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Monday, July 4, 2005 10:18 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


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But a great shot of the rose windows would also be gorgeous. Ooh, and all the statues of the kings and all that good alchemy stuff.


Also known as "The Money" shot. ;)

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Yeah, it's a bit difficult, but I know some Spanish so it's a lot easier than I thought it'd be. I still can't conjugate a verb to save my life, but in context I can easily figure it out. I just want to get a feel for it in the original language.

Ok now you're scaring me... I know some spanish too. A very, very little amount. It was my first language, but sadly having lived here in England I've forgotten a great deal although, I understand a lot of it. I'm just unable to respond in time :(

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I agree...brilliant newcomers are always fun. Although I do love Liam Neeson.


Yep. That's what makes Firefly so good, and what is going to impress me the most about the release of Serenity.

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Hahaha hopefully. His life would be better for it. I prefer classics as well..as much as I love Hemingway and some modern stuff (Harry Potter!), going way back to Greek mythology and through the Romantic period just gets to me a lot more.


Good grief! I'm right there with you. I love Mythology! I'm writing one of my own. I've not read any Harry Potter though, the films kinda put me off, but I like Hemingway. "A Farewell to Arms" is one of my favourites. It's just so unusally worded. What about Marquez? Have you read any of his? One Hundred Years Of Solitude is my all time favourite book, but almost anything he does I love.

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 6:08 PM

AIRYLLI


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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Also known as "The Money" shot. ;)



Hee!

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Ok now you're scaring me... I know some spanish too. A very, very little amount. It was my first language, but sadly having lived here in England I've forgotten a great deal although, I understand a lot of it. I'm just unable to respond in time :(


Whoa, that's weird...yeah, I'm not too good with the speaking part so much. I was in Spain for a bit last year for spring break and I improved a whole lot, but then I went back to school and it all went bye-bye. But..England! I want to go there. I'm stuck in the States..oh joy..

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Yep. That's what makes Firefly so good, and what is going to impress me the most about the release of Serenity.


Exactly..I. Cannot. Wait. September should be in the middle of summer, I've decided.

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Good grief! I'm right there with you. I love Mythology! I'm writing one of my own. I've not read any Harry Potter though, the films kinda put me off, but I like Hemingway. "A Farewell to Arms" is one of my favourites. It's just so unusally worded. What about Marquez? Have you read any of his? One Hundred Years Of Solitude is my all time favourite book, but almost anything he does I love.


Hey, I wrote a myth once! Granted, I was in like 6th grade and it was about why the sky was blue and white, and I think I "borrowed" from a Chinese story I read once . What are you writing about? Yeah, the Harry Potter movies are..tons and tons of fun, but only if you read the books first and don't take the movies too seriously. Try them, I think you'll enjoy them. I see some Whedon in Ms. Rowling.

I haven't yet read "Farewell to Arms," although I think that's one of my summer projects. I've read bunches of short stories by him though, which I absolutely love..except for the Nick Adams ones. Aside from one or two, I wasn't so much a fan of those.

I think I read a couple short stories by Marquez last year in class, which I really enjoyed, but I started One Hundred Years of Solitude and couldn't get through it. But I started it when I was really young, so I think it was just too early for me. I've heard he's a bit like Hemingway...is that true? If so, I'll definitely have to give him another chance. Have you read anything by Federico Garcia Lorca? I'm not certain a lot of his stuff has been translated, since poetry's a bit difficult to do, but he's really brilliant. Oh, actually, he wrote "The House of Bernarda Alba" which I think was made into an English movie. That was pretty good too.

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Ace chatting with you.


Right back at you! I think I'll go work on that screenplay now...

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 9:06 PM

HASUFEL


A few repeat votes first:

Notre Dame - exactly. And will never happen. (sigh)

Pern - I have quiet hopes that now that Ronald Moore is in with BSG on the SciFi Channel, he might get to resurrect his Pern series and get to do it right. One can always dream.

And for my own addition -

Rendezvous With Rama (Arthur C. Clarke). Probably wouldn't work or would be changed to be unrecognizable. Clarke has a way with "dangerous, not sinister", but Hollywood just doesn't get that. Morgan Freeman has actually been shopping this as a movie property for some time, but it doesn't look like anything will come of it. ( http://www.rendezvouswithrama.com)

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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 5:55 AM

AIRYLLI


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Originally posted by Hasufel:
A few repeat votes first:

Notre Dame - exactly. And will never happen. (sigh)



Aww hey now, if someone (or I) ends up writing a really good screenplay, finding a good and willing director, a perfect and preferably unknown cast, a helpful producer, and a non-evil sponsor/movie release company thingy, it could happen possibly.

Yeah, guess not..

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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 6:21 AM

ZEEK


Well pretty much everything I would like to see has already been mentioned.

Enders Game - though I don't think they could possibly do it justice.

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - though I don't think it would get the budget to do it justice.

Neverwhere - I think it could do well considering how the Harry Potter movies do.

the only ones I didn't see previously mentioned:
Timothy Zahn's Star Wars trilogy. He did a far better job capturing the feel of the original trilogy than Lucas ever did. I would still like to see them as movies even though the cast is getting too old now.

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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 7:02 AM

WEICHI


I really liked "The Sparrow" by Mary Doria Russell (not sure of the authors name). Its a nice 'first contact' story, we recieve transmissions from a doable solar system, while the UN argues the Jesuits send a mission. Would not exactly be an action movie but good science, I thought.

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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 9:57 AM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


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Originally posted by Zeek:
Neverwhere - I think it could do well considering how the Harry Potter movies do.


Neverwhere is a 6-part miniseries http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115288/ . I bought it without having read the books, but didn't like it.

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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 12:34 PM

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Whoa, that's weird...yeah, I'm not too good with the speaking part so much. I was in Spain for a bit last year for spring break and I improved a whole lot, but then I went back to school and it all went bye-bye. But..England! I want to go there. I'm stuck in the States..oh joy..


I have a no excuse really; I grew up in Paraguay and as I was only three at the time Spanish was my first language, with the native guarani being me second. When we came back to England, I was nine, I spoke little English. However because I kept being teased at school I made a strong effort to learn English very quickly, and somehow somewhere along the way, my Spanish just left me, or I rejected it I don't know... :( It's kinda there but not in a good way.

As for England - well I guess it's worth a visit... It has it's moments no doubt. I live in the countryside and I love it here, but it took me time to settle with England - the attitude is very different to what I grew up with in Latin America.

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Exactly..I. Cannot. Wait. September should be in the middle of summer, I've decided.


He, he. Yeah I'm excited about Serenity. I converted my two best friends to Firefly, and we're going together to watch Serenity on it's release. It's going to be a hoot!

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Hey, I wrote a myth once! Granted, I was in like 6th grade and it was about why the sky was blue and white, and I think I "borrowed" from a Chinese story I read once . What are you writing about?

Excellent!!! Wow I'm impressed. Have you stopped writing?

I started mine thirteen years ago. My approach is to just keep on adding to it. It's become, in it's own little way, quite dense. It's really a reaction to events I've expericed, that I then transpose onto make believe characters, creatures and landscapes through a muddle of poetry and prose and plain old simple storytelling. As I was quite young when I started it it initially began more as a jilted man's handbook, but it's moved on since then.

However as my influences were and are very much things like Hugo,Marquez, Cervantez and Galliano it's tragic for the most part.



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Yeah, the Harry Potter movies are..tons and tons of fun, but only if you read the books first and don't take the movies too seriously. Try them, I think you'll enjoy them. I see some Whedon in Ms. Rowling.


Friends have told me this - but I think there's too much hype presently for me to enjoy it just yet, so I'm waiting for some silence. Then I'll tackle them.

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I haven't yet read "Farewell to Arms," although I think that's one of my summer projects. I've read bunches of short stories by him though, which I absolutely love..except for the Nick Adams ones. Aside from one or two, I wasn't so much a fan of those.


A farewell to Arms is just such an unusual book. It tells the story by the omission of words. That sounds crazy, but if you read it you'll see what I mean. The language of it is irregular, clipped even... Give it a whirl.

