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Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:01 AM

CYBERSNARK


Hiro updated his blog, finally: http://blog.nbc.com/hiro_blog/

This was apparently written in the limo, before reuniting with Ando and getting in contact with Peter. At least this confirms to me the time lag on the posts (about 5 days after the episode) --which I can write off as being an effect of his posting through the Yamagato server way back in Japan.

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Instead of a cape, he wears pajamas when he flies.
*snicker*

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Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:59 PM

WINDSTRUCK


I like Nathan's flight power. It's Booom and then Zoom! I wonder why that bald guy did not stop him from flying out.






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Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:10 PM

CALHOUN


Whats with only 8 episodes listed for the season?

8 episodes makes it more like a mini series, is there even going to be a season 2?

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Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:52 PM

N0SKILLZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Calhoun:
Whats with only 8 episodes listed for the season?

8 episodes makes it more like a mini series, is there even going to be a season 2?



It might be like Season 2 of Battlestar, where they cut it up. and also on Pysch, the rest of the season starts in Jan.

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Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:34 AM

CYBERSNARK


Heroes got the full-season pickup a while ago. Usual first order is 13 eps (as we saw with Firefly), with the "bank nine" ordered depending on ratings.

We're what, five eps in? We should have 17 more to go. Of course, it's possible NBC might pull a "Prison Break" and suddenly go on mid-season hiatus until March.

No word on Season 2 yet, but if ratings continue as they are, NBC would have to be stupid to not order another year. Of course, they're a TV network, so I anticipate nothing until S2 is formally announced and the ink dry on contracts.

I'll keep my eyes peeled for news and pass it back here.

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Monday, October 30, 2006 2:03 AM

PATSRULE


The reason Prison Break is doing the hiatus thing is because it takes too long to produce the episodes. They would fall behind schedule and need a break regardless. If Heroes has a break, it would be for the same reason.

No worries, about next season. I will be back unless the people working on the show decide it is only supposed to be a one year show and wrap everything up.

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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:47 AM

MAVOURNEEN


ok, sharp eyed Heroes fans...

Someone on zap2it.com just posted that Micah had the Wonderfalls wax lion on his nightstand. Did anyone else see it? I didn't.

Could this mean Micah has powers? Talking to inanimate objects?

If anyone has this tivoed from last night, can you look at the episode and find out?

Thanks-


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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:23 AM

DEEPGIRL187


It's quite possible that Micah has powers anyway; both of his parents obviously do. In any case, I feel badly for him and Nikki. He's lost one of his parents and Nikki's lost her son. And it seems she's starting to lose the fight against her other half as well (or perhaps giving in to her other half). And it's nice to see Leonard Roberts as a good guy for a change. I hated Forrest.

I hope Isaac is going to be okay. If the good guys lose him, they're going to be directionless. I wonder if Peter has to be in contact with the others to use their powers, or if he can call on their abilities at any time.

Six more days until the next episode. *sigh*

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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:31 AM

REDLAVA


Looks like everything is going to start to come together next week. Can't wait.

After watching the scenes with the supposed cheerleaders bio-parents. Do you think that the Dad found her real parents at some point and wiped their memory and then just round up a couple of friends to pose as the bio-parents?

A theory that I have is that the Dad is actually good and he will turn out to be the Professor X of Heroes.

Just calling it now.


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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Calhoun:
Whats with only 8 episodes listed for the season?

8 episodes makes it more like a mini series, is there even going to be a season 2?


They already have a full season 22 episode order. Perhaps the list you have seen is just the ones filmed and edited so far.

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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
ok, sharp eyed Heroes fans...

Someone on zap2it.com just posted that Micah had the Wonderfalls wax lion on his nightstand. Did anyone else see it? I didn't.


My dvr screwed up (or I did) and it didn't record last night, although I watched it. It will be Friday before I can check on that, but it does make sense because Bryan Fuller, the co-creator of Wonderfalls, is one of the producer-writers for Heroes.

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Originally posted by Redlava:
A theory that I have is that the Dad is actually good and he will turn out to be the Professor X of Heroes.

Just calling it now.


I thought that at first myself, but after last night I'm not so sure. The look he had on his face when Eden told him about the "save the cheerleader" message was not encouranging.



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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:41 PM

GEEKYGAL21


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Anybody check to see whether that X-Men reference (Kitty Pryde travelling through time) is legit?



