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Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:05 PM

CHRISISALL


"The Matrix?"
It worked okay in the theatre, but on my TV it just looks like everyone's going Bruce Banner.
Can we get an obnoxious tint-free version, like on the menu?


The visually irritated Chrisisall

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Friday, February 19, 2010 12:05 AM

SIGMANUNKI


If it's really annoying you that much, here's a solution:

1) Rip the DVD
2) Run the files through a filter to negate the green-ness
3) a) Burn the "fixed" copy to DVD and enjoy
b) Watch it on your computer

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Friday, February 19, 2010 2:36 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Funny you should mention that.

Was discussing the horrors of User-Prohibit-Flag.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UserOperationProhibitFlag
With a couple DefCon Geeks a couple days ago.

And one of em landed THIS in my mailbox this morning.


I wish I knew who to credit for it, cause that's pure genius.

-F

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Friday, February 19, 2010 4:15 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


That is hysterical! I make a lot of my own DVD's, burning them directly from Dish Network cable to my DVD recorder. They're great, and I never have to go thru those menus and warnings and hype. I just I go immediately right to the movie when I want to watch.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 4:43 AM

ZEEK


Can't you just hit the "menu" or "root" button on your remote and skip all that junk? Over the past holidays my step dad was complaining about just this type of thing and when I said to just skip it with the menu or root button he refused to try it. He just kept showing how the skip forward button did nothing and that all he could do was fast forward. Uh...ok if you refuse to learn so be it.

I watch all my DVDs on my mythtv computer and the root menu select skips past the previews just fine.

Oh and voting with your wallet is fine. As long as they mean just don't buy the DVD. If they mean don't buy the DVD and then go out and pirate it, then it's not cool. You can't just take the product you want cause you don't like the packaging.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 4:53 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

"The Matrix?"
It worked okay in the theatre, but on my TV it just looks like everyone's going Bruce Banner.
Can we get an obnoxious tint-free version, like on the menu



Yes I'm with you on this one Chris - They just didn't know when to leave the levels alone. Stylization gone a tad too far.


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Friday, February 19, 2010 5:39 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
"The Matrix?"
It worked okay in the theatre, but on my TV it just looks like everyone's going Bruce Banner.
Can we get an obnoxious tint-free version, like on the menu?


The visually irritated Chrisisall



I'm sorry to say Chris that I had the same reaction to the BLUES in Serenity. There must be a color knob that post production people feel they have to fiddle with.

I agree with TS - style overload.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 5:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
That is hysterical! I make a lot of my own DVD's, burning them directly from Dish Network cable to my DVD recorder. They're great, and I never have to go thru those menus and warnings and hype. I just I go immediately right to the movie when I want to watch.



Yup, I do the same. I invested in a DVD recorder with a 160Gb hard drive, so I can save them up, edit out commercials, put 4 episodes on a disk, etc.

The downside is that it only burns at 480p resolution, so it's gotten to be a serious downgrade from just watching hi-def shows off the DVR.

I'm holding out for a Blu-Ray burner with hard drive, or thinking of just putting together a Mac-based mediacenter...

Mike

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Friday, February 19, 2010 6:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And back to the issue at hand, I'm not bugged by the greenish tint of The Matrix. At least, of all the things that bug me about that movie, that's the LEAST of my problems with it. The sequels are probably my BIGGEST gripe.

I just see the greenish tint as part of the filmmaker's overall vision for the look of the film, much as I do the overall BLUE tint in Mel Gibson's "Payback". It doesn't detract from the movie; it helps set the mood.

Mike

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Friday, February 19, 2010 6:39 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And back to the issue at hand, I'm not bugged by the greenish tint of The Matrix. At least, of all the things that bug me about that movie, that's the LEAST of my problems with it. The sequels are probably my BIGGEST gripe.

I just see the greenish tint as part of the filmmaker's overall vision for the look of the film, much as I do the overall BLUE tint in Mel Gibson's "Payback". It doesn't detract from the movie; it helps set the mood.

