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Moon. You guys seen this?

POSTED BY: BRIGLAD
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Friday, April 17, 2009 1:26 PM

BRIGLAD




Looks kinda interesting.

Brian



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Friday, April 17, 2009 2:33 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Cross between HAL 9000, Silent Running and Solaris. But without Cliff Martinez. Looks pretty good.

Too bad its impossible for humans to get to the Moon.



www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=35091&m=642567




"So I can hear what you're saying: 'But you guys replicated the moon shot on a set, and you're special effects artists. You're exactly the kind of guys that NASA would've hired to do this kind of thing in the first place!'"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters Moon Hoax 3:35



"These babies are huge, Sir! Enormous. Oh my God! You wouldn't believe it. I'm telling you there are spacecraft out there, lined up on the far side of the crater edge. They're on the Moon watching us."
-Lt Neil Armstrong, Apollo 11, according to NASA-NAZI Dr Farouk El Baz, Maurice Chatelaine of North American Rockwell, USSR's Dr Aleksander Kazantzev, Dr Vladimir Azhaza, et al.

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:

Too bad its impossible for humans to get to the Moon.

"These babies are huge, Sir! Enormous. Oh my God! You wouldn't believe it. I'm telling you there are spacecraft out there, lined up on the far side of the crater edge. They're on the Moon watching us."
-Lt Neil Armstrong, Apollo 11, according to NASA-NAZI Dr Farouk El Baz, Maurice Chatelaine of North American Rockwell, USSR's Dr Aleksander Kazantzev, Dr Vladimir Azhaza, et al.



So it's impossible to get there, but you put up an apparently redacted quote from Armstrong while he WAS there.

Odd.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:01 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

So it's impossible to get there, but you put up an apparently redacted quote from Armstrong while he WAS there.

Odd.



Depends how you spell the word Moon/moon.

Upper case = satellite orbiting planet Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon

lower case = simulated movie set made of earth.

NASA always uses lower case, except for all other planets and satellites in the Solar System, and all other objects in the universe. It's their little joke. Grammar is not taught in skools anymore.

Armstrong refuses all interviews and boycotts all "documentaries" about Apollo. He was a great pilot on Earth. At the Clinton/Rockefeller White House, he hinted to the kids to "remove Truth's protective layers". A dozen Apollo astronots died on Earth during Apollo. NASA whistleblowers were murdered with their entire families.
www.moonmovie.com

Colonel Buzz became an alcoholic who punched an interviewer in the face for paying him to swear on a Bible he walked in The Moon. Collins is from the Illuminati family of vampyre Barnabus Collins. Collins headbutt the videocam in Astronots Gone Wild.



Too bad about Apollo, named for Satan in Revelation 9:11 (Forerunner Commentary). Which makes sense since NASA Nazis were deported for genociding 25,000 slaves in Hitler's underground ICBM factory at Nordhausen.



Man in the moon is really a woman

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:07 AM

BRIGLAD


Also Armstrong was a civilian at the time of his moon landing. He had resigned his commission in 1960 at the rank of Lt.(junior Grade)

The belief that Man has not not walked on the moon in this day and age is frankly, laughable.

I am old enough to remember watching the missions live. (I admit I was a young child, but I still remember them)

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

I started this thread to draw attention to what looked like an interesting movie. Not debate about the moon landings.

Now please, can we get back on topic?


Brian




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Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:06 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by Briglad:
Also Armstrong was a civilian at the time of his moon landing. He had resigned his commission in 1960 at the rank of Lt.(junior Grade)

The belief that Man has not not walked on the moon in this day and age is frankly, laughable.

I am old enough to remember watching the missions live. (I admit I was a young child, but I still remember them)

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

I started this thread to draw attention to what looked like an interesting movie. Not debate about the moon landings.

Now please, can we get back on topic?


Yes, it appears to be a professionally produced science FICTION movie. I'm sure I'll enjoy watching it and decoding it, when it shows on TV. Dont know the total budget they had to work with. I did notice how easy it is for this movie to fake walking on the Moon. Looks just like Apollo.

Movies today must be able to suspend disbelief in order to turn a profit. This is becoming harder to do since the majority of humans realize Apollo was faked. This is one reason shows like Firefly don't do well. Dumbing down the amerikan sheeple to 25th in world edjukashun in science failed to kill common sense.

In the 1960s space radiation was a Top Secret, and only NASA had VCRs. Vietnam Wars, murders of JFK & RFK, Nixon resignation, release of Operation Northwoods/Mongoose in 2000 - too many scams in such a short time. "Mars" missions now show giant golfball craters, and blue skies just like Earth.

Every time I see a space movie I think of Apolloscam. Thin plastic windows dont keep astronuts from cooking into crispy space bacon. Fuel economy probably prevents intersteller traval no matter how advanced technology gets, not counting radiation that destoys all life.

Hollywood must recognize that people aren't as stoopid nor as insane as they'd like them to be, if Hollywood wants to make money in the future. Too late, Hollywoood's been outsourced. However, indy Truth documentaries in USA are a growth industry.

I was a NASA geek in the 1960s, watched all the Apollo missions on fuzzy TV, launched model rockets at public skool, worshipped at the Smithsonian Air & Space museum and Cape Kennedy (never saw an stronot), and even watched Apollo 17 liftoff in person (my dad got an autograph years later during a lawyer convention). Later I became a licensed pilot, worked on supersonic jets, manufactured jets, and studied engineering in college.

I study Apollo now more than I ever did during Apollo. Thank God and DARPA for the internet. And I produce my own TV show and documentaries, winning awards in Hollywood for music videos like "We Never Went to the Moon" (banned at Gitmo in Support The Troops Tours).


Buzz hates this photo in Hollywood, with Josh Poet, singer of "We Never Went to the Moon"


TV award for Apollo only cost taxpayers $7,500

Google Earth can read your license plate on your car parked in your driveway, but NASA, European, Japanese and Chinese Lunar Orbiters cannot photograph ANY evidence of shiny Apollo landers on the Moon.



"Today the internet went down for 3 hours. The nation was plunged into productivity."
-Norm, The Onion Movie

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:27 AM

SHADESIREN


You guys don't watch Mythbusters, do ya? They already proved that it COULDN'T be faked.

(you can attack that statement if you like, but I don't post or reply often enough to get back here to read them, so don't waste too much energy on me, just wanted to mention it.)

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:53 AM

SAVEWASH

Now I am learning about scary.


I agree: the trailer does make the movie look interesting. I'll be waiting to hear a few reviews.

And I second ShadeSiren: Adam Savage's quote should NOT be used as proof that the Moon landings were faked. Quite the opposite, in fact.



"We need to keep our heads so we can ... keep our heads."

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:06 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

An astronaut becomes stranded on the moon for three years.

www.moon-movie.com



How is it "stranded" if that's how long his contract is?

Be sure to check the original www.moonmovie.com

Quote:

Originally posted by Shadesiren:
You guys don't watch Mythbusters, do ya? They already proved that it COULDN'T be faked.

(you can attack that statement if you like, but I don't post or reply often enough to get back here to read them, so don't waste too much energy on me, just wanted to mention it.)



I repeat:

Quote:

"So I can hear what you're saying: 'But you guys replicated the moon shot on a set, and you're special effects artists. You're exactly the kind of guys that NASA would've hired to do this kind of thing in the first place!'"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters Moon Hoax 3:35





Anyone with experience in scientific/engineering/mechnical testing or video production could spot the defects in mythbusters' hoax, which was financed by NASA and taped on NASA facilities.

MB lost much of their credibility for that show, thus they plan Apolloscam Part 2. Probably a no-bid govt contract.

NASA cancelled its rebuttal to the excellent Apolloscam report on Fox. NASA PR rep Brian Welch dropped dead after he started asking too many questions. He was 45 years old.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=fox+conspiracy+theory+moon&emb=0
&aq=f
#

Mythbusters are playing with fire...

Here's actual NASA video from the Apollo Mission Simulation Project, resulting in 12 dead Apollo astronots during Apollo, plus dead ground crew and their families:



Apollo is the ultimate scifi murder mystery.

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:45 AM

CHRISISALL


I'm there.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:43 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm there.


