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FIREFLY EPISODE DISCUSSIONS
One for the road: QT's Shamelessly Gushing Review of Serenity (SPOILERS!)
Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:13 AM
QUEENTIYE
Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:14 AM
Monday, January 20, 2003 7:51 PM
DELVO
Quote:Sargent Reynolds was something of a good old boy, joking, wisecracking, and generally not someone I'd care to know. Yes, I'm that much of a stick in the mud sometimes, but he would have irked the daylights out of me. That was my very first impression of him. And yet, in his moments away from people, the real Mal Reynolds showed up
Quote:1. Zoe & Wash. I was the first to say "I don't get it, and I don't like them together." I get it now. AND, I like them together. And I don't hate Wash. (he still rates pretty low on my liking scale, but at least he's on it...)
Quote:4. Jayne - man, I love Jayne. I haven't said that before, but if Mal weren't my whole heart, Jayne would be. Damn. Did anyone's heart leap to their throats watching Jayne spying on Kaylee's progress?
Quote:5. BOOK! K. I hated his last scene with Inara - that just felt WRONG - we had no plot development prior that suggested that Book would be having such an emotional crisis.
Quote:8. Inara - of all the characters, I was most disappointed in her, without ever disliking her. It is apparent to me that Inara's profession is just what it looks like - legalized prostitution, with a grand amount of training to support the fantasy that she provides. Mal's little joke of calling her an "ambassador" highlights this.
Quote:...the romance between [Mal and Inara] is so apparent, and yet so light, that they could have stretched this over a few seasons, with lots of ups and downs, and made it so that we, as viewers, finally were rooting for Mal to succeed in his crusade.
Quote:[Mal's] stunt with Inara and Book was unkind to both of them, and actually unforgiveable. It was crass, and mean spirited... it was hypocritical - as the person most uncomfortable in the presence of either Book or Inara is MAL.
Quote:Um... did anyone else's heart flutter when Mal almost lost it over Inara? I could have paid LOTS of money to have been Inara in that moment. ~SIGH!!!~ Nice recovery, btw, Capt. Tightpants...
Quote:Speaking of which - was there any real purpose for us observing Mal zipping up after a visit to the little boys room? It wasn't sexy. It was rather crass. We all make those little runs, and we all know what it looks like. Don't we?
Quote:"What it is is what it is." Wow. No one doubts who the captain of the ship is...his leadership shines through in moments like this...
Quote:there's one more scene for me to gush over - and no, it's not when Mal says "Everybody's making a fuss!"... after carefully considering for a good half an episode what to do with this guy, Mal comes on the boat, and shoots the mole dead without breaking stride... when caution was no longer a commodity they could afford, he simply dispenses with the problem and moves on...
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Delvo: I don't see how this episode fixed them for someone who didn't think they worked in the first place! What's different? Is it just that this is the first episode you've seen in which Wash's problem with Zoe & Mal showed up like it should have all along?
Quote:I even saw those two as a bit worse than before; for example, the sarcastic exaggerated smile and thumb-up sign he gave her when she called Mal "sir" just after he'd said "Call him 'sir', he likes that." That way of handling a real issue with their relationship and trying to make sure it was a scene Mal would take notice of is the most childish thing he's done, and just makes her tolerating him more mysterious.
Quote:But I disliked that scene, which felt like character assassination. Everything else we've seen about Jayne makes him look much less caring than that, or at least leaves room for doubt.
Quote:If this episode had been the first I'd seen of Jayne, that would have cast EVERY subsequent scene of his in another light, because then his detachment would have been established as an act all along.
Quote:I guess part of my problem with it is that the main thing I had always liked about Jayne was that he didn't try to hide how uncivilized he was, and now it turns out that apparently his uncivilization is itself mostly hiding someting else.
Quote:Quote:8. Inara - of all the characters, I was most disappointed in her, without ever disliking her. It is apparent to me that Inara's profession is just what it looks like - legalized prostitution, with a grand amount of training to support the fantasy that she provides. Mal's little joke of calling her an "ambassador" highlights this. Ditto. It's not a euphemism, it's a parallel. They're both people who do something completely unremarkable or disreputable or pointless, but get lots of money and credit for it because they manage to fluff up their image with a lot of hi-falutin' pretentions and fancy résumés designed to fool or placate naïve or shallow high-society types. I'll bet she was on the Student Council in her high school.
Quote:Quote:...the romance between [Mal and Inara] is so apparent, and yet so light, that they could have stretched this over a few seasons, with lots of ups and downs, and made it so that we, as viewers, finally were rooting for Mal to succeed in his crusade. There's no romance there! But I can see that what they DO have is a classic cheesey stereotypical of-course-they'll-shoehorn-a-thoroughly-implausible-romance-into-it setup. BOOORIIING... and about as subtle, intelligent, and original as romances in any modern sitcom and most "romantic comedy" movies (or attempted serious romances of unintended stupid humor, like on Buffy).
Quote:BTW, how exactly was Book supposed to have caught on to Inara's infatuation with Mal? He mentioned it but had never been shown seeing any evidence of it.
Quote:Quote:Um... did anyone else's heart flutter when Mal almost lost it over Inara? I could have paid LOTS of money to have been Inara in that moment. ~SIGH!!!~ Nice recovery, btw, Capt. Tightpants... Huh? No scene in the tape you sent me even vaguely resembles that!
Quote:Quote:"What it is is what it is." Wow. No one doubts who the captain of the ship is...his leadership shines through in moments like this... Agreed. But it wouldn't be enough to make his character likable to me if he pulled stunts like that one with Inara & Book more often.
Quote:Quote:there's one more scene for me to gush over - and no, it's not when Mal says "Everybody's making a fuss!"... after carefully considering for a good half an episode what to do with this guy, Mal comes on the boat, and shoots the mole dead without breaking stride... when caution was no longer a commodity they could afford, he simply dispenses with the problem and moves on... That's guy movie stuff, and you're a woman! You're supposed to roll your eyes in irritation at boys' silliness for enjoying such scenes, like women always do at macho characters guys like to watch on TV or in movies! What's wrong with you?
Quote:2. Some science-fiction clichés that don't make sense and/or don't fit were thrown in, almost as if to hang a sign on the show that reads "THIS IS SCI-FI". For example, the name of the planet Earththatwas evokes an overused image of absolute planetary apocalypse. And the "protein in every color of the rainbow" and making such a big deal out of fresh produce is just too Soylent Green and incongruous with this universe.
Quote:3. Any idea that the decision to have silence in space was for scientific reality should be dispelled after one sees this episode; the visual effects of that main engine firing were OVERWHELMINGLY atmospheric (or even marine). But its apparently drama-motivated origin keeps turning out very well, as with the passing of the Reaver ship. Also notice that they used the same trick for the same effect IN the air at the end of the battle scene near the beginning of the show. (Excellent soundtrack music helps this a lot.)
Quote:4. Kaylee seems to have been more bouncy/bubbly/perky in this episode than in most. This episode had some of her best character illustration ever, including the lines (and how she delivered them) "I love my captain" (with that kiss and giant grin, right after being teased for her bounciness/bubbliness/perkiness) and the ridiculously cheerful "OK, now I can't get down".
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