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The Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes Failure Thread

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Thursday, May 9, 2024 3:14 PM

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$165 Million Production Budget. It needs $412.5 Million to break even.

https://screenrant.com/kingdom-planet-apes-budget-box-office-compariso
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I'm surprised, looking back on recent entries how much these films actually gross worldwide. If it were a good economy, I'd be hesitant to call this a flop even with the high price tag. The 2017 entry just barely made 2.5 times its budget worldwide, but that was at a time where only twice the budget was necessary for breaking even on a big budget movie. Those days are long gone.

I may be premature predicting a flop on this one. We'll have to see how it does this weekend to know for sure.

Eventually we're going to have to have a few successful summer blockbusters to top the 2024 list and knock Chinese cinema out of the top 10. I'm just not convinced that a Planet of the Apes movie is going to be the first one to do it this summer.

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Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:49 PM

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I thought 'Barbie' would do just so-so and 'The Fall Guy' would be a big hit...so I'm going to wait on this one.

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Thursday, May 9, 2024 6:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I thought 'Barbie' would do just so-so and 'The Fall Guy' would be a big hit...so I'm going to wait on this one.



I thought that Barbie would do so-so too. I also thought that Wonka was only going to eek out a minor profit if any at all too. And I was dead wrong on Oppenheimer which made about twice what I thought it ever would.

Can't win 'em all.

I've got pretty much a 100% rate going for 2024 so far though, so I'm bound to get one wrong eventually. This is probably the riskiest prediction I've made so far this year based off of the performance of the last few entries.

This prediction is more based off of the terrible economy and habits we've seen up until this point in the year. Summer time is coming though and people will be seeing more movies regardless of how much they're struggling.

I'll admit it...

It might just be my bias against "Apes" movies motivating my prediction here.


We shall see.

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Thursday, May 9, 2024 6:43 PM

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BoxOfficePro is really slow on their predictions this year. I believe I read something late last year that one of the people responsible for them was either sick or had some other real-life issues that were going to slow those down.

Variety believes it will make $50 Million in the US and another $80-$90 Million international for a worldwide opening of $130-140 Million.

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/box-office-kingdom-of-the-planet-of
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At $130 Million it's 79% of the production budget. At $140 Million it would be 85%.


Not that we can completely rely on last years numbers to predict this years box office behavior, but if anything I'd say that this year things have been pretty much nothing but worse for Hollywood.

That being said, a movie that made around 80% to 90% of its production budget back on opening weekend was about a coin flip for breaking even in 2024. Pretty close to half the movies that grossed in that range on opening weekend ended up making money.


Honestly, I'm breathing a little sigh of relief here after seeing that article. Almost everybody has been overestimating how much an opening weekend would make on the movies released so far this year. But that could work against me too since Variety might be low-balling their predictions on this one after getting so many others wrong.

If it does only $130 Million or less, I think it's already over. If it makes $140 or more though, it might actually make some money if word of mouth is good and it has good legs.

4 years ago this probably would have made over $200 Million on opening weekend, or damn near close to it.

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Friday, May 10, 2024 1:01 PM

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Well it made $6.6 Million on preview Thursday.

Not even close to Dune: Part 2's $12 Million preview night, but more than double that of Fall Guy's $3.1 Million and quite a bit more than Ghostbusters' $4.7 Million. Dune: Part 2 has grossed $708 Million worldwide on Day 70. Ghostbusters and Fall Guy are both flops.

Though I'm sure children's movies behave much differently, Kung Fu Panda only had $3.8 Million in previews but it stands at over $525 Million worldwide right now after 62 days.

Godzilla x Kong opened to $10 Million in previews and now has $548 Million worldwide after 42 days in the box office.


And I have no idea what any of this means in 2024.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Bruce predicts for this one.

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Friday, May 10, 2024 2:20 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Well it made $6.6 Million on preview Thursday.

Not even close to Dune: Part 2's $12 Million preview night, but more than double that of Fall Guy's $3.1 Million and quite a bit more than Ghostbusters' $4.7 Million. Dune: Part 2 has grossed $708 Million worldwide on Day 70. Ghostbusters and Fall Guy are both flops.

Though I'm sure children's movies behave much differently, Kung Fu Panda only had $3.8 Million in previews but it stands at over $525 Million worldwide right now after 62 days.

Godzilla x Kong opened to $10 Million in previews and now has $548 Million worldwide after 42 days in the box office.


And I have no idea what any of this means in 2024.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Bruce predicts for this one.

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Disney is just striping 20th Century Fox for parts now.

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Friday, May 10, 2024 8:31 PM

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The big mystery is why anybody but a moron or a teenager would travel further than their living room and pay more than nothing to see an Ape Movie. Why do people buy expensive tickets, eat overpriced popcorn, and travel great distances to and from home for these movies? How awful does your home have to be to make a trip to the garish movie theater an improvement worth paying for in your living standards?

The Budgets tend to increase and the Box Office tend to decrease with each new Ape movie.

Best bet is that today’s Ape will be a worse business investment than the previous Ape.

Box Office History for Planet of the Apes Movies

Date | Title | Budget | Domestic Box Office
May 10, 2024 Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
Jul 14, 2017 War for the Planet of the Apes $152,000,000 $146,880,162
Jul 11, 2014 Dawn of the Planet of the Apes $170,000,000 $208,545,589
Aug 5, 2011 Rise of the Planet of the Apes $93,000,000 $176,760,185
Jul 27, 2001 Planet of the Apes $100,000,000 $180,011,740

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Planet-of-the-Apes#tab=su
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Saturday, May 11, 2024 2:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The big mystery is why anybody but a moron or a teenager would travel further than their living room and pay more than nothing to see an Ape Movie. Why do people buy expensive tickets, eat overpriced popcorn, and travel great distances to and from home for these movies? How awful does your home have to be to make a trip to the garish movie theater an improvement worth paying for in your living standards?



I know we don't agree on much, but I'm not going to argue you on this one. The only time I ever go to the theater anymore is down by my brother's place in rural America where they have a theater that only has two screens. That place is actually clean, the tickets are cheap, like $6, and if you want pop and a popcorn they only charge you $3 more. Go during the week and there's usually like 12 other people in there, max, and everybody keeps their damn mouth shut during the movie.

Going to the theaters in the Burbs in current year is awful. Floors are sticky, people talk during the movie like they're in their own living room, everything costs a fortune and I just spend the whole movie wondering why I'm even there. It's been over 10 years since I've done that to myself.

Quote:

The Budgets tend to increase and the Box Office tend to decrease with each new Ape movie.

Best bet is that today’s Ape will be a worse business investment than the previous Ape.

Box Office History for Planet of the Apes Movies

Date | Title | Budget | Domestic Box Office
May 10, 2024 Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
Jul 14, 2017 War for the Planet of the Apes $152,000,000 $146,880,162
Jul 11, 2014 Dawn of the Planet of the Apes $170,000,000 $208,545,589
Aug 5, 2011 Rise of the Planet of the Apes $93,000,000 $176,760,185
Jul 27, 2001 Planet of the Apes $100,000,000 $180,011,740

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Planet-of-the-Apes#tab=su
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



That's only the US Box office though. They all made more overseas than they did in the US. That's why I'm not super confident in my prediction that this will be a flop until we see at least the first weekend numbers on Monday.

I'm just surprised at how much money they actually do tend to make worldwide. Personally, I've never seen the appeal with this franchise.

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Saturday, May 11, 2024 8:28 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I know we don't agree on much, but I'm not going to argue you on this one. The only time I ever go to the theater anymore is down by my brother's place in rural America where they have a theater that only has two screens. That place is actually clean, the tickets are cheap, like $6, and if you want pop and a popcorn they only charge you $3 more. Go during the week and there's usually like 12 other people in there, max, and everybody keeps their damn mouth shut during the movie.

