OTHER SCIENCE FICTION SERIES

Remake This SF Movie, and I'll KILL/LOVE You!!!

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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:19 PM

CHRISISALL


What NEEDS to be remade?

What is perfectly fine without the big budget blockbuster white-wash & CGI treatment?

Getting remade (GRRRRR): Fantastic Voyage. WhyTF? A fun, cheesy little 60's film with relatively nice model work & a story as small as it's shrunk down ship. Oh yeah, we need a new one, bad. That'll be as good as the Planet Of The Apes one, I guarantee.

Needs a remake: Valley Of Gwangi. Old west vs. Dinosaurs?? That's SO high-concept!!! They just didn't make it look so believable back then IMO.
Bring it, b**ches!!!!

I turn the floor over to the next contributor.


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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:47 PM

CHRISISALL


Here's another two we needed(yeah): One Million Years BC. Wasn't that great? I Am Legend. Did they even READ the book? I guess not. At least CALL it The Omega Man, if that's what you're REALLY remaking (badly, that is)!

Needs To Be Remade: Logan's Run. It's been looked at. So, DO it already!!! & stick closer to the NOVEL this time!!!


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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:18 PM

KWICKO

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Do not touch 2001: A Space Odyssey. All these films are yours, except 2001. Attempt no remakes there.

Leave Blade Runner alone.

Remake Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope. No - scratch that. Don't "remake" it; just render it in 3D. That's doable now, allegedly - the doing old 2D movies into 3D, but it's expensive and time-consuming, but those aren't things that have bothered Lucas in the past.

[Ducking and covering, because I know all the Star Wars freaks are going to be coming after me...]

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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:22 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Do not touch 2001: A Space Odyssey. All these films are yours, except 2001. Attempt no remakes there.


Thus spake Kwickothustra.

I agree.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:38 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

If they do Fantastic Voyage, I'd rather they did Fantastic Voyage II, because the author of Fantastic Voyage was perturbed with the tripe he was required to write for the initial novelization.

I wouldn't mind seeing Nightfall redone, even as a low-budget independent flick in the 5-10 million range. The original is barely suitable for television nowadays. It hasn't aged well at all. Heck, it was barely suitable when it was originally made.

I wouldn't mind seeing The Final Countdown redone, or The Philadelphia Experiment.

A good Leyte Gulf movie featuring The Battle off Samar and Taffy III. There's been lots of History Channel movies, but I'd like to see something big-budget and very slightly fictionalized a-la Tora-Tora-Tora.

I'd like to see Starship Troopers remade properly, to cleave to the book, but there's fat chance of that.

--Anthony

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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:43 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I'd like to see Starship Troopers remade properly, to cleave to the book, but there's fat chance of that.


Very gorram sadly.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:20 PM

ANTHONYT

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightfall_(Asimov_short_story)

Hello,

This is the Nightfall I meant, btw. I realized just now there are others.

--Anthony

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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:21 PM

STORYMARK


I honestly don't care. If something I love is remade, it doesn't go away (and it usually means a new special edition DVD/Blu), so I'll always be able to watch it.

If the remake is good, cool, I have another fun version of a story I like. If it's bad, I don't have to watch it. No biggie.

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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:33 PM

CHRISISALL


I agree, but that attitude does not serve this intentionally goofy thread well.

Be ANGRY at wastes of money!!! Let's RIOT over crap tales retold when new ones could be!!! Let's destroy infrastructure over movies that NEED remaking!!

Or, you know, just watch new eps of CHUCK.


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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:35 PM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I'd like to see Starship Troopers remade properly, to cleave to the book, but there's fat chance of that.

Very gorram sadly.

There's always the TV series.

Over on Ex Isle, original series scribe Zack Stentz got us speculating on an Andromeda reboot ( http://www.exisle.net/mb/index.php?/topic/65936-andromeda-2012-the-reb
oot
/ --universal takeaways: bring back RHW, give him an actual budget, don't fire the creator from his own gorram show).

