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Is Adam Baldwin nice or a jerk?

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Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:50 AM

JKRFAN7


Adam Baldwin is one of my favorite actors but I'm very hesitant about meeting him. I've heard that he's really nice but then I read his twitter account which kinda gives a different impression.

Has anyone met him and if so what was your opinion?

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Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:11 AM

BYTEMITE


What you might've read from his twitter is that he's conservative and likes guns (I think?), but that doesn't make someone a bad person. He even sent some notes of support to Sean when he came out if I remember rightly.

Plays Halo with Nathan and Alan too. He's just a red blooded guy with an acting career, nothing to be nervous about.

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Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:21 AM

STORYMARK


Maybe just dont bring up politics.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:43 AM

MOOSE


I love this vid. (I hope it works since I'm on my phone.)



Even though he gets blindsided with the question about a 30yr old movie, he instantly responds with praise for his costars. Which I find to be pretty dang cool.

(although, he does mention Bill Maher with gritted teeth.)

It also anwers the question about his feelings about guns.

Also check this out:
http://www.profj.org/luxlucre/2of9.html
I wish the original OB post was still around.

Of all the BDHs I'd like to meet, he tops the list.
(with everyone else in a very close tie in second place.)

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Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:15 PM

WHOZIT


He's a Conservative Libertarian so my guess he's a jerk, all the liberals who come to this site will agree. All Conservatives are jerks.

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Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:24 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I can only judge by the time I met him myself. He was extremely nice and seemed genuinely happy to be there and to meet the fans. Please note, this comment is from someone who is probably the exact opposite of Adam politically.




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Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:12 PM

MAL4PREZ


I'm also the exact opposite politically, but I was at the Firefly con that was cancelled in 2007. Adam showed up and had beers in the hotel bar with the disappointed fans. I got there just as he was leaving, so I didn't get to chat with him, but he shook my hand and was friendly as hell.

Whatever his politics, he seemed like a good guy. IMHO, there's absolutely no need to be nervous about meeting him.

And can I just add a note about how hypnotic his blue eyes are in person? I don't crush on Jayne, so I wasn't expecting it, but this man has some wicked intense eyes.

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Friday, August 23, 2013 2:06 AM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
And can I just add a note about how hypnotic his blue eyes are in person? I don't crush on Jayne, so I wasn't expecting it, but this man has some wicked intense eyes.

Everybody here realizes Adam Baldwin is a good actor and can fake whatever he needs to be if a comic book convention paid him enough? Right?

Check his twitter stream: http://twitter.com/adambaldwin
Some Adam Baldwin news: Saddam Hussein did too have WMDs because they are now in Syria, Obamacare will fail, it's only fair that Dick Cheney's daughter should be a Senator, and bigotry is his constitutional right. All stories Adam choose to tweet.

Cunning Adam thinks that if he does not comment in detail on a news story he tweets, he has plausible deniablity. "I'm just passing on the news," he'd say, but if you click on enough links in his tweets you don't get News, you get an image of the real Adam, not the fake Adam.

Good acting, Adam. You the best patriot, ever. Would you autograph my handguns?

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Friday, August 23, 2013 3:18 AM

JKRFAN7


See this is what I mean....

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Friday, August 23, 2013 4:24 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Some Adam Baldwin news: Saddam Hussein did too have WMDs because they are now in Syria, Obamacare will fail, it's only fair that Dick Cheney's daughter should be a Senator, and bigotry is his constitutional right. All stories Adam choose to tweet.


Eh, look, some of my family still believes Iraq was necessary - and while we don't know if the chemical weapons were from Iraq or if they're producing them there, chemical weapons are technically WMD. And we KNOW Saddam was gassing his own people. What Iraq didn't have and never had was Yellow Cake Uranium for nukes, which is what the war was sold on.

And as for bigotry... technically it IS a constitutional right, it's called freedom of speech. Adam might be one of those guys who complains about political correctness and might aspire to be Archie Bunker, but that STILL doesn't make someone a bad person. Hell, my DAD makes racist comments because he thinks the shocked reactions are funny as hell. It's mostly just annoying more than anything.

