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Pirates 2: Dead Man's Chest (Spoilers ahoy)

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 11:10 AM

CYBERSNARK


It was good.

Which, considering how awesome the first one was, is kinda a disappointment.

Where the first was an adventure movie with fantasy elements, this was more of an outright fantasy with adventure elements. It has "Hollywood Blockbuster" written all over it, from the cartoonishly ridiculous stunts and fight sequences, to the contrived humour, to the substitution of slapstick for any actual wit.

I was willing to suspend disbelief at the beginning, with the escape from the cannibals, but the island fight sequence (where they actually retrieve Jones' chest) just ruined it for me, reducing a cinematic great to merely "okay." It had one of the same flaws I saw in the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel in RotS: the ridiculous "we're in mortal danger but we hate each other so much we'll keep fighting anyway." I hope this isn't becoming a movie trend like the shakeycam and the extreeeeeeeeem close-ups.

My other big beefs with that particular sequence was that it (A) required all the characters involved to be stupid, and (B) required us to ignore the personalities established in the previous movie and first half of this one.

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Elizabeth acts (just for this scene, and nowhere else) like a spoiled and unreliable brat. Will, Jack, and Norrington become mindless, unskilled thugs who don't bother to keep track of the woman all three of them claim to love, and whose hatred for each other cancels out their own considerable survival skills. Elizabeth sees the chest being stolen (by two morons who seem to have forgotten that they just saw the Dutchman approach and submerge), then does an overwrought comedic double-take, and then sets out on a chase sequence without having brought a weapon along.

(After which Pintel and Ragetti, having previously established themselves as resonably functional [well, Pintel's useful. Ragetti is a half-wit] and atypically decent folk, suddenly turn on her for no other reason than that, hey, she's a woman. Then they demonstrate their never-before-seen hand-to-hand skills against Jones' pirates, apparently holding their own despite having only two swords [and no guns] between them.)

I gave up on it about the time Will and Norrington end up on top of the waterwheel (and Jack gets smashed into the wheel without actually taking any damage). We're to buy that, even without the key that brought them here, these two hate each other enough to ignore the fact that they're stuck atop an escaped waterwheel, and that they can maintain their fight while doing gymnastings around and in the wheel as it caroms about the island.

I'd expect Norrington to try something that daft, but Will is (everywhere else in both movies) depicted as a level-headed (if naive) swashbuckler.

Looney Tunes has a better grasp of physics than this whole sequence demonstrated.

Further, in any sequence like this, the actual fight choreography will suffer. Will and Norrington's skilled swordplay (established in the first movie) is reduced to wild slashes at each other as the actors are flung about on their wire-rigs. Again, the same kind of crap can be seen in RotS, when Anakin and Obi-Wan are duelling in the midst of an exploding refinery and erupting volcano --hacking away at each other as the battlefield disintegrates around them.

This mess did not belong in the middle of an otherwise great movie.

A better version would've had Will drop or sheath his sword and scramble clear of the wheel (Norrington can keep trying to stab him until he gets tossed away or crushed by the wheel), then engage Jack in a duel of wits. Meanwhile, Elizabeth would've confronted Pintel and Ragetti before they could get anywhere with the chest, leaving them to explain themselves with more wordplay.

--Hell, a better movie wouldn't have had any need for the waterwheel sketch at all, because everyone's priorities would have re-established themselves when Will explained about the Dutchman having just arrived. Our heroes would then have withdrawn into the island jungle to throw off the pursuit. In the confusion, Jack could steal the heart, then Norrington could steal it from Jack in turn.

Instead, we're expected to just throw out everything we know about these characters in favour of some slapstick spectacle. More of what you love from. . . every other movie out this summer.



So, yeah. Disappointing. It looks like a parody of what it could be; with no-one showing any character growth at all, entire scenes run out-of-character, and with all the style replaced by CGI and cheap gags. It's stunning to me that something like this can be written and directed by the same team from the first movie. I guess it was just a fluke.

I'll prefer to remember the Fluke of the Black Pearl, where characters were witty, and skilled, and intelligent. Where the fights (Jack/Will in the blacksmith's shop, the navy versus the pirates, and the final fight sequence in the treasure cave) were all well-choreographed and suggested great but not inhuman skill from all concerned.

Here's hoping the third in the trilogy manages to redeem this.

