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The Big Harry Potter chat thread (spoilers *will* ensue!)

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Friday, August 4, 2006 3:58 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Yay, I can talk about my other obsession!

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Friday, August 4, 2006 4:02 AM

PENGUIN


I love Harry Potter! I just started re-reading the first book last night. I can't wait for the next book to come out!




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Friday, August 4, 2006 4:03 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Oh, me too! I've read every book at least three times; more for the early books!
So who do you think R.A.B. is?

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Friday, August 4, 2006 4:10 AM

PENGUIN


I'm not sure... Reincarnated Albus Dumbledore? lol


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Friday, August 4, 2006 4:10 AM

ROCKXWL


Everyone thinks R.A.B is for Regulus Black, Sirius' brother...however just because that is what everyone thinks I am sure Rowling will make it be someone else.

My personal theory is that the 'A' in RAB stands for 'and' so R.A.B. is actually 2 people. Which two people? I have no idea, R and B are a bit too vague.

"What'd you all order a dead guy for?"

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Friday, August 4, 2006 4:14 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


See, I came up with the Regulous Black theory all on my own; I was surprised at how many others shared it. It makes sense though. Only Death Eaters call Voldemort the "Dark Lord" and that's who the letter was addressed to. Regulous Black was a former Death Eater and the initials fit, so I thought it might be him. It does seem to be the prevailing theory.


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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:10 AM

SPACEANJL


I know I sent a message, but I'm posting, too.

Re-read the chapter in OoP where they are cleaning out Grimmauld Place. I'm just sayin', is all...

RAB probably will be Regulus (Alphard) Black. I think that was the name of the uncle who gave Sirius the money for his flat, anyhow.

BTW, anyone got any theories on what happened to Sirius' motorbike? How much would we love to see Harry on a flying bike, with a big f**k-off sword? (I really must finish and post this fic sometime...)

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:30 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


There are several places where they're cleaning, SpaceAnJL, and it's a big book. Could you just tell us? Please?

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:33 AM

MRSHAYCOX81


I definetly think that RAB is Regulas (sp?) Makes a lot of sense. That and remember that big locket that they couldn't seem to get open in OOTF??? Kretcher went and hid it somewhere. I bet if you ask him, he'd know where it's at.

Bigger questions I think would be
A: Is Snape a baddie?
B: Who's getting offed??

A: Personally....my gut feeling is Snape is bad. Now that's just my gut talking...but everyone has been wrong about Snape before. Plus, he was giving Harry Lessons before her ran off to Lord Voldermort. Telling Harry to close his mind and to think the spell, not say it. We also have the fact that Dumbledore was begging Snape...but did not say what he was begging...whether it was to kill or not to kill, we can't say. All we do know is that Dumbledore did not fear death, so we would assume that he wasn't begging for his life. Just raises more questions...

B: First off...Hagrid...love the guy, but he's really close to Harry...and we know what happened to Dumbledore. I figured that Lord Voldermort would try to take out as many people as he could that are close to Harry...

That being true...a Weasley must die. I'm sorry...but there are to many of them, they're all close to Harry, and they've all managed to escape practically un-harmed. (I say practically because of Bill and the whole Werewolf thing.) Now...I don't think it'll be Ron, but I do have this distinct feeling it'll be Ginny. It would make sense. Lord Voldermort kills Ginny, Harry goes nuts, kills Voldermort. That being said...my belief is that Harry also dies. The prophecy pretty much states that neither can live while the other survives. (something like that.) So my theory...Ginny Harry and Hagrid all get it in the end.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:35 AM

SPACEANJL


It's very early on, when they are just starting toclean the house, before the doxyfest. There's a cabinet with a load of junk in it, including a music box straight out of 'Hellraiser', a shiny centipede thing, and a locket nobody can open. Just mentioned in passing, like it's no big deal.

ed: we're gonna see dead Weasleys, but I think Ron might buy it. Ever read the article that posits the chess game in bk 1 as a metaphor for the final battle? Bellatrix is definitely the Black Queen.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:37 AM

PENGUIN


NOT GINNY!!!!! I loved it when she and Harry got together!