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I think I read a couple short stories by Marquez last year in class, which I really enjoyed, but I started One Hundred Years of Solitude and couldn't get through it. But I started it when I was really young, so I think it was just too early for me. I've heard he's a bit like Hemingway...is that true?


It may not be an age thing. I read it when I was young and recently I gave it to my best friend to read and he couldn't get through it either, and he's now thirty. No I think it's just maybe one of those things. Magical Realism isn't everyones cup of tea, it may just be that way with you also.

To help it may be worth trying Chronicle of a death Foretold first. This is somewhat easier and perhaps more accessible to start with... I dunno. Could be worth a go.

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Have you read anything by Federico Garcia Lorca? I'm not certain a lot of his stuff has been translated, since poetry's a bit difficult to do, but he's really brilliant. Oh, actually, he wrote "The House of Bernarda Alba" which I think was made into an English movie. That was pretty good too.


Crickey. You're just pushing all my buttons aren't you :) Yeah I like Lorca, and Casa de Bernada Alba I read for my English lit exams waaaaay back when I took my "A"Levels and we went to see the play, which then starred a little known actress by the name of 'Helena Bonham-Carter'!... Trouble is though that my mother always told me how much you loose in the translation, and so I've always felt I'm reading a slightly jarred version of his work.

One for when I re-learn Spanish!

Sorry for the late reply on this one - I've had problems all day logging in?!!?

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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 1:01 PM

ANFA


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Neverwhere is a 6-part miniseries, available in regions 1 & 2. I bought it without having read the books, but didn't like it.


The BBC version - bless them, anyway - did it less than justice. Read the book!! It has so much potential, if someone had time and money . . . Anyway, (to loosely quote Jayne) if wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak!


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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 1:20 PM

ASTRAGYNIA


Ooh, Neverwhere - I really, really like that book. I like the BBC series, too, but it - uh, how shall I put this - requires a fair amount of imagination and forgiveness to get around some of the low-budget-ness, terribly bad fight-choreography (to the point where you can't always tell that a fight was going on) and tacky music.

I heard a rumour somewhere that a movie of it was proposed, but the producers wanted to set it in New York City, so Neil Gaiman said no. I mean, New York!?!? Neverwhere without London just wouldn't be Neverwhere. It would be like doing Firefly without the ship.

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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 1:29 PM

AIRYLLI


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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I have a no excuse really; I grew up in Paraguay and as I was only three at the time Spanish was my first language, with the native guarani being me second. When we came back to England, I was nine, I spoke little English. However because I kept being teased at school I made a strong effort to learn English very quickly, and somehow somewhere along the way, my Spanish just left me, or I rejected it I don't know... :( It's kinda there but not in a good way.



That's a bit like with me and Korean..I moved to the states when I was 4/5 and learned English then and now I can speak both, but I'm way more proficient with English. I really wish I could be more fluent, especially now that we've moved back to Asialand.

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As for England - well I guess it's worth a visit... It has it's moments no doubt. I live in the countryside and I love it here, but it took me time to settle with England - the attitude is very different to what I grew up with in Latin America.


Yeah, I can see that...Also, I hear London is crazy crazy expensive. Not healthy for a wallet of my size.

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He, he. Yeah I'm excited about Serenity. I converted my two best friends to Firefly, and we're going together to watch Serenity on it's release. It's going to be a hoot!


That's pretty awesome! I've brainwashed some of my cousins and I had a friend randomly IM me from Hong Kong saying, "But what I don't understand is..Why do they all keep trying to speak Chinese?" :P Hopefully, I'll be able to convince some more of my friends once I go back to school in the fall..just in time for Serenity!

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Excellent!!! Wow I'm impressed. Have you stopped writing?

I started mine thirteen years ago. My approach is to just keep on adding to it. It's become, in it's own little way, quite dense. It's really a reaction to events I've expericed, that I then transpose onto make believe characters, creatures and landscapes through a muddle of poetry and prose and plain old simple storytelling. As I was quite young when I started it it initially began more as a jilted man's handbook, but it's moved on since then.

However as my influences were and are very much things like Hugo,Marquez, Cervantez and Galliano it's tragic for the most part.



Heh yeah, it was a lot of fun. I still write every now and then and plan to do a whole lot of it during the summer, when I have more time. Currently, I'm working on a couple of projects, one of them being a..well, I don't know how to describe it, really. I guess the premise is a bit like the Alchemist in that it's about just a boy, but in my story he grows up to be the historical Muslim ruler who built most of La Alhambra. It's a mix of history and fiction, with a lot of mythical/fantastic elements on the way. I think I may have to rewrite the entire thing though; I started it around last year and I only have the very beginning of it done, but so far, the writing is just kind of...bad. So yeah, more work on that is desperately needed. It does end quite tragically though. Haha yeah, I think all of this reading has influenced me way too much in the art of literary sadism/masochism.

Your project sounds really interesting...any chance of you posting it anywhere? I would love to read it. Dense mythology is always the best kind; just look at Tolkein.


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Friends have told me this - but I think there's too much hype presently for me to enjoy it just yet, so I'm waiting for some silence. Then I'll tackle them.


Haha that's actually quite prudent. I'm that way with a lot of things...I think because I grew up around Star Trek-crazy people, I've successfully avoided it my entire life.

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A farewell to Arms is just such an unusual book. It tells the story by the omission of words. That sounds crazy, but if you read it you'll see what I mean. The language of it is irregular, clipped even... Give it a whirl.


You know, that's a great way of describing Hemingway. I took a Hemingway and Fitzgerald course last spring, and one of the projects was to write short stories in the style of Hemingway and it was hard. I mean I naturally write short, simple, terse sentences and I hate adding phrases like "he said", but doing it Hemingway-style was still very difficult. I'm definitely going to read Farewell to Arms though; I've heard all sorts of good things about it.

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It may not be an age thing. I read it when I was young and recently I gave it to my best friend to read and he couldn't get through it either, and he's now thirty. No I think it's just maybe one of those things. Magical Realism isn't everyones cup of tea, it may just be that way with you also.

To help it may be worth trying Chronicle of a death Foretold first. This is somewhat easier and perhaps more accessible to start with... I dunno. Could be worth a go.



Magical Realism, huh? That actually sounds pretty interesting. I don't know...I guess I'll give it another whirl. Is Chronicle of a death Foretold a novel? Maybe a short one? :P If so, I think I'd better start with that one.



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Crickey. You're just pushing all my buttons aren't you :) Yeah I like Lorca, and Casa de Bernada Alba I read for my English lit exams waaaaay back when I took my "A"Levels and we went to see the play, which then starred a little known actress by the name of 'Helena Bonham-Carter'!... Trouble is though that my mother always told me how much you loose in the translation, and so I've always felt I'm reading a slightly jarred version of his work.

One for when I re-learn Spanish!



Helena Bonham-Carter, eh? That's pretty awesome! Yeah, a lot of English interpretations I've read lose a lot in translation, so much so that I dislike reading them, but the movie version of Casa de Bernarda Alba was surprisingly accurate, and not just in a textbook way..it actually gave a feel for the original language. But that could just be Lorca; I find his plays pretty straightforward, if not his poetry.


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Sorry for the late reply on this one - I've had problems all day logging in?!!?


Haha no worries; I just flew into San Francisco to go college visiting, so I haven't been able to check a computer until now.

Cheers!

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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 1:29 PM

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Originally posted by Astragynia:
Ooh, Neverwhere - I really, really like that book. I like the BBC series, too, but it - uh, how shall I put this - requires a fair amount of imagination and forgiveness to get around some of the low-budget-ness, terribly bad fight-choreography (to the point where you can't always tell that a fight was going on) and tacky music.

I heard a rumour somewhere that a movie of it was proposed, but the producers wanted to set it in New York City, so Neil Gaiman said no. I mean, New York!?!? Neverwhere without London just wouldn't be Neverwhere. It would be like doing Firefly without the ship.



I agree, but on the other hand, I wouldn't mind, if a first Neverwhere movie does well, a sequel heading for New York's Below or that of another city, since it did seem to be set up for it (hell, if they could make a Neverwhere TV series and they had to set it in NY Below, I'd be happy with that, so long as it was an actual sequel to the story that took place in London).

