Batman Shooting

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
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ANTHONYT

Friday, July 20, 2012 2:34 PM (P)

Hello,

I just learned that there was a shooting in Colorado during a late night screening of Batman last night. A gunman with a rifle, two pistols, and a tear gas canister made the cinema into a confused charnel house.

My deepest sympathies to those who endured this terrible aggression.

--Anthony

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, July 20, 2012 2:40 PM (P)

Wow.... What is the point of this action????

He hated the Superman reboot and was jealous?

Not to be a dick to be a dick here... just trying to wrap my mind around any motivation of this attack.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

KWICKO

Friday, July 20, 2012 2:58 PM (P)

News said one of the injured is a 3-month-old baby.

Who the hell takes a 3-month-old baby to a midnight movie premier? Or to ANY movie?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, July 20, 2012 3:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
News said one of the injured is a 3-month-old baby.

Who the hell takes a 3-month-old baby to a midnight movie premier? Or to ANY movie?

Wow... I'm so out of the loop when I don't work a job where I can surf the internet and I don't have cable or even an antenna!!! I'm sure it was in my local paper, but I'm like 1 1/2 weeks behind on reading that since I got 2 game informers from my bro as "crapper" reading.

That simply is just horrible news.

Not to make light of the situation Kwick, but I have a similar story of a baby at a movie. It was a "daylight" viewing of "Minority Report", several years ago with my Dad who taught me to love Sci-Fi movies.

Toward the end of the movie, you know, where there were about 5 different places it could have included, a baby started crying about 10 rows down from us. It even sounded at times that whoever was holding the baby was trying to "muffle" the sound, rather than leave the theater. My old man had already seen the movie and isn't big on confrontation. (I got that from my Mom). After about 10 minutes of not being able to hear the movie and NO-SINGLE-OTHER-PERSON in the theater speaking up I finally stood up and yelled out "will somebody shut that fucking baby up!", to which there was universal applause.

The two of them left in a hurry after that and we got to watch the rest of the movie.

My Dad said "what are you doing, trying to start a race war?".... LOL

He hasn't asked me to go to a movie with him since then. Kinda sad, on more than one level....

It wasn't until my second viewing of the movie that I filled in all the gaps of what I missed.

I'd still like to know the hell the motivation was here, especially now that I know a baby was harmed. If I was a thug I would have physically threatened the parents to make the same point I made, but I'd never think of harming an innocent baby.

What kind of monster would do that?

EDITED TO ADD:

The type of people who would take their 3 month old baby to a movie I do feel a lot of pity for. Who can afford a babysitter these days? Shit... even if they only bought the tickets, the seats for the two of them equal more than I make in 1/2 a night's work. If they bought any popcorn and candy and drinks, might as well call it a full night's work. Add a babysitter to the mix when family can't watch the baby and it's closer to two nights' worth of nearly minimum wage payments.

I truly feel sorry for them.

True, their baby didn't belong there, but SHOT?????

WTF is wrong with this world?????

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

KWICKO

Friday, July 20, 2012 3:44 PM (P)

Live streaming news feed from MSNBC:

http://blog.livenewschat.tv/rockinroosters/

There are other news feeds available on that site, too.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

AURAPTOR

Friday, July 20, 2012 4:58 PM (P)

Quote:

News said one of the injured is a 3-month-old baby.

Who the hell takes a 3-month-old baby to a midnight movie premier? Or to ANY movie?

Idiots, that's who.

Reminds me of some " mom " who took her little kid in with her to watch South Park.

Per this attack, & speaking of idiots, ABC news already tried to connect this guy to the TEA party. Classic far Left MSM, getting it wrong, again. Their claim has been retracted.

WISHIMAY

Friday, July 20, 2012 5:17 PM (P)

Yanno, if you put the gun arguments aside(because they've been done to death and it gets us nowhere) if you look at the bigger picture here....It's young males that are the problem. Having a conversation last night about how many young guys can't get it together, have addictions that run their lives, and can't manage the simplest of relationships...

Maybe mandatory service of some kind whether it be community or military wouldn't be the worst idea... and give 'em a mental health assessment while you're at it...

PIRATENEWS

Friday, July 20, 2012 5:32 PM (P)

If only 1 movie patron had carried a gun, 50 shootings would have been prevented.

US Govt MKULTRA Mind Kontrol at Denver Colorado Airport (Dark Knight shooter wore gas mask, carried sword and rifle):

Dark Knight shooter was in doctorate MKULTRA neuroscience program at University of Colorado...

Nobody saw a face since the shooter wore a mask...

