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Does anyone read or watch The Dresden Files?

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:08 PM

SINGATE


Finally crossed the finish line, well not exactly, but I have finished all 9 existing books so I guess that's something. From what I understand Butcher is planning in excess of 20 books before Harry's story is done. 20!!! Even if he cranks out 1 each year that places the final novel no sooner than 2019. Holy shit, I just don't know if I can commit to that. Don't get me wrong the series is great and I want to know how it all ends but it will be agonizing to actually have to wait between books. I was climbing the walls for 2 weeks because the SFBC was a little too leisurely getting the last omnibus to me. The next one doesn't come out til April, the torture!

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I don't think Lasciel, or to be more exact, Lash is gone. She was too afraid to not exist. When Bob explained to Harry that part of his soul was gone I got the idea that she took it for herself in order to survive. If she was somehow able to manifest a physical aspect it would make sense that she could have moved into the Nevernever through the gate Cowl had open. A bit far fetched but I like it.

Harry with an apprentice has turned out better than I would have thought. I was convinced Molly would be the typcial petulant teenage whiner but the tough love Harry dishes out has made her quite a character.

I really liked how some of the other characters were allowed to cut loose in the last two novels. Specificly, Ramirez and Elaine. Those two are incredibly impressive allies. That being said nothing prepared me for what Harry did to those ghouls in New Mexico. Talk about going medieval...damn!

Something that had been nagging at me from an earlier novel was finally answered. I seem to remember Morgan, or maybe someone on the senior council, alluding to Harry's destiny. Imagine my surprise when it was revealed that he has a connection to the Outsiders. From what I've gathered they are the big bad of the story, the ones behind all the disturbances, and will represent the culmination to the series.

Anyone else get the feeling that someone important to Harry will die over the course of the next few books? Michael hinted that his time was short but I am picking up a bad vibe off Murphy for some reason.




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Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:19 PM

DEEPGIRL187


Yay, I can talk about the books again!

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The whole New Mexico thing was definitely messed up. But I wonder, since Lasciel is gone, will Harry eventually begin to calm down? Or has this become a permanent feature of his personality? I for one think Lash is gone for good. But I wonder how her presence will change Harry.

Harry's connection to the Outsiders is definitely of interest. I think they'll probably go into more depth in the next book.

I don't think Murphy will be the one to die (if indeed someone does die). I think the more likely candidate will be Thomas. I mean, if you really want to send Harry over the edge, kill his one remaining blood relative.



One whole year until the next book. Phooey.

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Monday, June 25, 2007 5:16 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


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Originally posted by singate:
From what I understand Butcher is planning in excess of 20 books before Harry's story is done. 20!!!


Wooooot!

Hey, I've been faithfully following the Sword of Truth series since I was 13, I don't mind waiting. I'm really loving this series.
I'm done with Dead Beat, waiting for the Flying Library to send the next one along while I bounce up and down going "Whathappenswhathappenswhathappens?!"


Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

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Monday, June 25, 2007 9:32 AM

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Hey, I've been faithfully following the Sword of Truth series since I was 13, I don't mind waiting.



I was going to use the Sword of Truth series to further illustrate my point but some of my posts were kind of long so I backed off. It was absolutely one of my favorite series. Started off great, some novels better than others, then things went downhill for me. The final straw was Pillars of Creation. The main characters, Richard and Kahlan were no where to be found until the very end of the book. I'd been having some suspicions that Goodkind was just dragging the series out, not knowing how to end it, and this book proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt. I couldn't bring myself to finish the series and probably never will. Hell, I don't know if the story is even over yet.

One of my fears with the Dresden story is that Butcher will go down this same path. The difference being he has left so many story arcs unfinished that it appears there is plenty of material for an extended series. Hopefully he won't lose his way over the next 10+ books.

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Monday, June 25, 2007 10:19 AM

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Now that a lot of people are further in the books, I have a question:

Do you guys like the book-verse Bob or the TV-verse Bob?

Me personally, I like the book one better. Based on what I hear, the TV Bob is more with dry, British humor, and less with the lecherousness (is that a word?).

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Monday, June 25, 2007 11:15 AM

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I would be hard pressed to pick between them, both have their good points. While book Bob has a rather juvenile sense of humor,(mainly sexual innuendo) TV Bob is much more sophisticated whens he jabs at Harry. I don't think they're written that much differently to be honest, the logistics of TV simply won't allow for a talking skull, hence the full body apparition.

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I was almost in tears when Bob was asking about the full nature of the Harry/Molly relationship. To paraphrase Harry, "She's not a sweet tart, pop tart, nor any sort of pastry". Good stuff.



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Monday, June 25, 2007 11:28 AM

PHOENIXROSE

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Pillars of Creation.


I just pretend that one doesn't exist. He doesn't do that again. And no, the series isn't over yet. I think there's one more book at least.

Bob? I don't know. The TV version seems more... I like him more for the character. Spirit of knowledge and all, and I like him looking like a person. Bob's sex obsession actually gets rather old for me. I like it when he can be a little serious, but still have that biting humor.


Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:12 AM

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Okay, finally was able to watch about a half-hour (had to leave for work) of the TV show. And while I still like book Bob better, TV version is pretty cool. And it does end up working out better (though I would have loved to see him banging his skull against the wall just once ).

I'll admit, I do have a lot of qualms about the show. Most are minor (his office, Morgan being a younger black man), some are major (Murphy being tall and having a daughter; I'm sorry, but those really screw up her characterization). However, the things they do get right are dead-on. Paul Blackthrone does a really amazing job with Harry. He sounds (or at least how I think he'd sound) and looks like him, and his mannerisms seem like they would be Harry's. So even though there are things that bother me, I'm excited about seeing the rest of the series.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:22 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I picture Harry with more ragged hair for some reason, and he's also described as kind of towering in his height, but I agree I really like the actor. Tall, brunette Murphy, though... bugs me a whole lot. I didn't much like her even before I read the books, actually. I didn't even realize she had a daughter(I really need to see more of the show). Much much much prefer book Murphy for a lot of reasons. She's just more of a badass in the books. Also cuter.
I think I remember the guy that was supposed to be Morgan. I wondered why he seemed kind of cold to Harry. They never explain that. There's a lot they don't really go into...
I know it's hard to make books into movies and preserve the storyline, but there's a lot more time in a series; you'd think they could give more backstory and maybe some of the complex plotlines over the course of a year. Boo. I still like the show, though. It's got potential.


Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:52 AM

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I don't know if either of you have ever visited Jim Butcher's website but there are detailed explanations as to why the TV series is different from the books. Most of the information comes directly from Butcher so it's hard for me to be too upset.

As far as Harry's appearance my first exposure was through television so my perception is somewhat skewed. I really like the cover art for the books which were drawn by Christian McGrath. Check out his website for some great illustrations. His vision of Harry reminds me of Stephen King's Gunslinger. The books I bought from the SFBC have different cover art. The drawings aren't nearly as moody, instead they convey a sense of adventure.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:56 AM

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I did read a quote about why the show is different. And while I understand, I just wish they would have put a little more effort into a few areas. But for the most part, I really enjoyed what I did see.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:21 AM

PHOENIXROSE

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I've been to the site, but I didn't see anything about the show on there, except an external link.


Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:06 AM

SINGATE


Okay PR I think I've the link to a podcast interview with the man himself. It's around 47 minutes long. If you want to cut directly to the part where the changes are discussed it's around the 13 minute mark. Enjoy!

http://media-c01.libsyn.com/podcasts/99e32b3391a1dc23e317519aba64117b/
468292bf/butcherblock/BB_001_-_All_About_the_TV_1.mp3


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