Going to the theaters in the Burbs in current year is awful. Floors are sticky, people talk during the movie like they're in their own living room, everything costs a fortune and I just spend the whole movie wondering why I'm even there. It's been over 10 years since I've done that to myself.

Born in 1952, back when I was a child there were predictions that TV would be the death of movie theaters. Drive-in movies did die but for the most part, the prediction didn't happen fast because TV shows were crappy compared to film (Gilligan's Island is a prime example) and color TVs were terrible compared to movie projectors. Jump ahead 60 years, TV show production methods are now as competent as Hollywood and done at a far lower cost, and TV sets are more realistic than movie screens.

I will make a new prediction, almost the same as the old prediction: TV will be the slow death of movie theaters. Disney struggles because the prediction is slowly coming true, not because Disney's politics offends Trumptards and definitely not because Biden is the President "destroying" America who must be stopped at all costs by Trump. So what is killing the movies if it is not Biden and the Democrats? Technology plus free movies on TV only a few weeks after the same movie premieres in theaters will be the slow death of movie theaters.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, May 11, 2024 9:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The big mystery is why anybody but a moron or a teenager would travel further than their living room and pay more than nothing to see an Ape Movie. Why do people buy expensive tickets, eat overpriced popcorn, and travel great distances to and from home for these movies? How awful does your home have to be to make a trip to the garish movie theater an improvement worth paying for in your living standards?

The Budgets tend to increase and the Box Office tend to decrease with each new Ape movie.

Best bet is that today’s Ape will be a worse business investment than the previous Ape.

Box Office History for Planet of the Apes Movies

Date | Title | Budget | Domestic Box Office
May 10, 2024 Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
Jul 14, 2017 War for the Planet of the Apes $152,000,000 $146,880,162
Jul 11, 2014 Dawn of the Planet of the Apes $170,000,000 $208,545,589
Aug 5, 2011 Rise of the Planet of the Apes $93,000,000 $176,760,185
Jul 27, 2001 Planet of the Apes $100,000,000 $180,011,740

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Planet-of-the-Apes#tab=su
mmary


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Many people (including me) want a good reason to get out of the house for a few hours. I'll pay too much for tickets and Snow Caps if the flick isn't a waste of my time. Lately there hasn't been any flicks to get all that excited about. I love Deadpool but it looks like a multiverse parody flick I can wait for on cable, and I didn't much care for the first Joker so I'll wait for Joker 2 to come to cable also.

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Saturday, May 11, 2024 4:27 PM

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Originally posted by whozit:

Many people (including me) want a good reason to get out of the house for a few hours. I'll pay too much for tickets and Snow Caps if the flick isn't a waste of my time. Lately there hasn't been any flicks to get all that excited about. I love Deadpool but it looks like a multiverse parody flick I can wait for on cable, and I didn't much care for the first Joker so I'll wait for Joker 2 to come to cable also.

Another reason why movies are failing: advertisement before the show starts.

My time is worth at least $1 per minute. If the theater can't pay me $15 for the 15 minutes of commercials before the feature starts, I am being cheated by the theater operator. Other movie patrons also feel that commercials are wasting their lives, but they don't express their feeling in money. To avoid being swindled by the crooks running theaters, more and more customers avoid movies.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, May 11, 2024 6:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:

Many people (including me) want a good reason to get out of the house for a few hours. I'll pay too much for tickets and Snow Caps if the flick isn't a waste of my time. Lately there hasn't been any flicks to get all that excited about. I love Deadpool but it looks like a multiverse parody flick I can wait for on cable, and I didn't much care for the first Joker so I'll wait for Joker 2 to come to cable also.

Another reason why movies are failing: advertisement before the show starts.

My time is worth at least $1 per minute. If the theater can't pay me $15 for the 15 minutes of commercials before the feature starts, I am being cheated by the theater operator. Other movie patrons also feel that commercials are wasting their lives, but they don't express their feeling in money. To avoid being swindled by the crooks running theaters, more and more customers avoid movies.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Whozit does bring up a valid point, however. Some people really prefer getting out of the house and sitting in a movie theater to watch a movie. There are benefits to that over watching at home and I completely understand how they outweigh the cons even though I personally don't feel that way.

That is another benefit of the small theaters. I've never seen a commercial for anything in the theater I mentioned, outside of previews for other movies. But I have been to large chain theaters recently enough to remember complaining when I started seeing ads for Coke and other major brand names. I wouldn't doubt if somebody told me you have to sit through Pfizer ads before a movie today.


Hollywood does need to make some big adjustments to survive going forward for sure. Streaming is never going to be the cash cow they were hoping it to be.

Budgets need to be severely trimmed, which honestly shouldn't be a problem, but they're going to have to at least do a little SixSigma now in an industry that apparently has never made any moves before to even attempt doing things efficiently. And this includes the "Hollywood Reporting" too. Whoever has been skimming off the top all this time is going to have to settle for much lesser "scores" going forward if they don't want to get caught.

And big actor budgets also need a major trimming going forward.


They do those things and give people what they want to see I think Hollywood and movie theaters will last for a long time.

And they're motivated right now. They might not be admitting publicly yet, but they are in survival mode. Necessity being the mother of invention, I have no doubt that they'll figure it out now that they realize the potential future they face otherwise.

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Saturday, May 11, 2024 10:19 PM

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Necessity being the mother of invention, I have no doubt that they'll figure it out now that they realize the potential future they face otherwise.

I want the following future for the movie industry. Theaters become rarities like concert halls, which are only open for special occasions such as the Rolling Stones coming to Houston, rather than open seven days per week, 14 hours per day, every week of the year. A future without thousands of theaters would be a great thing for America. Most of Hollywood's talent deserves to be downsized into factory work for the production of cheap ass TV shows rather than movies on the big screen.

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Sunday, May 12, 2024 1:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Necessity being the mother of invention, I have no doubt that they'll figure it out now that they realize the potential future they face otherwise.

I want the following future for the movie industry. Theaters become rarities like concert halls, which are only open for special occasions such as the Rolling Stones coming to Houston, rather than open seven days per week, 14 hours per day, every week of the year. A future without thousands of theaters would be a great thing for America. Most of Hollywood's talent deserves to be downsized into factory work for the production of cheap ass TV shows rather than movies on the big screen.

https://www.nrgpark.com/events/rolling-stones-hackney-diamonds-24/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Why do you want this? I don't understand your particular grotch.

Just last year you were defending Disney and telling me that they didn't make movies like Lightyear for me. Now you want Hollywood to die and for all the theaters to shut down.

Make it make sense.

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Sunday, May 12, 2024 8:41 AM

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Why do you want this? I don't understand your particular grotch.

Just last year you were defending Disney and telling me that they didn't make movies like Lightyear for me. Now you want Hollywood to die and for all the theaters to shut down.

Make it make sense.

Have you heard of vaudeville? A type of entertainment popular chiefly in the US in the early 20th century, featuring a mixture of specialty acts such as burlesque comedy and song and dance. A stage play on a trivial theme with interspersed songs. The actors/dancers/comedians/entertainers/musicians/stagehands who once were the vaudeville workforce are out of business, retired by the spread of Hollywood movies. What goes around, comes around. Hollywood is going the way of vaudeville. And the excessive number of movie theaters are 21st-century versions of vaudeville stages.

Now that I think about it, Lightyear was a piece of forgettable Disney piffle, hard to recall compared to the first Toy Story movie that came out before Disney bought Pixar and homogenized it into Blah Stories. Lightyear has a vending machine joke (future sandwiches are one slice of bread between two slices of meat). All of Lightyear is that sandwich, wet and messy on the outside, dry and tasteless on the inside. It was assembled incorrectly, like future sandwiches from an alternative universe in the multiverse, where everything is not simply sub-optimal, but Disney goes to extra effort to make the cartoon visibly inferior.

