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Read this review of Indy 4 and tell me I'm still the only one that liked it!

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 08:36
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Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:54 PM

CHRISISALL


http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/crystalskullbd.php

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Some have complained that this Indy film is much too silly. The scene most frequently referenced is the funny moment in which Indy survives a nuclear blast by placing himself inside a lead-lined refrigerator. That's absolutely preposterous, certainly. But Indy's inexplicable ability to survive impossible situations is part of what has always endeared him to me. Consider that sequence in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, in which Indy and his friends manage to survive a long plummet from an airplane using an inflatable raft, and then manage to survive yet another enormous drop into a raging river. If a cheap inflatable raft can help someone survive a fall of thousands of feet then a lead-lined fridge can get someone through a nuclear blast. Of course, if you think that both scenes are equally obnoxious, then I simply have no case to make with you. Your view of what an action movie should be is obviously different than mine. But it's frankly hypocritical to attack this film for silliness while defending the other three.



HA!


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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:05 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/crystalskullbd.php

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Some have complained that this Indy film is much too silly. The scene most frequently referenced is the funny moment in which Indy survives a nuclear blast by placing himself inside a lead-lined refrigerator. That's absolutely preposterous, certainly. But Indy's inexplicable ability to survive impossible situations is part of what has always endeared him to me. Consider that sequence in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, in which Indy and his friends manage to survive a long plummet from an airplane using an inflatable raft, and then manage to survive yet another enormous drop into a raging river. If a cheap inflatable raft can help someone survive a fall of thousands of feet then a lead-lined fridge can get someone through a nuclear blast. Of course, if you think that both scenes are equally obnoxious, then I simply have no case to make with you. Your view of what an action movie should be is obviously different than mine. But it's frankly hypocritical to attack this film for silliness while defending the other three.



HA!


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Ah, but a cheap inflatable raft CAN'T save you from a drop at that hight, Mythbusters proved it.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:12 PM

CYBERSNARK


Except that it obviously can because Indy is still alive.

And I've been a fan of Indy 4 since the beginning. Yeah, Lucas' crayon-scribbles on the script were annoying, but enough of Spielberg's magic shone through to justify it.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:14 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Misstressahara:

Ah, but a cheap inflatable raft CAN'T save you from a drop at that hight, Mythbusters proved it.


Did they do it 100X to see? No.
Anything can happen. I've seen some crazy s**t in my time. Some of it I would never have believed possible. I shouldn't even be alive myself right now if you believe in how things *work*.

Heh, Indy 4 rocks, maybe not HARD, but it rocks.



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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:17 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Misstressahara:

Ah, but a cheap inflatable raft CAN'T save you from a drop at that hight, Mythbusters proved it.







Inserting mean, stoic Russians in uniform in place of mean, stoic Germans in uniform from the 1st Jones' movie was about as lame as it gets.

That, and the whole alien skull bit.








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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:20 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Cybersnark:

And I've been a fan of Indy 4 since the beginning.



My ratings:

Raiders- solid freakin' 10

The other three- 8.5

Not bad for a series IMO.

ETA: well, 9 for Crusade because of Connery...


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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:22 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:



Inserting mean, stoic Russians in uniform in place of mean, stoic Germans in uniform from the 1st Jones' movie was about as lame as it gets.


SILENCE! I KILL YOU!!

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:21 PM

CHRISISALL


Okay, is Indy 4 better than Revenge Of The Sith then, Miss-????



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Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:51 PM

CYBERSNARK


A frontal lobotomy from Reavers is better than Revenge of the Sith. . .

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:03 PM

KWICKO

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Chris, I can't tell you you're the only one who liked it, but I *CAN* tell you you're not the only one who's wrong!

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:08 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Chris, I can't tell you you're the only one who liked it, but I *CAN* tell you you're not the only one who's wrong!

I feel the need to challenge you to a duel!!
Pisspot!


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Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:26 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Heh, Indy 4 rocks, maybe not HARD, but it rocks.

The laughing Chrisisall

If you liked Indy 4, you would have fell into eternal love with Indiana Jones and the City of Gods. It was the same story as Indy 4, but no Shia LaBeouf, Indy's son. Here is where you can read that screenplay and decide for yourself: http://file.wikileaks.org/file/indiana-jones-4.pdf

The Indy 4 screenplay is hosted by WikiLeaks. The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, said, "We believe that the way to justice is transparency, and we are clear that the end goal is to expose injustices in the world and try to rectify them." It was a grotesque injustice that this perfect Indy 4 screenplay was revised by a hack writer (not the original writer) before George Lucas would allow it to be filmed.

