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So Joss Whedon tried to save Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and kinda fails? 'Justice League' was a box office flop?

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Saturday, November 25, 2017 9:22 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Seen the movie its ok, some ok moments with the actors and good entertaining explosions and action scenes but something is bad, its good and correct at times but also wrong... i don't know if this film is worth the money, it has some good scenes, like entertaining moments you might find in a movie trailer but I don't think its very good as a movie, something is wrong, its very forgettable

A new Pixar Disney distributed kids movie has already knocked it down to number 2 spot

I know these characters and scifi franchises but I would call myself more of a 'casual fan' rather than a real fan

For firefly fans we know Joss and Joss was involved in this universe, he has been at Marvel writing comics like Xmen and directing movies like Avengers
there were rumors of Warner Bros or DC trying to get Joss for a while
http://nerdrepository.com/rumor-joss-whedon-talks-direct-flashsupergir
l-musical-crossover
/

The strange Snyder vision?



Can't really blame Joss for....lots of factors conspired and it may have been doomed from day one

The Warner Bros DC cinematic Universe or DC extended movie universe featuring Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman and all those other characters has kinda failed.

they have difficulties, the director Snyder lost his daughter

The History of the Cola Wars or Marvel vs DC?

Warner Bros could be in trouble? they once were top dog used to have huge box office franchise films, Lord of the Rings, the Harry Potters, the Matrix....those films ran their course
at one time Warner Bros was the only game in town with the comicbook super hero world, they had the campy Adam West and Wonder Woman tv show, the Saturday morning cartoons Justice League, they had Richard Donner and Christoper Reeves, the Tim Burton movies, the Nolan films with Neeson, Heath Ledger, and finishing on the Dark Knight Rises with Christian Bale, Tom Hardy, Anne Hathaway .

Along come other studios making a comeback as Warner Bros celebrated rolling around in their money made at the box office blockbusters, the James Bond movies are revamped over the years, Star Wars comes back and Fox buy the rights to Marvels Xmen when Marvel was almost bust, when they went backrupt in the 90s they sold off characters like Professor X, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops etc. Marvel themselves launched their own studio the past 10 yrs and the movie with Ironman is a huge hit...nine years ago at the end credits in the Iron Man movie (2008) they put an after credits scene Tony Stark with Nick Fury...it sent shockwaves and a buzz around the comic-con culture, buzz around the world across the internet and the cinema box office game has never been the same since, and Disney recently bought Marvel making the company even bigger than before, t-shirts, video games, mugs, broadway, theme park rides you name it.

The one regret I have here is not fully investing.....like being some smart business guy, not buying enough in Marvel, I mean with a few thousand you could buy into them, eat up those shares and watch their product skyrocket?
its a hockey stick investment
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchises/

I know some people are big into their geek nerd dom scifi universe I dunno the whole Marvel vs DC, Fox vs WB, Pepsi vs Cola, don't really pick sides, Kmart vs Walmart, Dueling Franchise Products ...I will buy whatever product is good or entertains...in the end they will probably go 'Shexxon' or this whole global corporate one enity thing you see in scifi like Firefly

The Wonder Woman movie recently by WB DC got good critical sucess, it was well recieved by critics and fans

I liked the Batman movies, the Tim Burton ones with Keaton and the recent Nolan films are classic
for some reason Warner Bros decided to make everything dark like say Batman or that Marvel 'Daredevil' show
Zack Snyder was directing many of the DC movies, he already had some critical sucess with the cult favorite Watchmen, his Batman vs Superman movie got mixed reception, Snyder's daughter Autumn Snyder died by suicide in at age 20....he then stepped away from the movie and Joss took over, writing new material and ordering reshoots of certain scenes
you can see the changes to the movies color, tone and dialogue onscreen while at the same time it does not feel the movie has to different directors, their is enough skill to make this part of the movie seem smooth

Overall the movie does not work, Justice League is tiresome, even the kids will be bored....wait for the tv movies, the DVD, the on demand downloads...

DC Warner Bros Justice League, the petition to get a “director’s cut” of a Synder-only version of the film has now reached over 100k signatures.

Oh yeah and depending on how you count the numbers up? Justice League Production may have cost as much as 350 million to make the movie!! an insane figure! I mean who the heck spends that much money? it sounds like it may have been its destiny to flop. Justice League could lose Warner Bros millions according to projection at websites like box office mojo etc The JUSTICE LEAGUE movie is set to lose as much as $100 million, a big loss reported following the Warner Bros DC film’s box office flop.

