Can we legally form a church?

POSTED BY: Hixie129
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 7, 2006 01:29
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HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:24 PM (P)

Couldn't' we legally apply to the government as a formal religion and form our own church?

Religion: Whedonism (based on the writings of Joss Whedon's Firefly/Serenity)
Bible: The transcripts of all the shows collected together to from a book. Additional interviews with Joss would become letters to the churches from Joss. We could have them translated in the different language of the religious members.

Head of the Church: Joss Whedon
Apostles:
1) Mal
2) Zoë
3) Wash -- and Martyr
4) Book -- and Martyr
5) Inara
6) Jayne
7) Kaylee
8) Simon (hey, this really works!)
9) River
10) Serenity
11) River's feet (this is one of my favorite Apostles. I could worship her feet all day long.) We might even form a monastic sect where day and night her feet are worshipped.
12) Saffron

Some doctrine. Members of this church meet weekly for services to hear the 'verse contained in the good news of Joss Whedon. Daily pray is watching a Firefly episode. ???

Members promote love and give evangelical support. We could send out missionaries for the conversion and salvation of those who have not heard the verse and also to help bring the show back on TV. ?????

We collect money during services, bingo nights and church showings of the episodes and movie.
Money goes to support evangical missionaries and movie sequel. ?????

Deacons are people who hosts shindigs and or weekly services. ???

Church Holidays:
1) Joss birthday
2) Apostles birthdays
3) The first day firefly appeared on TV
4) Death of firefly (last day it appeared on FOX)
5) Day the movie first appeared in Theaters (different day for each part of the globe where movie opened.)
6) ?

Just some thoughts in my head, there is much more that needs fixing, all input welcomed. Maybe it should be fashion in a more eastern flavor, I am not familiar with eastern religions but I'm opened to anything.

Believe!

GROUNDED

Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:58 PM (P)

This is exactly the kind of thing that's going to up the fandom's credibility...

ROSS52

Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:09 PM (P)

you might be able to legally.. but um, no. How about let's not.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:14 PM (P)

The Book of Joss

Behold, that there was Buffy the Vampire Slayer which was a Box Office bomb, which begat Buffy the Vampire Slayer which was a UPN smash hit, which begat Angel that I did not watch, which begat Firefly the Big Damn TV show, which began Serenity the Big Damn Movie and all the generations from Buffy the Vampire Slayer which was a Box Office bomb to Serenity the Big Damn Movie were 13.
And in the day of Buffy the Vampire Slayer which was a UPN smash hit and Angel which I did not watch, there came Firefly, the Big Damn TV show.
Lo, for the Fox Network caused a great plague of locusts to come upon Firefly and consumeth the bounty of the Market, and Firefly was rendered asunder and a locust did fly up Joss’ nose and Joss did sneeze and blew forth a Big Damn Movie.
And Joss went unto the Land of Fox TV and spake, saying “Fox Network why hast thou caused a plague of locusts to come upon Firefly and consumeth the bounty of the Market, such that Firefly was rendered asunder and a locust did fly up on my nose that I did sneeze and blew forth a Big Damn Movie?”
And Fox Network smote him on the head, saying “the bounty of thy nose is great but it shall never bring forth Firefly unto the land of Fox Network TV.”

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:15 PM (P)

Well, if you want to believe in something why not this?

MER

Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:19 PM (P)

Actually, if it's Whedonism, it should include Buffy and Angel b/c well, in in a way, Buffy's kind of holy. Angel, he's seeking for redemption..very saint or fallen guy type of stuff.

But I'd say what you have there is Fireflyism which is part of the Whedon religion. lol I could swear I sound scary right now...

(So all in all, yes, it's possible for a religion-I__I;;)

GRIZWALD

Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:27 PM (P)

Baptism would be in Mudder's Milk, naturally--and we could have our first internicene split over whether one should be baptized by immersion or sprinkling. (I am going to be of the immersion camp.)

NUCLEARDAY

Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:34 PM (P)

Capital idea! (Also, Finn, that cracked me up but good :)

I heretofore decree Whedonism as the official religion of my universe.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/showblog.asp?b=3323➒

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You can take my hope when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

ARTCAT81

Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:49 PM (P)

Actually Firefly/serenity has been compared to a religion by several critics already,
"Is it a show or a religion"

Browncoats are the shiniest folks in the 'verse

DAVESHAYNE

Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
Couldn't' we legally apply to the government as a formal religion and form our own church?

In the USA it's not that hard to qualify but it is lot of paperwork and hasle to go through for some minor tax benefits. The easiest is to be an ordained minister of an already recognized church (you can probably still do this online) and then form a breakaway sect. Once you do that you need to incorporate with a board of directors. Then of course the IRS will be very interested in the finances of your new religion. They take a dislike to people who try to use the religious exemption as a tax dodge.

Or if you just want to be a religion without worrying about the IRS you don't need permision at all - just start preachin' brother.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

CHRISMOORHEAD

Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:59 PM (P)

Funny, cause I looked into those Star Wars geeks trying something like this a while back. A friend of mine in the Air Force claims that there's actually a good number of people who list "Jedi" as their religion on their dog tags. Further research revealed fans putting it as their religion on census forms in Australia and England. So far, though, I havn't heard of any structured organizations promoting "The Force".

I also stumbled across a national guardsman who had his name legally changed to Optimus Prime.
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=3828

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

RHYIANAN

Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:16 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Funny, cause I looked into those Star Wars geeks trying something like this a while back. A friend of mine in the Air Force claims that there's actually a good number of people who list "Jedi" as their religion on their dog tags. Further research revealed fans putting it as their religion on census forms in Australia and England. So far, though, I havn't heard of any structured organizations promoting "The Force".