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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 1:30 PM

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I mean, New York!?!? Neverwhere without London just wouldn't be Neverwhere. It would be like doing Firefly without the ship.


I whole heartedly agree - I mean, you'd have to change the whole thing! Half (or more) of the charm of it is that there are so many London tube landmarks for names, etc. I totally support him standing by his creation just the way it is.
Although . . .

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I agree, but on the other hand, I wouldn't mind, if a first Neverwhere movie does well, a sequel heading for New York's Below or that of another city, since it did seem to be set up for it (hell, if they could make a Neverwhere TV series and they had to set it in NY Below, I'd be happy with that, so long as it was an actual sequel to the story that took place in London).


. . . I could also get into this idea, too! Always good to be forward thinking - I commend you, Star Pilot Grainger!


Speaking of his creations, I also really liked his book, [bold]Stardust[/bold]. Hmm . . . Another good idea for a movie right there!


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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 1:58 PM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


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Originally posted by Anfa:
The BBC version - bless them, anyway - did it less than justice.


I'd been hoping for something as good as Hidden City http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095298/ -- that never came out on DVD.

HC's denouement seemed to allow for more stories. I thought it was an unsold pilot, but IMDB says it's a feature.

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Sunday, July 10, 2005 1:15 PM

AMDOBELL


My top choice would be the Vorkosigan books by Lois McMaster Bujold. They are fabulous and would make a terrific set of films. I would love to see the title character/hero, Miles Vorkosigan, played by Kevin Spacey. I would have the books to script done by J. Michael Stracynski, director Stephen Speilberg and music by John Williams.

The 'Dark Matter' books from Wizards of the Coast (only four were put in print - "In Hollow Houses", If Whispers Call", "In Fluid Silence" and "Of Aged Angels", though a fifth "By Dust Consumed" went as far as an initial print before the series was cancelled by Wizards in favour of more profitable story-to-gaming titles and I couldn't get my paws on a copy for love or money). The books are based around the Hoffman Institute and all kinds of strange and weird phenomena and creepy stuff. Absolutely excellent story telling that should have been allowed to continue. This would be a mesmerising subject for a film. If you ever see any of the books on a shelf, nab them and read them!

Katherine Kurtz 'Deryni' books would be a terrific subject as would Mary Stewarts Merlin trilogy or Nigel Tranter's historical Robert the Bruce trilogy which reduced me to tears with the power of the writing.

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Monday, July 11, 2005 12:34 PM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


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Originally posted by AMDOBELL:
Mary Stewarts Merlin trilogy


I hope they aren't even optioned for film, 'though I expect that's a doomed wish. The stories are wonderfully visual, but aach book would require hours to cover -- maybe a US-length-season of TV. I wonder if Peter Jackson would be interested? I think Richard Taylor would.

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Monday, July 11, 2005 12:49 PM

AMDOBELL


Peter Jackson would be my preference.

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Monday, July 11, 2005 1:15 PM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


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Originally posted by AMDOBELL:
Peter Jackson would be my preference.


Richard Taylor is head of Weta Workshop. PJ would definitely use Weta, but Richard also works with other directors.

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Monday, July 11, 2005 2:59 PM

IMEARLY


Piers Anthony's Apprentice Adept novels

Clive Barker's Weaveworld




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Monday, July 11, 2005 3:37 PM

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Originally posted by Jadehand:
I'd Love to see Neil Gaiman/Terry Pratchet's GOOD OMENS: the nice and accurate prophecies of Agnes Nutter, witch. I think It'd make a great movie.

I agree wholeheartedly.
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Alan Moore's "Watchmen"

As much as I would like to see Alan's vision on the big screen, Hollywood would ruin it. Maybe I'm a cynic - okay, I am - but look what They've done to him so far. I imagine you've read the original The Watchmen screen play...? Dreadful.
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Originally posted by YT:
Neverwhere is a 6-part miniseries http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115288/ . I bought it without having read the books, but didn't like it.

YT, YT, YT.... The mini-series was a valiant effort, but pales in comparison to the book (don't judge a book by its mini?). Find the BBC version of the novel (with all the good bits that the US version cut out) and forget you ever saw the mini.

I wouldn't mind terribly if They would make a good version of Neil Gaiman's Murder Mysteries. Other'n that, I can't think of anything that hasn't already been mentioned.

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Monday, July 11, 2005 5:18 PM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


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I heard a rumor that Ender's Game was being made a while back, but I haven't heard anything about it going into production.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0400403/
Screenplay by OSC, with Wolfgang Petersen attached to direct. Planned for 2007, but no updates since February 2004. It's still a rumour.

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Monday, July 11, 2005 9:19 PM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


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Glory Road ...snip...
This is a film that I've kept casting and re-casting in my head for nearly thirty years.


It may be Heinlein's most visual novel, & my favourite among those that didn't win a Hugo. Did Mandy Patinkin fit into your plans, say, ten to fifteen years back? If Christian Bale could bulk up by thirty pounds, I think he could be ECGordon (btw, he posts on this site).

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H. Beam Piper's Lone Star Planet (AKA A Planet for Texans)

I've been able to see his Space Viking, vividly, for forty years. For the past year & a quarter, when thinking of Lucas Trask, I see Malcolm Reynolds (& Nathan Fillion).

I couldn't tell either of these stories @movie length. Reckon I'd need about eight hours for Glory Road. A beautiful thing about Space Viking is that Piper's story could be just the first season, but Jerry Pournelle has the movie rights &, rumour has it, has drafted a screenplay.

Keep the Shiny Side Up . . . (wutzon) Stevie Ray Vaughan, "Sky Is Crying (Live)", from "Essential . . . "

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Monday, July 11, 2005 10:08 PM

NEUTRINOLAD


Nine Princes in Amber - please, Peter Jackson?
John Carter of Mars - Barsoom! What's not to love?
The Autobiographies of John Mortimer (Clinging To The Wreckage and the second one whose-title-I-forget-just-now) - an old style movie, in the manner of Goodbye Mr. Chips
Astonishing X-Men, current run - should be a tv series. A long running tv series.
Jesuits, by Jean Lacouture - would make a dandy documentary
Known Space Universe, Larry Niven - a series based on Niven's Known Universe tales, wow
The Dying Earth, Jack Vance - another universe rich with infinte interest.
The Physiology of Taste: Or Meditations on Transcendental Gastronomy
by Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin, M. F. K. Fisher - I have a vision of this as a 20 hour mini-series that would be rapturous

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Monday, July 11, 2005 11:39 PM

GAVIDA


Hmmm, I would love to see a "Starship Trooper" movie... NOT something losely (sp?) based on the book, but a real "Heinlein's Starship Trooper"-Movie.

I would like to see movies made from the Books:

The Dragon and the George - Gordon R. Dickson

Lucifer's Hammer - Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle

Inferno - Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle

Janissaries - Jerry Pournelle

Some others have already been mentioned:

Ringworld - Larry Niven

The Dragonlance Chronicles - Margaret Weis, Tracy Hickman

See ya,
Gavida

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:31 AM

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That's a bit like with me and Korean..I moved to the states when I was 4/5 and learned English then and now I can speak both, but I'm way more proficient with English. I really wish I could be more fluent, especially now that we've moved back to Asialand.


Hey that sounds cool. You get about a bit :)

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Yeah, I can see that...Also, I hear London is crazy crazy expensive. Not healthy for a wallet of my size.


This is true. All my friends who live in London say the same thing:
"If you have money - London's great! "

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That's pretty awesome! I've brainwashed some of my cousins and I had a friend randomly IM me from Hong Kong saying, "But what I don't understand is..Why do they all keep trying to speak Chinese?" :P Hopefully, I'll be able to convince some more of my friends once I go back to school in the fall..just in time for Serenity!