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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:40 AM

GED


I haven't read this thread as I'm still reading the last book, I will keep an eye on it though. If I have time this weekend I'll try to finish it!

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:42 AM

PENGUIN


I think Harry will survive and become the Dark Arts teacher...


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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:44 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I'm not a Snape fan. I have discussed this topic to death with my dad, but he hasn't conviced me that Snape isn't evil. Why'd he take the Unbreakble Vow in the first place? That's what I want to know.
Who dies? Percy. Only way the git is going to redeem himself. Maybe Ginny, but that would make me sad and I just can't see it. I've thought Ron would get it before Ginny. Especially as Ron is going with him. Snape (whether as punishment or some way to redeem himself is yet to be seen) Malfoy (maybe that's just wishful thinking)
Not Harry, though. If he kills Voldemort, it means he gets to survive. "For neither can live while the other survives." Which means once one dies, the other can go about his business.
No, Harry is going to become the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher at Hogwarts. I've always been sure of that.

*edit* so many posts in front of me already! I love the theory about the chess game...

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:44 AM

MRSHAYCOX81


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Originally posted by Penguin:
NOT GINNY!!!!! I loved it when she and Harry got together!



Yes...but that would be the point. He and Ginny got together...Harry broke it off because he didn't want her to get hurt...she still manages to get hurt (I.E. DEAD) in the end. Basically would drive Harry to do the "Aveda Kadavara"

You have to mean it for it to work. And if Lord V killed off Harry's sweetie...he would definetly mean it.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:47 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I also loved it when they got together. I cheered.
Maybe he'll think she's dead and that'll drive him crazy enough to kill, and then she'll just be injured badly and they'll be able to be together.
Okay, my romantic side is coming out.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:47 AM

BSCPANTHERFAN


Damn! Now I'm going to have to clean out boxes until I find these and reread them! I actually liked them enough that when I heard that the UK version of one of the books had a misprint that got into the first edition, I went onto Amazon.uk and bought it, even though I had a preorder for the US version.

I will say this: I am looking forward to the next book, but we may all be surprised. I heard one of my favorite authors speak once, and she said that she was never sure where the characters in her books were going until they got there, and sometimes it surprised her where they ended up (that is Madeline L'Engle, BTW).

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:49 AM

MRSHAYCOX81


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I'm not a Snape fan. I have discussed this topic to death with my dad, but he hasn't conviced me that Snape isn't evil. Why'd he take the Unbreakble Vow in the first place? That's what I want to know.
Who dies? Percy. Only way the git is going to redeem himself. Maybe Ginny, but that would make me sad and I just can't see it. I've thought Ron would get it before Ginny. Especially as Ron is going with him. Snape (whether as punishment or some way to redeem himself is yet to be seen) Malfoy (maybe that's just wishful thinking)
Not Harry, though. If he kills Voldemort, it means he gets to survive. "For neither can live while the other survives." Which means once one dies, the other can go about his business.
No, Harry is going to become the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher at Hogwarts. I've always been sure of that.

*edit* so many posts in front of me already! I love the theory about the chess game...




You know honestly...I did thin of Ron first. I did...but the more I thought about it the more I was like...no...Ron's going to get hurt....probably protecting Hermione...but I just don't think Jo has the heart to kill him off. Love the idea about Percy though. Stupid Git. I hope he does bite it. Course he's not a main character so him dying wouldn't be a big deal (well, to the Weasley's but that's another story)

I'm going to have to disagree with you with the Harry one. Even Jo has hinted of offing Harry. They have an article on it at mugglenet.com She was asked some questions and sort of eluded to the fact that Harry is offed in the end.

{Edit}"I will say this: I am looking forward to the next book, but we may all be surprised. I heard one of my favorite authors speak once, and she said that she was never sure where the characters in her books were going until they got there, and sometimes it surprised her where they ended up (that is Madeline L'Engle, BTW)"

Agreed fan...but Jo has had the last chapter locked away from some time now. She did mention that One character got a reprive. Who, we can't be sure.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 5:54 AM

SPACEANJL


Now, I wrote a little something about HP grown up. Not the DADA teacher, but an Auror. With a snarky, trench-coat wearing partner.

