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Roberta E. Lee, Nazi Sympathizer, on civil war monuments

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Friday, August 18, 2017 12:11 PM

G

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http://bit.ly/2fJecis

Summary: The paper prints Robert E. Lee's note declining an invitation to join officers on the battlefield of Gettysburg to mark troop positions for posterity. Lee and a number of Democratic newspapers believe that the battle of Gettysburg and the strife accompanying the Civil War are best left forgotten.

Full Text of Article:
The widely heralded meeting of the officers, (U.S and Confederate,) who took part in the battle of Gettysburg, to mark the operations of both armies on the field, by enduring memorials of granite, has proven, as many expected a great farce. But few of the prominent Northern officers were present and only two Confederate officers of minor grades. The Hotel man did not make as much as he expected, when he got up the idea.

Gen. Lee was invited and forwarded the following reply:

Lexington, VA., August 5, 1869.

Dear Sir--Absence from Lexington has prevented my receiving until to-day your letter of the 26th ult., inclosing an invitation from the Gettysburg Battle-field Memorial Association, to attend a meeting of the officers engaged in that battle at Gettysburg, for the purpose of marking upon the ground by enduring memorials of granite the positions and movements of the armies on the field. My engagements will not permit me to be present. I believe if there, I could not add anything material to the information existing on the subject. I think it wiser, moreover, not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.

Very respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
R. E. Lee.

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Friday, August 18, 2017 12:29 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Statues of people are stupid. There are far better things to do with the spaces. Especially THESE DAYS when just about any monument is an open invitation for people to dick with it. And then the repeated "outrage" when people dick with it, like they really don't expect people will.

Also, somehow Christians always forget the whole "make no graven images" thing. Next county over had a 40 ft tall Santa statue outside of a gas station for years, even after the station closed. Then some idiot decided it was "sacred" had it refurbished and put next to the highway. It stands as a grand reminder of the hypocrisy of Christianity. I guess the "no graven images" is just like masturbating, everybody does it?

Even in biblical times, people understood the power a statue of a person could hold over the incredibly stupid. Symbols are like instant brainwashing for some.

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Friday, August 18, 2017 12:36 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I can't believe that nobody has ever Jebidiah Springfieled any of them before.

Why tear them down though? Think of all the high school kids that are going to be deprived of writing dicks on their faces with permanent marker now.

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Friday, August 18, 2017 1:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


We should always erase our history whenever possible. Then we can repeat it and provide entertainment and drama, strife.

Germans ignore the period of WWII, not sure about WWI.
Japanese effectively deny WWII Ever happened.

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Friday, August 18, 2017 4:10 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


We, and all other human civilization will repeat the stupid things done in the past whether there are statues or NOT.

Because, HUMANS.

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Friday, August 18, 2017 5:28 PM

KPO


Quote:

Germans ignore the period of WWII

Germany remembers well its WWII history, but it doesn't do it by having statues of Nazis, that's for sure.

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Friday, August 18, 2017 5:32 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Germany remembers well its WWII history, but it doesn't do it by having statues of Nazis, that's for sure.



Nope. It remembers it by being consumed with guilt and self-hatred to the point that they give everything they own to Middle Eastern refugees who repay their kindness by blowing them up and raping their women.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:08 AM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


It wasn't guilt or self-hatred that caused them to take in REFUGEES you twit. REF.U.GEES.

For what it's worth, about 30 people have been killed in Germany having anything related to Muslims since 9/11. A third of them were Muslims killing other Muslims for "honor killing" crap. Another third were random Muslims just snapping and stabbing someone. The majority happened in one day on one attack, killing 11. About 120 people have been injured, total.
Just for reference, 662 people were murdered in total in 2011. GERMANS kill more GERMANS in a month than all the Muslim related killings in the last 16 years. I'm sure more of them were Christian than anything.

How many people killing or being killed would justify kicking all Muslims out of the country? Seriously, if you were the leader how many would it take for you?

