FIREFLY EPISODE DISCUSSIONS

Subtle yet interesting show observations -- post yours

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Friday, June 9, 2006 2:52 PM

LEANN


I believe that Jayne is not the neanderthal he would have everyone believe.

Subtle little things like in the first ep Serenity when Book goes to pray over dinner, Jayne immediately bows his head; in The Message he removes his hat when they get to funeral part; and I believe in Heart of Gold he leaves his hat on at the funeral when several other people are also covering their head.

I think his mama may have taught him some manners, he just doesn't see the need for them when killing someone.

Also, the hair braiding bit in HoG...I picture him with several younger sisters and he had to help because his mother didn't have time to fix everyone's hair.

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:11 PM

PENGUIN


Something I saw tonight while watching "The Message"...

St. Lucy's Medical Center appears behind Mal & Inara!




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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:42 AM

TYRANICLE


in the 1st episode, Serenity, when the crew lands and is looking for passengers, when Wash drives the quad-bike down the ramp, a hand come out in the bottom of the screen (just before Mal, Zoe and Jayne leave) and pulls the quad-bike off screen.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:21 AM

SPACEANJL


Flashback at the beginning of Safe -

Li'l River playing at Independents vs Alliance.

To paraphrase - They were using dinosaurs, so there was a resort to cannibalism...

Foreshadowing much?

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Friday, July 14, 2006 8:12 AM

ROCKXWL


Quote:

Originally posted by elBurrito:
In The Message, after they've 'escaped' from the Alliance, and are being buried in the snow (or somewhere around there) if you look closely at Wash, he's got his hands out as though he's holding the controls, but there's nothing in his hands.



That was the one I was gonna use. But the blooper happens in Serenity, not The Message.

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Friday, July 14, 2006 8:31 AM

STILLSHINY


This one is kind of round about But this is a good a place as any to post it.

I'm watching Angel Season 5 last night. Episode "Unleashed". Suddenly we are at this "party" scene, very uppity & high class. So much so that there is classical music in the background. The very same piece of music from Shindig. You know the da da da dada dum (would you prefer me to hum it for you?)

Anyway, just thought it was interesting. Guess Joss must really like that music.

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Friday, July 14, 2006 9:05 AM

SERENITYVAL


I was watching War Stories on SciFi (even though I have DVDs- go SciFi!) and I noticed a metaphor...
I may be making a stereotypical observation, but...
Mal isn't one to want to discuss "emotions" (heck neither are most men in general). In fact, I think it would be safe to assume he would consider emotional conversations "torture". I think Joss was subtly conveying how difficult the "Zoe" conversation, which Wash needed to have with Mal, was. It was torture...literally.

I'm seeing the how...just not getting the why.
Mal - Shindig

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Friday, July 14, 2006 9:07 AM

MARVLGRL


Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
Flashback at the beginning of Safe -

Li'l River playing at Independents vs Alliance.

To paraphrase - They were using dinosaurs, so there was a resort to cannibalism...

Foreshadowing much?



Dinosaurs=Wash...Cannibalism=Reavers...Reavers kill Wash in the BDM. *golf clap for Whedon*

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Friday, July 14, 2006 9:14 AM

STILLSHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by Brexan:
When the crew are looking at the statue in Jaynes town Simon puts his finger up to his mouth in shock, and I believe he did it a second time in the episode. Looking at the yourtube video of Nathan kissing Sean I notice Sean's making the same gesture at one point. Makes me wonder if it was scripted or his natural reaction.


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In several of the interviews I've seen with Sean he does hand gestures near the side of his face. This is definately a natural gesture for the Sean himself.

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Friday, July 14, 2006 1:53 PM

DONCOAT


I just discovered a really cool and subtle touch in Objects in Space. I posted about it in the Random River Moment thread. You're all invited to come over and share it!

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Friday, July 14, 2006 7:41 PM

ORMAYBEMIDGETS


Quote:

I just noticed this, when Mal goes to pick up River, he kicks Jayne to get him up.

Ah! I can't believe I never saw this!

Quote:

...the image of River's brain starts acting up, showing all the areas of her brain that are reacting to her psychic understanding of Jayne's betrayal, reason why she then screams. And Simon is looking at Jayne, yes, so he does miss it.