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Sunday, May 12, 2024 2:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Why do you want this? I don't understand your particular grotch.

Just last year you were defending Disney and telling me that they didn't make movies like Lightyear for me. Now you want Hollywood to die and for all the theaters to shut down.

Make it make sense.

Have you heard of vaudeville? A type of entertainment popular chiefly in the US in the early 20th century, featuring a mixture of specialty acts such as burlesque comedy and song and dance. A stage play on a trivial theme with interspersed songs. The actors/dancers/comedians/entertainers/musicians/stagehands who once were the vaudeville workforce are out of business, retired by the spread of Hollywood movies. What goes around, comes around. Hollywood is going the way of vaudeville. And the excessive number of movie theaters are 21st-century versions of vaudeville stages.

Now that I think about it, Lightyear was a piece of forgettable Disney piffle, hard to recall compared to the first Toy Story movie that came out before Disney bought Pixar and homogenized it into Blah Stories. Lightyear has a vending machine joke (future sandwiches are one slice of bread between two slices of meat). All of Lightyear is that sandwich, wet and messy on the outside, dry and tasteless on the inside. It was assembled incorrectly, like future sandwiches from an alternative universe in the multiverse, where everything is not simply sub-optimal, but Disney goes to extra effort to make the cartoon visibly inferior.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



I just find it humorous that you came to the same conclusion about Disney 2 years later, after all the Lefty shill sites finally stopped protecting them. You were going around calling anyone who didn't like Lightyear a Nazi, but whatever.

Better late than never, I suppose.

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Sunday, May 12, 2024 5:10 PM

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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Disney has released a hit...wow

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Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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Disney has released a hit...wow



Don't get too ahead of yourself now.

We've got to see what happens outside of the US first, and see how much of a drop it sees on weekend 2 before we really know one way or another.


And yeah... Disney owns it, but they've got to be pretty salty right now that nothing their main Disney Studios has put out has made them any money for years. They gotta watch 20th Century Studios putting out a modest hit here and there in between Avatar movies, while also not ever shitting the bed so hard that they cause any substantial and irredeemable loss.


I can't say with any certainty right now if it really loses money or if it makes a buck. I'm pretty sure that if it ends up losing money it won't be much.

Audience reviews are only 78% at RT and it gets a CinemaScore of "B". Both of those are not good.


This one could really go anywhere from here.


Getting nearly $150 Million on opening weekend if they had a higher than expected international opening will really help its chances out.






.....

Just checked The-Numbers right now and Bruce said this...

Quote:

Internationally, the apes are doing well too, with a total of $72.5 million so far. China leads the way with $11.4 million (steeply down from the $112.4 million earned there by War for the Planet of the Apes). Other notable territories so far are France, $7.1m; Mexico, $6.4m; UK, $4.8m, Korea, $3.2m; Australia, $2.7m; Brazil, $2.6m; Germany, $2.2m; Spain, $2.2m; and Indonesia, with $1.9 million.


I don't know what "so far" means. Maybe it means he got all the internationals this for this weekend and he means so far in the run of the movie. Maybe he means that $72.5 Million has been reported so far for this weekend but he expects more to be reported before he posts those numbers tomorrow.

$72.5 Million brings us back down into $130 Million territory after the real numbers come out higher than the projections. That's less than 80% of the production budget, and if memory serves there were only 2 movies in the Top 100 that came back from poorer openings than that to end up posting a profit.

It will be interesting to see where this one goes.

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Sunday, May 12, 2024 11:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Why do you want this? I don't understand your particular grotch.

Just last year you were defending Disney and telling me that they didn't make movies like Lightyear for me. Now you want Hollywood to die and for all the theaters to shut down.

Make it make sense.

Have you heard of vaudeville? A type of entertainment popular chiefly in the US in the early 20th century, featuring a mixture of specialty acts such as burlesque comedy and song and dance. A stage play on a trivial theme with interspersed songs. The actors/dancers/comedians/entertainers/musicians/stagehands who once were the vaudeville workforce are out of business, retired by the spread of Hollywood movies. What goes around, comes around. Hollywood is going the way of vaudeville. And the excessive number of movie theaters are 21st-century versions of vaudeville stages.

Now that I think about it, Lightyear was a piece of forgettable Disney piffle, hard to recall compared to the first Toy Story movie that came out before Disney bought Pixar and homogenized it into Blah Stories. Lightyear has a vending machine joke (future sandwiches are one slice of bread between two slices of meat). All of Lightyear is that sandwich, wet and messy on the outside, dry and tasteless on the inside. It was assembled incorrectly, like future sandwiches from an alternative universe in the multiverse, where everything is not simply sub-optimal, but Disney goes to extra effort to make the cartoon visibly inferior.

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I just find it humorous that you came to the same conclusion about Disney 2 years later, after all the Lefty shill sites finally stopped protecting them. You were going around calling anyone who didn't like Lightyear a Nazi, but whatever.

Better late than never, I suppose.

Because you misunderstood what I wrote, 6ix, you prove yourself to be almost the stupidest Trumptard I know. I said Lightyear was a poorly structured story and I used an example from Lightyear to say it, the Lightyear joke about a sandwich with meat where the bread is supposed to be and bread where the meat is supposed to be. The Lightyear script pages needed to be rearranged into a different order but a page from the script in isolation was fine, much like the weird Lightyear sandwich joke had all the right ingredients but in the wrong order.

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes is now available for FREE:

https://1337x.to/torrent/6095899/Kingdom-of-the-Planet-of-the-Apes-202
4-1080p-V3-HDTS-X264-COLLECTIVE
/ The final "/" in the URL is necessary to avoid the 404 Not Found error message.

If you know how a BitTorrent works, this hexadecimal number is all you need to download the movie: Info Hash v1: 9b91ae424db6a7b185ba92aeba1103ab5e33c118

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Why do you want this? I don't understand your particular grotch.

Just last year you were defending Disney and telling me that they didn't make movies like Lightyear for me. Now you want Hollywood to die and for all the theaters to shut down.

Make it make sense.

Have you heard of vaudeville? A type of entertainment popular chiefly in the US in the early 20th century, featuring a mixture of specialty acts such as burlesque comedy and song and dance. A stage play on a trivial theme with interspersed songs. The actors/dancers/comedians/entertainers/musicians/stagehands who once were the vaudeville workforce are out of business, retired by the spread of Hollywood movies. What goes around, comes around. Hollywood is going the way of vaudeville. And the excessive number of movie theaters are 21st-century versions of vaudeville stages.

Now that I think about it, Lightyear was a piece of forgettable Disney piffle, hard to recall compared to the first Toy Story movie that came out before Disney bought Pixar and homogenized it into Blah Stories. Lightyear has a vending machine joke (future sandwiches are one slice of bread between two slices of meat). All of Lightyear is that sandwich, wet and messy on the outside, dry and tasteless on the inside. It was assembled incorrectly, like future sandwiches from an alternative universe in the multiverse, where everything is not simply sub-optimal, but Disney goes to extra effort to make the cartoon visibly inferior.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



I just find it humorous that you came to the same conclusion about Disney 2 years later, after all the Lefty shill sites finally stopped protecting them. You were going around calling anyone who didn't like Lightyear a Nazi, but whatever.

Better late than never, I suppose.

Because you misunderstood what I wrote, 6ix, you prove yourself to be almost the stupidest Trumptard I know. I said Lightyear was a poorly structured story and I used an example from Lightyear to say it, the Lightyear joke about a sandwich with meat where the bread is supposed to be and bread where the meat is supposed to be.