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 11:51 AM

FRELLINGBLONDE


Personally, I liked it, but if I compare it to the first, yeah, it really comes up short.

Then again, it is a sequel, and the middle of the triology, so I'm reserving judgement. In my opinion, The Two Towers was go se compared to Fellowship of the Ring and Return of the King, but when you watch all three movies in a row (don't laugh, my best friend and I did that once, aided by several cases of Jolt.) it's like watching one very long, and very awesome movie.

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 6:28 PM

EVILDINOSAUR


wow, first negative review ive heard. I personally loved it and can't wait to see the third.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 9:23 PM

ANONYMOUS1


One of the crew says Shiny.

And then Captain Jack says Shiny.

And something with the word Hold in the movie. But I can't remember what.

and FloraBunny noticed this:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=22130&m=335189#33518933518
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Here there be pirates...

Quote:

Originally posted by FloralBunny:
deepgirl187 wrote (in part):
But what I really noticed was how they both relate to their ships. To them, their ships are a part of them, a part that would hurt to lose. The importance they place on their ships is not something others can always understand, and is often something that gets them into trouble. But still they remain devoted to their respective homes.
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I was watching my PotC1 DVD one day right after
getting a Firefly fix, thinking how much I like
both my Captains. I took this down:

"It's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and
sails -- that's what a ship *needs* -- but what
a ship *is* -- what the Black Pearl really *is*
-- is freedom.

It goes right along with Mal telling Zoe "Won't
ever have to be under the heel of nobody ever
again." (Hope I haven't hashed that line)




Out of Gas

Mal: "And try to see past what she is and on
to what she can be."

Zoe: What's that, Sir?

Mal: Freedom is what.

...

Mal: "And never have to be under the heel
of nobdody ever again."


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Saturday, July 8, 2006 10:38 PM

TMURRIE


***SPOILERS***

I too was a little let down. There seemed to be a lot of things that felt very forced. And they took all the character relationships from the first one, and totally wrecked them in this one.

First off Elizabeth, although totally kicking ass in the swordplay, was otherwise useless. And also totally hot in the pirate uniform, but no matter.

And they turned Jack into this totally self centered coward who decides to run away from everything. Oh right, he went back on the Pearl however, to...uhh...shoot a rifle? It didn't seem like a lot of redemption to me. And then Elizabeth ties him to the boat by kissing Jack, making the Elizabth/Will relationship all awkward.

But I will say this. Davy jones is so awesome. The Flying Dutchess, her crazy crustacian crew, and the Krakon were just wonderful. Along with Bootstrap Bill, I thought that was a nice touch.

But here's what i think would have made it better. If Jack decided to stay on the Pearl on his own accord. That would make his death so much more dramatic and exciting, because he doesn't seem worth saving because of his selfish moves during the whole movie.

All in all it was ok, and I cannot wait for the third one to come out, but only because of Barbossa. That man does indeed love his apples! Yar!

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 10:43 PM

SERENITYSEEKER


Let me say that I was a great fan of the first movie and had relatively high expectations for this sequel. But alas, I left the screening last night with an opinion of the movie much like that of Cybersnark: It was a good movie, but not quite as good as the first.

As a guy, I truly enjoyed parts of it from the swordfights to the battle with the Kraken, but much of it was very unbelievable. As Cybersnark pointed out, it seemed that the movie somehow ignored the laws of physics and human endurance in order to achieve this action. If the swordfight that Cybersnark refers to had taken place in any other fashion, it might have been a little more believable.

Also, I'm inclined to agree that the characters seemed to act completely out of character much of the time. Jack seemed a little more coldhearted at some points than he came off as in the first. Yes, he's a pirate but he's Cap'n Jack, the pirate with a heart of gold in some sense. Will acted like the galant fool many times, rushing into a situation before using his level head that got him through the first movie. And Elizabeth seemed to move away from her 'damsel in distress' role to more of an 'independent woman' shall we say which didn't really work for her character in some sense.

All in all, like I said it was a good movie. I'd go see it again for the adventure. But I'm with Cyber in that I hope the third will redeem the trilogy. It just seems that the writing department went brain dead at some points and decided to throw in cheap overused gags to try and make the audience laugh. Plus, I wasn't a big fan of just jumping directly into the adventure. Give me a little lead-in ya know of a happy Will and Elizabeth about to be married and Jack out on the ocean enjoying life BEFORE thrusting the dark cloud over them. Anyways, hopefully the directing and writing departments will sober up and come up with some wily, yet intelligent, ideas for the third movie.

