Hollywood is trash ,too political ,and UNFAIR

POSTED BY: Windwalker
UPDATED: Saturday, January 21, 2006 07:38
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WINDWALKER

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:37 PM (P)

I saw the Golden Globes the other night and i came to one conclusion
The gay/lesbian activism agenda has gone too far.
I'm all for respecting peoples lifestyles and such but enough is enough. i think we got the message,

Now let good movies like Serenity get some "GOLD"

Best Picture – Drama
Brokeback Mountain
Director: Ang Lee
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Best Actress – Drama
Felicity Huffman
Transamerica
Writer/Director: Duncan Tucker
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Best Actor – Drama
Philip Seymour Hoffman
Capote
Director: Bennett Miller
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Even my TV shows
Everyone has a gay reference. Please stop flaunting it I am tired of it.

Too much of one thing can be very boring.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

KSC

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:43 PM (P)

I wouldnt let award shows bother you. How often do genre specific films get reconized for anything other than score and effects? Even LOTR:ROTK, a film that won multiple Oscars, didnt have any actors as winners.

Edit: And I just realized that not what youre talking about, sorry.

FLIPDOG

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:44 PM (P)

And *ahem* didn't deserve it.

Just like Star Wars will win multiple awards because it's the "end" of an era.

It's also just all a scam. Do you really think that its about "good cinema" these days? I mean, has anyone seen 1963 Orcar winner Lawrence of Arabia. It won because of great-just-about-everything.

KSC

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:47 PM (P)

I beg to differ on BOTH points. LOTR has steller acting performances and SW wont win anything! Lucasfilm, one of the biggest effects houses in the world still lost to The Matrix in '99 and The Two Towers in '02. As much as I love SW, they are just fanboy cannon fodder at this point. They try to revolutionize and end up getting beat down by fledgling artists. As far as acting, in a SW movie,dreadful at best.

KENT

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:56 PM (P)

The gay agenda!
The widespread homosexual conspiracy!
The enormous pressure from society to make you fornicate with people of your own gender!
Hollywood constantly forcing you to watch movies with gay people in them!

It's madness! Madness!

Give me a break. It's a great movie, and getting the attention and credit it deserves... deal with it.

FLIPDOG

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:03 PM (P)

I'm also not disputing the fact that SW is crap nowadays, but it's the principle of the thing, they will win because it's then end of the "epic saga."

LotR won for the same reason, it wasn't RotK that won specifically, it was all the films put together. My opinion on it, the acting was okay, the effects: not so great. The directing...well, don't get me started on PJ.

KSC

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:05 PM (P)

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Originally posted by FlipDog:
...well, don't get me started on PJ.

Well considering he's one of my favorite directors from Braindead to Kong, I wont.

EMPXENU

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:06 PM (P)

LotR's effects "not so great"? What kind of standard do you go by?

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"I think, therefore I am... I think"

FLIPDOG

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:14 PM (P)

By "not-so-great" I mean it looked fake at times. For example, my favorite piece of bad green-screening: Aragorn's speech to the troops. The backdrop had no depth and just so flat. The CG in FotR and TTT was mcuh better than RotK. It looked rushed and thrown together.

My standards are along the lines of not getting up and saying "It's a beautiful CG day outside." (As in PotC) My standards are about using models and techniques that don't 100% take place in a computer. Yes, there are some things that work, but it's like shooting on digital as compared to film. There's no personality to it, it's "too perfect." Oops, I screwed up...oh well, fix it in post.

CARTOON

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:21 PM (P)

Well, what makes good cinema (or just about anything) is subjective, and what one person thinks is "great", another person can see as "poop" (I don't care how many art schools you went to, I wouldn't dirty dog vomit by putting a Picasso next to it.)

But, I agree with Windwalker in that there is certainly a political agenda in Hollywood -- and it's far left. Naturally, I'm a conservative who's so far to the right that next to me Ronald Reagan was commie.

But, in all seriousness, did anyone notice how "The Passion of the Christ" was ignored by the award-nominating powers that be last year? Granted, I saw the film, and I didn't think it was stellar, but the point is, if the film were something that degraded Christ, it probably would've been nominated for fifty thousand awards (and won most of them).

It's no secret that Hollywood is not only left of center, but left of left. Even though family oriented movies continue doing well at the box office, they prefer to throw their awards at liberal garbage. Go figure.

Then good taste never was one of Hollywood's strong points. Just look at Firefly's multi-seasoned run.

That's my opinion.

"You don't pay me to talk pretty."

FLIPDOG

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:31 PM (P)

A-freaking-men!

