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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 4:41 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

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Ok. Did anyone else notice that when Hiro's dad, played by George Takai, was getting into his limo at the end of their meeting, the license plate number was NCC-1701?

Now I have to itune the episode to see for myself.

Kudos to Stoweaway’s husband for pinning the daddy Nathan thing. Of course this makes Peter Claire’s uncle, which doesn’t necessarily forbid a relationship, but it does make it gross.

As for the age, Claire is 15; Nathan is probably late thirties-early forties. That puts Nathan in is twenties when Claire was conceived. Did Nathan “die” in the fire too? Or was Claire’s mom just one of Nathan’s extramarital exploits or a college sweetheart?

I really prefer Eccleston as Dr. Who.



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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 4:42 AM

GRIZWALD


Geezer, that's wonderful.

Question: Has Christopher Eccleston's character been given a name yet, that we have heard? Or is he simply the Nameless, Homeless, Friendless One? I'm getting a little tired of calling him "Chris."

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 5:13 AM

CYBERSNARK


The invisible guy is called Claude, following the tradition of British men having French names (paging Jean-Luc Picard. . .).

It looks like Peter is going to be a mirror-image of Sylar, which is going to make for a cool showdown when they meet.

A little math suggests that Claire's mom was 20 when Claire was born ("21 year old woman died in a fire, along with her 18-month old baby"). Claire is (about) 16 now, so her mom is 36, which is a good approximate age for Nathan (we can assume that he and Claire's mom were about the same age when they were together). Peter seems quite a bit younger, though.

Ando was great this ep.

"I think she's starting to like me."
". . . Wha?!?"

And props to Hiro for taking the traditional "young Japanese man who rebels against, but secretly desires, his father's approval" and actually playing it cool. Though I doubt this is the last we've seen of the Nakamuras.

Yeah, I feel there's a missing chapter between Nikki/Jessica's release and her scene with Micah. DL wouldn't have stood for that, and we haven't seen anything that would take him out of the picture.

Speaking of that family, the new comic ( http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_019.shtml) spotlights everybody's favourite technopath, as Micah pwns some bullies.

Also, check out Hiro:


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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:49 AM

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Adrian Pasdar is 41, which is doable for his character's age, and he can play several years younger as well. Milo Ventimiglia is 29, though I think at some point in the show Peter was described as being 26. So there's a 10-15 year age difference between the brothers. It certainly shows in their relationship, since Nathan bosses Peter around like he's a big-brother/father-figure combo.

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:52 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

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Nathan bosses Peter around like he's a big-brother/father-figure combo.

And a pompous ass.

Never underestimate the "pompous ass" factor.

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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 4:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Ok. Did anyone else notice that when Hiro's dad, played by George Takai, was getting into his limo at the end of their meeting, the license plate number was NCC-1701?





Damn! I missed that. Cool props to ST though.

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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 4:37 AM

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I'll have to look for that too.

Speaking of George Takei, I was more impressed with his guest stint on HEROES than Eccleston. For an hour, he totally made me forget about Sulu. Takei in real life is kind of a cheeseball, like Shatner. But he was able to totally transcend that and be a total badass. And Hiro's sly way of passing off his responsibility to the company onto his more qualified sister was genius in his own way. And I love his father's last line.

"I never should have read you those stories."

Now we have to wait for Stan Lee's upcoming cameo as a bus driver.

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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 4:52 PM

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Quote:

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The invisible guy is called Claude, following the tradition of British men having French names (paging Jean-Luc Picard. . .).



Perhaps, but I think that this might be a reference to Claude Rains, who played the original Invisible Man.

And is it invisibility or slightly more. Nobody seems to notice them talking or yelling on the street, but Claude did cover Peter's mouth when he "escaped" from Nathan.

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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 6:01 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Perhaps, but I think that this might be a reference to Claude Rains, who played the original Invisible Man.

And is it invisibility or slightly more. Nobody seems to notice them talking or yelling on the street, but Claude did cover Peter's mouth when he "escaped" from Nathan.

Dramatic license probably, but it might be inferred that Peter’s replication of another superhuman’s capability has a latency prior to full inception or a period of continuity during which the ability is not fully acquired. It might also be that Claude and Peter are audible, but it did not seem as if anyone on the street reacted to their voices.

Also I ituned the episode and saw the NCC-1701 on Mr. Nakamura’s limo. Of course the dash was really a tinny New York state, so technically it was NCC “tinny New York state” 1701.

I thought Takei did a great job with the Japanese. Unlike Oka, who was born in Japan, he is Japanese only by heritage.

It's refreshing that Heroes uses Japanese with English subtitles. I only wish they had taken a similar approach with Mohinder, who should never have been lecturing in English to an Indian class in India.



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Monday, February 12, 2007 10:53 PM

SINGATE


For the first time I can remember I wasn't particularly impressed with the Hiro/Ando story arc. Maybe it's because they never seemed to be on the same page in this episode. I did enjoy the extra nod to George Takei's appearance. Hiro getting called Sulu was priceless.