There are 4 1/2 Million of them in Germany, out of 81 million people. DO you understand what would happen if they just kicked them all out?? Can you say WORLD WAR THREE???

So...what WOULD your "genius" self do about it, hmmm??

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Right you are, stupid humans! They always find some way to fuck things up. Hence, Hitler, Trump, Justin Bieber.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
We, and all other human civilization will repeat the stupid things done in the past whether there are statues or NOT.

Because, HUMANS.


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Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:30 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"First, they came for the statues."

That pretty much sums it up. You can't have anything less capable of violent action than an inanimate statue. There it is, a mute, passive, lump of perfectly constitutional political expression.

Oh well. So much for free speech.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
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Saturday, August 19, 2017 6:38 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
So...what WOULD your "genius" self do about it, hmmm??



It's too late now. You can't put the shit back in the horse.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:32 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
We, and all other human civilization will repeat the stupid things done in the past whether there are statues or NOT.

Because, HUMANS.



HUMANS indeed. Better pithy saying: Pithy sayings will never protect us from the relentless tide of human stupidity.

Also better: "We are doomed to repeat history - so wise the 'eff up."

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
You can't have anything less capable of violent action than an inanimate statue.



Huh? Charlottesville? The statue was the focal point of the White Sup/KKK's anger and march. Not to mention the violence and division the person replicated in statue form represented, was responsible for. Ironic and a bit damning that the same person, speaking from the grave, was a hell of a lot more enlightened than half the posts in this thread.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:26 AM

6STRINGJOKER


lol

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:14 PM

KPO


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"First, they came for the statues."

That pretty much sums it up. You can't have anything less capable of violent action than an inanimate statue. There it is, a mute, passive, lump of perfectly constitutional political expression.

Oh well. So much for free speech.



Huh?

I'm all for people and private bodies putting whatever monuments they like on their own private property, but statues in public spaces, using public money?

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 2:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


When people get together to erect monuments - however large or small they may be - it's an exercise in both democracy and freedom of speech. Just because you don't like the particulars doesn't make it any less valid.

Now, if people were to get together and decide to remove said monument doesn't make that any less a valid an expression either.

But it needs to be done DEMOCRATICALLY - as an expression of the will of the people - not at the end of a gun, or under threat of a mob.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 3:02 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But it needs to be done DEMOCRATICALLY - as an expression of the will of the people - not at the end of a gun, or under threat of a mob.



Or just at the whim of some politician, or under duress from SJW groups without putting it to a proper vote.

Anybody got a link to an article that explains what happened before all of this bullshit and hate? I've never actually heard that part of the story.

Quote:

I'm all for people and private bodies putting whatever monuments they like on their own private property, but statues in public spaces, using public money?


Those statues were up a long time ago. Most of the people who paid the taxes for them are probably dead.

Using that logic though...

I'm all for tearing down a wall in your own home to open up the view and make it more spacious, but tearing down a statue that's been there for over a hundred years because you don't like looking at it, using public money?


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Saturday, August 19, 2017 4:55 PM

KPO


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Now, if people were to get together and decide to remove said monument doesn't make that any less a valid an expression either.

But it needs to be done DEMOCRATICALLY - as an expression of the will of the people - not at the end of a gun, or under threat of a mob.


Err, Charlottesville's democratically elected city council voted earlier this year to remove the statue. Does that qualify as "the will of the people" - more than the out-of-town white supremacist mob?

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 5:04 PM

KPO


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Using that logic though...

I'm all for tearing down a wall in your own home to open up the view and make it more spacious, but tearing down a statue that's been there for over a hundred years because you don't like looking at it, using public money?


How about the Charlottesville public decides? (arguably it already has, via its elected representatives)

I don't see why this needs to be complicated. If a town wants to keep its slavery monuments, let them do so. If they want to remove them, let them do so. Let's get rid of the bullshit arguments about 'erasing history' and 'free speech'.