If you had to dislike everyone who ever says inappropriate things about other groups, that would be a lot of people in the world to dislike. So long as people aren't threatening other people, there's not much to be outraged about.

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Friday, August 23, 2013 4:55 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Eh, look, some of my family still believes Iraq was necessary - and while we don't know if the chemical weapons were from Iraq or if they're producing them there, chemical weapons are technically WMD. And we KNOW Saddam was gassing his own people. What Iraq didn't have and never had was Yellow Cake Uranium for nukes, which is what the war was sold on.

The news article was for stirring up trouble. Adam doesn't like that Obama has not sent US troops into Syria. Adam can have opinions, but what a bonehead, which is his constitutional right. Even though he has played at being a soldier and officer, he knows nothing.

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Friday, August 23, 2013 5:10 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by two:
Everybody here realizes Adam Baldwin is a good actor and can fake whatever he needs to be if a comic book convention paid him enough? Right?



Sadly I wonder if this is a big part of his "nice guy" persona.

I've worked with an organizer of CSTS quite a few times. We got Ron Glass to come to one of our screenings. We've tried to get others. When I mentioned Adam I was told that his agent wanted more money than the event pulls in. Our even is usually one of the top earners every year. So, that was no small sum of money for a charity event.

That being said I've never met the guy and his agent is not him. It's possible he doesn't even know that someone was interested in having him at CSTS and if he knew he'd tell his agent to make us a better deal. All I know is he had the highest asking price according to the organizer. Not too classy in my book.

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Friday, August 23, 2013 6:15 AM

JKRFAN7


This is making me even more hesitant to meet him.

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Friday, August 23, 2013 6:20 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by Zeek:
That being said I've never met the guy and his agent is not him. It's possible . . . if he knew he'd tell his agent to make us a better deal. All I know is he had the highest asking price according to the organizer. Not too classy in my book.

Adam wakes early this morning and tweets, using a news article as his cover, I am disgusted with President Obama. Adam can play nice if he can have his agent or an editorial headline be a braying jackass for him. Adam is so very cunning.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 23, 2013 7:27 AM

MOOSE


Quote:

Originally posted by JKRFAN7:
This is making me even more hesitant to meet him.



Are you planning on discussing politics if you meet him?
Everything I've read or heard from people that actually meet him is that he is very gracious towards the fans. Sure, his nice guy routine very well might be an act, but that really applies to any actor or actress. They are basically paid liars.

I say if you get a chance to meet him, take it and find out for yourself.

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Friday, August 23, 2013 7:39 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by two:
Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
That being said I've never met the guy and his agent is not him. It's possible . . . if he knew he'd tell his agent to make us a better deal. All I know is he had the highest asking price according to the organizer. Not too classy in my book.

Adam wakes early this morning and tweets, using a news article as his cover, I am disgusted with President Obama. Adam can play nice if he can have his agent or an editorial headline be a braying jackass for him. Adam is so very cunning.




I'M disgusted with Obama, though probably for different reasons. Obama is a warmonger and hasn't done anything about torture.

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Friday, August 23, 2013 7:50 AM

MUTT999



Quote:

Originally posted by JKRFAN7:
This is making me even more hesitant to meet him.



How often do we get a chance to meet one of our BDH's? I've met four of them myself and could care less what their political views were. We meet them because we're fans, plain and simple. And no one was faking being nice, they really are nice!

Hey, just do what your gut tells you. But I can tell you, BDH's don't bite!




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Friday, August 23, 2013 10:31 AM

STILLFLYIN2


Quote:

Originally posted by JKRFAN7:
This is making me even more hesitant to meet him.



If it was me, I'd be thrilled at the chance to meet him!

I follow him on twitter and still don't have all that downer political baggage that some here seem to have. His end of day photos are gorgeous.

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Friday, August 23, 2013 1:49 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Quote:

Originally posted by MUTT999:

Quote:

Originally posted by JKRFAN7:
This is making me even more hesitant to meet him.



How often do we get a chance to meet one of our BDH's? I've met four of them myself and could care less what their political views were. We meet them because we're fans, plain and simple. And no one was faking being nice, they really are nice!

