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Saturday, August 19, 2006 4:29 PM

EVILDINOSAUR


So I know there's a few stargate fans on this site so I figured I'd bring my questions here. I doubt anyone can give me an answer to them, but just for fun, some things that have come to mind as I watch stargate...

1) What would happen if you went through the stargate backwards, meaning you walk through the side opposite where the vortex was?

2) Speaking of the vortex (or the whoosh, watever you wanna call it) why doesn't it destroy the iris when the wormhole forms with the iris closed?

3) ...I know I had a third question, it escapes me at the moment, I'll return when I find it

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 5:17 PM

JOSSISAGOD


In answer to your questions.

1. I don't know what would happen if the SG team went in the opposite way. It would be interesting to find out.

2. The Stargate is Ancient technology, I'm sure they(The Ancients) built the Iris into the Stargate, probably out of a metal resistant to the gate's event horizon. Or it the Iris could be sheilded somehow.

in short, I don't know the answers to your questions. Maybe if I someone has a fanmail address(for Stargate's creators), we could send our questions in, and find out.

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 6:20 PM

KENOBIUS


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Originally posted by jossisagod:
In answer to your questions.

1. I don't know what would happen if the SG team went in the opposite way. It would be interesting to find out.

2. The Stargate is Ancient technology, I'm sure they(The Ancients) built the Iris into the Stargate, probably out of a metal resistant to the gate's event horizon. Or it the Iris could be sheilded somehow.



Finally, I can use some of my Stargate geekness!

1. I think it was stated early in the show's history that walking through the opposite side of an active wormhole would result in an instant molecular destruction. Kinda like if you are standing in the path of the event horizon as it forms.

2. This is more of a toughie. It was explained also in the first season. I'll do my best to paraphrase. Basically, the iris sits so close to the gate that a wormhole will form, but the ka-swoosh part doesn't have enough room to materialize. I THINK that's how the described it.

But hold on, you say, they also have established that burying a gate will not allow a wormhole to establish at all. Makes sense, right? BUT, there was an episode where the gate was buried but the rubble wasn't close enough to the gate and a wormhole and event horizon formed, making a hole to which Teal'c could get access to.

So, the short-short of it: If something dense enough is flush (touching) the gate, no wormhole can form. Anything less dense, like sand, will allow a wormhole and event horizon to form. And if something is just microscopically away from the gate, a wormhole will form, but no event horizon.

Also, the Ancients did not build the earth iris, that was done in the pilot episode after Apophis first traveled to Earth.


EDIT: If you want something more tangable than my ramblings, http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/technology/links/iris.shtml, might serve you better.


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Saturday, August 19, 2006 7:42 PM

JOSSISAGOD


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Originally posted by Kenobius
EDIT: If you want something more tangable than my ramblings,



Nope, that's good enough for me! I just try to watch the show, I'm not really thinking TOO hard about the details that don't emediately(sp) make sense, that and I'm too young to remember the first season.

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Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by Kenobius:
But hold on, you say, they also have established that burying a gate will not allow a wormhole to establish at all. Makes sense, right? BUT, there was an episode where the gate was buried but the rubble wasn't close enough to the gate and a wormhole and event horizon formed, making a hole to which Teal'c could get access to.




that was because the gate was hit by a metior, which melted some of the naquadah into an iris-like sheild, preventing the rubble from sealing the gate, they had to re-melt the naquadah away with a laser-like weapon (kinda like what Sokar tried to do) and then re-dial the gate lightiening fast causing the unstable vortex to ka-whoosh out and clear a tunnel, which allowed Teal'c to drill his way out and rescue Col. O'neill.



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Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:00 AM

CYBERSNARK


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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
1) What would happen if you went through the stargate backwards, meaning you walk through the side opposite where the vortex was?

You die.

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2) Speaking of the vortex (or the whoosh, watever you wanna call it) why doesn't it destroy the iris when the wormhole forms with the iris closed?
Actually, they only started leaving the iris closed when they built a new one out of trinium alloy --supposedly it's the one substance strong enough to stand up to the kawoosh.