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And now that we have our favorite apple munching Cap'n Barbossa back, things should get pretty crazy for our crew.


But yes, I recommend going to see this movie. It's the middle of the trilogy so redemption is still on the horizon.

Keep flyin'.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:00 AM

CYBERSNARK


Added note: upon rewatching the original a few times this past few weeks (wanted to hear all the DVD commentaries before seeing the sequel), I've noticed that I really like Barbossa's acting.

Something about his eyes; he looks very "boyish," despite the grizzled face.

And he's not such a bad guy, really. He did intend to leave Elizabeth "Turner" alive, after all.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:26 AM

SAMEERTIA



First, let me say that I thought the film was fun. I've seen it twice now, and I'm comfortable saying that.

BUT, and there are some very big buts-

The gross-out effects were over the top. I don't have children, but the people beside me in the theaters for both showings I attended brought theirs. Children probably between the ages of 7 and ten, and they were crying, hiding their eyes, asking to sit on their mothers laps, screaming in terror... when it was over, one little girl told her mother, "I'm never watching this again! It was too scary!" I'm in my 30's and hid my eyes during the opening sequence with the crows.
Come on, Disney! Bruckheimer is known for great family entertainment, why did he go for the gross-out horror thrills in this one?

The Island scene was fun the second time through. The first time, I thought it was too campy, to silly, going for the slapstick instead of the honest story-telling that I think we all wanted.

The second time, I realized that I've seen the same thing in a hundred different renditions of Shakespearian comedies. This was every fight scene from "Midsummer Night's Dream", "Much Ado About Nothing", "Twelfth Night" and "Merry Wives" all rolled into a Pirate's costume and stuck on an island. Over the top, campy, and yes...even fun.

I was craving the beautifully choreographed swordfights from "Black Pearl", the elegance and grace of Depp and Bloom dancing the dance of deadly steel. What I got was, while fun, unbelievabely campy. I DID like that it was Will and Norrington on the wheel. I liked that we got to see more of Norrington's development... could have done without the PUKING though! For crissakes, was that necessary? (Davenport, darling, you are still my hero, and nothing will change that.)


Note...what did you all think of Naomie Harris???? Didn't she just blow you away? I'd heard she was in it, but I'd been avoiding spoilers and what-not, so wasn't aware what role she was taking. I kept looking for her and it wasn't until halfway through her first scene that I realized it was her! Did she even blink through that scene?

My new catchphrase, however, is "An Undead Monkey!" said as though it's the gift of every girls fondest desire.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:06 AM

CYBERSNARK


Well, who wouldn't want an undead monkey?

I'm curious as to how monkey-Jack is still undead. The Curse was lifted in the first one, leaving the Pearl's crew mortal --and the chest slammed closed, suggesting that all the treasure had been restored and the blood-debts paid.

I'd been assuming that the monkey was somehow caught under the banner of "the Pearl's crew." It wouldn't have been the first time an animal got caught up in human magic (remember Patches? The zombie cat in BtVS' "Dead Man's Party?")

Did the monkey steal a piece of the treasure before Isla De La Muerta "went pear-shaped?"

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:15 AM

SAMEERTIA


Oh, Cyber!
Pull out your dvd and watch all the way to the end of the credits!

And if you didn't stay until the end of the credits for Dead Mans Chest, you'll want to do the same thing.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 1:39 PM

CYBERSNARK


Ah, okay.

Stayin' 'till the end of credits in my theatre is. . . not possible. Between the mass of humanity stampeding for the doors, and the theatre staff charging in to chase you out with brooms, it's just not that enjoyable.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 1:42 PM

GUENEVER


Well, for a 70 minute movie it was pretty good. For a 2+ hour movie it sucked.

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Sunday, July 9, 2006 6:29 PM

TMURRIE


Ask a ninja has made a review for Pirates. This is the greatest movie review I have ever witnessed, check it out:




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Monday, July 10, 2006 1:54 AM

ARCLIGHT


Guenever wrote: "Well, for a 70 minute movie it was pretty good. For a 2+ hour movie it sucked."

