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STAR WARS Episode 9: The Final Abortion

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 9:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



The whole Disney trilogy was , in a word, lazy. They had no purpose to continue the story after ROTJ. The initial cast of new characters did, in my opinion, looked very promising. But beyond that, there was nothing the writers or directors had story wise which resembled Star Wars in the least.

The Disney Trilogy was one retcon job on top of another. If incoherent plots and short attention span theatre is what passes for movie making for kids, then by all means, go enjoy.

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 10:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

If incoherent plots and short attention span theatre is what passes for movie making for kids, then by all means, go enjoy.

My parents didn't go with me and my sister, but they sent us to "Have Rocket -- Will Travel" (1959), a Three Stooges movie which isn't up to the standards of Star Wars 9, proving that Hollywood has gotten better at making movies for children in the last 60 years. Parents should drop their kids off at Star Wars then do something else, as did my parents with "Have Rocket -- Will Travel".
www.imdb.com/title/tt0052880/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 8:02 PM

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So you're comparing a modern day space saga to a 1959 slap stick comedy staring the 3 Stooges, on the tail end of their career?

Just wow.

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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 9:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
So you're comparing a modern day space saga to a 1959 slap stick comedy staring the 3 Stooges, on the tail end of their career?

Just wow.

Hollywood understands that the audience is different for adult scifi and juvenile scifi. For adults, Hollywood made Ad Astra. For children, Star Wars.
www.imdb.com/title/tt2935510/

When adults go to juvenile movies, e.g. Star Wars 9, expecting adult entertainment, they are wanting too much. Hollywood can make a well written and acted movie for children, but to make one is difficult and the kids, the target audience, don't know the difference. Why bother writing and rewriting the script if you are in a hurry, have other projects going simultaneously, and are already fabulously wealthy?

Young, poor, and ambitious George Lucas rewrote Star Wars over and over starting in Jan 1973, but he didn't try that hard for the last 3 Star Wars scripts he wrote and it showed. He had grown rich, fat, lazy and didn't give a damn. Star Wars 9 had to cranked out in two years by another rich man, J.J. Abrams, who doesn't give a damn, either. Under schedule pressure, he is not going to keep rewriting until the script is for adults. He will stop when it is good enough for kids.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_(film)#Writing



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:38 AM

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Probably shouldn't spend half a billion dollars producing and marketing a kid's movie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 1:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Probably shouldn't spend half a billion dollars producing and marketing a kid's movie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That kind of thinking will keep you poor. To get rich, make another kid's movie as fast as possible. There was only 2 years between Star Wars 8 and 9. The gap between the first Star Wars in 1977 and second was 3 years.
1977 $322.74M Metascore 90
1980 $290.48M Metascore 82
1983 $309.13M Metascore 58
Each Star Wars movie got crappier, but still made money, which is the ENTIRE point of Hollywood, a point which it certainly does not like to remind ticket buyers.
www.imdb.com/list/ls070150896/

Star Wars 8
Budget
$317,000,000
WORLDWIDE Ticket Sales
$1,332,539,889 EQUALS WEALTH.
www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2527336/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 8:39 PM

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Hollywood doesn't understand jack squat! Just look at the trail of suck we've witnesses lately, from the Disney trilogy, Terminator: Dark Fate, Charlie's Angels, all chick Ghostbusters, CATS... whoa boy, I could go on.

And this claim that " it's a children's story " is outright nonsense. That's just retconning so Lucas could make more money, starting w/ introducing the Ewoks. After TESB, it was all down hill from there.

Now, want to know a story which WAS made for children? The Hobbit, released in 1937. But kids were more educated and mature back then, apparently.

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Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hollywood doesn't understand jack squat! Just look at the trail of suck we've witnesses lately, from the Disney trilogy, Terminator: Dark Fate, Charlie's Angels, all chick Ghostbusters, CATS... whoa boy, I could go on.

And this claim that " it's a children's story " is outright nonsense. That's just retconning so Lucas could make more money, starting w/ introducing the Ewoks. After TESB, it was all down hill from there.

Now, want to know a story which WAS made for children? The Hobbit, released in 1937. But kids were more educated and mature back then, apparently.

I was reading about a playwright, Stephen Adly Guirgis. He wants to give the audience something valuable for their money. And he writes about things he cares about. Hollywood does it exactly backwards, compared to Guirgis. Hollywood wants to take as much of your money as possible and give you no value in return. Oh, and obviously to me, Hollywood does NOT care a damn about the subject of their movies, which are just devices to separate you from your money, kind of like slot machines with the flashing lights and sound effects distracting you from the fact that none of it means a damn thing.

Here is the playwright: "How Stephen Adly Guirgis writes some of the best dialogue in American theater"
www.vox.com/culture/2019/12/26/20994261/stephen-adly-guirgis-interview
-halfway-bitches-go-straight-to-heaven

The Pulitzer-winning playwright’s latest, Halfway Bitches Go Straight to Heaven, returns to his themes of grace, fear, and the possibility of redemption.

Since a Star Wars movie is dubbed/subtitled into 20 languages, there is no time for complex dialogue or ideas that are not extremely simple to explain -- "Chewie! Shoot!" "The Deathstar will destroy your planet." "Luke, I am your Father." See? Simple. Easy to translate into 20 languages.

Star Wars 9 quotes will demonstrate how simple-minded the ideas driving the Star Wars series are. It is kid-sized and, in the final analysis, only says hate is bad, love is good and a coherent plot for adults is far too much effort to expect from a scriptwriter for a kid's movie: www.imdb.com/title/tt2527338/quotes/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 27, 2019 2:57 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Hollywood may be totally screwed up, but Burbank has never let anyone down.










(btw, I met Lisa Loring at a Megacon Sci Fi Convention a few years ago and she was wonderful. She still looks great and was very friendly.)



And then there's the best tv ever had.....



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Friday, December 27, 2019 7:30 AM

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These shows should be required viewing in HS.
I was surprised that my 20 something yr old nephews had never even seen the original Die Hard.

Classics need to be appreciated

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Friday, December 27, 2019 7:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
These shows should be required viewing in HS.
I was surprised that my 20 something yr old nephews had never even seen the original Die Hard.

Classics need to be appreciated

Classics need to be remade. I expect Disney will remake Star Wars -- A New Hope sometime in the next 20 years with a new actor to play Luke Skywalker, but Darth Vader will be . . . "Obi-Wan never told you. Luke, I am your Mother."



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, December 27, 2019 8:43 AM

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Second is attempting to troll everyone, if you haven't all figured it out yet.

