Trump lovers are praising Joker for how much money it made. Trump lovers I know in the Texas praise Trump for how much money Trump made. And the World has an anti-Trump bias because he is a fat lying sack of shit . . .
www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
and a tax cheater to boot . . .
www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/
and a sex criminal.
www.politico.com/interactives/2020/donald-trump-love-advice-valentines
-day
/

I don't see any reason why Joker lovers should not be Trump lovers.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




That's not proof that only Trump "lovers" like Joker.

That's only proof that one particular serious Trump HATER like you dislikes Joker.

And you'll recall that SGG started this thread. He has ZERO love for Trump, but holds this movie in extremely high regard.


YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. I AM RIGHT AGAIN.

Imagine that, huh?

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 7:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's not proof that only Trump "lovers" like Joker.

That's only proof that one particular serious Trump HATER like you dislikes Joker.

And you'll recall that SGG started this thread. He has ZERO love for Trump, but holds this movie in extremely high regard.


YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. I AM RIGHT AGAIN.

Imagine that, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I forgot Trump's mental health issues. Joker has his mental health issues, too, as do the Trump lovers I know in Texas. Is Trump Crazy? No crazier than the Joker.
www.google.com/search?q=Is+Trump+crazy%3F

I think 6ixStringJack, who used to be called 6ixStringJoker, couldn't prove he is not crazy. There is his unemployment, the reclusiveness, the addictions, the need to compulsively defend himself against phantoms like me posting on the internet. And then there is the craziest thing about 6ix: joining a nation wide group of Trump lovers called the Republican Party.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 7:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's not proof that only Trump "lovers" like Joker.

That's only proof that one particular serious Trump HATER like you dislikes Joker.

And you'll recall that SGG started this thread. He has ZERO love for Trump, but holds this movie in extremely high regard.


YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. I AM RIGHT AGAIN.

Imagine that, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I forgot Trump's mental health issues. Joker has his mental health issues, too, as do the Trump lovers I know in Texas. Is Trump Crazy? No crazier than the Joker.
www.google.com/search?q=Is+Trump+crazy%3F

I think 6ixStringJack, who used to be called 6ixStringJoker, couldn't prove he is not crazy. There is his unemployment, the reclusiveness, the addictions, the need to compulsively defend himself against phantoms like me posting on the internet. And then there is craziest thing about 6ix: joining a nation wide group of Trump lovers called the Republican Party.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Dude. You have mental issues.

You repeat the same garbage day in and day out. You never stay on topic. You quote people constantly and never follow up those quotes with anything relevant to the topic at hand. Case in point, this example right here. Any given post you make contradicts posts you've made in the past. You've been known to contradict something you just said even 5 minutes before in a separate thread. All of these behaviors are predictable because you consistently exhibit them every single day. You constantly talk about the possibility of our President dying, and on several occasions by your own hand. You have suggested several times that people should murder their bosses and take everything they have.



YOU SAID THAT ONLY TRUMP LOVERS LOVE JOKER. YOU SAID THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD BESIDE YOU ARE TRUMP LOVERS. THIS THREAD WAS STARTED BY SHINYGOODGUY WHO HATES TRUMP JUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO.

Seriously man. Take a break or something. You get worse every single day.

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 9:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Seriously man. Take a break or something. You get worse every single day.

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6ix, I have the movie. I can see the disgusting thing you keep praising:

Joker.2019.720p.BrRip.2CH.x265.HEVC-PSA.mkv

6ix, you are crazy to see merit in this movie. Is that why you talk about the money it makes? Because the artistic statement the movie makes is not uplifting. Some lows of the movie (Arthur is the Joker):

1) Penny, Arthur's mother, suffers a stroke and is hospitalized. The following day, Arthur kills Penny at the hospital.

2) Arthur is visited by Randall and fellow ex-colleague Gary. Arthur murders Randall but leaves Gary unharmed as he treated him well in the past. En route to the studio, Arthur is pursued by the two detectives onto a train, but escapes.

3) Arthur walks out to applause, but starts telling morbid jokes, confesses to the train murders, and rants about how society abandons the downtrodden and mentally ill. Arthur kills Murray.

This is a movie not to watch, 6ix. And yet you keep praising it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 10:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Dude. You have mental issues.