DERANGEDMILK

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kent:
The gay agenda!
The widespread homosexual conspiracy!
The enormous pressure from society to make you fornicate with people of your own gender!
Hollywood constantly forcing you to watch movies with gay people in them!

It's madness! Madness!

Give me a break. It's a great movie, and getting the attention and credit it deserves... deal with it.

Thankyou Kent.
-e

"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."

WINDWALKER

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:50 PM (P)

I beg to differ
It's just another part of the Hollywood overkill.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

WINDWALKER

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:05 PM (P)

Poop is a good term

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

SAMEERTIA

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:18 PM (P)

I think "Brokeback Mountain" was one of the best films of the year. The script, cinematography, and acting were all superb.

Have you seen it, and if so can you point out to me where it is undeserving of any of the recognition that it has recieved? Because I've seen it twice, once caught up in it and once with a more critical eye, and have found it flawless.

I think comparitively it is a slightly better made film than "Walk The Line" - the other big favorite at the Golden Globes.

CARTOON

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Windwalker:
Poop is a good term

Would poop by any other name smell as sweet?

Of course, you know there are going to be people defending other people's right to poop. Not that I have anything against anyone pooping -- but, I'd prefer they do it in private, and not expect the rest of the world to watch and applaud while they do.

"Sir, I think you have a problem with your brain being missing."

WINDWALKER

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:30 PM (P)

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

WINDWALKER

Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:21 AM (P)

Only the nose knows

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:
Quote:
Originally posted by Windwalker:
Poop is a good term

Would poop by any other name smell as sweet?

Of course, you know there are going to be people defending other people's right to poop. Not that I have anything against anyone pooping -- but, I'd prefer they do it in private, and not expect the rest of the world to watch and applaud while they do.

"Sir, I think you have a problem with your brain being missing."

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:28 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SameErtia:
I think "Brokeback Mountain" was one of the best films of the year. The script, cinematography, and acting were all superb.

Have you seen it, and if so can you point out to me where it is undeserving of any of the recognition that it has recieved? Because I've seen it twice, once caught up in it and once with a more critical eye, and have found it flawless.

I think comparitively it is a slightly better made film than "Walk The Line" - the other big favorite at the Golden Globes.

I thought it was mediocre and definitely not deserving of all the praise that it gets. However, I’ve thought that about a lot of films that were highly praised so maybe that doesn’t mean much. In the end, I’ve never been one for love stories. “Walk the Line” was miles better then “Brokeback Mountain,” but I’m a big Johnny Cash fan, so maybe that biases me. Still, I doubt I’ll ever see “Walk the Line” again. It was, after all, a love story.

But back to the point at hand, Hollywood is a joke. It always has been. It’s a place were trendy politics, mostly Left-wing, is more important then art. And so it is no surprise to anyone that in the midst of gay-rights trendy politics fad, Hollywood comes out with a basket full of gay films and gives them all Golden Globes. In the end, however good these films were artistically is second to Hollywood’s shallow and self-involving desire to sit around in trendy coffee shops and pat themselves on the back for being so damn trendy. No one can honestly take any of it seriously, and that is not only unfortunate for the films, many of which are pretty good, but also for the socio-politics, some of which is actually important, but Hollywood wouldn’t know an important issue if it fell into their tofu and pineapple salad while they are doing Pilates on the veranda overlooking all those people in housing projects in East Hollywood they couldn’t give a shit about.

So there.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

JUBELLATE

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:12 AM (P)

The day I care about award shows is the day I take myself out back and end my miserable life with a 12 gauge. You can assured that day is a long way off.

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H.L. Mencken

MAUGWAI

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:19 AM (P)

I'm curious. How many people who keep going on about how aweful Hollywood is have actually lived here or been involved in the industry? It's really easy to talk crap about a place in which you've never actually spent any time, especially if you've never been in the industry and have no idea how films really operate.

"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

CARTOON

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:38 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by maugwai:
I'm curious. How many people who keep going on about how aweful Hollywood is have actually lived here or been involved in the industry? It's really easy to talk crap about a place in which you've never actually spent any time, especially if you've never been in the industry and have no idea how films really operate.

I've never been inside a colon, either, but I know poo when I see it.

Just my opinion.

""Time for some thrillin' heroics."

JUBELLATE

Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:04 AM (P)

oh, I like movies and I like people who make good movies, but all the self congratulation in the world could not stir my interest.

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H.L. Mencken

THECOLLECTOR

Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:36 AM (P)

One problem with the Hollywood Overkill theroy is that Brokeback Mountain is that it's an Independent film... a movie that was made out of Ang Lee's pocket. He didn't go to some big production company... he did it all on his own.

One thing that is cool is that Independent movies are being recognized... and they're coming into their own... there was quite a few good ones last year and I guess... there are quite a bit this year.