But I thought that Simon got the scan on tape? Later, Simon tells Mal, "I have the information
I downloaded off the imager." If the image acted up, why didn't he notice it later? Although of course he couldn't attribute it to Jayne's comment. But, then again, if you go by movie logic, Simon already knew she was psychic. So... okay then.

Quote:

Looking at the yourtube video of Nathan kissing Sean I notice Sean's making the same gesture at one point.

Can I have a link?

Edit: I forgot the actual reason I posted.
It's not really subtle, but it is an observation. I've heard it asked elsewhere what Mal meant by "you have no idea", in response to The Operative's "There are a lot of innocent people in the air being killed right now." I think that this is in reference to the Reavers. After all, they were just innocent people. And now they're in the air, being killed by Mal's crew. And, earlier, shot at by The Operative's crew.

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Friday, July 14, 2006 9:22 PM

AGENTRUSCO


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I've heard it asked elsewhere what Mal meant by "you have no idea", in response to The Operative's "There are a lot of innocent people in the air being killed right now." I think that this is in reference to the Reavers. After all, they were just innocent people. And now they're in the air, being killed by Mal's crew. And, earlier, shot at by The Operative's crew.


I think yer quite right.

Now, my observations. Not particularly grand, but all the good ones were taken!

In the barfight in... GORRAM! I cannot recall the episode for the life of me... anyhow, it's not 'The Train Job.' It's the one with the slave traders, can't remember the rest of the ep... My observation is that Jayne has a cigar in his mouth the whole time while he fights off several men with his pool que. (That went well...)

Next observation is that Jayne's spacesuit is a rather garrish yellow compared to the others'. Just interesting and quite Jayne.

In 'Ariel' you see a shot of Zoe stowing a knife in her boot. This may seem dull, but when I first saw that it made me chuckle. Zoe, wearing her combat boots 24/7. The knife part didn't phase me, but the boots, for some reason did.

This was actually brought to my attention by the novelization, but at the begining of the BDM, Simon tries to give River her boots when she is going on the mule. She refuses by ignoring him, and is barefoot in the town when they do the stealing. In the film, however, the boots dissapear as the mule leaves. Wonder where they went. Anyhow, subtleties and whatnot.

My remeaing question is always this: why does Mal still identify with the Browncoats. The Indepentent higher-up screwed him and the rest over royaly in Serenity Valley. I'd think, a man like him, he'd be rather sore at them for the betrayal. (ooo, a fanfic idea)

And with that, I leave you to find more cool and interesting things to note at a later date.


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Friday, July 14, 2006 9:30 PM

CHOO1701


"Next observation is that Jayne's spacesuit is a rather garrish yellow compared to the others'. Just interesting and quite Jayne."
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also shows they can't afford the same type space suits.

Also anyone noticed all the stuff hanging at the back of the cargo bay in the TV series. Got a sled and snow shoes and other stuff. Which is kind of weird since the ship mostly lands in the desert or cities....



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Friday, July 14, 2006 9:36 PM

SHINYYUKARI


Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRusco:


In the barfight in... GORRAM! I cannot recall the episode for the life of me... anyhow, it's not 'The Train Job.' It's the one with the slave traders, can't remember the rest of the ep... My observation is that Jayne has a cigar in his mouth the whole time while he fights off several men with his pool que. (That went well...)




That would be 'Shindig'(I should know considering I've watched that episode the most...XD)

Anyway, I don't know why this passed by me everytime, but when Mal and Nandi start kissing in 'Heart Of Gold', she says "I'm not her..." to which Mal replies with something I can't remember. But I love how EVERYONE can spot the tension between those too...

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Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:27 PM

DONCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by ShinyYukari:
I don't know why this passed by me everytime, but when Mal and Nandi start kissing in 'Heart Of Gold', she says "I'm not her..." to which Mal replies with something I can't remember. But I love how EVERYONE can spot the tension between those too...

I believe Mal says, "There's nobody in this room but you and me." Which may have been true at that moment, literally and even in the metaphoric sense -- but his reaction next morning when he's busted by Inara shows that there was really somebody there with them all along.

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Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:42 PM

PIZ


Quote:

Originally posted by DonCoat:
I believe Mal says, "There's nobody in this room but you and me." Which may have been true at that moment, literally and even in the metaphoric sense -- but his reaction next morning when he's busted by Inara shows that there was really somebody there with them all along.