One of my pet projects for when I finally make a name for myself is a reboot of Silverhawks as a (slightly) harder SF space-opera involving long-range sleeper-ships and cyborged peace agents ("partly metal, partly real") who are the only beings that can survive the wear and tear of interstellar travel without being cryofrozen.



I also have a few ideas for a big-budget summer blockbuster based on the Galaxy Rangers franchise. It wouldn't really be a reboot, though: just the first episode brought up to two-hour length (the episode itself uses time-compression to cover a span of several months --the lead goes from "I need to put a team together" to being in command of a well-oiled machine. We never actually see the Rangers as strangers pulling together).



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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:42 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
bring back RHW, give him an actual budget, don't fire the creator from his own gorram show

I was actually into that series until he "left."
F***ing suits.


The residually pissed-off Chrisisall


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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:42 PM

GWEK


I'd love to see a big budget remake of BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS.



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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:44 PM

CHRISISALL


That was cheese of a thick & creamy variety.


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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:54 PM

GWEK


Indeed it was, but you gotta give them props for stealing from the same source as Lucas (Kurosawa).

With such a big cast, there's lots of room for over-the-top special effects AND tons of characters. Who wouldn't want to see, say, Adam Baldwin in the George Peppard role?

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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 3:02 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Remake Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope. No - scratch that. Don't "remake" it; just render it in 3D. That's doable now, allegedly - the doing old 2D movies into 3D, but it's expensive and time-consuming, but I'm those aren't things that have bothered Lucas in the past.


Didn't Lucas already CGI the visual effects with the Special Edition? Or do you mean 3D glasses 3D?

I vote no for the former. There were some things that were broke that needed fixing (Obi-Wan's lightsaber glow), but mostly it was ok.

Now if you just want to make it look as polished as Empire, then that might be interesting.


Joss has my full permission to completely remake the Prequels. Just call in an airstrike and start over.

And I want Steven Williams (Mr. X from The X-Files) to be a Darkside. (I saw it in a dream and he was badass/scary.)


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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:07 PM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I'd like to see Starship Troopers remade properly, to cleave to the book, but there's fat chance of that.

--Anthony

Remake Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles from 1999-2000. If you think Firefly got canceled because of a terrible timeslot on Fridays then imagine the difficulty for Roughnecks. I'd get up at 5:00AM to watch it because I did not trust the programmed VCR to start (although the VCR never failed to work) and then I'd rewatch it on tape in the afternoon. The final 3 episodes were not made. The remake, which need only be an hour long to cover those 3 episodes with the voices of the original actors already recorded, would finish the story. Or why not remake all 40 episodes with improved graphics? Until then I will not know if Rico kills the Bug Queen hidden under Hawaii. Every kid wants to see soldiers in power-suits and robotic walking machines wading across molten lava streams!!!
http://misterhook.tripod.com/roughnecks/episodes.htm
The missing episodes:
133 Home Front
138 The Gates of Hell
139 Circle of the Damned
140 Final Inferno



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Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:06 PM

FREMDFIRMA



I'm with GWEK, yes, it's cheese, but it was damn good cheese!

I am of course, a little biased cause I learned a very important life lesson, early enough to take heed of it, from Gelts throne room speech.

But there were so many innovative concepts, like Nestor as a tendril of a bored hive mind, the Kelvins infrared communication, and the concept of actually using tactics in a space battle, from a set piece ambush to a run-n-gun mobile offense, which given the pathetic budget they had for the model and camera work, they did a holy hell of a job representing.
(to where multiple B-flicks rob the footage regularly, no less)

And how can you not love John Saxons pompous, overbearing, LARGE HAM, Sador of the Malmouri ?

Lesse, casting, hmmm...

Shad: Hmm, dunno, thinkin maybe former kid-actor in need of cash/work here.

Gelt: Michael Ironside, old enough, bitter enough, and quite convincing.