I also stumbled across a national guardsman who had his name legally changed to Optimus Prime.
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=3828

There's a lot of people that list their religion as Jedi when they're registering to vote as well.

Wash: Yeah, but psychic? That sounds like science fiction.
Zoe: You live on a spaceship, dear.

HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:24 PM (P)

Maybe we can take some version of FINN MAC CUMAHL's Book of Joss to preface the first episode.

MER couldn't we make Buffy and Angel the Arch Angels?

GRIZWALD no split on creed here, doesn't matter, can be dipped, dunked or drenched. We're very liberal.

ARTCAT81, lets make it a religion then.

DAVESHAYNE that’s pretty good. Does the church need only one ordained minister of an already recognized church in order to start another church? I don't like knowing that the IRS will be looking at us.

Maybe we can keep thinking about the Book of Joss and get back to application.

CAPTAINSHINY

Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:27 PM (P)

Whedonism: The sci-fi religion that doesnt take your money.

-Stay Shiny
"The people who made the show, and the people who saw the show, which is roughly the same number of people, fell in love with it, a little bit too much to let it go, too much to lay down arms when when the battle looked pretty much lost. In Hollywood, people like that are called unrealistic, quixotic, obsessive... In my world, they're called Browncoats."
-Joss Whedon

HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:28 PM (P)

So then we are Whedonists or should we use browncoat? I personally lean towards browncoat.

CAPTAINSHINY

Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:29 PM (P)

Browncoat can be a secty thing perhaps, like baptists or something

-Stay Shiny
"The people who made the show, and the people who saw the show, which is roughly the same number of people, fell in love with it, a little bit too much to let it go, too much to lay down arms when when the battle looked pretty much lost. In Hollywood, people like that are called unrealistic, quixotic, obsessive... In my world, they're called Browncoats."
-Joss Whedon

FOLLOWMAL

Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:39 PM (P)

Hey, if you really want to do this, I suggest giving Finn the job of writing the Holy Works of Whedon, because well.... he's got my vote.

Excellent my fleet typing friend, excellent!

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:52 PM (P)

What about our dogma. In the DBM the Operative is always asking do you know what your sin is? What do we believe, good?, evil?, is there heaven?. Is there penitence? What about pilgrimages. Do we have things like sacraments?

FOLLOWMAL

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:02 PM (P)

Can our pilgrmage be to gather around the Cap'n once a year in Cali and worship him.... please...

Oh, wait did I say that out loud?

Please diregard any previous statement uttered by this 'coat. She went temporarily insane. She seems to be better now. Well, sort of.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

DAVESHAYNE

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:07 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
DAVESHAYNE that’s pretty good. Does the church need only one ordained minister of an already recognized church in order to start another church? I don't like knowing that the IRS will be looking at us.

Ok, I should have said this in the first post but I am not a lawyer. Not only am I not a lawyer I don't even play one on television. That said I'm not sure if it's even a legal requirement to havea previously ordained minister it just makes things smoother. As to the IRS the only reason to incorporate as a religion is for tax purposes so if you don't want the feds on you then just don't incorporate. Sure you lose the tax exemption but taxation in the states isn't all that onerous. I'd say it's only really worth it if you have enough money going through your organization to make it worthwhile to pay a lawyer and an accountant to keep all of the tax stuff in order.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

DAVESHAYNE

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
What about our dogma. In the DBM the Operative is always asking do you know what your sin is? What do we believe, good?, evil?, is there heaven?. Is there penitence? What about pilgrimages. Do we have things like sacraments?

Dogma:

We hold, we hold till Serenity comes back.

Sin:

Good? Evil? We're the ones with the guns. (Sorry wrong movie)

Penitence:

"Forgive me Shepherd for I have sinned it's been 3 weeks since I saw my last episode."

"Say three hail Whedons and watch the Train Job."

Pilgrimages:

Well there is the crew looking to rescue the Ariel ambulance. Once they get that together I think we all need to consider a road trip.

Sacraments:

We must snark with great wit and pepper our lanquage with Fireflyisms. We must share the word of Whedon to all who will hear; but not door to door because that's just creepy and rude.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

FOLLOWMAL

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:21 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by daveshayne:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
What about our dogma. In the DBM the Operative is always asking do you know what your sin is? What do we believe, good?, evil?, is there heaven?. Is there penitence? What about pilgrimages. Do we have things like sacraments?

Dogma:

We hold, we hold till Serenity comes back.

Sin:

Good? Evil? We're the ones with the guns. (Sorry wrong movie)

Penitence:

"Forgive me Shepherd for I have sinned it's been 3 weeks since I saw my last episode."

"Say three hail Whedons and watch the Train Job."

Pilgrimages:

Well there is the crew looking to rescue the Ariel ambulance. Once they get that together I think we all need to consider a road trip.

Sacraments:

We must snark with great wit and pepper our lanquage with Fireflyisms. We must share the word of Whedon to all who will hear; but not door to door because that's just creepy and rude.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

Ok, I'm in. Sounds like my kinda religion!

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:23 PM (P)

That's good. I don't think that it would be a lot of money than. Maybe if we put a Bible together we can sell leather bound copies to support the church. And we can produce soft copies for free.

HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:26 PM (P)

Thats right we need prayers!

CBY

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:31 PM (P)

If you want others to make fun of you, that's the way to go. To quote Tim Allen from Galaxy Quest: "It's just a tv show!" (a good one though). People will have a good laugh at this (including me).

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HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:36 PM (P)

Don't we need to laugh? I think so. I also think it would be cool to produce a bible. And there are some really great artists on this site. I saw mphillips work it is great. But we need to get the scripture together.

HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:27 PM (P)

I ripped apart the Nicene Creed. I am really bad at writing but we need a start of a prayer. I really don't care what the pray contains. So here is the start of a prayer.

Whedon Creed

We believe in Whedon the Father of good writing, Maker of Serenity and Firefly, and of all TV shows that were great and are to come. He spoke thru the Apostles (characters). The Whedon suffered under FOX and was canceled by them, and in two years he rose again according to his promise. He will come again in glory to judge the Networks and his Whedondom will have no end.

And we believe in the Spirit of the Browncoats, who proceedeth from the Whedon and being of one substance with the Whedon. And we believe in one holy Whedonistic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one Mudders baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of Firefly, and the life of the verse to come. Amen.

SINGATE

Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:44 PM (P)

Just a slight addition, those who are immersed must drink their way out ala Peter Griffin.

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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

DAVESHAYNE

Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:49 PM (P)

A new Serenity Prayer,

Please grant me the power to change what I can
The wisdon to accept what I can't
And 5 seasons of Serenity the series

Amen

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:50 PM (P)

excellent dave.

SERENITYSLITTLEANGEL

Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:14 PM (P)

How about this:

Our Joss,
Who art in California,
Hailed be your name,
May your series come,
And your will be done,
All around our 'Verse,
As it is in yours.
Give us this day our daily Firefly
And forgive our doubts
As we forgive those who do not worship you
Lead us not into the ways of the evil Fox
But deliver us a Big Damn Sequel
For you are the greatest writer and director of all time, forever and ever.
Amen.

------------------------------------
20 conversions and counting!!!

HIXIE129

Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:17 PM (P)

SLAngel, that is great!

KIZYR

Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:38 PM (P)

Enough with this. If you really seek enlightenment, then read from the Book of Origin. Hallowed are the Ori. KF

~KF

Lord, I'm walking your way. Let me in, for my feet are sore, my clothes are ragged.
Look in my eyes, Lord, and my sins will play out on them as on a screen. Read them all.
Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
~Haven Prayer

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 1:08 AM (P)

This is not for enlightenment, nor is it a study in theology. But is it a way to show much we have been affected by the verse.

DONCOAT

Monday, February 27, 2006 1:25 AM (P)

Communion:
(1) Bite of strawberry
(2) Slug of Mudders' Milk

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 1:33 AM (P)

YES! I really like that!!!!!!!!

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:05 AM (P)

Joss took a strawberry, and blessed it, and gave it to Kaylee and said, Take, and eat. This is part of my script. And she did. So we now do this in remembrance of Firefly.

CAPTAINSHINY

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:11 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

Can our pilgrmage be to gather around the Cap'n once a year in Cali and worship him.... please...

Oh, wait did I say that out loud?

Please diregard any previous statement uttered by this 'coat. She went temporarily insane. She seems to be better now. Well, sort of.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

No, you didn't say it out loud, you ust typed it for others to read. We don't know you, though, so its OK.

We do need some sort of pilgrimage... is dressing in white robes and walking around the Ka'aba taken?

-Stay Shiny
"The people who made the show, and the people who saw the show, which is roughly the same number of people, fell in love with it, a little bit too much to let it go, too much to lay down arms when when the battle looked pretty much lost. In Hollywood, people like that are called unrealistic, quixotic, obsessive... In my world, they're called Browncoats."
-Joss Whedon

ARCADIA

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:14 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
Head of the Church: Joss Whedon
Apostles:
1) Mal
2) Zoë
3) Wash
4) Book
5) Inara
6) Jayne
7) Kaylee
8) Simon (hey, this really works!)
9) River
10) Serenity
11) River's feet (this is one of my favorite Apostles. I could worship her feet all day long.) We might even form a monastic sect where day and night her feet are worshipped.
12) ?

Can number twelve please be River's branch from OiS? Please? I'm sort of in love with it, lol...

Possible Commandments (in no particular order):
1. Shot first. :-)
2. Someone tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back.
3. Yhe small concealable weapons always go to the far left of the place setting.
4. It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think.
5. If you ever kill a person, let them be awake, facing you, and armed.
6. When you can't run anymore, you crawl... and when you can't do that, you find someone to carry you.
7. You can't stop the signal.
8. If you're going to stab someone in the back, have the balls to do it to their face.
9. Mercy is the mark of great men (or woman). Aim to be a good man (or woman. Well... aim to be all right.
10. Love. You can know all the math in the 'Verse, but take a boat in the air you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells ya she's hurtin' 'fore she keens. Makes her home.

This is a funny thread. :-) If there ever was a firefly church, though, I would be highly alarmed.

"Objects in Space"
River: It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think...

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:24 AM (P)

Hi Arcadia

Wow the commandments are really good!

I think that the branch could be 12, but what about Saffron as #12, She is really hot.

Next Joss took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to us saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is Mudders Milk and its 15% alcohol. So we now do this in remembrance of Firefly.

ARCADIA

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:49 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
I think that the branch could be 12, but what about Saffron as #12, She is really hot.

Saffron is a foxy lady, but, well... never underestimate my love for that gorram branch, lol. It will always be in my heart. If it can't be an apostle, than maybe an archangel?

Also, Saffron is sort of psycotic/evil, and never lived aboard Serenity. Of course, neither was the branch (except in River's mind...)

Maybe Wah's dinosaurs should be the tweleth apostle. Or Inara's shuttle. Or the mule. Or Zoe's gun (because it is the coolest gun ever. Or Vera (because she has a name). Something that has to do with Serenity herself.

"Objects in Space"
River: It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think...

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:54 AM (P)

CaptainShiny, the white robes aren't taken, but we are ordinary folks so there really shouldn't be a dress code. Where to pilgrimage, I really don't know yet, need more ideas.

