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Prometheus

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Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:13 AM

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What I like the most about Ridley Scot movies are their look, and Prometheus - in that regard - didn't disappoint. There's a beauty shot of the ship Prometheus as it lands on a moon (main location for much of the film) and in the Rave DLP 2D version/cinema I saw it in it was absolutely breathtaking in it's detail. As cutting edge as it gets visually - I couldn't help but think of seeing Serenity in the same shot - what a treat that would be.

I like the over all story and the twist that occurs - that our Creators didn't want us to contact them so we could have a picnic reunion - they wanted to kill us, they may even be more evil than the chest-busting life form they created to kill us.

Sounds good, looks great, but in the telling I was not completely won over by it - maybe too many bits borrowed from previous movies (the snarky, smart alec crew).

Noomi Rapace was great - her physicality was impressive - I felt the pain! Fassbender's David - meh. I think he was good but the idea of the evil robot servant with an agenda is over done, not his fault.

There is a kind of homage to the original chest bursting scene - I remember when that happened in the original in a packed theater how absolutely quiet it got (apart from the screaming), and how exhausted I felt after the scene was over. To a large extent the same in this movie - gaaaaaah! You know Scott is pushing your buttons with a hammer, but he does it so well.

I could have done without the "weapons of mass destruction" reference. Charleze Theron, 50-50. The "touching of the unknown, moving and threatening alien life form while talking to it like it's a dog with horrible consequences" - really??

And the music/score was a far cry from Jerry Goldsmith - pretty uninspiring imho - it sounded like would belong better with a WWII film, Pacific or some such, not scifi/horror.

I do want to see it again - I'm sure I missed a lot!

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:19 AM

WINDIE


Finally watched this yesterday afternoon.

Quite liked the film for what it is, although it felt rushed and the plot has big holes.

The ship reminds me of an upgraded, bigger Serenity.

There was too much cutting from one set of characters to another without explanations. Not enough use of some characters. As I said it generally has a rushed feel.

Suppose I will have to wait for the super extended directors cut to fill in the gaps.




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Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:09 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by windie:
The plot has big holes. Not enough use of some characters. Suppose I will have to wait for the super extended directors cut to fill in the gaps.

The scriptwriter had David, the robot, read the Alien Engineers' language. David even spoke it and the Engineer obviously comprehended, but the scriptwriter could not think of even one word for the Engineer to say. Maybe the Engineer speaks in the Director's extended cut? Or was it a failure of imagination to leave the Engineer a dumb beast?

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by windie:
Finally watched this yesterday afternoon.

Quite liked the film for what it is, although it felt rushed and the plot has big holes.

The ship reminds me of an upgraded, bigger Serenity.

There was too much cutting from one set of characters to another without explanations. Not enough use of some characters. As I said it generally has a rushed feel.

Suppose I will have to wait for the super extended directors cut to fill in the gaps.




Agree with all of this - there were simple scene transitions that would have been nice, a couple lines of dialogue really, but my guess is they hit the trash to save on time. It can be one of my biggest peeves with studios - the cut so they can get an extra showing, but if it makes it a worse movie then who's going to be there for the extra showing? I would recommend Alien to anyone who likes movies, and Prometheus mainly to scifi fans who like the series and then with a few disclaimers.

I forgot about Guy Pearce and the less than convincing advanced senior make up he had done for his character - not much better than Little Big Man some 40 years earlier imho.

Here's a scene that didn't make the cut:



Maybe it was just for the internet? Why an Aussie to play a Brit? I like Guy Pearce, but....

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by two:
The scriptwriter had David, the robot, read the Alien Engineers' language. David even spoke it and the Engineer obviously comprehended, but the scriptwriter could not think of even one word for the Engineer to say. Maybe the Engineer speaks in the Director's extended cut? Or was it a failure of imagination to leave the Engineer a dumb beast?