Actually DL seems to be more of a Kitty Pride character..

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Wednesday, November 1, 2006 4:01 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


After watching the episode Monday night I would have to say that the people claiming to be Claire's real parents are not truly her biological parents. My opinion based off of Claire's adopted father's conversation with them outside is that they were actor's hired to portray her biological parents to throw her off of asking about them. My guess is that Claire's adoptive father doesn't want her digging around into her past too much.

So Niki's alter ego is the one that killed the guys at the poker game, set up her husband, killed his crew and stole the $2 million leaving hubby to rot in jail. The whole conversation between Niki and her evil double was pretty creepy and interesting. The throwdown between her and DL was pretty cool. I liked his Vision/Shadowcat trick of inserting his partially phased hand into her body and causing her to black out.

Can't wait to see what happens next week.

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Wednesday, November 1, 2006 7:25 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
So Niki's alter ego is the one that killed the guys at the poker game, set up her husband, killed his crew and stole the $2 million leaving hubby to rot in jail.

As shown directly by this week's comic: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/

The easter egg this week links to one of Isaac's paintings:

Those are locker doors. Like you'd find in a high school. Apparently being thrown telekinetically, either at Pete or by him, using someone's powers.

Looks like there's gonna be an X-Men-style power battle, probably at Claire's school.

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Wednesday, November 1, 2006 7:57 AM

REGINAROADIE


I think that Mohinder will be the Professor X type (he pretty much is, since he's the one giving the voice-overs about evolution), while Horn-Rimmed Glasses (aka. Claire's dad) I think is going to be the Magneto type.

I liked the two scenes with Hiro in the car with Ando, with the first one played for laughs ("I have a sword.") and the second one with Ando talking some sense into him, about being on a journey and that you can't start at the end. "Otherwise, they won't be able to make a movie out of it."

Or a kick-ass TV show in this case.

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"We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?"
"Four"
You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?"
"We would destroy the Cybermen with ONE Dalek. You are superior in only one respect."
"What is that?"
"You are better at dying."

Trash talk between a Cyberman and a Dalek. It doesn't get any better than that.

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Wednesday, November 1, 2006 9:07 AM

GRIZWALD


Yeah, I loved that sword thing. I just knew how he would react to that!

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Wednesday, November 1, 2006 9:47 AM

CYBERSNARK


As someone posted in another forum:

"Hiro didn't come from a future where he has to carry a sword. He came from a future where he gets to carry a sword."



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Thursday, November 2, 2006 4:30 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Ok, the online graphic novel clears up Niki's involvement with DL's crew. Looks like she was in it for the money to take care of her kid. The gang turns on her and evil Niki smokes them and buries them in the desert. That explains what happened there, but not how DL got the wrap for it. Did Niki's evil persona actually frame him?

The painting by Issac I have seen on the show. I knew it was Pete because it looks just like him from the flying painting that Isaac had in his loft. I recognized the locker doors and figured they must be from Claire's high school. No doubt it is where Pete goes to Texas to save her from Sylar. Looks like we are in for a super powers battle.

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Tuesday, November 7, 2006 10:17 AM

CYBERSNARK


Another fairly slow ep this week, but we find a couple of new powers: radiation guy who was working for Sylar, and Micah finally demonstrates his childish badassitude (he's a technopath!! And he can distinguish between Jennifer/Nikki). He also now knows about Hiro's time-travelling (or will, when the next issue of 9th Wonders hits the stands). Wonder if he'll tell his dad.

I'm worried about Isaac's disappearance now, obviously connected to Bennet's agent.

Also worth noting that we've already seen the future change: when Hiro time-travelled here earlier to find Isaac's body, his pictures were still around. That's no longer the case.

Looks like future-Hiro was the cause: he told Peter, which got him to pass the message about "the cheerleader" to Mohinder, thence to Mr. Bennett, which precipitated Isaac being removed from the equation.

Wait, that means that "our" Hiro couldn't have found Isaac in the future, which means he's recalling an alternate timeline. Could this be the "rift" the Hiros foreshadowed? . . . I hate time-travel!!

Anyway, new comic up, with rapidly degenerating art and a dialogue/factual error (American license plates don't have that many characters).

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_007.shtml

The Easter Egg this week leads to Isaac's incomplete painting, the one Pete finished.