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:55 AM (P)

Arcadia, It is definitely an Arch Angel!!!!!!!!!

FOLLOWMAL

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:55 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by CaptainShiny:
No, you didn't say it out loud, you ust typed it for others to read. We don't know you, though, so its OK.

Sorry....

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

MINIME

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:59 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Rhyianan:
Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Funny, cause I looked into those Star Wars geeks trying something like this a while back. A friend of mine in the Air Force claims that there's actually a good number of people who list "Jedi" as their religion on their dog tags. Further research revealed fans putting it as their religion on census forms in Australia and England. So far, though, I havn't heard of any structured organizations promoting "The Force".

I also stumbled across a national guardsman who had his name legally changed to Optimus Prime.
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=3828

Apparently at the last Australian census there was a move to try and get 'Jedi' listed as an official religion; all it would take (apparently) was enough people ticking the 'other' box on the form and filling in 'Jedi'... the mind boggles...

There's a lot of people that list their religion as Jedi when they're registering to vote as well.

Wash: Yeah, but psychic? That sounds like science fiction.
Zoe: You live on a spaceship, dear.

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 3:01 AM (P)

Thats okay FollowMall, and you never know, you could get a chance to worship your favorite guy :)

FOLLOWMAL

Monday, February 27, 2006 3:04 AM (P)

Thanks, Hixie I feel a little better.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 3:32 AM (P)

On the Question of Sin

Whoever, therefore, eats the strawberry or drinks the cup of MuddersMilk in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the church and he will go to that special hell that is reserved for child molesters and people who talk in the theater.

DRUIDESS

Monday, February 27, 2006 4:09 AM (P)

Quote:

Dogma:

We hold, we hold till Serenity comes back.

Sin:

Good? Evil? We're the ones with the guns. (Sorry wrong movie)

Penitence:

"Forgive me Shepherd for I have sinned it's been 3 weeks since I saw my last episode."

"Say three hail Whedons and watch the Train Job."

Pilgrimages:

Well there is the crew looking to rescue the Ariel ambulance. Once they get that together I think we all need to consider a road trip.

Sacraments:

We must snark with great wit and pepper our lanquage with Fireflyisms. We must share the word of Whedon to all who will hear; but not door to door because that's just creepy and rude.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

I am so in.

"The world's divided into two groups, panda's and alligator boys."

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 4:34 AM (P)

Great, I'll be working on more tomorrow.

KAYNA

Monday, February 27, 2006 4:52 AM (P)

You know followmal, I really think the characters should be saints.
That way they can have thier own holidays and some saints even have thier own riligiouse sects. That way you and me and all the rest of us Mal freaks could worship him and have festivals and atribute miracles to him an such.
To fill the gaps in the Apostles we could use writers, and crew, and producers, and such. Definately Tim Minear should be one.

FOLLOWMAL

Monday, February 27, 2006 4:59 AM (P)

Ooo, Kayna, I like the way you think.

Nathan festivals! Yep, I am so there!

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 5:04 AM (P)

Kayna, the Apostles are the Saints too, they have holidays and under #11 of Apostles I am thinking of having sects, for all of the Apostles. And you can worship any character in any way you want and any festival or feast day.

Church Holidays:
1) Joss birthday
2) Apostles birthdays
3) The first day firefly appeared on TV
4) Death of firefly (last day it appeared on FOX)
5) Day the movie first appeared in Theaters (different day for each part of the globe where movie opened.)
6) ?

Head of the Church: Joss Whedon
Apostles:
1) Mal
2) Zoë
3) Wash
4) Book
5) Inara
6) Jayne
7) Kaylee
8) Simon (hey, this really works!)
9) River
10) Serenity
11) River's feet (this is one of my favorite Apostles. I could worship her feet all day long.) We might even form a monastic sect where day and night her feet are worshipped.
12) ?

Next Joss took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to us saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is Mudders Milk and its 15% alcohol. So we now do this in remembrance of Firefly.

SAMEERTIA

Monday, February 27, 2006 5:11 AM (P)

Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the Valley of Serenity, I shall fear no Alliance. My Captain and his gun, they comfort me.

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 5:16 AM (P)

good! we need Proverbs!

KAYNA

Monday, February 27, 2006 5:32 AM (P)

Quote:
Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the Valley of Serenity, I shall fear no Alliance. My Captain and his gun, they comfort me.

That is so perfect!

BELOWZERO

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:48 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
Maybe we can take some version of FINN MAC CUMAHL's Book of Joss to preface the first episode.

MER couldn't we make Buffy and Angel the Arch Angels?

GRIZWALD no split on creed here, doesn't matter, can be dipped, dunked or drenched. We're very liberal.

ARTCAT81, lets make it a religion then.

DAVESHAYNE that’s pretty good. Does the church need only one ordained minister of an already recognized church in order to start another church? I don't like knowing that the IRS will be looking at us.

Maybe we can keep thinking about the Book of Joss and get back to application.

Hey, you have a future lawyer as a convert here, how about *I* worry about incorporating us and keeping the IRS happy?

I LIKE it. Heck if Scientology is for real....*shrug*

But I dunno how the cast is gonna like being referred to as "the Elder Gods."
Can I worship Mal/Nathan?

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.

BELOWZERO

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:49 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
I ripped apart the Nicene Creed. I am really bad at writing but we need a start of a prayer. I really don't care what the pray contains. So here is the start of a prayer.

Whedon Creed

We believe in Whedon the Father of good writing, Maker of Serenity and Firefly, and of all TV shows that were great and are to come. He spoke thru the Apostles (characters). The Whedon suffered under FOX and was canceled by them, and in two years he rose again according to his promise. He will come again in glory to judge the Networks and his Whedondom will have no end.