I agree. The editors knife is sorely needed in this movie.
Besides the "shiny" and "hold" Firefly references did anyone else think the musical score was at times down right Edmondsonesque? Something I've been noticing a lot of in recent TV/movie productions

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Monday, July 10, 2006 2:08 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


"Damsel in distress"?? Was I watching the same Curse of the Black Pearl? She kicked a little bit of ass in that one, and just a bit more in this one.
The problems I had with the movie were a little different, I guess. The fight on the wheel made me dizzy, for one, but other than that it worked okay. Little long.
A lot of the humor was that kind of "sitcom humor" that makes me wince and go "What's next?" But it did make me laugh.
Will getting the key was dumb. He went at it from the wrong side and I find it hard to believe he wouldn't be noticed at all.
I'm wondering why Davey Jones looked a lot like a certain Elder God.
I'm wondering what the odd sexual tension between Elizabeth and Captain Jack was all about. Well, her part of it, anyway. And what's going to happen between her and Will, now?
And how did Barbosa magically come back to life? (yet the monkey is still undead.)
A lot of people liked Barbosa, but I never did. I'm not excited to see him back, but I'm curious as to exactly how he did it, which will presumably be revealed when they go after Jack.
And if the Kraken was after him, why was it still going after the Pearl while he was rowing away?
They need nitpickers for their script.

With all that, I enjoyed it and will likely see it again. I loved the referenaces to the first movie

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Monday, July 10, 2006 1:31 PM

EMBERS


Quote:

Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
I personally loved it and can't wait to see the third.


I'm with you EvilDinosaur!
I liked it even better than the first one,
I loved the curstacean pirates...
and I am VERY excited about part three!!

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:37 AM

CYBERSNARK


Flying Dutchman Sighting!

(from Fortean Times)
Quote:

11 July. In 1881 George, Prince of Wales (later King George V), as a 16-year-old naval cadet on HMS Inconstant off the Australian coast, wrote in his log book: 'At 4am the 'Flying Dutchman' crossed our bows. A strange red light as a of a phantom ship aglow... Thirteen persons altogether saw her, but whether it was van Deimen of the 'Flying Dutchman' or what else must remain unknown. The Tourmaline and Cleopatra... flashed to ask whether we had seen the strange red light.' At 10:45am, the seaman who first sighted the spectral ship fell to his death.


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:56 AM

PENGUIN


Quote:

Originally posted by tmurrie:
Ask a ninja has made a review for Pirates. This is the greatest movie review I have ever witnessed, check it out:






...Kiera Knightly is a slightly more masculine version of Orlando Bloom... lol

Great review!


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:44 PM

N0SKILLZ


It was a good movie even if the end did make me scream, out loud in the middle of the full theater,

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You GOT to be F**KING kidding me! and to which my friend followed with "@$$holes" and i think i heard a "Son of a B**ch" from somewhere else in the crowd



that was spoilered, cuz I wanted to.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:51 PM

EMBERS


Quote:

Originally posted by N0Skillz:
It was a good movie even if the end did make me scream, out loud in the middle of the full theater,

Select to view spoiler:


You GOT to be F**KING kidding me! and to which my friend followed with "@$$holes" and i think i heard a "Son of a B**ch" from somewhere else in the crowd





I felt like bursting into applause
('cause he is my favorite pirate EVER!)

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:51 PM

WHOOPS


Went to see it today i thought it rocked and as for Kiera Knightley (or however you spell it looked) she looked sooooooooooooooooo fit . But anyway, enough of that, i thought it was great good mix of comedy and action.

NOSkillz i was right there with you couldnt believe how they left it.

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don't love, she'll shake you off sure as a turnin' of worlds. Love keeps her in
the air when she oughtta fall down. Tells you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens.
Makes her a home." Mal


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:04 PM

THIEFJEHAT


I observed that they missed an interesting chance to modify Jack Sparrow for the 3rd movie. One of the "typical" pirate images is of a hook hand. And there was jack with his left hand chained to the deck when the Kraken reared up it's head to spit out his hat.

I thought that represented a good place to cut the scene and show the kraken destroying the ship at a distance. Then in movie three Jack can recount his escape while brandishing a hook hand and in a flashback we'll see him bring his cutlass down on his left wrist before getting away. It would have been a tad gruesome but it totally fits the image of a pirate capt.

