OTHER SCIENCE FICTION SERIES

What Trek other than the Original Series does not suck?

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Friday, June 25, 2010 1:20 PM

CHRISISALL


Just curious as to opinions on this.

In MY opinion, TOS is the one & true only Trek (agreeing with Bruce Campbell here); the movies are interesting, the other series are a cool distraction, and the JJ flick totally missed the mark of what it could have been (but I own it nonetheless).

Thoughts?



The phaser-locked Chrisisall



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Friday, June 25, 2010 2:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


What do you mean "other than"...?


[ducking and covering]

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Friday, June 25, 2010 2:13 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


[ducking and covering]



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Friday, June 25, 2010 2:29 PM

CYBERSNARK


Deep Space Nine. That station is "home" for me in a way even Serenity can't manage (Serenity is like a rambling old house, but DS9 is like a whole town).

Of course, the best Trek (inclusive of TOS) has always been the novels. TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, Lost Era, New Frontier, Corps of Engineers, I.K.S. Gorkon, Klingon Empire, Titan, Mirror Universe --all of them regularly blow every TV series out of space. Trek works in prose in a way it never could on TV, and not just because of the budgets/actors/effects.

Part of what made the original Trek so groundbreaking was that it was trying to do large-scale, character-driven "novel-like" science-fiction (which has always been a "niche" product) on television (which has always been as "common denominator" as it can be). Original Trek did for sci-fi what Harry Potter is doing for fantasy; introducing it to people who had never seen anything like it before. Remember how Roddenberry had to fight to get what he wanted? Remember Number One (a female first officer), and how the networks forced him to choose between her and "the alien" (two concepts that they were certain wouldn't fly).

That's why TOS only lasted three seasons. It was new, it was daring, it was literally going where no man had gone before.

The problem with TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT was that they weren't daring. They tried, from time-to-time (and DS9 succeeded more than it failed), but at the end of the day, they were all playing by the rules. They could be daring, but not too daring.

Prose Trek lets us see Trek written by people who know science, and who aren't being watched over by network censors and culture-police.

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Friday, June 25, 2010 2:52 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:

Prose Trek lets us see Trek written by people who know science, and who aren't being watched over by network censors and culture-police.


I will certainly now explore the novels, being fascinated by John Byrne's recent comic foray.


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Friday, June 25, 2010 3:06 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:

Of course, the best Trek (inclusive of TOS) has always been the novels.

Umm, could I get a list of good OS novels from you? If you have the time, that is.


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Friday, June 25, 2010 3:16 PM

BRIGLAD


Our very own ScrewtheAlliance is a published Trek author. Surak is the title I believe.


Brian


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Friday, June 25, 2010 10:07 PM

CALHOUN


All Trek beats "I married a stranger", "Desperate Housewives" and just about every other piece garbage on TV.

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Saturday, June 26, 2010 12:08 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I've said before that I like ALL the tv Star Treks. Some more than others, but the characters in all of them are at least somewhat beloved to me, and some are quite beloved. The Trek series all have their own fair share of great episodes, some more than others. Purchasing many of the themed Trek DVD's, where all the Treks are included within the package, has only strengthened those feelings.

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Saturday, June 26, 2010 1:22 AM

LWAVES


After the OS for me it would be the OS movies.
They definitely don't suck IMO although some are better than others but all are better than what followed.

I also liked DS9 from about season 3 onwards. It was darker and tried to be different than the other Trek shows. The Dominion War was a great ongoing plot and this show had some of the best side characters out of all the shows (Garak, Quark and Weyoun mainly).

I only ever caught bits of TNG (mainly the Borg episodes) because it usually bored me and I couldn't bear to watch the criminally bad acting by a couple of the cast. Same for TNG movies. I have DVDS of them because I'm a bit of a completist but I've only seen them once or twice for the same reasons as the TV series.