You repeat the same garbage day in and day out. You never stay on topic. You quote people constantly and never follow up those quotes with anything relevant to the topic at hand. Case in point, this example right here. Any given post you make contradicts posts you've made in the past. You've been known to contradict something you just said even 5 minutes before in a separate thread. All of these behaviors are predictable because you consistently exhibit them every single day. You constantly talk about the possibility of our President dying, and on several occasions by your own hand. You have suggested several times that people should murder their bosses and take everything they have.



YOU SAID THAT ONLY TRUMP LOVERS LOVE JOKER. YOU SAID THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD BESIDE YOU ARE TRUMP LOVERS. THIS THREAD WAS STARTED BY SHINYGOODGUY WHO HATES TRUMP JUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO.

Seriously man. Take a break or something. You get worse every single day.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, I have the movie. I can see the disgusting thing you keep praising:

Joker.2019.720p.BrRip.2CH.x265.HEVC-PSA.mkv

6ix, you are crazy to see merit in this movie. Is that why you talk about the money it makes? Because the artistic statement the movie makes is not uplifting. Some lows of the movie (Arthur is the Joker):

1) Penny, Arthur's mother, suffers a stroke and is hospitalized. The following day, Arthur kills Penny at the hospital.

2) Arthur is visited by Randall and fellow ex-colleague Gary. Arthur murders Randall but leaves Gary unharmed as he treated him well in the past. En route to the studio, Arthur is pursued by the two detectives onto a train, but escapes.

3) Arthur walks out to applause, but starts telling morbid jokes, confesses to the train murders, and rants about how society abandons the downtrodden and mentally ill. Arthur kills Murray.

This is a movie not to watch, 6ix. And yet you keep praising it.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Only simple minds need uplifting messages and Hollywood Endings to find merit in movies they watch.

You are basic. You are trite. Everything about your entire existence is banal.

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Sunday, February 16, 2020 11:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


It stuns me to no end how the Left CONTINUES to miss the point, entirely.

second, did you even SEE the movie? Because it sure as hell doesn't sound like it.

I've stated before - Joker wasn't in my wheel house in terms of fine movies I like going to see. I steer clear of senseless snuff garbage. Slasher movies, The Purge, Saw, Freddy and Friday the 13... never has been my style.

And Joker wasn't remotely like any of those. I'd actually put it in the same category as American Sniper, Capote, and even Saving Private Ryan. None of those are 'fun' movies, where the audience claps and cheers or laughs. Parts were a bit dry and even tough to watch. Not for the gore either, but for the emotional pain and the reality of it all.

I wasn't feeling on top of the world after watching those movies, but I could still say that they were very well made, very REAL , in respects to their message and what they had to say.

Second - your TDS is severe. This movie has ZERO to do with Trump. Please, just let it go already.

Fans REMIND folks like you of how much money JOKER made because people like YOU tried to destroy it and talk it down.

How'd that work out for ya?

And it made that $ with OUT being released in China. That's 1 billion people who didn't have a chance to see it , at all.


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Monday, February 17, 2020 6:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It stuns me to no end how the Left CONTINUES to miss the point, entirely.

second, did you even SEE the movie? Because it sure as hell doesn't sound like it.

And Joker wasn't remotely like any of those. I'd actually put it in the same category as American Sniper, Capote, and even Saving Private Ryan. None of those are 'fun' movies, where the audience claps and cheers or laughs. Parts were a bit dry and even tough to watch. Not for the gore either, but for the emotional pain and the reality of it all.

I wasn't feeling on top of the world after watching those movies, but I could still say that they were very well made, very REAL , in respects to their message and what they had to say.

Tell me that "message" you received from the emotional pain felt by mass murdering Joker. What is that poor, suffering man whispering directly into your brain? I am really curious what messages you feel he is sending you. Please don't tell me Catharsis, that Joker is “cleansing,” a cleansing of your emotions.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, February 17, 2020 6:56 AM

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It's probably a good thing that Second didn't actually watch Joker, since he's the one on these boards with murder in his heart and plenty of posts talking about how he wants to assassinate the president and how he'd get away with it. He'd likely empathize with Joker more than most would.

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Monday, February 17, 2020 8:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's probably a good thing that Second didn't actually watch Joker, since he's the one on these boards with murder in his heart and plenty of posts talking about how he wants to assassinate the president and how he'd get away with it. He'd likely empathize with Joker more than most would.

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I have the movie in front me, 6ix. What does the movie make you feel? Catharsis? I hope not.