As for what 'I' like. I don't personally like looking at slavery monuments. But I don't have to - I can avoid the town in question completely. As can other individuals and businesses, with their custom and investment.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 6:05 PM

6STRINGJOKER


It's not a slavery monument.

It's impossible to even have a legitimate conversation with people like you.




On a somewhat related note, concerning people with your mindset. I find it quite comical that the same people who are accusing people in the south of treason for trying to cede from the union are the very same people who were applauding the efforts of people in California who wanted to do the very same thing after Trump was elected.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:27 PM

KPO


Sorry, Confederacy monuments. What was the point of the Confederacy again?

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:04 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Read a book.

I'm not taking that bait.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"First, they came for the statues."

That pretty much sums it up. You can't have anything less capable of violent action than an inanimate statue. There it is, a mute, passive, lump of perfectly constitutional political expression.

Oh well. So much for free speech.

Star post of the thread.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Sorry, Confederacy monuments. What was the point of the Confederacy again?

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Dispute of unfair taxation by the Yankees.

Plus, Democrat racism by Democrats.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:09 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But it needs to be done DEMOCRATICALLY - as an expression of the will of the people - not at the end of a gun, or under threat of a mob.

Or just at the whim of some politician, or under duress from SJW groups without putting it to a proper vote.

Anybody got a link to an article that explains what happened before all of this bullshit and hate? I've never actually heard that part of the story.
Quote:

I'm all for people and private bodies putting whatever monuments they like on their own private property, but statues in public spaces, using public money?
Those statues were up a long time ago. Most of the people who paid the taxes for them are probably dead.

Using that logic though...

I'm all for tearing down a wall in your own home to open up the view and make it more spacious, but tearing down a statue that's been there for over a hundred years because you don't like looking at it, using public money?

Fair certain the greatest quantity of taxpayer funds expended in the past century have been the costs of destruction of the monument and police costs of instigating the violence, by the liberal thugs against the liberal thugs and controlled by the liberal thug cops.

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Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:57 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Fair certain the greatest quantity of taxpayer funds expended in the past century have been the costs of destruction of the monument and police costs of instigating the violence, by the liberal thugs against the liberal thugs and controlled by the liberal thug cops.



Fair certain that is the biggest load of bunk I've read this week. You win Idiot of the Internet twice in one week. It takes a special kind of stupid shit for brains to make that happen.

Without even looking it up, I know most of our federal dollars go to feed the war machine or the government machine, and most of our state money goes to education, roads, healthcare and food programs.

Assholes like YOU are the problem with this country. You only care about proving the "other side" wrong, when it's clear you've done NO research and couldn't get a brain cell to spark with another with a pair of jumper cables and friggin' nuclear reactor.

STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER UNTIL YOU GROW A DAMNDED BRAIN.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:00 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
When people get together to erect monuments - however large or small they may be - it's an exercise in both democracy and freedom of speech.



You KNOW that these statues were voted on by the cities/states where they are erected?

I'm guessing that's not the case, that these are pet projects from some local politician and maybe even business people or civic group without any Democracy in action.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:12 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Sorry, Confederacy monuments. What was the point of the Confederacy again?



Looks like you scared Jack.

Wikipedia:

"The Confederate States of America (CSA or C.S.), commonly referred to as the Confederacy, was a self-proclaimed nation of 11 secessionist slave-holding states of the United States, existing from 1861 to 1865. The Confederacy was originally formed by seven states – South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas – in the Lower South region of the United States whose regional economy was mostly dependent upon agriculture, particularly cotton, and a plantation system that relied upon the labor of African-American slaves."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America

Ownership of another human is bad enough, but Southern slavery was even worse imho. Like so many of Man's great crimes - the moral question of slavery wasn't even the slave owners' greatest concern. It was economics. Pure greed. It was cheaper to have slaves labor in the fields than to pay someone a fair salary. So in a way you are not even giving these human beings the basic respect for being human - they were essentially live stock providing an economic solution. It's hard to imagine a more base way to treat human beings.