I don't give one single shit what your opinion about the movie is today. You called me a Nazi when I said it would fail and why and told me that Disney wasn't making movies for me.

Now the crap you're writing is almost word for word reviews that were made after the movie failed and people in the media complained about it. This didn't even take place until more than a year after it failed. You don't remember being a DisneyBot 2 years ago, repeating everything you were being told to say, but the rest of us remember it.

Keep repeating what we could just read on the lefty sites and you'll continue to be ignored.

If you ever come up with an original thought, let us know.

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I don't give one single shit what your opinion about the movie is today. You called me a Nazi when I said it would fail and why and told me that Disney wasn't making movies for me.

6ix, you complained about Lesbianism and Wokeness in Lightyear because you are crazy, stupid, work-avoiding, tax-cheating, and dishonest, which is exactly like every person I know who voted for Trump, including Trump. (That does not mean that absolutely no Democrats have highly defective personalities, as do Trumptards, causing hardships for themselves. It does mean that I have not yet known a Trumptard who wasn't highly defective, despite trying to disguise themselves as somebody "good", although there might be a "good" and trustworthy person who voted for Trump. I just haven't met one. If I do meet one, it probably means other Trumptards have deceived them into believing in Trump.)

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Jesus Christ.

Keep it in the RWED idiot.

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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Disney has released a hit...wow



Don't get too ahead of yourself now.

We've got to see what happens outside of the US first, and see how much of a drop it sees on weekend 2 before we really know one way or another.


And yeah... Disney owns it, but they've got to be pretty salty right now that nothing their main Disney Studios has put out has made them any money for years. They gotta watch 20th Century Studios putting out a modest hit here and there in between Avatar movies, while also not ever shitting the bed so hard that they cause any substantial and irredeemable loss.


I can't say with any certainty right now if it really loses money or if it makes a buck. I'm pretty sure that if it ends up losing money it won't be much.

Audience reviews are only 78% at RT and it gets a CinemaScore of "B". Both of those are not good.


This one could really go anywhere from here.


Getting nearly $150 Million on opening weekend if they had a higher than expected international opening will really help its chances out.






.....

Just checked The-Numbers right now and Bruce said this...

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Internationally, the apes are doing well too, with a total of $72.5 million so far. China leads the way with $11.4 million (steeply down from the $112.4 million earned there by War for the Planet of the Apes). Other notable territories so far are France, $7.1m; Mexico, $6.4m; UK, $4.8m, Korea, $3.2m; Australia, $2.7m; Brazil, $2.6m; Germany, $2.2m; Spain, $2.2m; and Indonesia, with $1.9 million.


I don't know what "so far" means. Maybe it means he got all the internationals this for this weekend and he means so far in the run of the movie. Maybe he means that $72.5 Million has been reported so far for this weekend but he expects more to be reported before he posts those numbers tomorrow.

$72.5 Million brings us back down into $130 Million territory after the real numbers come out higher than the projections. That's less than 80% of the production budget, and if memory serves there were only 2 movies in the Top 100 that came back from poorer openings than that to end up posting a profit.

It will be interesting to see where this one goes.

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Looks like "So Far" meant that was the international total he was seeing for the weekend. That's not good for Apes.

The weekend's projections are still floating out there, so we don't have actual US figures yet, which I assume will be slightly higher. But with the projections in place it only grossed $129 Million worldwide so far. That's only 78% of the Production Budget.

It's going to need good legs to break even and see a profit.

Definitely not outside of the realm of possibility, but with a CinemaScore of B and an RT audience rating under 80%, it isn't looking great.



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Monday, May 13, 2024 4:42 PM

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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Disney has released a hit...wow



Don't get too ahead of yourself now.

We've got to see what happens outside of the US first, and see how much of a drop it sees on weekend 2 before we really know one way or another.


And yeah... Disney owns it, but they've got to be pretty salty right now that nothing their main Disney Studios has put out has made them any money for years. They gotta watch 20th Century Studios putting out a modest hit here and there in between Avatar movies, while also not ever shitting the bed so hard that they cause any substantial and irredeemable loss.


I can't say with any certainty right now if it really loses money or if it makes a buck. I'm pretty sure that if it ends up losing money it won't be much.

Audience reviews are only 78% at RT and it gets a CinemaScore of "B". Both of those are not good.


This one could really go anywhere from here.


Getting nearly $150 Million on opening weekend if they had a higher than expected international opening will really help its chances out.






.....

Just checked The-Numbers right now and Bruce said this...

Quote:

Internationally, the apes are doing well too, with a total of $72.5 million so far. China leads the way with $11.4 million (steeply down from the $112.4 million earned there by War for the Planet of the Apes). Other notable territories so far are France, $7.1m; Mexico, $6.4m; UK, $4.8m, Korea, $3.2m; Australia, $2.7m; Brazil, $2.6m; Germany, $2.2m; Spain, $2.2m; and Indonesia, with $1.9 million.


I don't know what "so far" means. Maybe it means he got all the internationals this for this weekend and he means so far in the run of the movie. Maybe he means that $72.5 Million has been reported so far for this weekend but he expects more to be reported before he posts those numbers tomorrow.

$72.5 Million brings us back down into $130 Million territory after the real numbers come out higher than the projections. That's less than 80% of the production budget, and if memory serves there were only 2 movies in the Top 100 that came back from poorer openings than that to end up posting a profit.

It will be interesting to see where this one goes.

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This will NOT be a billion $ block buster, those days may be gone

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This will NOT be a billion $ block buster, those days may be gone



Oh... Certainly not. I don't any path to $500 Million for Apes. It only needs $412.5 Million to break even though.

My honest opinion from what I'm seeing right now is that it will either lose a little bit of money or it will make a little bit of money and not make much waves either way. If breaking even were the bullseye, I think they just about hit it here. My guess is that it makes 15% +/- the break even point, or between $350 Million and $475 Million worldwide.

We'll have to see what the first weekend drop is going to be before any real predictions for a final number can be made, but I'm happy with that range and can say with just about 100% confidence it falls within it.



I wouldn't say that Billion Dollar days are gone, but I think all the major studios will have gotten the message loud and clear that the days of that almost being a given on blockbusters are over and that they're really going to have to start justifying those big budgets going forward.

We might get one of them this year. Barbie did almost $1.5 Billion last year and Top Gun: Maverick did the same the year before that. Oh... and The Super Mario Movie did somewhere around $1.35 Billion last year too.


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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.



It did quite a bit better than that with $58,400,788 in the US after the real numbers came in.

I was hesitant to say it would be over $58 Million just because everything has been so wonky this year. Last year while I was tracking movies I would have said it made over $58 Million if the studio projections were $56.5 Million.

So at least in that regard it's behaving like a normal movie in normal times would behave.


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I saw these tonight. It is no surprise when Hollywood loses money. The anomaly is when Hollywood succeeds:

These Are 20 of the Worst Movies of All Time
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/these-are-20-of-the-worst
-movies-of-all-time/ss-BB1jmKGS


23 Of The Worst Movies Ever, According to Rotten Tomatoes
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/23-of-the-worst-movies-ever-acco
rding-to-rotten-tomatoes/ss-BB1lYI7p


20 of the Most Boring Films in History
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/20-of-the-most-boring-films-in-h
istory/ss-BB1l4Gwb


15 Films That Critics Wished Never Existed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/15-films-that-critics-wis
hed-never-existed/ss-AA1mHUwX


The Worst Acting Performances of All Time
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-worst-acting-performances-of
-all-time/ss-BB1jT06o


19 Hollywood Movies That Just Didn’t Make Any Sense
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/reviews/19-hollywood-movies-that-just
-didn-t-make-any-sense/ss-BB1lsEMD


10 Underrated Stephen King Adaptations Everyone Forgets About
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/10-underrated-stephen-king-adapt
ations-everyone-forgets-about/ar-AA1dBK4f


10 Box Office Flops That Were Cinematic Masterpieces
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/10-box-office-flops-that-were-ci
nematic-masterpieces/ss-BB1mjhBY


The Worst Movies of All Time
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-worst-movies-of-all-time/ss-
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Uggghhh...