He, he.... I guess for chinese speaking people it must seem strange that they drop in the odd sentence here and there :)

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Heh yeah, it was a lot of fun. I still write every now and then and plan to do a whole lot of it during the summer, when I have more time. Currently, I'm working on a couple of projects, one of them being a..well, I don't know how to describe it, really. I guess the premise is a bit like the Alchemist in that it's about just a boy, but in my story he grows up to be the historical Muslim ruler who built most of La Alhambra. It's a mix of history and fiction, with a lot of mythical/fantastic elements on the way. I think I may have to rewrite the entire thing though; I started it around last year and I only have the very beginning of it done, but so far, the writing is just kind of...bad. So yeah, more work on that is desperately needed. It does end quite tragically though. Haha yeah, I think all of this reading has influenced me way too much in the art of literary sadism/masochism.


Keep at it. Accumulate enough so that when you come to editing it down you have enough great! stuff to keep. I think it requires being quite ruthless with your ideas - if you feel there's stuff that is "so,so" then ditch it in favour of the stuff that you think is strong. However stick with it. I've been to La Alhambra. It's beautiful. Interestingly enough some of the Seventh Voyage of Sinbad was shot there!

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Your project sounds really interesting...any chance of you posting it anywhere? I would love to read it. Dense mythology is always the best kind; just look at Tolkein.

Thanks :) however Tolkien it aint! You know I'd love to post it up on my site, but I'd feel better if I could secure it as my own on an official level first. You see I'm trying to pitch it to publishers. So I want to be secure in the knowledge that it's had no way of being reached by the outside. I know that sounds a touch 'precious' but a few years back some work I did was taken from me illegally and unfortunately through bad circumstances I wasn't able to claim anything back. Since then I've been extremely careful about things.

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Haha that's actually quite prudent. I'm that way with a lot of things...I think because I grew up around Star Trek-crazy people, I've successfully avoided it my entire life.


I can see that - it makes you 'not' want to like it doesn't it. I only found this with the later star trek derivatives. I always liked the original series, it was fun.

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You know, that's a great way of describing Hemingway. I took a Hemingway and Fitzgerald course last spring, and one of the projects was to write short stories in the style of Hemingway and it was hard. I mean I naturally write short, simple, terse sentences and I hate adding phrases like "he said", but doing it Hemingway-style was still very difficult. I'm definitely going to read Farewell to Arms though; I've heard all sorts of good things about it.


That sound slike an interesting project. I'd actually find it very difficult. I tend to over embelish sometimes :)

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Magical Realism, huh? That actually sounds pretty interesting. I don't know...I guess I'll give it another whirl. Is Chronicle of a death Foretold a novel? Maybe a short one? :P If so, I think I'd better start with that one.


In simple terms; Magical realism is the removal of factual constraints facilitating fantasy to further a story within the confines of reality :) he, he... Yep simple.

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Helena Bonham-Carter, eh? That's pretty awesome! Yeah, a lot of English interpretations I've read lose a lot in translation, so much so that I dislike reading them, but the movie version of Casa de Bernarda Alba was surprisingly accurate, and not just in a textbook way..it actually gave a feel for the original language. But that could just be Lorca; I find his plays pretty straightforward, if not his poetry.[\quote]
I'll have to try and catch that. It'll be interesting to see how they do it.

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Haha no worries; I just flew into San Francisco to go college visiting, so I haven't been able to check a computer until now.


Ooops! This time I thought it was your turn to reply, and now I've just checked and it was my turn all along. Sorry.

:)

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:00 AM

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Neverwhere would be great, though I'd like to point out that the book was based on the series as many people seem to think it was the other way around. Personally I prefered the series as the book seemed to think the reader was stupid on many occasions.


The Dark Tower would be amazing, though it'd undoubtably bomb. I agree a series might be better.

I was looking forward to I Am Legend as a film until Francis Lawrence signed on to direct, and I hear he wants Will Smith in the lead role. *Shudder*

Don Quixote would be good but PLEASE don't let Terry Gilliam make it, I love him but having Johnny Depp as a time traveller who goes back in time to meet him is just... stupid.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:50 AM

BLACKOUTNIGHTS


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Originally posted by Gavida:
Lucifer's Hammer - Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle

The Dragonlance Chronicles - Margaret Weis, Tracy Hickman

See ya,
Gavida



I absolutely loved Lucifer's Hammer. Such great visuals and such a great story. I was frankly surprised when all those meteor movies hit the theaters [Armegeddon and that other one I forget the name of] and Hollywood completely missed LH.

Dragonlance Chronicles could be real fun.

Dark Tower; The only way this could be done right ... and it's how I'd do it if I could ... would be to make the movies [and put it like this for anyone who's not read to series] take up where the books left off. Start off showing Roland with the horn. It'd make deviations from the book more tolerable and acceptable.

But, of course, the movies I'm just dying to see, and I can't believe no one has mentioned them, are Martin's Song of Ice and Fire. It'd be a task and a long commitment, but boy! What a ride! C'mon, Lewis' seven Narnia books are being adapted.

"The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."—Stephen King

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:42 AM

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I've allways thought that Simon R. Green's Deathstalker series was an anime that just happened to be in book form instead of its natural medium.

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is such a great book. I wouldn't be suprised to see Hollywood cut out the whole S-Group part though. I think you'd need a voice-over to capture all of Manny's character, but Hollywood would probably blow that off too.

CG has gotten to a point where McCaffery's Pern novels could be pulled off reasonably - at least from a technical point.

I think Jennifer Robberson's Swordancer could make a really good movie with lots of appeal.

Michael Morcock's Elric novels seem right up Tim Burton's alley.

Dragonlance would require the same level of lavish support as Lord of the Rings. And while Dragonlance does have a lot of name recognition - I don't think it has enough outside of the fantasy genre to convince Hollywood to give it that much support (now that I think about it the same goes for Pern)

Speaking of LotR and books that need to be made into movies, Peter Jackson needs to give the same treatment to The Hobbit.



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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:03 PM

AIRYLLI


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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
This is true. All my friends who live in London say the same thing:
"If you have money - London's great! "



Haha that's a great quote. I'll just have to go rob a bank or something and then I'll be all set.

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He, he.... I guess for chinese speaking people it must seem strange that they drop in the odd sentence here and there :)


Hee yes. Only I don't think she could quite understand anything they were saying .

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Keep at it. Accumulate enough so that when you come to editing it down you have enough great! stuff to keep. I think it requires being quite ruthless with your ideas - if you feel there's stuff that is "so,so" then ditch it in favour of the stuff that you think is strong. However stick with it. I've been to La Alhambra. It's beautiful. Interestingly enough some of the Seventh Voyage of Sinbad was shot there!


Yeah, I think the ruthless editing is the hardest part for me. That and the fact that I always seem to go in the direction of condescending to the audience. I'm always afraid they just won't "get it". Which is, incidentally, something I was told over and over to avoid while studying Hemingway.

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Thanks :) however Tolkien it aint! You know I'd love to post it up on my site, but I'd feel better if I could secure it as my own on an official level first. You see I'm trying to pitch it to publishers. So I want to be secure in the knowledge that it's had no way of being reached by the outside. I know that sounds a touch 'precious' but a few years back some work I did was taken from me illegally and unfortunately through bad circumstances I wasn't able to claim anything back. Since then I've been extremely careful about things.


Oh, definitely. I completely understand that..people stealing your stuff is a bitch. So yes, hide hide hide..and good luck with the publishing thing! Let me know how that goes; I've always been curious as to how exactly to go about that.


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I can see that - it makes you 'not' want to like it doesn't it. I only found this with the later star trek derivatives. I always liked the original series, it was fun.


Heh yeah, exactly. Although apparently, in order to be a real scifi fan, I'm supposed to at least know what Star Trek is about. Hee so I guess I should get on that sooner or later..

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That sound slike an interesting project. I'd actually find it very difficult. I tend to over embelish sometimes :)


Oh, me too. The editing was the hardest part; I had to chop out a lot of parts that I realized didn't sound a bit like Hemingway.

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In simple terms; Magical realism is the removal of factual constraints facilitating fantasy to further a story within the confines of reality :) he, he... Yep simple.


Real simple. :Gives Jayne's crazy ivan face from the Serenity pilot: :P

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I'll have to try and catch that. It'll be interesting to see how they do it.


Yeah, definitely check that out; I only got to see the first Act or so, but it was very well done. And the girl playing- damn, I can't even remember her name; the youngest one- did obsessed nuttiness very well.

