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Could Joss Whedon be planning a new series with FX?

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:38 PM

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Posted on SciFi Wire, link here: http://scifiwire.com/2010/01/could-joss-whedon-be-plan.php

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Will Joss Whedon make a new show for cable TV?

That's the tantalizing hint presented by FX president John Landgraf, speaking with reporters on Sunday and saying that he's having lunch with the creator of Dollhouse and Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Here's how the Futon Critic Web site reported it:

"Actually his representatives called and scheduled a lunch, I think I'm supposed to have lunch with Joss in the next two or three weeks," FX president John Landgraf told reporters when asked about working with the cult-favorite producer during the network's executive session at the TCA this morning.
Dollhouse ends with a series finale, "Epitaph Two: Return," on Jan. 29 at 8 p.m. ET/PT on Fox.





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Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


FX might be a much better fit for Joss. Edgier, grittier, smaller (but more hardcore) audiences, etc.

Re-light this dang boat already! We're ready to do the impossible again!

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:53 PM

DEWRASTLER


I know that I, and a few others here, have felt that Joss's shows are better suited for cable TV. I'm curious to see where this goes.

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:37 PM

TUJIAOZUO


Dear fluffy lord please let this happen.

I've always thought that Joss' work was a little too highbrow for network TV. Buffy and Angle were pretty accessible, but Firefly showed some high concept tendencies and Dollhouse was just in a league of it's own.

Cable networks like FX have more freedom, less pressure, and audiences who are pretty passionate and eager for good writing.

Gah he should have made the jump a few years ago.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:29 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
FX might be a much better fit for Joss. Edgier, grittier, smaller (but more hardcore) audiences, etc.

Re-light this dang boat already! We're ready to do the impossible again!





Signs of the Apocalypse...Agreeing again !

Ditto to all comments in this thread so far...

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:01 AM

STORYMARK


While I think Joss' serialized style is a better fit for cable.... cable tends to have much smaller budgets. I wouldn't hold my breath for another series set in the 'verse.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:15 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
FX might be a much better fit for Joss. Edgier, grittier, smaller (but more hardcore) audiences, etc.

Re-light this dang boat already! We're ready to do the impossible again!





Signs of the Apocalypse...Agreeing again !

Ditto to all comments in this thread so far...




Heck, man - that's not a sign of the Apocalypse. That's just a sign of good taste! When it comes to more Jossiness and more Firefly on TV, I think we're probably going to ALWAYS be in agreement! :)

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:19 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
While I think Joss' serialized style is a better fit for cable.... cable tends to have much smaller budgets. I wouldn't hold my breath for another series set in the 'verse.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."



But cable is indeed where the best writing is being found these days. And FX isn't exactly "low budget" when it comes to original programming, having offered up such fare as Damages, The Shield, Rescue Me, Nip/Tuck, and others. I'd be willing to bet that a show set in the 'verse of Firefly could be done semi-cheap, too. 'Course, you'd probably have to lose most of our Big Damn Crew, since they seem to be kind of in demand on other shows now...

But this is do-able. That's what I'm going to keep telling myself. :)

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:39 AM

STORYMARK


Yeah, writing thrives on cable, which is why I said it'd be a good fit.

But seriously....all those shows you mention are good shows - but none of them are in the ballpark of a science fiction show, budget wise. They are all character dramas - which are comparatively cheap.

You seem to be equating budget with quality, but that's not nessesarily true.

Spaceship sets are more expensive than a doctor's office. Costumes that must be designed and made from scratch cost more than ones that can be purchased. CG shots cost a lot period, and those other shows have few or none. Even the restrained action on Firefly is bigger than action beats on most of those other shows.

Sure, there are ways to cut corners and such, but a show like Firefly is almost always going to cost more than a show like Damages.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:17 PM

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hell the buffy reruns (back in the early '00's in the am) on FX is where i first got into the whedonverse.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:28 PM

ZEEK


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Originally posted by optimus1998:
hell the buffy reruns (back in the early '00's in the am) on FX is where i first got into the whedonverse.