The laughing Chrisisall



The ultimate scifi murder mystery? Or the Moon?

Scifi murder plot: DESTINATION MOONBASE TANGO
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2009/04/scifi-murder-plot.html
www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=21885&nid=30741

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Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:22 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


My grandfather worked as a physicist for NASA during the Apollo missions. Insinuations that it's nothing but elaborate (and apparently deadly) special effects are deeply offensive to me, my family, and overall common sense and intelligence.
That is all.

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Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:45 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
My grandfather worked as a physicist for NASA during the Apollo missions. Insinuations that it's nothing but elaborate (and apparently deadly) special effects are deeply offensive to me, my family, and overall common sense and intelligence.
That is all.


Do you REALLY know your gramps? Did he work with CIA, who also worked inside NASA during apollo? Did he tell exact details of what he worked on for NASA? Did he write a daily dairy, or perhaps publish a book about his adventures in NASA? How do you know what his bosses did, and their bosses, up the chain of command?

I had a lying business partner whose girlfriend's dad worked as an engineer for NASA. She was built and dressed and acted like a stripper. My other partners were rich mafia. Deal went bad when the other race driver chopped his leg off in a crash. 70-feet of defective govt "guardrail" speared his crotch. Can't trust govt, nor their mafia contractors. Now the 1-legged engineer and my former NASA partners steal cars for a living, with mafia chopshop towtrucking copkillers. Can't trust folks like that.

Here in Knoxville TN, 50,000 workers built nuke bombs in WW2, with no idea what they were making, due to compartmentalization (mind control). Until Japan got nuked, and 200,000 people died. Then the workers started dying by the 1,000s, with no medical treatment. ORNL workers are still dying today, and still suing the govt in court. 1,000s of tons of uranium are missing, according to official govt reports... We are the biggest nuke waste dump on planet Earth. Even Commie nations send their nuke crap here, where govt BURNS INTO SMOKE, or sells radiactive scrap to make dinnerware. Another govt disaster here in town nearly killed 1,000 people when a dam failed last year.

I dare you to look at the facts and think for yourself. My grandad worked in the newspaper business -- not investigative journalism, but selling lies, er, advertising, which is 99% of all newspapers. That doesn't prove that newspapers tell the truth, which we all know they dont. Back then, tobacco companies bought adverts of medical doctors saying cigarettes are good for your health. My grandfather might have been a nice guy, but I don't know, because he never visited, and his 2nd wife was a rich biatch. My other grandfather was mobbed up, apparently.

All Apollo astronots were military combat pilots, some were experienced mass murderers, like Col Buzz Aldrin, who LOVED killing people. Watch Buzz on youtube talking about dropping bombs on human beings, he's much more excited and alert than when "walking on the Moon". But they didn't want to go bomb Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand for the next 15 years, or get shot down as a POW MIA, and maybe never come back. They knew that 55,000 US/UK POWs were abandoned to Commie Russia and China after WW2 and Korea. Apollo was a vacation for elite draft dodgers, except the 11 who died.

During Apollo, the US Govt genocided 2.5-million Vietnamese, most of them our allies in South Vietnam. Just like we've now genicided 2.7-million Iraqis, who were also our allies.

My job in US Air Force was nuking active US military bases in highly populated areas of England.

Big Brother is insane, and criminal. As defined by its own laws and courts. Anyone who works in govt management knows that. Anyone who reads history knows that. Govt and corporations are literally robots, that profit and grow by killing and robbing humans. The humans that work there are just cells inside a larger organism, that they have no control over. Any whistleblower knows that. Law dictionaries define "person" as a "corporation", with the same legal rights as you or me (a sociopathic undead cyborg/robot "person" without a conscience).

Govt is a pathological liar, to the public and to its own employees. That's the most-basic form of mind control. We were told it was a "routine NATO wargame", as we loaded the live bombs. The next morning BBC reported my airbase in UK bombed Libya in Operation El Dorado Canyon, the unprovoked First Strike sneak attack that killed 40 women and children, perped by USAF and RAF. Kate Adie shoved her videocam into a woman's brains on the sidewalk of her neighborhood, as I ate my scrambled eggs for breakfast, to go work on the returning jets. Every US citizen paid $300-million to Libya for that warcrime in 2008.

Now robots are replacing all military pilots, and have already replaced over 50% of train drivers in USA. Robots bomb Afghanistan and Pakistan every day.

Why does the news report that "no spaceship exists that allows humans to survive deadly radiation enroute to the Moon", and the next Moon landings will be robots only? Or don't you read the official NASA reports on SpaceDaily.com?

As for this MOON movie, I'm interested how the mystery unfolds. Is govt doing a psyop on him? What diabolical plots unfold? Or is he just a lone nut going postal?

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Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:10 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

It is somewhat amusing to see someone nobody knows trying to convince someone else nobody knows that someone they really know may be unknown to them.

If I may, Piratenews, you have never generated enough trust in your identity to be more trustworthy to people here than the people you tell us we should distrust.

In the absence of tangible, verifiable evidence, your own trustworthiness is the only weapon at your disposal.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:05 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I believe I said "That is all."
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It is somewhat amusing to see someone nobody knows trying to convince someone else nobody knows...


Actually, I'm hardly unknown to everyone here. I've met several of the posters in person, bunked with them at DragonCon, given them my number, sung karaoke in front of them, comforted them when they were sad, partied with them when they were happy, and in all been pretty open about myself and my life. So, if your point is credibility, which is quite a valid point, I probably have some references who could vouch that I really am what I appear. Just sayin'

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Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:19 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

You really are Zoe? ;-)

Actually, I was commenting on the ironicity of a personality on the internet trying to tell another internet personality that they may not know their own family.

In other words, if you're going to tell me I don't know who my grandfather is, you're going to need something more tangible than your stated credibility.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:05 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

If I may, Piratenews, you have never generated enough trust in your identity to be more trustworthy to people here than the people you tell us we should distrust.

In the absence of tangible, verifiable evidence, your own trustworthiness is the only weapon at your disposal.



I produce a weekly TV show with over 3-million views, winner of 2 awards in Hollywood. I do live radio and TV interviews, not on fantasy, but on real-world legal issues and how to survive the govt court industrial complex. I have 80,000 visitors per month to my websites, which are featured on History Channel and Asahi TV in Japan. I raced cars on live TV in Europe for 5 years. No big deal, anyone can do anything on a low budget, if they want.

My real identity is out there already.

Every fact I report can be backed up by anyone who knows how to google.

Problem is, most folks can't tell the diff between fact and fantasy, and their IQ has been reduced at least 10 points by chemical lobotomy and a lifetime of brainwashing.

Some folks use this fact to their advantage and get filthy rich. Those folks are called sociopaths, politicians and hollywood elite.

The future is Idiocracy. The future is now.




www.piratenews.org/fox-news-owned-by-communist-china.html


TeeVee looks like a webpage


www.freedomtofascism.com


www.september911surprise.com


The president of the United States...

img162.imageshack.us/img162/6725/picture2gj8.jpg
Your childrens' future?

How do you KNOW men walked on The Moon, if you weren't on The Moon to see them? Do you really think Big Brother tells the truth?

Quote:

"In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."
—Nazi chancellor Adolf Hitler Schicklegruber Rothschild, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X

"That is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not as a rule reveal one's secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
-Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, who murdered his wife and 5 daughters before suiciding himself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie



NASA's top Apollo engineers were Nazis...


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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:20 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

This amounts to, "Trust me. I'm the media, and I'm popular. If I tell you your gramps helped fake the moon landings, you better trust me over your own experience."

As for your unassailable facts, I've often been unable to verify or follow them to your conclusions.

--Anthony




"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:43 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

This amounts to, "Trust me. I'm the media, and I'm popular. If I tell you your gramps helped fake the moon landings, you better trust me over your own experience."



ASK Gramps...

Ice breaker for any govt employee: "What's the worst thing you ever saw at work?"

Nobody ever asks that, and you can bet they're dying to tell.

Be ready to shut up for the next hour or two, while your ears burn.