Voyager was basically TOS/TNG in reverse (going home instead of going out there. It had some good episodes but a lot of bad. And I may be in the minority but I preffered Kes to Seven.

Enterprise was a bit of a travesty. Again it had some good moments but overall it kinda sucked. One of the main things that kept me watching was that I kept hoping it would get better. Plus Dominic Keating is from my home town.

JJ Abrams movie really wowed me over. I was in the camp that thought any new Trek was dead. And then when they announced that the new movie was rebooting TOS cast I thought it was sacrilege, it would be a joke of a movie. But gradually as the cast emerged and the actors came together I thought they had something and they did. It worked despite it's few faults. It turned out to be a great modern action movie and a fine example of how to breathe life into an old format.
Having said that because it's an AU story I have to kind of keep it seperate from the rest or too many glaring discrepancies pop up between the universes. I know these are what some people don't like about the new movie but that's why it's an AU story - anything can change, anything can stay the same.

Overall they are all watchable to varying degrees, it's why they have such a following and fans of each incarnation. But the TV shows did go on too long. They started a new one before the last had finished and people seemed to get fed up of it IMO. Me included.



"The greatest invention ever is not the wheel. It's the second wheel." - Rich Hall

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Saturday, June 26, 2010 3:27 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


TOS is still my favorite, although there are parts of other series and the films that I like as well.

TNG was pretty bad for at least half of its run, but got better in the last couple of seasons. The main problem was the "reset" button was used too frequently, not much character development, and a general PC attitude.

I liked DS9 more from the beginning, and I did appreciate its more bold ventures into darker territory, but unlike someone above posted, I started to lose interest during the Dominion War arc. I felt they were getting too close to Babylon 5 territory with that.

I rarely watched Voyager, because at the time there was no UPN affiliate where I lived. The few times I did watch I was not very impressed, although I did like Kate Mulgrew as Janeway.

I lost interest in Enterprise very early and didn't look back.

Of the TOS films, TMP is highly underrated, Wrath of Khan is highly overrated (although still good), I don't care if I never see #s 3 & 5 again, and Voyage Home was too cutesy for my taste. The Undiscovered Country is my favorite.

Generations was a waste of time, First Contact was very good although it went against canon from TOS. The trailers for both Insurrection and Nemesis led me to believe I would not like them so I still have never seen them.

Jar Jar Abrams' Trek was a colossal waste of my time and money even though I saw it at a matinee. Never want to see it again.



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Saturday, June 26, 2010 7:24 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Umm, could I get a list of good OS novels from you? If you have the time, that is.



Well, I'm not much of a TOS fan (I joined the fandom with TNG), but I've heard good things about these, though they're not technically TOS:
Vanguard (same time as TOS, but a different crew)
-Harbinger
-Summon the Thunder
-Reap the Whirlwind
-Open Secrets
-Precipice
-Declassified (upcoming, 2011)

New Earth (after TMP)
-Wagon Train to the Stars
-Belle Terre
-Rough Trails
-The Flaming Arrow
-Thin Air
-Challenger

Vulcan's _(noun)_ (Spock's life before and after TOS)
-Vulcan's Glory (pre-Enterprise)
-Vulcan's Forge (after Kirk's death)
-Vulcan's Heart
-Vulcan's Soul (trilogy)
--Exodus
--Exiles
--Epiphany

There's also the Eugenics Wars trilogy (The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh, Vols 1 & 2, and To Reign in Hell: the Exile of Khan Noonien Singh), but the first two books are Khan on Earth, and the third takes place after "Space Seed."

I enjoyed Sorrows of Empire, but it's a mirror-universe tale of how Spock rises to the throne and destroys the Terran Empire from within (and which ties into the ongoing Mirror Universe Saga).

