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Would the Bryan Singer or Hatch Battlestar be better

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Monday, May 19, 2008 12:17 PM

PARTICIPANT


The dark, gritty, continuation instead of reimagination

a new Second Coming that could have been


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Monday, May 19, 2008 12:18 PM

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:02 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


cancellation before it ever aired ? It looked a good idea but I don't think any studio will support it
Do you have any more info on Singer's BSG ?

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:17 AM

CHRISISALL


Hatch should have been given this show- his love for it would have made it great.

Apolloisall

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:11 AM

MACBAKER


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Hatch should have been given this show- his love for it would have made it great.

Apolloisall



Just because he's loves it, doesn't mean he would have made a great show out of it. Based on the novels he wrote, I wouldn't bet on him. He's a decent actor, but as a writer he's predictable and un-imaginative.

I would have been cautiously interested to see how Singer would have handled it. He did fine with the X-Men franchise, but his bikini clad Superman left much to be desired. Ho Hum!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:17 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MacBaker:
his bikini clad Superman left much to be desired.

Frakin' LOL!!!!!!!

I love you, Mac!!!

LOLisall

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:54 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Before Eick, Rymer and Moore sold the world a reimagined BSG there were 3 or 4 other major players in the battlestar re-launch

1
Glen Larson himself (creator of the 70s style BSG)
2
Richard Hatch (actor in the original, novelist and comicbook writer)
3-4
Director Bryan Singer and producer Tom DeSanto

Of all these the Singer/DeSanto version was the most professional and might have produced the biggest success but the Singer/DeSanto continuation story was never to be and yet you can still find plot details and production photos all across the net. Actress Anne Lockhart was going to be reprising her role as ace-fighter pilot Sheba. Many old school fans got behind the Singer production and accuse Moore and Eick of ripping off the Singer/DeSanto scripts. Alleging they were ripping off Singer for the first two seasons of BSG.

I've found it difficult to discover details on Glen Larson's re-launch. Maybe it would be a great show or perhaps a suckfest like the flying motorcycles in Galactica1980. With KightRider re-launched recently I don't think BSG was on Glen Larson's top priorities, but I'm sure he doesn't mind collecting royalty paychecks from these creations.

Hatch was probably the most passionate of all people on BSG, he spent big money all by himself trying to get the show re-lauched and was a very strong critic of the new show accusing Ron Moore of stealing his thunder. Hatch wanted another dark continuation featuring aliens and cameos from actors in the old show. The failure of the Singer-and-DeSanto project was also particularly heartbreaking for Hatch. Moore followed Hatch to one of his oldschool club hideouts offering Hatch a role as actor in the new show. He took the job offered him by Moore and stopped criticizing the reimagined show.

" "I haven't read Tom's script (which was written by a team of writers from what I recall)," Moore said. "From what I've gathered from the message boards, I'm struck by many of the similarities. In essence, we're both retelling the pilot. Also, he had Galactica being retired as well, which kinda sucks since I was sort of proud of that notion being my own.""
In the Singer-DeSanto continuation Apollo was to show up near the end of that series' pilot as a kind of "Borg-ified" Cylon.









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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:07 AM

STORYMARK


I'm perfectly happy with the one we got.

But if I were to pick, I'd prefer the Singer version.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:44 PM

DARKJESTER


I saw the promo/trailer Richard Hatch put together (at DragonCon 2007). The graphics and acting were OK (similar to the original Battlestar), the characters seemed interesting, but the dialogue was cliche'd and predictable.

I don't know about the other two revival plans, but I'm also pleased with the new BSG.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:56 PM

FOLLOWMAL


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by MacBaker:
his bikini clad Superman left much to be desired.

Frakin' LOL!!!!!!!

I love you, Mac!!!

LOLisall



This caused much mirth in my family when we went too. LOL


Originally posted by Jayneztown:

Quote:

"In the Singer-DeSanto continuation Apollo was to show up near the end of that series' pilot as a kind of "Borg-ified" Cylon."



Now that would have been cool!

I'm very happy with the BSG we got. Hooked on it is the more proper term.




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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:17 AM

PARTICIPANT


production photos




here's more info
http://www.colonialfanforce.org/Pages/introduction.htm
LARSON AND DESANTO AT GALACTICON '03

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:08 PM

LWAVES


I am another that is more than happy with the version we got, although I do think that Singer's version would have been interesting to see.