I disagree. I think Mal would be perfectly able to put Inara away while he's with someone else, although that someone else would have to be a "remarkable woman" (as he himself calls Nandi) in order for him to be able to do that. (I don't think he'd go with a lesser woman, anyway.) Now, Inara would come right back once he's no longer with the other woman, but not during.

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Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:01 PM

PIZ


Something I just noticed in the pilot (which I'm watching right now). At the docks, when Mal, Zoe,
and Jayne are heading back to Serenity after discussing where they can unload the cargo, Mal
says, "We gotta keep our heads down, do the job, and pray there ain't no more surprises."

Given Mal's loss of faith, is this an indicator of something in Mal's character, a slip by the
writer, or nothing of importance because it's a common expression that as most people use it
really has nothing to do with religion, "pray" here meaning "hope?"

I think I listed those three in order from least to most likely. Thoughts?

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Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:52 PM

ORMAYBEMIDGETS


I think it's the second - a slip by the writer. Although I'll be proven wrong if Mal has made another such reference, I think it's out of character for Mal to make such a flippant comment about something that is very serious to him.

To defend the writer, though (Joss, I'm assuming), at that point they didn't know everything about where the character was going. Maybe at the time they were headed in a slightly different direction with regards to Mal's faith.

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Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:55 PM

AGENTRUSCO


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Did anyone else notice that the Operative only calls Mal "Mal" after he stabs him during the big fight at the end? It's weird!

Before, he only called him "Captain" or "Malcolm", very formal, very proper. But they're fighting, there's the stab...and a look of almost regret passes over the Operative's face, and he murmurs, "Do you know what your sin is...Mal?"



As neat as this is, it actually isn't the first time the Op calls him Mal. After Haven is attacked and Mal and the Op talk, the Op says "You're not a Reaver, Mal."

Anyhow...

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Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:41 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by Piz:
QUOTE]I disagree. I think Mal would be perfectly able to put Inara away while he's with someone else, although that someone else would have to be a "remarkable woman" (as he himself calls Nandi) in order for him to be able to do that. (I don't think he'd go with a lesser woman, anyway.) Now, Inara would come right back once he's no longer with the other woman, but not during.



But it's still a very significant way top phrase it, don't you think?

He could have said "I'm thinking about you." or "Of course, you're not her." or something equally clear. Instead he chooses a very vague phrase that ultimately doesn't say anything. Why would Joss write it like that if not to say more than the obvious?


Plus, the entire conversation while she seduced him keeps centering around Inara, a woman they both love.
He has his eyes closed while they have sex, never touches her hair, and the look in his eyes (and hers) after they're more or less done, that's not really one of two people happy after a round of mutually beneficial sex. She looks motherly, he looks angsty.
After he comes out of the room and meets Inara, the first reason he states for not wanting to admit he had sex with Nandi was that it might look like he took advantage of her. Must have been on his mind, that thought.

Inara was definitely in that room. The whole scene was suffused with her.



A better example for Inara being out of Mal's mind with another women would be the Saffron scene in "Our Mrs. Reynolds".

Nandi, not so much.

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Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:47 PM

ONEMANSHORT


I know this is a really obvious one, I hope it hasn't been mentioned before because I didn't feel like reading this whole thread, it took me a good 15 minutes to get about a quarter way's through. I just noticed that in Our Mrs. Reynolds that the speeched sort of correlate and Mal says "Woah, good bible" and Wash says "Woah, good myth." I know probably everyone else realized this on their first time, but I just liked the way it was written.


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Monday, July 17, 2006 12:21 PM

NAFLM


Don't know if this would be considered subtle or not but I just noticed it the other day. In Bushwacked, when the alliance is boarding Serenity as everyone stands in the cargo bay, Wash puts up his hands in a "don't shoot" gesture. And I can't be certain but I'm pretty sure that he also has one of his goofy grins on his face as he does so.

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Monday, July 17, 2006 3:35 PM

SHAMANXIA


Quote:

Originally posted by Volk564:
Here's one that is probably the most likely to seroiousley be a coincidence:
In Ariel, when Simon, Jayne, and River are in the brain-scanning room, Jayne says something along the lines of: "Now hurry up, we gotta book," and just at the moment he says the word "book," River starts screaming. Couple of possibilities for this: one, that Book is evil and River just got reminded of it, two: Book WAS evil, and the fact that she is in a hospital run by the "evil" alliance just tuned her into that more, three (most likely one): River wasn't screaming about the fact that Jayne said "we gotta book," but that she knows where they're going to Book too - namely, a trap, or four: none of the above, and I'm just crazy.
Just a thought.