And we believe in the Spirit of the Browncoats, who proceedeth from the Whedon and being of one substance with the Whedon. And we believe in one holy Whedonistic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one Mudders baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of Firefly, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

SHould be "life of the 'verse to come"
*giggle*
I hope we aren't going straight to Special Hell for this. If we are, I'll look you up, I promise/.

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.

BELOWZERO

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by singate:
Just a slight addition, those who are immersed must drink their way out ala Peter Griffin.

_________________________________________________

We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

And what is this only 15% alcohol stuff???? Come ON people, make it at least 80 proof! *grin*

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.

BELOWZERO

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:56 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

Can our pilgrmage be to gather around the Cap'n once a year in Cali and worship him.... please...

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

Yes, and we can dance around him with ribbons, you know like the old Maypole thing....

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.

ALEN

Monday, February 27, 2006 8:52 AM (P)

good this post stays here and no tv exec hears about it :/
Dear Joss, bring back FF, fans are getting restless
Cool as a joke, tho

if life were a Lucasarts adventure:
Use CHAINSAW on BOSS. PULL CORPSE. OPEN WASTE DISPOSAL UNIT. USE CORPSE on UNIT. CLOSE DOOR.
USE LIGHTER on CIGARE

FOLLOWMAL

Monday, February 27, 2006 9:24 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BelowZero:
I hope we aren't going straight to Special Hell for this. If we are, I'll look you up, I promise/.

I promise to look you up BZ. And the maypole idea.... yea, anything for our Cap'n.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

MSCKAREN

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:52 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Arcadia:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
I think that the branch could be 12, but what about Saffron as #12, She is really hot.

...

Also, Saffron is sort of psycotic/evil, and never lived aboard Serenity. Of course, neither was the branch (except in River's mind...)

Well the original 12th apostle WAS Judas so I kinda think Saffron would be a good candidate.

Since I'm UnUv (Unitarian Universalist) according to my old dog tags, I can totally fit this into my theology!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Appears they've cancelled the show and we're still here. What does that make us?"
"Big damn junkies, Sir!"
"Ain't we just."
http://karenallover.blogspot.com/

GRIZWALD

Monday, February 27, 2006 12:27 PM (P)

This whole thread is hi-larious! I love the Ten Commandments, except that of course the "First Rule of Flying" ought also to be the first commandment, right?

I had a friend who started a church once, the Church of Jeff. Same sort of thing, only most of the "beliefs" were either sex or alcohol related. It was a very small but (unfortunately) rather active church.

SERENITYSLITTLEANGEL

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:10 PM (P)

Loving the ideas, everyone!!!! Especially the 10 commandments - but I agree with Grizwald - the first rule of flying should be at the top.

Any dates on the pilgrimage to Nathan? I'll keep the diary free.

------------------------------------
20 conversions and counting!!!

MER

Monday, February 27, 2006 2:54 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:

MER couldn't we make Buffy and Angel the Arch Angels?

Oh my god...I never thought of that...hmm Spike, would be a good one too...it's tempting to also put the scooby gang in it as well as the angel crew, but isn't there so many Arch Angels to fill in one spot?

CANUNDRUM69

Monday, February 27, 2006 4:32 PM (P)

Actually........yes we can

Jesus Saves! .... and only take Half Damage!

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 5:16 PM (P)

We need several Hymns…. I used my favorite .. Whenever I hear this song, I cry like a baby.

Amazing Joss

"Amazing Joss, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see.

T'was Joss that taught...
my heart to fear.
And Joss, my fears relieved.
How precious did that (Show) appear...
the hour I first believed."

Through many dangers, toils and snares...
we have already come.
T'was Joss that brought us safe thus far...
and Grace will lead us home.

Whedon has promised good to me...
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be...
as long as life endures.

When we've been here 500 years...
bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing Serenity's praise...
then when we've first begun.

"Amazing Joss, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see. (end)

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:22 PM (P)

MscKaren, I also think Saffron would be a good candidate for the 12th apostle..

Believe in the Spirit of the Browncoats, who proceedeth from the Whedon and being of one substance with the Whedon.

HAZE

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:33 PM (P)

Is it odd that having read this tread I now want to write the Whedonist Bible?

I can say Joss dictated it to me while I was in a trance.

--------------------------------------------------
Who do you suppose is in there?

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:42 PM (P)

Grizwald, I agree too, First Rule of Flying" ought also to be the first commandment. {edit}

ANDERSON12

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:46 PM (P)

FUCK NO

What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

ANDERSON12

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:46 PM (P)

FUCK NO

What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

ANDERSON12

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:46 PM (P)

FUCK NO

What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

ANDERSON12

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:46 PM (P)

FUCK NO

What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

ANDERSON12

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:46 PM (P)

FUCK NO

What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

ANDERSON12

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:46 PM (P)

FUCK NO

What a bunch of bull. Even now, there won't be a sequel, not a chance. The only people who saw this movie were the fans + change, and that's not enough. I've heard the stories, all the damn stories about how people walked into a movie theater and saw 50 people who, they say, are first timers, and really enjoyed the movie. How the hell do they know what other people are thinking... 50 people especially. But look at the numbers: $24 Million, and not even $40 Million worldwide. And they say there will be a sequel, or a tv series, or whatever the hell people think is able to be produced after a movie just bombed at the box office. Look at "Saw II", "Saw II" cost $4 Million to make and has already grossed $30 Million in the US alone. Now that's what it takes to get a sequel going, a strong opening. Not some sad $10 Million in the first weekend. And they say, well compared to the per-theater gross, it did rather well, but not really, not at all. "Serenity" earned about $4160 per screen, and all that after "lots" of attention, or somewhat too little I say. And compared to the first "Saw" movie with little favor prior to the film ended up grossing over $18 Million in its first weekend alone, with $7895 per screen, at a production budget of $1,200,000 (that's right $1.2 Million). And I got my info from the-numbers.com so I ain't making this stuff up.