Looks like Mr. Bennet may have had his wife's memory erased one too many times. Wonder if this will be the last straw for Claire. Her "real" mom played her like a fiddle, that scene with her listening outside the window was kinda sad. That woman is nothing but a trailer trash con artist.

Now that Niki has her new assignment I think it would be cool to see Claire come to the rescue. Showing up just in time to take a bullet for her new daddy. I'm still trying to figure out why Parkman didn't wait until the elevator doors opened then put two Jessica, one for each personality. Thankfully the writers didn't kill him off. Seeing him walk off with the diamonds was a bit disconcerting. Up until then he struck me as the consumate good guy.

That new ability Sylar took is interesting. Does it work on any solid object or just the inanimate kind?

I'm thinking Issac will buy the farm next week.



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Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:14 AM

BROWNCOAT1

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I wasn't too impressed with the Hiro/Ando story in this episode either. This Hope is obviously a con artist who played Ando, but why? What is the hook here? Where are they going with it? Who is this Gaming Enforcement agent that freed Hiro? How long will it take to get Hiro to the sword? It left me a bit flat.

The Claire arc is shaping up well. I just saw her real mom playing Nathan for money. Then she tells Claire she is only getting $50k & that Claire can have half when she is really getting $100k. This woman is a real con artist. I see her being used later in the series to get at Claire or her using Nathan and or Claire to get something she wants. It was sad watching her hear Nathan tell her mother she did well in letting Claire go.

You took the words right out of my mouth Singate. I said it as soon as Mr Bennett led her into the house last night. I looked at my wife and said, "Yep. Looks like Specs had her mind wiped one too many times". I don't doubt that is what happened, but is it what leads to her apparent death in the next episode? What will Claire do? She brought up to her dad the "memory loss", but she didn't really confront him. Will that change if her adopted mother dies? Also, the exchange at the end of the episode when Mrs Bennett didn't recognize Mr Muggles or Claire.....what is that about? Is he mind deteriorating? That is what it looks like.

How is it that Jessica has suppressed Nikki? How did Jessica cut the deal w/ Linderman to get them sprung? I guess she must have swiped the shrink's phone after she tazered her in the interrogation room. How is it that neither Micca or her husband have noticed anything? Micca could tell in the past over the phone when Jessica was in control so how is he missing it when she is right in front of him? Now that she is after Nathan I imagine that that will be the catalyst for getting her, her hubby and Micca to NYC.

I agree that Matt is the consumate good guy, but after hearing that detective's thoughts that he would never wear a badge again he had to be thinking about how he is going to make a living. He probably thought the diamonds were his way to insure his and his wife's future. I believe it will also resurface later and cause him guilt leading to his returning them or doing something good with them.

I am thinking the new ability Sylar took could work on any matter. It seems to break down molecular cohesion causing matter to fall apart into a liquid like substance which would appear to resolidify when the power subsides. Not sure if it will work on animate objects, but I am sure Sylar will try to find out.

Now Sylar is tagging along w/ Mohinder to try to track down the other heroes. That could prove interesting. It would also explain how Sylar winds up in NYC for the big finale.

What is up with Peter? I want to see some more of his story with Claude.

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Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:51 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


I’m not going to come out so strong against Claire’s real mother. It’s evident, that she doesn’t care for Claire as much as Claire may have expected, but I’m not sure why she would. It’s not like Claire has really been a part of her life or that she perceives Claire to be in any condition where she feels she could help. I think Claire was naïve to expect that she would. Meredith is obviously not a completely honest person and probably never has been, but she comes across to me much more like a selfish opportunist then a con-artists. I don’t think she played Claire, I think her intentions were sincere, but when Nathan offered her the money I think she really lacked the self-respect and character to turn it down. In a way Nathan’s offer of money was insulting and demonstrates as much selfishness on his part. While both probably care for Claire or at least the idea of Claire on some level, neither is prepared to risk the adverse affect that the responsibility of a daughter would bring, and why should they? From their vantage point, Claire is the daughter in a relatively well off family. It’s probably not a good idea for the estranged biological parents of an adopted child to be consorting with this child without her legal parent’s involvement. Ideally, this is something that should be handled officially. So part of Nathan’s and Meredith’s reaction is Claire’s fault for having involved herself with essentially strangers without the protection of her parents. None of this is surprising; both Nathan and Meredith have their own lives to deal with and Claire is naïve to expect anything more at this point. Although it was heartbreaking to watch Claire struggle with Nathan’s response. She was probably a bit star struck by Nathan’s wealthy appearance, and for a moment I think she believed whatever infatuations she had concocted in her head. But really it isn’t Nathan that she wants; she’s trying to replace the relationship and the trust that she feels she’s lost from her father, Mr. Bennett. This is the clash between Claire and Mr. Bennett that was bound to happen, and if Claire’s mother’s new condition turns out to be a product of Mr. Bennett’s repeated brain-washings, I suspect that both Claire and Bennett may find this difficult to reconcile.