Sador: Hugo Weaving, good gawd, just take Elronds pompous delivery and darken it up some.

Cowboy: Bruce Spence, he's just goofy enough for it.

Nanelia: Christina Hendricks, that'd be HI-larious.

Saint-Exmin: Gina Torres, hands down.

Zed: Clint Eastwood, he'd have fun with that one.

Cayman: Michael Dorn, I'd love to see what he could bring to that part, has the voice, body movement, and style to carry it well.

Nestor: Give someone from the B-list a chance, here.

Nell Voice: Yeardley Smith, yeah, she does Lisa Simpson, but honestly, I will ALWAYS remember her as Curtiss's wife from Maximum Overdrive.
Currrtis ? are you dead ?
Hoo boy howdy would she love the part, too.

Btw: the reason the Sound Track is in fact so much better than the movie itself was cause that's James Horner, before the awesomeness of Wrath of Khan brought him to the mainstream - if one listens closely, there's plenty of similarity, although WoK is more grand epic space operatic type stuff, and BBTS is boot to the head action story.

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Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:16 AM

LWAVES


The definite no-go areas are:

2001 - it was a fantastic film, it is a fantastic film and will always be a fantastic film. How could you possibly emulate the film without it just being a very poor giant rip off or a straight scene-for-scene remake which would redefine the word 'pointless'. Of course if they want to make 2061 and 3001....but then we aren't talking remakes.

Blade Runner - Simple, just don't go there. Don't even think about it.


Things that could be re-made:

Gatchaman/Battle Of The Planets - I'd like to see this done properly (live action) as long as they base it more on the original Japanese version than the butchered US version, although it's the US version that got me into the show. Might be a bit cliched for today but I'm sure they could bring it up to date. Plus the Phoenix is a great looking ship.

Logan's Run - A good call. It's a great story but does look very dated these days.



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Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:05 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

A good Leyte Gulf movie featuring The Battle off Samar and Taffy III. There's been lots of History Channel movies, but I'd like to see something big-budget and very slightly fictionalized a-la Tora-Tora-Tora.



That'd be great. I assume you've read "Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors" by James D. Hornfischer.

Quote:

I'd like to see Starship Troopers remade properly, to cleave to the book, but there's fat chance of that.


I too devoutly wish for this. I'm afraid it won't sell to film execs because they'd just see another "Iron Man" type film.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:42 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

?!? I just watched a clip from that Roughnecks cartoon. Apparently better than the movie, but... even in a CARTOON they chose not to do the suits? Do they deploy as they do in the book? And do the early episodes show the recruitment and training process?

Geezer, you're probably right. They'd probably say, "We can't compete with Iron Man" (or Voltron or Power Rangers or Transformers) and overlook that competing with iron man isn't the point of such an enterprise.

I have read many summations of the battle off Samar, but not Tin Can Sailors. If you recommend it, it's going on my waiting list at the Library.

--Anthony

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Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:13 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by lwaves:

Logan's Run - A good call. It's a great story but does look very dated these days.




I love the movie, and even the garish, sparkly look to it, it's just that a remake could do the actual STORY from the novel, which is light years superiour to the limited glimpse the movie provided.


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:17 AM

GWEK


Since someone mentioned Battle of the Planets, I'll throw in Star Blazers. Yeah, I know there's a Japanese live action version in the making, but I think it's the ideal Michael Bay project.

Speaking of Bay, if we have to get more big robot movies, I'd rather Shogun Warriors than Transformers.

And the idea that there could FINALLY be a Micronauts movie has me almost as excited as the original announcement that there would be another Star Wars trilogy. (I hope they use the classic first story arc of the Marvel comic as a basis).

I'm probably the only one who remembers this one, but there was a Marvel comic called Strikeforce: Morituri that I think would make a great movie (or possibly HBO/SyFy series).