The interesting thing here is the name of the pic: HRS_SylarGymFlr_clr.jpg. Those lines on the background do look like the hardwood floor of a gym. Looks like more evidence of the high-school-based power battle: SPECULATIVE SPOILERS

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Sylar goes to track down Claire, while his flunkies hold off the rescuers. The final showdown happens in the gym. . .



Looks like Sylar is, as Hiro would put it, the level boss.

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Tuesday, November 7, 2006 10:25 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Same here...SPECULATIVE SPOILER ALERT

I post over at zap2it.com, and this woman Mandy posted this today. Rocked me back on my heels for a moment.

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I thought this theory deserved a seperate post. Please give your opinions. I know who Sylar is. I think he is Future Peter.
We all know that Peter can use the powers of whatever super he is near. I think if he kills the super, he can absorb their powers permantley. Sylar can fly-Nathan, Heal-Claire, I think the mindcontrol will come from Matt's powers (read and control minds like Jean Grey and Professor X on X-men), and if my theory is correct, he would be able to come back to the future if he had Hiro's powers. I think that is why Future Hiro chose to appear to Peter on the train. Peter will have to make a choice between good and evil- being the one they need.
I think some of this theory developed with the revelation of Peter's darker side in the past episode and his obessesion with being "someone special." Wanting to be someone special does not a Hero make. And Hiro is all about the heroic values, so he could have come back to instill those in Peter.
If this is correct, I should expect NBC to offer me a job...

Mandy | Nov 7, 2006 10:01:26 AM | #

Hmmmmm...and I also like the term "technopath."


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Tuesday, November 7, 2006 11:59 AM

DEEPGIRL187


What I'm interested in (besides Micah's new abilities) is the next episode. Is it possible that Claire's dad isn't one of the big bads? He might just be trying to protect Claire, but using extreme means to do so. Maybe he's using Sylar (if that is him, I'm not entirely sure) to find out more information about everyone's powers. And by the way, what is the cop's name? I can never remember.

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Wednesday, November 8, 2006 6:51 AM

CYBERSNARK


The cop's name is Matt Parkman. We haven't yet seen Sylar's face (the closest we've come is the guy Matt and FBI-girl were fighting, who she seemed to think was Sylar, but was only seen in silhouette).

As for Mr. Bennett, I'll crosspost what I just wrote on another forum:

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The other thing I noticed is that we're seeing signs of two different factions behind the scenes.

As you're all noting, Mr. Bennett isn't actually doing anything really malevolent. He's just cataloguing and "tagging" the mutants. He doesn't seem involved with the murderous brain-stealers, who either work for or include Sylar. In fact, the "save the cheerleader" message seemed to genuinely shock him --he hadn't realized that Claire was in any danger.

Plus we know that the spy he planted on Mohinder isn't working with Sylar (one: I'm guessing it was one of Sylar's men that tried to bug the apartment, and two: Isaac's not dead, he's been disappeared).

Other powers we've seen at play include: super-strength (the guy that tried to bug Mohinder's apartment and kicked him across a room), telekinesis (used to pin that woman to the wall and impale her, and likely also the one who destroyed Mohinder's father's cab, and used by what was apparently Sylar himself to attack the FBI woman), and freezing (used on the murder victim Matt saw). We also know that Radioactive Man was either working for Sylar or in the process of being recruited.

Meanwhile, Bennett has "Jammer" (the mind-wipe guy), and his mole, who doesn't appear to have any powers of her own. Bennett obviously has resources, but aside from Jammer we haven't seen any confirmed mutants working with him. I'm guessing that he's either running a vigilante op or is part of a (government?) program aimed at cataloguing the mutants as either potential threats or potential weapons (maybe preparatory to a "Weapon X" style program, or mutant registration/concentration camps). . .

Here's a possibility: Mr. Bennett finds out about Sylar hunting down and killing mutants (and about the potential nuking of NY [from Isaac]), and organizes all the mutants he knows about to stop them (both from destroying NY and from hurting his daughter, for whom he seems to have a genuine fondness for). It comes down to a duel between Sylar's gang and Bennett's "X-Men" over Claire (in Claire's high school, where Sylar chases down Claire [and finally corners her in the gym] while his thugs take on the good guys [using telekinetics to attack Peter]).



Glasses is smart enough to realize that the normal authorities aren't remotely prepared to deal with mutants, so forming a group of mutant enforcers is the logical next-best thing. Having Matt (a cop) and Hiro (who, as noted, is well aware of the moral repurcussions of power) on the team would be a good form of insurance to keep the team on the right side.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 4:44 AM

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We also know that Radioactive Man was either working for Sylar or in the process of being recruited.