For people interested in why one Indy 4 screenplay is far better than the other Indy 4, there are 50 pro and 50 con reasons from a writer for Script Magazine:
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/06/50-strengths-of-darabonts
-draft.html

http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:34 PM

NAVYSEILS


I was always with you on the enjoying new indy side chris. Is it as good as the previous ones? probably not. But it's not cause of any fantastical or nonsensical elements. I still thought it was alright.


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Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:08 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb


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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
A frontal lobotomy from Reavers is better than Revenge of the Sith. . .


Sums it up.


'Cause Reavers are COOL!!!

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:40 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Yeah, Lucas' crayon-scribbles on the script were annoying, but enough of Spielberg's magic shone through to justify it.



You know, people assume it was Lucas adding the goofier stuff in Indy 4, and that may be true, but there's a 100 page transcript of the story meetings from Raiders of the Lost Arc, and throughout the whole thing, Spielberg is the one proposing the more preposterous stuff, and it's Lucas who keeps dialing it down to the Indy we know...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:42 PM

STORYMARK


Oh, and for the record, I consider Revenge o0f the Sith and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to be about equal - both somewhat entertaining, but highly flawed installments that pale next to the original.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:36 PM

LWAVES


Here we go again....

The reviewer is right about the implausibility of surviving both the raft fall and nuked fridge. And there are other implausable scenes in both movies (and the others) and I can completely agree that that is part of what makes Indy great, that he can and will survive these escapades. On it's own the nuked fridge wouldn't make a bad film.

But....it's not the only thing that's wrong with Crystal Skull by a long way IMO.
The main points of which are:

The Nuked Fridge - I could live with him surviving the fall inside it (it is Indy after all) but to walk away was a bit much. They could have at least had an ambulance turn up and see him in hospital with a bandage.

Mutt's Tarzan impression - I mean come on it's one thing for Indy to do something like that but Mutt isn't Indy even if they are father/son. Indy's been doing crazy stuff his whole life, this kid's just started.

Mutt's jeep swordfight - I can go with the fact that he had fencing lessons at college but to acheive the balance on very rough ground, across vehicles and to take on a highly trained enemy whilst having a conversation with his Mum was just way too far.

Harrison Ford - He was too old. Most of the time he shuffled rather than walked. Not his fault but the film should have been made years earlier.

Karen Allen - Where was the feisty, tough Marion from Raiders? Where was her acting ability? She just seemed to follow the others like a lost puppy.

John Rhys Davies - I don't know why he wasn't in the movie, it may have been his choice, but they could of at least mentioned him. They gave Denholm Elliot and Sean Connery their moments.

The rat/gopher things - Had no place in the movie. Too silly to discuss any further.

The humour - A tradematk of Indy films. Where was it? Most of it fell flat, the timing was off or it just wasn't there.

Ray Winstone - Very badly underused. It was so obvious he was working for the other side yet with a little tweaking it could have been a real surprise.

The CGI - Didn't look right. Reminded me of the older movies with the fake moving backdrops where you can tell they aren't really there.

The plot - I'm okay with it being aliens and Russians as it fits the time period but nothing changed by having Indy there. He didn't save anything or anyone that he couldn't have done by just going home after rescuing Marion etc.

It didn't feel like an Indy film - This is more of a personal thing and is certainly influenced by the above factors but it didn't have that spark or specialness that the others did. It didn't feel like an Indy movie should. It had moments like the main theme, his hat and shadow, the opening warehouse scene but they were too few.


I consider Revenge Of The Sith to be a better movie than Crystal Skull. I consider Phantom Menace to be a better film (just) which is probably a more accurate comparison as they were the first films released after a long wait.
I was more disappointed walking out of Crystal Skull than I have been for almost any other movie. And it's not all Lucas's fault, they all made the movie, they spent years saying no to ideas and scripts so they could have said no this time.
Hopefully they will say no next time. Unless they go in the direction of a certain Captain we all know....



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Friday, July 23, 2010 12:36 AM

AURAPTOR

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Karen Allen - Where was the feisty, tough Marion from Raiders? Where was her acting ability? She just seemed to follow the others like a lost puppy.


This!

Also, John Rhys Davies... what's the deal ? Ever since LOTR, he's shown up in some pretty crap sci-fi movies. I mean, REALLY bad! Is he strapped for cash ? Is he a work junkie, and just needs to be doing - something ? Odd that he'd be in Chupacabra and not Indy4.