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Ooops! This time I thought it was your turn to reply, and now I've just checked and it was my turn all along. Sorry.


Oh and one last thing... You're in San Francisco now?



Haha it's all good. I flew back from San Francisco on Saturday. Actually, I hadn't had a chance to ask you- everything okay with you over there in England? We heard about the bombings pretty late in California, and the NYTimes hadn't even had a chance to report it yet. So far, most people I know are okay, but it must be insane over there right now. Hope everything is well.

San Francisco was absolutely gorgeous; we visited Berkeley and Stanford, both of which I loved. I think so far Stanford is my first choice, which doesn't bode well for me because I think they have somethng against admitting stupid people . We'll see how that goes.

Cheers!

Airylli



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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:05 PM

AIRYLLI


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Originally posted by CaptainNapalm:
Speaking of LotR and books that need to be made into movies, Peter Jackson needs to give the same treatment to The Hobbit.



I second that. I always did love the Hobbit; I read it before anything else. And at the time, I'd never even heard of anything like "Lord of the Rings", so when the movies came out, I was like whoa, that sounds like this book I read one time...

Yuhuh. I was twelve. So sue me.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:34 PM

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airylii wrote:
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Haha that's a great quote. I'll just have to go rob a bank or something and then I'll be all set.


Cool - I'll be the getaway Driver!

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Hee yes. Only I don't think she could quite understand anything they were saying .


That's pretty funny really, because the way it's acted you almost believe you know what's said. Interesting :)

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Yeah, I think the ruthless editing is the hardest part for me. That and the fact that I always seem to go in the direction of condescending to the audience. I'm always afraid they just won't "get it". Which is, incidentally, something I was told over and over to avoid while studying Hemingway.


You know one thing i did to combat this was to write in prose, or the poetry. It tends to force you to refine your words. I worked for me on one or two projects.

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Let me know how that goes; I've always been curious as to how exactly to go about that.


Yeah me aswell. So far I haven't reached any conclusions other than blind luck! But thanks for the best wishes... That's very kind of you.

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Heh yeah, exactly. Although apparently, in order to be a real scifi fan, I'm supposed to at least know what Star Trek is about. Hee so I guess I should get on that sooner or later..


The last star trek I saw I really thought was bad. Whichever film that was I forgotten now, but I think I fell asleep towards the end. Pity really because I quite like the guy who plays Picard (Patrick Stewart)

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Real simple. :Gives Jayne's crazy ivan face from the Serenity pilot: :P



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Yeah, definitely check that out; I only got to see the first Act or so, but it was very well done. And the girl playing- damn, I can't even remember her name; the youngest one- did obsessed nuttiness very well.


Was that Adela? was she the obsessed one?

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Haha it's all good. I flew back from San Francisco on Saturday. Actually, I hadn't had a chance to ask you- everything okay with you over there in England? We heard about the bombings pretty late in California, and the NYTimes hadn't even had a chance to report it yet. So far, most people I know are okay, but it must be insane over there right now. Hope everything is well.


Well you know it's not that different to what we all grew up with over here. You see since I've lived in England we've always had terrorist threats. A few years ago it was the IRA that reaked terror for 25 or so years, and as a kid I remember going into London knowing that there was a chance of a bombing! Now It always scared me of course, but at the same time - you rationalise the fact that there's a greater chance of being run over than there is being a victim of a bombing attack. However I must stress I don't live in London, I live relatively nearby but I'm far enough away not to be affected directly, unless as I say I take a trip into the Capital. My friends though seem suitably philosophical about it. In simple terms, they're not that troubled by it.

That said my heart sank for all those people who lost there lives... It's not a way to die. It's very tragic.

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San Francisco was absolutely gorgeous; we visited Berkeley and Stanford, both of which I loved. I think so far Stanford is my first choice, which doesn't bode well for me because I think they have somethng against admitting stupid people . We'll see how that goes.



Ahh you're not stoopid! I wish you the best with your choice.

Cheers
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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:51 PM

MANWITHPEZ

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Book into film, huh?

I'll start with a little hard to find number called Nightblood, by T. Chris Martindale. That book is what Blade could have been...You know, if he'd been white, human, and a Vietnam vet...I'd want John Carpenter on that one...Kurt Russell could play Stiles, a vet on a mission to find a thing so evil, that when it killed his brother, his brother was doomed to stay in limbo forever...

Bring Me The Head of Prince Charming...Hard to pull off, but, man, if enough people with sardonic senses of humor (why do I think that just about all the population of this site counts?) got together, it could be done...A fun little book...Not unlike Shrek, actually...

The Dark Knight Returns...I'd love to see it...but, damn would it be impossible...Maybe animated...

The Secret Tapes of FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper...Twin Peaks was interesting enough on its own, but this book has David Lynch written all over it!

The Dark Tower 1: The Gunslinger. I'm not interested in seeing any of the others, because this one has the least amount of cast in it...But, these would be so very easy to screw up...

The Horn Series...Sci Fi pulp noir (almost), about a cop with a cybernetic robot arm...(Has that been done already?)

It'll never happen in my lifetime, but I wouldn't mind seeing the orignal Sinister Six vs Spider-Man.

Worth Winning...Actually, someone did take the basic premise and make a movie of this book, but didn't come close to doing it justice. This is a vicious book about a man who takes a bet to become engaged to three women at once...Which might be fine, until they all find out without his knowledge...

The Phantom of the Opera...Make the book, people!!! MAKE THE BOOK!!!

Necroscope...Take The Sixth Sense, and add some balls to it, and you'll get this fantastic series of books...That seems to be written very cinematically.

Tortilla Flats...Has this been made? I'm not sure...But, I love the simple nature that Steinbeck put in this...

And, I'll be back with some more later...

Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:07 AM

AIRYLLI


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Book into film, huh?


The Phantom of the Opera...Make the book, people!!! MAKE THE BOOK!!!




I hear Universal is actually getting on that. Should be out in a couple of years if it goes well.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:27 AM

THEREAVER


I would like to see a movie of 'Concrete Dreams' by Chris Mansell. Unfortunately this would be impossible as I haven't finished yet although it is quite good if I do say so myself.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:57 PM

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airylii wrote:

Cool - I'll be the getaway Driver!



Nice! Now we need a plan, or some such nonsense.

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That's pretty funny really, because the way it's acted you almost believe you know what's said. Interesting :)


Haha yeah. I think it was the pronunciation that threw her off.

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You know one thing i did to combat this was to write in prose, or the poetry. It tends to force you to refine your words. I worked for me on one or two projects.


I find that actually works quite well. I did the reverse one time, fleshing out a poem into a short story and I found that I had said everything so much better and much more succintly in the poem. Figures.

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The last star trek I saw I really thought was bad. Whichever film that was I forgotten now, but I think I fell asleep towards the end. Pity really because I quite like the guy who plays Picard (Patrick Stewart)


Patrick Stewart...isn't he Xavier in X-Men?

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Was that Adela? was she the obsessed one?


Yes! That's her name. Man, I hated her character.

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Well you know it's not that different to what we all grew up with over here. You see since I've lived in England we've always had terrorist threats. A few years ago it was the IRA that reaked terror for 25 or so years, and as a kid I remember going into London knowing that there was a chance of a bombing! Now It always scared me of course, but at the same time - you rationalise the fact that there's a greater chance of being run over than there is being a victim of a bombing attack. However I must stress I don't live in London, I live relatively nearby but I'm far enough away not to be affected directly, unless as I say I take a trip into the Capital. My friends though seem suitably philosophical about it. In simple terms, they're not that troubled by it.


You know, I think that's become the universal mentality; to just live with it. I was living right outside of the city when 9.11 happened and I was in Spain the time of the Madrid bombings (woohoo for good location picking..go me..) and that's basically what everyone was like. Good to hear you're okay though.

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That said my heart sank for all those people who lost there lives... It's not a way to die. It's very tragic.


Absolutely..it all just makes me so mad. I was quite impressed by Blair and his handling of the situation though; he went right back to the issue on poverty without maniacally declaring war on another country. Ahem..

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Ahh you're not stoopid! I wish you the best with your choice.


Haha thanks very much. Here's to the white devils that are college applications.

Cheers!