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Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:36 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Dream remakes:
























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Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:06 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Remake Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope. No - scratch that. Don't "remake" it; just render it in 3D. That's doable now, allegedly - the doing old 2D movies into 3D, but it's expensive and time-consuming, but those aren't things that have bothered Lucas in the past.



I don't know what kind of digital trickery they are using to modify old films so they can then call it 3-D (just to sell tickets), but this can't really be done with any movie that wasn't shot with dual 3-D optic cameras from the start. They might be able to selectively fuzz different parts of wide shots like foreground and background to give the very worst, faintest (er, bullshit) illusion of depth and multiple dimensions, but in the end to me it's the worst kind of fakery. So I guess we should expect it pretty soon.



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Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:09 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

?!? I just watched a clip from that Roughnecks cartoon. Apparently better than the movie, but... even in a CARTOON they chose not to do the suits? Do they deploy as they do in the book? And do the early episodes show the recruitment and training process?
--Anthony

Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles has dropsuits that only allow wearers to waddle and bunny-hop like Apollo Moonwalkers. They are fired downward from spaceships. Near the ground, the dropsuits open and inside is a soldier wearing a powersuit. When the battery dies in a powersuit, the soldier becomes a statue. The flashback episodes show their basic training without powersuits. And then with armored suits and guns.
If Robert Heinlein's descriptions of suits were followed exactly, soldiers would need bones that stretch and compress like silly-putty. This was learned when animators were building computer models of characters. Heinlein is excellent at faking his science, but when you try to convert fake science into engineered product, even if only computer animation...


Then there are Marauders. A soldier in a powersuit rides in the cab like a farmer on a air-conditioned tractor. The machines come in styles: The Ape and The Duck.


The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:17 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:


I don't know what kind of digital trickery they are using to modify old films so they can then call it 3-D (just to sell tickets), but this can't really be done with any movie that wasn't shot with dual 3-D optic cameras from the start.


Oh, you SO can produce a 3D image from a 2D one now.
The program simply produces a second image from a 4 inch different theoretical perspective. It then distorts all the images to correspond to that perspective, and voila! 3D.


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:30 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I can't believe the effect is as good as real 3d?

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Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:30 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:


I don't know what kind of digital trickery they are using to modify old films so they can then call it 3-D (just to sell tickets), but this can't really be done with any movie that wasn't shot with dual 3-D optic cameras from the start.


Oh, you SO can produce a 3D image from a 2D one now.
The program simply produces a second image from a 4 inch different theoretical perspective. It then distorts all the images to correspond to that perspective, and voila! 3D.


The laughing Chrisisall




Of course - Simple! "In Software We Trust."
If it's so easy why don't they just make 4D then, huh Mr. Science??

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Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:36 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I can't believe the effect is as good as real 3d?




Of course not. But we are meant to think it is.
CGI has a strong influence on the weak-minded.
But you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:37 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:


If it's so easy why don't they just make 4D then, huh Mr. Science??


Mr. Cameron is working on it, surely.


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:53 AM

CHRISISALL


Westworld. Now here I'm split. I like the classic as is, but with JUST the right tweak & expand of the script, a hi-tek remake MAY be in order...

Whadya'll think?


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:00 AM

OPPYH


A Planet of the Apes remake(shot for shot) w/ the cast I mentioned a while back in another thread. That I would pay to see


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:28 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
If it's so easy why don't they just make 4D then, huh Mr. Science??



We already have 4D movies. They're called "movies." The non-4D ones are called "pictures."

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Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:32 AM

CHRISISALL


LOL.


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:32 AM

CHRISISALL


LOL.

Apparently this was so funny, the system thought it needed double-posting.


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:13 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I suspect you will be plagued with a Syfy movie of the week version of Westworld. ;-)

--Anthony


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:03 AM

KWICKO

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:


I don't know what kind of digital trickery they are using to modify old films so they can then call it 3-D (just to sell tickets), but this can't really be done with any movie that wasn't shot with dual 3-D optic cameras from the start.