You may get more from the Errand of. . . series (set during the first season):
Errand of Vengeance
-The Edge of the Sword
-Killing Blow
-River of Blood
Errand of Fury
-Seeds of Rage
-Demands of Honor
-Sacrifices of War

Then there's Section 31: Cloak, and Gateways: Book One: One Small Step/Gateways: One Giant Leap (the latter is a novella, released as part of book seven of the Gateways crossover), but those are both part of multi-series crossovers.

Mere Anarchy was an e-book series, but is now available in omnibus. It spans the entire original series timeframe (from before "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to after Kirk's death in Generations). There's also Constellations, an anthology of short stories for the 40th Anniversary.

Christopher Bennett's Ex Machina is universally loved, but it's another post-TMP story (though one that touches back to a TOS episode).

Forged in Fire is about Sulu's first adventure on the Excelsior (and how he became Captain), Kang, Kor, and Koloth, but it actually touches on a DS9 episode (and features Curzon Dax and the Albino). Then there's The Captain's Daughter, which focuses on Hikaru and Demora Sulu (you'll want to read this before the Lost Era, since there are spoilers afoot).

You may also want to check out the Lost Era books; they're not so much a "series" as a bunch of self-contained novels that span the time frame between end of the movie era (usually measured as Kirk's "death" aboard the Enterprise-B in Generations) and the beginning of TNG.
-The Sundered (Captain Sulu on the Excelsior, and including Chekov, Rand, and a passel of novelverse characters.)
-Serpents Among the Ruins (the final mission of Captain Harriman on the Enterprise-B, as he deals with the Tomed Incident.)
-The Art of the Impossible (Nyota Uhura, Curzon Dax, Ian Troi, and Mogh in a Klingon/Cardassian cold war.)
-Well of Souls (the Enterprise-C, featuring Dr. McCoy and some gratuitous Cardassians.)
-Deny Thy Father (Kyle Riker's career ends, Will Riker's career begins, and McCoy still can't retire.)
-The Catalyst of Sorrows (the latter years of Nyota Uhura's career, and the early years of Ben Sisko's.)
-The Buried Age (Picard's life between losing the Stargazer and taking command of the Enterprise-D).

I'm also fond of The Brave and the Bold duology, which spans the five TV series (the TOS "episode" is in Book 1, but Spock and McCoy also show up during the finale in Book 2).

And it's not TOS-era (though Scotty is a major recurring character), but since you and Sonisall both appear to be tech fans, I'd recommend SCE/Corps of Engineers (the same series; they just changed the imprint halfway through). It's heavily character-driven, and follows the crew of the USS daVinci: an entire ship handed over to the Starfleet Corps of Engineers. They're the ones who have to deal with unknown alien technology, intractable science problems, and occasionally rewriting the laws of physics. There's a lot of technobabble, but it's written by people who know real science, so it's based around real-world technical jargon. It also reads the most like a TV series; SCE started out as a series of e-novellas available online (they've since been released in paperback omnibus editions). Because the novellas are so short and written by a rotating "stable" of writers, it really feels like a series of self-contained episodes: http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Starfleet_Corps_of_Engine
ers


There's also some new TOS fiction coming out next year (A Choice of Catastrophes, Cast No Shadows, but I don't know much about them yet).

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Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:08 AM

WHOZIT


TNG was great, they seemed to milk it atfer that. I'll wait B4 I pass jugment on this new generation.

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Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:31 AM

OPPYH


TOS A+ Plenty of exploration, great iconic characters, a sense of wonderment that can't be duplicated.

TNG B+ Fantastic stories, well rounded.

DS9 B The exploration aspect is missing therefore I can't whole heartedly recommend this series.

Voyager C Needs help. Caught up in horror stories, and techno babble. See me after class.

Enterprise C-Works well with others, but has a nasty habit of trying to change history.