As for Hatch and Larson I think they may have been stuck too much in the late 70's style of show. They would have still appeared dated and cliched even though they would have been made now. I think a lot of viewers would have been put off by this as some do think of the original show as a bit lame and laughable.

Guess we'll never know.



"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Friday, May 23, 2008 12:23 PM

IMNOTHERE


Quote:

Originally posted by lwaves:
As for Hatch and Larson I think they may have been stuck too much in the late 70's style of show. They would have still appeared dated and cliched even though they would have been made now.



Plus, the problem with a continuation is that it wasn't that big a show in the first place - I suspect that outside the die-hard fans, few people would have remembered the plot and character details. Actually - I've only seen the pilot 'movie' and a sequel that got a theatrical release in the UK plus the odd episode from when it got shown in some graveyard slot (and enough of * not to want any more).

If they'd wanted to sell it outside the convention-goers then they'd have had to recap so much of the backstory and character development that they might as well have re-booted.

(* You know - that show that came *after* the original BSG and *before* the new BSG and had a date in the title. I will not utter its name here!)




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Saturday, May 24, 2008 4:19 AM

PARTICIPANT


The reimagined Eick, Moore show had great potential. It worked great for a season or two but would soon fall flat on its face, I think part of the reason might be Eick/Moore were never fans of the series and just accepted the production gig as another way to earn an easy paycheck. Eick and Moore gave us a great series for 20 or so episodes but I think there might be some truth behind the accusations of "rip-off"

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A lot of people criticized the original BSG for being too clichéd or too G rated but ignored the fact that BSG was a dark premise that could have been far better than it was. It was produced in the 1970s where censorship rules were stricter than they are today.

Bryan Singer and Tom DeSanto set out to revive BSG and return it to its dark roots. Unfortunately it was cancelled when it was so close to being filmed. David Eick with Ron Moore took control of the project and went for the re-imagining course instead.

Let us compare and contrast and look at the similarities between Singer/DeSanto and Moore. Note -- The Adama/Orin references meant that Singer and DeSanto kept re-tweaking the character back and forth from Adama to Orin.

Singer & DeSanto -- Darker, grittier than the original series and not family friendly nor a kiddie flick.
Moore -- Darker, grittier than the original series and not family friendly nor a kiddie flick.

Singer & DeSanto -- Human Cylons infiltrating the Colonials. Anyone could be a Cylon.
Moore -- Human Cylons infiltrating the Colonials. Anyone could be a Cylon.

Singer & DeSanto -- Newly advanced CGI Cylon Centurions that would have been featured in action sequences.
Moore -- Newly advanced CGI Cylon Centurions that were only featured in two scenes and basically stood in the background and did nothing. (Damn you Sci-Fi. I wanted to see them in action.)

Singer & DeSanto -- Kept the origins of the Cylons intact but gave them a new semi Borg-like / X-Files black oil motive due to a Cylon Civil War. However, that story arc would have most likely ended by the finale of the first season, so the Cylons could have reverted back to their old ways.
Moore -- Didn't bother to watch the entire TOS, therefore couldn't understand the Cylon's origins nor motives (by just watching the short version of the pilot) so he re-imagined them to be machines turning on their makers.

Singer & DeSanto -- Female President Mara, and always at odds with Commander Adama/Orin.
Moore -- Female President Roslin, and always at odds with Commander Adama.

Singer & DeSanto -- Galactica to be decommissioned because the Cylons had not been heard from in over 20 years.
Moore -- Galactica to be decommissioned because the Cylons had not been heard from in over 40 years.

Singer & DeSanto -- (Dr Wilker ?) unintentionally betrayed the colonies.
Moore -- Dr Baltar unintentionally betrayed the colonies.

Singer & DeSanto -- Starbuck, a manic depressive drunk, breaks free from his slump and becomes a hero upon the Cylon attack.
Moore -- Tigh, a manic depressive drunk, breaks free from his slump and becomes a hero upon the Cylon attack.

Singer & DeSanto -- The Cylons return and ambush New Kobol with the new advanced Cylon Raiders and Missiles from the Basestar in a scene that could have been compared to such films as Armageddon or Deep Impact. Also newly enhanced Centurions would later launch a ground assault.
Moore -- The Cylons return and ambush Kobol except no Cylons are seen (Damn that Sci-Fi's tight budget) so instead the viewers are treated to mushroom clouds in the background and a semi-spectacular scene at Baltar's apartment. Also the Holocaust and destruction of the fleet was dialogue driven.