What ever happened to reruns? I can't find any good old shows to watch these days. The best hope for finding some random good TV is old movies randomly popping up.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
there are ways to cut corners and such...


This is a perfect lead-in to my mentioning the obvious: Battlestar Galactica of the spaceship sets and cgi battles and famously eight-sided paper

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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:05 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:

What ever happened to reruns? I can't find any good old shows to watch these days. The best hope for finding some random good TV is old movies randomly popping up.



DVD.

Once full season sets became the norm, ratings for reruns dropped, so they have become less useful from a station's POV.

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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:38 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Yeah, writing thrives on cable, which is why I said it'd be a good fit.

But seriously....all those shows you mention are good shows - but none of them are in the ballpark of a science fiction show, budget wise. They are all character dramas - which are comparatively cheap.

You seem to be equating budget with quality, but that's not nessesarily true.

Spaceship sets are more expensive than a doctor's office. Costumes that must be designed and made from scratch cost more than ones that can be purchased. CG shots cost a lot period, and those other shows have few or none. Even the restrained action on Firefly is bigger than action beats on most of those other shows.

Sure, there are ways to cut corners and such, but a show like Firefly is almost always going to cost more than a show like Damages.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."



Granted, Mark, but you misread me if you think I mistake budget for quality.

The key to ANY of those shows - and to Firefly, really - is that they are character-driven shows, first and foremost. Yes, sci-fi sets are going to be more pricey, but once you HAVE the sets and the wardrobe, it's essentially a one-time cost. The biggest chunks of the rest of the budget go to the large ensemble cast (now minus Wash & Book) and the CGI stuff.

So focus on the characters and stories, keep the CGI and "atmospherics" (exterior spaceship shots, etc.) to a minimum, and you can help hold the line on budget.

Still, though, it IS likely to be as big a budget as "Damages" (You don't think Glenn Close, William Hurt, and Ted Danson come that cheap, do you?).

And that last bit actually makes a pretty good case for an all-new cast. If you don't have to pay the Nathan Fillion-dollars to lure him away from Castle, there's all the more money to put towards sets, wardrobe, and CGI. And story. Always there's the writing to consider.

In honesty, I don't know what kind of salaries our crew are pulling on their other various shows these days. But I'll bet you all of their salaries that they get paid more than a group of unknowns would.


This is in no way a push to dump our BDH and re-light the Firefly with an all-new crew; I'm just pointing out ONE of the ways in which Joss COULD do something 'verse-worthy.

Who knows? It could be a Buffy reboot, or a Spike movie. Or Ripper. Or more Dollhouse. It's up in the air, but the suspense is delicious. :)

Mike

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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:44 AM

ZEEK


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Or more Dollhouse.


Bite your tongue...errr fingers!

I'm going to stick with the word "new" in the rumors. I'm fine with Joss trying something new. Even if it didn't work out so well with that series that shall not be named.

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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:19 AM

STORYMARK


Dollhouse
Dollhouse
Dollhouse
Dollhouse

Ooops, looks like I went and named it. Now squirm.

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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:39 AM

KWICKO

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Yuppers, that's the rub - what's "New"? The tension is killing me.

Will it be a cop show? Will it be a musical? Joss LOVES him some musicals, and the success of Glee can't have gone unnoticed at Fox. Will Joss be doing a reboot of Cop Rock, only edgier, in fitting with the FX Network's image?

The mind reels.

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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:49 AM

STORYMARK


Cop Rock...LOL.... let's hope not.

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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:28 AM

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Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:01 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Joss LOVES him some musicals, and the success of Glee can't have gone unnoticed at Fox. Will Joss be doing a reboot of Cop Rock, only edgier, in fitting with the FX Network's image?

Paging Doctor Horrible. . .

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