Now things might turn around yet....some movies start bad but have great legs or 'staying power' going the distance...others seem to be able to make money back overseas like say Europe, Canada, S.Korea, China, Australia etc but everything so far might point another bad bomb, a box office turkey...all signs point to a flop? The Aquaman star Jason Momoa hit back after bad reviews and poor box office for Justice League.
The recent report on movies in Forbes breaking down what the actual costs of the film are likely to have been including an estimated $150 marketing budget, suggests that, after much number crunching, the movie might end up facing a loss of $50-$100 million for Warner Bros.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=dcuni.htm
Out of all recent Warner Bros DC movies the new Superman Man of Steel, the Batman v Superman movie, that weird Suicide Squad film and the new Wonder Woman movie....Justice League is set to be the biggest loser of them all

A Pixar, Disney distributed cartoony Mexican CGI movie named 'Coco' now beats Justice League down to second place at the Black Friday box office

DC superhero team up is going to make a whopping loss...easily defeated by the Third movie in the Thor film franchise.

The vocal segment of DC movie fans go crazy across the internetz, lost their minds when Whedon liked this tweet by Vanity Fair senior writer (and prolific podcaster) Joanna Robinson. Witness the Joss Whedon Steppenwolf tweet debacle of 2017:

#JusticeLeague’s Steppenwolf is the worst comic book movie villain of all time and not even Malekith the Accursed comes close. pic.twitter.com/gU59uaT4Ud

Joss Whedon Likes Tweet Bashing Justice League Villain
... is just agreeing saying I tried but failed? is he playing around? even trolling? or should he have been allowed do more reshoots?
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/justice-league/news/a843204/joss-whed
on-steppenwolf-justice-league-twitter-mistake-criticism
/
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Saturday, November 25, 2017 10:12 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Seen the movie its ok, some ok moments with the actors and good entertaining explosions and action scenes but something is bad, its good and correct at times but also wrong... i don't know if this film is worth the money, it has some good scenes, like entertaining moments you might find in a movie trailer but I don't think its very good as a movie, something is wrong, its very forgettable

A new Pixar Disney distributed kids movie has already knocked it down to number 2 spot

I know these characters and scifi franchises but I would call myself more of a 'casual fan' rather than a real fan

For firefly fans we know Joss and Joss was involved in this universe, he has been at Marvel writing comics like Xmen and directing movies like Avengers
there were rumors of Warner Bros or DC trying to get Joss for a while
http://nerdrepository.com/rumor-joss-whedon-talks-direct-flashsupergir
l-musical-crossover
/

The strange Snyder vision?



Can't really blame Joss for....lots of factors conspired and it may have been doomed from day one

The Warner Bros DC cinematic Universe or DC extended movie universe featuring Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman and all those other characters has kinda failed.

they have difficulties, the director Snyder lost his daughter

The History of the Cola Wars or Marvel vs DC?

Warner Bros could be in trouble? they once were top dog used to have huge box office franchise films, Lord of the Rings, the Harry Potters, the Matrix....those films ran their course
at one time Warner Bros was the only game in town with the comicbook super hero world, they had the campy Adam West and Wonder Woman tv show, the Saturday morning cartoons Justice League, they had Richard Donner and Christoper Reeves, the Tim Burton movies, the Nolan films with Neeson, Heath Ledger, and finishing on the Dark Knight Rises with Christian Bale, Tom Hardy, Anne Hathaway .

Along come other studios making a comeback as Warner Bros celebrated rolling around in their money made at the box office blockbusters, the James Bond movies are revamped over the years, Star Wars comes back and Fox buy the rights to Marvels Xmen when Marvel was almost bust, when they went backrupt in the 90s they sold off characters like Professor X, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops etc. Marvel themselves launched their own studio the past 10 yrs and the movie with Ironman is a huge hit...nine years ago at the end credits in the Iron Man movie (2008) they put an after credits scene Tony Stark with Nick Fury...it sent shockwaves and a buzz around the comic-con culture, buzz around the world across the internet and the cinema box office game has never been the same since, and Disney recently bought Marvel making the company even bigger than before, t-shirts, video games, mugs, broadway, theme park rides you name it.

The one regret I have here is not fully investing.....like being some smart business guy, not buying enough in Marvel, I mean with a few thousand you could buy into them, eat up those shares and watch their product skyrocket?
its a hockey stick investment
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchises/

I know some people are big into their geek nerd dom scifi universe I dunno the whole Marvel vs DC, Fox vs WB, Pepsi vs Cola, don't really pick sides, Kmart vs Walmart, Dueling Franchise Products ...I will buy whatever product is good or entertains...in the end they will probably go 'Shexxon' or this whole global corporate one enity thing you see in scifi like Firefly

The Wonder Woman movie recently by WB DC got good critical sucess, it was well recieved by critics and fans

I liked the Batman movies, the Tim Burton ones with Keaton and the recent Nolan films are classic
for some reason Warner Bros decided to make everything dark like say Batman or that Marvel 'Daredevil' show
Zack Snyder was directing many of the DC movies, he already had some critical sucess with the cult favorite Watchmen, his Batman vs Superman movie got mixed reception, Snyder's daughter Autumn Snyder died by suicide in at age 20....he then stepped away from the movie and Joss took over, writing new material and ordering reshoots of certain scenes
you can see the changes to the movies color, tone and dialogue onscreen while at the same time it does not feel the movie has to different directors, their is enough skill to make this part of the movie seem smooth

Overall the movie does not work, Justice League is tiresome, even the kids will be bored....wait for the tv movies, the DVD, the on demand downloads...

