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The Expanse

POSTED BY: DBELL101
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Monday, January 4, 2016 2:27 AM

DBELL101


Has anybody seen this show yet. It's a good mystery that draws you in quickly.
Although I haven't read the book it's based on, it reminds me of some of Larry
Niven's Belter stories. I just wanted to alert people to a good show and get
some feedback and opinions. If you haven't heard, it comes on SYFY tuesday at
10:00 PM. You can see back episodes on their website.

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Monday, January 4, 2016 3:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Larry Niven.... 77 years old today... one of the best Sci-Fi writers EVER!

My favorite works he did were probably his collaborations with Jerry Pournelle!


They're so humble about the Hugo Awards surrounding them that you might need a TSA Agent to find them :)

"Niven's Law": There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.




If you haven't, read Footfall.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 4, 2016 3:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Sign at the End of the Universe?

This End Up! (So says a Duane that isn't The Rock)

https://scifistoryscentury.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/1974-sign-at-the-e
nd-of-the-universe-by-duane-ackerman
/

My favorite short story as a kid and one I extrapolated on in great detail on for an oral book report much to my teachers' chagrin...



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 4, 2016 9:22 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


BTW, there's only one "s" in Expanse.

Why hijack the thread, SixString? This is about The Expanse, not Niven or any other writer. The books are by Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck, writing as James S. A. Corey.

We've already been discussing books and the show here - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=2&tid=59896

This thread can be for the show, we can try to contain the other one to the books. Very much looking forward to Episode 5 tomorrow night. I've watched the pilot eight times now, the other three four times so far.



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Monday, January 4, 2016 6:44 PM

DBELL101


Sorry about the spelling.

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Monday, January 4, 2016 10:20 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


That's okay. Since you started the thread, if you go back up to your first post and click the "edit" link you can correct the spelling in the title.

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Tuesday, January 5, 2016 2:36 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Saw the first episode............interesting!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by DBELL101:
Has anybody seen this show yet. It's a good mystery that draws you in quickly.
Although I haven't read the book it's based on, it reminds me of some of Larry
Niven's Belter stories. I just wanted to alert people to a good show and get
some feedback and opinions. If you haven't heard, it comes on SYFY tuesday at
10:00 PM. You can see back issues on their website.


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Tuesday, January 5, 2016 9:17 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Episode 5 airs tonight. 1-4 still available streaming at syfy.com



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Wednesday, January 6, 2016 5:39 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


For anyone who hasn't read the books or any of the short stories, I'm hiding my comments on Episode 5: Back to the Butcher in spoiler tags.

Select to view spoiler:


I don't think it was a good idea to have Fred Johnson's backstory in this episode, or at least not in the way they presented it. First, that wasn't in the first novel, it was in the short story "The Butcher of Anderson Station." Second, the events were altered from the story. Third, the flashback slowed down the pace they had developed in the two previous episodes. It would have been better for them to get to Tycho Station first, and have the flashback next week, or just fill us in on his history through dialog instead.





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Saturday, February 13, 2016 10:55 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by DBELL101:

Although I haven't read the book it's based on, it reminds me of some of Larry
Niven's Belter stories. I just wanted to alert people to a good show and get
some feedback and opinions. If you haven't heard, it comes on SYFY tuesday at
10:00 PM. You can see back issues on their website.

The tenth and final episode of The Expanse for Season 1 ended on cliffhanger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_%28TV_series%29#Episodes

Season 2 starts in January 2017.
www.syfy.com/theexpanse/videos/the-expanse-season-2-arrives-in-january



Without reading the books, Shawn Overman makes predictions about future episodes starting at 59:50. As a viewer, my opinion is that it’s better not to know before the characters know. Let it be a surprise.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 13, 2016 1:50 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


It was inevitable it would end on a cliffhanger, no matter how far into the first book they got. Even with the additional characters and scenarios that were not in the book, they altered the sequence of some events that were. As it is, they made it approximately 70-75% through Leviathan Wakes.



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Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:38 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


EC - No doubt you have seen some of the previews for the soon-to-be-here season 2, or maybe you turned away to avoid being spoiled?

Anyway - I'm trying not to get too excited as season 1 needed some help. I think I'll try and carve out some time to re-watch it just to get back up to speed before the season 2 "double premiere" Feb 1. I see in the promos they are trying to tap the Firefly fanbase, something like, "Best TV Science Fiction since Firefly," or some such.

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Tuesday, January 3, 2017 11:40 AM

MOOSE




Been watching it on Amazon, an episode here and there. Enjoying it and looking forward to season 2.

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Tuesday, January 3, 2017 11:40 AM

MOOSE


Full auto posting!

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Tuesday, January 3, 2017 11:40 AM

MOOSE


Eyup.

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Tuesday, January 3, 2017 12:58 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:


Been watching it on Amazon, an episode here and there. Enjoying it and looking forward to season 2.



Wow - Firefly and George Martin!

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Tuesday, January 24, 2017 7:10 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Based upon this thread, I checked the first season out from the library. By the time I'd had it 2 weeks, 2 people were waiting for it.

At the rate the prime characters get killed off, how many more episodes can they last?

Although some similarities to Firefly, definitely not up to par from my POV. The spacefaring plots are worthy, but the gravity well politics drag.

Thanks for the head's-up, I'm glad I checked it out myself.