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Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:42 AM

CYBERSNARK


I'm loving this. Curious to see what's gonna happen with Hiro & Ando. I can tell Ando's already starting to doubt Hope's story. Real question is what's in the purse (and what it was doing in Guy-who-voices-Patrick's room).

New comic up. Focusing on Sylar's escape.
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_020.shtml
This confirms that, yes, Sylar did kill Charlie even in the "fixed" timeline. It also explains why Sylar was so quick to team up with Suresh.

The preview makes it look like next week's gonna be the confrontation between Claire and Glasses. Can't wait!

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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:19 AM

BROWNCOAT1

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I don’t think she played Claire, I think her intentions were sincere, but when Nathan offered her the money I think she really lacked the self-respect and character to turn it down. In a way Nathan’s offer of money was insulting and demonstrates as much selfishness on his part.




Actually, I believe it was her intention all along to get cash from Nathan. Her behavior on the phone and her not refusing the money to me speaks of her seeking it in the first place. Add to that the fact she lied to Claire about how much was coming just lends further evidence to the fact she is a selfish opportunist who is really on in this for herself.

Meredith can clearly see that Claire is hurting and looking for a connection, but she used Claire's existence to milk money from Nathan and then run off to Mexico. She doesn't care for Claire and can't wait to leave Texas to go back south of the border. Whether Claire has been a part of her life or not, Claire is her daughter, one she thought dead up until this point, so why wouldn't she care

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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:24 AM

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Quote:

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New comic up. Focusing on Sylar's escape.
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_020.shtml
This confirms that, yes, Sylar did kill Charlie even in the "fixed" timeline. It also explains why Sylar was so quick to team up with Suresh.




Where did Sylar get the ability to create ice? He appears to be creating a patch of ice on the road while trying to escape those Virginia state troopers (wish they had gotten the color of our state trooper cars right).

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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:47 AM

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Probably one of the first powers he has collected previously in the time before Heroes starts taking place.



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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:20 PM

CYBERSNARK


Yeah, way back in the second episode, we saw the frozen corpse of one of Sylar's victims. Remember when we first met Matt?

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Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:34 AM

BROWNCOAT1

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That's right! The frozen corpses! I had completely forgotten about them. Been so long since Sylar has used that trick it had slipped my mind.

Wonder how it is exactly that he is getting the powers. Ingesting part of the brain perhaps?

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Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:26 AM

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Well, Sylar does have the ability to know how things work (remember the episode that showed his past?). My guess is that he studies the brains to find out how a person's abilities work.

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Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:38 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Sylar and Micah have similar abilities then. Where Micah can make something function by concentrating on it; Sylar can instantaneously know how something functions by concentrating on it.



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Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:52 AM

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re Jessica's new assignment:

My first thought was assassination, too, but now rumor has it that she's not going there to assassinate him at all, but to make sure he wins that election, by hook or by crook. Or maybe to blackmail him into staying on track and not letting Linderman down.

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Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:00 PM

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Sylar and Micah have similar abilities then. Where Micah can make something function by concentrating on it; Sylar can instantaneously know how something functions by concentrating on it.

Except that Micah's abilities only work on technology, while Sylar's seem to work with anything.

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Friday, February 16, 2007 2:13 AM

BROWNCOAT1

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re Jessica's new assignment:

My first thought was assassination, too, but now rumor has it that she's not going there to assassinate him at all, but to make sure he wins that election, by hook or by crook. Or maybe to blackmail him into staying on track and not letting Linderman down.




Could be that your right. I didn't think of that possibility. Let's hope that is the case.

I remember Sylar's ability from the past episode, but never really thought he might be able to use it to figure out how other heroes activate and use their powers. Makes sense and is a lot less morbid than my suggestion.

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Monday, February 19, 2007 10:35 PM

SINGATE


This may have been the best episode yet. Where to begin?

I like that Claire came out and stood up to her father. For the first time Mr. Bennet didn't seem to know what to do. Her line about not being able to remember any of this tomorrow clinched it. Don't think he'll be having memories erased anytime soon.

The encounter on the rooftop was excellent. I couldn't tell if Peter stopped time or was using TK there. Does he need the person to use an ability in his presence or does he automatically absorb their powers? Speaking of which, does he possess all of Sylar's abilities or just the TK used in their brief encounter?

The whole showdown between Peter and Isaac caught me off guard as did the conclusion. A lot of people didn't seem to like Simone so it's not a huge loss. The only benefit will be the further strain between the two. What was that ability Peter used to toss Isaac across the room? Appeared to be some sort of sonic blast.

Sylar is doing quite the number on Mohinder. It did look as though he had a suspicious glance toward Sylar a few times though. The killing of that woman was so cold, when he said "murder" you could almost feel the temperature drop.