The last scene, where Joker leaves bloody footprints from his final kill in this movie, murdering his psychologist, is not the final kill from his many exploits in the comics and movies. As does all Great Art, it made me feel something:

I feel Batman should, next time or the time after that or the one after that, get around to killing Joker purposefully rather than recycling Joker endlessly into and out of Arkham. But if Batman did kill, that will be the end of the series. Batman would be retired from DC Comics and Lego movies. So Batman allows the Joker to go from one atrocity to the next and the next and the one after that until DC Comics goes out of business.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, February 17, 2020 11:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Let’s see now, joker was being bullied and ganged up on by three douche bag wall street boys to the point where he snapped and then shot them all. And what drew the attention of those guys to him on the subway? Joker was standing up because they were harassing a woman. Then he killed one of his coworkers, but left the other one alive. He smothered his mother, who herself was possibly crazy because she had lied to him. And the late night talk show murder on live TV. Lastly, we are led to believe he killed the caseworker in prison, although we aren’t entirely sure about that either.

What you aren’t getting about any of this is that we can’t believe what joker did or didn’t actually do. That’s what make this movie so fascinating, is that Arthur is an unreliable narrator. We know for a fact that events didn’t happen as we first saw, because of the scene when he shows up in the girls apartment.

So what about pulp fiction, or kill bill? Hell, just about any Tarantino movie? There is a long list of Hollywood movies where rampant in discriminate murder occurs, yet you step up on your soapbox to denounced this one?

I call BS.

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Monday, February 17, 2020 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

So what about pulp fiction, or kill bill? Hell, just about any Tarantino movie? There is a long list of Hollywood movies where rampant indiscriminate murder occurs, yet you step up on your soapbox to denounced this one?

I call BS.

Joker is NOT my first encounter with the Joker as entertainment. The Joker has an extremely long and detailed history of murdering people in the movies and comics. Are you supposed to sympathize with evil because these are his very first kills? How many people does Joker have to kill in the future before his status goes from misunderstood comic to evil mass murderer?

In Kill Bill, Bill is the bad guy. When he dies or even has a small setback in the two movies, that is good. Kill Bill could be turned into the movie Joker by making Bill the hero who wants his precious child returned and is being wrongly pursued by the oppressive Bride. That would require a new finale where Bill kills the Bride. Then we cheer for Bill's victory! Bill raises his child in love and peace. But Tarantino is not crazy. He did not make Joker.

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Monday, February 17, 2020 1:16 PM

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Joker is a bad guy.
That’s the point.
How aren’t you getting this?

The MOVIE itself was very well made. It’s a take on how a warped society can ignore a sick person, hell, ignore all of us, blind to the plight of the individual, while going out of its way oppress those same people.

But in the end, Joker succeeded because Hollywood & the social elites, the self appointed arbiters of right speak& right think who told us to stay away. Joker, to me, is a giant middle finger to the woke cult who still hasn’t learned their lesson.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It’s a take on how a warped society can ignore a sick person, hell, ignore all of us, blind to the plight of the individual, while going out of its way oppress those same people.

But in the end, Joker succeeded because Hollywood & the social elites, the self appointed arbiters of right speak& right think who told us to stay away. Joker, to me, is a giant middle finger to the woke cult who still hasn’t learned their lesson.

And there we have your political opinion that is driving all your adoration of this movie. Oh, you poor thing. The Coastal Elite don't value you.

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Monday, February 17, 2020 2:05 PM

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Oh, you poor thing. The Coastal Elite don't value you.



The Coastal Elite is going down. And they will never get rid of the Electoral College either.

Do you really think that somebody like me or Rappy give two single fucks about what they think of us, or about them in general?

What we're tired of is rich and entirely corrupt garbage people telling everybody else to "do as I say, not as I do", while they go fuck underage kids or rape people who otherwise wouldn't even give them the time of day because their power allows them to do it.



You asked me what I liked about Joker?


I already laid it out in great detail in this thread back when SGG still posted here. Go and read it if you care.

I already know that you don't care. I already know that you never watched the movie. You're just looking to get a rise out of people because you're a troll and an idiot.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 17, 2020 4:12 PM

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Yep!
Without respect, we reject!
That’s what the entire Fandom Menace is all about. Those Star Wars fans who rejected the Disney Star Wars franchise because as Kathleen Kennedy claimed, “there was no source material“ for the Star Wars canon which they bought from George Lucas.