Whether it was his idea or some pink haired weirdo at Salon.com, it doesn't matter.

Now that SW was a failure that we've said it would be, the new tactic is to just deride anyone who liked the originals by calling them man babies without actually saying the words. I mean, Star Wars is for kids, yanno.

It would actually be kind of smart if their historic behavior and tactics aren't already enshrined on the internet. I mean to say that they're a breed that prefers loud noise and theatrics rather than covert ops.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 27, 2019 1:05 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hollywood may be totally screwed up, but Burbank has never let anyone down.










(btw, I met Lisa Loring at a Megacon Sci Fi Convention a few years ago and she was wonderful. She still looks great and was very friendly.)



And then there's the best tv ever had.....





Most of the people in these videos are dead, just thought I'd throw that in.

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Friday, December 27, 2019 1:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second is attempting to troll everyone, if you haven't all figured it out yet.

Whether it was his idea or some pink haired weirdo at Salon.com, it doesn't matter.

Now that SW was a failure that we've said it would be, the new tactic is to just deride anyone who liked the originals by calling them man babies without actually saying the words. I mean, Star Wars is for kids, yanno.

It would actually be kind of smart if their historic behavior and tactics aren't already enshrined on the internet. I mean to say that they're a breed that prefers loud noise and theatrics rather than covert ops.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I liked Star Wars 4, 5, & 6. George Lucas worked extra hard on the script for #4, revising it over and over, and it had appeal to adults. #5 had two scriptwriters, Leigh Brackett & Lawrence Kasdan, both had written for adults. They abandoned a script for #5 that wasn't working. The director was NOT George Lucas. Then Star Wars #1, 2, 3 had crap written and directed by George Lucas. Truly juvenile work that Lucas did not bother to rewrite. First draft was the final draft of the screenplay, but with flashy fights and the same old John Williams' pop orchestra music the children couldn't tell the difference.

You can actual measure how much Executive Producer George Lucas' taste in script-writing was soured as he got rich and fat by looking at Indiana Jones IV. Lucas had a perfectly good script which he tossed in the trash for an inferior one because Lucas wanted to add Indy's son, "Mutt". If Lucas adds "Mutt" then something had to be deleted to keep the run-time unchanged. Too much was deleted and reconfigured. But would children notice? Nah, they have no concept. They can't tell the difference, but Lucas wanted a younger actor to takeover from Harrison Ford, so "Mutt" had to be added.
1) 50 Strengths of Darabont’s Draft
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/06/50-strengths-of-darabonts
-draft.html

2) Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods by Frank Darabont
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/indiana-jones-4.pdf
3) Fifty Flaws of Indy IV
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 8:38 AM

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Did you see Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016)? That is NOT a kid's movie, mostly because it had an adult purpose: show how hard it was to make it easy for Luke to destroy the Death Star. The designer of the Death Star died to make it convenient for Luke to simply hit one spot and destroy that machine. The designer's daughter died to get the plans her father left for her. The whole crew of the Rogue One died to get those plans. Definitely for a more mature audience than Star Wars 4. And it took a very long time to put together, unlike the juvenile Star Wars being made now by Disney.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_One#Development

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 9:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second is attempting to troll everyone, if you haven't all figured it out yet.

Whether it was his idea or some pink haired weirdo at Salon.com, it doesn't matter.

Now that SW was a failure that we've said it would be, the new tactic is to just deride anyone who liked the originals by calling them man babies without actually saying the words. I mean, Star Wars is for kids, yanno.

It would actually be kind of smart if their historic behavior and tactics aren't already enshrined on the internet. I mean to say that they're a breed that prefers loud noise and theatrics rather than covert ops.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I liked Star Wars 4, 5, & 6. George Lucas worked extra hard on the script for #4, revising it over and over, and it had appeal to adults. #5 had two scriptwriters, Leigh Brackett & Lawrence Kasdan, both had written for adults. They abandoned a script for #5 that wasn't working. The director was NOT George Lucas. Then Star Wars #1, 2, 3 had crap written and directed by George Lucas. Truly juvenile work that Lucas did not bother to rewrite. First draft was the final draft of the screenplay, but with flashy fights and the same old John Williams' pop orchestra music the children couldn't tell the difference.

You can actual measure how much Executive Producer George Lucas' taste in script-writing was soured as he got rich and fat by looking at Indiana Jones IV. Lucas had a perfectly good script which he tossed in the trash for an inferior one because Lucas wanted to add Indy's son, "Mutt". If Lucas adds "Mutt" then something had to be deleted to keep the run-time unchanged. Too much was deleted and reconfigured. But would children notice? Nah, they have no concept. They can't tell the difference, but Lucas wanted a younger actor to takeover from Harrison Ford, so "Mutt" had to be added.
1) 50 Strengths of Darabont’s Draft
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/06/50-strengths-of-darabonts
-draft.html

2) Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods by Frank Darabont
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/indiana-jones-4.pdf
3) Fifty Flaws of Indy IV
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




I didn't see Indiana Jones IV, or any Star Wars movie after Episode II.

At the end of the day, I kind of wish the only ones I saw were the original trilogy, but my memories of I and II are virtually gone by now, so they didn't ruin it like the sequels to the Matrix ruined the first movie for me.

I think the lesson here is that Hollywood isn't ever going to learn its lesson and we're going to keep getting half-baked reboot shit shoved in our face constantly, so it's incumbent upon us to tell them no and just not go and see any of it anymore.



For instance, I'm glad that they recognized they made a mistake with Ghostbusters 2016, but that being said, I have no real desire to see the new movie coming out at the same time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 10:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I didn't see Indiana Jones IV, or any Star Wars movie after Episode II.

At the end of the day, I kind of wish the only ones I saw were the original trilogy, but my memories of I and II are virtually gone by now, so they didn't ruin it like the sequels to the Matrix ruined the first movie for me.

I think the lesson here is that Hollywood isn't ever going to learn its lesson and we're going to keep getting half-baked reboot shit shoved in our face constantly, so it's incumbent upon us to tell them no and just not go and see any of it anymore.



For instance, I'm glad that they recognized they made a mistake with Ghostbusters 2016, but that being said, I have no real desire to see the new movie coming out at the same time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Disney makes most of its income from the theme parks and media networks it owns. Movie income is small, comparatively, which explains why movies are made from recycled plastic. Why bother to make those from sturdier adult material when weak and juvenile sells, yet is so much quicker and easier to make?