Singer & DeSanto -- Space battle Scenes -- Traditional Science Fiction with fast moving ships and sounds that would make your surround sound speakers roar.
Moore -- Realistic Science Fiction Experiment with semi/slow moving ships and no sound surround is necessary because there are little to no sounds (for realism purposes.)

Singer & DeSanto -- After the Cylon ambush, Commander Adama/Orin and President Mara decides to begin the quest to Earth based on faith.
Moore -- After the Cylon ambush. Commander Adama and President Roslin decides to begin the quest to Earth based on a lie.

Singer & DeSanto -- A surprise ending with a twist. Apollo, Adama's Son/Orin's Father is a Cylon.
Moore -- A surprise ending with a twist. Sharon Boomer is a Cylon.

Singer & DeSanto -- TOS original cast members were practically knocking down his door for a role (including Jane Seymour.) However, only Dirk Benedict and Herb Jefferson would have been featured and the surprise cameo of Richard Hatch at the end.
Moore -- Every TOS cast member declined any roles that were offered to them.

Singer & DeSanto -- Pilot that was intended to be an updated semi-continuation, fix the flaws and extend the original series.
Moore -- Pilot that was intended to update the story, fix the flaws and bury the original series.

Singer & DeSanto -- was going for a darker traditional Science Fiction Epic feel.
Moore -- was going for a darker docudrama and reality TV feel.

Singer & DeSanto -- Targeted Audience -- 18 to 40.
Moore --Targeted Audiance -- 18 to 40.

In my opinion it does appear that a lot of miniseries groundwork was laid out by Singer/DeSanto until the production was derailed by Sci-Fi and David Eick.



DeSanto was a bit of a scifi movie and comicbook fan as a kid. There were 3 things he loved, Xmen, Battlestar and Transformers. He got to produce two of the above which turned into some of the greatest box office hits.



It might be wrong to say DeSanto's BSG would have been better or worse,
but thanks to Skiffy we will never know.

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Saturday, May 24, 2008 7:47 AM

PIRATECAT


Hatch should have got BG. I miss the real Boomer and Starbuck. I can't stand Stardoe.. Tigh does good. Baltar is a young version of the old one. Other than that I really don't give a frak. Its just the only space show to watch. BSG does take even if its a little piece of the old series in each episode. Maybe Dr Z will show up to give advice to Adama so he can find earth.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Monday, May 26, 2008 4:21 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by participant:

It might be wrong to say DeSanto's BSG would have been better or worse,
but thanks to Skiffy we will never know.




goof article from a battlestar blogger on this whole 'GINO' business
http://positiveliberty.com/2007/03/battlestar-blogging.html

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On this point, I commend Bill Gordon’s essay “GINO,” in the recently published So Say We All: An Unauthorized Collection of Thoughts And Opinions on Battlestar Galactica. Gordon is a resolute fan of the original BSG, who attacks virtually every aspect of the new series, sometimes unreasonably. But he makes solid points when he says that the new series “focuses intently upon the very worst of humanity. It is a fleeting, small-scale, wholly depressing depiction of man’s darkest qualities…that revels in the themes of deceit, paranoia, and betrayal.” Rather than seeking to portray the heroic qualities that are the redeeming character trait of mankind—and that are the answer to Adama’s Challenge—the new show “offers what its producers purport to be a mirror image of contemporary American society: a civilization unable to keep its pants on or [to] rise above its own backstabbing greed, avarice, or lust (both for sex and power) long enough to focus its pursuit on a lie.” Adama’s attitude toward humanity is ambiguous, of course, and Gordon understandably fears that this ambiguity is hopeless. His constant brooding over humanity’s weaknesses—and, worse, his outright lie to his people in pretending to know where Earth is—reveals that he “has no faith in a people that ‘still commit murder because of greed, spite, and jealousy’ and visit all of our sins upon our children.’ A leader who has no faith in his people can certainly never expect his people to place faith in him.” (Emphasis added.)