Airylli

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 5:10 AM

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airylii wrote:

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I find that actually works quite well. I did the reverse one time, fleshing out a poem into a short story and I found that I had said everything so much better and much more succintly in the poem. Figures.


Isn't that always the way... Still a useful lesson learned no doubt.

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Patrick Stewart...isn't he Xavier in X-Men?

Yup that be him. He does an ad voiceover here in the uk, and he has a great voice. Really deep and lush, like liquid gold... I always listen out for great voices and he's amoung the best going.

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Yes! That's her name. Man, I hated her character.

....I've dated a few women like that... Not nice.

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You know, I think that's become the universal mentality; to just live with it. I was living right outside of the city when 9.11 happened and I was in Spain the time of the Madrid bombings (woohoo for good location picking..go me..) and that's basically what everyone was like. Good to hear you're okay though.


Crickey!!! That's alarming for you! But yeah generally I believe the public are just continuing as normal.... I mean in all reality we have little choice.... You can't run and hide, so you just continue.

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Absolutely..it all just makes me so mad. I was quite impressed by Blair and his handling of the situation though; he went right back to the issue on poverty without maniacally declaring war on another country. Ahem..

Well us brits have had centuries to hone our 'stiff upper lipped' skills. It's pretty much second nature to us.

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Haha thanks very much. Here's to the white devils that are college applications.


Indeed. I raise a glass in your general direction and salute your application.
Good Luck.

TheSomnambulist.

P.S. it's amazing where a simple discussion on a favourite book will get you.

Hurray for Notre Dame of Paris!

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:07 AM

BLACKOUTNIGHTS


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Originally posted by airylli:
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Originally posted by CaptainNapalm:
Speaking of LotR and books that need to be made into movies, Peter Jackson needs to give the same treatment to The Hobbit.



I second that. I always did love the Hobbit; I read it before anything else. And at the time, I'd never even heard of anything like "Lord of the Rings", so when the movies came out, I was like whoa, that sounds like this book I read one time...

Yuhuh. I was twelve. So sue me.



HA! I was in the second grade when me dad gave me The Hobbit to read. I loved it, and when I got through I told dad, "I really like Bilbo's ring." He just silently nodded and scratched his chin before asking me to follow him. He introduced me to LotR, and I was enthralled. Read them sitting in class and my teacher told my mother if she let me read the books I'd turn out 'weird.'

If only my mother would have listened. Ack!

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:34 PM

AIRYLLI


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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

Isn't that always the way... Still a useful lesson learned no doubt.





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Yup that be him. He does an ad voiceover here in the uk, and he has a great voice. Really deep and lush, like liquid gold... I always listen out for great voices and he's amoung the best going.


Oh, I know what you mean...Another voice I love is Clive Owen's. I think he'd make reading a phonebook sound interesting.

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....I've dated a few women like that... Not nice.


Good grief, I'm so sorry. I don't think I've found a male counterpart like that and hopefully I never, ever will. :P

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Crickey!!! That's alarming for you! But yeah generally I believe the public are just continuing as normal.... I mean in all reality we have little choice.... You can't run and hide, so you just continue.


Yeah...We can't all live in bomb shelters for our entire lives :suddenly remembers Nathan Fillion's cameo in Blast from the Past:.

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Well us brits have had centuries to hone our 'stiff upper lipped' skills. It's pretty much second nature to us.


Hahaha good on you...if only we had some more of that over here.



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Thank you!


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P.S. it's amazing where a simple discussion on a favourite book will get you.

Hurray for Notre Dame of Paris!



Hahaha exactly. Incidentally, I was rereading the book the other day trying to figure out how one would write a screenplay...NOT as easy as one would think. Damn Hugo and his obsession with saving high gothic cathedrals....



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Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:37 PM

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HA! I was in the second grade when me dad gave me The Hobbit to read. I loved it, and when I got through I told dad, "I really like Bilbo's ring." He just silently nodded and scratched his chin before asking me to follow him. He introduced me to LotR, and I was enthralled. Ack!



Hee! Bet you didn't like his ring so much afterwards...Incidentally, how come he wasn't affected like Frodo was?

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Read them sitting in class and my teacher told my mother if she let me read the books I'd turn out 'weird.'

If only my mother would have listened.



Aw honey! Well, at least you didn't turn out "normal". :shudder:

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:20 PM

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If I had the power, I'd get Reading Lolita in Tehran made yesterday! Ang Lee's entire filmography has been building up to this kind of multi-cultural, multi-narative masterpiece. I would love to see his versions of the scenes from The Great Gatsby, Lolita, Daisy Miller, Pride and Prejudice, etc. that inform the main story. It would be a real tour de force. And the memoir of being a female literature professor at the University of Tehran through the Islamic Revolution and the war with Iraq would be amazing and so, so timely.

I think A Song of Ice and Fire needs to be an HBO miniseries because Peter Dinklage was born to play Tyrion Lanister.

All the Phillip Marlowe novels should be slavishly adapted to the screen.

The Earth Sea Trilogy plus Tehanu would be amazing to see, if only producers could trust the material. I had such high hopes after LoTR that folks in Hollywood would get it that good books make good movies ifyou trust the material and simply shoot the story. Yes, change the text where absolutely necessary, but great, beloved classics are great and beloved for a reason: the stories.

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:40 PM

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airylii wrote:
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Oh, I know what you mean...Another voice I love is Clive Owen's. I think he'd make reading a phonebook sound interesting.

Oh I'll have to listen out for him. I hadn't noticed before. Another fav is Michale Gambon, and Jonathan Price, and Chrisopher Lee of course. Have you heard the way he says "Sleepy Hollow".... It's fantastic!

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Good grief, I'm so sorry. I don't think I've found a male counterpart like that and hopefully I never, ever will. :P


I say a few it's only been two, but that's enough for me... Lets just say I hope you never do either.

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Yeah...We can't all live in bomb shelters for our entire lives :suddenly remembers Nathan Fillion's cameo in Blast from the Past:.


You know I saw that just the other day, it was on TV. I wasn't really paying attention, I think I was writing an email, and it was on in the background, then I heard his voice! I recognised him straight away then turned to the tv to see and yup there he was picking a fight with Brendon Fraser.... Strange huh! It's sort of strange seeing him next to Alicia Sylverstone?!?!

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Hahaha good on you...if only we had some more of that over here.

He, he... I bet you think we're like Giles or Wesley now :)

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Hahaha exactly. Incidentally, I was rereading the book the other day trying to figure out how one would write a screenplay...NOT as easy as one would think. Damn Hugo and his obsession with saving high gothic cathedrals....


I was doing this last time I read it. What I've done is to place post - it notes at the beginning and ending to key moments of drama/action/dialogue etc and disregard much exposition about the time or flowery prose about Paris... As we were talking about earlier, I concentrated on Gringoire aswell. He's the best character as he gets around a bit more.
That said it isn't easy at all and lately I've been wondering if I shouldn't take the stance more from the point of view of Esmeralda. This would allow me the chance to make Quasimodo more of a shadowy figure. A kind of mysterious 'Batman' type that is revealed to us through Esmeralda... I'm not sure though.... It's such a tricky choice. On one hand Gringoire has so much comedy around him that it's a great way to follow the story, however I wonder if some of the drama and tragedy would fall flat when it came to it.... What do you think?

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:59 PM

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Oh I'll have to listen out for him. I hadn't noticed before. Another fav is Michale Gambon, and Jonathan Price, and Chrisopher Lee of course. Have you heard the way he says "Sleepy Hollow".... It's fantastic!



Ah yes..also excellent voices. When does Lee say "Sleepy Hollow"? I can't say I'm familiar with that. I loved Richard Harris' voice as well. He always sounded so...wise. But then that's probably because the only film's of his I have in recent memory are Gladiator and the first Harry Potter films.

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I say a few it's only been two, but that's enough for me... Lets just say I hope you never do either.


Hahaha. I'll run away at first glance.

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You know I saw that just the other day, it was on TV. I wasn't really paying attention, I think I was writing an email, and it was on in the background, then I heard his voice! I recognised him straight away then turned to the tv to see and yup there he was picking a fight with Brendon Fraser.... Strange huh! It's sort of strange seeing him next to Alicia Sylverstone?!?!