Prometheus II - Thus Spake Engineerous

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:21 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Prometheus II - Thus Spake Engineerous

Everybody except Elizabeth dead and David's talking head in a duffel bag, the sequel is going to be really short: Prometheus ½

The sequel possibilities are vanishingly small unless Elizabeth pays back those thugs by dropping the Engineers' biological bombs on their home world. I'd buy a ticket to see genocide! I don't like calling them Engineers, they're Godfellows -- alien hit-men. The young 2023 Peter Weyland from the outtake has ambition: "We are Gods, now." He always wanted to be a Godfellow, Crime Lord over all life, but he can't because the real Godfellows are a million years ahead of Weyland.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:13 AM

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My cousin loved it, my dad hated it, I thought it was okay. I actually liked the WMD thing, that was one of the parts that I thought was kind of cool. But there were wholes in the story and things that were a little confusing. Most others I've talked to are about where I am, they thought it was okay but not great or even all that good.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:16 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by two:
Everybody except Elizabeth dead and David's talking head in a duffel bag, the sequel is going to be really short: Prometheus ½



That just means there's less to have to write around, I believe it would be freeing, even more exciting to see her wreak havoc with so little to start with. And - don't forget that one line that was kind of a throw away line: "Who created them?"

I don't know the numbers but they are likely to tell us before "story potential" does, whether there will be a sequel :)

Originally posted by two:
"The sequel possibilities are vanishingly small unless Elizabeth pays back those thugs by dropping the Engineers' biological bombs on their home world. "

See, you just typed that out and look how good it is.

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I actually liked the WMD thing, that was one of the parts that I thought was kind of cool.



Hi RionaEire - I find it kind of jarring to be in an escapist, futuristic movie and then given a reference to our current times (especially the messed up part). I like leaving all that outside the theater.

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:22 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
My cousin loved it, my dad hated it, I thought it was okay. . . . Most others I've talked to are about where I am, they thought it was okay but not great or even all that good.

The parts are uneven. I bet the FX people say that seeing Alien on late night TV changed their lives forever. Those young people put their hearts into making Prometheus great. It shows! On the other hand, the much older director (born: November 30, 1937, age 74) saw this as just another job to be done with the minimum of mental energy. That also shows.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:12 PM

CATPIRATE


Can't wait to see. Big Cherry Coke and Popcorn. I am a 2D man. If I see flying red balls it tells me horror flick. I ain't never trusted them since they first came on screen with Phantasm. It's like flying monkeys from Wizard of Oz.

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Friday, June 15, 2012 6:15 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by CATPIRATE:
Can't wait to see. Big Cherry Coke and Popcorn. I am a 2D man.

From your pithy sentences I know you'll love that the characters speak in short bursts of basic English, to make them easier to subtitle. They never really say anything with depth. There's no reason to care about them. Their dialogue is only as a function of the plot.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, June 16, 2012 4:33 AM

CATPIRATE


Well how about that "I'm Pithy".

I just saw the movie. Very entertaining. Great CGI. Good Plot and story. Cut half the actors out. For me they had no chemistry. I don't care for the actress who played Shaw. I don't know what they see in her. But to many Scots in the flick. Not to mention professionals are not going to look like punk rockers.

The movie has scenes from other movies. They do that a lot. But overall an "A".

Alex Jones condemns it as a conspiracy movie. The Illuminati has symbols in it. My kind of stuff.



Any reason to buy a cherry coke and popcorn. Topps.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:32 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


I agree Two. It seemed to me that Ridley Scott phoned it in. I saw an interview with the 2nd screenwriter, Damon Lindelof (Jon Spaihts being the first), and he tells a tale of not making it another Alien movie but rather something different.
He stated that in Spaiphts screenplay there were lots of monsters and alien-like creatures running about. He suggested to Ridley to only hint at the fact that this was an Alien prequel. By the way, he's a Joss fan, mostly Buffy but Firefly as well. Below is a full interview that appeared on Hulu's Spoilers.