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Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:21 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


TOS was groundbreaking, the SFX are now seen as dated and rudimentary, awaiting the advances of Star Wars and ILM, which themselves were spawned by TOS. Although a mere veneer for the lame allegories to peace, love, the Vietnam War, it still launched scifi as a viable genre in Hollywood. It did manage to avoid the interjection of the lame music of the time, which helps keep only the SFX as the most dated portion of the production.
The nearest I felt approached that level was Voyager. The others were simplistic soap operas masquerading as scifi. Like Titanic was merely the location of a fictional love story, scifi was merely the location of the stale old stories retold in these other series.
Voyager was on their own, like TOS, not just waiting for the reinforcements to come along. Voyager was encountering Strange NEW worlds, NEW civilizations, boldly blazing a new path where no man had been before.

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Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:49 AM

TRAVELER


I liked the last series. They dropped the techno babble to solve their problems and started using their minds. I also like how the Vulcans treated the would-be explorers of the galaxy. It was not warm and fuzzy like I thought it would be. It made for some interesting episodes. On that note I will say I did not like the third season. The on-going storyline got to be a drag.


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Saturday, June 26, 2010 1:30 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by lwaves:
=
JJ Abrams movie really wowed me over.

Eh, I liked it enough to buy it, and I thought it worked for the most part, but the gorram nacelles are too close together!
JJ!!! Straighten out those ruttin' pylons for the next flick, ayah???


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Saturday, June 26, 2010 1:32 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Umm, could I get a list of good OS novels from you? If you have the time, that is.



Well, I'm not much of a TOS fan (I joined the fandom with TNG), but I've heard good things about these, though they're not technically TOS:
Vanguard (same time as TOS, but a different crew)
-Harbinger
-Summon the Thunder
-Reap the Whirlwind
-Open Secrets
-Precipice
-Declassified (upcoming, 2011)

New Earth (after TMP)
-Wagon Train to the Stars
-Belle Terre
-Rough Trails
-The Flaming Arrow
-Thin Air
-Challenger

Vulcan's _(noun)_ (Spock's life before and after TOS)
-Vulcan's Glory (pre-Enterprise)
-Vulcan's Forge (after Kirk's death)
-Vulcan's Heart
-Vulcan's Soul (trilogy)
--Exodus
--Exiles
--Epiphany

There's also the Eugenics Wars trilogy (The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh, Vols 1 & 2, and To Reign in Hell: the Exile of Khan Noonien Singh), but the first two books are Khan on Earth, and the third takes place after "Space Seed."

I enjoyed Sorrows of Empire, but it's a mirror-universe tale of how Spock rises to the throne and destroys the Terran Empire from within (and which ties into the ongoing Mirror Universe Saga).

You may get more from the Errand of. . . series (set during the first season):
Errand of Vengeance
-The Edge of the Sword
-Killing Blow
-River of Blood
Errand of Fury
-Seeds of Rage
-Demands of Honor
-Sacrifices of War

Then there's Section 31: Cloak, and Gateways: Book One: One Small Step/Gateways: One Giant Leap (the latter is a novella, released as part of book seven of the Gateways crossover), but those are both part of multi-series crossovers.

Mere Anarchy was an e-book series, but is now available in omnibus. It spans the entire original series timeframe (from before "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to after Kirk's death in Generations). There's also Constellations, an anthology of short stories for the 40th Anniversary.

Christopher Bennett's Ex Machina is universally loved, but it's another post-TMP story (though one that touches back to a TOS episode).

Forged in Fire is about Sulu's first adventure on the Excelsior (and how he became Captain), Kang, Kor, and Koloth, but it actually touches on a DS9 episode (and features Curzon Dax and the Albino). Then there's The Captain's Daughter, which focuses on Hikaru and Demora Sulu (you'll want to read this before the Lost Era, since there are spoilers afoot).