I don't think it's as you think...

I've alway loved that scene in Ariel - with Jayne, River and Simon in the Neural Imaging Suite (Brain Scan thing)

Simon is reviewing the scan and Jayne is several feet back, even when he goes to touch it his hand is reaching out.

The next scene Jayne steps closer, and you can see Rivers brian in the scan activating first for the Yellow (dormant color) to a green - active color. When Jayne is right above Rivers head the the scan starts to tinge red!

And then she screams...

I think she was reacting to Jaynes betrayal, she say something at jayne later in that scene then Jayne does a 'Shut you mouth!' I didn't quite catch what she said. But she knew.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:23 AM

CHOO1701


Any one remeber the Reaver ship that they kind of blew up from Serenity (pilot)? Well its in Serenity as well

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Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:41 AM

MSG


Anyone else notice in Our Mrs. Reynolds that when Saffron is standing there sobbing and Kaylee is comforting her as Mal yells that you see Jayne's hand reach out and gently stroke/rub her arm comfortingly.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:03 AM

SPACEANJL


MSG - 'cos he gets his mitt slapped for it, too. I think by Kaylee.

Wouldn't mind being stroked by Jayne, though...

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Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:28 AM

RUGBUG


I haven't read back through all 200+ posts to see if anyone mentioned this, but Mal has a scar on his chest in the BDM that is mostly likely from that gnarly knife thing Crow throws at him in The Train Job. Nice continuity and all, but the other two times we see Mal without his shirt, War Stories and Trash, there is no scar.

I won't hold it against anyone, though, because, well, shirt off an all.

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Friday, July 21, 2006 2:18 PM

ONNAHINLI


ok this may have been brung up in this thread earlier or even before on this site but i notice in the series whenever anyone seems to refer to mals rank in the war he was a sargent even tracy in 'the message' calls him that, while everyone else refers to him as sir/captain (i figured so in regards to him being captain of his ship) but in the movie when the operative is reviewing his recoird its says his rank was captain.

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Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:53 PM

THEMANTHEYCALLMATT


This is an interesting little goof. ScrewtheAlliance has an interesting fanwank for this problem that he worked into his fics. He envisions that Mal was field-promoted to captain in a POW camp after Serenity Valley, because they got paid out from some reconciliation agreement based on their rank at discharge, and a superior officer who was in the camp with him felt that Mal deserved the extra for all the work he did in the Valley. Seems like as good an explanation as any.

I think that either they screwed up, or they wanted to make it less complicated for new viewers by sticking with one rank.

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Monday, July 24, 2006 1:49 AM

ESTHER


Quote:

Observation from "Heart of Gold": Jayne, this big rugged man's man... was BRAIDING the ladies (whore's) hair. BRAIDING IT. You must check that out. If gives an even newer depth to this supposed hard ass mercenary.


Hi Mistresssahara,
my guess on Jayne: His mother alwasy wanted a girl (that't why he has a girls name), probably even raised him in such a way (so he lerarned braiding). But when he became older, he was fighting to be as "male", as he could be (rememberm how crude he became, when River mentioned the Girls-Name-Thing?). That's why he became, what he is.
Comon theory?
Esther

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Monday, July 24, 2006 11:03 AM

ONNAHINLI


oh i just noticed agian in bushwhacked they mentioned he was in the battle oif serenity valley, and he was a sargent in the independents. im thinking maybe the captain thing was just cause he was captain of his ship?

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Monday, July 24, 2006 2:56 PM

THEMANTHEYCALLMATT


I checked, and it's definitely not because he's captain of the ship. The screen says:

CAPTAIN
INDEPENDENT ARMY
57TH BRIGADE

VOLUNTEER

That clearly links the rank with his military service, and he didn't captain a ship in the war.

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Monday, July 24, 2006 3:50 PM

DOPEYNAME101


Took me a while to realize this one:

Our Mrs. Reynolds, the whole "dinner" scene, is not in any way an attempt to seduce Mal. The entire purpose of that scene is to get Zoe and Wash fighting.

Yeah, I'm slow, it took me about five times through to realize this.

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Monday, July 24, 2006 8:42 PM

SPASSJUNGE


Quote:

Originally posted by Kaneski:

End of BDM - when Mal sits down in the pilot's seat, he flicks the 'magical 3 switches'. Wash tribute?