"Revenue of the Walt Disney Company in the fiscal year 2019, by operating segment"
www.statista.com/statistics/193140/revenue-of-the-walt-disney-company-
by-operating-segment
/
Even Star Wars toys and Halloween costumes for Princesses make almost as much money as Disney movies. And those toys and clothes aren't made by highly paid American movie technicians and crafts.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 11:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Classics need to be remade. I expect Disney will remake Star Wars -- A New Hope sometime in the next 20 years with a new actor to play Luke Skywalker, but Darth Vader will be . . . "Obi-Wan never told you. Luke, I am your Mother."y



I pray to the old gods and the new that we'll be done w/ this crap before that ever happens.

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 11:25 AM

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Damn... those retro dancing vids are atomic.

A young Daivd McCallum ( not dead yet ) playing the base is awesome. And wowza… Patty Duke.

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Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Wow. It really doesn't seem to be doing well outside of the US compared to the last two...

The Force Awakens (Final Numbers):

Domestic Box Office $936,662,225
International Box Office $1,131,561,399

The Last Jedi (Final Numbers):

Domestic Box Office $620,181,382
International Box Office $712,358,507




After two weekends, here's the numbers for Episode 9:

Domestic Box Office $390,602,536
International Box Office $383,300,000



Two things could account for this though. The opening night here in the states was actually on a Thursday, even though the-numbers.com chooses to lump that date in with the first Friday. So the $89+ Million opening night was actually spread over two nights here, and I've heard it was around $44 Million of the total.

It can be assumed the two previous entries were also aired on a Thursday and it took some time for the international box office to catch up and surpass that additional money. Who knows how long that took though, since the-numbers doesn't provide a week by week breakdown for any country outside of the US.



Also, I heard that South Korea had not begun showing it either. I believe that it opened either this past weekend or will open next weekend in SK. We probably won't know the answer to that one either if it doesn't generate enough revenue to rise out of "Rest of World" status.


It will be interesting to see what the final numbers are.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, January 4, 2020 12:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Ouch...

Episode 9 barely clears $11 Million domestically on its third Friday, barely beating out the $10.745 Million that Episode 8 made on its fourth Friday. Episode 8th's third Friday grossed over $34 Million, and that was on Recovery Day, AKA New Years Day.

What a turd.


Reporting for all of the international box office Friday numbers aren't in yet. I expect that the international gross will finally outpace the domestic gross when they do, after the film's 15th day in theaters. It's still showing the domestic take at around $5 million more, but almost certainly that will flip as the numbers come in. It will be interesting to see though how the international interest in this flick holds up to the two previous installments of the Disney Trilogy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 6, 2020 11:16 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Ouch x 2...

Episode 9 doesn't even crack $34 million for it's entire 3rd weekend domestically.

Episode 8 made that on a single Friday night during it's 3rd weekend, and repeated that feat the very next day two years ago. Episode 8's 3rd weekend total domestic take was over $90 million.



It will make over a billion. There's no doubt about that. And like I expected, after the weekend numbers the international take ($468 Million) has eclipsed the US take ($451 Million).



China hasn't even hit $30 Million yet, so it's unlikely that the Chinese market is going to be the thing that puts Episode 9 over the total take for Joker, which was not shown at all in China due to the R rating.


But then again, Joker only cost around $50 Million to make, compared to Episode 9's alleged $275 Million production budget, and we all know that Star Wars has about 100 times more marketing budget than Joker would have had.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 6, 2020 3:28 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ouch x 2...

Episode 9 doesn't even crack $34 million for it's entire 3rd weekend domestically.

Episode 8 made that on a single Friday night during it's 3rd weekend, and repeated that feat the very next day two years ago. Episode 8's 3rd weekend total domestic take was over $90 million.



It will make over a billion. There's no doubt about that. And like I expected, after the weekend numbers the international take ($468 Million) has eclipsed the US take ($451 Million).



China hasn't even hit $30 Million yet, so it's unlikely that the Chinese market is going to be the thing that puts Episode 9 over the total take for Joker, which was not shown at all in China due to the R rating.


But then again, Joker only cost around $50 Million to make, compared to Episode 9's alleged $275 Million production budget, and we all know that Star Wars has about 100 times more marketing budget than Joker would have had.



Do Right, Be Right. :)



It doesn't matter anymore, this time next month people will be talking about "Ghoastbusters 3" and "Wonder Woman 1984". People will have something to look forward to, they won't be looking back at this joke. My guess is we won't be hearing about any STAR WARS flicks for a few years, and by then no one will be getting excited.

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Monday, January 6, 2020 6:01 PM

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Just happy to see it fail is all.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2020 4:04 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

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Just happy to see it fail is all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



The bad news is Jar Jar Abrams is now on his way to Warner Brothers to fuck up the DCU, the good news is he may be losing STAR TREK at Paramount, they couldn't find backers for STAR TREK 4 so it's dead. Scuttle butt at Paramount and CBS/Viacom is they want Bad Robot (Jar Jar's production company) out because of the mess that is ST:D and all the trouble going on at Picard.

More good news, Rian Johnson will not be making anymore STAR WARS flicks. But it may not matter anymore, the damage is done. But Marvel and DC may have some good stuff coming this year with Black Widow, Wonder Woman 1984 and The New Mutants, also I can't wait for Ghoastbusters 3. I'm just going to try to forget the last 3 STAR WARS flicks ever happened. This will likely be my last post here so I'll end it with...Fuck you Disney! I hope Mickey gives Minnie herpes!

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Tuesday, January 7, 2020 5:14 PM

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I never saw the first Dr. Strange, but I'm actually looking forward to the sequel which is supposed to be a Lovecraftian horror movie. We'll see how true that is.


I've heard people calling Jar Jar's production company "Bad Reboot".

I think it fits.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2020 5:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Double post.

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Saturday, January 11, 2020 10:01 AM

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Jon Boyega reks Reylo trolls



I specifically chose this video because she's not one I've heard of before and, imo, not exactly an A level YouTuber. She's a fan. Random as they come, no pun meant, but the quality isn't nearly as polished or well crafted as most of the stuff I watch.
Orange hair and riding crop? Yeah, she's hardly a ' normie ', now is she? Never to be confused with Jenna Nicholson or Anna, That Star Wars Girl.

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Saturday, January 11, 2020 11:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Ooof...

Star Wars pulls in less on it's 4th Friday night than it did on cheap ticket Tuesday. ($3,920,000 - Projected vs. $3,981,109 on Tuesday)

Yes. It just got embarrassed by Joker.

Joker's 4th Friday take was $5,500,308.

It might not even crack a billion bucks after it's fourth weekend. That will be hilarious.

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 9:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Numbers still aren't in for Saturday night...