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 6:56 PM (P)

It's a matter of belief, "believe in something"

Believe in the Spirit of the Browncoats, who proceedeth from the Whedon and being of one substance with the Whedon.

BENDAS

Monday, February 27, 2006 7:13 PM (P)

We could use the church of firefly to make money for a next series or even a second film

You’ll all love this

http://www.strangefinger.com/Firefly-Prayer.mp3

I'm jayne for world bookday

MATTCOZ

Monday, February 27, 2006 7:22 PM (P)

Worked for the Jedi.

HIXIE129

Monday, February 27, 2006 7:27 PM (P)

We had already discussed using the church to make money for the next series.

I really don't want to get into any fund raising. I played the link, it sounded too dreary. (thats what I think) but I all go along with the majority. I think everybody should be happy and excited,, I do think we should have prayers maybe we can make a little better recording.

I think the service should be more "Rocky Mountain horror" At midnight.. Everyone in the theater would sing along and lite their lighters... (Well thats just my thought)

KAYNA

Monday, February 27, 2006 10:19 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BelowZero:
Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

Can our pilgrmage be to gather around the Cap'n once a year in Cali and worship him.... please...

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

Yes, and we can dance around him with ribbons, you know like the old Maypole thing....

Yay, Maypole Mal!
I'm in.

SCORPIONREGENT

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:11 AM (P)

I know that a surprising number of young servicemen and women have Jedi listed as their religion on their dogtags. So if they can do that then we could do this. However I all ready have my own religion and I just need followers so I will have to excuse myself do to a conflict of interest.

Scorpion Regent

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:30 AM (P)

Anderson(is)12: So you're saying "No", then? I'm not sure I understood your meaning, but I took it to be "not so much with the religion" or something like that. Something that kinda sounded like a "No". Thanks for playing, anyway.

Now, as to incorporating, tax-exempt status, et al, I don't see a problem there. Let's face it: according to Fox and Universal, neither the show nor the movie really made any money, so we're ALREADY a non-profit group!

And you ladies should stop with all the talk of Mal's maypole and such. Might make a feller feel left out.

A Firefly/Whedonite religion? Hell, crazier things have happened. Just look at [insert your own religious cult name here], for instance. But I might be in, not having any other religion cluttering up my brain and all. Long as I don't have to grovel, bow, and scrape. Or anoint Joss's feet with oil. Summer's, definitely, but not Joss's.

Mike

I'm a dyslexic, agnostic amnesiac. I lay awake all night wondering if there's a Dog.

CANUNDRUM69

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:03 AM (P)

Let me say, as a Legally Ordained Rverend, it is possible to do so if you feel strongly enough about this.
I might suggest though something not as encompassing, may "The Church of Serenity"
Observe teh Holidays based on Serenity and Firefly.
I would think that Malcolm Reynolds being the Main Character should hold the
place of greatest Reverence, espcially with such commandments as "Hold, Until I get back"

You would then need to scribe a Gospel according to each of the crewmembers of Serenity

It actually isn't a bad idea....
If something is truly good and you believe strongly enough and are willing to
go the distance with it and not just joke about it, you an have a good religion there

There may well be a supreme message in the things Mal and his crew say and do
We cannot know all the ways that God chooses to make our lives worthwhile

Someone posted about people Claiming their relgion ot be Jedi on a voter registration
Teh Jedi Religion is not very far removed for most mainstream religions in concept.

This would do as well, who really cares if you call it Congregating or a Shindig?
All in all Mal is a verty honorable man and has a lot to teach as do his followers.
Let us not worship a single person like Joss
But lets then perhaps worship an ideal......I belive Serenity is in fact an Ideal

Personally, I wouldn't Balk at wearing a Browncoat as Vestments.....

Love thy neighbor, just don't get caught

MELAM

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:14 AM (P)

Recorded myself singing Amazing Joss. It's a bit scratchy because I just got over a cold, and I decided to make it sound good and folksy.

It's only avaliable for a limited amount of downloads though because I don't have my own server.

http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=19EH39YZP1M4Q1JM0DDBFW18JY

"Putting the Me in Mercinary, Jayne Cobb."

"Joss, what is the future of television? What will we watch? And how will we watch it? Surely you must know, for you are wise, and slender."

HIXIE129

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:20 PM (P)

Melam, that was absolutely beautiful! I had tears of joy in my eyes when I heard you sing. We'll play it at every service..

HIXIE129

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:43 PM (P)

Canundrum69, I was thinking that the script from each episode would be a Gospel.
More like… The Good News According to Shindig, The Good News According to Train Job, The Good News According to Safe. Etc.

Joss and all the characters are to be worshipped, the characters bring the message created by Joss.
Joss creator, Characters=Apostles=Saints.

Each Saint has it's own characteristics, the people can and do interpret it in different ways.
Mal might equal strength
Kaylee = Love
River's feet = Well, some people have fetishes. (They are cute)

MATTCOZ

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:49 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ScorpionRegent:
I know that a surprising number of young servicemen and women have Jedi listed as their religion on their dogtags.

It's an official option on the UK census too.

HIXIE129

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:55 PM (P)

Kwicko, that was really funny when you said, "neither the show nor the movie really made any money, so we're ALREADY a non-profit group!"