LOTR:ROTK won all the awards they were nominated for because first off... the Academy turned a blind eye to TTT and Fellowship... Reason being is that had they awarded them awards for those movies... it'd be snubbing people in three years instead of one.

Star Wars won't get much attention at the oscars... maybe "Best Score" but nothing huge... I mean they won "Favorite Drama" at the People's Choice Awards... but this year was a joke... look at who won.

MAUGWAI

Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:49 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:
Quote:
Originally posted by maugwai:
I'm curious. How many people who keep going on about how aweful Hollywood is have actually lived here or been involved in the industry? It's really easy to talk crap about a place in which you've never actually spent any time, especially if you've never been in the industry and have no idea how films really operate.

I've never been inside a colon, either, but I know poo when I see it.

Just my opinion.

""Time for some thrillin' heroics."

So in other words, you don't actually know what you're talking about. So let me school you.

If you really look at the industry, this year has been great for the film industry's state. Lately, the only movies executives want to greenlight are existing properties because they're safe. Executives get fired and promoted at the drop of a hat, and every movie that tanks is one more way to lose your job. Taking a risk is, well, it's just too risky.

So that's how we get so many adaptations and remakes: they're safe. By the way, Serenity actually falls into that category.

That's also why nobody makes "R" rated comedies anymore. Most movies are geared to adolescent boys because they tend to go to the movies more than anyone else, but they can't get into an "R" rated film.

Yet this year, King Kong did not do as well as exepected. Neither did Memoirs of a Geisha or Be Cool. Formulaic romantic comedies had mediocre returns. (anybody remember The Wedding Date?) Batman Returns didn't do well because it was Batman; it did well because it was good.

Sure, some crappy movies did well. People still pay to see crap. But the biggest surprise to everyone out here were two comedies: Wedding Crashers and Forty-Year-Old Virgin. Those are "R" rated comedies that smoked the crap out of the competition. The trades can't stop talking about Wedding.

Then there were two brilliant films that were completely original properties: the contorversial Munich and the controversial Brokeback Mountian. If there's one thing executives have learned this year, it's that we're not all adolescent boys. The execs who took risks and greenlit those pictures, especially Brokeback Mountain, will be rewarded.

Hollywood is first and foremost a business. Everyone involved needs to make money or they lose their job. Keep going to good films and they will keep making good films. But don't call everybody out here names. There are idiots within the industry, just like in any job. But there is some amazing talent out here too.

"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

SPINLAND

Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:55 PM (P)

Thanks for a breath of fresh air and intelligence, maugwai. Although I can't help but wonder: what does this thread have to do with general discussions about Firefly? Isn't there a different forum for real world events?

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WINDWALKER

Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:46 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Spinland:
Thanks for a breath of fresh air and intelligence, maugwai. Although I can't help but wonder: what does this thread have to do with general discussions about Firefly? Isn't there a different forum for real world events?

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"That's what governments are for, [to] get in a man's way." -- Malcolm Reynolds

OK hair splitter. It is relevent to FireFly
I was ranting about how Serenity didn't get zip and Hollywood has overlooked one of the greater SciFi flicks of the 21st century for a sexualy oriented piece of garbage.
FireFly/Serenity are going be let it slip into obscurity by the Hollywood moguls
Just wait

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

SPINLAND

Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:00 PM (P)

*shrug* Okay, I'll grant that. It's definitely disappointing that Serenity got snubbed, I agree. But what makes Brokeback Mountain any more a "sexually oriented piece of garbage" than any other romantic comedy/drama out there?

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"That's what governments are for, [to] get in a man's way." -- Malcolm Reynolds

CARTOON

Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:14 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by maugwai:
So in other words, you don't actually know what you're talking about. So let me school you.

Know what I'm talking about as regards to producing a movie? No. Guilty as charged, there.

Know what I'm talking about when I see a turd dropped in front of me and someone tries to tell me that it's "art". Sorry. I beg to differ.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Windwalker (as this was YOUR thread), this thread wasn't about what's popular or makes money, and what isn't popular and/or loses money, and why.

It's about how Hollywood goes all googoo-eyed over radical crap and bows down to itself as the purveyor of progression, when all it's doing is alienating a huge chunk of it's audience by it's self-aggrandizing behavior of material so far to the left, that a majority of Americans wouldn't wipe their posteriors with it.

As to the comment as to how one can't understand how something works if one has never worked in that field -- my previous comment was a more than sufficient reply to that allegation.

In case it needs some clarification -- I've never been inside a colon and watched the process of excrement being produced. I can't give you a specific list of ingredients or the chemical make-up of the product, or venture a guess as to the scheduling of the production or expulsion of said product. But, I can certainly recognize the end result when I see it, smell it ,or (unfortunately) step in it.