You may also want to check out the Lost Era books; they're not so much a "series" as a bunch of self-contained novels that span the time frame between end of the movie era (usually measured as Kirk's "death" aboard the Enterprise-B in Generations) and the beginning of TNG.
-The Sundered (Captain Sulu on the Excelsior, and including Chekov, Rand, and a passel of novelverse characters.)
-Serpents Among the Ruins (the final mission of Captain Harriman on the Enterprise-B, as he deals with the Tomed Incident.)
-The Art of the Impossible (Nyota Uhura, Curzon Dax, Ian Troi, and Mogh in a Klingon/Cardassian cold war.)
-Well of Souls (the Enterprise-C, featuring Dr. McCoy and some gratuitous Cardassians.)
-Deny Thy Father (Kyle Riker's career ends, Will Riker's career begins, and McCoy still can't retire.)
-The Catalyst of Sorrows (the latter years of Nyota Uhura's career, and the early years of Ben Sisko's.)
-The Buried Age (Picard's life between losing the Stargazer and taking command of the Enterprise-D).

I'm also fond of The Brave and the Bold duology, which spans the five TV series (the TOS "episode" is in Book 1, but Spock and McCoy also show up during the finale in Book 2).

And it's not TOS-era (though Scotty is a major recurring character), but since you and Sonisall both appear to be tech fans, I'd recommend SCE/Corps of Engineers (the same series; they just changed the imprint halfway through). It's heavily character-driven, and follows the crew of the USS daVinci: an entire ship handed over to the Starfleet Corps of Engineers. They're the ones who have to deal with unknown alien technology, intractable science problems, and occasionally rewriting the laws of physics. There's a lot of technobabble, but it's written by people who know real science, so it's based around real-world technical jargon. It also reads the most like a TV series; SCE started out as a series of e-novellas available online (they've since been released in paperback omnibus editions). Because the novellas are so short and written by a rotating "stable" of writers, it really feels like a series of self-contained episodes: http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Starfleet_Corps_of_Engine
ers


There's also some new TOS fiction coming out next year (A Choice of Catastrophes, Cast No Shadows, but I don't know much about them yet).

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

WOW, thanks, C!!!!!


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Saturday, June 26, 2010 1:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
I liked the last series.

I hear good things about the fourth season. I stopped watching... well, I *never* watched it actually.
But I WILL pick up season four at the right price.


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Saturday, June 26, 2010 2:27 PM

TRAVELER


That was my big mistake. After I lost interest with season three of "Enterprise" and I did not return. Now I wish I had.


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Saturday, June 26, 2010 3:39 PM

TRAVELER




All the Star Trek series would have been improved with funky purple hair.


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Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:13 PM

CHRISISALL


I agree!!!!


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Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:13 PM

PSYKOTEK1


I loved tos
then tng came out
the first season was Gene redoing a l,ot of old plots
then it tookk off in season 3
and I liked it the best

to be fair I worked nights and couldn't keep up with ds9 and voyager
enterprise was BS loved the vulcan chick


but for true SIFI check out Babylon 5

I like the story
and like his current work in comics



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Saturday, June 26, 2010 6:14 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Psykotek1:

then tng came out
the first season was Gene redoing a lot of old plots
then it took off in season 3
and I liked it the best



I can Reach!


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Sunday, June 27, 2010 6:08 AM

CORNCOBB


I love the next Generation for it's mythic quality, it is now a genuine classic. To me, TOS and TNG are both true Trek. Deep Space Nine is my personal favourite. I think it was one of the best tv shows ever made. But it wasn't very Star trek, it stamped out it's own identity. Voyager and Enterprise were enjoyable diversions, but never felt like true Star Trek. IMO they lacked the quality and substance of the previous shows.
I haven't seen the JJ Abrahms film yet. I hesitate to judge it before watching, but I can't help it. It looks awaful. Much too Hollywood. Everything I hear about it makes me cringe. Even when people are singing it's praises (as most people do) the details they praise just sound dreadful to me. I'm like, 'you think that's one of its good points?'. I will give it a chance eventually.
But it's got that $*(&*% from Heroes in it as Spock

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 7:12 AM

SUASOR


It was pretty good, although some consider it Trek on meth.