The first iris was made out of steel or titanium, or some other conventional metal. They had to leave it open for the wormhole to form, then slam it shut after the event horizon stabilized. This occasionally allowed enemy weapons-fire to slip through. That iris was lost to a black hole (long story), and they built a new one out of trinium. Because trinium is so strong, they now tend to leave the iris closed by default, and only open it after receiving a friendly IDC.

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Monday, August 21, 2006 6:18 AM

KENOBIUS


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Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kenobius:
But hold on, you say, they also have established that burying a gate will not allow a wormhole to establish at all. Makes sense, right? BUT, there was an episode where the gate was buried but the rubble wasn't close enough to the gate and a wormhole and event horizon formed, making a hole to which Teal'c could get access to.




that was because the gate was hit by a metior, which melted some of the naquadah into an iris-like sheild, preventing the rubble from sealing the gate, they had to re-melt the naquadah away with a laser-like weapon (kinda like what Sokar tried to do) and then re-dial the gate lightiening fast causing the unstable vortex to ka-whoosh out and clear a tunnel, which allowed Teal'c to drill his way out and rescue Col. O'neill.



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Oh yeah! I completly forgot about that. It's been awhile since I binged out on SG-1. Still, 100 Days is a great episode.


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Monday, August 21, 2006 6:24 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


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If I remember correctly, another problem was that the stargate was lying flat. So when they initially launched a probe, it immediatly fell back into the stargate and was destroyed. Part of the danger Teal'c faced was that he had to secure himself above the gate so that he didn't fall back in.

That's a pretty vague description I know, but I'm going by memory here.




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Monday, August 21, 2006 10:04 AM

CHOO1701


waaaaaiiitt.....THe Iris is closed AFTER the "Ka-Woosh".

Next bit of info from Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_%28device%29#Gate_obstruction


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Gate obstruction

A gate obstructed by means of burialA wormhole is prevented from forming if a significant obstruction is present inside the Stargate's ring. Consequently, it is fairly common for Stargates to be semi- or permanently sealed by burying them, invalidating that Stargate address.

Another means of controlling travel through a Stargate is by placing a barrier a minuscule distance (less than three μm, in the case of the Earth's Iris) from the event horizon, which allows the wormhole to form but prevents the reconstitution of matter upon arrival through the gate. In other words, a connection can be made but any matter trying to exit the gate will not regain its original structure, and hence will be annihilated. The Iris on the Earth Stargate and the Shield on the Atlantis Stargate perform this function, and have been seen to be used as an effective defensive precaution, whilst still allowing radio communication through the open wormhole.

Iris-type barriers also suppress the kawoosh, but are not the only way to achieve this. Several aliens, including the Asgard and the Nox have demonstrated the



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Monday, August 21, 2006 11:32 AM

STEGASAURUS


One thing that I always found funny is that the Iris was constructed after the SG-1's team's first trip through the gate. It was obviously added by attaching the material to the back of the gate, since you do not see it on the front of the gate. However, you are led to believe that it closes in front of the event horizon of the wormhole. Given that the material is attached on the back of the gate, then it would follow that the material actually crosses the event horizon to close in front of it.

I liked the Ancient's (Alcaran's) solution better: a forcefield.

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Monday, August 21, 2006 1:57 PM

CYBERSNARK


Actually the Iris folds away inside the gate. There's a little gap between the front and back, and you can see something between (on angled shots) that probably serves as the projector for the event horizon.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:49 AM

STEGASAURUS


I always thought the thing you saw inside was the inside of the ring with the symbols that spun around. Hehe, not trying to nit-pick the show apart, cause it's my fav. It's just like one of those things that gits stuck in Jane's mind and drives him mad 'til he gets to his bunk.

Ok well....maybe not one of THOSE things...but well, I think you get the idea.

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