The highlight of the show for me was seeing Matt, Ted, and Wireless getting together. Funny how so many different characters are looking to be heroes while having different views on what that means. Can't wait to see Bennet squirming next week. If Matt is unable to read his mind then there may be some truth to the idea that he has an ability as well.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:12 AM

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I'm a little fuzzy on this, but when did Peter meet Hiro? I know they talked over the phone, but I don't remember them actually meeting face-to-face. Wouldn't they each have to be physically present for Peter to absorb Hiro's powers?

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:45 AM

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They met on the train when, I think, Peter was having that dream or something. Hiro had the sword and everyone was stopped in time and Hiro came up to him and told him something, I do not remember what.
It was in the 3 or 4th episode I think.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:52 AM

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My read on Peter tossing Isaac across the room was that he'd gotten the TK ability from Sylar (remember when Sylar did basically the same thing to Claire's mom?). It seems pretty clear that Peter doesn't have to be in someone's presence to use their ability--he just absorbs it and has from then on (as when invisible-guy tosses him off the roof and he heals himself). If that's the case, damn, he's the most powerful one of them all.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:03 AM

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I loved the episode.

Interesting how Sylar must kill heroes to gain their strengths, while Peter must apparently only be near them (or perhaps he must be present when the power is being exercised). He is more powerful than Sylar. Sylar has his ruthlessness going for him.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:15 AM

BROWNCOAT1

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Definitely one of the best episodes yet!

I like the fact too that Claire stood up to Bennett. About bloody time! We actually see the otherwise cold and calculating Bennett looking hurt and at a loss as to what to do. Good character moment for him. Hopefully he will come around and stop being a borderline bad guy.

Peter definitely stopped the staff from hitting him by using TK. He even tells Claude he must have picked it up from Sylar after their encounter where Peter saves Claire. It would seem that proximity is what Peter needs to gain and use the ability, but apparently his body/mind permanently gain the ability once he is exposed to it, he just seems to be learning under Claude's unorthodox tutoring how to access the abilities. We see Peter use TK, then in the scene where Bennett & the Haitian try to capture them we see him use Hiro's ability to stop time and Nathan's ability to fly. So, he has used the abilities of at least six different heroes.

How naive is Mohinder? Why is it that Sylar is not killing him as he did his father? Obviously Sylar is wanting to track down, kill and absorb the powers of the other heroes and Mohinder can help him do it quicker, but I am curious where this particular part of the story is going.

I liked seeing Matt, Hanna & Ted get together. They seem bent on getting answers, at least Matt does, the other two I am sure are bent on exacting revenge on Bennett. Wonder how far Matt is willing to go. Sure he is upset over the problems his ability have caused him, but I think they have been as much a gift as a curse. They kind of helped him save his marriage not to mention his life in his confrontation with Jessica. We will have to see how the standoff in the Bennett household works out next week.

The confrontation between Issac and Peter kind of threw me. Issac is obviously being manipulated by Bennett and his judgement is clouded by his jealousy over Simone & Peter's relationship. Peter's overreaction was fueled by his near kidnapping at the hands of Bennett and the apparent loss of Claude as his teacher. I was confused by the voice/sonic blast that Peter used on Issac too. I thought it might be TK he got from Sylar, but his voice seemed different, amplified or changed somehow when he shouted at Issac and the power was activated. His mastery over his powers seems to be coming easier and faster. Let's hope he is not going to be corrupted by all that power.

As for Simone, I don't think that is the end for her. Remember that Peter has used Hiro's power of time manipulation. I am willing to bet he tries to reverse time to save her.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:16 AM

CAUSAL


Remember back when we were introduced to Sylar? Mohinder's father went to visit him, thinking he was a possible carrier of the mutation. Sylar repaired watches and timepieces, and just had a knack for knowing which piece went where and how the thing worked all together. Papa Suresh ran some tests and ultimately concluded that Sylar was not one of the ones he was looking for (which made Sylar pretty damned upset). But Sylar had caught the name of another candidate from Suresh's papers, and called him up. When guy #2 arrives and demonstrates telekinetic abilities, Sylar cracks him on the skull and the next thing we know, Sylar also has TK. Why? Because, Sylar does have an ability. Like Kaylee, Sylar just has an instinctice grasp for complex systems and how they work together. That's why he has to have their brain. He takes the piece he wants and adds it to his own (though I haven't figured that part out). That accounts for the fact that he only has the abilities of the people he's killed. It also accounts for the fact that Eden blew her brain out--she wanted to prevent him from getting the vital bit that controlled her ability.

And for the record, I think Peter is stronger. He doesn't have to kill you to get your ability, just be near you. And once he is, he has it permanently.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:09 AM

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As cool as that scene was with Peter and Isaac (probably the coolest fight scene I've watched outside of a Joss show), it also worries me.

At some point, there is going to be a limit to Peter's ability. Mohinder said that if he absorbs too many abilities, it will imbalance him somehow. What will happen to him when that day comes? And until that time, will Peter become another Sylar? Will having access to so much power cause him to lash out at others? Or, as another possiblity, will Peter become the opposite of Sylar, and use his abilities to help others, perhaps even the other heroes?

Oh, and the scene with Hiro and Stan Lee was way cool.