I can't look at lists like that. If you have a list of 20 of the worst movies of all time, put them all on one page and don't make me click link after link after link to view all of them.

I know why they do it, because it makes them look like they have 20 times more traffic on paper, but I'm not going to play their game.

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Uggghhh...

I can't look at lists like that. If you have a list of 20 of the worst movies of all time, put them all on one page and don't make me click link after link after link to view all of them.

I know why they do it, because it makes them look like they have 20 times more traffic on paper, but I'm not going to play their game.

Are you missing the point that Hollywood has always, starting with silent movies, produced crap?

People went to the silent movies because they were a novelty, but that didn't last. To keep people coming to the theater, Hollywood had a long series of technical improvements, sound then better sound et cetera, that reinvigorated the novelty, but the movies were mostly crap.

There has not been much technical improvement to recent movies, the novelty factor has worn off, and the movies are mostly crappy, as they have always been. The results are lower ticket sales and people watching TV at home instead of traveling great distances and paying high prices for crappy entertainment at the theater.

P.S. Wanna see a silent movie? The pirates are providing Stella Maris (1918)
https://yts.mx/movies/stella-maris-1918
This movie proves that people sure were easy to entertain a hundred years ago. The novelty factor in this movie was Mary Pickford playing two roles. Sometimes Pickford was in the same frame twice because of high-tech magic, the magic that makes Planet of the Apes a novelty.

Only 7 years later, the film was remade in 1925, with Mary Philbin in the title role.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Maris_(1918_film)



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It is a miracle that not all movies are crap. Hollywood never knows which movie will be the next miracle, the next Barbie. Could it be The Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes? Hell no!

The 20 Worst Movies Starring Oscar-Winning Actors
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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 2:23 AM

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Uggghhh...

I can't look at lists like that. If you have a list of 20 of the worst movies of all time, put them all on one page and don't make me click link after link after link to view all of them.

I know why they do it, because it makes them look like they have 20 times more traffic on paper, but I'm not going to play their game.

Are you missing the point that Hollywood has always, starting with silent movies, produced crap?



Yeah. I get the point, dude.

Nothing you're saying here is profound or really even arguable.



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Yeah. I get the point, dude.

Nothing you're saying here is profound or really even arguable.

Are you sure you get it? If you did, you'd stop wasting time estimating profit/loss/critiquing movies that are designed to be wastes of time created to make you poorer and dumber, like any addictive substance.

Hollywood searches for novelty, yet familiarity, to bring in a crowd. So it tries to create predictable franchises, such as Planet of the Apes, but also adds novelty by making the Apes appear to be really talking, not humans disguised as apes, and really being heroic at saving the world, not just Apes goofing around.

Here is another movie combining the familiar (demonic possession. Hollywood has done this thousands of times) with novelty (make it a comedy). It is a dark comedy from Hollywood that will set the box office on fire, by which I mean it will stink or make a vast fortune. Nobody knows which until too late.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/willie-aames-natal
ie-grace-armageddon-road-1235895701
/

Set in Las Vegas in 1976, Armageddon Road follows a hapless ex-con hired by a mob boss to chauffeur his girlfriend for an evening, only to find his passenger dies of a cocaine overdose.

After her body is taken over by one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse, the driver is convinced to take her to what will be Armageddon in the Nevada desert. Opiate Pictures Inc. and Black Moon Media are producing the film that will use miniature sets created by Gary Young (Monarch: Legacy of Monsters, The Predator and Godzilla) to be projected on an LED volume wall the actors will use as a backdrop for their performances.

The desired effect is creating an imaginary world grounded in hyper-reality. "This film combines traditional filmmaking techniques with cutting edge technology, much like the story itself. This is 1976, but seen through a 2024 lens," says Lam in a statement.

Read that last sentence again: This film combines traditional filmmaking techniques with cutting-edge technology, much like the story itself. Hollywood is promising novelty for this film, more than another in a tired old line of thousands of demonic possession films. Hollywood also promises novelty in the most recent Planet of the Apes, but this is the 10th movie in a series, not counting the 14 TV show episodes.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071033/episodes/?season=1&ref_=tt_ep
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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 8:35 AM

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Yeah. I get the point, dude.

Nothing you're saying here is profound or really even arguable.

Are you sure you get it? If you did, you'd stop wasting time estimating profit/loss/critiquing movies that are designed to be wastes of time created to make you poorer and dumber, like any addictive substance.



And I'm sure you're just itching to give away that drug for free as soon as people smarter than you upload it to yts.


Hollywood isn't suffering now from the normal glut of bad movies. They're suffering because they forced your woke agenda into them for the last 10 years and nobody will pay to see it anymore. None of this is helped by the fact that the people you voted for wrecked the economy and nobody is going to choose to pay to see even a good movie if it means that they're not eating one day this week.

Yeah... They make a lot of crap. They're also capable of creating wonderful things. And just because you don't like Hollywood now and stopped defending it because your Legacy Media Masters told you to in 2024, it doesn't mean that Hollywood is not important.

What's been happening to Hollywood is a great barometer of the winds of change blowing. Your time is finished. Democrats and Joe* Biden destroyed everything in the 2020s. It will be interesting to see how things get rebuilt now that all of the Democrat nonsense has fallen sharply out of vogue.

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Yeah. I get the point, dude.

Nothing you're saying here is profound or really even arguable.

Are you sure you get it? If you did, you'd stop wasting time estimating profit/loss/critiquing movies that are designed to be wastes of time created to make you poorer and dumber, like any addictive substance.



And I'm sure you're just itching to give away that drug for free as soon as people smarter than you upload it to yts.


Hollywood isn't suffering now from the normal glut of bad movies. They're suffering because they forced your woke agenda into them for the last 10 years and nobody will pay to see it anymore. None of this is helped by the fact that the people you voted for wrecked the economy and nobody is going to choose to pay to see even a good movie if it means that they're not eating one day this week.

Yeah... They make a lot of crap. They're also capable of creating wonderful things. And just because you don't like Hollywood now and stopped defending it because your Legacy Media Masters told you to in 2024, it doesn't mean that Hollywood is not important.

What's been happening to Hollywood is a great barometer of the winds of change blowing. Your time is finished. Democrats and Joe* Biden destroyed everything in the 2020s. It will be interesting to see how things get rebuilt now that all of the Democrat nonsense has fallen sharply out of vogue.

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6ix, you talk exactly the same as all the Trumptards I know. Could it be that Trump has infected you? Because he talks the same way. What are you gonna do if Trump loses? Keep spreading Trump's infected talking points that he did not lose? That he will be back in 2028 running for President?

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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 1:50 PM

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Before covid the studios would release a bunch of low budget rom-coms and lite comedies in late winter and early spring knowing they'd bomb or if lucky make a few bucks. The sure fire hits were saved for summer and the late year holidays, these would make the big bucks while the crap that lost money early in the year would be forgotten. They'd recoup the money they lost on the crap the released early that year, NOW last year most of the big budget flicks lost money, ALL YEAR! It looks to me that most of the low budget crap is going straight to streaming while what they hope are block busters are going in theaters.

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Yeah. I get the point, dude.

Nothing you're saying here is profound or really even arguable.