I never said Im popular. But if folks want Truth, they visit my websites and read the news for themselves. The best way to confirm it is to read until your head almost explodes, then apply it to your own life experence, and see that it fits.

Studying history of the Apollo program is a great exercise in critical thinking. As they say at NASA, if you can't make it, fake it.

For example, in this article about a NASA Apollo astronot from Roswell saying we're invaded by space aliens, look how CNN spells The Moon, using lowercase moon. Every planet and satellite in the solar system is spelled uppercase, except when discussing Apollo. This allows them to lie with a straight face, since dictionaries define lowercase moon as a Hollywood studio on Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon

Quote:

Former astronaut: Man not alone in universe

April 20, 2009

Earth Day may fall later this week, but as far as former NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell and other UFO enthusiasts are concerned, the real story is happening elsewhere.

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, shown after his Apollo mission in 1971, claims there "is no doubt we are being visited."

Mitchell, who was part of the 1971 Apollo 14 moon mission, asserted Monday that extraterrestrial life exists, and that the truth is being concealed by the U.S. and other governments.

He delivered his remarks during an appearance at the National Press Club following the conclusion of the fifth annual X-Conference, a meeting of UFO activists and researchers studying the possibility of alien life forms.

Mankind has long wondered if we're "alone in the universe. [But] only in our period do we really have evidence. No, we're not alone," Mitchell said.

"Our destiny, in my opinion, and we might as well get started with it, is [to] become a part of the planetary community. ... We should be ready to reach out beyond our planet and beyond our solar system to find out what is really going on out there."

Mitchell grew up in Roswell, New Mexico, which some UFO believers maintain was the site of a UFO crash in 1947. He said residents of his hometown "had been hushed and told not to talk about their experience by military authorities." They had been warned of "dire consequences" if they did so.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/20/ufo.conference/index.html


In 2004 he told the St. Petersburg Times that a "cabal of insiders" inside the US Government were studying recovered alien bodies, and that this group had stopped briefing US presidents after John F. Kennedy.[7] He said, "We all know that UFOs are real; now the question is, where they come from?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell


Do you spell Operative lowercase or uppercase?

If Navy Commander Mitchell really went to The Moon, why doesn't he already know "what is really going on out there"?


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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:53 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


More trailers at http://moon-trailer.blogspot.com

Review and interview with the director of MOON (son of David Bowie), with spoilers:
www.firstshowing.net/2009/01/26/sundance-interview-moon-writerdirector
-duncan-jones
/

Select to view spoiler:


The astronot's bosses are trying to kill him - just like Apollo.



Sam Rockwell is the only person in the entire movie.

Official Moon movie poster has a typo:

Quote:

Uh, movie making guys? The Moon is 240,000 miles away, not 950,000. There isn’t anything that far away except a random telescope or two and some very thinly dispersed dust and solar wind. Sheesh. That’s a pretty awful mistake to make on a poster! I keep telling these guys that for only a million bucks I’ll be happy to vet what they’re doing. Seems like a bargain to me!
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/04/12/moon-movie-c
oming-from-too-far-away
/


Moon movie also has "artificial gravity", but only when indoors. Like all scifi fliks.

Youtube recently censored official Apollo press conferences and astronot video from the moon:
www.moonmovie.com/articles_2009/speak-no-evil-youtube-censors-free-spe
ech.htm

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:25 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
You really are Zoe? ;-)


LOL! No, though I do test as her in every character quiz ever. My signature is for real my own eyes with my own photoshop filter skills applied to them, and I really am the gal who has started and appeared in numerous picture-sharing threads for a few years now. I know what point you were making, and never having met me I know that I'm just words on a screen to you, but there are people who have 'met' me here and then actually met me elsewhere, to whom I'm not just words on a screen. Most of them tell me that who I am here is pretty similar to who I am, which is good because I'm not trying to be anything else.
To me, you are likewise words on a screen, but they are often level-headed and/or amusing words on a screen that I can respect

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:41 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

Actually, I'm hardly unknown to everyone here.

I've met several of the posters in person, bunked with them at DragonCon, given them my number, sung karaoke in front of them, comforted them when they were sad, partied with them when they were happy, and in all been pretty open about myself and my life.

So, if your point is credibility, which is quite a valid point, I probably have some references who could vouch that I really am what I appear. Just sayin'

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Can I 'know' you next ?

Bein' that you're pretty open with yourself , and all that...

I'll even be one of your 'references' , supposin' you're as good as you say that you are...

When you were bunkin' with those folk , were you doing it like , consecutively , or was it more of a 'group' activity...

Send me some of your references , I'll check 'em out...Also , more nekkid pictures , please !

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:50 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:58 PM

RALLEM


There is one piece of evidence which is proof that NASA sent a man to the Moon and that is the massive quantity of Moon rock it brought down and is in its possession, at the Smithsonian, and is loaned out to other nations for study. There is no way that amount of Moon rock could have fallen to the Earth Naturally.



http://www.swyzzlestyx.com/index.html

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:23 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
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(golfClap) I'm glad you said it - I was having trouble finding the words. (/golfClap)

I guess it's true what they say about pictures...



W W R D ?
What would Rorschach do?

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Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Looks like a cool flick. I like the AI's emoticon expressions.




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Friday, May 1, 2009 8:05 AM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:


How do you KNOW men walked on The Moon, if you weren't on The Moon to see them?



How do you KNOW men DIDN'T walk on the moon, if you weren't there to see them not land there?

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Friday, May 1, 2009 9:07 AM

GREENFAERIE


More proof: the astronauts left a mirror on the moon so we could bounce a laser off it to measure the distance. If we didn't go there and leave a mirror, how does the laser light get bouced back?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060713/news_lz1c13laser.html

(a.k.a. wydraz)

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Friday, May 1, 2009 10:23 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:


How do you KNOW men walked on The Moon, if you weren't on The Moon to see them?



How do you KNOW men DIDN'T walk on the moon, if you weren't there to see them not land there?



2 words : GAMMA RAYS

The surface of the Moon has more gamma rays than the surface of the Sun, according to NASA Moon maps. This is because the 6-million mph Solar wind repels cosmic gamma rays, and the Moon lacks a magnetic force field like the Earth, since it has a solid core.

Global Elemental Maps of the Moon: The Lunar Prospector Gamma-Ray Spectrometer
www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1484


GAMMA RAY SPECTROMETER RESULTS
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/gamres.htm&usg=AFQjCNHBRWbdAAfhn5Gms
HglRli2-bvYwA


NASA had no idea how much gamma rays were on the Moon until 30 years after Apollo, when Lunar orbiters took these images in the 1990s.

If you don't know what a gamma ray is, google it.


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Friday, May 1, 2009 10:43 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by GreenFaerie:
More proof: the astronauts left a mirror on the moon so we could bounce a laser off it to measure the distance. If we didn't go there and leave a mirror, how does the laser light get bouced back?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060713/news_lz1c13laser.html

(a.k.a. wydraz)



2 words: MOON BOUNCE

Quote:

On January 10, 1946 ,a radio amateur in the US Army Signal Corps bounced a radar beam off the moon, marking the first Earth-Moon-Earth transmission. Amateurs using EME today continue to explore the boundaries of radio technology, and its popularity continues to grow.

The first Amateur Radio signals to echo from the moon were transmitted in 1953. Ross Bateman, W4AO, and William L. Smith, W3GKP, bounced 144-MHz signals off the moon.

EME today is an increasingly popular Amateur Radio operating mode among VHF and UHF enthusiasts. Radio amateurs regularly beam signals to the moon, with their reflections painting a large area of our planet.

-American Radio Relay League
www.arrl.org/news/features/2002/01/21/1/


ARRL's Introduction to Moonbounce (EME = Earth-Moon-Earth)
www.arrl.org/tis/info/moon.html



Obviously radio Moonbounce did not use the "Apollo LASER Reflector" in 1946, since Apollo 11 was 1969. Radio signals bounce off the entire surface of the Moon, not off a tiny speck of a mirror.


This all YOU need to bounce a radio signal off the surface of the Moon. It's basically a TV antenna with a 500 watt FM radio transmitter.

I have lightbulbs that use more power than that.