What do you guys and gals think? 6 Million? Is that too high? I want to say 5.5, but maybe it will surprise us. I'll say 5.0 to 6.5 million for Saturday night would be where the safe money is.

I'll just stick with 5.5 and see if today's a lucky day for me. Maybe I'll play the lotto if I'm right. (I won't play the lotto if I'm right).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, January 12, 2020 3:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Guess no lotto for me if estimates are correct. Now they've also got tonight's predictions up as well, before anybody has even gone to the shows.

Almost 6.8 Million projected last night, with another 4.4 predicted for tonight. No historical data on previous Star Wars movies should suggest a haul that high for a Sunday night compared to Friday, but there it is. At the same time, though, if the projected numbers are correct this weekend is pretty strange since there were massive percentage increases on both Friday and Saturday compared to all three previous weekends. This might be explained by kids going to see the movie on the weekend now because they're back in school.

It will likely eek out a Billion after those numbers are squared up and the international numbers are reported, but just barely, and it looks as though the days of this flick exceeding the "legs" expectations are done as of this weekend as well.


We still get to laugh at the comparison to Joker's numbers though...

Episode 8's 4th weekend Friday/Saturday/Sunday numbers:

$3,920,000
$6,771,000
$4,368,000

Joker's 4th weekend Friday/Saturday/Sunday numbers:

$5,500,308
$8,186,141
$5,561,586


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 10:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Hmmmmmmm...

Maybe it won't hit a billion after all?

I called out Geeks and Gamers for saying that it didn't and using the-numbers as a source, because they weren't correctly reading the International tab and looking at the last date the numbers for individual countries was being reported. I don't dislike that channel. I just don't want them to falsely report things and get called on it by other people who do.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Wars-The-Rise-of-Skywalker-(201
9)#tab=international


If you look in the "Box Office Summary Per Territory", you can see on the right column that it gives the last reported date.

But I'm actually surprised it's still nearly 11 Million short given how many of them have reported on Monday the 13th.



Now...

There's no way that we could tell if somebody was fudging the numbers here to make the Billion over the weekend happen even if it didn't, especially since it's so close. The US Box Office numbers for the weekend are still off color, which historically seems to mean that they still aren't finalized. This number could go down, I suppose, but it always seems to go up when it's set in stone. Also, there's still 14 countries yet to report updated numbers for the weekend, even though none of them have box office totals over $5 Million so far and aren't likely to tip it over 1 Billion on their own.

But the countries that aren't shown in the breakdown at all account for over $80 Million in the box office totals. That's a lot of wiggle room right there to just add 11 Million on the sly and get it over the hump, with virtually no way for anybody to fact check it.

I actually trust the-numbers.com, at least for now without any reason not to. I'm not suggesting that they'd have a hand in this. They really wouldn't need to do anything other than add data given to them that seems legit here. There's really no reason not to believe that the unnamed/unaccounted territories themselves would add a measly 11 Million to the total once tallied.



Just a friendly warning to the youtubers out there that are generally good. Do a little more research before making proclamations about things. Some fans are going to be fans because you're just telling them what you want to hear, but I suspect that a great deal more are fans because of your integrity. Don't lose those fans due to lazy reporting or using clickbait thumbnails that are based on incorrect information.


My call is that Episode 8 did in fact reach 1 Billion worldwide over the weekend... just barely. And even if I wanted to do research to debunk that, I don't think there is any possible way to do that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Odd...

I would think that Disney would be on the asses of those other countries who haven't reported their weekend numbers to get the total up over a billion by now. It's nearing Tuesday night and all 14 listed countries that hadn't reported earlier in the day still have not reported their weekend numbers. The non-listed collection of other countries listed as "rest of world" still haven't moved from slightly over $80 Million either.


To further complicate things, the US has now already reported Monday's take, while solidifying the US numbers on the weekend de-complicates things at the same time.

Friday: $3,892,246
Saturday: $6,769,352
Sunday: $4,525,436
Monday: $1,153,399

Those solidified numbers are close to what the projections were, and although to my surprise the Friday numbers were lower than projected, the small gains above the projections for Saturday and Sunday more than made up for Friday.

Projections:
Friday: $3,920,000
Saturday: $6,771,000
Sunday: $4,368,000



So... At a current worldwide take of $990,831,123, we have to discount $1,153,399 from that number when figuring if Episode 8 actually hit a Billion after it's 4th weekend. This might be impossible at this stage to actually figure though, because other countries might post numbers after the weekend before the ones who haven't even reported the weekend numbers yet. Infinitely more impossible if that occurs with the "rest of world" countries who don't have any financials listed.


I guess at this point the answer to the question "Did Episode 8 Break a Billion Dollars After Four Weekends?" might forever be shrouded in mystery.








But in other related news...

Joker continues to embarrass Episode 8.

Joker's 4th Monday: 1,768,872
Episode 8's 4th Monday: $1,153,399

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 6:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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This took a bit of work, but now with a template down it should be easier to add if I feel like making a bigger joke of Episode 8 than it's already made of itself.

Here we have a day by day comparison of Joker and Episode 8, including total gross per day, the date of that day for each respective movie, total amount of theaters and total gross per theater per day.