Hey, just do what your gut tells you. But I can tell you, BDH's don't bite!






I've met them all except for Summer, and every single one of them were very friendly and gracious to the fans, doubly so for Adam. I would never think to debate politics with him, at least not in public. He and I exchanged a few heated words on the OB years ago, but regardless of what I think, he is entitled to his opinion. Hopefully he feels the same about me.




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Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:48 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I would never think to debate politics with him, at least not in public. He and I exchanged a few heated words on the OB years ago, but regardless of what I think, he is entitled to his opinion.

This really is about substance, not just opinion. Adam Baldwin is not a nobody like me. He writes a column at breitbart.com He has followers.

Adam has a Jayne picture as his logo on twitter. All the other actors deny they're anything like their characters. Not Adam! Jayne voices his opinions and Mal still hits him in the head or Simon drugs him. Come to think, nobody respects Jayne's opinion on Serenity. Why should we?

With the excuse that it is twitter, Adam never explains the why of any opinion. He doesn't have to because the Republican party is telling him what his opinion is. That's all the reason Adam Baldwin needs. He should run for governor. He certainly is positioning himself where voters can see what he stands for.

Put Jayne in charge of Serenity? There will a mutiny.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:48 AM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by two:
Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
And can I just add a note about how hypnotic his blue eyes are in person? I don't crush on Jayne, so I wasn't expecting it, but this man has some wicked intense eyes.

Everybody here realizes Adam Baldwin is a good actor and can fake whatever he needs to be if a comic book convention paid him enough? Right?



OK, you missed the point. Quoted the wrong part of my post. The con where I met him was CANCELLED, ie there was no pay and no official reason for him to show up. It got cancelled at the last minute, so people were showing up at the airport and finding out that all events were cancelled.

Adam came to the hotel and hung out in the bar with the disappointed fans. I'm sure he didn't pay for his beers, but that's all he got out of it.

BTW, Nathan and Alan also showed up, as well as (to use character names because my memory sucks) Saffron, Badger, Tim Minear, Niska (who is the sweetest guy!) and several others. It was pretty awesome. Nathan even handed out door prizes he brought himself. I got a book that his friend wrote.

And anyway, it is possible to have a pleasant encounter with someone even if you hate their politics. Adam is capable of conversing without shoving his politics in your face. I'm sure that if that courtesy is returned, he can quite pleasant to spend a few minutes with.

It's sad that our political environment is so charged that blues fear meeting reds and vice versa. :(

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Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:04 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
OK, you missed the point. Quoted the wrong part of my post. The con where I met him was CANCELLED, ie there was no pay and no official reason for him to show up. It got cancelled at the last minute, so people were showing up at the airport and finding out that all events were cancelled.

Adam Baldwin has been cancelled before. He won't get asked to work again if he threw a tantrum about it. As an actor you're suppose to be gracious when these things happen or you never work again since the end of the job is too painful for you. Actors get to practice being gracious in public many times in their careers or else they can't have a career. Adam's career still has 20 years to run, long way from retirement.

Even though Joss Whedon knows who cancelled Firefly (and it was a person making the decision, not FOX) he never says the name or even speculates who. Why? Because he wants to keep working.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:47 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by two:
Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
OK, you missed the point. Quoted the wrong part of my post. The con where I met him was CANCELLED, ie there was no pay and no official reason for him to show up. It got cancelled at the last minute, so people were showing up at the airport and finding out that all events were cancelled.

Adam Baldwin has been cancelled before. He won't get asked to work again if he threw a tantrum about it.



There are plenty of actors who do not do cons, yet they go on to successful careers.

You seem really set on not liking Adam. There's not much I can do about it, except to say again that he showed up at that con when he didn't have to. This is not a matter of tantrum versus no tantrum. He showed up and he was pleasant. You can hate on him, but you're being unfair to suggest that he can't be perfectly pleasant to meet, or that the pleasantness doesn't count because he's an actor.