If this gets going I would like to form a monastic sect where day and night River's feet are worshipped. Also I think everyone should be able to worship any way they want, and the girls should have their maypole.

Next Joss took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to us saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is Mudders Milk and its 15% alcohol. So we now do this in remembrance of Firefly.

DRUIDESS

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:07 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kayna:
You know followmal, I really think the characters should be saints.
That way they can have thier own holidays and some saints even have thier own riligiouse sects. That way you and me and all the rest of us Mal freaks could worship him and have festivals and atribute miracles to him an such.
To fill the gaps in the Apostles we could use writers, and crew, and producers, and such. Definately Tim Minear should be one.

I think the characters should be apostles. I see Mal as the messiah character coz we're to hold til he gets back. That makes his followers, or crew, apostles, with Tracy taking the place of Judas for me as he was a follower of Mal and Saffron was not. Joss would be the father of Mal.

HIXIE129, I think the gospels from each apostle would be different from scripts as each character has such a unique view of the verse and relationship to Mal.

I agree with CANUNDRUM69 that there could be a lot to learn as it's already brought together some very different people in a warm fuzzy kinda way. And I also think it would be a great story/parabel (sp?) and a hoot and a half.

I would join the Church of Serentiy in a heart beat. And I would love to write the gospel of River (having been a loon myself, I feel especially qualified:))

"The world's divided into two groups, panda's and alligator boys."

AYATOLLAHKHOMEINI

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:29 PM (P)

[img]
Ayatollah Khomeini says:

"How can you start a church based off of a TV show that was cancelled in its first season?"

HIXIE129

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 1:20 AM (P)

Hi, druidess,

I don't care; I want what the majority wants. (I just needed to say that one more time.) That was not directed to you.

Me personally, I look at it a little differently, I don't see Mal as the Messiah, Joss is the Messiah (God). He(Joss) has created the verse and everything in it. Mal and the characters are a way of bringing Joss's Word (The script) to us... That’s why the(characters) are the Apostles.

And using the scripts as Gospels eliminates some potential (technical problems.) Also everyone knows each and every word of every episode. So it's very easy to say "The next reading is from the Gospel According to the Shindig Episode, Scene one." And lastly Joss said that the ship Serenity was the 10th character and that River's feet was the 11th. Well although I would very much like to write about her feet, (very cute) it would be a little cumbersome. And lastly, lastly most of the Apostles in real life did not write the Gospels either. These are just my own thoughts.

HIXIE129

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 2:33 AM (P)

BelowZero, at least it won't be that special hell, and I made the change to the creed.

Next Joss took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to us saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is Mudders Milk and its 15% alcohol. So we now do this in remembrance of Firefly.

DRUIDESS

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:51 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
Hi, druidess,

I don't care; I want what the majority wants. (I just needed to say that one more time.) That was not directed to you.

Me personally, I look at it a little differently, I don't see Mal as the Messiah, Joss is the Messiah (God). He(Joss) has created the verse and everything in it. Mal and the characters are a way of bringing Joss's Word (The script) to us... That’s why the(characters) are the Apostles.

And using the scripts as Gospels eliminates some potential (technical problems.) Also everyone knows each and every word of every episode. So it's very easy to say "The next reading is from the Gospel According to the Shindig Episode, Scene one." And lastly Joss said that the ship Serenity was the 10th character and that River's feet was the 11th. Well although I would very much like to write about her feet, (very cute) it would be a little cumbersome. And lastly, lastly most of the Apostles in real life did not write the Gospels either. These are just my own thoughts.

Mommy, what is "sects"?

Well, little Billy, sects is when two people have the same fundamental belief but view the details differently, so they either start a holy war with thousands to millions of people killing thousands to millions of other people in a state of orgasmic religious extacy, or, they agree one will have bingo and the other won't.

Or maybe it's when two people are drunk and one has handcuffs.

Nonono, it's the belief thing.

Yes, Rodney, we can all get along.

"The world's divided into two groups, panda's and alligator boys."

BELOWZERO

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 4:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:

If this gets going I would like to form a monastic sect where day and night River's feet are worshipped. Also I think everyone should be able to worship any way they want, and the girls should have their maypole.

Yes! if you can worship River's feet then no more about us and Mal's maypole gorramit!
(this is all hilarious)

Way to go, Irreverend Hixie!

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.

MELAM

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:56 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
Melam, that was absolutely beautiful! I had tears of joy in my eyes when I heard you sing. We'll play it at every service..

Awww, shucks and all thanks. Just looking to help spread the word of the Joss.

"Putting the Me in Mercinary, Jayne Cobb."

"Joss, what is the future of television? What will we watch? And how will we watch it? Surely you must know, for you are wise, and slender."

FRANKIE

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 7:55 AM (P)

I'm not sure if I'm real comfy with calling Joss "God."

I'm not interested in worshiping mortal people (they always let you down). And the real thing we're here for is Firefly, not Joss (although he is totally awesome, and we love him).

I think he'd have to be less of a God figure, and more of a Prophet. I mean... if you look at what he does, technically, he's more of a prophet. Also, I agree with the notion that the other writers and directors should be the apostles. Tim Minear should definately get some credit.

I like the idea of the characters being Saints, since that means we can have little candles to them, and pick our favorites, and etc.

I don't think that Saffron should get to be an apostle or saint or whatsits, since she's not technically a part of the ensemble, she's a guest start. I mean... she definately deserves some mention... just probably not on the level with the main ensemble.

And if we're giving guest stars mention, I think Nandi should get credit as a Martyr.

And objects such as River's Branch, Zoe's Gun, Wash's Dinosaurs, Veera, and so on, should be Holy Relics or some such like that.