Isn't that weird? The first time I saw the film I didn't even notice it, and when other people pointed it out to me, I was like holy crap! Heh. It'll be weird to see him in a horror flick like Slither; the only characters I can see him as are as Mal and an evil preacher.

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He, he... I bet you think we're like Giles or Wesley now :)


Yes! Non-prick-like watchers! That is, of course, excluding the first seasons of Giles and Wesley.

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I was doing this last time I read it. What I've done is to place post - it notes at the beginning and ending to key moments of drama/action/dialogue etc and disregard much exposition about the time or flowery prose about Paris... As we were talking about earlier, I concentrated on Gringoire aswell. He's the best character as he gets around a bit more.
That said it isn't easy at all and lately I've been wondering if I shouldn't take the stance more from the point of view of Esmeralda. This would allow me the chance to make Quasimodo more of a shadowy figure. A kind of mysterious 'Batman' type that is revealed to us through Esmeralda... I'm not sure though.... It's such a tricky choice. On one hand Gringoire has so much comedy around him that it's a great way to follow the story, however I wonder if some of the drama and tragedy would fall flat when it came to it.... What do you think?



Ooh, I so wanted to put post-its all over the book, but alas, I was on an airplane and none were to be found. I think one really must disregard all that flowery prose, as you said. At the same time though, I really do want to preserve the original intent of the novel, which was to preserve Notre Dame. I think the chapter "Ceci tuera cela" is really important, although how one would go about really depicting the essence of that is a mystery to me. Possibly why Hugo made this a novel instead of a play.

I really would love the focus to be on Gringoire, and I think you're intention of Quasimodo as Batman through Esmeralda is brilliant. Most of the adaptations I've seen focus on Quasimodo and Esmeralda as the main characters, but in the book, Quasimodo really is a very shadowy figure. I'd seen the Disney version before reading the novel, so throughout the first 2/3 of the book, I was like, where the hell is the hunchback? We really don't see too much of him until the end. So I think the focus really should be on Gringoire. And Frollo, of course. I feel like Esmeralda's really a foil for everyone else and the cathedral. It's as if Hugo set out to save a great gothic work of art and just happened to have a great Romantic tragedy as a by-accident. Figures. :P

As for the actual tragic elements, I think they'd actually work quite well with Gringoire. Because while he is a comic and sometimes even flat character, I feel like he's the most human. What was Hugo's description of him? Something about him being one of the few people who could steer a middle course through everything. I can't remember the exact line. But anyway, I think the fact that by the end,

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Gringoire doesn't want to have anything to do whatsoever with all of the excitement in Paris around Esmeralda, and that he's willing to save Djali over her, is a real indicator of something to do with the human condition. So I think the tragedy at the end is actually a fitting backdrop, and adds to the fact that he could have done something but didn't.



Well that all makes sense in my head anyway; I have to organize my thoughts better before actually opening my mouth . So after all of that rambling, the pointiness of it was that I think the drama and tragedy can work very well with Gringoire if done correctly. After all, about fifty percent of the human race is middlemen that only observe and want very little to do with what goes on.

Hey, that was long. Shutting up now...:P

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Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:31 PM

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Somnambulist and Airylli:

I have to ask- there's a film version of
notre dame that stars Salma Hyek(sp) as Esmeralda.
Did either of you see it and if so what did you
think of it.

I enjoyed it greatly, but I've never read the
book. I wondered how it compared.



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Friday, July 15, 2005 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by dbell46:
Somnambulist and Airylli:

I have to ask- there's a film version of
notre dame that stars Salma Hyek(sp) as Esmeralda.
Did either of you see it and if so what did you
think of it.

I enjoyed it greatly, but I've never read the
book. I wondered how it compared.



Really! I had no idea. Do you know when it was made? I'd love to see it. Airylii do you know of this version?

I thought I'd have heard of this as Salma Hayek is in it... Hmmm maybe our idea has been done and all our chit-chat has been in vain.... Oh well. It's fun anyhoo.
:)

Thanks dbell46.

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Friday, July 15, 2005 12:49 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


airylii in the light of dbell46's info perhaps we've been beaten to the punch. I'd like to see this version to see how they interpreted the book.

That said I'm glad you still think Gringoire is still the better character to follow the plot along with.

This chapter: "Ceci tuera cela" that you spoke of is the one that's put many people off who I've suggested read the book. At first I was a little put out by it because I wanted to find out what was happening to the characters. However upon further reading I do quite like this chapter. Of course for a film it'd have to be basically removed or put across through clever visuals and editing, but still I think you're right about why Hugo kept it in.

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When does Lee say "Sleepy Hollow"? I can't say I'm familiar with that.

He had a small part in Sleepy Hollow as a judge. He had to utter the words to Ichabod Crane.

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Isn't that weird? The first time I saw the film I didn't even notice it, and when other people pointed it out to me, I was like holy crap! Heh. It'll be weird to see him in a horror flick like Slither; the only characters I can see him as are as Mal and an evil preacher.

Have you seen him in Two guys and a Girl? This was the first time I'd ever seen him. Later I saw him in Firefly and at first I struggled to see the crossover. He is however no definitely Malcolm Reynolds - no question. He's really made that character.

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What was Hugo's description of him? Something about him being one of the few people who could steer a middle course through everything. I can't remember the exact line.

That's a fair point.

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Most of the adaptations I've seen focus on Quasimodo and Esmeralda as the main characters, but in the book, Quasimodo really is a very shadowy figure.

Yes the thing is though that very significantly Hugo Describes Quasimodo as something like the very gargoyles upon the catherdral - which always struck me as though he were a physical manifestation of the Catherdral itself....Come to life to explore the very city it sits within, and in so doing becomes aware of just how out of place he/it [the catherdral] is within Paris of that time.

However even with these thoughts I think we're both slanting towards Gringoire - which for me says he is the way to go.

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You know something just occured to me which I think would make the film even more profound. You mentioned in your spoiler what Gringoire does in the end, and I think this is very important. As an audience travelling along with Gringoire this last act that he does would seem incredibly heartless and dispassionate. I think it would tear the audience up even more!!! Which is a great idea - he'd come across as having let 'us' down in not intervening to save Esmerelda's life, thus adding to the emotional drama and tragedy!!!



That is now I think key to the approach. What do you think?

OK now I've waffled on too long

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Friday, July 15, 2005 3:55 AM

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in the light of dbell46's info perhaps we've been beaten to the punch. I'd like to see this version to see how they interpreted the book.



I actually have heard of this version. In fact, before I ever read the book, I was channel surfing and saw Edward Atterton, which stopped me because I'd remembered him from Alias (and now as Atherton Wing!) and Salma Hayek and something about a noose. So naturally, I was curious but then it went to commercials and I forgot all about it. Only later did I figure out what the movie was..I think it was a TNT TV movie with Richard Harris as Frollo. I've always wanted to see it, but I never saw it again on television. I'll have to hunt it down..

From all reports, it's very good, but not entirely faithful. Which I can't begrudge, since the book is very difficult. But I say we go ahead with our project .

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That said I'm glad you still think Gringoire is still the better character to follow the plot along with.


Absolutely. Of course I may be slightly biased since I love Gringoire to pieces...

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This chapter: "Ceci tuera cela" that you spoke of is the one that's put many people off who I've suggested read the book. At first I was a little put out by it because I wanted to find out what was happening to the characters. However upon further reading I do quite like this chapter. Of course for a film it'd have to be basically removed or put across through clever visuals and editing, but still I think you're right about why Hugo kept it in.


Really? I'd have thought "Bird's Eye View" would turn people off more...It took me nearly hours to finish it. I liked "Ceci tuera cela", although it was a bit difficult as well; I only figured out I liked it after half the chapter had gone by. Then I was like hmmm...I feel like Hugo thinks this is important. But yeah, it'd be really hard to do on film..maybe as like a side conversation? Dunno..

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He had a small part in Sleepy Hollow as a judge. He had to utter the words to Ichabod Crane.