The appreciation for Joker is just a widespread rejection of woke Hollywood. Star Wars, Star Trek CBS, Girl Ghostbusters , Nurse Who, Captain Marvel, Charlie’s Angels, Terminator dark fate, Harley Quinn, Batwoman TV series,.. it’s been said before, and apparently needs saying again. The smart kids in Hollywood and the re-purposers @ the BBC who are trying to shove their social agenda message into established and beloved franchises is facing a backlash.

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Monday, February 17, 2020 5:43 PM

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This.

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In 2019, the only movie I paid to watch at a theater was Alita: Battle Angel, which had a Joker who was called Nova, the target that Alita was sent to kill. Alita is roughly equivalent to Batman. She, too, has a tragic origin story and is a vigilante, mostly working with the law. I liked Battle Angel, so I can see the appeal of Joker-like characters existing, but I would not want to see a movie about Nova's origin story since he is the villain and his motives are not that interesting, although Nova's motivation makes 1,000 times more sense than flat-out crazy Joker's motivation. I have zero sympathy for the Joker's personality problems, while Nova's were fascinating, but you'd need to read the comic to know Nova. In the movie, there are only hints at what makes Nova go. In the Alita comics and movie, Nova lived after the comic ends, which I approve of, while I want a Batman comic or movie to kill the goddamn Joker and desecrate the corpse.

www.metacritic.com/movie/alita-battle-angel

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Tuesday, February 18, 2020 11:22 AM

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Second. Unless you are weaving the manga backstory into the movie, I don’t recall that Alita was sent to kill anyone. I don’t understand why you were trying to conflate nova from one universe with a the joker comparison. What is your point?

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Second. Unless you are weaving the manga backstory into the movie, I don’t recall that Alita was sent to kill anyone. I don’t understand why you were trying to conflate nova from one universe with a the joker comparison. What is your point?

Alita has a flashback to a training session in zero gees. Michelle Rodriguez holds a knife to Alita's throat, telling her this is your enemy, then a hologram of Nova is shown. Much later, but just before Alita cuts Grewishka's head in two, Alita speaks to Nova, calling him her enemy.

What's my point? Nova deserves death, but at least Nova has some redeeming traits (at the end of the manga, Nova gives Alita the greatest gift, what she had always wanted -- she gets reincarnated as a human.) Joker deserves death, but he has no redeemable traits or abilities or gifts to give. His entire life is worthless, from beginning to end. He only exists to show that Batman has enormous self-control for not killing the Joker every time Joker kills again and again, over many movies and comics.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2020 2:17 PM

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I have zero sympathy for the Joker's personality problems...



It wasn't "Joker's" personality problems. It's not even the same Joker that was portrayed by Jack Nicholson or Heath Ledger.

It was Arthur Fleck's personality problems.

It was the mental issues of a middle aged man who had been beaten down his entire life by his family and by society. For 9/10ths of the movie he was not Joker.

Even when he asked Murray to introduce him as Joker, he was not Joker.

Even when he admitted to killing the three Wall Street guys on the train, he was not Joker.

Arthur Fleck became Joker when Murray asked him if he was serious, and he made the realization and admission to himself that "I've got nothing left to lose. Nothing can hurt me anymore."

You can see that he's crying about it as he tries to laugh through it. When he says "My life is nothing but a comedy", Arthur isn't there anymore.





I'm going to ask you how you think that your own irrational thoughts make you any better than Arthur Fleck. You have suggested to me on no less than two separate occasions that I should kill my boss and steal everything he owns, and you have suggested that everybody not in the 1% should do the same.


I think you're projecting here. I think you're afraid of Joker because you see far too much of yourself in him. You know that he's bad, but you know that you are as well. Watching Joker is like looking into a dark mirror...

and it scares the shit out of you.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2020 4:33 PM

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I think you're confusing with fans liking the MOVIE Joker with fans liking JOKER, the character.

It's just a well made movie.

Geezus, get over it.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It wasn't "Joker's" personality problems. It's not even the same Joker that was portrayed by Jack Nicholson or Heath Ledger.

It was Arthur Fleck's personality problems.

It was the mental issues of a middle aged man who had been beaten down his entire life by his family and by society. For 9/10ths of the movie he was not Joker.

Even when he asked Murray to introduce him as Joker, he was not Joker.