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Sunday, January 29, 2017 11:43 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


JSF - glad you got a chance to watch it. I agree, it's definitely not Firefly. It has a different grit and is much darker imho, than FF was. I enjoyed the books more than the show, but overall, I think the show is a solid contribution to the Science Fiction tv landscape.

Season 2 is coming! Here's a story from Wired about the show, and what kind of new contributions it makes to scifi shows:

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/geeks-guide-the-expanse-season-2/

"SEASON 2 OF The Expanse premieres February 1 on Syfy. The show features colorful characters, sharp dialogue, and complex political machinations, but what really sets it apart from other sci-fi TV is the realistic way that it handles gravity and orbital trajectories. Much of the credit for that goes to showrunner Naren Shankar, who holds a PhD in physics and engineering from Cornell.

“Most space battles are just re-hashes of World War II fighter battles in the Pacific,” Shankar says in Episode 240 of the Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy podcast. “And that’s fine, if they want to be that kind of a fantasy, but I find great beauty in the way the ships move in our show.”

Much in the way Whedon tried to be faithful to some realities of space (no sound in space), this show goes even further. Fingers crossed.

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Monday, January 30, 2017 3:43 AM

DBELL101


And three weeks later my agent says, ‘Read this script. I really think you should.’ And I scroll to the bottom, and that’s when I saw that it was written by the guys who wrote Children of Men, a movie that I think is terrific.

I didn't know that this was the same duo that wrote Children of Men. I loved that movie!

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Monday, January 30, 2017 7:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
JSF - glad you got a chance to watch it. I agree, it's definitely not Firefly. It has a different grit and is much darker imho, than FF was. I enjoyed the books more than the show, but overall, I think the show is a solid contribution to the Science Fiction tv landscape.

Season 2 is coming! Here's a story from Wired about the show, and what kind of new contributions it makes to scifi shows:

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/geeks-guide-the-expanse-season-2/

"SEASON 2 OF The Expanse premieres February 1 on Syfy. The show features colorful characters, sharp dialogue, and complex political machinations, but what really sets it apart from other sci-fi TV is the realistic way that it handles gravity and orbital trajectories. Much of the credit for that goes to showrunner Naren Shankar, who holds a PhD in physics and engineering from Cornell.

“Most space battles are just re-hashes of World War II fighter battles in the Pacific,” Shankar says in Episode 240 of the Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy podcast. “And that’s fine, if they want to be that kind of a fantasy, but I find great beauty in the way the ships move in our show.”

Much in the way Whedon tried to be faithful to some realities of space (no sound in space), this show goes even further. Fingers crossed.


I have not seen the books. Do they cover only season one? Are they less dark? Often in books I can skip past parts I don't care about, such as the politics as portrayed in the series.
What reasons did you prefer the books for this story?

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Wednesday, February 1, 2017 12:38 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have not seen the books. Do they cover only season one? Are they less dark? Often in books I can skip past parts I don't care about, such as the politics as portrayed in the series.
What reasons did you prefer the books for this story?



There are 6 books, more on the way. I'm not 100% if book one = season 1. I believe it's close.

1 Leviathan Wakes 561 June 15, 2011 ISBN 978-0-316-12908-4
2 Caliban's War 595 June 26, 2012 ISBN 978-1-841-49990-1
3 Abaddon's Gate 539 June 4, 2013 ISBN 978-0-316-12907-7
4 Cibola Burn 583 June 17, 2014 ISBN 978-0-316-21762-0
5 Nemesis Games 544 June 2, 2015 ISBN 978-0-316-21758-3
6 Babylon's Ashes[5] 608 December 6, 2016[6] ISBN 978-0-316-33474-7 (UK: ISBN 978-0-356-50426-1)
7 Persepolis Rising[7] forthcoming 2017
8 Unknown forthcoming 2018
9[5] Unknown forthcoming 2019

They are by no means less dark, but that is up to your imagination to some extent - you are your own location scout and set designer and casting director, so what you feel will be unique.

I never skip past anything in a book - I just don't. I feel that would be disrespecting the author's work. I'd rather just not read it than skip parts. That's just me.

Books allow for greater, longer, deeper introspection and consideration imho. However, with today's great sfx, Tv/films can often out do my imagination visually and sound-wise. You can see that as a trade off to some extent, or you can see it as it's fantastic and we're so lucky to have both. I choose the latter.

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Thursday, February 2, 2017 6:15 PM

AMDOBELL


Quote:

Originally posted by DBELL101:
Has anybody seen this show yet. It's a good mystery that draws you in quickly.
Although I haven't read the book it's based on, it reminds me of some of Larry
Niven's Belter stories. I just wanted to alert people to a good show and get
some feedback and opinions. If you haven't heard, it comes on SYFY tuesday at
10:00 PM. You can see back episodes on their website.



I haven't seen "Expanse" yet. I am in the UK and as far as I was aware it went straight to Netfix which I do not have. The books are fabulous, wonderful writing. There are six in the series so far by James S. A. Corey - Leviathan Wakes, Caliban's War, Abadon's Gate, Cibola Burn, Nemesis Games and Babylon's Ashes. And I agree, Larry Niven is a great writer too. Off now to check the website. Ali D :~)
"You can't take the sky from me!"

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Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:46 PM

CALHOUN


Episode 4 of season one is my favourite. That's the one where the MCRN Battleship Donnager comes under attack from unknown ships. Awesome space battle physics and special effects. The martian marines are pretty cool too.
Its the episode where the Rocinante is introduced.

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