It does seem quite biased that you'll dismiss his good attitude by assigning selfish motivations. I have to wonder if you do that for all actors, or just the ones whose politics you don't approve of. But that question starts turning this into a RWED thread, so I'll just stop here. :)

jkrfan: don't stress over it. You have no reason to be nervous! I mean really, you think he's going to punch you or something? He's done this kind of thing a lot, he's professional.

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Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:12 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by two:
Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I would never think to debate politics with him, at least not in public. He and I exchanged a few heated words on the OB years ago, but regardless of what I think, he is entitled to his opinion.

This really is about substance, not just opinion. Adam Baldwin is not a nobody like me. He writes a column at breitbart.com He has followers.

Adam has a Jayne picture as his logo on twitter. All the other actors deny they're anything like their characters. Not Adam! Jayne voices his opinions and Mal still hits him in the head or Simon drugs him. Come to think, nobody respects Jayne's opinion on Serenity. Why should we?

With the excuse that it is twitter, Adam never explains the why of any opinion. He doesn't have to because the Republican party is telling him what his opinion is. That's all the reason Adam Baldwin needs. He should run for governor. He certainly is positioning himself where voters can see what he stands for.

Put Jayne in charge of Serenity? There will a mutiny.




And maybe Morena Baccarin is really a cold-hearted golddigger because she played one on television, according to some fans who were disillusioned with her because she made a few comments in favour of women's rights and they disliked the companion thing.

I'm sorry, but your arguments are ridiculous. Nice is nice is nice, regardless of politics.

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Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:52 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


JKRFan7, please disregard any opinion you may have about Adam from his political views, or from the ramblings of Two. If he is one of your favorite actors, then do not hesitate to meet him if you get the chance. I guarantee you will not regret it.




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Saturday, August 24, 2013 9:27 AM

AMDOBELL


I can only say that when I met Adam at a convention in London, UK he was very outgoing and put himself out for the fans. He also charged the same as the other guests for his autograph so there was no ripping off of the fans either. I think he is a very good actor and that was why I wanted to meet him.

Ali D :~P)
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Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM

JKRFAN7


Thank you all very much for your advice and support!!!

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Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:32 PM

ISROUSRO


Why should you care what his political leanings are?
You want to meet him to talk about Firefly, or other shows that he has worked in.
If you are going to limit yourself to only one side of everything, sooner or later you are standing by yourself.

Read my sig.

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Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by isrousro:
Why should you care what his political leanings are?
You want to meet him to talk about Firefly, or other shows that he has worked in.

Adam Baldwin is a special case Firefly actor. Summer said she's not crazy River; Nathan said he's not angry Mal; Ron Glass said he's not Book the Christian because he is a Buddhist.

But Adam is Jayne.

Jayne cannot write a book because he is functionally illiterate. I am thrilled that snide Adam could write an autobiography I am Jayne. The cover photo would show Adam holding his real-life semi-auto rifle and ammo belt.

I'd buy it for the Firefly reminisces about Adam and Alan Tudyk fighting on set over Bush's policy. It's method acting -- the Jayne/Wash hostility showed on TV and movie. Guess whether Adam sided with Bush. Ask yourself, "What would Jayne do?" and you have the answer for Adam.

Don't scoff. That hypothetical autobiography will plausibly be good as Leonard Nimoy's I am Spock. www.amazon.com/I-Am-Spock-Leonard-Nimoy/dp/0786861827/

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:00 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Two, Adam Baldwin is not Jayne Cobb. He might be John Casey, but he's not Jayne.

Besides, why should we pay any attention to your opinion? After all, you are also the one who continually tries to tell us you know how to write better screenplays than Joss Whedon.




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Wednesday, September 4, 2013 11:31 AM

VERASAMUELS


Adam is - as far as I know - still registered as a Democrat [G].

Having met him several times, I can say:-

Excellent listener, really good with kids, patient and kind, wicked sense of humour and an all round good guy.

Devout Keeper of Jayne's Lunchbox

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Wednesday, September 4, 2013 1:34 PM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
And maybe Morena Baccarin is really a cold-hearted golddigger because she played one on television, according to some fans who were disillusioned with her because she made a few comments in favour of women's rights and they disliked the companion thing.