Alex Jones predicted violence at Dark Knight premier:

UN Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty will ban all guns in USA in July 2012
http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/

Obama gave 20,000 guns to the Mexican mafiya used to genocide 50,000 cops, judges, politicians and journalists in 2012
https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+fast+and+furious+mexico

In The Dark Knight Strikes Again graphic novel DK2 on 10 Sept 2001, the Joker (Robin) worked for president Lex Luthor (Dick Cheney), while Luthor/Cheney attacked USA with false flag terror bombings by robot UAV drones. Batman assassinated the president by ramming his UAV Batjet into a skyscraper, as seen on History Channel. Batman called himself a "terrorist" and used THERMITE to kill Robin/Joker. Batman the Dark Knight founded 9/11 Truth. My USAF job was nuking US military bases and US military jets in controlled demolitions using dozens of nuclear bombs.
http://www.archive.org/details/911TruthInBatmanTheDarkKnight
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/12/dark-knight-dvd-holy-batshit
-911-truth.html

"The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation."
-Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

KWICKO

Friday, July 20, 2012 5:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Per this attack, & speaking of idiots, ABC news already tried to connect this guy to the TEA party. Classic far Left MSM, getting it wrong, again. Their claim has been retracted.

Speaking of idiots, Drudge and Breitbart.com's statement hasn't been retracted:

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BREITBART: Shooter maybe registered Democrat... http://drudge.tw/NGemxq

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE_REPORT/status/226328344273235969

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Friday, July 20, 2012 5:46 PM (P)

Quote:
If only 1 movie patron had carried a gun, 50 shootings would have been prevented.

Yeah, and if only one movie patron HADN'T carried all his guns, 50 shootings would never have happened.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, July 20, 2012 5:50 PM (P)

What. The actual. Fuck. Why?

Just on a personal level: I know a bunch of people who went to midnight screenings last night. Waking up and hearing that a Colorado theater got shot up scared the ever-living shit out of me.

And a baby? I mean, yeah, I think they should have just stayed home and stuff because crying babies in theaters are obnoxious and they're always going to cry, but that's pretty horrific for the parents.
It's strange, though, the last three movies I've gone to see have been full of inconsiderate people. I don't just mean the people who bring their babies or kids, either. I've had to ask three separate groups of adults if their conversation was really that important because they were murmuring to each other for half the damn movie. Seriously, dude, if you came here to chat, there's a nice lobby you can sit in. The theater is not your living room. I've kind of wished they'd go back to the idea of an usher in every theater.
Sorry, side tangent there. But maybe some large, burly ushers would solve both problems? I dunno, probably not. The sad reality seems to be that if someone really wants to empty a gun at a room full of people, there's very little that can be done to stop them. They might get taken down afterwards, but it would take a Superman-esque reaction time to stop someone before they empty a clip.

What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

PIRATENEWS

Friday, July 20, 2012 5:50 PM (P)

Kelly: Colorado Movie Theater Shooting Suspect Claimed To Be Batman Nemesis ‘The Joker’

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) – New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said the gunman suspected of attacking a crowded movie theater in Aurora, Colorado resembled Batman’s arch-villain “The Joker” at the time of the shocking attack.

“We have some information, most of it is public. It clearly looks like a deranged individual. He had his hair painted red, he said he was ‘The Joker,’ obviously the ‘enemy’ of Batman,” Kelly said at a news conference after noon.

Kelly said the NYPD is stepping up security at movie theaters around the city after suspect James Holmes walked into a Colorado movie theater during a midnight showing of the new Batman movie “The Dark Knight Rises” and opened fire, killing 12 people and injuring dozens more.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly called the shooting “horrendous” and said the NYPD is working to keep moviegoers safe.

“As a precaution against copycats and to raise the comfort levels among movie patrons in the wake of the horrendous shooting in Colorado, the New York City Police Department is providing coverage at theaters where the ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ is playing in the five boroughs,” Kelly said.

WCBS 880?s Sophia Hall: Nassau County Police Stepping Up Patrols At Movie Theaters

Ten people were killed inside the theater and two others died at the hospital after a gas mask-wearing gunman stood at the front of the theater and fired into the crowd about 12:30 a.m. local time at a theater in a mall in Aurora, Colo., police said.

A 3-month-old was among those hurt, CBS Denver reported. Police said earlier that 14 people had died, but later said that only 12 fatalities were confirmed.

The suspect, who police have identified as 24-year-old Holmes, is in custody. Federal officials told CBS News the suspect didn’t resist when he was arrested.

PHOTOS: Colorado Theater Massacre

Holmes spoke of “possible explosives in his residence,” Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said after Holmes’ arrest.