The problem with having scriptures written by fans is that not every one can agree on that. If we take stuff directly from show, if it's all Canon material, I think that'll be the best way to keep everyone happy. Plus, it would be pretty cool to have a spiffy little book of all the scripts.

Of course, we can write prayers, proverbs, hymns, etc., because those are generally written by followers and you don't have to like them all because they're not technically considered docterine (at least not as far as I know).

But baptism in mudder's milk? Ew. I always picture mudder's milk being chunky... How about we're baptised in... i dunno... anything else.

Maybe Sake.

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this is the captain. we have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.

BROWNCOATGHOST

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:29 AM (P)

Should I be disturbed, ashamed, incredulous or dying of laughter that this was the very first thread this late volunteer to the Browncoats has read here? Perhaps a combination of all the above? I know the last certainly applies.

In any case, I seem to have found my unit at last. And Cap'n Tightpants has a plow, not a maypole, gorram it -- though I suppose it could be turned into a maypole if it were b --

*cough* Sorry, can't continue. My voice seems to be frightening the cattle. Maybe if I droned...

'And when the brightness of the 'verse was shut away in the oblivion of the hungry fox spirit, lo, did one and a thousandscore Browncoats raise their voices in keening grief and outrage. "Thou hast forsaken us!" cried they. "Nay, I have forgotten thee not," intoned The Whedon from yonder golden hills in the Valley of Serenity, "for this 'verse was created of mine very heart and blood and soul, and yea, its loss too pains me. Thus shall I toil ceaselessly until it is restored and one and all may once again partake of its shininess." In harmonious unison did the Browncoats cry their relief, but yet again spake The Whedon, "Alas, the wounds to mine heart and blood and soul have been grievous and many, and thus shall I require of thine aid. Go forth and speak of Serenity and her nine shiny souls that those beyond shall awaken the Browncoats within them, for yea, a true Browncoat well knows when injustice has been done to one and all, and none will stand to allow one's fellow Browncoats to twist in the wind thus. So shall each Browncoat rally to our shindig, until the noise we make is so great that oblivion shall be rendered asunder and the hungry fox spirit cannot help but return the 'verse which is rightfully ours. Fear not the long nights filled with Reavers ahead, my devoted, for although it take uncounted sunsets, no one can take the sky from us." Thus did The Whedon's Browncoats set forth and speak of Serenity and her nine shiny souls, and thus do the armies of Independence grow. Yea, with the steadfastness of fireflies burning in their hearts and true serenity glowing in their eyes do they yet march forth, until such a sunset as This Land is returned them as is just and proper. And none who send of the signal hath The Whedon ever forgotten.'

*peers about* Good, looks like the cattle's gone to sleep. Then again, maybe I need sleep more, seeing as I had only three hours last night and can only blame this post on too many strawberries.

HIXIE129

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 2:32 PM (P)

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Originally posted by frankie:
I'm not sure if I'm real comfy with calling Joss "God."

I'm not interested in worshiping mortal people (they always let you down). And the real thing we're here for is Firefly, not Joss (although he is totally awesome, and we love him).

I think he'd have to be less of a God figure, and more of a Prophet. I mean... if you look at what he does, technically, he's more of a prophet. Also, I agree with the notion that the other writers and directors should be the apostles. Tim Minear should definately get some credit.

I like the idea of the characters being Saints, since that means we can have little candles to them, and pick our favorites, and etc.

I don't think that Saffron should get to be an apostle or saint or whatsits, since she's not technically a part of the ensemble, she's a guest start. I mean... she definately deserves some mention... just probably not on the level with the main ensemble.

And if we're giving guest stars mention, I think Nandi should get credit as a Martyr.

And objects such as River's Branch, Zoe's Gun, Wash's Dinosaurs, Veera, and so on, should be Holy Relics or some such like that.

The problem with having scriptures written by fans is that not every one can agree on that. If we take stuff directly from show, if it's all Canon material, I think that'll be the best way to keep everyone happy. Plus, it would be pretty cool to have a spiffy little book of all the scripts.

Of course, we can write prayers, proverbs, hymns, etc., because those are generally written by followers and you don't have to like them all because they're not technically considered docterine (at least not as far as I know).

But baptism in mudder's milk? Ew. I always picture mudder's milk being chunky... How about we're baptised in... i dunno... anything else.

Maybe Sake.

_______________________________________

this is the captain. we have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.

Hi Frankie,
I think that God can be of many essences, God of Creation, God of Love, God of truth, God of Redemption, God of healing and so on. Joss is Creator of Firefly/Serenity so maybe God of Story Telling? As for prophet, Jesus was God and a prophet too. So it still works.

I don't like that there should be more than 12 Apostles, anyone else can be Saints, or Bishops or something like. If more than 12 Apostles than the Bible would be broken, and we can't have that…

On Saffron, I think Saffron should be an Apostle. She was the best guest Character, she was really hot! She does fit the role of Judas the betrayer, and lastly she is still (technically) married to Mal, so she is a Mrs. Apostle.

Good point of Nandi, she definitely needs to classified as a Martyr

I do think the different objects like the gun, dinosaurs, etc should be holy relics…

Do you think we can have the branch as an Archangel? Because Arcadia has mention to me a couple of times about the branch (still trying to figure this one out) and in fact Arcadia said, "Never underestimate my love for that gorram branch, lol. It will always be in my heart. If it can't be an apostle, than maybe an archangel?"

It really sounds to me that there is some real connection between her and the branch (which is really a gun) but who am I to judge, I got this thing for River's feet, Arcadia is a tree isn't it. Maybe that's the connection..

And we definitely need more prayers, we need at min, a prayer to each apostle, Archangel, and so on.

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