Even when he admitted to killing the three Wall Street guys on the train, he was not Joker.

Arthur Fleck became Joker when Murray asked him if he was serious, and he made the realization and admission to himself that "I've got nothing left to lose. Nothing can hurt me anymore."

You'd make a great defense lawyer, but to your mitigating circumstances I say Arthur Fleck deserves the death penalty. And to Arthur Fleck's "I've got nothing left to lose. Nothing can hurt me anymore" dear little Arthur Fleck earned an extremely painful death. And to what he will eventually become, Arthur Fleck deserves to burn in hell forever while being tortured by devils in Joker costumes.

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I think you're confusing with fans liking the MOVIE Joker with fans liking JOKER, the character.

It's just a well made movie.

Geezus, get over it.

I'm sure you can make a well made movie about Adolph Hitler, and somebody did, but Hitler in the movie JoJo Rabbit deserved, and did receive, a kick in the balls and a bullet in the head. The Joker deserves no less.
www.metacritic.com/movie/jojo-rabbit

Joker changed his name from Arthur Fleck. Hitler changed his name from Schicklgruber. There is your parallel.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2020 5:38 PM

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Gee, thanks for the spoiler for those who've not seen Jo Jo Rabbit yet.



Seriously, even after I've clearly and plainly stated it's not about JOKER praise, but praising the MOVIE …

Never mind. Your mind is made up, and you don't WANT to get it. No sense in trying to convince you otherwise.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2020 7:21 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It wasn't "Joker's" personality problems. It's not even the same Joker that was portrayed by Jack Nicholson or Heath Ledger.

It was Arthur Fleck's personality problems.

It was the mental issues of a middle aged man who had been beaten down his entire life by his family and by society. For 9/10ths of the movie he was not Joker.

Even when he asked Murray to introduce him as Joker, he was not Joker.

Even when he admitted to killing the three Wall Street guys on the train, he was not Joker.

Arthur Fleck became Joker when Murray asked him if he was serious, and he made the realization and admission to himself that "I've got nothing left to lose. Nothing can hurt me anymore."



You'd make a great defense lawyer, but to your mitigating circumstances I say Arthur Fleck deserves the death penalty.



So would I, if he weren't a fictional character. Why do YOU assume that I would think otherwise?


Quote:

And to Arthur Fleck's "I've got nothing left to lose. Nothing can hurt me anymore" dear little Arthur Fleck earned an extremely painful death.


Only he didn't, at least not yet. Because he is a fictional character living in a fictional world.

Quote:

And to what he will eventually become, Arthur Fleck deserves to burn in hell forever while being tortured by devils in Joker costumes.


You are the Joker. Not just a joker.

Outside of killing his dying mother, Arthur Fleck didn't do a single thing in that movie that you haven't told other people they should be doing or that you wanted to do.

You hate yourself. You hate Joker because you see yourself in Arthur Fleck.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Seriously, even after I've clearly and plainly stated it's not about JOKER praise, but praise in the MOVIE …

Never mind. Your mind is made up, and you don't WANT to get it. No sense in trying to convince you otherwise.

May I quote you back to yourself? You brag about the money Joker made and that Joker grabs them from behind and rapes the Libtards up their asses. Those two are what is praiseworthy about the movie . . .

Joker is on the doorstep to making 1 billion dollars.

AND THAT IS WITH OUT ANY DOLLARS COMING FROM CHINA !
Joker was denied being shown in the Chinese market. Truly amazing.

Amazing at how well it did w/ 1/100th of the public relations machine as End Game.

The appreciation for Joker is just a widespread rejection of woke Hollywood. Star Wars, Star Trek CBS, Girl Ghostbusters , Nurse Who, Captain Marvel, Charlie’s Angels, Terminator dark fate, Harley Quinn, Batwoman TV series,.. it’s been said before, and apparently needs saying again. The smart kids in Hollywood and the re-purposers @ the BBC who are trying to shove their social agenda message into established and beloved franchises is facing a backlash.

Joker succeeded because Hollywood & the social elites, the self appointed arbiters of right speak& right think who told us to stay away. Joker, to me, is a giant middle finger to the woke cult who still hasn’t learned their lesson.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2020 7:33 PM

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Quote:

May I quote you back to yourself? You brag about the money Joker made and that Joker rapes the Liberals up their asses. Those two are what is praiseworthy about the movie . . .