Police have confirmed that Holmes’ apartment is booby-trapped and have evacuated surrounding buildings.

Oates said bomb technicians are determining how to disarm flammable or explosive material in the third-floor apartment. He said police could be there some time.

He said pictures from inside the apartment are fairly disturbing and the devices look to be sophisticated.

One rifle, two handguns, a knife, a bullet proof vest, a ballistic helmet, a gas device, a gas mask, military swat clothing and unidentified explosives were also found in Holmes’ car, a law enforcement source told CBS News.

Holmes has no known criminal record and records show he previously lived in San Diego, CBS News reported.

He was a student at the University of Colorado School of Medicine in Denver until last month, said school spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery. She did not know when he started school or why he withdrew.

The attack appears to have been planned well in advance, a law enforcement source told CBS News.

Police said his car was parked in the rear of the theater and that the suspect entered and exited the theater through an emergency door. There is also evidence that he may have done surveillance of the theater before the shooting, the source said.

“Witnesses tell us he released some sort of canister. They heard a hissing sound and some gas emerged and the gunman opened fire,” Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said at a news conference.

MORE: Complete Coverage From CBSDenver.com

When the gas began to spread, some moviegoers thought it was a stunt that was part of the movie. Then they saw a silhouette of a person in the smoke near the screen, first pointing a gun at the crowd and shooting.

“There were bullet (casings) just falling on my head. They were burning my forehead,” Jennifer Seeger said, adding that the gunman, dressed like a SWAT team member, fired steadily except when he stopped to reload.

“Every few seconds it was just:

PIRATENEWS

Friday, July 20, 2012 5:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
If only 1 movie patron had carried a gun, 50 shootings would have been prevented.

Yeah, and if only one movie patron HADN'T carried all his guns, 50 shootings would never have happened.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

He was not a patron. He did not have a ticket.

Or do you think they sell tickets to guys wearing gas masks carrying swords and rifles?

ANTHONYT

Friday, July 20, 2012 6:03 PM (P)

Quote:
If only 1 movie patron had carried a gun, 50 shootings would have been prevented.

Hello,

I consider this to be a rather unintelligent suggestion- one that assumes each human being is a Rambo waiting to spring into action.

The attack was well-planned in a dark-theater and involved teargas. The panic, darkness, confusion, and debilitation may have served to render the average person insensible and useless even if they were armed.

It isn't reasonable for a person to be expected to take decisive action against unexpected aggression in such a chaotic encounter.

I believe in arms for defense, but I do not believe that me and my fellow humans are Jack Bauer or John Mcclane. Even trained officers of the law were hesitant to enter the situation in the theater due to a lack of gas masks. Gas masks that none of the victims had while they were being assaulted.

I believe it's much more likely that myself and my fellow humans, even if armed, would have panicked and flailed in useless confusion in the midst of this unexpected attack from a barely perceived source while choking on gas and peering through tears and stumbling on blood and bodies. I don't know what the percentage of natural born killers is in the population, but I do not presume it is as highly concentrated as 1 in 50. I certainly do not assume I am one of the magic human predators capable of responding while in the midst of such a mess.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

NIKI2

Friday, July 20, 2012 6:37 PM (P)

Oh, please, can we NOT get on the gun rant again? Just FYI, and not to make ANY point pro or con guns, as to someone with a gun being able to help, he was wearing a bullet-proof vest, and the place was full of tear gas. That's all I'll say on that matter.

Trying to connect him to anything political--at least until we know more--is totally assinine. So snarking about "left-wing media" trying to connect him to the Tea Party is the equivalent of Breitbart trying to say he's a Democrat; both are idiotic.

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It turns out that Holmes, who has roots in San Diego, was student at the University of Colorado School of Medicine in Aurora. He was in the process of withdrawing at the time of the shooting, university officials said. He was a doctoral student in the neuroscience program.

A college syllabus that lists Holmes as a student shows that he may have taken a class in which he studied topics as diverse as substance abuse, schizophrenia, depression and other disorders.

Holmes had enrolled at the university in June 2011.

Police also revealed that Holmes lived in a small apartment on Paris Street in Aurora, in Apartment 10.

Large chunks of Holmes' past prior to medical school remain unknown.

The Poway Unified School District in San Diego confirmed that James Holmes graduated from Westview High School in 2006.

