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Monday, June 22, 2009 6:14 AM

CHRISISALL


No middle of the road here! Only extreme-like movies. Make two lists, long or short. I don't think we have to indicate which political end of the spectrum they represent, but go ahead if ya feel the need.
Me first:

Conspiracy Theory
Silent Running
Demolition Man
Star Wars
They Live

Conan The Barbarian
Dirty Harry
Magnum Force
Demolition Man (it's both I guess...)
Rocky 4


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Monday, June 22, 2009 6:30 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Fav. Lib.: Wild In The Streets, Network, I Love You Alice B. Toklas
Fav. Con.: Executive Action, Rollerball, Zardoz

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Monday, June 22, 2009 6:40 AM

CHRISISALL


Where does a movie like Gattaca fall? I mean, it's about an effed-up future, so at first glance I'd think of it as Liberal, but who's to say that that kind of repressive nonsense couldn't have it's origins in Liberalism?

Whaddya think?


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Monday, June 22, 2009 6:43 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Where does a movie like Gattaca fall? I mean, it's about an effed-up future, so at first glance I'd think of it as Liberal, but who's to say that that kind of repressive nonsense couldn't have it's origins in Liberalism?

Whaddya think?


The laughing Chrisisall


Similar to Zardoz.....good intentions by Liberals turns to depressing nightmare

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Monday, June 22, 2009 6:54 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Similar to Zardoz.....good intentions by Liberals turns to depressing nightmare

I effin' love that flick.

So then, what about Planet Of The Apes? Seems Liberal in intent, all that social commentaty & satire, and ultimately anti war, yet Heston was a noted Conservative, & some Conservative values (The right for humans to bear arms ) seem to come thru...





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Monday, June 22, 2009 7:05 AM

JONGSSTRAW


1968 Apes has elements of both. Clearly a conservative society, but a few scientists represent enlightened liberalism. They clash, but the status quo remains at the end of the film. I'd have to characterize Heston as liberal in the movie, but ultimately he finds out that Dr. Zaius was right, and he can understand the witholding of the knowledge of ape & humanity's past

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Monday, June 22, 2009 7:17 AM

CHRISISALL


I can agree with your interpretation, though Taylor was a disillusioned Liberal at best.

Hey- Parallax View, it doesn't get more Left than THAT, eh? The opposite equal might be Red Dawn...


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Monday, June 22, 2009 7:27 AM

COZEN


Oh, Idunno, how about Triumph of the Will? The Milagro Beanfield War?

Either of those out on Blu-Ray?

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Monday, June 22, 2009 7:30 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by cozen:
Oh, Idunno, how about Triumph of the Will? The Milagro Beanfield War?


Never saw the first one, and it's been a while since Milagro- was it Conservative-like? I don't remember...


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Monday, June 22, 2009 3:44 PM

COZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by cozen:
Oh, Idunno, how about Triumph of the Will? The Milagro Beanfield War?


Never saw the first one, and it's been a while since Milagro- was it Conservative-like? I don't remember...


The laughing Chrisisall



Meh, Milagro was as lefty a film as I could think of while I was replying to this thread during a brief time-out at work. Triumph of the Will, on the other hand, is the shit, in a massively non-trivial way.

Ever seen a commercial on your television? Regardless, whether or not you have been swayed to purchase a consumer item or to vote one way or another based on an advertisement, rest assured that the tropes, the imagery, the visual technique, the music and the presentation of any advertisement you have ever seen are all based on the techniques that Leni Riefenstahl introduced in Triumph of the Will. I think that it's fair to assume that any film studies course at the university level necessarily incorporates TotW in it's curriculum. It's gorram seminal.

For all that TotW was mere propoganda on behalf of the German Nazi Party, for which Riefenstahl was vilified for the greater part of her 100+ year lifespan, its tropes and imagery, it's camera and lens techniques, and it's use of music was the grandmother of all propoganda -- ergo, in my mind, "advertisement." Love it or hate it, it's effect upon modern media is immense, is fundamental, is profound.

I had the intent of providing a link to a vid of TotW, but when I googled it I got too many hits for my lazy self to choose from, so I leave it to you to find the time to search for and view this amazing flick. It's time well spent, if you've any interest in what makes well rendered images so powerful an influence upon our willing minds.

Other than that, it sucks!

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Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:44 AM

IMNOTHERE


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Where does a movie like Gattaca fall?




The Gattaca-style dystopia is more down to corporate globalism than traditional Left/Right politics: only a neo-fascist would defend that sort of eugenics, but if you can't stop multinationals offshoring their employee health insurance to Lichtenstein, then those insurers can sustain astronomical prices for the reduced amount of medical services they do use, pricing other insurers and public healthcare schemes out of the market...