I never said or suggested 1 damn thing about anyone being raped up their asses .

Yes, Joker - THE MOVIE. Thanks for verifying what I just so bluntly and clearly stated.

And Hitler never changed his name. His FATHER did, before Adolf was even born.

You may not take your seat on the bench. You've struck yourself out.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2020 7:48 PM

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Note that he's not replying to me. I've got him pegged.

100% owned.

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Note that he's not replying to me. I've got him pegged.

100% owned.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I actually have a job, you know. Even though I'm boss, my employees expect me to show when there is trouble. Trouble's fixed. Somebody had to kill Joker. I took responsibility since
Batman won't.

Political power isn’t enough for the right. It wants cultural power. Joker is their movie. To the extent that you see real power changing in America, you see it in culture rather than politics. This is why people find Black Panther infuriating — it has nothing to do with the content. But you get all of these responses like, “Why do I have to like this? Why is this being rammed down my throat?”

The next Joker movie could be a crossover with Judge Dredd. When the Joker kills with scissors to the eyes, for one example in the previous Joker movie, Judge Dredd kills Joker with scissors. Then Judge Dredd travels through time to stop Joker at an earlier murder, arriving too late, but not too late for Dredd to execute Joker in the same way Joker murdered his victim. Then Dredd goes to the next murder scene to stop the Joker, but again too late and so on and so on until Joker murders his own mother by suffocation with a pillow as happened in the previous Joker movie. Only then does Dredd try a new way to punish Joker. You’ll have to see the movie to learn the clever way Dredd kills Joker. You will laugh at his death and Joaquin Phoenix will win another Oscar.

The next Joker movie will easily make $2 billion in ticket sales!




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A movie about mental illness and mass murder is now celebrated by right-wingers as high quality entertainment. It must be great, the right-wingers argue, for why else would it make a billion and two Oscars?

"Joker" has sparked many conversations about mental illness. But while the movie gets some things right, it also gets a lot wrong, according to psychiatry professor Dr Ziv Cohen.

Cohen, who specializes in violence and psychopathy, told Insider that "Joker" strengthens the incorrect stereotype that there is a link between mental illness and violence. Also, the Joker is probably not diagnosable anyway. He said the Joker doesn't fall into the criteria for diagnoses like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. He is more likely to be a psychopath, but even that is reductive.

"Some of the greatest crimes in human history were committed by persons with no mental illness or evidence of psychopathy in their daily lives," Cohen said. "I think the Joker character forces us to grapple with this innate human capacity for evil, which is ultimately unexplainable, and which is fruitfully explored in works of art."

www.insider.com/what-joker-gets-wrong-about-mental-illness-2019-10

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 12:06 PM

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Joker doesn’t fit into the neat and well defined political boxes which the left would have us believe. Actually, if you look at the true narrative of joker, it falls more in line with the 99% crowd who protested Wall Street a few years ago.

And Internet fairytale was fabricated that tied this movie to some sort of white male anger… As it turned out, there were no mass shootings in theaters as so many on the left had hoped and projected.

Even going back to the aurora Colorado shooting, which took place at the opening of Batman, the shooter himself had nothing to do with joker. He was just trying to find a big selling movie to unleash his evil. It didn’t matter what movie it was.

Everything that the pansies on the left said joker would be turned out to be exactly opposite. That alone is reason to celebrate.

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Note that he's not replying to me. I've got him pegged.

100% owned.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I actually have a job, you know.



Cashing those Social Security checks is tough. You should probably look into direct deposit.

Quote:

Even though I'm boss, my employees expect me to show when there is trouble. Trouble's fixed. Somebody had to kill Joker. I took responsibility since Batman won't.


We know. You love to kill people.

Quote:

Political power isn’t enough for the right. It wants cultural power. Joker is their movie.


Joker "was" their movie. Sonic the Hedgehog is their movie now.

Not "The Right". Everybody but the extreme SJW Cultural Marxist Left.

The difference between Political Power and Cultural Power is on full display here. Unlike in Politics, nobody is being brainwashed that going to see a movie or not going to see a movie is going to be the end of the world as we know it.

That being the case, the vast majority have spoken quite easily here. The Cultural Marxists keep putting out flop after flop after flop in the theaters, on traditional television and on Netflix and pay the price for it because the vast majority isn't going to pay to see their bullshit anymore.