Oh, you SO can produce a 3D image from a 2D one now.
The program simply produces a second image from a 4 inch different theoretical perspective. It then distorts all the images to correspond to that perspective, and voila! 3D.


The laughing Chrisisall




A little more involved than that, but basically that's about it. Say you've got a shot of an airliner coming at you, front 3/4 view - the nose much closer to you than the tail. You have to - and now you CAN - go in an manipulate the length of the plane by dividing it into "layers" - each layer being a little closer to a theoretical 3D "vanishing point". So you have a shot of the nose layer, and some distance away (call it 5x) you have the extrapolated view (from your other eye, natch). Go towards the rear of the plane, about 1/5th of the way down it's length, and that distance between the two images (the real and the computer-derived one) is now 4x. A little further back, it's 3x, then 2x, then x. More layers and more separation gets you to more depth, up to a point.

It's just a way to trick your mind into THINKING you're looking at two different images, and you don't necessarily need two vastly different images to fool it for the length of time it takes for a frame of motion picture film to go past and be "seen" by your brain.

It can be done, it's BEING done; it's just quite expensive and time-consuming to do it. But as noted before, such trivial details and time and money never really seemed to bother George Lucas before. And he is very good at driving the effects realm towards better and cheaper ways of accomplishing what he's after.

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I can't believe the effect is as good as real 3d?

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Define "real 3d". Are you talking about "reality"? That's the only REAL 3D there is. :)

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Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:25 AM

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Define "real 3d".

Electrical impulses interpreted by your brain.


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:


I don't know what kind of digital trickery they are using to modify old films so they can then call it 3-D (just to sell tickets), but this can't really be done with any movie that wasn't shot with dual 3-D optic cameras from the start.


Oh, you SO can produce a 3D image from a 2D one now.
The program simply produces a second image from a 4 inch different theoretical perspective. It then distorts all the images to correspond to that perspective, and voila! 3D.


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A little more involved than that, but basically that's about it. Say you've got a shot of an airliner coming at you, front 3/4 view - the nose much closer to you than the tail. You have to - and now you CAN - go in an manipulate the length of the plane by dividing it into "layers" - each layer being a little closer to a theoretical 3D "vanishing point". So you have a shot of the nose layer, and some distance away (call it 5x) you have the extrapolated view (from your other eye, natch). Go towards the rear of the plane, about 1/5th of the way down it's length, and that distance between the two images (the real and the computer-derived one) is now 4x. A little further back, it's 3x, then 2x, then x. More layers and more separation gets you to more depth, up to a point.

It's just a way to trick your mind into THINKING you're looking at two different images, and you don't necessarily need two vastly different images to fool it for the length of time it takes for a frame of motion picture film to go past and be "seen" by your brain.

It can be done, it's BEING done; it's just quite expensive and time-consuming to do it. But as noted before, such trivial details and time and money never really seemed to bother George Lucas before. And he is very good at driving the effects realm towards better and cheaper ways of accomplishing what he's after.




Thing is 3D is not created by multiple depths - for sure that's what the result is, what our mind's perceive is depth - but to create that you need multiple perspectives, the differing perspectives of 2 eyes. Blending those in our brains = depth. That cannot be extrapolated from a single perspective.
Hold your head still and look at anything nearby and close and open each eye and notice what each one sees, and more importantly, notice what they both don't see. How are you going to recreate something that was never recorded?
You say it's being done and I have no doubt that SOMETHING is being done to fudge it and being stamped "3D!", that's just because that's the $buzz right now. But it's not a good approximation of the 3D we experience in real life imho, and I think anyone who presents old films as 3D should be gutted and have their entrails sold at a very creepy auction.


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:01 AM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Thing is 3D is not created by multiple depths - for sure that's what the result is, what our mind's perceive is depth - but to create that you need multiple perspectives, the differing perspectives of 2 eyes.

Exactly Piz, and the computer *creates* the 2nd perspective based off the initial image! It really is that simple (in a kind of nightmarishly complicated way, that is).
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I think anyone who presents old films as 3D should be gutted and have their entrails sold at a very creepy auction.