KEY:
B.O DAYS = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

TROSw = The Rise of Skywalker



B.O. DAYS -- MOVIE / DATE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T / MOVIE / DATE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T
1st Friday - JOKER Oct 04 $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / TROSw Dec 20 $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
1st Saturd - JOKER Oct 05 $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / TROSw Dec 21 $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
1st Sunday - JOKER Oct 06 $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / TROSw Dec 22 $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
1st Monday - JOKER Oct 07 $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / TROSw Dec 23 $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
1st Tuesda - JOKER Oct 08 $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / TROSw Dec 24 $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
1st Wednes - JOKER Oct 09 $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / TROSw Dec 25 $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
1st Thursd - JOKER Oct 10 $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / TROSw Dec 26 $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942
2nd Friday - JOKER Oct 11 $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / TROSw Dec 27 $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
2nd Saturd - JOKER Oct 12 $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / TROSw Dec 28 $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
2nd Sunday - JOKER Oct 13 $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / TROSw Dec 29 $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
2nd Monday - JOKER Oct 14 $ 8,345,763 4,374 $1,908 / TROSw Dec 30 $15,302,130 4,406 $3,473
2nd Tuesda - JOKER Oct 15 $ 6,973,525 4,374 $1,594 / TROSw Dec 31 $13,217,698 4,406 $3,000
2nd Wednes - JOKER Oct 16 $ 4,910,895 4,374 $1,123 / TROSw Jan 01 $17,076,472 4,406 $3,876
2nd Thursd - JOKER Oct 17 $ 4,203,631 4,374 $__961 / TROSw Jan 02 $ 9,274,735 4,406 $2,105
3rd Friday - JOKER Oct 18 $ 8,584,376 4,090 $2,099 / TROSw Jan 03 $11,038,440 4,406 $2,505
3rd Saturd - JOKER Oct 19 $12,441,546 4,090 $3,042 / TROSw Jan 04 $14,319,903 4,406 $3,250
3rd Sunday - JOKER Oct 20 $ 8,225,918 4,090 $2,011 / TROSw Jan 05 $ 9,166,472 4,406 $2,080
3rd Monday - JOKER Oct 21 $ 2,742,836 4,090 $__671 / TROSw Jan 06 $ 2,978,242 4,406 $__676
3rd Tuesda - JOKER Oct 22 $ 3,801,598 4,090 $__929 / TROSw Jan 07 $ 3,981,109 4,406 $__904
3rd Wednes - JOKER Oct 23 $ 2,450,143 4,090 $__599 / TROSw Jan 08 $ 2,403,487 4,406 $__546
3rd Thursd - JOKER Oct 24 $ 2,413,101 4,090 $__590 / TROSw Jan 09 $ 2,165,596 4,406 $__492
4th Friday - JOKER Oct 25 $ 5,500,308 3,936 $1,397 / TROSw Jan 10 $ 3,892,246 4,279 $__910
4th Saturd - JOKER Oct 26 $ 8,186,141 3,936 $2,080 / TROSw Jan 11 $ 6,769,352 4,279 $1,582
4th Sunday - JOKER Oct 27 $ 5,561,586 3,936 $1,413 / TROSw Jan 12 $ 4,525,436 4,279 $1,058
4th Monday - JOKER Oct 28 $ 1,768,872 3,936 $__449 / TROSw Jan 13 $ 1,153,399 4,279 $__270




I'm wondering if WB just doesn't have the might that Disney has when it comes to dictating how many theaters are showing the movie in the states. It is possible that these theaters are choosing to show Episode 8 in more theaters than they did Joker for several reasons, namely that Joker was an R rated flick. Who can say? But the numbers show that not only has Episode 8 been shown in more theaters every single day of its release compared to Joker, but the number of theaters weren't cut down for Episode 8 until Week Four, where the number of theaters showing Joker were cut in Week Three as well as Week Four.

Because of this, as you can see, during Week Three, Joker actually started grossing more per theater than Episode 8 did on the 3rd Tuesday... one day before Joker started making more money per day in the US Box Office as a whole.

Whether it was the theaters themselves that chose how many screens to show it on, or a Directive in the contracts from Disney, the fact that they only cut it down by 137 theaters in Week Four seems to be a pretty big mistake, given that R Rated Joker has made more money per theater per day for Seven straight days, and if Monday's numbers and the steep downward trajectory in Episode 8's performance are any indication of the future, Joker was making nearly double per theater per day than Episode 8 is during the weekdays in Week Four.


I really hope that Episode 8 ends up getting a longer run in theaters than Joker did because of contractual obligations. It will be funny to see a few weeks of Episode 8 showings making low double digits per theater per day if they're forced to keep showing it.

Could we possibly see single digits if they keep it in the theaters long enough?








EDITED TO ADD:

For my own purposes if I choose to do these comparisons in the future, I may choose to keep the dates columns just to make it easier on myself making these graphs, but because you can't do a fraction of a font size number and "2" makes the lines bleed over, I'm going to remove the dates and use the larger font size to make them more readable. The dates are easy enough to compare to the graphs at the-numbers.com if anybody is really interested in them, but they're probably superfluous for these graphs.


B.O. DAYS -- MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T / MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T
1st Friday - JOKER $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / TROSw $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
1st Saturd - JOKER $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / TROSw $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
1st Sunday - JOKER $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / TROSw $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
1st Monday - JOKER $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / TROSw $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
1st Tuesda - JOKER $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / TROSw $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
1st Wednes - JOKER $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / TROSw $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
1st Thursd - JOKER $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / TROSw $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942
2nd Friday - JOKER $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / TROSw $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
2nd Saturd - JOKER $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / TROSw $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
2nd Sunday - JOKER $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / TROSw $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
2nd Monday - JOKER $ 8,345,763 4,374 $1,908 / TROSw $15,302,130 4,406 $3,473
2nd Tuesda - JOKER $ 6,973,525 4,374 $1,594 / TROSw $13,217,698 4,406 $3,000
2nd Wednes - JOKER $ 4,910,895 4,374 $1,123 / TROSw $17,076,472 4,406 $3,876
2nd Thursd - JOKER $ 4,203,631 4,374 $__961 / TROSw $ 9,274,735 4,406 $2,105
3rd Friday - JOKER $ 8,584,376 4,090 $2,099 / TROSw $11,038,440 4,406 $2,505
3rd Saturd - JOKER $12,441,546 4,090 $3,042 / TROSw $14,319,903 4,406 $3,250
3rd Sunday - JOKER $ 8,225,918 4,090 $2,011 / TROSw $ 9,166,472 4,406 $2,080
3rd Monday - JOKER $ 2,742,836 4,090 $__671 / TROSw $ 2,978,242 4,406 $__676
3rd Tuesda - JOKER $ 3,801,598 4,090 $__929 / TROSw $ 3,981,109 4,406 $__904
3rd Wednes - JOKER $ 2,450,143 4,090 $__599 / TROSw $ 2,403,487 4,406 $__546
3rd Thursd - JOKER $ 2,413,101 4,090 $__590 / TROSw $ 2,165,596 4,406 $__492
4th Friday - JOKER $ 5,500,308 3,936 $1,397 / TROSw $ 3,892,246 4,279 $__910
4th Saturd - JOKER $ 8,186,141 3,936 $2,080 / TROSw $ 6,769,352 4,279 $1,582
4th Sunday - JOKER $ 5,561,586 3,936 $1,413 / TROSw $ 4,525,436 4,279 $1,058
4th Monday - JOKER $ 1,768,872 3,936 $__449 / TROSw $ 1,153,399 4,279 $__270



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Thursday, January 16, 2020 7:01 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


How Colin Trevorrow’s "Duel of Fates" Star Wars 9 draft fixes "Rise of Skywalker"’s biggest problems

In the alternate version, Palpatine is poised as an ethereal threat, the former Emperor corrupting Kylo with words rather than being bafflingly resurrected. A villain pulling the strings from beyond the grave is far scarier than one coming back from the dead to play puppet-master; a shade of subtlety that is sorely lacking from "The Rise of Skywalker".