Imagine - The look - Neo meets Martin Blank - on a cool flying motorbike, big sword slung over the shoulder, wand in a spring-loaded wrist holster under the leather jacket.

And his partner, leaning casually back and cleaning his nails with a silver athame, all sleek elegance from his blond hair down to the tips of his silver-buckled boots, grinning nastily round a cigarette, and wearing a very cool dragonhide trenchcoat (the real John Constantine meets Spike, with a touch of Corinithian)

"Remind me why I have to work with you again?"

"Because we scare the s**t out of everyone else."

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Friday, August 4, 2006 6:07 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


OK, found the locket reference! It must have been Regulous, then!

(frustrated grammar teacher coming out) The word is "allude". She has alluded to a possible Harry death, but I think she's just winding us up. She hasn't said one way or another.
Hopefully we'll know by this time next year.

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Originally posted by BSCPantherfan:
Damn! Now I'm going to have to clean out boxes until I find these and reread them! I actually liked them enough that when I heard that the UK version of one of the books had a misprint that got into the first edition, I went onto Amazon.uk and bought it, even though I had a preorder for the US version.


"Goblet of Fire"? There's a misprint in the first US edition of that.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 6:18 AM

MRSHAYCOX81


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:


(frustrated grammar teacher coming out) The word is "allude". She has alluded to a possible Harry death, but I think she's just winding us up. She hasn't said one way or another.
Hopefully we'll know by this time next year.




Sorry...I suck at spelling. One thing I've never been able to get a handle on.



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Friday, August 4, 2006 6:22 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Is alright, a lot of people have issues. That's why I created this! http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=12&t=22762&m=352237#352237
Check it out

I should add "allude" and "elude" to it, come to think... I do keep adding to it, almost daily. Amazing how confusing the language can be when you think about it.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 6:28 AM

MRSHAYCOX81


*L*

Sorry...should have noticed that first. *sigh* Oh well.

Has anyone ever heard the theory that Hermione and Harry are actually brother and sister????

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Friday, August 4, 2006 6:29 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


NO! Really? Siblings? I can't see it...

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Friday, August 4, 2006 6:34 AM

ROCKXWL


Snape is a dead man. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that he is going to die. Whether it's while fighting Harry or defending Harry from Voldemort remains to be seen.

Edit: I don't want to make a guess as to whether or not Harry will die. I really really don't want him to but it definately would not surprise me. And I think Neville is going to have some sort of huge part to play in the final battle against Voldemort. Too much time has been spent explaining how Voldemort's enemy could have easily been Neville if not for a variety of circumstances. If Harry dies, Neville is going to off Voldemort.

There's the possibility that "neither can live while the other survives" relates to Harry and Neville, not Harry and Voldy.

"What'd you all order a dead guy for?"

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Friday, August 4, 2006 6:37 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I need to go to bed. Try not to get too far ahead of me while I'm gone! (like I could stop you)

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Friday, August 4, 2006 6:47 AM

MRSHAYCOX81


Quote:

Originally posted by rockxwl:
Snape is a dead man. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that he is going to die. Whether it's while fighting Harry or defending Harry from Voldemort remains to be seen.

Edit: I don't want to make a guess as to whether or not Harry will die. I really really don't want him to but it definately would not surprise me. And I think Neville is going to have some sort of huge part to play in the final battle against Voldemort. Too much time has been spent explaining how Voldemort's enemy could have easily been Neville if not for a variety of circumstances. If Harry dies, Neville is going to off Voldemort.

"What'd you all order a dead guy for?"



Wow...yeah...Neville is definetly going to have a huge role to play in the end. I think Neville has a lot of anger to go off of , you know the whole parents crucio'd to maddness. I can see that one now. Eeee....more new and interesting theories.

I agree with you about Snape. He is so gone!
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Friday, August 4, 2006 7:05 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Ah, Harry Potter - one of the few book series where the author clearly intends for the reader to love the main character, but I just cannot stomach him. The only reason I keep reading these books is because I love all the other characters. I also have to know the end now that I've come this far. And, as much as I would really like evil to win (because that would be more realistic) and Harry to die, it probably won't happen.