That kinda damages my calm some...


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Thing is 3D is not created by multiple depths - for sure that's what the result is, what our mind's perceive is depth - but to create that you need multiple perspectives, the differing perspectives of 2 eyes.

Exactly Piz, and the computer *creates* the 2nd perspective based off the initial image! It really is that simple (in a kind of nightmarishly complicated way, that is).
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I think anyone who presents old films as 3D should be gutted and have their entrails sold at a very creepy auction.



That kinda damages my calm some...


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I like that: *creates!* For you I will *creates* a diamond from a malted milk ball. Sorry Chris, I'm a visual purist.
Did you do that eye thingy thing I mentioned? Deal is you can't recreate what it doesn't know, it can only guess what was there, so it uses Digital Fudge ™ to approximate what *might* be there. It's fake, it's a lie, it's implants, and it's all just to separate fools from their money. Studio Exec: "Content? Ha! WTF is that?? Why put $effort$ into writing when we can fool, er, entertain the dumbasses, I mean, masses?"

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Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:47 AM

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Deal is you can't recreate what it doesn't know, it can only guess what was there, so it uses Digital Fudge ™ to approximate what *might* be there. It's fake, it's a lie, it's implants, and it's all just to separate fools from their money. Studio Exec: "Content? Ha! WTF is that?? Why put $effort$ into writing when we can fool, er, entertain the dumbasses, I mean, masses?"


I think you completely understand now...


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Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:24 AM

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But it's not a good approximation of the 3D we experience in real life imho, and I think anyone who presents old films as 3D should be gutted and have their entrails sold at a very creepy auction.


Hey, you're preachin' to the choir here, to an extent. You're talking to the guy who can't watch the 3D movies - either the old style with the red&blue glasses OR the new kind like Avatar, because I can't see the 3D, and just end up watching a blurry mess that gives me a giant headache in less than 2 minutes, and makes me feel like I'm going to heave (and I ride rollercoasters and ride along on aerobatics flights for shits & giggles, so I don't puke easily!)

I'm just saying that they're doin' it.

I agree with gutting them and having an auction, too - but only if it's broadcast in gory 3D! :)

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Thing is 3D is not created by multiple depths - for sure that's what the result is, what our mind's perceive is depth - but to create that you need multiple perspectives, the differing perspectives of 2 eyes.

Exactly Piz, and the computer *creates* the 2nd perspective based off the initial image! It really is that simple (in a kind of nightmarishly complicated way, that is).
Quote:

I think anyone who presents old films as 3D should be gutted and have their entrails sold at a very creepy auction.



That kinda damages my calm some...


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I like that: *creates!* For you I will *creates* a diamond from a malted milk ball. Sorry Chris, I'm a visual purist.
Did you do that eye thingy thing I mentioned? Deal is you can't recreate what it doesn't know, it can only guess what was there, so it uses Digital Fudge ™ to approximate what *might* be there. It's fake, it's a lie, it's implants, and it's all just to separate fools from their money. Studio Exec: "Content? Ha! WTF is that?? Why put $effort$ into writing when we can fool, er, entertain the dumbasses, I mean, masses?"

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Okay, couple things.

1) Diamond from malted milk ball? If there's carbon in that milk ball, why not? :) Carbon, heat, pressure, time = diamond.

2) Saying "it's fake" about something like Star Wars is kind of ridiculous. Reminds me of the Bobcat Goldthwaite bit about the reissue of Ep IV, where all the nerds were yelling "FAKE!" when Jabba walked onscreen. What in that movie WASN'T fake? Did all the rest of it REALLY happen a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away? Are there those among us who thought it was a documentary?

IT'S ALL FAKE ALREADY! Is making it *appear* to be in 3D somehow *more* fake? Would it somehow dilute the realism of the light sabers if they looked like they were about to cut you in half?