MORE PROOF: APOLLO FEATHER VERSUS HAMMER EXPERIMENT

Note how the feather falls at the same speed as the hammer both "in a vacuum on the moon" and in an atmosphere on Earth.

(3:48)

But this is the #1 "proof" that NASA uses to "prove" Apollo astronots walked on the moon (sic).

READ. THINK. DARE.


But I shall watch this new movie MOON. Will it include Easter Eggs from Apolloscam? Or is it merely a conspiracy cliche perped by a criminal corporation?




"Hahaha, mine is an evil laugh."
-Alpha, Dollhouse (TONIGHT)

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Friday, May 1, 2009 11:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:


How do you KNOW men walked on The Moon, if you weren't on The Moon to see them?



How do you KNOW men DIDN'T walk on the moon, if you weren't there to see them not land there?



2 words : GAMMA RAYS

The surface of the Moon has more gamma rays than the surface of the Sun, according to NASA Moon maps. This is because the 6-million mph Solar wind repels cosmic gamma rays, and the Moon lacks a magnetic force field like the Earth, since it has a solid core.

Global Elemental Maps of the Moon: The Lunar Prospector Gamma-Ray Spectrometer
www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1484


GAMMA RAY SPECTROMETER RESULTS
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/gamres.htm&usg=AFQjCNHBRWbdAAfhn5Gms
HglRli2-bvYwA


NASA had no idea how much gamma rays were on the Moon until 30 years after Apollo, when Lunar orbiters took these images in the 1990s.

If you don't know what a gamma ray is, google it.




Hey, PN?

It looks like (a) your link is broken, and (b) that map is for IRON distribution, which has little to nothing to do with Gamma Rays.

And if you think the moon puts out more Gamma Rays than the sun, you really need to go back to "skool" and learn some more about cosmology.

BTW, why are you trying to link to a NASA site in the first place? Why on Earth (or the moon) would you trust anything they put up, and why would you point to it to "prove" your point, if you had one?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Friday, May 1, 2009 11:38 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:


How do you KNOW men walked on The Moon, if you weren't on The Moon to see them?



How do you KNOW men DIDN'T walk on the moon, if you weren't there to see them not land there?



2 words : GAMMA RAYS

The surface of the Moon has more gamma rays than the surface of the Sun, according to NASA Moon maps. This is because the 6-million mph Solar wind repels cosmic gamma rays, and the Moon lacks a magnetic force field like the Earth, since it has a solid core.

Global Elemental Maps of the Moon: The Lunar Prospector Gamma-Ray Spectrometer
www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1484


GAMMA RAY SPECTROMETER RESULTS
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/gamres.htm&usg=AFQjCNHBRWbdAAfhn5Gms
HglRli2-bvYwA


NASA had no idea how much gamma rays were on the Moon until 30 years after Apollo, when Lunar orbiters took these images in the 1990s.

If you don't know what a gamma ray is, google it.




Hey, PN?

It looks like (a) your link is broken, and (b) that map is for IRON distribution, which has little to nothing to do with Gamma Rays.

And if you think the moon puts out more Gamma Rays than the sun, you really need to go back to "skool" and learn some more about cosmology.

BTW, why are you trying to link to a NASA site in the first place? Why on Earth (or the moon) would you trust anything they put up, and why would you point to it to "prove" your point, if you had one?

Mike



The link is good, just have to cut the junk after .htm. Or google.
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/gamres.htm

Was that so hard to figure out?

NASA supplies all the proof you need to prove Apolloscam. All court cases are won or lost by simply using admissions and confessions against the person who said them. I was in court today, and saw a judge and prosecutor conspire to suborn perjury from drug-dealing cops, while ignoring every rule of law, including banning all news media from the courtroom (myself included).

That's why the Moon Hoax Club is more fun than the Apollo Is God Club. We actually read NASA's Apollo "data", instead of ignore the data.

NASA maps show gamma rays on 100% of the Moon. That's a little bit worse than sunburn on Earth.

Here's the NASA GAmma Ray Space Telescope, run by The Bad Astronomer, who sells the BS that Apollo walked on the Moon, while censoring the fact he is employed by NASA studying GAMMA RAYS in space.

Quote:


Gamma Ray image of Sun

FERMI GAMMA RAY SPACE TELESCOPE

GLAST could lead to important breakthroughs in this area. It will complement NASA's Reuven Ramaty High Energy Solar Spectroscopic Imager (RHESSI) mission, a satellite launched in 2002. RHESSI detects solar-flare gamma rays with energies up to about 20 MeV. The LAT will extend this range to higher than 300 GeV, which will enable astronomers to test theories that have been developed based on data from RHESSI and other instruments.

GLAST may also yield interesting results pertaining to other solar-system bodies. Surprisingly, the Moon is a moderately bright gamma-ray source. As Thompson says, "The only part of the electromagnetic spectrum where the Moon is brighter than the Sun is gamma rays." Being a cold, mostly inert object, the Moon is utterly incapable of producing gamma rays on its own. But cosmic-ray particles slamming into the lunar surface produce secondary gamma rays."

www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/science/solar_system.html



I repeat, quoting from NASA: "The only part of the electromagnetic spectrum where the Moon is brighter than the Sun is GAMMA RAYS." The Sun puts out up to 300 Billion Electron Volts, but the Moon is more than that...

Quote:

High energy diagnostic medical x-ray photons = 200,000 eV

Typical energies from nuclear decay:

gamma = 3 MeV (3-million)

beta = 3 MeV (3-million)

alpha = 10 MeV (10-million)

Cosmic ray energies = 1 MeV to 1000 TeV (1000 trillion = quadrillion)

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/ev.html



Swimming pools and air purifiers use a little UV light bulb to sterilize (kill) 100% of living organisms in just a few seconds on Earth. Gamma rays are used to kill 100% of germs on food from Mexico, since Mexicans use human feces as fertilizer. Gotta love that NAFTA SHAFTA.

Note that it only takes a few seconds to kill a germ -- or human -- with gamma rays:

Quote:

The Food irradiation process

Gamma rays and X-rays form part of the electromagnetic spectrum, like radio waves, microwaves, ultraviolet and visible light rays. Gamma rays and X-rays are in the short wave length, high-energy region of the spectrum. Both Gamma and X-rays can penetrate foods to a depth of several feet.

The radionuclide used almost always for the irradiation of food by gamma rays is cobalt-60. This technology has been used routinely for more than thirty years to sterilize medical, dental and household products, and it is also used for radiation treatment of cancer.

Radioactive substances emit gamma rays all the time. When not in use, the gamma ray “source” is stored in a pool of water which absorbs the radiation harmlessly and completely. To irradiate food or some other product, the source is pulled out of the water into a chamber with massive concrete walls that keep any rays from escaping. Medical products or foods to be irradiated are brought into the chamber, and are exposed to the rays for a defined period of time. After it is used, the source is returned to the water tank.

Only certain radiation sources can be used in food irradiation. These are the radionuclides cobalt-60 or cesium-137 (used very rarely); X-ray machines having a maximum energy of five million electron volts (MeV); or electron machines having a maximum energy of 10 MeV. Energies from these radiation sources are too low to induce radioactivity in any material, including food.

Radiation dose is the quantity of radiation energy absorbed by the food as it passes through the radiation field during processing. It is measured in Gray (Gy) [one Gray equals one Joule of energy absorbed per kilogram of food being irradiated] or in rad (1 Gy = 100 rads). International health and safety authorities have endorsed the safety of irradiation for all foods up to a dose level of 10,000 Gy (10 kGy).

Have there been major accidents at industrial irradiation facilities?

In other countries, a small number of fatal incidents have been documented in which a worker by-passed multiple safety steps to enter the chamber while the source was exposed, resulting in a severe or even lethal radiation injury to themselves.

http://uw-food-irradiation.engr.wisc.edu/Process.html



Why has NASA never provided an Apollo LEM for people to climb into as a museum attraction? The reason is because its almost impossible to climb in to, even without a pressurezed 250-lb spacesuit with backpack.