And, as I also said previously, I haven't anything against anyone pooping -- but, I'd prefer they do it in private, and not expect the rest of the world to watch and applaud while they do (which is exactly what Hollywood is doing everytime they bestow "honors" on their radical garbage).

I agree, Windwalker, "Serenity" deserved acknowledgement from the industry and was ignored. As I've repeatedly said elsewhere, Summer Glau's performance alone deserved a nod. It's a darn shame that the industry, instead choses to glorify its excrement.

""Time for some thrillin' heroics."

GEEJAKE

Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by derangedmilk:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kent:
The gay agenda!
The widespread homosexual conspiracy!
The enormous pressure from society to make you fornicate with people of your own gender!
Hollywood constantly forcing you to watch movies with gay people in them!

It's madness! Madness!

Give me a break. It's a great movie, and getting the attention and credit it deserves... deal with it.

I thought it was piece of crap!! If you liked the film great, but if you dont think that this film is part of a far left agenda your kidding yourself...I dont mind movies that have a progressive message in it ( i am a huge fan of Robert Altman,Mike Nichols,John Sayles etc..)but i am getting tired of progressive messages being disguised as movies...Nice rant but it has nothing to do with people saying "hollywood wants you to be gay" the film in question had very little reason to me made much less raved about....

WINDWALKER

Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:23 PM (P)

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

CARTOON

Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:30 PM (P)

LOL

Wind, you're just killin' me with these pics.

LOL

If I didn't recognize my Dad's favorite comedians (I loved them, too), I'd think you were putting up pics of an earlier version of the current film you're complaining about.

BTW, I know this is a bit off-topic, but I prefered L&H's silents over their talkies. Unfortunately, I haven't seen head nor tail of their silents since PBS (yes, believe it or not, at one time I actually watched PBS) ran "The Dawn of L&H" (I think that was the mid 1970's).

"You don't pay me to talk pretty."

FLIPDOG

Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:10 PM (P)

Why do you keep posting that?

The thing is, Maugwai is right to most extents. I work in the business, its not nice, its not happy, and people are stupid. Yes, good films usually get snubbed. Unless its an artsy fartsy film that is uncharacteristically well made. And the gou se eye-candy is loved for eternity.

NEVERED

Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:38 PM (P)

Cartoon and Windwalker: have you even watched the movie?

or do you just call it shit (which seems to be the only thing you can say) out of habit?

Brokeback Mountain isn't getting awards because it 'makes a statement' or 'progresses the hollywood liberal agenda' it's getting awards because it was a damn fine movie with brilliant acting, and wasn't another cookie cutter romantic comedy, like so much of the garbage being released these days.

sure Serenity wasn't recognised. but you know what? i'm not really suprised, nor particularly angry. hell, i can pretty much see why they didn't (though i may not agree with them)

Serenity was a great action flick, an enormously entertaining sci-fi thriller, and overall just lots of fun. i really had a good time watching it.

but compare it with what else is out there, and the acting isn't really top notch and the directing falls short of most great dramas.

i would watch Serenity over anything else out there at the drop of a hat, but I can't really say that fillion acted better than ledger or that whedon directed better than lee.

Serenity was fun, entertaining, thrilling, and any number of other superlatives; but that's not the stuff that wins awards at the globes.

WINDWALKER

Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:02 PM (P)

Actually i like Mel Brooks Westerns and movies
they deal with the subject more realistically
I think the Gay Movement takes itself too seriously

After a while it gets boring.
the references i don't mind but I see a trend in the different shows that I watch and being of a scientific nature i see a pattern and I know how propaganda works ...being that i was in an intelligence group for years.

The profile is there.
Or are we really that dumb not to see a blitz of political trash when we see it.

i say look at the pattern and count the references in your shows.
Environmental comments, sexual orientation comments, morality comments.

Hide and watch as i used to say in the bush

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

CITIZEN

Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:24 PM (P)

Quote:
Well considering he's one of my favorite directors from Braindead to Kong, I wont.

Have you seen Bad Taste?

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CARTOON

Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:35 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by nevered:
Cartoon and Windwalker: have you even watched the movie?

No, I haven't seen the film. I don't go to see films in which I have no interest.

And I don't go see films I am interested in without first reading reviews by critics whom I respect and trust. (I've only gone to see one film in the last five years for which I first hadn't read one of their reviews, and that was "Star Wars: Episode 3". Yes, I even read reviews of "Serenity" before I went to see it.)

Why do I read reviews even before going to see a film I'm interested in? Because I'm offended by blatant sexuality, inordinant foul language and/or certain subject matters. As my income is limited and hard earned, I chose not to waste it on things which will offend me, or in support of causes to which I do not ascribe.