More importantly, the sequel trilogy’s characters get room to forge their own paths in "Duel of Fates" instead of having to endlessly deal with what came before. Kylo ignores Force Ghost Luke’s cries to return to the Light, and finally embraces his own mantra from The Last Jedi: “Let the past die, kill it if you have to.” In contrast, Palpatine becomes all-consuming in "The Rise of Skywalker", and various secondary plots and characters melt away as the Emperor becomes the focus. Even the sequel trilogy’s big mystery – the identity of Rey’s parents – becoming inexplicably tied to Palpatine.

The structure also feels vastly improved. Gone is the Sith planet of Exegol, sign-posted as the finale’s destination 10 minutes into "Rise of Skywalker". In its place, a series of classic Star Wars set-pieces, including BB-8 hijacking a Star Destroyer and Chewie riding an X-Wing. A series of daring escapades and suicide missions feels far more exciting than the paint-by-numbers MacGuffin chase we did get.

More at www.gamesradar.com/star-wars-leak-duel-of-the-fates-colin-trevorrow-j-
j-abrams
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, January 16, 2020 6:15 PM

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Bah... nobody cares.

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Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



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Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Yeah... Like I thought...

We're over a billion as of yesterday with a slight uptick today, but even though a lot of countries are now reporting for the 15th, we still have many that haven't reported since the 10th or even before that date.


The current total is $1,001,947,706, but that includes over $4 Million from the US Box office Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday night and can't be included for the weekend numbers. And now that there are 15 of the top countries reporting new numbers from the 15th and the 16th, it would be impossible to figure out if it actually hit a billion over the weekend or not.



I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt here, but I'm beginning to think that it did not. Even though there are quite a few top countries that still haven't reported numbers since the 10th or earlier, including Russia, Netherlands, New Zealand and Hong Kong which combined account for $10-$11 Million gross total so far, all of the top 10 countries on the graph in the international tab have not only given numbers for the weekend, but they've also added the 14th on there as well since the reports are up to date as of the 15th.

Not only would the countries who have not reported have to make up the $2+ Million shy the movie is from a Billion if you discount Monday through Wednesday in the US, but you'd also have to discount any Box Office numbers of foreign countries after Sunday night as well, including Monday and Tuesday nights take in the top 10 performing foreign countries.

Looks like we're safe to laugh at Disney's expense on this one. I sure won't hold it against you.





Oh... and I'm not going to bother updating the graph for just two days, but it looks as though Joker's spanking of Episode 8 in their respective Fourth weeks is the new norm in both overall box office numbers and per theater averages.

In fact, Episode 8's Fourth Week numbers are looking much more comparable to Joker's 5th week numbers.

Could we actually see it fall a full week or more behind Joker next week? I'm betting on yes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 17, 2020 9:05 AM

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FIRST THROUGH FOURTH WEEK BREAKDOWN VS. JOKER:


KEY:
B.O DAYS = Day of the week / which week by number
T # = Number of theaters shown
GrP T = Gross per theater

TROSw = The Rise of Skywalker


B.O. DAYS -- MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T / MOVIE / GROSS ---/ T # / GrP T

WEEK 1:
____________________________________________________________________________

1st Friday - JOKER $39,350,693 4,374 $8,997 / TROSw $89,615,288 4,406 $20339
1st Saturd - JOKER $32,476,803 4,374 $7,425 / TROSw $47,467,565 4,406 $10773
1st Sunday - JOKER $24,374,841 4,374 $5,573 / TROSw $40,301,011 4,406 $9,147
1st Monday - JOKER $ 9,702,049 4,374 $2,218 / TROSw $29,389,847 4,406 $6,670
1st Tuesda - JOKER $13,908,626 4,374 $3,180 / TROSw $20,270,474 4,406 $4,601
1st Wednes - JOKER $ 9,611,712 4,374 $2,197 / TROSw $32,165,681 4,406 $7,300
1st Thursd - JOKER $ 8,304,063 4,374 $1,899 / TROSw $30,586,950 4,406 $6,942

WEEK 2:
____________________________________________________________________________

2nd Friday - JOKER $16,906,386 4,374 $3,865 / TROSw $26,069,973 4,406 $5,917
2nd Saturd - JOKER $22,137,778 4,374 $5,061 / TROSw $25,075,535 4,406 $5,691
2nd Sunday - JOKER $16,817,239 4,374 $3,845 / TROSw $21,244,082 4,406 $4,822
2nd Monday - JOKER $ 8,345,763 4,374 $1,908 / TROSw $15,302,130 4,406 $3,473
2nd Tuesda - JOKER $ 6,973,525 4,374 $1,594 / TROSw $13,217,698 4,406 $3,000
2nd Wednes - JOKER $ 4,910,895 4,374 $1,123 / TROSw $17,076,472 4,406 $3,876
2nd Thursd - JOKER $ 4,203,631 4,374 $__961 / TROSw $ 9,274,735 4,406 $2,105

WEEK 3:
____________________________________________________________________________

3rd Friday - JOKER $ 8,584,376 4,090 $2,099 / TROSw $11,038,440 4,406 $2,505
3rd Saturd - JOKER $12,441,546 4,090 $3,042 / TROSw $14,319,903 4,406 $3,250
3rd Sunday - JOKER $ 8,225,918 4,090 $2,011 / TROSw $ 9,166,472 4,406 $2,080
3rd Monday - JOKER $ 2,742,836 4,090 $__671 / TROSw $ 2,978,242 4,406 $__676
3rd Tuesda - JOKER $ 3,801,598 4,090 $__929 / TROSw $ 3,981,109 4,406 $__904
3rd Wednes - JOKER $ 2,450,143 4,090 $__599 / TROSw $ 2,403,487 4,406 $__546
3rd Thursd - JOKER $ 2,413,101 4,090 $__590 / TROSw $ 2,165,596 4,406 $__492

WEEK 4:
____________________________________________________________________________

4th Friday - JOKER $ 5,500,308 3,936 $1,397 / TROSw $ 3,892,246 4,279 $__910
4th Saturd - JOKER $ 8,186,141 3,936 $2,080 / TROSw $ 6,769,352 4,279 $1,582
4th Sunday - JOKER $ 5,561,586 3,936 $1,413 / TROSw $ 4,525,436 4,279 $1,058
4th Monday - JOKER $ 1,768,872 3,936 $__449 / TROSw $ 1,153,399 4,279 $__270
4th Tuesda - JOKER $ 2,468,414 3,936 $__627 / TROSw $ 1,856,300 4,279 $__434
4th Wednes - JOKER $ 1,631,209 3,936 $__414 / TROSw $ 1,261,857 4,279 $__295
4th Thursd - JOKER $ 1,886,940 3,936 $__479 / TROSw $ 1,076,521 4,279 $__252
____________________________________________________________________________

Ouch... almost dipped under a million last night.