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Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:59 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ImNotHere:

The Gattaca-style dystopia is more down to corporate globalism than traditional Left/Right politics

Well, the right seems to favour deregulation, and the left seems to favour nanny state ways, so maybe Gattaca is the worst of BOTH worlds.


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Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:52 AM

GRIPPER


Anyone mention "MInority Report"yet??The whole "pre-crime" investigative/enforcement arm sound slike astatist/control freak's wet dream-so althoug I am more than a little right wing(libertarian conservative type)I could see it as damning BOTH houses-think"hate crimes"/Napolitano's "potential terrorist"crap bouncing off of the governmental machinery empowered my nominal conservatives....We all know the road that good intentions paves,right???
Speaking of "Red Dawn"-who WAS the Spetnaz/desantnikiye type that was sent in to hunt down Patrick Swayze's character towards the end???Tall guy,pockmanrked;slightly Mongol type cheek bones???Use to see him in a variety of tough guy roles....

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Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:19 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


It's interesting, overtly political themes in artistic expression generally come from the left, or the libertarian slant of things.

I enjoyed 'American Beauty', though part of that was cynical amusement at the intensely liberal worldview being recreated - a bit like a liberal man's wet dream... I also liked 'The Spy who Came in from the Cold', the novel by John le Carre (haven't seen the film), though I've despised some of his later stuff.


Heads should roll

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Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:03 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
I also liked 'The Spy who Came in from the Cold', the novel by John le Carre (haven't seen the film)

The movie "The Constant Gardner" is awesome, if somewhat unsettling.


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Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:44 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

The movie "The Constant Gardner" is awesome, if somewhat unsettling.


One of the things I didn't like... Basically I see it as viewing a dark and sad situation through as dark and damning a lens as possible. My own opinion but in general I think left-wing anger in art sometimes goes beyond righteous anger into something else, less reflective of reality/truth (what art should be) and more self indulgent.

A good example (if you will permit an example from music) I think is 'Cortez the killer' by Neil Young; actually a very good song - about the leader of the Spanish conquistadors and his conquering of the indigenous aztecs who are depicted thus:

"And the women all were beautiful
And the men stood straight and strong
They offered life in sacrifice
So that others could go on.

Hate was just a legend
And war was never known
The people worked together..."

Hmm. The actual historical reality of the aztecs and the fall of their civilisation is still quite tragic, but I'm afraid Neil Young here just takes righteous anger to ridiculous, self-indulgent levels.

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Sunday, June 28, 2009 5:17 PM

CHRISISALL


You make a good point IMO.


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Monday, June 29, 2009 11:44 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Well this isn't a film exactly, but the book 1632 by Eric Flint has quite a few libertarian elements to it. While I don't agree with all of the libertarian doctrine, the book itself is really enjoyable, and has a killer finish.

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:42 AM

COZEN


[ whiny rant ]Huh. Triumph of the Will was completely ignored.

I wonder if that speaks to a willful ignorance, in terms of ignoring that which effects our shallow consumerist ids, for fear of finding out, um... that we have shallow ids. Or maybe some of us simply don't have the time to consider the implications of each and every post that's been replied to, eh?

It's worth a view. Here, I'll help: http://tinyurl.com/ljkvtd

vid length = 1:50:30 As mentioned above, no film/psychology/advertising student completes a curriculum without viewing this masterpiece.

[ /whiny rant ]




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Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:58 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Excellent choice, Deepgirl.

There's certain points of it which don't jibe with my philosophy neither, but it's a right good yarn.

If you liked that though, and from my impression of you, I highly suggest "With the Lightnings" by David Drake, available at the Baen Free Library.

I have the first three books of that, and found it an excellent tale, and in addition the characterisations and social dynamics are well represented, very realistic, and intriguing as well.

While I don't have so many movie suggestions offhand, there's two Anime series on the extreme liberal/anarchist end which are quite enjoyable.

The Irresponsible Captain Tylor.
Scrapped Princess.

The latter has some interesting explorations about perception, right and wrong, as well as beliefs and how they affect us.

-F

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I just KNEW from the subject title who started this thread.





The T.Rex they call JANE!


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Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:29 PM

CHRISISALL


I like RAMBO! Yep. I own it.


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Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:33 PM

DEEPGIRL187


I finally saw a movie that I think will fit the criteria. Terry Gilliam's Brazil has some libertarian themes in it as well, though it is from a more British perspective (and ironically, Gilliam was born in the States).