P.S. - Can Claude (as well as Peter) make other objects invisible, even people? I was never sure about that.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:03 AM

STOWEAWAY


I think it's more of a case of Peter absorbing Claude's power, not Claude making him invisible.

My question is did Peter see Mr. Bennett when they came to tazer him? Because he's seen Claire's dad before when she came to see him in jail. So now will he try to contact her to protect her? Is that how she gets to NYC?

And now that Mr. Bennett knows that the Haitian didn't erase Claire's memory, what will he do to the Haitian? When Matt & his posse show up, will the Haitian abandon him? Maybe that's how we find out Claire's adoption story, Matt reads it from Mr. Bennett's mind. Could it be Peter who rescues Claire? That would put him in contact with Radioactive Man.

So now that Sylar is traveling with Mohinder, it's possible that he does make it back to NYC and to Isaac to fullfill what Hiro saw in the future. We know Mohinder knows Isaac & might try to access his ability to stop Sylar (who's right under his nose, duh). Isaac sure bought himself a giant hunk of bad karma last night.

Finally --- aaaagh! Hiro has his power back & he doesn't even know it! I don't think we've seen the last of Ando either. I hope not, I was really starting to like him.

My husband with all the Heroes insight isn't here this week so all this is purely conjecture.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:47 AM

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Why is it that Sylar is not killing him as he did his father? Obviously Sylar is wanting to track down, kill and absorb the powers of the other heroes and Mohinder can help him do it quicker, but I am curious where this particular part of the story is going.



The online comics ( http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/) explained that Sylar has finished going through the list he got from Chandra; Zane was the last one. Teaming up with Mohinder is the only way for Sylar to find other victims.

Of course, Mohinder is not a fool. Sylar's assumption of super-hearing (and the resulting migraines) may have already made him suspicious, and he knows Sylar's distinctive killing style. It won't take him long to put two and two together. I'm guessing that Sylar's going to try to get his hands on the finalized List --which would make Mohinder irrelevant.

New comic this week ( http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_021.shtml), demonstrating that Hana does in fact have a sense of compassion. Looks like she's parted ways with Ted and Matt, so no telling if she'll be involved in the showdown. It's also worth noting that Hana's introduction to Ted actually "happened" several episodes ago; it was an exclusive clip on the website, and it was featured in the comic a couple of weeks ago (she didn't have the injector at that time).

No Easter Egg this week, just a link that leads to the 404 page.

I for one am sorry to see Simone go. She was a good influence on both Isaac and Peter, and it looks like they're about to need her now more than ever.

I'm also gonna miss Ando. Hopefully he'll stick around --Who says Hiro's the only one on a Journey?

It was cool seeing Stan Lee turn up (as he has in every Marvel movie --but then this isn't a Marvel property).

I doubt we've seen the last of Claude. Given how he reacted to Bennet & the Haitian, it's obvious he has some past history there. I strongly suspect he'll be involved in the outcome of that plot thread.

(And he can definitely turn other things invisible, or we'd still be able to see a disembodied set of clothes walking around with a stolen cellphone and cash.)

Can't wait for next week, and the showdown at the Bennets' house.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:44 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Claire cried over spilt milk.

Most of this episode was predictable. This was the inevitable clash between Claire and Bennett. Now Mr. Bennett is losing control of the situation. We will find out what he’s really made of. Also Claire will have to make a choice. I suspect that as Claire matures and learns to take on more responsibility for her family, she will discover the difficulty in trying to protect her family. Next episode will be really good I think.

The clash between Peter and Isaac was a surprise. Although I sort of thought it would happen eventually, I didn’t expect it this soon, but as soon as it did, I totally knew Simone would be the casualty somehow. Really sad about Simone too. She was the major hotty of the show. I can’t decide whether she’s really dead though, but the either way, the fallout from this will be big.



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Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:19 AM

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May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


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Originally posted by Stoweaway:
My question is did Peter see Mr. Bennett when they came to tazer him? Because he's seen Claire's dad before when she came to see him in jail. So now will he try to contact her to protect her? Is that how she gets to NYC?




I am not certain if he saw Bennett or not. It was night time and they were wearing infra-red goggles. I am thinking he probably did not, but we don't know for certain.


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Originally posted by Stoweaway:
And now that Mr. Bennett knows that the Haitian didn't erase Claire's memory, what will he do to the Haitian? When Matt & his posse show up, will the Haitian abandon him? Maybe that's how we find out Claire's adoption story, Matt reads it from Mr. Bennett's mind.




Does he know that the Haitian didn't try? He may believe that her healing ability undid whatever it is that the Haitian was supposed to have done to her. If he doesn't think that it is definitely plausible. I also think with his wife in the hospital as a direct result of the mind wipe by the Haitian and Claire's feelings about what he has done I doubt that Bennett will really care at this point that the Haitian did not mind wipe Claire.