There have been a multitude of movies I "wanted" to see in the past years which I passed on after reading a review. BTW, I don't read reviews which just say "Fantastic!" or "Hated it!" I read reviews which provide me with the detailed info I need in order to make a well-informed decision.

Have I always agreed with the critics whose reviews I check? No. Is the information they provide me always accurate? Yes.

Firstly, I had (and still have) no desire to see this film. Secondly, the reviews for it (on which I depend) clearly show that it contains one or more of the criteria which are clearly red flags for me, and therefore cause to me pass on it even if I had been interested in seeing it.

Quote:
Originally posted by nevered:
Serenity ... (snip) but compare it with what else is out there, and the acting isn't really top notch and the directing falls short of most great dramas.

Well, I sort of agree, and sort of (respectfully) disagree with you, here. And I am not speaking as a Browncoat, but as someone who has seen several hundred films in threatres and probably ten thousand more on TV.

"Serenity" doesn't rate in my top 10. It does rate in my top 20, not because it's "great art", but because (if for no other reason) it's the only film in my life which I watched 5 times in 3 days -- and I felt if a film could addict me to it that much, it has to find a place in my list somewhere.

Regarding the acting, I do think Summer Glau's performance was outstanding. I won't go into details, as I've already done that here elsewhere, but she covered such a wide range of emotions so well -- and for someone so young, with relatively little or no major acting experience behind her -- for her to be ignored is criminal in my opinion.

Should "Serenity" have been nominated for "Best Picture"? Heck no. "Most enjoyable", perhaps. "Most addicting", definitely. Should Summer's performance have gotten a nod? In my opinion -- not just a nod, but a win.

Have I seen every film made this year, so I can compare it to them? No. Obviously not. (Thank God.) I can only base it on what I have seen, and compared to every acting performance I've ever seen, it may not be the very best. But it certainly warrants more notice and respect than it's been given.

Perhaps if Summer kissed a girl in "Serenity", she'd have been nominated. Alas, "Serenity" wasn't pushing enough of a political agenda to get Hollywood's attention.

"These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me."

THECOLLECTOR

Friday, January 20, 2006 12:42 AM (P)

In other news... the OFCA cast their winners...

Best Picture
A History of Violence

Best Director
David Cronenberg, A History of Violence

Best Actor
Philip Seymour Hoffman, Capote

Best Actress
Reese Witherspoon, Walk the Line

Best Supporting Actor
Mickey Rourke, Sin City

Best Supporting Actress
Maria Bello, A History of Violence

Best Original Screenplay
George Clooney and Grant Heslov, Good Night, and Good Luck.

Best Adapted Screenplay
Larry McMurtry & Diana Ossana, Brokeback Mountain

Best Cinematography
Robert Rodriguez, Sin City

Best Editing
Robert Rodriguez, Sin City

Best Score
Gustavo Santaolalla, Brokeback Mountain

Best Documentary
Grizzly Man

Best Foreign Language Film
Downfall

Best Animated Feature
Wallace & Gromit in The Curse of the Were-Rabbit

Breakthrough Filmmaker
Paul Haggis, Crash

Breakthrough Performer
Owen Kline, The Squid and the Whale

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, January 20, 2006 1:03 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by maugwai:
I'm curious. How many people who keep going on about how aweful Hollywood is have actually lived here or been involved in the industry? It's really easy to talk crap about a place in which you've never actually spent any time, especially if you've never been in the industry and have no idea how films really operate.

I’ve never been to Hollywood, and I know nothing about the industry. But then I’m not talking about either of those things. I’m not even talking about the movies. I’m talking about a subculture driven by fabulously wealthy and famous people who are completely divorced from reality. And anyone who thinks that all these gay films appeared out of nowhere and all ended up winning awards by coincidence is probably also a little shy in the reality department.

But that's just me. What do I know.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

THECOLLECTOR

Friday, January 20, 2006 6:31 AM (P)

So... why didn't De-Lovely get all the praise these movies got... hell why didn't Alexander get all the praise it's supposed to get... I mean... come on they both have Gay references to them...

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, January 20, 2006 12:19 PM (P)

I don't know anything about De-Lovely, but Alexander stunk. However, this just proves my point. Alexander came out in 2004 and so did De-Lovely. These movies would seem to all a part of the exact same phenomenon.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

CAUSAL

Friday, January 20, 2006 1:15 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kent:
The gay agenda!
The widespread homosexual conspiracy!
The enormous pressure from society to make you fornicate with people of your own gender!
Hollywood constantly forcing you to watch movies with gay people in them!

It's madness! Madness!