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Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:16 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Fair certain the greatest quantity of taxpayer funds expended in the past century have been the costs of destruction of the monument and police costs of instigating the violence, by the liberal thugs against the liberal thugs and controlled by the liberal thug cops.



'swhat? Star comment of the thread - time to close the Internet and let it cool off.

'Cuz the WWI, WWII, and the Vietnam war were all cheap? Roads, Health Care, Infrastructure - all cheap? Seems Education in your neck of the woods was definitely on a tight budget though.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:20 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
When people get together to erect monuments - however large or small they may be - it's an exercise in both democracy and freedom of speech.



You KNOW that these statues were voted on by the cities/states where they are erected?

I'm guessing that's not the case, that these are pet projects from some local politician and maybe even business people or civic group without any Democracy in action.

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kiki is upset because the old Soviet States are tearing down the Statues honoring Russia






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Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:53 AM

REAVERFAN


They should take all civil war statues down. We shouldn't celebrate treason and racism.

Put up a statue of Heather Heyer, instead. She's a hero, martyred by the same racism that drove Robert E. Lee.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:54 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Fair certain the greatest quantity of taxpayer funds expended in the past century have been the costs of destruction of the monument and police costs of instigating the violence, by the liberal thugs against the liberal thugs and controlled by the liberal thug cops.



'swhat? Star comment of the thread - time to close the Internet and let it cool off.

'Cuz the WWI, WWII, and the Vietnam war were all cheap? Roads, Health Care, Infrastructure - all cheap? Seems Education in your neck of the woods was definitely on a tight budget though.

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What an idiot! LOL!

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:56 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
They should take all civil war statues down. We shouldn't celebrate treason and racism.

Put up a statue of Heather Heyer, instead. She's a hero, martyred by the same racism that drove Robert E. Lee.



Right






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Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:42 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Sam Houston, governor of Texas at the start of the Civil War and previously President of the Republic of Texas, refused to swear an oath to the Confederacy because it violated rights and liberties and the Constitution of Texas. That ended his governorship, but not his speech-making:

Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Houston#Governor_of_Texas

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:21 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:

Looks like you scared Jack.




Nope.

I said read a book.

The easiest way to refute any of that is by stating the fact that people in the North owned slaves too. I'm not even going to have a conversation with somebody about it that says this is not true.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
When people get together to erect monuments - however large or small they may be - it's an exercise in both democracy and freedom of speech.

Quote:

Originally posted by G:
You KNOW that these statues were voted on by the cities/states where they are erected?
I'm guessing that's not the case, that these are pet projects from some local politician and maybe even business people or civic group without any Democracy in action.

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Now, if people were to get together and decide to remove said monument doesn't make that any less a valid an expression either.

But it needs to be done DEMOCRATICALLY - as an expression of the will of the people - not at the end of a gun, or under threat of a mob.

So, do you think the process to remove these statues should NOT be democratic?






Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

They should take all civil war statues down. We shouldn't celebrate treason and racism.

Put up a statue of Heather Heyer, instead. She's a hero, martyred by the same racism that drove Robert E. Lee.

Do you think someone should make them take them down?






Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:44 PM

KPO


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Dispute of unfair taxation by the Yankees.

Plus, Democrat racism by Democrats.


You're right to say the confederates were racist. That's the first thing to say about them, but not the last. Because there's racism and there's racism. There's the racism of the old Fox News viewer who mutters about 'niggers', and then there's the racism of subjugating and brutalising hundreds of thousands of people over their whole lifetimes. The Confederacy was about fighting for the preservation of the latter. Not merely a racist cause - a violent, unspeakably evil cause.



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Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:44 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
They should take all civil war statues down. We shouldn't celebrate treason and racism.

Put up a statue of Heather Heyer, instead. She's a hero, martyred by the same racism that drove Robert E. Lee.



Right




+1 A great idea.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
When people get together to erect monuments - however large or small they may be - it's an exercise in both democracy and freedom of speech.