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Originally posted by Stoweaway:
So now that Sylar is traveling with Mohinder, it's possible that he does make it back to NYC and to Isaac to fullfill what Hiro saw in the future. We know Mohinder knows Isaac & might try to access his ability to stop Sylar (who's right under his nose, duh). Isaac sure bought himself a giant hunk of bad karma last night.




Possible, but we are not certain that Isaac will die. That is just one possible future that may be thwarted by the actions of the heroes. Remember that in Peter's vision of himself exploding outside of his brother's campaign office Isaac is there along with the rest of the heroes with the exception of Ted and Hanna.


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Finally --- aaaagh! Hiro has his power back & he doesn't even know it! I don't think we've seen the last of Ando either. I hope not, I was really starting to like him.




I was glad to see Hiro access his ability. Did anyone else notice that not only did he stop time, he reversed it, but only on the bullet itself. He appeared to have reversed time on the bullet pushing it back into the gun causing Hope to drop the gun. Could it be a new extension of his power? To selectively alter time around a single or multiple objects without affecting the entire planet?

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Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:07 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Of course, Mohinder is not a fool. Sylar's assumption of super-hearing (and the resulting migraines) may have already made him suspicious, and he knows Sylar's distinctive killing style. It won't take him long to put two and two together. I'm guessing that Sylar's going to try to get his hands on the finalized List --which would make Mohinder irrelevant.




You would think so and I hope you are right. Of course if Mohinder suspects he will have to play it real cool. He knows he can't handle Sylar and with his new ability of super hearing he can't get too excited or scared as it would be a dead giveaway. I foresee a confrontation with Sylar before he masters the hearing power and Mohinder using a loud noise like a whistle or something of that nature to put Sylar down long enough to hightail it out of there.


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
New comic this week ( http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_021.shtml), demonstrating that Hana does in fact have a sense of compassion. Looks like she's parted ways with Ted and Matt, so no telling if she'll be involved in the showdown. It's also worth noting that Hana's introduction to Ted actually "happened" several episodes ago; it was an exclusive clip on the website, and it was featured in the comic a couple of weeks ago (she didn't have the injector at that time).




I really enjoyed this weeks comic. It did show that noble, compassionate side to Hanna. Glad to see her take down the kiddie porn scumbags.

She has definitely parted ways, at least for now, with Matt and Ted. I was wondering why she was not in the Bennett household w/ the others.


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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
I for one am sorry to see Simone go. She was a good influence on both Isaac and Peter, and it looks like they're about to need her now more than ever.

I'm also gonna miss Ando. Hopefully he'll stick around --Who says Hiro's the only one on a Journey?




I am not so certain that Peter won't try to use Hiro's power to bring her back. If he does it would go a long way towards bridging the rift we see between Isaac and Peter now. Of course if they do that it is the easy way out and would be way too comic bookish in explaining bringing a dead character back to life. There is also the fact of they have a dead body riddled with bullet holes in Isaac's flat. How are they going to explain that to the police?


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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
It was cool seeing Stan Lee turn up (as he has in every Marvel movie --but then this isn't a Marvel property).




Very cool! I love Stan Lee's little cameos in the Marvel movies and showing up in Heroes just made the episode all the more fun for me.


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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
I doubt we've seen the last of Claude. Given how he reacted to Bennet & the Haitian, it's obvious he has some past history there. I strongly suspect he'll be involved in the outcome of that plot thread.

(And he can definitely turn other things invisible, or we'd still be able to see a disembodied set of clothes walking around with a stolen cellphone and cash.)




I don't think we have either. Peter sees him in his visions of the explosion in NYC. Of course Claude is off to the side laughing like a maniac, so who knows. Definitely a past between Claude and Bennett given that Bennett commented to Isaac how they thought that old acquaintance was dead (or words to that affect). No doubt Claude worked for or was duped by Bennett before and it turned bad for Claude. I would love to see that backstory.

Not only did he turn the cash and cell invisible, we see (or didn't see in this case) that the staff he was pummeling Peter with was invisible. All we saw at first was water splashing and heard noises until we were allowed to see the two sparring. Apparently anything either of them touches becomes invisible as well, though I imagine it has limits such as size or that they must be able to carry it.

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Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:08 AM

SINGATE


If Hiro was unable to save Charlie how is it that Peter could go back to save Simone? I didn't think the ability worked that way. Didn't Hiro say something about not being able to change events that had already taken place?

I have seen some speculation that it wasn't Hiro who stopped the bullet but someone off camera. Future Hiro again perhaps?

There appears to be more going on between Bennet and Claude than meets the eye. I get the feeling that he wasn't so much an unwilling participant but rather a partner. At some point I figure they had a huge falling out over methodology and ultimate goals about those who had abilities. Either Bennet tried to have him killed or he simply faked his death to get away.

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Sunday, February 25, 2007 5:54 AM

FISKMASEN


Yay! Heroes! Love it. This show has currently kicked House M.D of the pedestal as my favourite series currently on air.

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Monday, February 26, 2007 5:15 PM

DEEPGIRL187


Dude, forget last week, this was the best episode so far.