And when you get inside the LEM, there's no seats, and the engine hump makes it impossible to move. Imagine how hard it would be to blastoff from the Moon while standing, where the tiniest wrong move of the joystick would cause a crash? Imagine how loud it would be inside the LEM on takeoff from the Moon, with a rocket motor 3 feet from your head? Yet the Apollo LEM "blastoffs" show no rocket sound, and no rocket flame.



See how much fun this game is? Apollo is the best scifi story ever sold.

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Friday, May 1, 2009 2:09 PM

BRIGLAD


Where did you go to high school? Neanderthal high?

Cobalt-60 is no more dangerous than any other radioactive material. It does not need a huge water pool to shield it. A little lead and stainless steel does the trick just fine.

The astronauts were exposed to radiation during their trip. About as much as four or five chest x-rays. Certainly not fatal.

Beta radiation can be stopped by thin metal and alpha wouldn't even penetrate a sheet of notebook paper.

Cobalt-60 is a manufactured isotope. My girlfriend spent considerable time exposed to Cobalt- 60 during her radiation treatments for her cancer this past winter. She's doing quite well and is in remission. All thanks to Gamma radiation.

Radiation exposure decreases over distance. That's why you personally don't have cancer from Chernobyl.

For example. If someone were to expose a high energy gamma source, at ten feet, you'd be dead in about a week. two hundred yards and you might get cancer in a few years.

one mile.. you just got an x-ray... no big deal.

Simple physics.

Gamma will not immediately kill a human being. The poor souls who tried to contain the Chernobyl reactor proved that. Some died within hours, true but they were essentially walking on top of an exposed reactor pile.

As for the LEM...

Would you let some snot nosed little kid crawl around 20 million dollars worth of anything, let alone an historical artifact.

Hell no. The few left over LEM's are where they need to be. Museums. Look but don't touch.

The moon is only 1/6th earth gravity. in that environment, crawling around the LEM is fairly easy. they left out the seats because they were heavy. they don't weigh anything in space but they have mass. it takes fuel to move mass.

Yet again, simple physics.

No rocket flame? Give me a break...

Ever seen methanol, Methane or pure hydrogen burn?

Me either since none of those substances produces a visible flame in sunlight. Drive by your local landfill and check out the Methane torches in daylight and at night and you'll see what I mean.

In space, despite the dark sky (no air) it is very bright. Hence the non-visible rocket flame. If you look at the space shuttle main engines when they fire, it's not very bright due to the hydrogen oxygen fuel mix. The boosters make all the fire and smoke since the solid fuel is over 75% powdered aluminum.

The Apollo Saturn Five used straight old Kerosene and oxygen for fuel. Lots of pretty fire.

The LEM used hypergolic fuels. very clean burning

Standing up and bumping the controls?

On liftoff from the moon, they are going from 1/6th G to about 3/4 of a G. I think even I could stand up steadily under that kind of acceleration. Pilots in modern day fighter aircraft pull 9 G's and they don't over control.

Also, the LEM flew mostly on it's computer.

No sound?

No sound in space... Sound is vibrations in a fluid. Air or water. Neither one in space so no sound. Not to mention, the shot you posted was taken by a camera on the lunar rover. I seriously doubt it had a microphone attached.

We can play this game as long as you want but I tire of it.
I started this thread to discuss what looked to be an interesting movie. Not get into a debate about your beliefs or my own.

Like I said before, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. Let us agree to disagree. Let this thread die and get on with our lives.





Brian


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Friday, May 1, 2009 6:38 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Here's how the Moon landing REALLY happened:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=6
992633


No sound in space? What about inside the LEM, touching the rocket motor with your legs and ass? The LEM had an atmosphere, and astronots without helmets talking on open-mike headsets, without any inflection in a quiet voice.

The gamma radiation on the Moon is at point-blank range, at higher levels than the surface of the Sun. Or didn't you read the NASA links and quotes?

The Space shuttle thruster engines use the same Aerozine 50 fuel as the LEM, and are bright white and easily visible. Gemini Titan ICBM booster also uses hydrazine, and have a bright flame on Earth.







Thunderbird LEM's are GO with zero rocket exhaust:



Hydrazine Aerozine rockets have severe pogo, making it impossible to stand on the LEM, which was merely an aluminum can, unable to hold air pressure:
www.aero.org/publications/crosslink/winter2004/05.html

The LEMon had an unstable CG which thrusters cannot control, hence Armstrong crashed on Earth just trying to fly stationary at extremely low altitude at zero forward speed.



The actual LEM did not have a gimballed main engine unlike the simulator, and the sim used a jet not a rocket, while sitting down, so the LEM pilots NEVER got realistic training on Earth. The proper way to test it was to kick it out of a jet at 40,000 feet at 600 mph, not playing hovercraft on the ground.



Note the Hollywood lie, "I've lost thrusters," before the crash. In reality, the thrusters fired at the point of ejection, except they only control the craft in zero G.



Note the thrusters firing constantly on the LLRV simulator on Earth, but you never see thrusters firing on the LEM in space, even when it makes sudden maneuvers then stops suddenly.

Quote:


The distribution of ground-level neutron radiation around the Moon's south pole. "Hot spots" are red; cool spots, blue

Radioactive Moon

How much radiation awaits lunar colonists? A new NASA mission aims to find out.

September 8, 2005: On the Moon, many of the things that can kill you are invisible: breathtaking vacuum, extreme temperatures and space radiation top the list.

Vacuum and temperature NASA can handle; spacesuits and habitats provide plenty of air and insulation. Radiation, though, is trickier.

The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar flares, and some of that radiation is very hard to stop with shielding. Furthermore, when cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous spray of secondary particles right at your feet. All this radiation penetrating human flesh can damage DNA, boosting the risk of cancer and other maladies.

Out in deep space, radiation comes from all directions. On the Moon, you might expect the ground, at least, to provide some relief, with the solid body of the Moon blocking radiation from below. Not so.

When galactic cosmic rays collide with particles in the lunar surface, they trigger little nuclear reactions that release yet more radiation in the form of neutrons. The lunar surface itself is radioactive!

So which is worse for astronauts: cosmic rays from above or neutrons from below? Igor Mitrofanov, a scientist at the Institute for Space Research and the Russian Federal Space Agency, Moscow, offers a grim answer: "Both are worse."

The first global mapping of neutron radiation from the Moon was performed by NASA's Lunar Prospector probe in 1998-99.

To carefully measure and map the Moon's radiation environment, NASA is developing a robotic probe to orbit the Moon beginning in 2008. Called the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), this scout will pave the way for future human missions by measuring space radiation.

One of the instruments onboard LRO is the Cosmic Ray Telescope for the Effects of Radiation (CRaTER).

"Not only will we measure the radiation, we will use plastics that mimic human tissue to look at how these highly energetic particles penetrate and interact with the human body," says Spence, who is the Principal Investigator for CRaTER.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/08sep_radioactivemoon.htm


Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (NOT LAUNCHED)
http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/



How come NASA still dont know how much radiation astronots will find on the Moon? Didn't they already go there and measure it?

As for my education, my major was mechanical engineering in college. In US Air Force I worked on supersonic bombers and nukes (to nuke USAF/RAF bases via controlled demolitions in UK). I even built homemade plastic jet aircraft for humans to fly in at 450 mph (Lancair Turbine). I've been to Smithsonian Air & Space Museum and Cape Kennedy, even watched Apollo 17 blast off at the Cape. My wife even lived inside an ICBM nuke missile silo, with the nukes. I did go to a crappy private high school and military academy with zero science and math training.

Have you read Operation Northwoods, and what it says about the Apollo program? Google it. How can you trust ANYTHING govt says after that?