It's silly to go over all this again. The story was clumsy, the humor was flat , and the manner in which Indy and Marion were reintroduced... after all these years..... just didn't work






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Friday, July 23, 2010 1:47 AM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb


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Originally posted by lwaves:
Mutt's jeep swordfight - I can go with the fact that he had fencing lessons at college but to acheive the balance on very rough ground, across vehicles and to take on a highly trained enemy whilst having a conversation with his Mum was just way too far.



In that fight, one of the first vehicles destroyed was the saw truck, yet after that, the forest road became infinite?? That took me out of the movie.

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John Rhys Davies - I don't know why he wasn't in the movie, it may have been his choice, but they could of at least mentioned him. They gave Denholm Elliot and Sean Connery their moments.


I think Sallah lives around the Mideast, so I didn't really expect him in Indy 4. Although, he did ride into the sunset with everybody else in 'Crusade'. Hmm... you're right, he should have been in.


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Friday, July 23, 2010 2:00 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Face it, it was crap. The fact that you continue to deny this make me wonder if you enjoyed King Solomons Mine with Richard Chamberlain.

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Friday, July 23, 2010 7:47 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Face it, it was crap. The fact that you continue to deny this make me wonder if you enjoyed King Solomons Mine with Richard Chamberlain.


No, but I liked Doc Savage with Ron Ely...


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Friday, July 23, 2010 7:57 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by lwaves:


The plot - I'm okay with it being aliens and Russians as it fits the time period but nothing changed by having Indy there. He didn't save anything or anyone that he couldn't have done by just going home after rescuing Marion etc.



Really, that is true of Raiders and Last Crusade as well. In Raiders, he could have rescued Marion at the bar and gone home, and the Nazi's would have still been digging in the wrong place, and had they eventually found it on their own... same ultimate result. Same would be true if he had taken Marion from the tent and gone home. In Crusade, once Indy got Henry, he could have said "No Dad, screw the diary" and gone home and the end result would have been the same.

Temple of Doom is the only Indy movie where Indy actually has an outcome on the ending, and the only one where he doesn't lead the bad guys directly to whatever they're after.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, July 23, 2010 9:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by lwaves:
...nothing changed by having Indy there. He didn't save anything or anyone that he couldn't have done by just going home after rescuing Marion etc.

Indy had heroic stuff to do at the end of the first version of the Indy 4 screenplay http://file.wikileaks.org/file/indiana-jones-4.pdf , written by Frank Darabont, who did a dozen scripts for The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles & The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones. The man knows Indy.

In that script, Indy personally shoots the Alien. There was none of George Lucas's pacifist nonsense about the evil Aliens escaping justice by teleporting the flying saucer into the mystic “space between spaces”. Instead, the saucer blows up. Indy gives the Aliens what they deserve: noisy death! Too bad Lucas cut that scene and many others because he wanted to cram Shia LaBeouf/Mutt Williams into the screenplay. Mutt should have never been born in Lucas' imagination. I guess it's all Indy's fault for not wearing a condom.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, July 23, 2010 9:53 AM

LWAVES


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by lwaves:


The plot - I'm okay with it being aliens and Russians as it fits the time period but nothing changed by having Indy there. He didn't save anything or anyone that he couldn't have done by just going home after rescuing Marion etc.



Really, that is true of Raiders and Last Crusade as well. In Raiders, he could have rescued Marion at the bar and gone home, and the Nazi's would have still been digging in the wrong place, and had they eventually found it on their own... same ultimate result. Same would be true if he had taken Marion from the tent and gone home. In Crusade, once Indy got Henry, he could have said "No Dad, screw the diary" and gone home and the end result would have been the same.

Temple of Doom is the only Indy movie where Indy actually has an outcome on the ending, and the only one where he doesn't lead the bad guys directly to whatever they're after.




Very true so I'll concede that point to you.
It was from a half remembered post back when the movie came out and I don't think it was by me either. But I stand by my other points.



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Friday, July 23, 2010 4:40 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

Temple of Doom is the only Indy movie where Indy actually has an outcome on the ending, and the only one where he doesn't lead the bad guys directly to whatever they're after.


Is it a wonder then why I love the flick?

"Let's go home- ALL of us!"


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Friday, July 23, 2010 7:23 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

Temple of Doom is the only Indy movie where Indy actually has an outcome on the ending, and the only one where he doesn't lead the bad guys directly to whatever they're after.


Is it a wonder then why I love the flick?

"Let's go home- ALL of us!"


The laughing Chrisisall




It was my least favorite as a kid, but has really grown on me. My preference on Indy films matches the order of release, now.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:04 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Storymark:



It was my least favorite as a kid, but has really grown on me. My preference on Indy films matches the order of release, now.


I'd have to say I'm right there with ya on that.