First time I saw the movie I specifically watched to see if he would do that. I thought it would be a crime if he didn't. But of course, Joss and Nathan were way ahead of me on that one.

And regarding the long walk and talk at the beginning of Serenity, those always amaze me and it reminds me of one of the first scene after the opening credits in the pilot of West Wing. West Wing has loads of long walk 'n talks but that one sticks out since it is the first thing you really see of the West Wing set. Same idea, introduces the set, although in this case, not all of the characters are there for it.

Other little things I liked:

In Serenity, Jayne and Simon are drinking some kind of liquor from a Blue Sun bottle.

The friendship between Book and Jayne throughout the series always gets me.

Glänzend!

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Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:13 PM

PSYCHOTIC


This hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet:

In the BDM, when they first arrive Haven, a little kid (girl?) runs up to hug Kaylee. Later, returning to the destroyed Haven, Kaylee finds the burning corpse of a child. And then comes the shot of River framed in the flaming swing. I love that sad scene!

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Tuesday, August 8, 2006 8:46 PM

AGENTRUSCO


Watched The Message again. For like the eighteenth thim. It's one of my favorites. However, this time I caught one more thing and re-remembered another.

In the begining, when Serenity is leaving the dock, a ship takes her place. It is Womack's ship. That could be obvious, but I only just noticed it and it would be impossible to note on a the first viewing.

When Tracey is first revived and is on the machines, you can hear his heartbeat in the background. When Kaylee enters the room, the pace quickens. Makes me laugh every time.

So there.

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Friday, August 18, 2006 1:59 AM

CR0SSFIRE


im sure somone has noticed but i havent seen a post of it but I think there is a blue sun (poster,billboard,shirt,ext.)in evry episode Ive so far seen it in twice in very obscure places and i was wondering if anyone has found it
1st one is in the pilot serenity when the crew is on persphone if you look in the backround on a crate or somthing theres a bluse sun poster
ive also seen it on jayne's shirt i forget the episode. anyone else see these or is it old news?

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Friday, August 18, 2006 11:24 PM

TERRI


Wow. It only took me like an hour to read this whole thread. But I enjoyed it, and you know, I can sleep anytime, right? Of course, the best thing is that now I can watch all the eps again with a new perspective, and enjoy them even more. Plus I'm going to find that Script compainion or whatever right away. Um, anyway, I've mentioned this on another board, but I thought I would mention it here, because it's kind of subtle. You don't really delve into Zoe's realtionships with people (other than Wash and the Captain) on board the ship. I guess mostly because she's a follow orders type of lady, but you see Wash and Kaylee, Jayne and Kaylee, Simon and Jayne, Kaylee and Simon, Book and River, Inara and Book. I could go on. Anyway there's this exchange in War Stories where Zoe and the rest are heading out the door to get on Niska's station.
Zoe: If it moves, shoot it.
Kaylee: Unless it's the captain.
Zoe: Unless it's the captain.

And I kinda got this the first time, but just the tone of Zoe's voice spoke volumes to me about her relationship with Kaylee. Maybe it's a universal, ship wide thing, to appreciate and respect Kaylee's innocence and whatnot, but I really felt like Zoe was respecting her with just that one line.


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Friday, August 18, 2006 11:44 PM

CRUITHNE3753


Quote:

Originally posted by Nytegaunt:
From "The Message" when we learn that Jayne has a sick brother named Matty .... brothers who both share feminine sounding names.



*Ahem* That would be an endearment of Matthew... which just happens to be my name.

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:25 AM

BOOMERGOODHEART


I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already, as I didn't have the time to read this entire thread....but has anyone else noticed that Mal only wears his browncoat when he's doing something not strictly legal or anti-Alliance? 2 examples from OoG: at the end, when he's buying Serenity, he's wearing a regular jacket; after everyone leaves and he goes to the bridge, he wraps up in a blanket, not his coat.

I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive about this.

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"I love my Captain."

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 4:45 AM

GORRAMMALCONTENT


I might be late in coming to this,but I haven't seen it posted yet.After seeing the BDM umpteen times it finally hit me that the term Reavers comes from REVERSE,as in those who had the reverse reaction to the Pax.
I also love that "Pax" is the abbreviation for the chemical used on Miranda.As I'm sure many of you know,pax is the Latin word for peace.The Pax Romana or Peace of Rome is a term that has been used as a way of describing the oppresiveness of Roman occupation.