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Originally posted by G:
You KNOW that these statues were voted on by the cities/states where they are erected?
I'm guessing that's not the case, that these are pet projects from some local politician and maybe even business people or civic group without any Democracy in action.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Now, if people were to get together and decide to remove said monument doesn't make that any less a valid an expression either.

But it needs to be done DEMOCRATICALLY - as an expression of the will of the people - not at the end of a gun, or under threat of a mob.

So, do you think the process to remove these statues should NOT be democratic?




So you are avoiding my simple question - so Kiki.

I asked first: Do you KNOW that these statues were voted on by the cities/states where they are erected?

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


G

I'm curious. What process should be used to remove the statues (if indeed they get removed)? A democratic one, or one of force?




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:15 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Still haven't read a book, huh KPO?

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
G

I'm curious. What process should be used to remove the statues (if indeed they get removed)? A democratic one, or one of force?

I have to leave the discussion G, but you know there's only one good answer - which is - OF COURSE these issues should be resolved democratically, and peacefully. That's what the democratic process is for.

And if you find yourself reluctant to type those words out, maybe you need to rethink your commitment to freedom, democracy, and the country.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:37 PM

KPO


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Still haven't read a book, huh KPO?


Still clinging to a whitewashed view of the Confederacy, 6?

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:14 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Just got my feet planted firmly in reality.

There are 4 lights.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:25 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
G

I'm curious. What process should be used to remove the statues (if indeed they get removed)? A democratic one, or one of force?

I have to leave the discussion G, but you know there's only one good answer - which is - OF COURSE these issues should be resolved democratically, and peacefully. That's what the democratic process is for.

And if you find yourself reluctant to type those words out, maybe you need to rethink your commitment to freedom, democracy, and the country.



You're so full of sh*t. Exactly: OF COURSE. You and SIGs are the dumb and dumber of asking stupid questions. And yet, if it's so obvious for you why haven't answered my simple question? Because you know the statues were not erected through democratic process? And that blows up your whole point so instead you ignore the question (chicken sh*t move btw) and run and hide.

CYA, slink away now.


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Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, back temporarily.

G

I'm glad to see you agree with me that these issues should be resolved democratically and peacefully.

Two other questions -

Do you ALSO condemn in equal measure the Antifa and Black Bloc violence?

And, IF the presence of the statue were to be put to a vote, AND THAT VOTE WAS TO KEEP THE STATUE, would you support that result as the outcome of a democratic process? Or, like our recent presidential elections, would you try and overthrow the result because democracy didn't go your way?




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

why haven't answered my simple question
Probably because I didn't see it. Yanno' G, I posted the same question about democratically resolving this issue THREE TIMES before you responded. So maybe in fairness you could point out your question to me again.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And, IF the presence of the statue were to be put to a vote, AND THAT VOTE WAS TO KEEP THE STATUE, would you support that result as the outcome of a democratic process? Or, like our recent presidential elections, would you try and overthrow the result because democracy didn't go your way?



LOL at rhetorical questions.

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Fair certain the greatest quantity of taxpayer funds expended in the past century have been the costs of destruction of the monument and police costs of instigating the violence, by the liberal thugs against the liberal thugs and controlled by the liberal thug cops.



Fair certain that is the biggest load of bunk I've read this week. You win Idiot of the Internet twice in one week. It takes a special kind of stupid shit for brains to make that happen.

Without even looking it up, I know most of our federal dollars go to feed the war machine or the government machine, and most of our state money goes to education, roads, healthcare and food programs.

Assholes like YOU are the problem with this country. You only care about proving the "other side" wrong, when it's clear you've done NO research and couldn't get a brain cell to spark with another with a pair of jumper cables and friggin' nuclear reactor.

STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER UNTIL YOU GROW A DAMNDED BRAIN.

Taking it out of context does not support your delusional diatribe.

The previouly quoted post was regarding the costs of the statue related to taxpayers where the statues were located. The community, not the nation.

The costs of the statue for the past century are likely less than you claim.

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