Oh, and my thoughts on the Harry/Ginny relationship (and, well, most of the sixth book) - does it seem like to anyone else that Rowling was sitting there, writing, and she thought "Oops! Forgot to add this until now!" and just wrote it in real quick? To me, the whole lead-up to their relationship is really sudden, and definately unexpected - and, I don't like it. Now, I'm not a Harry/Hermione shipper, really (of course, Ron/Hermione does leave something to be desired), but Harry and Ginny together just doesn't work for me.

In fact, the more I think about these books, the more I'm dissatisfied. Now, I love the concepts Rowling brings - the hidden society of wizards - and I especially love most of the characters she brings to the table (she killed BOTH of my favorite characters in succession - it's not fair!); but, for some reason, each books seems to be written progressively worse, as if she's rushing to finish them. This could also mean that I've grown a little, and realized that her writing isn't exactly up to par; it could also be said that I don't typically enjoy hardcore fantasy. Whatever the case may be, Rowling's writing (especially in Goblet of Fire ), from my point of view, just seems to be less and less... focused.

That being said, I hold that Sirius is not dead (can't a girl have some hope?), and that Regalus (or however it is you spell the man's name) probably isn't R.A.B because it's too obvious. The theory that the 'A' is 'and' is a neat idea.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 7:18 AM

ROCKXWL


I definately understand all your opinions about not liking some of the character pairings because I've heard them from many other people also. Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately) for me Harry Potter is right up there with Lord of the Rings in that I am so invested in the characters and the world that I can find absolutely no wrong with the series (althouh I am not a big fan of the first 2 books). To me, JKR can do no wrong and for some reason I just blindly and unconditionally love the entire series and accept every emotion JKR wants to throw at me.

P.S. - My comparison to LOTR regards my investment in the world NOT the writing skill. There's no question, of course, that LOTR is much more skillfully written. I just think they're equally magnificent stories.

"What'd you all order a dead guy for?"

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Friday, August 4, 2006 7:31 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Yeah. I think that's the other reason I keep reading - I learned to get over the writing. The story is very good (because - and, hey, this reminds me of Firefly - she wasn't afraid to kill my favorite characters).

My two favorite books are #3 and #5 (gee, I wonder why... Sirius, maybe?).

Oh, and while I'm here, I'll leave my censored opinion about the movies: how horrible! The whole fourth movie, Hermione seems like she's PMSing. They're so bad, I almost feel like crying... or, killing someone. The only reason I want to see the others is out of morbid curiosity.

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Friday, August 4, 2006 10:04 AM

J6NGO1977


Ok i don't get it. Why do adults like Harry Potter? I always see grown people reading Harry Potter Novels on the train to work and I think 'Grow up'. You may ask 'where is the child in you?' mmmmmm ok if 10 year old kids can go nuts over Harry Potter, in their masses, its obvious JK Rowling aims her novels at kids. You don't see 10 year old kids going nuts over Lord of the rings or even Discworld novels. At the end of the day I am a grown up. I have never read a word of Rowling or watched a movie. SHe is a childrens writer, a good childrens writer. So why do I want to read children's books or watch childrens films(Ok Star wars, Shrek and Toy Story are kids films but that's different ). So Listen 'Harry potter and the stick of doom', your voice is broken now broke. SO go and tell all these annoying little brats to go and get into Star Wars. LOL

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Friday, August 4, 2006 10:18 AM

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Snape iws NOT bad...I will be proved right. If you want I can expound tirelessly on this, supported charmingly enough by a friend of a friend who actually reads them with a note book to jot down info...anyway, I won't unless asked, but he's good.

Why adults love Harry Potter...same reason we love Firefly... great, well written fiction with endearing, flawed, characters who make us believe in something better than ourselves.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Friday, August 4, 2006 10:36 AM

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The thing that bothers me about the line in the prophecy "neither can live while the other survives" is that, right now, both Harry and Voldemort ARE living at the same time and surviving. I understand that the general notion is that one of them has to die eventually, but just the wording of it tugs at my curiosity. The prophecy sounds pretty straightforward, but in my experiences in reading books prophecies end up meaning more than they seem.