SPOILER ALERT: Joker made more than that on it's 5th Thursday when it made $1,089,813. We're already a week behind.

It is expected to make only $10 Million this weekend, which will more than ensure Episode 8 continues it's nine straight day losing streak to Joker.

According to the-numbers, Skywalker is going to lose a TON of theaters this weekend, and be stripped from 4,279 down to only 3,058! And it's expected that Jumanji will probably beat it and put Episode 8 in 5th place because it will benefit from a few hundred more theaters.

Just one more way that Joker is spanking Episode 8... Joker's Fifth Week had 3,519 theaters. I honestly wasn't expecting that.

Despite the massive theater cuts of nearly 25%, I don't see much chance that Episode 8 will eclipse the per-theater average of Joker, even with nearly 500 less theaters showing it, although there is a very slim chance it may post higher per-theater numbers Saturday and/or Sunday night if the weekend numbers don't fall as hard from last weekend as expected, but it's extremely doubtful. (If the $10M weekend projection is true, it will lose by $243 per theater on Friday, $235 per theater on Saturday, and $82 per theater on Sunday... if the $10M were dispersed by day the exact same ratio that they were last weekend).

Regardless... I'm calling it right now that there will never be another day where the total box office numbers for the day beat Joker's respective numbers.


Good times!

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Saturday, January 18, 2020 11:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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OOOF...

Though the Skywalker page itself hasn't been updated yet, there are some preliminary predictions on select movies already. It looks as though Episode 8 might not have even cracked $2 Million on Friday night.

https://www.the-numbers.com/daily-box-office-chart

(3) - Star Wars: The Rise of Sk… - $1,978,000 - 3,058 theaters - $647 per theater.

Two things to note:

1. Although it's showing currently that TROSw was number three at the BO last night, that almost certainly won't be the case when all the numbers are in. Jumanji isn't even up on the board yet. We'll have to wait and see if it loses to Jumanji or not.

2. $647 per theater on Friday is pretty damning. That would mean it lost to Joker's same Friday per theater take by a whopping $437 despite being shown at roughly 500 less theaters last night, and the total of $1,978,000 for the night leaves fairly little chance that it will meet the $10M weekend B.O. expectations. It is also barely half of what Joker made on it's 5th Friday ($3,810,641).


Too early to tell, I suppose, but the-numbers usually isn't very far off the mark when they put any numbers on their page.

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Saturday, January 18, 2020 11:15 AM

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Well... This just in...

Seems everything has been updated while I was writing that post.

https://www.the-numbers.com/daily-box-office-chart


Jumanji's Sixth Friday estimated take: $2,175,000
Episode 8's Fifth Friday estimated take: $1,978,000

And just for fun:
Joker's Fifth Friday confirmed take: $3,810,641
Joker's Sixth Friday confirmed take: $2,527,562

Yup... It took one week longer, but it seems that Joker is beating Jumanji in the Sixth Week as well.



Unless there were some other movies that could possibly be in the top five, that puts Episode 8 in 5th place under Bad Boys For Life, Dolittle, 1917 and Jumanji.

Stick a fork in this turd.


Side note: I'm personally glad that in 2020 we've evolved to the point where we could resist the temptation to call it Bad Boys 4 Life.




EDITED TO ADD: Whoops. Joker actually beat Jumanji's 5th Friday as well ($3,346,991), although it did lose to Jumanji in the 5th Saturday and 5th Sunday by a little. Joker did beat Jumanji handily every day since Monday through the rest of it's 5th week and looking at last night's numbers it's probably safe to assume that Jumanji will not ever beat Joker's per day B.O. numbers from here on out either.



EDIT on Side Note: I think I gave them too much credit. Bad Boys 4 is in the works. I bet somebody really, REALLY wanted to call this Bad Boys 4 Life, but knowing they were already planning the fourth sequel they were probably learning from Nintendo's mistake and trying to avoid the Wii/Wii U confusion that killed their sales.

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Saturday, January 18, 2020 12:51 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... This just in...

Seems everything has been updated while I was writing that post.

https://www.the-numbers.com/daily-box-office-chart


Jumanji's Sixth Friday estimated take: $2,175,000
Episode 8's Fifth Friday estimated take: $1,978,000

And just for fun:
Joker's Fifth Friday confirmed take: $3,810,641
Joker's Sixth Friday confirmed take: $2,527,562

Yup... It took one week longer, but it seems that Joker is beating Jumanji in the Sixth Week as well.



Unless there were some other movies that could possibly be in the top five, that puts Episode 8 in 5th place under Bad Boys For Life, Dolittle, 1917 and Jumanji.

Stick a fork in this turd.


Side note: I'm personally glad that in 2020 we've evolved to the point where we could resist the temptation to call it Bad Boys 4 Life.




EDITED TO ADD: Whoops. Joker actually beat Jumanji's 5th Friday as well ($3,346,991), although it did lose to Jumanji in the 5th Saturday and 5th Sunday by a little. Joker did beat Jumanji handily every day since Monday through the rest of it's 5th week and looking at last night's numbers it's probably safe to assume that Jumanji will not ever beat Joker's per day B.O. numbers from here on out either.



EDIT on Side Note: I think I gave them too much credit. Bad Boys 4 is in the works. I bet somebody really, REALLY wanted to call this Bad Boys 4 Life, but knowing they were already planning the fourth sequel they were probably learning from Nintendo's mistake and trying to avoid the Wii/Wii U confusion that killed their sales.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



"Bad Boys for Life" has been getting good reviews, not great but good. So lets forget that big mistake Disney made last Christmas and enjoy what looks like some great flicks coming out THIS year...except "Doolittle", stay the fuck away from that. I guess ole' Rob thought people would go see him in anything, WRONG! Jim Carrey made that mistake.

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Saturday, January 18, 2020 3:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
"Bad Boys for Life" has been getting good reviews, not great but good. So lets forget that big mistake Disney made last Christmas and enjoy what looks like some great flicks coming out THIS year...except "Doolittle", stay the fuck away from that. I guess ole' Rob thought people would go see him in anything, WRONG! Jim Carrey made that mistake.