Please help me out here. Maybe I missed something. I was under the impression by the end of the last episode that there was no connection between "Radioactive Guy" and Sylar. I thought they just mis-read the bizarre death and assumed it had something to do with Sylar just due to the bizarre nature of it. It does appear that Horn-Rimmed had investigated Radio guy in the past based on the mark he and Matt shared. Did I miss something else that linked him and Sylar?



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Monday, November 13, 2006 5:58 AM

CYBERSNARK


I'll grant that I may have been missing something, but I thought it was the trail to Sylar (who we're reasonably confident is the one responsible for the brain-stealers) that ended up leading them to the nuked house. At the time I assumed that Sylar had said or done something that made Radioactive Man lose his temper (and with it control of his powers).

I may have internalized speculation from another board, that RM was either already in Sylar's pocket or would be by the time he nuked New York (the assumption that he'll be involved is just that, but not an entirely groundless possibility).

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Monday, November 13, 2006 7:30 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Has anyone read the latest Entertainment Weekly? There's some interesting info about the actors, as well as some possible theories about the characters. My favorite was that Nikki/Jennifer is actually Sylar. Not the most plausible idea, but interesting nonetheless.

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Monday, November 13, 2006 7:36 AM

REGINAROADIE


I read that article too, and when I looked at some of the actors resumes on imdb.com, I was surprised to see that the gal who plays Claire on the show was the same gal that voiced Dot in A BUG'S LIFE. And I remember her from years ago when she had that really high, squeaky voice, and also from MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE when she was Jessica, the big haired gal that was always messing with Malcolm. I was floored to realize that she was playing the cheerleader.

As for the guy that was radioactive in last weeks ep, I think Radiation Dude is a more appropriate term for him instead of Radioactive Man, because he seems more dude than man, and since Radiation Dude is a knock-off of Radioactive Man, it would fit the character who I think is more of a one-off character instead of one of the Heroes.

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"We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?"
"Four"
You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?"
"We would destroy the Cybermen with ONE Dalek. You are superior in only one respect."
"What is that?"
"You are better at dying."

Trash talk between a Cyberman and a Dalek. It doesn't get any better than that.

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:07 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Two theories after last night's episode:

1) Radioactive Man (or whatever we want to call him) is the source of the nuclear like explosion we see in NYC. How better to sneak in a nuclear device than to have it contained inside a person. He has told Matt & the FBI lady a couple of times that shooting him would not be a good idea. What if something like a bullet penetrating him when he is putting off radioactivity caused some sort of explosion similar to that of a nuclear warhead? Could be that Radioactive Man is the cause of the explosion. Could he be on his way to NYC now since he "escaped" the feds?

2) Sylar is stealing the brains of heroes or potential heroes to give them to some sort of secret cabal for study. Radioactive Man and Matt both spoke of "blacking out" or "losing" days from their life. Could it be that Claire's dad & the Haitian telepath are removing mental blocks that prevent hero potentials from using their powers? Perhaps Claire's dad wants people with powers to counter Sylar and his group to protect his daughter.

Thoughts?

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:43 AM

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Those are valid theories, especially the first one. Radioactive Man, or Bomb man* (we could devote a whole thread to nicknaming these guys), certainly seems to have the potential to do some damage, I’m just not sure he has the power to wipe out New York.

Claire’s dad is a little more puzzling to me. I did miss the episode two weeks ago that may have shown his true intentions. I’m not sure he’s on the up & up. Didn’t he tell the Haitian to “clean them out”…? (Referring to some of the captured heroes)…

Next week’s ep seems to have a few answers.

All in all, I’ve got say that it’s good to know that there are still some moderately creative minds working in the industry. The garbage still far outweighs the entertaining on the boob tube.

*RA Man or Bomb guy – I don’t know this actors name, but isn’t he one of the Cavemen from the Geico (?) commercials? Those guys are great and it seems like a good idea for a tv show – cavemen in 2006 – sounds funny, although my wife continues to claim that there are plenty of Neanderthals alive and well today as it is.

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:51 AM

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*RA Man or Bomb guy – I don’t know this actors name, but isn’t he one of the Cavemen from the Geico (?) commercials? Those guys are great and it seems like a good idea for a tv show – cavemen in 2006 – sounds funny, although my wife continues to claim that there are plenty of Neanderthals alive and well today as it is.