Matrix had not one but two colors so you could subconsciously know reality from simulation. "... the film's production design placed a bias towards its distinctive green color for scenes set within the Matrix, whereas there is an emphasis on the color blue during the scenes set in the real world." - http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/The_Matrix

There is David Chalmers’ paper “The Matrix as Metaphysics”. http://consc.net/papers/matrix.html The key takeaway point is that various hypotheses (maybe the world is a holograph, maybe the world is a computer-simulation, maybe the world is someone’s hallucination) are often presented as skeptical hypotheses when we should probably think of them as metaphysical instead. In other words, instead of saying “everything we thought we knew about the world is wrong and it’s all fake!” we could just say “aha, this is an interesting new fact.” After all, at one point it was determined that what we thought we knew about solid objects was all wrong. Solid objects, it turned out, aren’t actually solid at all—they’re made up of atoms, and the atoms are composed of protons and neutrons and electrons and are actually mostly empty space.

But people didn’t run around freaking out at the discovery that the world is fake and actually it’s all just a bunch of empty space. Instead, we learned that molecules are made of atoms and atoms are made of protons and neutrons and electrons. Further discoveries about the nature of sub-atomic particles are, similarly, interesting and important scientific discoveries but they’re not taken to somehow debunk our previous knowledge of the existence of macroscopic objects. Similarly, if subatomic particles are “really” a reflection from a different 2D surface I think the important thing is to take the revelation in stride, as we have a whole series of scientific revelations about the nature of matter. - http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/02/is-the-universe-a-h
ologram-should-we-care.php


The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, February 19, 2010 7:35 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Funny you should mention that.

Was discussing the horrors of User-Prohibit-Flag.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UserOperationProhibitFlag
With a couple DefCon Geeks a couple days ago.

And one of em landed THIS in my mailbox this morning.


I wish I knew who to credit for it, cause that's pure genius.

-F



Genius? Really? Pretty weak to me.
This just reads as a sad attempt at rationalizing piracy - And I say that AS a pirate. I can't stand dudes who steal and try to pretend that's not what they're doing.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 19, 2010 7:37 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
"The Matrix?"
It worked okay in the theatre, but on my TV it just looks like everyone's going Bruce Banner.
Can we get an obnoxious tint-free version, like on the menu?


The visually irritated Chrisisall



Which version are you watching? The original DVD is less green. They later ones, either from the Boxed set, or the 10th anniversary release have been tinted more green to gel with the sequels.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 19, 2010 7:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by two:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And back to the issue at hand, I'm not bugged by the greenish tint of The Matrix. At least, of all the things that bug me about that movie, that's the LEAST of my problems with it. The sequels are probably my BIGGEST gripe.

I just see the greenish tint as part of the filmmaker's overall vision for the look of the film, much as I do the overall BLUE tint in Mel Gibson's "Payback". It doesn't detract from the movie; it helps set the mood.

Matrix had not one but two colors so you could subconsciously know reality from simulation. "... the film's production design placed a bias towards its distinctive green color for scenes set within the Matrix, whereas there is an emphasis on the color blue during the scenes set in the real world." - http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/The_Matrix

There is David Chalmers’ paper “The Matrix as Metaphysics”. http://consc.net/papers/matrix.html The key takeaway point is that various hypotheses (maybe the world is a holograph, maybe the world is a computer-simulation, maybe the world is someone’s hallucination) are often presented as skeptical hypotheses when we should probably think of them as metaphysical instead. In other words, instead of saying “everything we thought we knew about the world is wrong and it’s all fake!” we could just say “aha, this is an interesting new fact.” After all, at one point it was determined that what we thought we knew about solid objects was all wrong. Solid objects, it turned out, aren’t actually solid at all—they’re made up of atoms, and the atoms are composed of protons and neutrons and electrons and are actually mostly empty space.