Apollo = FAIL

Quote:

"It was a little bit of a sham, I admit. The reality is when you get in the cockpit something usually goes wrong. If you actually lift off it's really a big surprise."
-Lt Neil Armstrong



"As for walking on the moon, sometimes I wonder if that really happened. I can honestly say—and it's a great surprise to me that I have never had a dream about being on the moon. It's a great disappointment to me."
-Lt Neil Armstrong, Apollo 11

"When I was at the Bohemian Grove, Neil Armstrong was there, just a year after he stepped on the moon. His speech by the lake was called 'The Food of The Future: Oil'. Honestly! Even the fat cats around me were moaning on their way back to peeing on the redwoods. I was more disappointed that Armstrong never mentioned the Moon once."
—Amazon.com review of Hollyweird's mockumentary "Teddy Bears' Picnic" about Satanic Bohemian Grove presidential retreat and homosexual nudist colony

Lt Neil Armstrong speaking at dedication of 'Neil Armstrong Hall of Engineering' at Purdue, WITHOUT SAYING ONE WORD ABOUT NASA OR WALKING ON THE MOON:



"The space race was a diversion..."
-Lt Neil Armstrong at NASA 50th Anniversary Gala WITHOUT SAYING ONE WORD ABOUT WALKING ON THE MOON



"100 years ago Jules Verne wrote a book about its spaceship Columbia, it took off from Florida and landed in the Pacific Ocean, after completing a trip to the Moon. It's appropriate for us to share with you the reflections of the crew of the modern day Columbia completes its rondevue with the planet Earth in the same Pacific Ocean tomorrow."
-Lt Neil Armstrong on Apollo 11, July 1969

#

"NASA will send a series of unmanned probes to the Lunar surface to prepare for future human exploration. A Brave New World awaits us..."
-Lt Neil Armstrong, 2004



"By the prognosis of statisticians, you should be dead in space and I should be in jail on Earth."
—Dr Baron Werner von Braun, NASA Nazi Waffen SS Major at Mittelworks underground ICBM factory and Death Camp at Norhausen, Germany, saved from war-crimes trial and death penalty for genociding 25,000 slaves via Pentagon's Operation Paperclip, to Lt Neil Armstrong

"There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth's protective layers?"
-Lt Neil Armstrong, White House ceremony, 1994



"You do not deserve answers!"
-Lt Neil Armstrong, Astronots Gone Wild
www.moonmovie.com



Armstrong refuses to display any Apollo memorabilia in his home but only has citations and photos of his test pilot days...

Top Secret Moon Movies
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561


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Saturday, May 2, 2009 3:40 PM

GREENFAERIE


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by GreenFaerie:
More proof: the astronauts left a mirror on the moon so we could bounce a laser off it to measure the distance. If we didn't go there and leave a mirror, how does the laser light get bouced back?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060713/news_lz1c13laser.html

(a.k.a. wydraz)



2 words: MOON BOUNCE

Quote:

On January 10, 1946 ,a radio amateur in the US Army Signal Corps bounced a radar beam off the moon, marking the first Earth-Moon-Earth transmission. Amateurs using EME today continue to explore the boundaries of radio technology, and its popularity continues to grow.

(more randomness follows)



Um, you totally ignored the point of my post. EXPLAIN to me HOW the MIRRORS got on the Moon that BOUNCED LASER LIGHT off them. NOT radio or radar waves. LASER LIGHT does not bounce off the Moon. It takes a mirror or other very flat smooth reflective surface to do so. THERE IS NO SUCH NATURALLY OCCURRING SURFACE ON THE MOON.

And what does the hammer & feather experiement have to do with it? NOTHING. Answer my original question, and stop your diversions.

You are a desperate person grasping at straws.

(a.k.a. wydraz)

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Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:31 AM

RALLEM


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:


How do you KNOW men walked on The Moon, if you weren't on The Moon to see them?



How do you KNOW men DIDN'T walk on the moon, if you weren't there to see them not land there?



2 words : GAMMA RAYS

The surface of the Moon has more gamma rays than the surface of the Sun, according to NASA Moon maps. This is because the 6-million mph Solar wind repels cosmic gamma rays, and the Moon lacks a magnetic force field like the Earth, since it has a solid core.

Global Elemental Maps of the Moon: The Lunar Prospector Gamma-Ray Spectrometer
www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1484


GAMMA RAY SPECTROMETER RESULTS
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/gamres.htm&usg=AFQjCNHBRWbdAAfhn5Gms
HglRli2-bvYwA


NASA had no idea how much gamma rays were on the Moon until 30 years after Apollo, when Lunar orbiters took these images in the 1990s.

If you don't know what a gamma ray is, google it.




Okay so there are Gamma Rays on the Moon and NASA didn't know of them until some time after they landed men on the Moon, so why exactly is that considered as evidence that they didn't place men on the Moon? I read up on X-Rays and gamma rays and according to the article it said gamma rays were the most destructive form of radiation, but it also said that gamma rays were used as treatment to curing cancer. My question is could the suits the Astronauts wore have protected them from a threat NASA did not even know of like Gamma Rays?



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Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:40 AM

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Originally posted by rallem:

Okay so there are Gamma Rays on the Moon and NASA didn't know of them until some time after they landed men on the Moon, so why exactly is that considered as evidence that they didn't place men on the Moon? I read up on X-Rays and gamma rays and according to the article it said gamma rays were the most destructive form of radiation, but it also said that gamma rays were used as treatment to curing cancer. My question is could the suits the Astronauts wore have protected them from a threat NASA did not even know of like Gamma Rays?



Gamma Rays KILL ALL HUMAN CELLS with cancerous immortality.

Gamma Rays KILL ALL HUMAN CELLS period.

Gamma Rays KILL ALL LIVING FLESH ON CONTACT.

Gamma Rays penetrate SEVERAL FEET into human tissue - it's NOT skin deep like UV.

Cloth space suits with plastic helmets and foil visors offer ZERO protection from gamma rays. In fact, when a gamma rays hits a spacesuit, helmet or visor is STARTS A NUCLEAR CHAIN REACTION which MAKES THE SPACESUIT RADIOACTIVE and INCREASES THE RADIATION.

Over 700,000 US Iraq War veterans are now paid disability pensions, with over 70,000 dead, according to US Govt Veterans Administration, not counting Social Security pensions. Much or most of those injuries are due to so-called "Depleted Uranium" which is radioactive for 35-BILLION years, and is used in all bullets and tank armor. It first gives off alpha radiation, which is deadly when inhaled or eaten, and spontaneously combusts when fired from a gun. The alpha radiation then degrates into beta radiation and gamma radiation., inside the human body.

Birth defects in Iraq are now horrendous, as well as birth defects for US troops, due to DU dust.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=depleted+uranium&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

When I loaded nukes for Uncle Scam, I was never allowed radiation testing, not on me and not on the nukes. Like an idiot I didn't question that at the time. But now I've been disabled for 12 years, just like some of the guys I worked with every day (who may be dead now).

Uncle Scam don't give a damn about killing its employees, with radiation or anything else. What Uncle Scam CANNOT tolerate is killing its employees on live TeeVee. That panics the sheeple or triggers Revolution.

The REAL Moon program was Top Secret, with the real astronauts never identified, and probably only Russians. They did not survive the trip. So there proably are DEAD astronauts on the Moon today, either corpsified in their spaceship on the surface, or vaporized in a new crater.

Cremated human corpses also have actually "landed" on the Moon, for rich folks paying to have their ashes crashed into the surface.

So NASA can say with a straight face that humans did "go" to the Moon. Just not the named Apollo astronots.


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Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:49 AM

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Originally posted by GreenFaerie:

Um, you totally ignored the point of my post. EXPLAIN to me HOW the MIRRORS got on the Moon that BOUNCED LASER LIGHT off them. NOT radio or radar waves. LASER LIGHT does not bounce off the Moon. It takes a mirror or other very flat smooth reflective surface to do so. THERE IS NO SUCH NATURALLY OCCURRING SURFACE ON THE MOON.

And what does the hammer & feather experiement have to do with it? NOTHING. Answer my original question, and stop your diversions.



You totally ignored my answer. Either atronomers use the Russian reflectors on the Moon, or bounced a laser off the Lunar surface, or LIED. After all, only THREE PHOTONS actually "bounce back" from the Moon from the world's most powerful laser beam, which could just be random light noise. Radio Moonbounce is how NASA has always measured the distance to the Moon, not with laser beams.

NASA claims the hammer/feather is NASA's best proof. I agree with you that it proves nothing to benefit NASA.

Google Operation Northwoods, and read the declassified Pentagon document, and the ABC News report about it on 1 May 2001. See what it says about killing astronots, and its confession how Uncle Scam will lie about everything, including the space program.