Next year's big hit show - Cavemen vs. Astronauts.



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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:58 AM

CYBERSNARK


I repeat my theory that Claire's dad was just "tag-and-releasing" the mutants (I'm guessing that Jammer's job was to wipe their memories so they wouldn't remember being taken --and thus wouldn't try to track him down). The news a couple of weeks ago about "the cheerleader" being in danger seem to have precipitated his current actions. You'll note that he hadn't really made a move until getting that message. As soon as he received it, he made the call to bring in Isaac.

His knowledge of Sylar is intriguing. Maybe Sylar's former member of his team (I feel safe in speculating that Eden has powers as well; she seems able to implant suggestions --which explains why Mohinder was so trusting).

I'm genuinely worried for Hiro now. I can't help but think that the next time we see him he'll be deeply changed. Plus I don't see how he's gonna save the waitress; it would invalidate the entire timeline (even though I kinda hope he does, they make a cute couple). It looks like he went back too far, maybe on purpose. I'm hoping they don't pull a "Witchblade" and use the second season to "re-tell" the first season in another timeline (it was a cool idea, but it sidelines any future developments until the next season --plus then we'd end up with a "Crisis" ).

I know Hiro will be back in some form, though; the banner Claire's working on appears in one of Isaac's paintings; bloodstained, with Hiro and Ando standing in front of it.

I'm curious how Mohinder's dream-walking friend is gonna fit in. On another forum, people are speculating that the kid is actually Mohinder's sister (or the ghost of her, in his mind), but then why would Chandra have "him" filed under a different name? Is he the Patient Zero? We know Glasses has been dealing with mutants for at least 15 years, so that pushes Zero back at least that far.

It's also interesting that Chandra was killed by hand (instead of by telekinesis) --it doesn't fit Sylar's M.O. We've seen (in the comic) the wreckage of Chandra's cab, and we can tell that a telekinetic (or someone with super strength) ripped it open). Speaking of super strength, snapping someone's neck like that isn't easy, the leverage was all wrong, and human necks are designed not to be snapped in the first place.

How's this: Strong Man killed Chandra, then tried to bug Mohinder's apartment (in the first episode), and is apparently working for. . . I had assumed Sylar (as is freezing guy), but Sylar doesn't seem the type to resort to bugging. Could he have been one of Mr. Bennett's, who got caught, provoking Eden to step in and improvise?

So, to recap:

Mr. Bennett's team:
Mr. Bennett
Eden (power of suggestion)
"Jammer"/The Haitian (power suppression, memory control)
Isaac (precognition)
[Possibly "Strong Man"]

Sylar's team:
Sylar (telekinetic)
??? (ice powers)
[Possibly "Strong Man"]

At large:
Pete (power mimicry)
Nathan (flight)
Hiro (time/space control)
Nikki (alternate personality with increased strength)
Micah (technopathy)
DL (phasing)
Claire (healing factor) (possibly tagged)
Ted/"Radioactive Man" (radiation control) (tagged)
Matt (receptive telepathy) (tagged)
Mohinder (powers unknown)
??? (dream-walker)

Incidentally, this week's comic focuses on Isaac: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_008.shtml

The easter egg. . . leads to a dead image, but the title suggests it involves Hiro & Ando. Possibly it's another of Isaac's paintings (following the pattern of the last two weeks).

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:23 AM

ROCKETJOCK


Ah, someone else who thinks Sprague ("Radioactive Man") is the Geico caveman. I noticed the resemblance myself.

The actor's name is Matthew John Armstrong, but neither Wikipedia nor IMDB clarify if he's the neanderthal in question.

On another subject, I've noticed a few people on this thread debating what to call the super-powered individuals, with "mutant" and "metahuman" being the front-runners. Those terms, however, are closely tied up with pre-existing fictional universes -- as are all of the following:

Abberant
Paranormal
Science Hero/Science Villian
Special
Super
Super Freak
Ultra
Wild Card
Wild Talent

--along with others too numerous to list.

I'd like to suggest that the proper term is the most obvious: Hero, plural Heroes.

The classical meaning of the word, from Greco-Roman mythology, does not specify a "good guy"; it means "one whose ancestry is part God", (especially if they exhibit special powers or attributes). This strikes me as a fine metaphor for the genetically-enhanced individuals on the show.