DC Warner Bros Justice League, the petition to get a “director’s cut” of a Synder-only version of the film has now reached over 100k signatures.

Oh yeah and depending on how you count the numbers up? Justice League Production may have cost as much as 350 million to make the movie!! an insane figure! I mean who the heck spends that much money? it sounds like it may have been its destiny to flop. Justice League could lose Warner Bros millions according to projection at websites like box office mojo etc The JUSTICE LEAGUE movie is set to lose as much as $100 million, a big loss reported following the Warner Bros DC film’s box office flop.

Now things might turn around yet....some movies start bad but have great legs or 'staying power' going the distance...others seem to be able to make money back overseas like say Europe, Canada, S.Korea, China, Australia etc but everything so far might point another bad bomb, a box office turkey...all signs point to a flop? The Aquaman star Jason Momoa hit back after bad reviews and poor box office for Justice League.
The recent report on movies in Forbes breaking down what the actual costs of the film are likely to have been including an estimated $150 marketing budget, suggests that, after much number crunching, the movie might end up facing a loss of $50-$100 million for Warner Bros.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=dcuni.htm
Out of all recent Warner Bros DC movies the new Superman Man of Steel, the Batman v Superman movie, that weird Suicide Squad film and the new Wonder Woman movie....Justice League is set to be the biggest loser of them all

A Pixar, Disney distributed cartoony Mexican CGI movie named 'Coco' now beats Justice League down to second place at the Black Friday box office

DC superhero team up is going to make a whopping loss...easily defeated by the Third movie in the Thor film franchise.

The vocal segment of DC movie fans go crazy across the internetz, lost their minds when Whedon liked this tweet by Vanity Fair senior writer (and prolific podcaster) Joanna Robinson. Witness the Joss Whedon Steppenwolf tweet debacle of 2017:

#JusticeLeague’s Steppenwolf is the worst comic book movie villain of all time and not even Malekith the Accursed comes close. pic.twitter.com/gU59uaT4Ud

Joss Whedon Likes Tweet Bashing Justice League Villain
... is just agreeing saying I tried but failed? is he playing around? even trolling? or should he have been allowed do more reshoots?
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/justice-league/news/a843204/joss-whed
on-steppenwolf-justice-league-twitter-mistake-criticism
/
?

Shirley they were trying to lose money. Why else cast bafflack?

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Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:00 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Warner Bros or DC is now a very ricky investment

I dunno if you can blame it all on Batleck, I find he does ok Ben Affleck is a pretty good Batman but the story and script kinda suck in these movies

Warner Bros and DC had this problem before, a huge over blown budget on Superman Returns

that one was a Superman revamp directed by Bryan Singer directed, Brandon Routh, Kate Bosworth and that guy people now suspect of criminality Kevin Spacey who played Lex Luthor.. .Spacey after this whole Weinstien thing is accused of being a child molesting pedophile

as for if its a 'Flop'

I still find it strange that a movie which opens with 90+ Million can be considered a flop

Justice League is finally here and there is A LOT to dig into with this film. As a fan of these comic book movie genre films, I know that there’s a lot riding on this movie. This isn’t simply a matter of being entertained. Because it is my belief that the success/failure of this movie will potentially alter the direction of the future movies we’ll be getting from WB/DC. There is without question going to be a lot of debate over this film. It will be incredibly divisive. I’m fully anticipating the same or similar reactions and fall out from Batman V Superman to happen here with Justice League.
http://www.themovieblog.com/2017/11/justice-league-opinion/

Is Justice League Yet Another DC Flop?
https://annlyelonline.com/2017/11/15/is-justice-league-yet-another-dc-
flop
/

Which upcoming DCEU films will die if "Justice League" continues to flop?
https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/108591989.html
Given budget and box office calculations, along with marketing costs, Cinemascores, overseas takes, likely multipliers, and other confusing factors, Digital Trends assessed which films on WB/DC's ambitious upcoming slate are most likely to suffer if Justice League continues to underperform (as it almost certainly will).