Are you sure you get it? If you did, you'd stop wasting time estimating profit/loss/critiquing movies that are designed to be wastes of time created to make you poorer and dumber, like any addictive substance.



And I'm sure you're just itching to give away that drug for free as soon as people smarter than you upload it to yts.


Hollywood isn't suffering now from the normal glut of bad movies. They're suffering because they forced your woke agenda into them for the last 10 years and nobody will pay to see it anymore. None of this is helped by the fact that the people you voted for wrecked the economy and nobody is going to choose to pay to see even a good movie if it means that they're not eating one day this week.

Yeah... They make a lot of crap. They're also capable of creating wonderful things. And just because you don't like Hollywood now and stopped defending it because your Legacy Media Masters told you to in 2024, it doesn't mean that Hollywood is not important.

What's been happening to Hollywood is a great barometer of the winds of change blowing. Your time is finished. Democrats and Joe* Biden destroyed everything in the 2020s. It will be interesting to see how things get rebuilt now that all of the Democrat nonsense has fallen sharply out of vogue.

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6ix, you talk exactly the same as all the Trumptards I know. Could it be that Trump has infected you? Because he talks the same way. What are you gonna do if Trump loses? Keep spreading Trump's infected talking points that he did not lose? That he will be back in 2028 running for President?

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I've heard about 5 sentences that Trump has said since Joe Biden* was inaugurated.

If anybody here is infected by Trump, it's the guy who posts 3 dozen threads about the man every week. It ain't me.



And I see you didn't bother trying to pretend that you can't wait to put the download link to Apes in this thread. You've probably got that tab on yts opened and you're checking it every single day, aren't you?

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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 4:22 PM

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Before covid the studios would release a bunch of low budget rom-coms and lite comedies in late winter and early spring knowing they'd bomb or if lucky make a few bucks. The sure fire hits were saved for summer and the late year holidays, these would make the big bucks while the crap that lost money early in the year would be forgotten. They'd recoup the money they lost on the crap the released early that year, NOW last year most of the big budget flicks lost money, ALL YEAR! It looks to me that most of the low budget crap is going straight to streaming while what they hope are block busters are going in theaters.



Most lost money... but just barely. I still haven't gone back and finalized those numbers from last year, but using the 2.5xRoT, 31 of the Top 100 movies in 2023 did better than breaking even. And only 74 of the movies that were in the Top 100 were made in the US. So a few more than half of the movies lost money. It's possibly even less than that since I straight up used 2.5xRoT for everything, even though in reality any movie that cost under $25 Million and/or was created by a smaller studio like Focus Features probably only needed 2 times the budget to break even.

Universal can't help but lose money in 2024, but they made a ton of it in 2023.

What was really staggering is just how badly all the flops did and how Disney just lost no matter what they tried putting out. They've even had to admit it, it was so bad... And until the live-action Lion King flop comes out this summer, it's already the middle of May and we have yet to see a movie released by Disney.


They'd better be working on those padding movies for the theaters though, if they want to have any theaters to show their movies in when the go back to making them. All that filler and padding is how they keep the lights on and the employees paid.


I'm curious how much of this right now is because stuff is going directly to streaming and how much of it was because there simply wasn't anything in the can after those prolonged writers/actors strikes last year.

2024 is shaping up to be an even worse year for Hollywood than 2023 was, and that's really saying something. They can't afford to keep having nothing worth watching at all in the theaters in 2025.

And nobody can blame Wokeness for Hollywood's problems this year either. AFAIK, only Magical Lodge of Negro Wizards, the Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead remake and an alleged paranormal gay relationship story arc in Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire is the only Woke that's even been put out so far this year. All of them have failed, but so have a lot of movies in 2024 that probably wouldn't have if we had a good economy.

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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 7:41 PM

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All of them have failed, but so have a lot of movies in 2024 that probably wouldn't have if we had a good economy.

Failure is normal in Hollywood:

Stellar Casts, Bad Returns – 18 Box Office Flops Starring A-List Actors

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/stellar-casts-bad-returns-18-box
-office-flops-starring-a-list-actors/ss-BB1mmXwE


1 The Men Who Stare at Goats
©Photo Credit: Overture Films.
With George Clooney, Ewan McGregor, and Jeff Bridges leading the ensemble cast, this satirical war comedy failed to resonate with audiences despite its intriguing premise about a secret military unit experimenting with paranormal powers. It has some great comedy moments, so it’s a shame that many overlooked it.

2 Killing Them Softly
©Photo Credit: The Weinstein Company.
Despite featuring Brad Pitt in the lead role, this crime thriller set against the backdrop of the 2008 financial crisis failed to gain traction at the box office due to its dark, edgy tone. It’s a shame; it’s a great movie with incredible performances.

3 Synecdoche, New York
©Photo Credit: Sony Pictures Classics.
Directed by Charlie Kaufman and starring the brilliant Philip Seymour Hoffman, this surreal and existential drama about a theater director’s ambitious project to create a life-size replica of New York City received critical acclaim but just missed the mark. It’s a fantastic movie but possibly a little too clever.

4 The Nines
©Photo Credit: Destination Films.
Starring Deadpool star Ryan Reynolds in multiple roles, this mind-bending indie film about a troubled actor’s surreal journey through three mini-films of alternate realities received praise for its originality but failed to find mainstream success. It was too inconsistent, and we didn’t have the patience for it.

5 We Own the Night
©Photo Credit: Sony Pictures.
Featuring Joaquin Phoenix and Mark Wahlberg as brothers on opposite sides of the law, this crime drama from director James Gray was quipped as being better than The Departed. What went wrong? Poor promotion, we suspect.

6 The Paperboy
©Photo Credit: Millennium Films.
Starring Zac Efron, Nicole Kidman, and Matthew McConaughey, this Southern Gothic thriller just didn’t hit the right notes. Nicole Kidman urinating on Zac Efron was nothing short of gratuitous, and Cannes critics hated it.

7 Inherent Vice
©Photo Credit: Warner Bros.
Joaquin Phoenix makes yet another appearance in this obscure movie directed by Paul Thomas Anderson. It’s a psychedelic neo-noir comedy-drama based on Thomas Pynchon’s novel, but it was a bit too complex to reach a commercial market.

8 The Ice Harvest
©Photo Credit: Focus Features.
With John Cusack and Billy Bob Thornton in the lead roles, this dark, low-budget comedy about a lawyer and a strip club owner’s scheme to embezzle money on Christmas Eve flopped miserably despite its talented cast. However, it did gain a cult following, so it can’t have been that bad.

9 I Heart Huckabees
©Photo Credit: Fox Searchlight Pictures.
This quirky comedy failed to receive the recognition it deserved. Despite having a blockbuster cast and a brilliant premise, it still missed out on the red-carpet treatment. Starring Mark Wahlberg, Dustin Hoffman, and Naomi Watts, it is an intelligent, laugh-out-loud, and emotionally resonant masterpiece that truly deserves a watch.

10 Margot at the Wedding
©Photo Credit: Paramount Vantage.
Featuring Nicole Kidman and Jennifer Jason Leigh as estranged sisters, this dysfunctional family drama from director Noah Baumbach was one of those movies that split critics. This was largely due to its unlikable characters and overall bleakness.

11 A Scanner Darkly
©Photo Credit: Warner Independent Pictures.
Featuring a star-studded cast including Keanu Reeves, Robert Downey Jr., and Winona Ryder, this animated sci-fi thriller based on Philip K. Dick’s novel struggled to find mainstream success due to a complex storyline and lack of explanation. You might be engrossed, but it isn’t for the right reasons.

12 Bug
©Photo Credit: Lionsgate.
This psychological thriller about a woman’s descent into madness after becoming convinced she’s infested with bugs was a bit too weird and claustrophobic for commercial audiences, even though it starred Ashley Judd and Michael Shannon.