Do not fear me. Ours is a peaceful race, and we must live in harmony.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:54 PM

FLORALBUNNY


One of the things the production team
wanted to avoid even in the first film
was too much peg-leggy, hook-handy stuff.

Now that there's a series projected they
may change a few things, but I'd say that
sticking Captain Jack with a hook-hand
would be far too limiting to his potential
activities through the next films.

It's one of the things they could save for
the absolutely last film, but I'd be surprised
to see it any sooner.


bun
~2006~Firefly Summer~2006~
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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:45 PM

SMITH


What can I say? I went in wanting to like it...and I wasn't disappointed. Granted, things were a bit shaky at the start - what with the seemingly endless repetition of jokes from the first movie (e.g. "Why is the rum always gone?", Jack's ability to confuse Gibbs with his grammatical gymnastics, etc.) But by the end I was significantly wowed, and will definitely be seeing this one again. The only thing I didn't get was the whole "Elizabeth's horniness is making her fickle" thing. She loves Will. Always has. Is there really any doubt about how this will end? Deal with it and move on. (Not that I'm against Cap'n Jack gettin some, you understand...the man's a god, we all know it, he's got his share of women, there's just no need for him to sully Will's bride.)

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Monday, July 17, 2006 4:37 AM

ROCKXWL


First off, that ninja review was phenomenal.

I saw the movie yesterday and agree with most of the gripes people had with it and that it was good which is dissapointing due to the excellence of the first one.

But as far as Elizabeth kissing Jack to chain him to the mast, I thought that was a brilliant scene because it was a complete role reversal between the two. If you remember, there was a scene earlier in the film where Jack told Elizabeth that she would want him because of curiosity and she wanted to see how it felt to act on impulse. Then Elizabeth told Jack that he would do something to prove that he is a good man because of curiosity as well.

Well...Jack came back, proving he is a good man and Elizabeth manipulated him and acted the Pirate. I thought it was dope.

"What'd you all order a dead guy for?"

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Monday, July 17, 2006 7:11 AM

MAL4PREZ


I did enjoy the movie, it was entertaining and cute. I could pick apart many things, mosly that they went with slapstick instead of cleverness, but I won't. A movie based on a ride... Yeah, my standards are a little loose with this.

The review though - OMG! I was crying! Thanks for posting this!!

Oh - as for the ending of the movie

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The guy behind me gasped with shock and joy when the other pirate guy showed up. I was a little confused by that, but I guess I'm just not a rapid fan of PotC.



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Monday, July 17, 2006 7:30 AM

TRISTAN


Not a bad movie. Could have been better, as most of you have said...waiting for the third. I'd like to comment on DeepGirl's post regarding Naomie Harris. I had first seen her in 28 Days Later and was very impressed. In this movie...wow. Those eyes and that accent? Yes, ma'am!



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Monday, July 17, 2006 7:37 AM

WHOOPS


I just hope that they dont ruin two quality films and hopefully a third by making too many sequels and end up ruining it.

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don't love, she'll shake you off sure as a turnin' of worlds. Love keeps her in
the air when she oughtta fall down. Tells you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens.
Makes her a home." Mal


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Monday, July 17, 2006 8:12 AM

DEEPGIRL187


My comment, Tristan? I didn't know I'd posted here. But thanks for the mention, though.

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Monday, July 17, 2006 8:30 AM

TRISTAN



Apologies to DeepGirl and the poster of the thread I actually replied to, SAMEERTIA...it's Monday, I am braindead...

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Monday, July 17, 2006 8:37 AM

ZEEK


I was underwelmed by this one. I think they tried to do way too much.

The whole east india trading corporation plot line should have been dropped. They used it to get Elizabeth and Will back on the adventure track with Jack and for a point for Norington to come into the story. They shouldn't have needed a reason to get Jack and Will back together. At the end of the last movie it sure seemed like Will was ready to become a pirate and join Jack's crew. I don't think it would have been that much of a stretch for him to be out there with Jack at the get go.

The cannibal adventure wasn't needed and should have been left on the cutting room floor.

To me they made a mistake with Davey Jones. He didn't have a personality like Barbossa had. With Barbossa you could tell why he did what he did and while you didn't really want him to win, you didn't hate him either. With Davey you don't know what he's really all about. He's just a jerk with some crazy sea powers that have no explination.