I'm sorry, but your arguments are ridiculous. Nice is nice is nice, regardless of politics.



I don't know about a gold digger but I do hear behind closed doors she's non too friendly. Apparently she refuses to sign autographs for charity and one of the few times she did it was because Jewel shamed her into it.

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Wednesday, September 4, 2013 2:44 PM

BYTEMITE


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Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
And maybe Morena Baccarin is really a cold-hearted golddigger because she played one on television, according to some fans who were disillusioned with her because she made a few comments in favour of women's rights and they disliked the companion thing.

I'm sorry, but your arguments are ridiculous. Nice is nice is nice, regardless of politics.



I don't know about a gold digger but I do hear behind closed doors she's non too friendly. Apparently she refuses to sign autographs for charity and one of the few times she did it was because Jewel shamed her into it.



And Nathan Fillion once held up shooting on the Castle set one day because he refused to show up for work.

Come on guys... First of all, Morena is friends with Jewel and Nathan and both of them are well known for their reputation of being nice people. If Morena was mean they wouldn't be friends.

Secondly, this sounds an awful lot like those rumours about how Adam was asking more money than all the other cast members to make an appearance at a charity event that we've been discussing.

Third, if it DID happen, we don't know if there were or what the extenuating circumstances were, much like we don't know what was going on with Nathan and the Castle walk off, but we COULD give them the benefit of the doubt instead of speculating based on hearsay.

Fourth, much like how some people might judge Adam a little more strongly and believe and spread negative rumours about him just because he's conservative, it's possible some people might tend to dislike Morena just because she's a very pretty lady. And because of the controversial characters she's played.

:/

In short while it's important for people not to be blinded by idol worship, it's also important to not make issues where there might not BE issues.

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Wednesday, September 4, 2013 3:34 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Fourth, much like how some people might judge Adam a little more strongly and believe and spread negative rumours about him just because he's conservative . . . it's also important to not make issues where there might not BE issues.

It is not a rumor and not about Adam being conservative.

For example, Adam on Syria: "In light of #FastAndFurious, is it #Inconceivable that Obama would help organize a frame-job on Assad?" Adam really can stack the innuendo high in only one short sentence. I know Adam turns this on and off and back on again, but good people don't do this several times a day in public. He needs a new job, desperately, to better fill his days. - https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/374937263865483264

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Wednesday, September 4, 2013 4:00 PM

BYTEMITE


And, once again, *I* have questions about whether this Syria thing passes the sniff test - comes with being a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

*I* don't like Obama because I think he's a warmonger, who promised that he would be a model for peace and stability.

None of this has any bearing on whether a person is a NICE person. Obama sends drones to kill people in Pakistan, and then invites people over to the white house for a beer to solve their differences. One more time: Politics doesn't determine Niceness.

(although, for the record, I'm NOT. But Adam might still be)

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Thursday, September 5, 2013 10:29 AM

ZEEK


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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
And maybe Morena Baccarin is really a cold-hearted golddigger because she played one on television, according to some fans who were disillusioned with her because she made a few comments in favour of women's rights and they disliked the companion thing.

I'm sorry, but your arguments are ridiculous. Nice is nice is nice, regardless of politics.



I don't know about a gold digger but I do hear behind closed doors she's non too friendly. Apparently she refuses to sign autographs for charity and one of the few times she did it was because Jewel shamed her into it.



And Nathan Fillion once held up shooting on the Castle set one day because he refused to show up for work.

Come on guys... First of all, Morena is friends with Jewel and Nathan and both of them are well known for their reputation of being nice people. If Morena was mean they wouldn't be friends.

Secondly, this sounds an awful lot like those rumours about how Adam was asking more money than all the other cast members to make an appearance at a charity event that we've been discussing.

Third, if it DID happen, we don't know if there were or what the extenuating circumstances were, much like we don't know what was going on with Nathan and the Castle walk off, but we COULD give them the benefit of the doubt instead of speculating based on hearsay.