Gordon makes another point that’s well worth emphasizing. If the show is intended, as so many claim, as an analysis of the post Sept. 11 world, then what exactly is the conclusion we are supposed to draw? If Adama really believes that the terrorizing, obsessively monotheistic and anti-secular Cylons, being humanity’s creation, are some sort of righteous punishment for our wickedness, then

we have no choice but to conclude that [Adama’s] words reflect Moore and Eick’s perception of American society. The clear assertion is that “we” created the terrorists that took the lives of thousands of innocents in the cowardly attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Despite Moore and Eick’s backpedaling and protests that [BSG] is “just a television show,” the fact remains that one of Moore’s documented regrets regarding…[Adama’s Challenge] is that his favorite line, “We are the flawed creation,” was cut from the aired version…. It is a line that speaks volumes regarding the intentions of the writer.

If Americans are worthy of victory over Islamofascism it is not because we are more pious, or that we reject so-called materialistic greed to a sufficient degree; it is not that the Islamofascists’ minor premise is incorrect. It is that our philosophical principles—as articulated in the Declaration of Independence, and as honestly cherished and pursued by millions of Americans every day, despite whatever backsliding and deception we undeniably have practiced—are right and are better than theirs. Likewise, if humanity is worthy of victory over the Cylons, it is not because we give fair trials to traitors or that we regret and feel guilt over the beating of prisoners, or that we, like Apollo, muddle through a universe of seeming incomprehensibility, cramped by constant anxiety and bouts of bleary, tear-soaked compassion—it is because human beings are free, creative, brilliant works of nature who possess something great and powerful within themselves. In this last season particularly we have seen plenty of the former, and very little of the latter.

But this is not my primary complaint. I relish challenging and intelligently written television, even when it is contrary to my own philosophical beliefs. If Moore, et al., really believe that humanity is not worth saving, that is a perfectly fine point to make in art (although obviously I would strongly disagree with it). The problem comes when they make this point while simultaneously laying claim to a humanitarian love for humanity and a belief in such things as “hope,” heroism, or righteous indignation at injustice—and that they do so in a confusing manner; in a manner that often seems inconsistent.

I still enjoy Battlestar Galactica, and I hold out some hope that in the coming season, we will find more heroism and redemption. If so, it will turn out that this last season was an ugly chapter in the history of humanity’s quest for Earth. But if not, I’ll be sad to see this show squander so much potential.




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Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:34 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by participant:


It might be wrong to say DeSanto's BSG would have been better or worse,
but thanks to Skiffy we will never know.



"Megan Fox (Mikaela), Josh Duhamel (Captain Lennox), Tyrese Gibson (Sergeant Epps) and John Turturro (Agent Simmons) will reprise their roles in Transformers 2.
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Sunday, June 1, 2008 1:28 AM

PARTICIPANT


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Sunday, June 8, 2008 1:34 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


The finale for the DeSanto BSG sounded amazing

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Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:10 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


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9/11 Killed Bryan Singer's Battlestar Galactica


http://io9.com/5028917/911-killed-bryan-singers-battlestar-galactica

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Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:11 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

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Monday, June 15, 2009 9:30 AM

IMNOTHERE


Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Hatch: Look to Star Trek XI For New Battlestar Galactica Film



Can they film a new finale for the Ron Moore show that doesn't rely on Bob Dylan (or was it Hendrix?) turning out to be God? At least, I think that was the idea...


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Friday, November 13, 2009 8:10 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Bryan Singer Battlestar Galactica Movie is Underway ?

http://trekweb.com/articles/2009/11/06/Rumor-Mill-Bryan-Singer-Battles
tar-Galactica-Movie-is-Underway.shtml


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According to the Newspaper, Singer is already hard at work on the movie, which according to rumors has more in common with the original series, and is working along side Battlestar Galactica creator Glen A. Larson on the project.


Here is how the newspaper reports the article, courtesy of SciFiPulse:


Now that pre-production has started, any rumors that Singer's next project was going to be "X" related (as in X-Men) has been put to rest, along with any shot he had of helming another Superman flick. There's been no word if Ronald D. Moore will be involved in the re-reboot, yet given the rumored "rocky" relationship between Larson and Moore, it seems unlikely.


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Friday, November 13, 2009 8:20 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by ImNotHere:
Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Hatch: Look to Star Trek XI For New Battlestar Galactica Film



Can they film a new finale for the Ron Moore show that doesn't rely on Bob Dylan (or was it Hendrix?) turning out to be God? At least, I think that was the idea...




Then you misunderstood.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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