"Would you be killed in your sleep like an ailing pet?"

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 5:37 AM

DONCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Gorrammalcontent:
I also love that "Pax" is the abbreviation for the chemical used on Miranda.As I'm sure many of you know,pax is the Latin word for peace.

My feeling is that it works the other way around. It wasn't so much that the abbreviation of the name happened to be ironic (if that's what you meant). Rather, the chemical's name ("G-32 Paxilon Hydrochlorate") was chosen because of its purpose -- it was intended to pacify the populace. It's hardly unknown for a drug company to pick a name that suggests its product's effect.

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 5:55 AM

GORRAMMALCONTENT


Great point Doncoat,I agree totally.I guess the point that I was trying to make was that I love that Joss doesn't underestimate his audience or feel the need to explain such references.Just reveling in the Joss-iness (or is it Joss-itude?)

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 6:39 AM

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 8:27 AM

PEONY


I haven't really thought this out, but I think at some point in the series every character "identifies" with the ship Serenity in some way -- either by sideways metaphorical reference, as is the case with Zoe and the "She's tore up plenty, but she'll fly true" line; or by direct statement, as is the case when River pretends to "incorporeally possess" the ship (much less subtle, but then it's River). If other people want to try to figure out how the other crew members fit into this idea -- someone already mentioned the scene where Kaylee says something like, "She usually tells me when something's wrong."

Also, "River" sounds a lot like "Reaver". And the two have a lot in common. But it's River's humanity that sets her apart, which is made clear at the end of the BDM with her line "...but I like to hear you say it." Not sure how intentional that was.

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:15 AM

PEONY


Also, does anyone know if this was specified in the casting? -- Almost all of the characters in the show look like they have some Asian descent. Every once in a while I look at Kaylee and notice the resemblance, and it's clear that River has some Asian blood in her. Very fitting for a `verse supposedly run by the US and China.

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:28 PM

SHROUDED


Quote:

Originally posted by peony:
Also, does anyone know if this was specified in the casting? -- Almost all of the characters in the show look like they have some Asian descent. Every once in a while I look at Kaylee and notice the resemblance, and it's clear that River has some Asian blood in her. Very fitting for a `verse supposedly run by the US and China.



I thought along the same lines when I first saw the pilot episode. It's especially noticeable in Kaylee when she has her hair up in the two buns, I think.

In fact, when I first saw it (don't kill me, please!) I completely believed that Kaylee with her hair down was a different person than Kaylee with her hair in the buns.

It's just that she looked more asian with her buns up and that adorable rainbow pastel parasol. xD

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Monday, August 21, 2006 2:46 AM

SHROUDED


Alright, I've made a few observations.... i don't think they were posted here yet, but if they were, I apoligize.

In Jaynestown, when Book finds River messing up his Bible, River tells him, "It's broken. It doesn't make sense." Two episodes prior, in Safe, River tells Simon, "You found me broken, and it hurts you." I think River's need to fix things that are broken when the really don't need to be fixed is kind of like her portraying her anger towards her brother not being able to fix her.

Another one, in Trash. When Jayne goes in to tell Simon and River they have to confine themselves to the one room, there's an interaction that goes somewhat like this:

Simon: this bounty on us just keeps getting more interesting.
Jayne: Well, I wouldn't know.
River: she's lying.

Now, when I first saw the episode - actually, the first several times I saw it - I always assumed River was talking about YoSaffBridge, because I missed Jayne's line. but now I realize she was, in fact, talking about Jayne, because soon after comes her infamous line, "Jayne's a girl's name."

There's probably more, but I thought them up as I was falling asleep last night, and I can't remember them. ^^;

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Monday, August 21, 2006 10:35 AM

ELDUSTO


I caught that the second time I saw that episode, I thought it was really funny since River was picking on Jayne for having a girls name. LOL!

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Monday, August 21, 2006 11:13 AM

SHROUDED


Yeah, well, we all know "Jayne ain't no girl."

EDIT: Oh, and I caught something else, in the BDM.

River mouths the words, "The people here stopped fighting" along with the Alliance doctor, kinda hinting that this was the big secret she knew - because you can obviously not read the mind of a hologram, so she couldn't know what she was about to say like when she mouthed words alongside Mal earlier in the movie.

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