Fourth, much like how some people might judge Adam a little more strongly and believe and spread negative rumours about him just because he's conservative, it's possible some people might tend to dislike Morena just because she's a very pretty lady. And because of the controversial characters she's played.

:/

In short while it's important for people not to be blinded by idol worship, it's also important to not make issues where there might not BE issues.



So, you suggest throwing out evidence and going with pure speculation instead? That sounds like the opposite of sound judgement.

Also, according to my source it was not a single incident it's a known standard. Kinda like how it's pretty common knowledge that Sarah Michelle Gellar doesn't really embrace the Buffy fandom. Which is not to say she's a bad person. She's just not into that. From what I hear Morena doesn't like to spend her time helping charities and is fairly blunt about it. I trust my sources and I really doubt there's anything about her looks involved because personally I think Jewel is prettier and I've heard nothing but good things about her.

I mean the topic isn't "lets all ignore anything negative about our BDHs and pretend they're all the coolest people around". It's whether Adam is actually nice or a jerk. I haven't heard anything about Adam himself just that his agent ask quite a hefty price for him to appear at a charity event. It's just some insight into how he really is behind the scenes. It may mean nothing or it may add up with other people's insight.

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Thursday, September 5, 2013 11:50 AM

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So, you suggest throwing out evidence and going with pure speculation instead? That sounds like the opposite of sound judgement.



Personal Anecdotes

Second Hand Accounts

-->"Evidence"

Seems Legit.

You don't know her personally, you don't know the circumstances, so yes, it's hearsay. It's like DEFINITIVE hearsay.

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hearsay
hear┬Ěsay
[heer-sey]
noun
1.
unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge.
2.
an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a malicious hearsay.

adjective
3.
of, pertaining to, or characterized by hearsay: hearsay knowledge; a hearsay report.



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hearsay?s=t&path=/

So there are two options basically. Instead of gossiping and spreading rumours which may or may not be true, you could 1) get to know the person or 2) not give a damn.

I like the second option. People focus way too much on celebrities and live vicariously through them and act like other people have to hold themselves to a different standard of conduct. Instead of, you know, living their OWN lives to the best of their OWN abilities.

Seriously, since when does ANY of this matter? I've never met any of the BDHs and I don't intend to. How does any of this affect me? Or you? Or people who HAVE met any of them?

And since when does being involved with charity OR politics define whether someone is a "nice" or "good" or "pleasant" person? Maybe there's reasons they don't like one charity but they give to another. Maybe they had other engagements they had to attend to. Maybe a person is shy and doesn't like attending any events where they're the focus of attention. Maybe everyone sometimes has to make selfish decisions about their job, or has the right to determine how they spend their time or money. Maybe that has no bearing on their quality of character.

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Thursday, September 5, 2013 1:29 PM

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Adam Baldwin is one of my favorite actors but I'm very hesitant about meeting him. I've heard that he's really nice but then I read his twitter account which kinda gives a different impression.

Has anyone met him and if so what was your opinion?




I have met Adam several times, had a beer with the man, and even had him recognize me by name and take time to talk with my family and pose for pics. He is down to earth, funny, smart, and approachable to his fans.

That being said, I have always lived my life by three rules:

- Don't talk politics
- Don't talk religion
- Don't discuss how much money you or someone else makes

I have found that by following these three rules I steer clear of most unpleasantness.

It's no secret that Adam is a huge conservative, an avid Republican, and that he will back his points with well thought out arguements. If you can look past his personal political beliefs you will see a very likable, genuine person. Some can't seem to do that.

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Thursday, September 5, 2013 4:02 PM

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So, you suggest throwing out evidence and going with pure speculation instead?



When its only anecdotal, "a friend of a friend" type stuff - absolutely. As most people do.

There's a reason why such "evidence" is considered just this side of useless in serious discussion - between personal subjectivity, and the "telephone game" effect - they're generally unreliable. You may trust your source implicitly - but they're nobody to everyone else. Their credibility is nil.

For instance, you claim that Morena doesn't like to do stuff for charity, and isn't shy about letting it be known... but a quick google turns up plenty of appearances at various charity events, plus, people from smaller organizations thanking her for personally donating items (including signed pics) to be sold for charity.