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:46 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I enjoyed DS9, although many people barely consider it Trek because it was not true to the ideals of the Great Bird.

Still, the characters were more layered and complex on DS9 than in any other version of Trek. The stories had room for gray areas much of the time. Conflicts were allowed to happen between main characters, and story heroes were allowed to be less than perfect and even make villainous choices from time to time. It was the most adult of the Treks, in my opinion.

--Anthony



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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:53 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I enjoyed DS9
It was the most adult of the Treks, in my opinion.


Maybe it was merely all that nudity...


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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:01 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Heh. Very little nudity, though we did learn that the spots go all the way down.

My affection for DS9 can be boiled down to an episode where the series hero colludes with dark forces to create a lie designed to maneuver a neutral government into war. Then, when that fails, is involved in an assassination of a foreign dignitary in order to salvage the deception and the mission.

If that doesn't sound like Trek, I agree. It was refreshing to see the What If. "What If human beings were still human beings in the Trek universe?"

The answer is: The stories become much more interesting and dynamic.


--Anthony

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:24 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"What If human beings were still human beings in the Trek universe?"

The answer is:

JJ Abrams!


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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:38 PM

CYBERSNARK


I really liked what DS9 added to the Trekverse; the understanding that the Federation is not perfect. . . but that it is a damn sight better than any alternative. Ironically, by showing the Federation's flaws, it made it even more clear why it's worth fighting for.

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:42 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

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Ironically, by showing the Federation's flaws, it made it even more clear why it's worth fighting for.


Good point.


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Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:22 PM

TRAVELER


Hello Chrisisall:

I just finished watching SG1 and got into Star Trek Enterprise. I find myself addicted. Watched three episodes in a row and a total of nine this week. Fortunately I have thrown Brisco County Jr. in there to break away from it, even for just an hour.

The true test is the third season. I was not happy with it and it caused me to stop watching and I hear that I missed a great fourth season of Enterprise. So I will catch it this time around.


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Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:29 PM

CYBERSNARK


Protip: avoid "These Are The Voyages. . ." and use the "Terra Prime" two-parter as the finale.

TATV is mediocre and out of continuity, while Terra Prime is dramatic, emotional, and cuts to the point of what Star Trek has always been (and always will be) about.

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Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:31 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Terra Prime is dramatic, emotional, and cuts to the point of what Star Trek has always been (and always will be) about.

I can't wait to see it!


The laughing Chrisisall


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Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:07 PM

IREMISST


In a room I guessin' is mostly of the masculine, I will stand up for Star Trek for Gals...I watched Voyager well after it was over back when they first started runnin' it on Spike. It helped me get through some rough days. Never wanted to start watchin' it- then couldn't stop. Hated Kess, loved Jeri Ryan. It made me realize wasn't no one gonna save me but me and some days you just gotta stand up and be the hated bitch, and even learn to relish the role...Thank you Cap'n Janeway, for giving me a way to deal with family!



Also, thought it'd be cool to have a Janeway appearance in the FF 'verse, Suck-it-up Captains, and what not?....

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Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:28 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I respectfully submit that Kira Nerys beat Janeway all to hell. Janeway was not even the most effective and admirable female on her own ship.

However, if the character helped you or inspired you, that is a remarkable and special thing.

--Anthony



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Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:33 PM

IREMISST


Yeah, I agree, 7of9 could kick both their asses, and mine, too. I'm strait, but d@mn- I'd think it over for her

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Friday, July 16, 2010 4:16 AM

CYBERSNARK


Seven also tended to get all the best "deadpan snarker" lines.

"Fun will now commence."

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Friday, July 16, 2010 4:54 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I was always partial to DS9, that is until Voyager came along. Although, at times, Kate Mulgrew would be annoying as hell as Captain Janeway. My fav character was Harry Kim. My fav eye-candy was 7of9 (no-brainer).