I'm sure it's entertaining. Martin Lawrence IMO is the funniest black dude alive. Black Knight hype!



Maybe he's just the remedy to resurrect Will Smith's dying career. I didn't even know a new Bad Boys was a thing until now... I might actually be inclined to watch that one.


In the mean time, I'll be posting about Disney losing their ass on this turd. I'm loving every second of it, and quite enjoying putting together the graph showing Joker beating the shit out of it on the reg.

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Sunday, January 19, 2020 7:46 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'll be posting about Disney losing their ass on this turd. I'm loving every second of it, and quite enjoying putting together the graph showing Joker beating the shit out of it on the reg.

Why not laugh at Universal Pictures, the same company that made Serenity, for making 1917 in 2019? 1917 cost $100,000,000 but has ticket sales of only $82,000,000 so far.

While you are laughing, go right ahead and direct more of your contempt at Universal because Serenity, with a budget of $39 million, only had a box office of $39 million. I loved it despite it performing like a far below average genre picture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_(2019_film)
www.the-numbers.com/movie/1917-(2019)#tab=box-office



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:26 AM

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I've already given Universal their due shit for Serenity.

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Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:49 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've already given Universal their due shit for Serenity.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

As a business decision, Serenity lost money for Universal Pictures. Maybe Universal shouldn't even have made it. As a business decision, Episode 9 makes money for Disney. It would have been an even better business decision for Disney to have made a movie that didn't stink, since it probably would sell more tickets, but Disney would have had to throw away a train wreck of a screenplay and write a better one rather than going full throttle to finish Episode 9 in two years. The idea of having J.J. Abrams both write and direct Episode 9 didn't work too well as far as ticket sales, but it worked better than on Serenity with writer/director Joss Whedon. You know there are two versions of the Serenity script. The longer one is the better story. Joss hacked out pages to cut the 190 page version down to 2 hours and it shows. Maybe Tim Minear should have wrote it, since he wrote the best episodes of Firefly.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:20 AM

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I agree. They shouldn't have made Serenity.

I've had long discussions here in the past about why that movie was terrible. It's not that it wasn't enjoyable and/or great to see them all again, but it was terrible because of all of the stories that could have been told that weren't because they had to rush and wrap 10 seasons worth of potentiality in a 2 hour bow.

Sadly, Firefly just came out at the wrong time. Had Netflix been making TV shows and been around 10 years earlier, it almost surely would have gotten a second life like Arrested Development did.



It's extremely arguable that Disney is making any money off of Episode 9. The production budget we're being told doesn't take into account the reshoots and all of the editing in the 11th hour. It also doesn't account for the insane marketing budget either. Toy sales are almost non-existant as well, which is not something Disney would have banked on in a million years when they paid out 4+ Billion for Lucasfilm. But they figured it out pretty quick when they had to send millions of dollars to the recycle plants to be cubed. Some even say that the final nail in Toys R Us's coffin was bad sales numbers on Star Wars toys.

Disney is still quite a bit in the hole on that purchase, and there's no way that they would have believed that would be the case in 2020 when they bought it.

The Force Awakens made $2,068,223,624 in the box office.
The Last Jedi made $1,332,539,889.

At only $1,005,002,227 with a thousand theaters slashed and ticket sales slowing almost to a dead stop, Episode 9 is going to be lucky if it even reaches $1.05 Million... about half of what Episode 7 made.


They've realized their mistake, and that's obvious because of such a huge shift that Disney has made regarding the future of the franchise. It wasn't franchise fatigue that killed Star Wars. It was bad story telling and the woke agenda.

They'll eventually make their $4 Billion investment back and keep it a relatively marketable property for probably generations to come, but it's just a mediocre property now. The excitement is gone. Nobody cares. And a quick look at the box office shows that sentiment is worldwide... not just in the US.

They thought they were buying into another Marvel Universe type scenario. They probably actually were, before they devalued it with their choices.


We'll see what happens with the new phase in Marvel movies. I'm not really hopeful that they learned their Star Wars lesson and we're going to see phase two take a shit as well.

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Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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This just in...

Estimates for Episode 9 for Weekend Five are even lower than expected...

EPISODE 9 WEEKEND 5:
Jan 17, 2020 $1,978,000 - $647 per theater.
Jan 18, 2020 $3,534,000 - $1,156 per theater.
Jan 19, 2020 $2,862,000 - $936 per theater.

Not quite $10 Million, is it?


Although it lost on Sunday, Joker's Weekend Six beat Episode 9 on both Friday and Saturday and for the total weekend BO, as well as per-theater averages.

JOKER WEEKEND 6:
Nov 8, 2019 $2,527,562 - $901 per theater.
Nov 9, 2019 $3,931,139 - $1,401 per theater.
Nov 10, 2019 $2,762,602 - $985 per theater.



Everybody should also keep in mind that Joker was rated R. I'm sure that's the only reason why it didn't perform better than Episode 9's 5th Sunday on it's 6th Sunday.

If Star Wars still didn't have what was left of it's dwindling fan base and/or people who saw it in the first two weeks out of morbid curiosity, Joker likely would have beat it in the box office. The numbers we're seeing now after the massive amounts of cash Disney raked in during the first two weekends is an anomaly. By all rights, this movie shouldn't have even grossed more than $850 Million internationally. If it didn't have Star Wars in the title it wouldn't have.


Week 5 should be fun to graph and laugh.

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Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I agree. They shouldn't have made Serenity.

I've had long discussions here in the past about why that movie was terrible. It's not that it wasn't enjoyable and/or great to see them all again, but it was terrible because of all of the stories that could have been told that weren't because they had to rush and wrap 10 seasons worth of potentiality in a 2 hour bow.

Sadly, Firefly just came out at the wrong time. Had Netflix been making TV shows and been around 10 years earlier, it almost surely would have gotten a second life like Arrested Development did.

I don't know that Joss Whedon had enough ideas to stretch Firefly to 84 episodes like Arrested Development. If Joss did have the ideas, he should have written them down and shared a copy of them with the comic book writers. They seem to be struggling to get a second Unification War started, the 'Verse's WWII, with Mal playing Winston Churchill and I don't know who plays Hitler.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:51 AM

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I'm not a big comic guy... I've never read or even seen any of them. Are they any good?


BTW... something I talked about years ago was the potential of the Firefly Universe. Two of my favorite sci-fi books could easily have been about different times before and/or during the events that lead up to the show and even while the show was occurring.

The Legacy of Heorot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legacy_of_Heorot

The Great Explosion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Explosion


The idea of space being a frontier is infinitely interesting.

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