What do I not find? ANY reports about her disliking charity, or having to be "shamed" into it. You'd think if it were "common" someone might have mentioned it. All you have is literally hearsay.

Which "evidence" should we believe? Your unnamed source, or actual physical evidence (which is readily available in great quantity)?

Now, Ill grant that it could, in theory, be true. But in terms of actual "evidence," there's little reason to think so.




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Thursday, September 5, 2013 5:25 PM

BYTEMITE


Well said. And I still stand by my comments about none of this really being a valid measure of niceness or pleasantness. Plenty of mean jerks give to charity (tax loopholes or guilt), and plenty of nice people don't.

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Thursday, September 5, 2013 7:20 PM

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Originally posted by JKRFAN7:
Adam Baldwin is one of my favorite actors but I'm very hesitant about meeting him. I've heard that he's really nice but then I read his twitter account which kinda gives a different impression.

Has anyone met him and if so what was your opinion?



So? Did you/are you going to meet him?

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Thursday, September 5, 2013 7:22 PM

JKRFAN7


I plan on meeting him one day.

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Thursday, September 5, 2013 10:06 PM

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I plan on meeting him one day.



I think if you meet most BDH under the premise of being a Firefly fan, they'll be super nice.



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Friday, September 6, 2013 3:58 AM

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I've met him several times over the years, and he's always been a nice guy. We have gotten into arguments once or twice over politics and such, but even then he never came off as a jerk. He's just very opinionated about what he thinks, and he is very conservative when it comes to politics, religion, and stuff like abortion.

I wouldn't sweat meeting him, if I were you. He really does seem to have a good heart.

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Friday, September 6, 2013 6:02 AM

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What damned difference does it make as to what his politics might be and equating that with being nice?
A certain brother of Adam comes to mind and he isn't Conservative and he's not nice

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Friday, September 6, 2013 7:23 AM

JKRFAN7


Adam's not related to Alec Baldwin. In fact he's not related to any of them. They're from New York. He's from Chicago.

Damn it, I don't need a back spaceship driver!!

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Friday, September 6, 2013 9:17 AM

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What damned difference does it make as to what his politics might be and equating that with being nice?

He is dishonest and misleading in making his political arguments. In acting that's great because you're pretending, but politics is very real. It should not be another branch of entertainment. So . . . it is not Adam's politics, but the dishonest and misleading way he goes about promoting his politics. He can turn on and off his charm like a light switch, which is fine on the sound stage, but not so nice in real life.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, September 6, 2013 9:24 AM

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I met him at Philly Comic Con. He was incredibly nice. I was wearing a Jayne Fez that I had made and he continued to stare at it - went through the whole "A man walks down the street in a fez like that" line. Later, when I had my picture taken with the Firefly group - he kept pointing at the fez yelling "Jayne Fez! Jayne Fez!" I don't agree with his politics either, but he was really nice.

On a side note, I was a big Ted Nugent fan in the mid-late 70s but I won't support him by buying any of his new music because he's way off the scale crazy right-wing. I don't feel that way about any of Adam's work - I'd still go see a movie or watch a TV show.

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Friday, September 6, 2013 9:36 AM

AURAPTOR

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He is dishonest and misleading in making his political arguments. In acting that's great because you're pretending, but politics is very real. It should not be another branch of entertainment. So . . . it is not Adam's politics, but the dishonest and misleading way he goes about promoting his politics. He can turn on and off his charm like a light switch, which is fine on the sound stage, but not so nice in real life.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two



Oh good grief. Same could be said for anyone who doesn't share your political point of view, huh?

He has his views, agree w/ them or not. But to call him dishonest ? Really?



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Friday, September 6, 2013 9:47 AM

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Oh good grief. Same could be said for anyone who doesn't share your political point of view, huh?

He has his views, agree w/ them or not. But to call him dishonest ? Really?

Read his twits. I can agree with him, but I know he's "faking" his facts about really important stuff. Adam needs to learn that writing about politics is not like writing a screenplay where anything can be "true" so long as it is convincing. -- http://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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