To me the script was lazy, in particular with the dialogue, but also with the character development (of which there was slim to none) Noomi Rapace's character was the only one almost fully realized. Charlize's character also had some interesting things going on, but that's pretty much it. The robot has been done in just about every Alien movie since it's inception, so I was kind of disappointed. But I was also fascinated by Fassbender's performance, which brings me to the conclusion that it wasn't his fault that the movie fell short of greatness. Ridley hired Lindelof to read the screenplay by Spaihts to see what could be done to spice it up, but, instead, he convinced Scott to go in a different direction with the atory.

Lindelof, was responsible for Lost. Enough said. Still though Ridley Scott could have said something to make the story more credible. These space explorers were a bit on the dumb side, didn't anyone do any research regarding space travel.
Why would a biologist go up to a snake-like creature and start playing with it? Why would the guy who brought the mapping device get lost? Why wouldn't they have a quarantine section in the medical bay for emergency parasite removal? Instead the flame-throw his ass. It's funny how they thought enough about a "red alert" moment to bring a flame thrower, but how did they know it would work in the moon's atmo? No oxygen, remember!?

Now all this stuff looks cool in a trailer but when you watch the movie, you begin to wonder - who wrote this. But it begs the question why did Scott allow this in his movie? Sure it was beautiful to look at, BTW I loved the visuals, but I also love a great story. At the end, I was disappointed. Ridley Scott could do better than that.

SGG



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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:46 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey Pizmo,

Little Big Man...............you're right. Saw the trailer with the TED speech, that was quite good. Why they cut it is beyond me.


SGG

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:46 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey Pizmo,

Little Big Man...............you're right. Saw the trailer with the TED speech, that was quite good. Why they cut it is beyond me.


SGG

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:03 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Pizmo,

Little Big Man...............you're right. Saw the trailer with the TED speech, that was quite good. Why they cut it is beyond me.


SGG



Scott has always been the director bringing the best visuals to cinema for me, kind of like the torch bearer for Stanley Kubrik - always couldn't wait to see one of his films. But great films have to have great scripts - this one too many writers maybe, or too many disinterested ones - good details about that btw, thx.
I will hold off final judgement after the director's cut comes out on BluRay.
The lost guy messing with the alien snake thing had to be a low point in any Scott movie.... almost expected Benny Hill music to break out! Daaaaaaaaa rump da ditty, da da rump da ditty, da da da da da da do.....

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:12 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
I will hold off final judgement after the director's cut comes out on BluRay.
The lost guy messing with the alien snake thing had to be a low point in any Scott movie.... almost expected Benny Hill music to break out!

Some movies can't be fixed with a mere series of technical edits and tiny changes. Viewers understand that a movie can be about "smart" things, but if it goes about them in incoherent ways...

Red Letter Media talks about Prometheus - SPOILERS on youtube.



Hulk examines PROMETHEUS and Damon Lindelof's debilitating fixation.
Quote:

Even if it has become fashionable in some corners of the film world to pick on him, there is one simple fact that matters: Damon Lindelof is a supremely talented writer with all the promise in the world.

And much more than that, he matters. The meteoric rise of Lost has propelled him into being that rarest of Hollywood birds: a valued screenwriter. What gives that distinction all the more impact is that his writing showcases both personality and style, i.e. The very things that qualify one as having "a voice." We need more writers like him to be honest. And to top it off he seems to be a kind, affable guy. Still, Hulk can't help but worry about the direction his work has been taking lately.

With the ending of Lost and then the one two punch of Cowboys and Aliens and Prometheus, it seems as if the very themes and stylistic choices that initially made him feel so distinct are starting to reach a kind of critical mass. Please understand this isn't some reactionary sentiment of someone just getting bored with what he does. This is about how his stringent devotion to his own interests are actually undoing the coherency and pragmatic function of his work, which can mean only one thing:

Lindelof needs to start growing as a writer... Like, right now.

http://badassdigest.com/2012/06/17/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-damon-lind
leof-intervention
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The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:01 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
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Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


That was great, lol. I lmao!!!!

Did he ever take a breath?


SGG

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