Give me a break. It's a great movie, and getting the attention and credit it deserves... deal with it.

Actually, I believe that the point isn't so much that this will make people become gay; rather, the idea seems to be to normalize homosexuality in a culture that has historically been hostile to it.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Friday, January 20, 2006 3:59 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I don't know anything about De-Lovely, but Alexander stunk. However, this just proves my point. Alexander came out in 2004 and so did De-Lovely. These movies would seem to all a part of the exact same phenomenon.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

Yeah, Alexander was quite possibly one of the worst movies I've ever seen. The sad part is, I really wanted it to be good. I love the story of Alexander the Great. But the movie - ewwgh.

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

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THECOLLECTOR

Friday, January 20, 2006 6:43 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I don't know anything about De-Lovely, but Alexander stunk. However, this just proves my point. Alexander came out in 2004 and so did De-Lovely. These movies would seem to all a part of the exact same phenomenon.

Okay here's one... go watch "The Lion in Winter" with Kathrine Hepburn...

CARTOON

Friday, January 20, 2006 6:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by TheCollector:
Okay here's one... go watch "The Lion in Winter" with Kathrine Hepburn...

I've seen "The Lion In Winter", and the bit I believe you're referring to was just a passing reference, hardly a full-blown, in your face endorsement like in many of today's films. Granted, that was then, and this is now, and things have changed a whole lot since then.

BTW, that passing reference is based on an essentially unproven historical assumption about Richard I. I've read things which show things were one way, while other things show they were the other way. Of course, given that homosexuals weren't applauded for their behavior in the 12th century as they are today, there would be little written evidence if Richard actually were, so it's practically impossible to prove, one way or the other.

As a side note, that film features one of my favorite exchanges of character dialogue in any movie, ever. The "Let's strike a flint and find out" line, and the bits which immediately preceeded it.

"These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me."

PINBALLWIZARD

Friday, January 20, 2006 7:28 PM (P)

It's just the nature of Hollywood (and many american buisnesses in general) to find some new idea that captivates, intrigues, or outrages the population, then suck it's potential dry. Then they move on to the next new idea. This has been going on for more than 200 years, since the pre-dawn of the Industrial Age, and there's no way it's going to stop now. Buisness and art is frequently a bad combination.

NEVERED

Friday, January 20, 2006 9:49 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:
Quote:
Originally posted by nevered:
Cartoon and Windwalker: have you even watched the movie?

No, I haven't seen the film. I don't go to see films in which I have no interest.

In other words, you're complaining that a movie you've never seen doesn't deserve an award?

who the hell are you to judge?

you haven't even seen it!

CARTOON

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:18 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by nevered:
In other words, you're complaining that a movie you've never seen doesn't deserve an award?

who the hell are you to judge?

you haven't even seen it!

And, apparently YOU didn't bother to read my entire post. Or you'd have seen the sufficiently detailed reason about why I didn't go and waste my money on something, based upon specific, minutely-detailed reviews from sites I respect and trust.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Yeah, Alexander was quite possibly one of the worst movies I've ever seen. The sad part is, I really wanted it to be good. I love the story of Alexander the Great. But the movie - ewwgh.

Yeah I waited a long time for the movie too. Now there is just the DiCaprio movie about Alexander, which might never be finished, but I hate Colin Farrell, because he made me look forward to a DiCaprio movie. Damn him.

Quote:
Originally posted by TheCollector:
Okay here's one... go watch "The Lion in Winter" with Kathrine Hepburn...

So what? Looking for some isolated incident is just skirting the issue. All this means is that all those people that claim the gay issue was faux pas before this recent Liberal trend are probably wrong. The issue has and does creep up in movies when it is warranted, but it doesn’t just naturally creep up in 5 major movies within 2 years of each other, four of them winning or being nominated for major awards. The only one that wasn’t nominated or awarded was so awful that it was painful to watch. I’m sorry, but there’s no way to spin this. This whole gay trend with Hollywood is totally forced. It’s just their little fad, so that they can sit around in coffee shops and pat each other on the back for being so damn Liberal.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

STORYMARK

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:

It's about how Hollywood goes all googoo-eyed over radical crap and bows down to itself as the purveyor of progression, when all it's doing is alienating a huge chunk of it's audience by it's self-aggrandizing behavior of material so far to the left, that a majority of Americans wouldn't wipe their posteriors with it.

So, no one wants to see it. Yet, it's a few days away from outgrossing Serenity, much of which was accumulated before it's wide release. You can't put butts in the seats if they don't want to go, no matter how hard you push (as evidenced by Serenity).

Not that I've seen the movie, and as such, I will not comment on it's artistic merit. But I am eager to see it, as while I generally can't stand Jake Gyllenhal(sp), I consider Ang Lee to be a very talented director, and at least gets the benefit of a doubt.