But people didn’t run around freaking out at the discovery that the world is fake and actually it’s all just a bunch of empty space. Instead, we learned that molecules are made of atoms and atoms are made of protons and neutrons and electrons. Further discoveries about the nature of sub-atomic particles are, similarly, interesting and important scientific discoveries but they’re not taken to somehow debunk our previous knowledge of the existence of macroscopic objects. Similarly, if subatomic particles are “really” a reflection from a different 2D surface I think the important thing is to take the revelation in stride, as we have a whole series of scientific revelations about the nature of matter. - http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/02/is-the-universe-a-h
ologram-should-we-care.php


The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two



Two, thanks for that analysis. It's one more piece to wrap our heads around, as you've pointed out. :)

To me, the "green" parts of the film have the feel of being in a prison, psych ward, hospital, etc. - they have a distinct "institutionalized" feel to them, as well they should, given the context of the film and the premise of what "the matrix" is.

Mike

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Friday, February 19, 2010 8:54 AM

STORYMARK


Oh, and just a s a matter of curiosity - they didn't add green. They subtracted blue.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 11:08 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:


Which version are you watching?

The original.
Later versions are MORE green??
I disliked the blue + overexposure in Minority Report also. It's okay for a scene (Like in flashbacks in Out Of Gas, or strange planets like Miranda or in Pitch Black) , but a WHOLE MOVIE??



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Friday, February 19, 2010 11:21 AM

STORYMARK


Yup. Newer one are more green.

Doesn't bother me, though, not the degree to which they do it. I like a stylized color pallet.

There are plenty of movies that go too far with the color correction, but I never felt that this was one of them.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 19, 2010 11:38 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Btw, the green-over did bug me too - as did that crap, so I pretty much did what Sigma suggested, along with cutting out a lot of that crapola as well.

Problem with that is the idea that the DMCA makes it illegal to do that even to a DVD you paid for and own, which is kind of ridiculous, innit ?

That'd be like a cereal company suing you for pouring your rice krispies in a sealable plastic container to keep them fresh longer, it's just asinine, and gets in the way of enjoying your own stuff in the manner you desire.

Which was kinda the point of it - if you really wanted an example that damn near justifies piracy, look up StarForce and SecuROM protection... ick.

Back in the days of VHS, adding Macrovision to some tapes made them unplayable, or at least all but unwatchable, in many VCRs, I remember when I was much younger the local rental company had a serious tiff with the supplier when their copies of the original Star Wars Trilogy couldn't be rented cause they looked so awful cause of that.

Anyhows, I dunno if it's possible to do a software based output filter on a DVD without stepping on any legal toes, but if you wanna filter colors, one could ask around in the open source community, cause as noted, The Matrix isn't the only DVD with a color balance some folk find a bit screwy, so obviously there's a demand for such a thing.

-F

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Friday, February 19, 2010 12:07 PM

STORYMARK


Just play with the color on the TV. Same difference essentially.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 19, 2010 1:21 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Just play with the color on the TV. Same difference essentially.


You mean, push the tint control all the way left for the Matrix scenes, then back to center for the real world scenes?

Nah, I just watch it with the colour at half.


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Friday, February 19, 2010 1:50 PM

RUGBUG


I'll have to re-watch and see if the green stands out. Have to say that thinking back, it didnt bother me the last time I watched it.

Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Problem with that is the idea that the DMCA makes it illegal to do that even to a DVD you paid for and own, which is kind of ridiculous, innit ?

That'd be like a cereal company suing you for pouring your rice krispies in a sealable plastic container to keep them fresh longer, it's just asinine,



Um, kind not. Now, if putting the cereal in a sealable plastic container also meant you had another whole box of cereal to give away if you chose, well, then yea...you'd have a analogy that worked. ;) I'm pretty sure that's the issue. What do you do with the original copy now that you've put it into a format you prefer? Let it take up space on your shelf or give it away (maybe even sell it?)

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Friday, February 19, 2010 2:01 PM

TRAVELER


What would Kermit say.


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