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Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:31 PM

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You're not the only one who loved Indy 4 despite the flaws, Chrissall

While Kingdom of the Crystal Skull couldn't hold a torch to Raiders of the Lost Ark, I thought it was a fun film for what it was. All the gongs were there to be struck, even if the swings were underpowered at times or at the wrong spot (metaphorically speaking).

Did initially ponder quite a bit at the shift from mystical/religious iconography to something more blatantly "new age" but what other famous relics could Indy & co. have gone after?

And concerning John Rhys-Davies' participation? I remember interviews saying he was all for coming back and taking up the Sallah role again, but lets be honest: Sallah shows up in the two films where the relic is hidden in the Middle East. The Sankara Stones were India and the Crystal Skull was in the middle of the Central American rainforest. Much as it seems like an odd comparison, Indiana Jones is like Kim Possible and has friends all over the globe...and he utilizes them when the matter needs it

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Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:46 PM

CHRISISALL


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Indiana Jones is like Kim Possible


LOL!!!!!!! *pees kilt*
That's great! Heh heh


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Saturday, July 24, 2010 5:42 PM

GWEK


Personally, I enjoy all four Indy movies, butI can understand why some folk don't like Indy IV. It's not necessarily that it's a bad movie (although it certainly has flaws). I think a large part of it is that the movie wasn't the movie that people wanted to see.

With the first three Indy movies (and other Spielberg or Lucas movies, for that matter, including Star Wars), Lucas and Spielberg set out to make movies that mirrored the sensibilities of the films of the 1930s. It's not a big surprise that when people went to the theater expecting yet another 1930s-style movie, they were disappointed to see a 1950s-style movie.

Are there mis-steps? Heck, yeah. Aliens instead of a relgious artifact? Maybe. Some people will call it a mistake. I personally thought it was a brilliant way to shift the focus from the 1930s to the 1950s. Of course, I had also known for years that there were various alien-themed script possibilities (and have also long considered Fox Mulder to be the intellectual descendent of Indiana Jones), so it wasnt' a huge surprise to me. Unlike a lot of people, I had many years to get used to the idea, and had a pretty good idea what I was walking into when I headed into the theater.

Mutt? Again, a potential mis-step, but I have to give Lucas and Spielberg credit for trying to create a new element to the Jones family legacy. Had things gone another way, had the character really clicked with audiences, they would have created a whole new franchise.

Ridiculous Tarzan moment aside, the failing with Mutt Williams centers on the casting. Shia LaBeouf was terrible--and for that I blame Spielberg. LaBeouf is clearly one of Spielberg's "golden boys," DaCaprio to his Scorcese, and Lord knows why. I think we can rest blame for casting Shia--and for pushing him to the fore--pretty squarely at the feet of Mister Spielberg.

Arguably, many of the minor failings in the movie can be attributed to Lucas and Spielberg simply being older. On the one hand, they are more mature and more experienced as filmmakers. On the other hand, they are also far more arrogant and, to some extent, seem to have lost their sense of fun. I think this led to a sense of emotional hollowness that appears not only in Indy IV, but also in the Prequel Trilogy.

Having said that, though, I think it's a good movie. In some ways, I think it mirrors TEMPLE OF DOOM, which often gets a bad rap. ToD is an excellent adventure movie, it just doesn't have quite the same "feel" as RAIDERS, so, again, it's not what audiences were expecting.








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Saturday, July 24, 2010 5:55 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by GWEK:
ToD is an excellent adventure movie


YEP!!!!!!!


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Monday, July 26, 2010 2:44 PM

CHRISISALL


Just watchin' Indy movies recently (canya tell?) & one thing stands out in Crystal Skull-
Is it just me, or did Janusz Kamiński's photography SUCK compared to Douglas Slocombe's???
It was like Minority Report with a bit more colour IMO.
Don't get me wrong, it (IJATKOTCS) was professionally photographed, but Slocombe was an ARTIST, whereas Janusz is just, well, a very talented camera dude.

Or do I just need a Blu-Ray player to *get* the photographic genius here-?


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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:47 AM

STORYMARK


I think that's a bit hyperbolic. Kaminski is an artist, and does some exceptional work in other films. But he has a particular and distinct style, and was trying to subsume his own style and ape someone else's - which is hard to do and often leads to less-then-spectacular results. That given, I think he did a reasonable job. No, the movie didn't look quite like the others, but it looked pretty close (there was a hell of a lot more than a "bit" of color). And he was forced to work with digital effects and composites in a way Slocombe never had to, which will effect the look.