Quote:

To the extent that you see real power changing in America, you see it in culture rather than politics. This is why people find Black Panther infuriating — it has nothing to do with the content. But you get all of these responses like, “Why do I have to like this? Why is this being rammed down my throat?”


I don't recall Rappy or I complaining at all about Black Panther. You're going to have to dig up those quotes for me.

I didn't see it, but I didn't see the last two Avengers movies either. I've seen a total of seven comic book movies since Iron Man one came out over a decade ago. Iron Man, Avengers 1, Avengers 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 1, Deadpool 1, Shazaam, Joker. I don't recall if Nolan's Batman trilogy came before or after Iron man, but if it did add two since I saw the first two Batman flicks and skipped the third one.

Most of them are shit. Even the ones I saw.

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The next Joker movie could be a crossover with Judge Dredd. When the Joker kills with scissors to the eyes, for one example in the previous Joker movie, Judge Dredd kills Joker with scissors. Then Judge Dredd travels through time to stop Joker at an earlier murder, arriving too late, but not too late for Dredd to execute Joker in the same way Joker murdered his victim. Then Dredd goes to the next murder scene to stop the Joker, but again too late and so on and so on until Joker murders his own mother by suffocation with a pillow as happened in the previous Joker movie. Only then does Dredd try a new way to punish Joker. You’ll have to see the movie to learn the clever way Dredd kills Joker. You will laugh at his death and Joaquin Phoenix will win another Oscar.


Okay. Sure.

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The next Joker movie will easily make $2 billion in ticket sales!



It probably will. It probably won't be half as good as the first one too.

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Joker doesn’t fit into the neat and well defined political boxes which the left would have us believe.

The Joker shows excellent self-control. He can be swift when he needs to be but he can also control his behavior and 'act' whatever parts suits him. That is not at all consistent with bipolar disorder.

Joker is a very lucid thinker, can pull off incredibly complicated, well-orchestrated villainy, is highly motivated, and is able to interact with others at a very high level (i.e. manipulate them). In addition, he shows no evidence of delusional thinking at all. That is not at all consistent with schizophrenia.

The Joker does not meet the diagnostic criteria for mental illnesses or disorders that sometimes — albeit rarely — explain unlawful behavior. Even labeling him a psychopath does not fit him. Psychopathy isn't an official diagnosis in the DSM-5, but basically falls under the criteria for antisocial personality disorder. It's associated with charm, manipulation, callousness and the ability to tell the difference between right and wrong but having little care in practice.

Joker is not mentally ill, except in a philosophical sense. What I mean is that philosophically, we can argue that a person who deliberately disregards morality is acting in a manner that is 'insane,' that the behavior is totally contrary to all that most humans believe and the rules that make society work. But from a psychiatric perspective, these people do not have a disease. It is a personality trait.

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 3:27 PM

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Political power isn’t enough for the right. It wants cultural power.

You have a problem with your brain being missing. That statement is exactly 180° opposite of what is true.

Joker is their movie.

OK, boomer.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 3:53 PM

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Second still doesn't get that the movie Joker is about Arthur Fleck, and not about "The Joker".

Maybe he'd get it if he watched it instead of repeating reviews he read on Vox and Mother Jones.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second still doesn't get that the movie Joker is about Arthur Fleck, and not about "The Joker".

Maybe he'd get it if he watched it instead of repeating reviews he read on Vox and Mother Jones.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Joker is not a biographical movie. Arthur never existed. Joker never existed. And for most of his life Joaquin Phoenix plays characters that never existed. There is really nothing there, inside the movie. It is all going on inside your head. The movie is like radar bouncing off the inside of your noggin. A signal comes back telling the world how empty your head is according to how you react to this movie. I'm getting back a very steady and strong signal that says AURaptor and 6ixStringJack are hollow men fascinated by an empty movie about a nonexistent character.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 6:04 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

I'm getting back a very steady and strong signal that says AURaptor and 6ixStringJack are hollow men fascinated by an empty movie about a nonexistent character.


Again, posted unironically on the 'Cinema' forum @ Fireflyfans.net



Second - your attempted jabs and insults MIGHT have more sting if your views had more legitimacy to them.

But they don't.

Say what you want about Joker, but it did receive 11 nominations from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and won 2 Oscars, including BEST ACTOR. All while hauling in more than a billion dollars at the box office.

That may not be much, but as Captain Mal might say... " It's enough "

So 'empty '.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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