To anyone who has a lot of time on their hands, I highly suggest reading the transcript at mugglenet.com of Rowling and the two webmasters discussing the sixth book. They held this interview immediately after reading the sixth book the night it was released. In my opinion, Rowling all but admits to RAB being Regulus Black in the interview, and they also talk about Snape and his allegiances ... anyway, here's the URL:

http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview.shtml

(It goes on for three pages.)



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Saturday, August 5, 2006 2:54 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I think what the prophesy means by "neither can live while the other survives" is that neither can be comfortable, neither can just go about their business, neither can stop looking over their shoulder until the other is dead.
I think there was plenty of build-up to the Harry/Ginny relationship. She was obviously infatuated with him, but too nervous (and young) to really come out of her shell. Then she got older, more direct, more charming, and probably prettier, and he fell for her. We see him being jealous and freaking out a little bit. I thought it was very well-written.
As for adults loving Harry Potter... Here's the thing, is that the early books are about younger kids and younger kids are really into them. But the later books are about older kids, since they get a year older in every book. It starts dealing with adult issues. Also, you can't know this if you haven't read them, but there is a lot of darkness. People die and things suck.
I do agree that 4 and 5 both seemed very rushed and I didn't enjoy them much, but I loved #6. I think that she put her foot down and took more time to write it, and also wasn't having crazy mood swings from being pregnant.
The movies suck. I stopped even going after the second one because they were butchering the story so badly. To tell the whole story in some of the later books especially, you would almost literally need an entire TV season (and how shiny would that be?). It just doesn't fit into a couple hours that well. And they changed things around and... BLAH!

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Saturday, August 5, 2006 3:15 AM

SPACEANJL


The second movie was a clip-show! And the werewolf in PoA sucked. And I still think Peter O'Toole should be Dumbledore...

Ooh, I can rant for hours.

The Snape thing is way too interesting to let alone. Conflicted, messed-up and bitter - he's been living a double (triple?) life for nearly half his own life.

What gets me with the books is the sense of a much bigger, darker world struggling to break free of a kid's book. The scenes we start to get that Harry isn't involved in (the Prime Minister, for instance) show a really complex society, with political issues. She's bringing her readers into that world, consistent with their ages. But there is some very dark stuff in there - the child abuse implicit in book 1 is lightly drawn, very Roald Dahl (did it remind anyone else of 'James and the Giant Peach'?) but by about bk 3 or 4, that kind of scene would be very much edgier.


And is anyone else squicked out about the thought of the fact that the Weasley house and all the secrets therein are now in Wormtail's head, and by implication, open to the Big V?

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Saturday, August 5, 2006 5:01 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Oh, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Peter O'Toole should be Dumbledore!!! Seriously, why isn't he?
Rowling was, I think, unfortunate to get pigeonholed into the "children's book" genre after she wrote the first book. It is very, very difficult to break free of something like that once it's pinned on you. Particularly successful authors tend to be pressured to write the same type of book, which is why I think a lot of things are glossed over in the series; there's no real swearing written out and basically no mention whatsoever of anything sexual until book six, and even that is pretty minor. No pun intended...
So even though it really should be even more in-depth than it is, exploring more and more adult themes, she's doubtless being told from all sides to keep "writing for children". I know she was widely critized for putting death in the books, even though it wasn't until the fourth book, which is longer than most novels aimed at adults.
I'd almost like to see her re-do the entire series as a grittier story for adults.
"James and the Giant Peach"... I hadn't thought of that before, but it was pretty similar, wasn't it?

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Saturday, August 5, 2006 5:29 PM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN


can someone please tell me where the R.A.B thing came from?





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Saturday, August 5, 2006 6:00 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Um, Half-Blood Prince, maybe? You've read all the books, right? You didn't come onto a spoilerific thread without having read all the books, surely!

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Saturday, August 5, 2006 6:02 PM

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The horocrux Dumbledore and Harry went for was a fake, and inside of it there was a note swearing the destruction of Voldemort from someone with the initials R. A. B.

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Saturday, August 5, 2006 6:28 PM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Um, Half-Blood Prince, maybe? You've read all the books, right? You didn't come onto a spoilerific thread without having read all the books, surely!




of course I have. not reading all the books and then coming here would be F** exec level stupidity.


but, I haven't read it since it came out, and as you know I forget things.