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:26 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by GWEK:
Mutt? Again, a potential mis-step, but I have to give Lucas and Spielberg credit for trying to create a new element to the Jones family legacy. Had things gone another way, had the character really clicked with audiences, they would have created a whole new franchise.

Ridiculous Tarzan moment aside, the failing with Mutt Williams centers on the casting.


Hmm. Now you've got me curious who else could've done the role. (Could we have a reverse-Tom Selleck in the house?)

I can't really think of anyone offhand who could've fit.

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:31 AM

GWEK


I imagine there are literally thousands of unknown actors who could have done a better job than Shia LaBeouf. Part of the strength of Lucas and Spielberg back in the old days was they they took unknown actors (or at least virtually-unknown actors) and gave them solid, meaty parts. They found the best actors for the roles... not the best role for the actor, so to speak.

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:33 AM

STORYMARK


I thought LaBeouf was fine, myself. My problems with the movie are pretty much all down to the writing and directing.

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:46 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
No, the movie didn't look quite like the others, but it looked pretty close (there was a hell of a lot more than a "bit" of color).

Eh, it lacked the diverse colours & general warmth of Slocombe's work. Plus: no crazy close-ups with Indy nearly walking into the camera lens.
I could have come closer to the look of the other flicks.


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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:01 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Hey Chris.

Yeah - I still enjoy Crystal Skull. Always have done. I like it even more since I've realised it rubs people up the wrong way.



Kinda fed up with the facile argument that it's ridiculous. Was that really revelation to anyone?

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:14 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

]Eh, it lacked the diverse colours & general warmth of Slocombe's work. Plus: no crazy close-ups with Indy nearly walking into the camera lens.


Ohh you iz harsh Big 'C'.
I think back in the day things like the brilliance of a cinematographer was overlooked and it's only now we're realising veterans such as Slocombe, Vanlint et al were really exceptional. Judging Janusz Kaminski against such masters is pretty tough. I think he/they do great work given the kind of demands that are put upon him/them [cinematographers] by studios these days...

Just out of curiosity and to further a different kind of debate - who would you consider as being able to do a better job?



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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:16 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I like it even more since I've realised it rubs people up the wrong way.




You're a very bad man!


Sonisall & I watched CS the other day, & we both still freak off the FX show at the end.
Yesterday we watched Last Crusade, and while we both loved it, at the end he joked, "Okaaay, so they throw baby powder out of the front of that place for a wild ending."
I was like BWAHAHAHAHAHA!


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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:19 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:


Just out of curiosity and to further a different kind of debate - who would you consider as being able to do a better job?




Off the top of my head?
Dean Cundey. Yeah, definitely.


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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:47 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

Ohh you iz harsh Big 'C'.

Oh, Kaminski's stuff is actually pretty great- Lost World, A.I., War Of The Worlds- all those were visual treats IMO. He just don't copy other looks well.
And Minority Report looked like go-se, but he was probably told to do that. I blame The Matrix.


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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:47 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

And Minority Report looked like go-se, but he was probably told to do that. I blame The Matrix.



I'm a huge fan of Minority Report. After Shindler's List I'd say it's his best work. In terms of Indy 4 - I'd go for Emmanuel Lubezki or Serenity's own Jack Green - He knows his onions...

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:22 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:


I'm a huge fan of Minority Report.

I WANTED to like that movie SO much, but I just can't. I liked War Of The Worlds, and I REALLY liked A.I., but MR just kinda rubbed me the wrong way, mainly in the ending...
Oh well, we USUALLY agree on stuff, so the occasional divergence here n' there ain't no big thang, eh?


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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:26 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

And Minority Report looked like go-se, but he was probably told to do that. I blame The Matrix.





Odd, since they really don't look much alike. MR, and Kaminski's look overall owes more to stuff like Japanese horror to me (desaturated, the blooming, milky whites and such).

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:33 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

Odd, since they really don't look much alike.

I just meant that Matrix went green, then MR went white, and now Book Of Eli went all sepia...


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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:12 PM

BLAZINGUN


The Indy films have always been a source of fun and silliness. I have enjoyed everyone of them very much! Can't wait ta see the next ones!

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:39 PM

CHRISISALL


THAT'S the spirit!!


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:36 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I WANTED to like that movie SO much, but I just can't. I liked War Of The Worlds, and I REALLY liked A.I., but MR just kinda rubbed me the wrong way, mainly in the ending...
Oh well, we USUALLY agree on stuff, so the occasional divergence here n' there ain't no big thang, eh?



Oh I couldn't deal with A.I. I never give up on films but that one I came really close... It improved towards the finalé but I didn't like it at all.

As you say it aint so bad for us to disagree on occasions :D We differ with Lost too by the way....

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