13 Southland Tales
©Photo Credit: Samuel Goldwyn Films.
Dwayne Johnson and Sarah Michelle Gellar starred in this dystopian sci-fi satire, which was fiercely panned by critics. The movie was so bad that it failed to recoup its production costs at the box office and was booed at the Cannes Film Festival. Ouch.

14 The Beaver
©Photo Credit: Summit Entertainment.
Mel Gibson played a depressed man who communicates through a beaver hand puppet. That should speak volumes. It was directed by Jodie Foster but failed to reach any level of interest. Jodie Foster should stick to acting.

15 The Tree of Life
©Photo Credit: Summit Entertainment.
With stars like Brad Pitt and Jessica Chastain, you’d expect any level of storyline to resonate with a fanbase to some degree. Sadly, not so. This experimental drama about a family’s journey through life received polarizing reviews and didn’t reach us on any level.

16 The Private Lives of Pippa Lee
©Photo Credit: Screen Media Films.
With House Of Cards star Robin Wright in the title role, this indie drama about a woman’s journey of self-discovery was just too slow-paced to grip audiences. She might be talented, but we can take only so much self-absorption.

17 Cherry
©Photo Credit: Apple TV+.
It wasn’t a flop—it was a super flop. Starring the fresh-faced Tom Holland, who failed to convince audiences that he could command a candy bar, the storyline is convoluted and plain stupid. Sometimes, there’s little more you can say.

18 ? Insert your example. My example would be The Creator (2023)
I saw it in the movie theater and liked it, but it flopped.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Creator-The-(2023)#tab=summary

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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 8:16 PM

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All of them have failed, but so have a lot of movies in 2024 that probably wouldn't have if we had a good economy.

Failure is normal in Hollywood:



So is success.


But as we've already discussed in other threads, you see everything in black and white and binary code. You only deal in absolutes.

Though this makes it very easy for you to shut off your brain completely and not have to spend any of what precocious little brain power you are capable of harnessing on having thoughts of your own, this also blinds you completely to the benefit of having data at your fingertips and using your own brain to decipher its meaning.

2023's failures were all for one reason and one reason alone. The culmination of all of its prior miscalculations leading up until last year, and then multiplied by shoving a DEI agenda into every single film that was released. All the while convincing themselves that everything they were doing was good and right and what the audience wanted them to do.... Or even worse... Doing it all in spite of what the audience wants them to do. They are, after all, the monopolists of the Truth and they represent the moral authority of the entire world, therefore their logic on any topic of conversation is inarguable.

And..... What was the end result of all that?

Barring when all the theaters were shut down over the common cold in 2020/2021, Hollywood has never had a year that went as badly for them in the history of cinema as last year did. DEI programs all across Hollywood were shut down. Most of the people responsible for the trash they've been putting out were cut loose when they collectively all announced that 2/3rds of the slated upcoming projects they had were put on indefinite hiatus or thrown right into the dumpster. Some of them hadn't even finished partying over the dual union wins and the strike finally ending before they were informed that their services will no longer be required in this town.

And now, 2024's failures could possibly end up being even worse for them than last year was, but it is impossible to blame them on the reasons that lead Disney to their epic 2023 failure.

The reasons in 2024 are much different, and they are three-fold. The first is that the prolonged writer's and actor's strikes left them very empty handed and not much has been released in the 1st half of the year. The second reason is the economy is in the toilet, so people aren't even going out to see good movies in the same numbers that they would have 4 years ago. The third reason is that the pre-Biden* budget levels are no longer an option and until they start cutting costs on the front end, any move they make going forward is high-risk/low-reward.

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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 10:23 PM

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So is success.


But as we've already discussed in other threads, you see everything in black and white and binary code. You only deal in absolutes.

Though this makes it very easy for you to shut off your brain completely and not have to spend any of what precocious little brain power you are capable of harnessing on having thoughts of your own, this also blinds you completely to the benefit of having data at your fingertips and using your own brain to decipher its meaning.

Hollywood already has a plan to create failure out of success by making the same Ape movie over and over until all the novelty is lost and the Ape movies become guaranteed money losers:

Are the new Planet of the Apes movies going anywhere?

By A.A. Dowd | May 14, 2024, 10:01AM

https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/planet-of-apes-franchise-no-direc
tion-feature
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The new Apes movies move only forward, with no destination in sight. Kingdom is the clearest proof yet that the architects of the franchise aren’t so much building toward an ending as finding a way to avoid one indefinitely. With the success of Kingdom, they’ve already announced plans for five more sequels. You could say these films are the ultimate realization of Hollywood’s ongoing prequel project: If they don’t reach the planet of the apes proper, they can just keep making movies, always putting the future on the horizon, never meaningfully changing the nature of the material. It’s the origin story that never ends.

Of course, Rise made no guarantee that this new Apes series would reach the same place where the first one started. We may never meet a time-traveling Charlton Heston or a Dr. Zaius. But it would be nice if there was something looming in the distance of the franchise, some conclusion as concrete (and satisfying) as an ancient statue jutting ominously out of the sand.

Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver – the writer-producer duo known for ‘Planet of the Apes,’ – talk about being inspired to make five more ‘Apes.’
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/kingdom-of-the
-planet-of-the-apes-sequels-1235892576
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Much more at https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/planet-of-apes-franchise-no-direc
tion-feature
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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 10:32 PM

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So is success.


But as we've already discussed in other threads, you see everything in black and white and binary code. You only deal in absolutes.

Though this makes it very easy for you to shut off your brain completely and not have to spend any of what precocious little brain power you are capable of harnessing on having thoughts of your own, this also blinds you completely to the benefit of having data at your fingertips and using your own brain to decipher its meaning.

Hollywood already has a plan to create failure out of success by making the same Ape movie over and over until all the novelty is lost and the Ape movies become guaranteed money losers:



Well... Duh.


I'm not watching any of this crap. I'm going to assume based off this conversation that little of it interests you either.

But a lot of people were and enough people still are. They're just going to keep cranking out those reboots, remakes and sequels until people stop paying them to do it. Up until now they haven't been incentivized to correct their bad behavior. But they're probably starting to feel the fear that even the old tried and true model might not be working for them this time.



The point you keep missing is that they tried forcing all the DEI bullshit when they had just spent the last few decades building a house of cards as a foundation. But they convinced themselves that The People NEED them. They were mistaken. And now far too many things are different in 2024 for any of them to behave as they did 4 years ago. Those that are still employed and/or will ever get another job in Hollywood, that is.

That damage is done now. So if they want to get people back into the theaters with nothing but sequels and reboots that nobody asked for, even if it doesn't have a single sentence of DEI agenda to be found, I think they're in for at least another few bad years until they learn how to properly budget and take risks again.

And for the love of god... if you're going to continue to spend obscene amounts of money to buy the copyrights for nerd culture favorites and bring them to the mainstream... just give the fans what they want and you'll make something great. Fallout is a prime example of this.

We don't need your constant reinvention of things that were already beloved before half of you people were even born. Your input has not improved any of these works one single time and it is no longer welcome. Just shut the fuck up and do your job. And in case nobody ever told you, your job is to make something a paying audience is eager enough to watch that they'd even sit through commercials to see it to the end. That is your ONLY job. Period.

Keep your opinions and politics and bullshit in your own living room where they belong. The People have no desire to hear your opinions when they are paying to be entertained. They never did. Not when they could get every one of them for free just by putting MSNBC on for an hour or watching the Gals on The View.

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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 10:50 PM

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I'm not watching any of this crap. I'm going to assume based off this conversation that little of it interests you either.