Note also that the show itself, in its promos and voice overs, tends towards this usage. (Sprague is referred to as a "new hero", although his use of his powers so far has been less than "heroic" in the modern sense.)

Thus we have Heroes of all stripes; "Heroic" heroes like Hiro Nakamura, "Villanous" heroes like Sylar, and characters like Nathan Petrelli who don't exactly fit into either category.

Kind of like real life.





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Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:32 AM

CYBERSNARK


It's also used that way in certain game-verses, where a "hero" is a leader or unusually powerful character --kill/capture the opposing team's heroes, and you win. In other cases, the heroes are the ones exempt from the game mechanics (like in a Star Wars game, where you can fight alongside an invincible Luke Skywalker).

Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine, and Lord Sedriss are referred to as "Dark Side Heroes" in Star Wars, because they are "hero" characters who just happen to be bad guys.

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:10 PM

REGINAROADIE


I think I mentioned this before on this very thread, but if we're going to be giving the heroes actual names, I'd like to nominate for Claire the monkiter of "Buffy 2.0", since Buffy was an indestructible cheerleader that pre-dated Claire by about ten years.

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"Four"
You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?"
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Trash talk between a Cyberman and a Dalek. It doesn't get any better than that.

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM

CYBERSNARK


Actually, Buffy isn't indestructible, she's just very, very tough, and she doesn't heal nearly as fast as Claire. Claire also has no Slayer strength, no prophetic dreams, and is not the latest in a long line (that we know of).

OTOH, Claire's healing factor is pretty much the exact same special effect as Logan's in the X-movies, and her dad (however benevolent he might appear) has, as someone on another forum phrased it, "the stink of the Weapon-X program on him."

Pretty much the only real similarities are that they're both blond cheerleaders.

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:07 PM

REGINAROADIE


I guess your right in that aspect. Plus, Buffy died twice in the series and has come back from the dead (even though the first time she died, it was more of a "heart stopped for a few seconds" than a full out death that her second one was).

But with Claire, I don't think she can actually die. I mean, when your head gets impaled on a pointy stick, and you wind up in the morgue with your chest cracked open and some of your organs harvested and be able to heal from that fairly quickly, I think it's going to be pretty hard to actually kill her.

I just think that is Joss saw the show (Surprised he hasn't been singing his praises for this show yet), after the inital "Wow this rocks!!!", he'd be contacting his lawyer to see if he can successfully sue Tim Kring for basically copying his bread and butter character and making a few minor changes.

I'm still calling her Buffy 2.0.

And on a similar topic, does anyone here think the whole 'character coming back to life' thing you see in fantast/sci-fi one of the worst cliches? I just get sick of seeing characters that were supposed to have died constantly coming back to life in one way or another. I think it just cheapens death as a dramatic moment in a story if a character dies and then comes back as if it were a vacation. Whatever happened to a character dying, AND THEY REMAINED DEAD. The only time I ever really bought that was in SIX FEET UNDER. Whever you see someone talkign to a dead person on that show, they're not really talking to the dead person's ghost, but an aspect of that character's sub-conscious personified.

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"We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?"
"Four"
You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?"
"We would destroy the Cybermen with ONE Dalek. You are superior in only one respect."
"What is that?"
"You are better at dying."

Trash talk between a Cyberman and a Dalek. It doesn't get any better than that.

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:59 PM

SWEETSERENDIPITY


Ok, I'm always late in getting on the train for the new cool thing, well I'm not too far behind on this one. I just watched all the eps online today. I just got thru the graphic novels.

One question. I know there are supposed to be easter eggs in the graphic novels, but I don't think I found any. I did notice the word Soma twice, once on Claire's shoe and again on the license plate of the white car that Matt brought down. What the hell is Soma? Anyone?

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by sweetserendipity:
What the hell is Soma? Anyone?

Deb



I'm pretty sure it means sleep.

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Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:30 AM

CYBERSNARK


The Easter Eggs tend to be found by clicking on the last page of the comic.

I think thus far we've had Hiro's blog, Claire's myspace page, and a few of Isaac's paintings.

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Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:51 AM

SWEETSERENDIPITY


Thanks y'all! I have been clicking everywhere, still no luck. Now I'll concentrate on the last page.

Does soma have some other connection to the show? Or is that a *we don't know yet* kind of thing?