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by gripper:
Anyone mention "MInority Report"yet??The whole "pre-crime" investigative/enforcement arm sound slike astatist/control freak's wet dream-so althoug I am more than a little right wing(libertarian conservative type)I could see it as damning BOTH houses-think"hate crimes"/Napolitano's "potential terrorist"crap bouncing off of the governmental machinery empowered my nominal conservatives....We all know the road that good intentions paves,right???
Speaking of "Red Dawn"-who WAS the Spetnaz/desantnikiye type that was sent in to hunt down Patrick Swayze's character towards the end???Tall guy,pockmanrked;slightly Mongol type cheek bones???Use to see him in a variety of tough guy roles....



I disagree. Minority Report is looney lefty liberal utopia, exposed in the film as the rot it is without unduly offending the liberals who fund films. Freedom and liberty are the goals and hallmakrs of conservatives, while mind control and thought monitoring are the holy grails of the looney lefty liberals.

In Red Dawn, I assume yu are referring to William Smith, or maybe it's William K Smith, or similar. He's been in many roles, some of them protagonist, but often the villianous roles are more memorable in films. His early stereotyping was of Harley riders, Hell's Angels, Biker gang types.

I looked at this thread, but the thread starter began by inferring Demolition Man was not obviously ridiculing the looney lefty liberals, so this seemed destined for the surreal world, and I departed.

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Friday, July 24, 2009 8:55 AM

GRIPPER


Thanks!He was definitely a great character actor.

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Friday, July 24, 2009 9:55 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

I looked at this thread, but the thread starter began by inferring Demolition Man was not obviously ridiculing the looney lefty liberals, so this seemed destined for the surreal world, and I departed.

When did I say THAT???
Of COURSE it's main target is the left's "political correctness', and it did a DAMN fine job of blowing it out of the water- I just said that there were many pokes at conservative thinking (as long as you can't just say no to premarital sex, at least put a computer between you ) as well, so for ME, it's hard to pin it down as strictly right or left.


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Saturday, July 25, 2009 12:04 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Of COURSE it's main target is the left's "political correctness', and it did a DAMN fine job of blowing it out of the water- I just said that there were many pokes at conservative thinking (as long as you can't just say no to premarital sex, at least put a computer between you ) as well, so for ME, it's hard to pin it down as strictly right or left.


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I agree. Political correctness is set up like bowling pins and shot down to the point where they revive a "neanderthal" to restore order in their precious society. Although it is rather ambigious because the rich and powerful were the very liberals that the film was ridiculing. It has been my experience that the majority of richfolk are not liberals, but conserves (including ultra-cons) that lean heavily toward the status quo - you know, the rich get richer - and that many times means control of mass production, and by association, control of the masses.

To that end; saw something very interesting on the History Channel the other day regarding control of the weather. Yes, you heard right. HAARP, on the History Channel. The Episode was on That's Impossible: Weather Warfare, and it's scheduled to air Sat., July 25th 4 p.m. as well.

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Saturday, July 25, 2009 12:19 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Freedom and liberty are the goals and hallmakrs of conservatives, while mind control and thought monitoring are the holy grails of the looney lefty liberals.



Oy, you can't even talk movies without bustin out the crazy, can ya?


Quote:

I looked at this thread, but the thread starter began by inferring Demolition Man was not obviously ridiculing the looney lefty liberals, so this seemed destined for the surreal world, and I departed.


No, you threw a little tirade, and then departed.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Saturday, July 25, 2009 12:41 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


The Conversation
Joe
Robin Hood
Days of Heaven
First Blood
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
V for Vendetta
The Wizard of Oz

Planet of the Apes
Red Dawn
Transformers II
Death Wish
Gunga Din
Saving Private Ryan

SGG



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Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
The Conversation
Joe
Robin Hood
Days of Heaven
First Blood
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
V for Vendetta
The Wizard of Oz

Planet of the Apes
Red Dawn
Transformers II
Death Wish
Gunga Din
Saving Private Ryan

SGG


Ummm. Which of those is the rightist, and which the leftist, as you see them?

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Monday, July 27, 2009 4:07 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

Ummm. Which of those is the rightist, and which the leftist, as you see them?

Looks like a mix to me, but then I see Firefly as leaning slightly to the left, so what do I know?


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Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:28 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


First group lefty leaning.
Second group righty tighty.

IMHO.

SGG

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Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:40 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
First group lefty leaning.
Second group righty tighty.


First Blood has some righty parts & Planet Of The Apes has some (definitely) lefty parts. In fact, I love the presentation of opposing viewpoints in the same movie! Ambiguous is cool in my book.


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Monday, August 3, 2009 2:46 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yep, agreed. People are going to see what they want to see. At least this way the movie let's you make the call rather than beat you over the head with a particular point of view. That's one of the reasons why I was totally blown away by Watchmen.

SGG

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:02 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
That's one of the reasons why I was totally blown away by Watchmen.


Watchmen rocks on a level hertofore unknown to mortal man IMO.


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