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Saturday, August 5, 2006 7:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by amyel:
The horocrux Dumbledore and Harry went for was a fake, and inside of it there was a note swearing the destruction of Voldemort from someone with the initials R. A. B.



thank you



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Sunday, August 6, 2006 7:55 PM

GED


So I've finally finished The Half-Blood Prince, and I have to say it was amazing. Such a great story and I can't wait til th next one comes out. I have to go back now and reread Order of the Phoenix, with more detail in mind now. Anyway, here are my views on the Wizarding world.

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Originally posted by msg:
Snape iws NOT bad...I will be proved right. If you want I can expound tirelessly on this, supported charmingly enough by a friend of a friend who actually reads them with a note book to jot down info...anyway, I won't unless asked, but he's good.

Why adults love Harry Potter...same reason we love Firefly... great, well written fiction with endearing, flawed, characters who make us believe in something better than ourselves.



I agree here with MSG on both counts. I believe that Dumbledore's trust in Snape was not misplaced. Like Harry who didn't want to feed Dumbledore the draught inside the cave, I believe that Snape followed Dumbledore's orders as well. When Dumbledore said "Severus... please," I believe that he wanted Severus to continue the ruse and actually kill Dumbledore. Also if you notice, Snape prevented Harry from casting an unforgivable curse when he was chasing him. Little did he know that Harry had already performed one in the Ministry in the Order of the Phoenix. Snape was also unaware of the Death Eater's presence in Hogwarts. Killing Dumbledore would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to Voldemort that he truly was his follower; and as such continue the ruse until Harry could fulfill the prophecy.

As to why we like Harry Potter, I also agree with her on this. It's the same reason we love Firefly - excellent writing, well-developed characters, and a mighty interesting storyline. You probably don't understand why people like because you haven't read or seen any of the movies. Like Firefly, once people see it, they can see the quality of the series, the writing, and the actors. I highly suggest reading the books, and you can learn, understand, and appreciate the world she has created. It's brilliant.

As to R.A.B is, I also believe that it will be Regulus Black. Rowling also mentioned, if I'm not mistaken, that 2 main characters will die in the next and final installment of the series. I believe one of the characters to die will be Voldemort, and the other possibly Hagrid. I'd hate to see that lovable guy go, but he's close to Harry, Ron, and Hermione, and is kind of expendable (sorry to sound so cold). His life is Hogwarts. I mean, I guess he could go do some creature conservatory stuff if he's not to be at Hogwarts.

As for Dumbledore, what was with the flames around his body and the phoenix rising from it? Was it merely the encasing of him in his tomb, or was he reborn somehow, like the phoenix? I'm not sure on this, but I do believe that he is dead as the phoenix lamented for him, his portrait appeared as a former Hogwart's headmaster in his study, and that McGonagall was granted access and rights to the Headmaster's study.

As for the ending, it could be that this was all a dream to Harry and he wakes up in the last book. Who knows? Maybe he'll wake up with the scar still on his head.

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Sunday, August 6, 2006 7:59 PM

GED


Oh yeah, as for Harry and Ginny, I saw that coming since the Chamber of Secrets since she was so love struck by him. I only had an inkling back then, but after the Goblet of Fire and the whole Cho incident, I had pretty much pegged Ginny and Harry pairing off.

As for Ron and Hermione, they so need to get together already. I mean seriously, if they don't get together in the next book I'm going to be pissed.

I was also delighted to see that Fleur still wanted to marry Bill after he'd been horribly maimed by Greyback. That was a nice touch.

Also, does anyone see the main theme shared by Rowling and Joss? Love. It keeps your ship in the air and it defeats evil. Shiny.

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Sunday, August 6, 2006 8:16 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Dumbledore has always had very close ties to a phoenix, in many forms. Maybe that's why I like him so much. He's friends with a phoenix, his patronous is a phoenix, and when his body is burned, his spirit escapes in the form of a phoenix. I thought it was a beautiful end and I'm not sure it was supposed to be anything else. I doubt he'll come back in anything but picture form, but it's still a symbol of hope for Harry.

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