Of course, I'll have to wait for DVD, since our local theatre owner doesn't think we should make the choice to see the movie ourselves.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:38 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Yeah, Alexander was quite possibly one of the worst movies I've ever seen. The sad part is, I really wanted it to be good. I love the story of Alexander the Great. But the movie - ewwgh.
Yeah I waited a long time for the movie too. Now there is just the DiCaprio movie about Alexander, which might never be finished, but I hate Colin Farrell, because he made me look forward to a DiCaprio movie. Damn him.
Quote:
Originally posted by TheCollector:
Okay here's one... go watch "The Lion in Winter" with Kathrine Hepburn...
So what? Looking for some isolated incident is just skirting the issue. All this means is that all those people that claim the gay issue was faux pas before this recent Liberal trend are probably wrong. The issue has and does creep up in movies when it is warranted, but it doesn’t just naturally creep up in 5 major movies within 2 years of each other, four of them winning or being nominated for major awards. The only one that wasn’t nominated or awarded was so awful that it was painful to watch. I’m sorry, but there’s no way to spin this. This whole gay trend with Hollywood is totally forced. It’s just their little fad, so that they can sit around in coffee shops and pat each other on the back for being so damn Liberal.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

Sorry to tell you, but the DiCaprio/Luhrman Alexander movie (which never started shooting)died before the Farrell/Stone one even finished shooting.

As for 5 gay movies in 2 years, perhaps it's just a matter of our society becoming more accepting to homosexuals. And maybe Hollywood is pushing it a bit further than that level of acceptance, but that isn't really that uncommon.

Just like prominent Black characters were beginning to show up in films as the civil rights movement was gearing up. Or maybe that was to liberal at the time, too.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

WINDWALKER

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:43 PM (P)

You see
It's been around for years.
The porn shows have been showing manmanerotica for years.
Now Hollywood wants it main stream to make more money off the curious and the large source of money out there.
They are finding an untapped market to make more millions.
It's not art it's money grubbing hack and more millions for the corrupt.

and you and I pay for it ..or not.

That's why great movies like Serenity fall away into obscurity.
It isn't about poor gay guys It's about how much can we exploit from something new and taboo.
I personally came from a different childhood were the heroes were clean cut and honorable and loved women and their horses.
Serenity was heaven sent for me.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

WINDWALKER

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:43 PM (P)

You see
It's been around for years.
The porn shows have been showing manmanerotica for years.
Now Hollywood wants it main stream to make more money off the curious and the large source of money out there.
They are finding an untapped market to make more millions.
It's not art it's money grubbing hack and more millions for the corrupt.

and you and I pay for it ..or not.

That's why great movies like Serenity fall away into obscurity.
It isn't about poor gay guys It's about how much can we exploit from something new and taboo.
I personally came from a different childhood were the heroes were clean cut and honorable and loved women and their horses.
Serenity was heaven sent for me.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:49 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Sorry to tell you, but the DiCaprio/Luhrman Alexander movie (which never started shooting)died before the Farrell/Stone one even finished shooting.

Damnit. It probably would have turned out as crappy as the first.

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
As for 5 gay movies in 2 years, perhaps it's just a matter of our society becoming more accepting to homosexuals. And maybe Hollywood is pushing it a bit further than that level of acceptance, but that isn't really that uncommon.

Just like prominent Black characters were beginning to show up in films as the civil rights movement was gearing up. Or maybe that was to liberal at the time, too.

Well, that’s the way it will be dressed up in any event. And that’s basically what I’m talking about. After all one can’t really pat oneself on the back for one’s own supposed loving tolerance unless one first can convince oneself that everyone else is a bigot.

Oh, he's so full of manure, that man! We could lay him in the dirt and grow another one just like him.
-- Ruby

CARTOON

Friday, January 20, 2006 11:07 PM (P)

Storymark, Hi. I never said that "no one" wanted to go see it. I said that they are alienating a large demographic of their potential audience with the subject matter. I mean, let's say there are 1,000,000 people in a given area (just for illustrative purposes), and you make a film which is going to offend 200,000 of them (again, just making up a number for illustrative purposes), you've already lowered your potential audience by 20%. That's just not good capitalism.
If the idea is to make money, you want EVERYONE to come see it, and not start off by handicapping yourself. Right?

Quote:
Originally posted by Windwalker:
I personally came from a different childhood were the heroes were clean cut and honorable and loved women and their horses.

Men lovin' their horses? Ewww.... that's just sick!!

Okay, I know what you mean.