The Ape movies are repetitive, losing novelty and ticket sales. But Hollywood has always been that way, making the same damn movie over and over until audiences, except for teenagers, are sick of that particular product and crave some new novelty. The example I previously gave you was the silent movie Stella Maris from 1918, which was remade in 1925. Hollywood stumbles upon occasional successes, but its fundamental nature, its inability to understand why some stories work and others don't, dooms it to make mostly failures with random successes thrown in at infrequent intervals. The money men in Hollywood have no idea what works and they never will, even back in 1918.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Maris_(1918_film)

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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 10:52 PM

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I'm not watching any of this crap. I'm going to assume based off this conversation that little of it interests you either.

The Ape movies are repetitive, losing novelty and ticket sales. But Hollywood has always been that way, making the same damn movie over and over until audiences, except for teenagers, are sick of that particular product and crave some new novelty. The example I previously gave you was the silent movie Stella Maris from 1918, which was remade in 1925. Hollywood stumbles upon occasional successes, but its fundamental nature, its inability to understand why some stories work and others don't, dooms it to make mostly failures with random successes thrown in at infrequent intervals. The money men in Hollywood have no idea what works and they never will, even back in 1918.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Maris_(1918_film)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




At this point I'm just wondering how many times you can reply to a thread in a single day and say the exact same thing.

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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 11:27 PM

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At this point I'm just wondering how many times you can reply to a thread in a single day and say the exact same thing.

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6ix, you are under some grandiose delusion that Hollywood is injecting politics into its products to spite Trumptards. I quote you:
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Your input has not improved any of these works one single time and it is no longer welcome. Just shut the fuck up and do your job. And in case nobody ever told you, your job is to make something a paying audience is eager enough to watch that they'd even sit through commercials to see it to the end. That is your ONLY job. Period.

Keep your opinions and politics and bullshit in your own living room where they belong. The People have no desire to hear your opinions when they are paying to be entertained. They never did. Not when they could get every one of them for free just by putting MSNBC on for an hour or watching the Gals on The View.

That is NOT what Hollywood is doing. There are talented story writers attracted to Hollywood, but the final product is not what the talented people would produce. The final product is whatever the money men and egotistical bigshots want, and they don't have any talent or even good taste. They refer to the conflict as Art vs Mammon. Art nearly always loses in Hollywood. This is a sample of how convoluted movie production is:

Being producers kept you on the project, even when the studio had doubts and replaced you as screenwriters at one point, only to bring you back.

SILVER: We were fired a few times and brought back a few times. We followed Rise all the way through production and post. Thank goodness we asked to be producers. I wish more writers got to be producers on their work. You write a script and you’re done, and then the director goes and makes a movie that you’re excited about, and you don’t hear anything. Things go silent for 18 months.

6ix, does this give you a hint at why most Hollywood movies are crap? If you read all of the article, you will get a feel for the behind the scenes chaos during production causing crappiness in the final product.
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes Sequels
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/kingdom-of-the
-planet-of-the-apes-sequels-1235892576
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Wednesday, May 15, 2024 8:36 AM

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Failure is routine in Hollywood, but it is not because they inserted politics offensive to Trumptards.

10 Movies Everybody Wanted...But Nobody Watched
Everyone wanted Sin City 2, but nobody turned up for it.

Serenity is 1 of the 10.

The Lego Movie 2: The Second Part
Blade Runner 2049
Dredd
Serenity
Watchmen
Snakes on a Plane
Gremlins 2: The New Batch
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World
Sin City: A Dame to Kill For
The Matrix Resurrections



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Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:40 PM

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At this point I'm just wondering how many times you can reply to a thread in a single day and say the exact same thing.

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6ix, you are under some grandiose delusion that Hollywood is injecting politics into its products to spite Trumptards.



It's not a delusion. All of those Hollywood types are on the Left fringes and everybody knows it. If you don't know somebody's political affiliation in Hollywood, chances are they're not insane Leftist cultists. And then there's James Woods, who doesn't give a single fuck that Hollywood won't put him in another movie so he tells it all like it is.

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That is NOT what Hollywood is doing.



It's not doing it anymore. It can't afford to.

But it is exactly what Hollywood and Disney in particular were doing up until last year.

They've learned some very expensive lessons so far, and it doesn't look like they're finished paying for it yet.

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Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:58 PM

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Here you go...

An example of Leftists in Hollywood certainly not injecting insane Leftist radical agenda in a decades old beloved TV show.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=8&tid=66028&mid=119257
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Thursday, May 16, 2024 8:54 AM

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For those interested in seeing more of how "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes" came to be before the digital effects were added, 20th Century Studios has already announced that the physical media release of the film will contain a special bonus feature of the entire film without CGI. (You will see humans with dots inked on their faces pretending to be apes! That's the purity of acting!)

Read More: https://www.slashfilm.com/1582061/kingdom-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-st
ill-impressive-no-special-effects-cgi
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Friday, May 17, 2024 3:32 PM

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Boy... Had to go back a long while past all the bullshit to get to the last pertinent post.

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This will NOT be a billion $ block buster, those days may be gone



Oh... Certainly not. I don't any path to $500 Million for Apes. It only needs $412.5 Million to break even though.

My honest opinion from what I'm seeing right now is that it will either lose a little bit of money or it will make a little bit of money and not make much waves either way. If breaking even were the bullseye, I think they just about hit it here. My guess is that it makes 15% +/- the break even point, or between $350 Million and $475 Million worldwide.

We'll have to see what the first weekend drop is going to be before any real predictions for a final number can be made, but I'm happy with that range and can say with just about 100% confidence it falls within it.



I wouldn't say that Billion Dollar days are gone, but I think all the major studios will have gotten the message loud and clear that the days of that almost being a given on blockbusters are over and that they're really going to have to start justifying those big budgets going forward.

We might get one of them this year. Barbie did almost $1.5 Billion last year and Top Gun: Maverick did the same the year before that. Oh... and The Super Mario Movie did somewhere around $1.35 Billion last year too.


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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.



It did quite a bit better than that with $58,400,788 in the US after the real numbers came in.

I was hesitant to say it would be over $58 Million just because everything has been so wonky this year. Last year while I was tracking movies I would have said it made over $58 Million if the studio projections were $56.5 Million.

So at least in that regard it's behaving like a normal movie in normal times would behave.



Bruce is predicting a pretty big 60% this weekend in the US for only $23.4 Million and a drop to 2nd place. He doesn't go into any detail at all about Apes in the prediction article.

Regardless of how it does Internationally, it should be quite a bit less of a drop than 60% simply because we get their new numbers for all week instead of just the weekend numbers. Typically if that film was doing well last year, it amounted to essentially doubling opening weekend's numbers. With a 60% drop in the US on 2nd weekend, maybe that amounts to 85% of the first weekend internationally?

Bruce's $23.4 Million added to the current worldwide total would be just shy of $171.5 Million worldwide.

Let's say 85% of last weekend's $75 Million on top of it.

So maybe we see around $235 Million come Monday?

Maybe Bruce is full of shit and it does $35 Million in the US this weekend and an extra $12 Million internationally and we're well over $250 Million on Monday?

Who knows.... It's all guessing right now.


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-56.3% drop from Friday to Friday for Apes after you exclude the 6,600 from previews. Not quite the -69% drop that Bruce reports while including the previews, but probably in line with his -60% total weekend drop.

It only made 200k more last night than it did on Preview Tuesday. I figured it would do better than that. It just barely missed $6 Million by a hair on Cheap Seat Tuesday, so only $6.8 Million on Friday was unexpected. Not looking good for the overall picture here. Can't really say until we see internationals on Monday, but I think Apes is going to make toward the smaller end of the scale on my predicted final amount after seeing this pretty massive drop in the 2nd week.



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