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Tipping Point: GM IS GOING ALL ELECTRIC

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UPDATED: Monday, October 2, 2017 13:37
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Monday, October 2, 2017 12:35 PM

G

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https://www.wired.com/story/general-motors-electric-cars-plan-gm/

"AFTER MORE THAN a century peddling vehicles that pollute the atmosphere, General Motors is ending its relationship with gasoline and diesel. This morning, the American automotive giant announced that it is working toward an all-electric, zero-emissions future. That starts with two new, fully electric models next year—then at least 18 more by 2023.
That product onslaught puts the company at the forefront of an increasingly large crowd of automakers proclaiming the age of electricity and promising to move away from gasoline- and diesel-powered vehicles. In recent months, Volvo, Aston Martin, and Jaguar Land Rover have announced similar moves. GM’s declaration, though, is particularly noteworthy because it’s among the very largest automakers on the planet. It sold 10 million cars last year, ranging from pickups to SUVs to urban runabouts.
“General Motors believes the future is all-electric,” says Mark Reuss, the company’s head of product. “We are far along in our plan to lead the way to that future world.”

Reuss did not give a date for the death knell of the GM gas- or diesel-powered car, saying the transition will happen at different speeds in different markets and regions. The new all-electric models will be a mix of battery electric cars and fuel cell-powered vehicles.

To be sure, GM’s sudden jolt of electricity is planned with its shareholders in mind. The Trump Administration may be moving to roll back fuel efficiency requirements in the US, but the rest of the world is insisting on an electric age. France, Great Britain, the Netherlands, and Norway have all said they plan to ban the sale of gas and diesel cars in the coming decades. More importantly, China—the world’s largest car market—and India, a rising star, plan to join them. No automaker can compete globally without a compelling stable of electric cars."

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Monday, October 2, 2017 12:45 PM

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“General Motors believes the future is all-electric,” says Mark Reuss, the company’s head of product. “We are far along in our plan to lead the way to that future world.”


Bullshit dude. You ain't no pioneers at GM. What a stupid thing to say.

Glad to see you're joining the party. Better late than never.



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Congrats - you were here for the Internet and the Digital Revolution, and if you can hold on until 2023 (or so) you will also witness an almost equally impactful shift in energy use and consumption.


You realize that's only 5 years from now. I've been waiting 32 years for flying cars.

This is a step in the right direction, but don't get your hopes up. My car is 21 years old, and there are a LOT of people with cars from the 90's still on the road today who can't afford new ones. I probably couldn't even afford an electric car unless it was used and a dozen years old, and just like all other tech products stuff is already antiquated the moment it's out the door so I don't think there's going to be a booming after market for used electric cars like there are for gas cars.

If you want to be living in a world where gas cars are a thing of the past, I think you're going to have to hold on to at least 2050. I don't think I've got that in me.

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Monday, October 2, 2017 1:37 PM

SIGNYM

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"AFTER MORE THAN a century peddling vehicles that pollute the atmosphere, General Motors is ending its relationship with gasoline and diesel. This morning, the American automotive giant announced that it is working toward an all-electric, zero-emissions future.
AS IF the electricity to charge the batteries was generated with zero emissions. What a load of hogwash!

In areas where electricity is generated with coal, electric vehicles actually INCREASE the total amount of emissions, since burning gasoline in an internal combustion engine is actually more fuel- and emissions-efficient than generating electricity in great big belching power plants and then transmitting it for miles and miles. Even where electricity is generated from nat gas sources, electric vehicles represent only a marginal savings of emissions (maybe 10%).

This is a big push to kill the German auto industry, which was (up until now) fully committed to diesel and gasoline-powered engines. A great big advertisement and talking point for GM, maybe a way to wean us off Saudi oil (if we turn to coal) and a possible national security advantage (as least as far as the ME is concerned), but not really a big boost for the environment.

Now, if we had better land-use planning, better public transportation, and could DO AWAY with so many automobile-miles-traveled (conserve energy as opposed to switching the source) THEN we would be farther ahead.

I wonder how the Chinese lithium-miners are looking at this?



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