I admit, I've had my doubts about Bennett. Most of the time, I thought he was complete evil. But this episode showed hm as a human being, a father trying to protect his family. And the ending was especially poignant.

And I really loved the flashback to Claire as an infant. I knew a lot of the heroes had ties to one another, but this was just jaw-dropping. I wonder what it all means for the future...

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Monday, February 26, 2007 5:27 PM

REGINAROADIE


I know. Tonights ep was so far the best ep of the season so far. The unexpected return of Hiro's dad and Hiro and the image of Claire emerging from the house like she just took a stroll through a nuclear reactor were great touches. But it was the final scene on the bridge between Claire and HRG was just priceless. The ultimate bit of self-sacrifice I've seen so far on the show. You know, if Joss had created this show, that scene wouldn't exist at all.

Can't wait for next weeks ep with the reveal of Linderman and Hiro getting the sword at last.

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Monday, February 26, 2007 6:22 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


What have I been saying? Mr. Bennett is a good guy whose actions are motivated primarily by his love for his family. Like I said, this episode we will find out what Bennett is really made of. To save his family, Bennett sacrificed his own memories of the daughter that he loved. What did Bennett know that would lead him to such an extreme course of action to protect his daughter from the ‘company?’ That may have been lost too.

That last scene was harsh. Claire discovers too late that her naïve perspective has misplaced her resentment. Now the father that she thought had betrayed her, she has lost, because he really hadn’t. That is such a striking and sad metaphor for the struggles that a father faces with a teenage daughter. The dynamic between Claire and Bennett is likely to be particularly heart-wrenching, while Claire comes to terms with what she’s lost and why.

And Claire all burned up. Wow. That was freaky. Amazingly though, her clothes faired far better then they probably should have.

Yep this is one of the best episodes so far.



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Monday, February 26, 2007 6:29 PM

REGINAROADIE


Now that you mention it, Claire's clothes are like the Hulk's pants or the clothes that Bill Paxton and Helen Hunt wore in the final scenes in TWISTER. They fall under the Super-Decency law that no matter what catastrophe, there will always be enough clothing on to save a super-powered character from indecent exposure.

I think the only time a character has survived a natural catastrophe without any clothes was an ep of KING OF THE HILL where Hank was caught near a tornado, and the tornado managed to rip off all his clothes. And it was between a Mexican flag and a potted cactus that saved him from further embarrassment. Guess which one he chose.

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Monday, February 26, 2007 6:33 PM

GRIZWALD


And wasn't little Hiro just the most adorable little guy? (Wonder why he doesn't remember ever being in NYC before. Or on that particular roof before. Mindwipe?)

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Monday, February 26, 2007 6:52 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
I think the only time a character has survived a natural catastrophe without any clothes was an ep of KING OF THE HILL where Hank was caught near a tornado, and the tornado managed to rip off all his clothes. And it was between a Mexican flag and a potted cactus that saved him from further embarrassment. Guess which one he chose.

Yeah, I remember that.

That convenient band of burnt clothing remaining tightly bound around Claire’s bosom, made me wonder if that was really necessary. I’m about the most conservative guy when it comes to decency on television, but yet I really would have had no problem with Claire’s sufficiently crusty and burnt up exposed chest. Given the nature of her injuries, it’s not like anything would have actually survived anyway. So I felt that it was a little distracting, but it’s a small criticism. I thought it was exceptionally well done overall.
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And wasn't little Hiro just the most adorable little guy? (Wonder why he doesn't remember ever being in NYC before. Or on that particular roof before. Mindwipe?)

I don’t know that he doesn’t remember it, just that he doesn’t associate anything with it. I’m sure as far as he was concerned he was just on vacation with papa-san. Having a wealthy father, we can probably assume he’s vacationed (as far as he knew) in many far away places.



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Monday, February 26, 2007 8:58 PM

SINGATE


I have to admit that Bennet finally did the right thing. That still doesn't excuse the questionable things he has been party to. I don't buy the "I did it all to protect my family" line. In the flashback he said something to the effect that he didn't mind working in a morally grey area. This leads me to believe that his intentions were not completely honorable.

Claire was the standout character in this episode. First she stands up to her father, outing him in front of everyone, then walks into a nuclear inferno to save the day. How is it that anyone else survived that anyway? Shouldn't Ted have been giving off massive amounts of radiation? Everyone in the house except Claire should be a goner.

Looks like Parkman has been drafted to replace the Haitan. Didn't much care for the whole mindwipe thing so I'm glad to see him go. I wonder if Matt will attempt to get Ted and his other accomplice out of there at some point. I really liked Ted in this episode, hopefully he won't be kept under wraps for too long.

I honestly did not forsee the Nakamura/Bennet connection so that was a nice touch.
Do any of them know his son possesses an ability?

This show keeps getting better by the week. It's starting to make other shows look very bad by comparison.

