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I was just wondering about The Slayer....

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:34 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


In a way this is a mute point given that there are many Slayers now, but I was thinking what would have happened had a Slayer fallen into a coma indefinitely. As Faith did, but without the world having a second Slayer?... Would vampires and demons and evil have been free to roam the earth? Would it not therefore have been more shrewd of the Vampire race to put a Slayer into a Coma, rather than kill her and cause rise to another 'new' Slayer?...

Just wondered....

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:55 AM

DEEPGIRL187


That is a good point. There was no new Slayer called during Faith's stint as coma-girl. But then again, I've never credited the demonic community with an overabundance of brains (well, except maybe Lorne).

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:29 AM

THEREALME


The Watcher Council would probably arrange for an accident so that a new Slayer would arise.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:59 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Quote:

Originally posted by TheRealMe:
The Watcher Council would probably arrange for an accident so that a new Slayer would arise.



Ohh.. I like that. That's a good paranoia plot line.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:17 PM

SERENITYINSCOTLAND


Nothing paranoid about it! They would do it for sure.

As for the two watchers we know...Wesley would do it for sure. He's shown numerous times he values the greater good over single lives/happiness. Willow in 'Choices', the freedom fighters on Pylea, Faith in 'Orpheus'. Would Giles do it? Not concerning Buffy of course, but as an assignment handed to him by the Council. I think it's an interesting question - think of his reactions to Dawn and Ben in 'The Gift', or even Spike in 'Lies My Parents Told Me' (although thats a slighter thornier issue - his graveyard speech to Buffy is relevant to it).


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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:25 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Quote:

Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
Nothing paranoid about it! They would do it for sure.

As for the two watchers we know...Wesley would do it for sure. He's shown numerous times he values the greater good over single lives/happiness. Willow in 'Choices', the freedom fighters on Pylea, Faith in 'Orpheus'. Would Giles do it? Not concerning Buffy of course, but as an assignment handed to him by the Council. I think it's an interesting question - think of his reactions to Dawn and Ben in 'The Gift', or even Spike in 'Lies My Parents Told Me' (although thats a slighter thornier issue - his graveyard speech to Buffy is relevant to it).



Yes I totally agree. I was meaning paranoia from the scoobies. As in the show sets it all up to suggest the gang are getting paranoid. I like it, i think that would have been a great device to put Buffy & Co through. In fact now I think of it, there could have been an entire season to suggest the Council are the BIG BAD....

Joss....bring back Buffy!!!!

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:44 PM

THEREALME


In my mind, the Watcher Council believed that the actions that they took benefited the greater good. However, they were also very "practical" and could be ruthless. We saw them a couple of times in action, and they aways came off (to me) as pompous holier-than-thou twits.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:05 PM

DEEPGIRL187


Quote:

Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
Nothing paranoid about it! They would do it for sure.

As for the two watchers we know...Wesley would do it for sure. He's shown numerous times he values the greater good over single lives/happiness. Willow in 'Choices', the freedom fighters on Pylea, Faith in 'Orpheus'.



It depends on the Slayer. I think that Wesley has learned over the years that some tough decisions like that one are not worth making. So if the Slayer in question were Faith, I think that now he wouldn't be able to do it. As for Giles, the same applies. If it were Buffy, he wouldn't be able to go through with it.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:06 PM

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I agree. They really are that creepy. Like the current administration.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:47 AM

SERENITYINSCOTLAND


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:

It depends on the Slayer. I think that Wesley has learned over the years that some tough decisions like that one are not worth making. So if the Slayer in question were Faith, I think that now he wouldn't be able to do it. As for Giles, the same applies. If it were Buffy, he wouldn't be able to go through with it.




Wesley would do it if it was Faith. Spoilers for Angel S4:

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He was ready to sacrifice Faith in 'Release' by shooting her up with orpheus and feeding her to Angelus. This was the last real contact Wes had with Faith, barring a nod and "Faith" at the end of 'Orpheus', and so I see no reason why Wesley would have had a major shift in his thinking concerning Faith.
And if he didn't even know the slayer in question, he wouldn't hesitate. I guess you're referring to his decision to steal Conner when you say "decisions like that one are not worth making" - his decision there was based on his belief he was saving people (namely Conner and Angel) he knew by causing them hurt in the shortish term. To kill a girl in a coma who was a stranger to him to allow a new slayer to arise who would save hundreds of lives - to Wesley that wouldn't be a choice at all.




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Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:15 AM

DEEPGIRL187


I understand your point, but look at things this way:

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Like I said before, I think that Wes knows that some sacrifices aren't worth making. To illustrate that idea, look at the case of Fred and Illyria. Yes, they were trying to save her life, but if Wes were really as practical as you believe, he would have just killed her to prevent Illyria from being reborn. Sacrifices have to be made to save others, but if you can sacrifice the people you care about with barely a thought, you don't really belong on the hero list.



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Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:29 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Wesley I always found to be a failure. From the very start to the very end. His inability to communicate to his colleagues often furthered a problem and placed the team in great danger. The height of his incompetence to my mind was his interpretation of the Connor/Angel dilemna. Rather than engage his team, who had on countless of occasions proven themselves, he felt it wiser to take the matter into his own hands. Destroying the harmony within the gang, and fracturing the very 'ethos' of what Angel had become.

I think Wesley would have sacrificed a Slayer or Slayers if it came to that.


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Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:42 AM

DEEPGIRL187


Sheesh, this has turned into the Wesley-bashing thread. Not trying to be mean, but was he really that bad? But then, Angel was more my show than Buffy, so maybe I'm biased.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:26 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Sheesh, this has turned into the Wesley-bashing thread. Not trying to be mean, but was he really that bad? But then, Angel was more my show than Buffy, so maybe I'm biased.



He,he. Yes it has somewhat hasn't it. Not intended. I used to watch Angel with two good friends and they both used to love Wesley, at least stubble Wesley. Me I found him funny when he was goofy, but thereafter when he was cool Wes he was a bleeding menace!

None saw it though... I just had to sit and role my eyes. He wasn't that bad but I couldn't understand why it was never brought up.

As for favourites, in truth I just can't pick one. I love them both as I watched them. Basically I can't have one without the other they're both so good.



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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:27 AM

SERENITYINSCOTLAND


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Sheesh, this has turned into the Wesley-bashing thread. Not trying to be mean, but was he really that bad? But then, Angel was more my show than Buffy, so maybe I'm biased.



I would never belong in the Wes bashing fan club, he is my favourite Joss character. But he doesn't fit into the "hero" category of the Joss-verse very well, brave and self-sacrificing though he may be.

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As for your point about him killing Fred to prevent Illyria arising...he wasn't entirely sure what was happening there. As soon as he established Fred was really gone, what was the first thing he did, without hesitation? Swing the axe into Illyria's head. And killing Fred to save the world from Illyria - I can't quite remember, but did Illyria kill a single human? I don't think she did, and eventually did some good in the end. So I don't think you can equate Wes not killing Fred, and causing death by proxy, with for example, Angel locking the lawyers in with Darla and Dru - he didn't kill anyone either, just helped it along.




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