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Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by rallem:

Okay so there are Gamma Rays on the Moon and NASA didn't know of them until some time after they landed men on the Moon, so why exactly is that considered as evidence that they didn't place men on the Moon? I read up on X-Rays and gamma rays and according to the article it said gamma rays were the most destructive form of radiation, but it also said that gamma rays were used as treatment to curing cancer. My question is could the suits the Astronauts wore have protected them from a threat NASA did not even know of like Gamma Rays?



Gamma Rays KILL ALL HUMAN CELLS with cancerous immortality.

Gamma Rays KILL ALL HUMAN CELLS period.

Gamma Rays KILL ALL LIVING FLESH ON CONTACT.

Gamma Rays penetrate SEVERAL FEET into human tissue - it's NOT skin deep like UV.

Cloth space suits with plastic helmets and foil visors offer ZERO protection from gamma rays. In fact, when a gamma rays hits a spacesuit, helmet or visor is STARTS A NUCLEAR CHAIN REACTION which MAKES THE SPACESUIT RADIOACTIVE and INCREASES THE RADIATION.

Over 700,000 US Iraq War veterans are now paid disability pensions, with over 70,000 dead, according to US Govt Veterans Administration, not counting Social Security pensions. Much or most of those injuries are due to so-called "Depleted Uranium" which is radioactive for 35-BILLION years, and is used in all bullets and tank armor. It first gives off alpha radiation, which is deadly when inhaled or eaten, and spontaneously combusts when fired from a gun. The alpha radiation then degrates into beta radiation and gamma radiation., inside the human body.

Birth defects in Iraq are now horrendous, as well as birth defects for US troops, due to DU dust.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=depleted+uranium&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

When I loaded nukes for Uncle Scam, I was never allowed radiation testing, not on me and not on the nukes. Like an idiot I didn't question that at the time. But now I've been disabled for 12 years, just like some of the guys I worked with every day (who may be dead now).

Uncle Scam don't give a damn about killing its employees, with radiation or anything else. What Uncle Scam CANNOT tolerate is killing its employees on live TeeVee. That panics the sheeple or triggers Revolution.

The REAL Moon program was Top Secret, with the real astronauts never identified, and probably only Russians. They did not survive the trip. So there proably are DEAD astronauts on the Moon today, either corpsified in their spaceship on the surface, or vaporized in a new crater.

Cremated human corpses also have actually "landed" on the Moon, for rich folks paying to have their ashes crashed into the surface.

So NASA can say with a straight face that humans did "go" to the Moon. Just not the named Apollo astronots.


Radiation is NOT good for you
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Gamma Ray:
n.
Electromagnetic radiation emitted by radioactive decay and having energies in a range from ten thousand (104) to ten million (107) electron volts

High-energy electromagnetic radiation emitted from atomic nuclei during a nuclear reaction. Gamma rays and very-high-energy X rays differ only in origin (X rays do not originate from atomic nuclei).

Penetrating very short-wavelength electromagnetic radiation, similar to an X-ray but of higher energy, that is emitted spontaneously by some radioactive substances. Gamma radiation also originates in the decay of certain subatomic particles and in particle-antiparticle annihilation. Gamma rays can initiate nuclear fission, can be absorbed by ejection of an electron, and can be scattered by free electrons.

High frequency electromagnetic radiation from radioactive particles.

Gamma rays are like the light we see with our eyes, the x-rays used to probe our bodies in search of problems, and the radio waves that our television sets translate into inane shows. The only difference among these types of electromagnetic radiation is the wavelengths of the waves and how fast they vibrate. Gamma rays are the most energetic (and vibrate the most); radio waves are the least energetic and vibrate the least.

Uses:

Because the wavelength of gamma radiation is so short, a single incident photon can impart significant damage to a living cell. This property means that gamma radiation is often used to kill living organisms, in a process called irradiation. Applications of this include sterilizing medical equipment (as an alternative to autoclaves or chemical means), removing decay-causing bacteria from many foods or preventing fruit and vegetables from sprouting to maintain freshness and flavor.

Due to their tissue penetrating property, gamma rays/X-rays have a wide variety of medical uses such as in CT Scans and radiation therapy (see X-ray). However, as a form of ionizing radiation they have the ability to effect molecular changes, giving them the potential to cause cancer when DNA is affected. The molecular changes can also be used to alter the properties of semi-precious stones, and is often used to change white topaz into blue topaz.

Despite their cancer-causing properties, gamma rays are also used to treat some types of cancer. In the procedure called gamma-knife surgery, multiple concentrated beams of gamma rays are directed on the growth in order to kill the cancerous cells. The beams are aimed from different angles to focus the radiation on the growth while minimizing damage to the surrounding tissues.

You said:
Quote:

Cloth space suits with plastic helmets and foil visors offer ZERO protection from gamma rays. In fact, when a gamma rays hits a spacesuit, helmet or visor is STARTS A NUCLEAR CHAIN REACTION which MAKES THE SPACESUIT RADIOACTIVE and INCREASES THE RADIATION.


How stuff works says:
Space suits must provide all of the comfort and support that the Earth or a spacecraft does, addressing issues like atmosphere, water and protection from radiation.


Perhaps you underestimate the intelligence of everyone but you.






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Sunday, May 3, 2009 7:28 PM

OPPYH


Piratenews,

The moon landing was our greatest achievement.

The hard work of NASA, and the courageous astronauts did something fairy tales can't even match. They broke the bonds of disbelief, and real world weariness in a troubled time. And for once, and maybe one time only our beautiful earth, and all it's people were renewed with a sense of hope, and wonderment.

Of course since that time our space program has fallen apart. People in general could give a rat's ass about anything space related.

But back to the point.....how dare you sir!

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Monday, May 4, 2009 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Piratenews,

The moon landing was our greatest achievement.

The hard work of NASA, and the courageous astronauts did something fairy tales can't even match. They broke the bonds of disbelief, and real world weariness in a troubled time. And for once, and maybe one time only our beautiful earth, and all it's people were renewed with a sense of hope, and wonderment.

Of course since that time our space program has fallen apart. People in general could give a rat's ass about anything space related.

But back to the point.....how dare you sir!



Rebuttal:

During apollo, the same US military that provided astronots and rockets is the same US military that wrote Operation Northwoods, genocided 2.5-million people in the illegal Vietnam Wars, assassinated president JFK and others (Northwoods), paid Israel to sink USS Liberty to blame Arabs (Northwoods), and sent Pentagon US Navy officer Bob Woodward to force president Nixon to resign during Watergate (Nixon's CIA Watergate burgler E Howard Hunt confessed to assassinating JFK as proven by jury verdict in court in Hunt v Liberty Lobby). Apollo was run by NASA Nazis indicted and deported as warcriminals for the genocide of 25,000 slaves in their underground ICBM factory of death, among 10s of millions of other murders.

JFK was assassinated because he vetoed Northwoods, wanted to "smash the CIA into 1000 pieces", ended the Vietnam War, was ending the private "Federal" Reserve Bank counterfieting all "US dollar bills" (sic) and stealing all IRS income taxes, and would never have allowed faking the Moon landings. Mafia VP Nixon started Northwoods, which is why president General Ike warned USA about the Military Industrial Complex.

Operation Northwoods included Pentagon lying about the deaths of astronots, and using robot drones to replace manned missions. Northwoods was a signed confession to treason by the Pentagon joint chiefs of staff, and included the Pentagon hiring enemy soldiers to attack US troops, Pentagon perping sniper assassinations in USA to blame patsies, Pentagon bombing Washington DC to blame patsies, Pentagon hijacking US airliners by remote control and killing everyone on board (fake deaths of CIA agents with fake funerals).

OPERATION NORTHWOODS - declassified in 2000 as part of JFK Assassination Archives
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

Until USA faces these facts of engineering, science and history, there's no hope of ever "returning" live humans to the Moon and returning them safely to Earth. And probably no hope for the immediate survival of USA. But all the scifi you want in the virtual 'verse.

In fact, Hussein Obama cancelled all NASA Moon missions last week. No future human Moon missions, no human Mars missions.
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38086

Because it's impossible, not because of bugetary deficits. Obama and GW Bush just gave $14-trillion dollars to the international banksters, and stole 60-million acres of "federal" land from the sheeple.