There were way way way too many people with all sorts of different motives in the movie. IMO they didn't need to bring back Norington at all. Seems he was really just there for the crazy wheel fight and the switchero at the end just so they can have another movie. I didn't think they needed the two pirates from barbossa's crew from the first movie either. They were just there for comic relief, but everyone in that movie is comic relief at some point.

The forced love triangle was really out of left field and should have been cut.

It would have been really nice if they had just kept it to Davey Jones vs. Jack. Then if they wanted a 3rd movie they could have held off the reveal of Will's dad being on Davey Jones ship until the end right before Jack destroyed them or something. Then it could be Will vs. Jack for a while and end with the heart being lost and Jack getting eaten.

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Monday, July 17, 2006 8:48 AM

MSG


Cybersnark I couldn't agree more!!! After they found the chest I just couldn't believe Jack didn't have some complicated, insane, Jack like scheme to save everyone...and what on earth was wrong with Elizabeth...was she drugged in captivity or what??? it was good and so, but um where was the great I was expecting...3rd one had better redeem itself pronto!!!

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Monday, August 21, 2006 2:45 PM

TRAVELER


I just saw this picture and have to admit my disappointment. Slapstick I can take, but the begining of the movie was disjointed. To many tangents. Not till Captain Sparrow gets the black mark on his hand did I finally get a grasp of what this movie was leading to. I think they could have done this quicker and left the cannibals out of it. A lot of wasted space messing with those cannibals if you ask me. Now I gotta see a second one if I want to know the end of the story. I'm tempted to wait till the DVD, even if it takes two years.

Traveler

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Monday, August 21, 2006 3:10 PM

PSYKOTEK1


THE WATER WHEEL FIGHT

didn't like it not at all

those who are interested in fun and believable sword play need to hunt out the 70's Three Musketeers, and the sequel Four Musketters

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072281/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073012/

as I remember as a young'un
they were funny and brutal and just an all around good time

all-star cast for early 70's and cool fights

and the water wheel fight kicks ass

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Monday, August 21, 2006 4:10 PM

MAGHAFFAR


Well, I liked the first one OK, but the 2nd one was leaden. And I know Johnny Depp is playing "quirky" with Capt. Jack but is it me or did he appear downright drunk all the damn time. But I guess if I had to be in that Disney / Alliance customer cash sucking excuse for a film, I'd be hittin' the ol' bottle regularly too. God, this was so un-enjoyable to me. And I'm thinking... They spent, what, $150-mil on this thing? That's 4 more "Serenity" movies, easy. And then when you consider Joss spent a measley $39-mil on "Serenity" and it gets (virtually) ignored while the "Pirates" Juggernaut will roll on with its 3rd installment cuz they filmed it at the same time -- so them knowing they was gonna make coin no matter how bad it was, seems like any pretense of TRYING to make a half-way decent movie was ignored by practically all. This is a perfect example to me of how the Hollywood blockbusters so often reek -- and nobody seems to utter a peep about the wasted money -- while a truly well-written, action-packed, thoroughly character-engaging gem like "Serenity" (which I saw BEFORE I ever say "Firefly" btw) gets hemmed and hawed over cuz all it did was break even so they don't think there's gonna be a sequel.






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Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:48 PM

DREAMWALKER


This is definitely a movie that has to be seen twice to actually be appreciated. I left the first time feeling somewhat disappointed. It just seemed to be lacking something that was in the first movie. I agree that the scene with the water wheel was unnecessarily long and pointless. Hopefully the third movie will be better.

"You're talking to Serenity. And Early...Serenity is very unhappy."

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Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:58 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Individually, looking at all the different elements (the cannibals, the water wheel fight, etc.), they wouldn't be so bad - but, together, it's confusing and annoying, and just way too much stuff. Although, I must admit, the ending was really neat (definately wasn't expecting the apple-obsessed captain).

I'd have to say my favorite person was whoever plays Norrington (wait, I'll Google him...), Jack Davenport, because that was nice.

Probably my least favorite part about the entire movie was Elizabeth's part. There was almost no lead-up to her being all tough-and-stuff, especially after the very beginning, and she goes back and forth from "Look, I can swordfight!" to "Oh, I hate all pirates!" Not that I ever liked her character to begin with... but, ugh!

I hope the second one gets to the point, and fast, otherwise...

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