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:17 AM

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I'm rather dissapointed with this week's comic. Seems awefully empty. We don't really learn anything we didn't know already, or at least couldn't have guessed easily. And the continuity error with the show (Claire's a whole lot older in the comic than in the episode when HRG adopted her).

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:50 AM

STEGASAURUS


Well, we now know that Bennet doesn't mind the "gray moral area" but now since his mind has been wiped, we can now assume he's going to be back to the same old (15 years ago) Bennet that will have no problems shooting his friend/partner at the command of Those-in-Charge. Without his feelings toward Claire, I predict he will truely become the evil guy alot of us thought he was.

Be on the lookout for Bennet to confront Claire sometime in the future and attempting to gun her down without a moment's hesitation. If the Haitian had any sense, he'd mind-wipe Claire too so that she is not morally disadvantaged should that happen.

I will be the first to admit I was completely wrong with my early-early prediction that Bennet had a "dampening" power. I held out hope until the last possible moment on last night's episode. Yep, I was wrong.

Overall, a damn good episode! I thoroughly enjoyed watching it, and was please when the story line took off right from the beginning. Usually by the first commecial break, you're left with little more than a few more questions and some catch-up dialogue. Last night it seemed we were given a chance to be entertained right from the get-go, and had to hold on tight for the rest of the ride!


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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:24 AM

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Glad I have company.
Last night, I walked upstairs, climbed into bed and said to my wife “That was the greatest episode of Heroes ever!”
Pace has always been the major problem with this series. Since we all share a love for Firefly, we come from a background where pace was no problem. That is why most of us can take the boxed set of Firefly, throw on ‘Serenity’ (TV episode), and burn through all 4 discs in a weekend.
With Heroes, I have come so close to just bagging it all on several occasions, but last night made me glad I didn’t. It also appears that next week’s episode is going to be a good one (Is Simone a ‘hero’ or did she get fixed by Peter?). Perhaps last night was so good because they only stayed with one story line.
I agree that Bennett, Parkman, and the Haitian should have had more damage, as well as Eric Roberts (he does such a great job as a bad guy).
Don’t know how much wiping will be done on Bennett. He has to return functional. Maybe the Haitian is only removing the memory of the plan to free Claire.
And what’s up with the Haitian’s necklace which looks like Nikki’s tattoo?

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:34 AM

DRAGOS


Don't forget, that same mark is on the Sword the Hiro is after.

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:20 AM

STEGASAURUS


Well, when Bennet told the Haitian to "Go Deep" I assumed he was pushing towards having him remove all memory of Claire, if not just the stuff that made her a liability to him. He can't let Those-in-Charge know that he truely loved her and cared for her, or they would get suspicious that he let her go.

And as for The Symbol:

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The symbol

The symbolThe symbol appears most frequently throughout the series. In episode 12 ("Godsend") the symbol, as appears on the sword hilt, is revealed by Ando Masahashi to be a combination of two Japanese characters: 才 (sai) meaning "great talent" and 与 (yo) meaning "Godsend". Appearances include

As a decorative object in the Bennets' home.
In a swimming pool at the scene of one of Sylar's murders. Several flotation devices form the shape. (ep. 102, when Matt is next to the swimming pool, before being questioned by the FBI women)
On a billboard behind Hiro when he teleports at Times Square.
On a drawing done by Peter Petrelli.
On various paintings by Isaac Mendez.
On a post-it note on the map in Mohinder Suresh's apartment.
A pattern in the algorithm of a program in Chandra Suresh's laptop computer.
Written on a geometry textbook owned by Claire Bennet.
Written on pictures in Sylar's apartment.
On Jessica's back whenever she surfaces as Niki's alternate personality. When Jessica is repressed, the symbol does not appear on Niki's back.
On the hilt of a katana once owned by 16th-century samurai Takezo Kensei, possibly the earliest known manifestation of the symbol. This katana is held by future Hiro and sought by present Hiro. The symbol also appears on the replica of the sword, which was stolen from the museum by Hiro.
Printed on the front of Chandra Suresh's book, Activating Evolution.
Printed on the upper-left corner of the 14th issue of 9th Wonders! comic book, written by Isaac Mendez.
On a necklace worn by the Haitian.
On a picture of Niki as "Jessica", painted by Isaac. The symbol was hidden under an extra layer of paint. (Later on, Jessica hides the symbol under a layer of foundation.)
Drawn on a Greyhound bus sign, seen right before D.L. spots the runaway Micah in the episode "Homecoming".
The branch in the tank of Chandra's lizard.
Formed by shards of broken glass on the hallway floor when Sylar attacks Mrs. Bennet.
Seen in the form of an ice sculpture as a dolphin in the kitchen of a Las Vegas casino.
On the poker chips from Linderman's casino.
On the "About Us" page at Primatech Paper Company's website as part of the Heroes 360 experience.
On the sign behind Hiro and Ando when Hiro tells Ando to go home in Unexpected
In the sand where Nikki buries the bodies of the men that she (Jessica) killed.
On the Teenage Haitian's T-Shirt when he first met Mr. Bennet


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