As for this MOON movie, I like its script that links conspiracy to the Moon missions. Which will probably kill MOON in the box office, since conspiracy and moon cannot be used in the same sentence. Or They have to kill ya.

I also like how MOON's website will send folks to Bart Sibrel's website at www.moonmovie.com .

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:12 AM

RALLEM


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:
Piratenews,

The moon landing was our greatest achievement.

The hard work of NASA, and the courageous astronauts did something fairy tales can't even match. They broke the bonds of disbelief, and real world weariness in a troubled time. And for once, and maybe one time only our beautiful earth, and all it's people were renewed with a sense of hope, and wonderment.

Of course since that time our space program has fallen apart. People in general could give a rat's ass about anything space related.

But back to the point.....how dare you sir!



Rebuttal:

During apollo, the same US military that provided astronots and rockets is the same US military that wrote Operation Northwoods, genocided 2.5-million people in the illegal Vietnam Wars, assassinated president JFK and others (Northwoods), paid Israel to sink USS Liberty to blame Arabs (Northwoods), and sent Pentagon US Navy officer Bob Woodward to force president Nixon to resign during Watergate (Nixon's CIA Watergate burgler E Howard Hunt confessed to assassinating JFK as proven by jury verdict in court in Hunt v Liberty Lobby). Apollo was run by NASA Nazis indicted and deported as warcriminals for the genocide of 25,000 slaves in their underground ICBM factory of death, among 10s of millions of other murders.

JFK was assassinated because he vetoed Northwoods, wanted to "smash the CIA into 1000 pieces", ended the Vietnam War, was ending the private "Federal" Reserve Bank counterfieting all "US dollar bills" (sic) and stealing all IRS income taxes, and would never have allowed faking the Moon landings. Mafia VP Nixon started Northwoods, which is why president General Ike warned USA about the Military Industrial Complex.

Operation Northwoods included Pentagon lying about the deaths of astronots, and using robot drones to replace manned missions. Northwoods was a signed confession to treason by the Pentagon joint chiefs of staff, and included the Pentagon hiring enemy soldiers to attack US troops, Pentagon perping sniper assassinations in USA to blame patsies, Pentagon bombing Washington DC to blame patsies, Pentagon hijacking US airliners by remote control and killing everyone on board (fake deaths of CIA agents with fake funerals).

OPERATION NORTHWOODS - declassified in 2000 as part of JFK Assassination Archives
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

Until USA faces these facts of engineering, science and history, there's no hope of ever "returning" live humans to the Moon and returning them safely to Earth. And probably no hope for the immediate survival of USA. But all the scifi you want in the virtual 'verse.

In fact, Hussein Obama cancelled all NASA Moon missions last week. No future human Moon missions, no human Mars missions.
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38086

Because it's impossible, not because of bugetary deficits. Obama and GW Bush just gave $14-trillion dollars to the international banksters, and stole 60-million acres of "federal" land from the sheeple.

As for this MOON movie, I like its script that links conspiracy to the Moon missions. Which will probably kill MOON in the box office, since conspiracy and moon cannot be used in the same sentence. Or They have to kill ya.

I also like how MOON's website will send folks to Bart Sibrel's website at www.moonmovie.com .



Get a grip. Is your life nothing but conspiracy theories? Were the qualifications you listed to give credence to your asinine claims, all gotten while you were working as a secret agent?



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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:49 AM

ZZETTA13


Yepper, saw the “Moon” trailer and thought it looked intriguing. Waiting to see “Star Trek” and “Terminator: Salvation” May 19.

Showed my wife the trailer for “ Moon”. I think she was more interested than she played to be.

Anyway, We'll see what happens.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:53 AM

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Showed my wife the trailer for “ Moon”. I think she was more interested than she played to be.



Yeah, but that's only because Sam Rockwell is starring in it. Priscilla does the same thing to me.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 6:10 AM

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Originally posted by rallem:

Get a grip. Is your life nothing but conspiracy theories? Were the qualifications you listed to give credence to your asinine claims, all gotten while you were working as a secret agent?



Is your life nothing but worshipping govt as your god, and believing every lie sold to you?

USA is the laughingstock of the world because of stuppid Amerikan sheeple. USA now ranks 25th in the world for science and math skills, which aren't required to believe in scifi. 50-million illiterate illegal aliens are not counted in those figures, or USA would rank 100th.

When I went to school, I won county math contests. But half of today's high skool grads who pay for college can't take any college classes without retaking years of remedial math.

It's really scary how many essential skills US skools don't teach. Europeans students are required to learn about how insane their royal families were (are), massacring their entire families publicly (King Henry 8th founder of the Church of England and inventor of divorce hanged all his wives because divorce was illegal by the Catholic Nation), or privately, bathing in bathtubs of blood of 500 young virgins (John Kerry and GW Bush's cousin Countess Dracula Elizabeth Bathory). Idiot Amerikan students/tourists are tought that European royality are "quaint", not homicidal dictatorships, as they retake ownership of planet Earth by hostile takeover. The British Empire burned Washington DC and the White House in the War of 1812.

MOON and many other movies are clues that criminal conspiracies are the opposite of conspiracy theories. The most absurd conspiracy theories are always promoted by govts to protect themselves from arrest (Hitler's arson of the German Reichstag parliament, etc).

Unfortuneately, HG Wells (author of The New World Order) ran a psyop for OSS/CIA in War Of The Worlds, proving sheeple cannot tel lthe difference between reality and fantasy, even when illegal aliens invade from outer space.

Folks pay to watch the Terminator franchise "for fun", without thinking as it sells predictive programming of overthrow of USA, robots replacing police and military in USA (while ignoring real Pentagon recruitment TV ads for killer robots), and a Nazi illegal alien gay porn star as governor of bankrupt California and president of USA.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 6:37 AM

RALLEM


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by rallem:

Get a grip. Is your life nothing but conspiracy theories? Were the qualifications you listed to give credence to your asinine claims, all gotten while you were working as a secret agent?



Is your life nothing but worshipping govt as your god, and believing every lie sold to you?

USA is the laughingstock of the world because of stuppid Amerikan sheeple. USA now ranks 25th in the world for science and math skills, which aren't required to believe in scifi. 50-million illiterate illegal aliens are not counted in those figures, or USA would rank 100th.

When I went to school, I won county math contests. But half of today's high skool grads who pay for college can't take any college classes without retaking years of remedial math.

It's really scary how many essential skills US skools don't teach. Europeans students are required to learn about how insane their royal families were (are), massacring their entire families publicly (King Henry 8th founder of the Church of England and inventor of divorce hanged all his wives because divorce was illegal by the Catholic Nation), or privately, bathing in bathtubs of blood of 500 young virgins (John Kerry and GW Bush's cousin Countess Dracula Elizabeth Bathory). Idiot Amerikan students/tourists are tought that European royality are "quaint", not homicidal dictatorships, as they retake ownership of planet Earth by hostile takeover. The British Empire burned Washington DC and the White House in the War of 1812.

MOON and many other movies are clues that criminal conspiracies are the opposite of conspiracy theories. The most absurd conspiracy theories are always promoted by govts to protect themselves from arrest (Hitler's arson of the German Reichstag parliament, etc).

Unfortuneately, HG Wells (author of The New World Order) ran a psyop for OSS/CIA in War Of The Worlds, proving sheeple cannot tel lthe difference between reality and fantasy, even when illegal aliens invade from outer space.

Folks pay to watch the Terminator franchise "for fun", without thinking as it sells predictive programming of overthrow of USA, robots replacing police and military in USA (while ignoring real Pentagon recruitment TV ads for killer robots), and a Nazi illegal alien gay porn star as governor of bankrupt California and president of USA.



Your major problem is that you list the conspiracies and your opinions as facts, and fail to list them as conspiracies and your opinions, so everything you say is suspect. Just listing them as conspiracies and opinions would do great things for giving what you write some credence, but then listing your sources could increase your credibility even more unless you listed unreliable sources. (listing of some unreliable resources of information is okay if it is backed up by other sources too.)




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