But, you have to admit, you set yourself up with that line. LOL

Yes, I fully concur. "Serenity" was a breath of fresh air. Can't say enough about how much I enjoyed that film.

"Time for some thrillin' heroics."

WINDWALKER

Friday, January 20, 2006 11:33 PM (P)

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

CARTOON

Friday, January 20, 2006 11:43 PM (P)

If you remember "The Lone Ranger" first run, you're a little bit older than I am, but I too remember those days. We've lost a lot of what was decent in entertainment -- or, at the very least, a lot of what was more decent.

"We gotta go to a crappy town we're I'M a hero."

STORYMARK

Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:02 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:
Storymark, Hi. I never said that "no one" wanted to go see it. I said that they are alienating a large demographic of their potential audience with the subject matter. I mean, let's say there are 1,000,000 people in a given area (just for illustrative purposes), and you make a film which is going to offend 200,000 of them (again, just making up a number for illustrative purposes), you've already lowered your potential audience by 20%. That's just not good capitalism.
If the idea is to make money, you want EVERYONE to come see it, and not start off by handicapping yourself. Right?

Okay, while I see your point, I have to disagree. While the film industry is a business, most filmmakers do consider themselves artists, especially one like Lee, who goes out of his way to make an entirely different film each time out (from Jane Austen, to the Civil War, to 70's swingers, to kung-fu to a big green superhero). And he made this one outside of the bottom-line driven Hollywood system. And art, rarely if ever, is designed to appeal to everyone.

Those things that are made just to get the ticket money of as many people as possible are by definition, appealing to the lowest common denominator. And striving for that low is what has led us to so much crap in the world of film (and TV).

Brokeback may not be your thing, and may not appeal to the majority of Americans, but that does not nessesarily mean it is without merit or undeserving of awards.

All this debate is really the reason I want to see it. I'm generally not interested in love stories, much less one between two gay cowboys (not even a fan of westerns, really). However, there is so much debate going on, and so many attacks against the film by people who have not seen it (I don't mean you, or others on this board in particular, but in general), that I want to form my own opinion of it, good or bad.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CARTOON

Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by cartoon:
If you remember "The Lone Ranger" first run, you're a little bit older than I am, but I too remember those days.

Oh, it's been a long, long day.

Sorry for this. I do endeavor to be accurate with my posts. I was reading this thread again and realized that isn't the Lone Ranger, it's Roy Rogers. Darn.

Either

a) people were being "nice" in not calling me on the obvious error, or

b) people are also ignorant (or blind, like me) and didn't initially recognize the person in the pic, or

c) no one bothered to read the post in which I mentioned "The Lone Ranger".

My guess is "C". I'm starting to post invisible posts like Queen. Oh, this is a bad day, indeed.

"You asked me what a man like me would kill for. And she's it."

NEVERED

Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:56 AM (P)

tell me how many gay romances there have been in the last two years.

now tell me how many straight ones there were in movies during that same time.

the fact that you have somehow managed to convince yourself that one is more radical or offensive has biased you towards the actual numbers.

there are great straight romances that have won all sorts of awards.

now a gay one is.

why am i not suprised at which you choose to get all worked up about?

VIOLETRIX

Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:11 AM (P)

i'd have to agree with this, at least in terms of the "hollywood is a big joke" theme. it's all garbage. every once in awhile, something good wins by accident, or because it makes a lot of money. hollywood is a huge incestuous cesspool of mediocrity. obviously, there are talented people in the industry, it would be stupid to say otherwise, but mostly it's about who you know, how much money you have, and how willing you are to abandon all principles you have.
i have not seen "brokeback", but i read the short story and i liked that. i just can't imagine heath ledger being good enough in anything to warrant this kind of buzz. the good part is, if you don't like this particular agenda, just wait for five minutes. they'll have a new one.

i appreciate you speakin' up though. it's nice.

http://violetrix.blogspot.com
come a time there'll be no room for naughty men like us to slip about at all

WINDWALKER

Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:51 AM (P)

Ever see a movie called |Rustlers Rhapsody|?
Ifyou haven't go rent it. You will definitely relate to it and get some laughs too.

.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

THECOLLECTOR

Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:38 AM (P)

I'm sick and tired of this shit... Oooh 5 movies were made with ghey references were made in the past 2 years... It's not like movies and TV shows and plays haven't been doing it for years before hand...

4 of which of the addressed movies that came out in the past 2 years are Independent. If I were you I'd be f*cking applauding the Academy for nominating and awarding the amount of Independent films that are being made. Something that didn't exist 3 years ago... even.

Yes... this year lots of movies will be snubbed... in fact it's the largest dose in awhile
Like... Serenity and Sin City...

Finally... why didn't the orginal poster complain about the scene with Inara... what because it was "Hawt".