$96M opening weekend......FLOP confirmed!
https://moviechat.org/tt0974015/Justice-League/5a11a24339d0810012ca0e3
6/dollar96M-opening-weekendFLOP-confirmed


Justice League DISASTER: You won’t BELIEVE how many MILLIONS the DC flop is set to lose
http://filmfast.co.uk/news/justice-league-disaster-you-wont-believe-ho
w-many-millions-the-dc-flop-is-set-to-lose
/

Justice League Turns into Box Office Flop
https://productwatch.co/justice-league-turns-box-office-flop/

Box Office: ‘Justice League’ Opens With Gloomy $96 Million in North America

Reviewers have not been impressed with “Justice League,” which carries a 40% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Its opening comes two weeks after Disney-Marvel’s “Thor: Ragnarok” debuted above forecasts with a $122.7 million opening weekend in what was the fourth-biggest launch of the year.
http://itsbx.com/redirect/?url=https://www.google.com/amp/variety.com/
2017/film/news/box-office-justice-league-opens-1202618465/amp/#ampshare=http://variety.com/2017/film/news/box-office-justice-league-opens-1202618465
/

So it's safe to say Justice League = flop?
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/206-comics-and-graphic-novels/76005673

the playstation xbox looking villain?
https://twitter.com/DCEUNews/status/933521956913143808

The first that this superhero squad makes the big screen lands as a dud

It's Official: Justice League flops with $96 million opening Weekend

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Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I actually liked Daredevil the movie. I know... I might be the only person who did. My brother says I'm an idiot. I dunno.

I've never seen him as Batman, so I'll reserve judgement for now. I'll just say everybody was in an uproar when Mr. Mom was cast to play Batman in 1989 and to this day I still think that Keaton's Batman was the best of all of them.

I'd be curious to see what happens when Joss has complete creative control of a DC franchise from start to finish, rather than trying to clean up Zach Snyder's depressing and dark mess. Marvel is still killing it. Even though I'm bored of Super Heroes now, at least you aren't depressed watching a Marvel flick.

I think Ben Afflek could probably be a decent Batman if he had good direction. He'd at least be as good as Val Kilmer, and he'd have to be better than Clooney.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:36 AM

ZEEK


Ben Affleck probably is right around the level of Val Kilmer as Batman. That's of course not a good thing. He just doesn't have the commanding presence that Batman needs. He's just sorta an everyday guy talking. The lines he has to say aren't even written in the way humans speak so it really just doesn't work. That's not all his fault of course.

The movie was just plain bad. The action scenes were just bad CGI explosion fests where nothing felt significant. I mean would anyone care if any of the heroes other than Wonder Woman died? Not me because the other heroes aren't likable. Even the over the top awkward Flash just feels ridiculous. Old school WWF wrestler Aquaman was comically bad. "My man!" "I dig it!" And there giving him a stand alone movie? yikes.

They need better characters and fast. The Marvel movies work because they start with the characters and then build a story around them. So, even if the plot falls a bit flat the characters are fun and you care about seeing them succeed. They also keep the tone light hearted so if there's some stuff that wouldn't happen in the real world it isn't too jarring. The DC movies seem to start with a concept like "what does it feel like to be an alien on earth?" and then they just sorta throw some action around that and then have Superman make "I think I pooped myself face" a lot. That's not a recipe for a good movie. I think Justice League was trying to explore the concept of leadership and selflessness. I get the impression Joss came in and was like "omg this isn't even a movie I have to find a way to make this entertaining to an audience" and it ended up doing neither well.

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Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:50 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I guess I didn't follow. So Zack Snyder directed, and then when finished, Jose was sent invto make the film better? Is that how it was?
As director or as writer?

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Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:15 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I guess I didn't follow. So Zack Snyder directed, and then when finished, Jose was sent invto make the film better? Is that how it was?
As director or as writer?



Zack Snyder directed but had a death in the family before reshoots were finished. He tried to power through but eventually said he just couldn't do it and they brought in Joss to finish up. Rumor has it Joss decided to do extensive reshoots and edit out a lot of scenes.

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Friday, December 1, 2017 3:34 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I guess I didn't follow. So Zack Snyder directed, and then when finished, Jose was sent invto make the film better? Is that how it was?
As director or as writer?



Zack Snyder directed but had a death in the family before reshoots were finished. He tried to power through but eventually said he just couldn't do it and they brought in Joss to finish up. Rumor has it Joss decided to do extensive reshoots and edit out a lot of scenes.

I wonder if reshoots involved more Gal Gadot and less bafflac - that must certainly be improvement.

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Saturday, December 2, 2017 11:39 AM

WHOZIT


The reason it's not doing well is because it's a story that's been told many times before, a group of hero's get together to fight a foe, there's an epic battle and some witty one liners. The next Justice League will have the same story with a different villain. Joss did the best with what they dumped into his lap.

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Monday, December 4, 2017 11:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I think that's why I've soured on Super Hero movies in general, and why the Marvel movies aren't doing anything for me either. It's kind of just like watching the same movie over and over again with a different wrapper.

At least with the Netflix shows, there is a lot more character development and they seem to have more going for them, although I didn't like or even finish Luke Cage and I have yet to see Iron Fist.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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