But I really liked the mythology of DS9 (I'm a sucker for those types of sci-fi. It's why I liked Star Wars so much).

So, my vote: Voyager, then DS9.

Hey Chris, I agree about the new ST. Abrams missed the mark, although I liked how he treated the intros of each character. Not so much for the Romulan storyline. Scotty was awesome, Nimoy was epic. I liked the choice of Chris Pine for Kirk and the Heroes dude for Spock. And Zoe Saldana, how hot is she? First ST and then Avatar. She's on a roll, not to mention she's a babe.

Sorry about the stream-of-consciousness ramblings.


SGG

Tawabawho?

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Friday, July 16, 2010 4:56 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey Kwix,

"tira y tapate"


SGG

Tawabawho?

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Friday, July 16, 2010 5:13 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
Hey Kwix,

"tira y tapate"


SGG

Tawabawho?




Rugs and covers? I like it!



¬°Agach√°ndose y Cubriendo!


At least, according to GoogleTranslate...

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Friday, July 16, 2010 5:35 AM

STORYMARK


Personally, TOS isn't my fav by a long shot. DS9 is still my favorite Trek by far, followed by TNG. I didn't care for Voyager or Enterprise (though it did get pretty cool in season 4), or a few of the movies. JJ's Trek was in my top 3 of Trek films along with Khan and First COntact. Then I'd rank TOS.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, July 16, 2010 5:39 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


7of9 Rules.

I have to say this because aside from DS9's Kira Nyrese (I love strong women in sci-fi - Leia, Kira, Seven, Alice-Resident Evil) Jeri Ryan was a decent enough actress who played Seven to the nines (pun intended).

There is one particular episode, that is a fav from Voyager, that spoke volumes both about the show and Ryan's character: The episode was called "Drone," which aired in season 5; here is a link to the Wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_(Voyager_episode)

There is one other favorite of mine involving another strong female character: B'Elanna Torres.
"Muse," which aired in the 6th season:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muse_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)

I agree that there were times I was disappointed, but those were few and far between.


SGG

Tawabawho?

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Friday, July 16, 2010 5:44 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


"tira y tapate" literally means "throw something, then cover"

Sorta duck & coverish.

As Jayne would say, "sure be nice if we had some grenades."


SGG

Tawabawho?

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Friday, July 16, 2010 5:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
"tira y tapate" literally means "throw something, then cover"

Sorta duck & coverish.

As Jayne would say, "sure be nice if we had some grenades."


SGG

Tawabawho?



Heeheheheheh... that makes more sense. When I typed it in as a google search, it brought back "rugs and covers". Which is ALMOST the same as "throws and covers", if you're thinking of a them as rugs, not as verbs. :)


And here I was thinking I had an idea for a new name for a rug store: "Tira y Tipate". Nope, not quite the same!

Kinda like how "finger puppets" sound okay as a noun; not so much as a verb.

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Friday, July 16, 2010 6:29 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Well, you could consider it if you think of a throw rug, that covers a stain on the floor.

Hee, hee :-)


SGG

Tawabawho?

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Friday, July 16, 2010 8:54 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
JJ's Trek was in my top 3 of Trek films


You didn't mind the nacelles being too close together, or the "neck" being too far back on the secondary hull?



The laughing Chrisisall


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Friday, July 16, 2010 8:59 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
It did manage to avoid the interjection of the lame music of the time, which helps keep only the SFX as the most dated portion of the production.

Can I assume then that you like the new FX on the newly remastered eps?


The laughing Chrisisall


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Friday, July 16, 2010 12:19 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
JJ's Trek was in my top 3 of Trek films


You didn't mind the nacelles being too close together, or the "neck" being too far back on the secondary hull?





Did I let nit picks over ship design spoil my enjoyment of a damned fun movie? Nope.

Besides, I like the design just fine anyway.

But it's okay, I've gotten accustomed to your monthly "TOS rocks so hard, please stop liking the new one" threads.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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