Yes, it's fake. It's fake 3D. But if it's on a screen in the first place, it's fake. Some 3D is done well, some isn't. Anyone who saw Jaws 3 in 3D knows this already, as does anyone who saw Friday the 13th Part 3 in 3D. (Friday 13 III was a horrible movie, but entertaining 3D in its own way; Jaws 3 was just horrible in every conceivable way, and should have all traces of it wiped from the face of the Earth)

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Friday, September 24, 2010 3:31 AM

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Hey, you're preachin' to the choir here, to an extent. You're talking to the guy who can't watch the 3D movies - either the old style with the red&blue glasses OR the new kind like Avatar, because I can't see the 3D, and just end up watching a blurry mess that gives me a giant headache in less than 2 minutes




I'm with you on this one.
I can't see the red/blue 3D and I never got those stereogram pictures either (I'm still convinced it's a conspiracy against me). But when this new 3D came out and I found out it was done differently I decided to give it a go and watched Avatar in 3D. Overall it was fairly good from my POV. It took a while longer than my mate for it to stop being too blurry and I did get a headache for about the first half hour but after that had passed it wasn't too bad for me. I guess I don't get it as bad as you Kwicko.

My big problem with 3D comes in two parts. The first is the differences between actually filming in 3D and then taking a movie filmed normally and making it 3D. The former I can go with because it was their intention from the start. The latter just seems to be a (cheaper??) quick fix to get in on a current trend and try to make more money.
The second part comes from those the films that instead of shooting the scenes how they normally would they force it to make use of the 3D effect. Like having stuff deliberately fly at the camera/viewer when they don't necessarily need to. I've only heard about this happening from reviews and friends that watch 3D movies more than me so I can't speak from personal viewing.

And it made me laugh when The Final Destination 3D was released. I never saw the film (never will) but I can see folks that saw it at the cinema in 'real' 3D, and liked it, would then go and buy the DVD or BluRay expecting the same and being stuck with the red/blue 3D. Suckers. And I know this happened coz a mate of mine works at Blockbuster and he told me about folks complaining.



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Friday, September 24, 2010 3:59 AM

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Yup, it's odd - I used to be able to watch 3D just fine. A few years back, I had a problem with my right eye (iritis), which tends to come back in late July/early August *IF* it's dry and hot enough (which leads me to believe it's definitely triggered by some kind of allergic reaction, but to which pollen I don't know - yet.).

Anyway, ever since that first attack, which rendered me legally blind in that eye for over a month, I haven't been able to see the whole "3D" thing on screen. Fortunately, I can see it just fine in real life. :)

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"Saying "it's fake" about something like Star Wars is kind of ridiculous."

Hello,

I found a debate on the subject on Youtube.



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I have read many summations of the battle off Samar, but not Tin Can Sailors. If you recommend it, it's going on my waiting list at the Library.



Then put it in the list. I found it well written and absolutely riveting - with minute-by-minute description of the actions of Taffy 3's DDs and DEs aginst against the Japanese Center force, and profiles of the people involved. Chokes me up just to think of the bravery.

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Yup, it's odd - I used to be able to watch 3D just fine. A few years back, I had a problem with my right eye (iritis), which tends to come back in late July/early August *IF* it's dry and hot enough (which leads me to believe it's definitely triggered by some kind of allergic reaction, but to which pollen I don't know - yet.).

Anyway, ever since that first attack, which rendered me legally blind in that eye for over a month, I haven't been able to see the whole "3D" thing on screen. Fortunately, I can see it just fine in real life. :)



Same problem, different condition.
I've had mine since birth but it only revealed itself when I went for my first eye test when I was about 30.
I can't focus both my eyes at the same time. It was only slightly out until my eyesight got worse through age. It did explain why I was sometimes accused of giving ppeople the 'evil stare' and I wouldn't have a clue what they were on about. It would be me automatically adjusting each eye's focus to see them properly. It only took a millisecond but it was enough.



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