Deb


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Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:23 AM

GRIZWALD


Just throwing these into the mix in case they mean something:

Soma was the recreational drug everybody used in Brave New World. It is also the patent name of carisoprodol, a skeletal muscle relaxant drug marketed by Wallace Pharmaceuticals.

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Thursday, November 16, 2006 8:34 AM

SWEETSERENDIPITY


My mom used to take something she called Soma Compound. Is that it?

Deb


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Friday, November 17, 2006 4:19 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Hayden Panettiere has a pretty impressive resume for television. I remember her as the daughter in Joe Somebody, Raising Helen, and Racing Stripes. In most cases her performances were memorable even when her role wasn’t. I was surprised to see her on this show and I’m wondering whether she’ll hang around after the saving the world event.

I’m not sure whether Mr. Bennett is a good guy or bad, but either way I’m so happy he turned out to be a loving father. Nothing would have disappointed me more then for him to have been portrayed as so unsympathetic that he cared nothing for his own daughter. However he turns out now, the fact that he appears to love his daughter makes him orders of magnitude more believable.



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Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:39 AM

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May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Okay, last night's episode was one of the best so far. Here some talking points:

- Hiro went back six months into the past? According to the waitress that Hiro's buddy talked to he apparently was around for months before disappearing just a few weeks before she was killed. If he was in the past and around for months, why is the waitress still dead? Where is Hiro? He was supposed to be at the Homecoming according to Isaac's painting. Did he alter the timeline when he went back to save the waitress? Did that action invalidate Isaac's vision of the future.

- Peter absorbed Claire's healing ability. It saved his life, further proving his ability is to mimic the powers of others. Wonder why he did not have the ability to use Sylar's powers.

- Peter gets arrested. Boy is this going to be a mess. He is covered in blood, none of which is Jackie's, but she is dead and the small town will be looking to pin the murder on someone. Will Claire & her dad come forward to clear him? Will Nathan come to help him? How will it affect Nathan's chance at office?

- What will the fallout be between Nathan and Pete for Nathan's attempt to destroy the painting? I think Pete will forgive him & understand why he did it, but it may serve to further widen the already existing gap between the brothers.

- Did Jessica really shoot DL? Guess we have to wait until next week for that.

- Eden sure put Sylar down didn't she? I figured Sylar was going to break free of her power of suggestion and kill her, but she showed no fear and stopped him. Wonder what the Haitian and Claire's dad have in store for him. Obviously we will get some backstory on him next week.

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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 3:41 AM

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I havn't seen last night episode yet (hasn't been posted on the net yet) but so far i'm wicked impressed. It's my second favorite show this season, right behind Galatica.

I'll have some good thoughts on teh next episode tomorrow probably

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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 5:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Okay, last night's episode was one of the best so far. Here some talking points:

- Hiro went back six months into the past? According to the waitress that Hiro's buddy talked to he apparently was around for months before disappearing just a few weeks before she was killed. If he was in the past and around for months, why is the waitress still dead? Where is Hiro? He was supposed to be at the Homecoming according to Isaac's painting. Did he alter the timeline when he went back to save the waitress? Did that action invalidate Isaac's vision of the future.



It's noteworthy that the currently-dead waitress didn't seem to know Hiro when she first met him in the "modern" timeframe. The photo on the wall didn't show Hiro at that point either, which is proof that he's actually altering past events, rather than just participating in them. And unlike that older waitress, Ando's memories didn't adjust because, after all, he wasn't in Texas six months ago; his personal timeline wouldn't be altered.

And Hiro and Ando still have time to show up at the school before the decorations are taken down. Maybe next week--or, considering the six-month time warp, the week after that...

Quote:

- Peter absorbed Claire's healing ability. It saved his life, further proving his ability is to mimic the powers of others. Wonder why he did not have the ability to use Sylar's powers.



Maybe he did duplicate Sylar's powers, but, not knowing exactly what they were, didn't manage to activate them in time. Claire's power being automatic in nature, he didn't have to work at it.

And, has anyone else noticed that Sylar walked away from the same fall that should have killed Peter, with no signs of injury at all? Is he a fast healer too, or did he use his TK/levitation ability to cushion the fall?

But the big question is--how does Claire's continued survival relate to the potential destruction of New York? Homecoming is traditionally held in late October--November 8th is going to be coming up real fast...

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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 5:35 AM

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Guys, new thread for the non high-speed people: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=25301

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