Ohh that Sleepy Hollow! With Johnny Depp, possibly? I was going to go rent that, along with Sinbad and Argonauts and Ed Wood...totally on a film kick. Just finished Princess Bride again along with the Indiana Jones films and I saw Edward Scissorhands for the first time. It was depressing, but I'm officially convinced Tim Burton is a crazy genius. So I've decided I must see every one of his and Depp's films. :P

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Have you seen him in Two guys and a Girl? This was the first time I'd ever seen him. Later I saw him in Firefly and at first I struggled to see the crossover. He is however no definitely Malcolm Reynolds - no question. He's really made that character.


Ah, not yet, but I've been dying to since I found out Fillion was in it. But I agree that he totally sells Mal; sheer brilliance.

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Yes the thing is though that very significantly Hugo Describes Quasimodo as something like the very gargoyles upon the catherdral - which always struck me as though he were a physical manifestation of the Catherdral itself....Come to life to explore the very city it sits within, and in so doing becomes aware of just how out of place he/it [the catherdral] is within Paris of that time.


I like that bit about Quasimodo being a manifestation of the cathedral. Every time I try to analyze this book, I learn something new...that's really interesting. I'm going to be thinking about this forever. But I just hope the gargoyles don't sing and dance in the TNT version...;)

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However even with these thoughts I think we're both slanting towards Gringoire - which for me says he is the way to go.


Yuhuh. He's just too cool to not focus on. I swear that last sentence made sense.

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You know something just occured to me which I think would make the film even more profound. You mentioned in your spoiler what Gringoire does in the end, and I think this is very important. As an audience travelling along with Gringoire this last act that he does would seem incredibly heartless and dispassionate. I think it would tear the audience up even more!!! Which is a great idea - he'd come across as having let 'us' down in not intervening to save Esmerelda's life, thus adding to the emotional drama and tragedy!!!




Right on. That was exactly my mind when I read the part with the boat and Djali...I was like HOW? WHY? HOW? Oww...and then I was so sad. I think possibly the only more soul destroying part is the scene with

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Paquette before she dies, along with Quasimodo's marriage..that last sentence chilled me to the bone. Literally.



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That is now I think key to the approach. What do you think?


I concur. I'm now going to have to go through two versions of it armed with post-its and Starbucks doubleshots. With Notre-Dame de Paris playing in the background. Hooray!

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OK now I've waffled on too long


Waffles. Yum.

Cheers!

Airylli

P.S. If I was running on incoherently in this last post, it wasn't my fault, I swear. I started tae kwon do today and nearly collapsed of heat exhaustion. But it was fun!

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Friday, July 15, 2005 6:09 AM

HJERMSTED


Cheers to the Heinlein fans on this post!

I still would love to see Stranger in a Strange Land produced into an epic film.

If handled correctly (ie: without too many producers' hands soiling it), of course, this would make a memorable movie.

Alas, George C. Scott is no longer with us so he cannot be cast as genius crumudgeon Jubal Harshaw. In the picture show in my mind, Scott is Harshaw whenever I read that book. Sean Connery could do it, I s'pose but his diva-osity cannot be allowed to interfere with the material.

Rumor has it Tom Hanks wants to be Valentine Michael Smith. This would be wronger than wrong itself! This must not be allowed to happen!!

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Friday, July 15, 2005 7:19 AM

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airylii wrote:

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I actually have heard of this version. In fact, before I ever read the book, I was channel surfing and saw Edward Atterton, which stopped me because I'd remembered him from Alias (and now as Atherton Wing!) and Salma Hayek and something about a noose. So naturally, I was curious but then it went to commercials and I forgot all about it. Only later did I figure out what the movie was..I think it was a TNT TV movie with Richard Harris as Frollo. I've always wanted to see it, but I never saw it again on television. I'll have to hunt it down..

From all reports, it's very good, but not entirely faithful. Which I can't begrudge, since the book is very difficult. But I say we go ahead with our project .



Oh right... Well there you go. If it is a recent production then it's a tad strange. As gracious as Salma Hayek is really her part should be played by someone younger... But still, liking her as much as I do I must admit I'd kinda like to see that production :) for reference purposes of course.... Er hum.

So yes let's continue with our project :)

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Really? I'd have thought "Bird's Eye View" would turn people off more...It took me nearly hours to finish it. I liked "Ceci tuera cela", although it was a bit difficult as well; I only figured out I liked it after half the chapter had gone by. Then I was like hmmm...I feel like Hugo thinks this is important. But yeah, it'd be really hard to do on film..maybe as like a side conversation? Dunno..

Oh yeah... That one too. It was really an upward struggle trying to convince friends to read it. I even bought a copy for my ex-girlfriend.... Sadly I don't think she gave it a second thought.

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Ohh that Sleepy Hollow! With Johnny Depp, possibly? I was going to go rent that, along with Sinbad and Argonauts and Ed Wood...totally on a film kick. Just finished Princess Bride again along with the Indiana Jones films and I saw Edward Scissorhands for the first time. It was depressing, but I'm officially convinced Tim Burton is a crazy genius. So I've decided I must see every one of his and Depp's films. :P

Oh Edward Scissorhands... I really love this film, I didn't find it depressing at all. Until recently it was in my top five favourite films. It's still Burton's best for me. I minor masterpiece in my eyes, but then I'm a sucker for that gothic stuff, can't get enough of it....

By all means catch up on his back catalogue. He and Depp do work well together, but have you seen Beetlejuice? Crazy brilliant!!!! Utterly hic-cuppy in style and emotion. Ed Wood is kinda understated brilliance too.... Actually I'm a bit of a Burton fan, although I couldn't stand the first Batman! OK enough no more about Burton.....

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I like that bit about Quasimodo being a manifestation of the cathedral. Every time I try to analyze this book, I learn something new...that's really interesting. I'm going to be thinking about this forever. But I just hope the gargoyles don't sing and dance in the TNT version...;)


Ha, funny when I heard Disney were going to make that film I just knew there'd be singing dancing Gargoyles - I've not seen it, I'm sure the animation is incredible, so I shouldn't knock it, and I know my Niece and Nephew go ape over things like that so... WHo am I to take a dig...

Anyway - that's just my view on Quasimodo, I remember reading that line [actually I must try and find the exact words] and from then on thinking of him as that.

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Right on. That was exactly my mind when I read the part with the boat and Djali...I was like HOW? WHY? HOW? Oww...and then I was so sad. I think possibly the only more soul destroying part is the scene with

Yup...That settles it. Gringoire it is :) Actually I'm not at home presently so later I'm going to dig up the phrase that I think is the really impactful one, at least for me, just to compare with you. I like that part too that you mentioned but there's something specific I'm thinking off that I want to present to you correctly to see if you find it as jarring as I did.

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I concur. I'm now going to have to go through two versions of it armed with post-its and Starbucks doubleshots. With Notre-Dame de Paris playing in the background. Hooray!

Gaaarooovy!!! I may make this my winter project. I think you've piqued my interest once again and I'm reliving the marvel I felt for it upon first reading. So that's settled. Notre Dame in the winter!

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Waffles. Yum.


*Adopts Homer voice*
Ohhh waffflezzzzzzz hargharghhmmmnnmunmm....

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P.S. If I was running on incoherently in this last post, it wasn't my fault, I swear. I started tae kwon do today and nearly collapsed of heat exhaustion. But it was fun!



No it made sense....Wait is it weird that it made sense to me?.... Maybe I'm gone now too :)
When you say started is this since you've returned to San Francisco or first time ever started?
I used to do Tai Chi - but work has meant I've had to quit. I did enjoy it though, it was great fun and I had a great teacher. She was from Canada origianlly and amazingly lives near me here in the countryside! It was such a fluke. One day I hope to return to it....

Ok I'm going to go look up some lines from Notre Dame.... Meantime maybe we should continue this via emails? Only this screen is taking a while to load for me and sometimes the screen goes a bit weird on me? So here's my email

ric@cirqus.com

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Thursday, August 4, 2005 12:52 PM

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I'd like to see the Young Jedi Knights series as well as the New Jedi Order series, directed, produced and casted by Joss Whedon. As long as he casts Summer Glau as Jaina Solo I'll be a happy camper.

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LEIGHKOHL


Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrel and The Secret History.

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