But his friends, his interests and his personality remained a mystery. http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-suspect-profile/inde
x.html?hpt=hp_t1

So everybody's going to be going off half-cocked, just as happened here, to blame something or someone. The comments in this article started right out "Mark my words.. he played first person shooter games, socially isolated". So why don't we take the high road, discuss what HAPPENED and not try to put the blame anywhere but on the man himself, at LEAST until we know something more substantial, eh? Or not.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, July 20, 2012 6:57 PM (P)

I just read a little deeper into the story than the headline. It was in Aurora, Colorado. My daughter is there. We haven't heard from her, but that's not unusual, and she isn't the type to go to a midnight screening of a Batman movie.

ETA- 12:10 PM California time. Mrs. BrownCoat called her. She answered the phone, " Hi, Mom. Yeah, I'm alive."

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, July 20, 2012 7:11 PM (P)

re PN's post:
How does a Police Commissioner in New York City KNOW ANYTHING factual about something that happened last night/ early this morning, in Aurora, Colorado?
He wouldn't like it if Colorado papers started printing something about a crime in NYC, he'd be holding press conferences declaring that it's way too soon to have all the facts collected.

For that matter, how do Breibart, or the MSM or the NRA or anybody else KNOW ANYTHING FACTUAL AT ALL yet?

NIKI2

Friday, July 20, 2012 7:31 PM (P)

Uhhh, you do realize you're questioning PN's post, don't you? I don't even bother reading, I just get a sore scrolling finger getting past his idiocy.

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New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an outspoken advocate of stricter gun-control laws, said in a radio interview Friday the two candidates for president needed to take a firmer line in addressing gun violence.

Bloomberg's comments came as police and the FBI were investigating a deadly shooting in Colorado that left at least 12 people dead. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Oh, I get it...Obama and the dems sent that guy in so they could start going after your guns! Isn't that what Fsst & Furious was supposed to do? MUST be a democratic conspiracy!

My heart goes out to the actual people involved; I think Bloomberg is out of his mind if he thinks ANY efforts at gun control could conceivably be possible in this country. It's almost funny to even imagine it.

As to how the media knows anything, you can be sure five minutes after it happened, media all over the country was digging around to find out what they could, hopefully sooner than any OTHER media. The stuff I put up would have been easily ascertained...we'll see what else they come up with, and if the initial reporting is accurate or not (given THAT's happened in the recent past, too). Right now they're just madly scrounging around to find out ANYTHING they can that others haven't already reported.

Glad your girl is fine, NewOld. I stopped going to movies years ago, because of the hassle and the price. I wait for stuff to come around on Netflix. The only actual movies I've gone to see in years were the Lord of the Rings trilogy (HAD to see it on the big screen, given how big it's been to me) and 2012--in all cases, it was worth it. But there has to be something that looks REAL promising to get me to the theater--Batman sure ain't it, tho' I AM sorry I missed Avatar on the big screen.

CHRISISALL

Friday, July 20, 2012 9:03 PM (P)

One thing I WILL say, look at his picture- dyed in the wool nutcase. Probably with self-prescribed pharma escalation. Eyes glassy & unfocused.
Oh, and NO ONE at all feels his vibe? Thinks it's funny he's buying guns? Explosive material?

Theatre-wise, ONE FUCKING USHER checking doors could have prevented/limited this. Oh, no ushers anymore. Well, the theatre corporation saved themselves a lot of money.

Smaller version of 9-11 here. No or shit security for BUDGETARY reasons. Save a buck; lose some lives.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

REDREAD

Friday, July 20, 2012 10:12 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:
He was not a patron. He did not have a ticket.

Or do you think they sell tickets to guys wearing gas masks carrying swords and rifles?

Blah, blah, I know it's not much use responding to PN, but this is actually the most intelligible comment I've ever seen from him, so it's worth a try.

He did have a ticket, and he didn't get his weapons until after, according to reports I've read:

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Officials said the suspect purchased a ticket for the show and once inside the theater propped open an emergency exit door, which he later entered after retrieving four weapons and a tear gas canister.

source: http://www.coloradoan.com/viewart/20120720/NEWS01/120720001/-almost-se
emed-like-fun-him-12-dead-59-injured-Aurora-Colorado-theater-shooting

ANTHONYT

Friday, July 20, 2012 10:44 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
One thing I WILL say, look at his picture- dyed in the wool nutcase. Probably with self-prescribed pharma escalation. Eyes glassy & unfocused.
Oh, and NO ONE at all feels his vibe? Thinks it's funny he's buying guns? Explosive material?

Theatre-wise, ONE FUCKING USHER checking doors could have prevented/limited this. Oh, no ushers anymore. Well, the theatre corporation saved themselves a lot of money.

Smaller version of 9-11 here. No or shit security for BUDGETARY reasons. Save a buck; lose some lives.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

Hello,

I don't think more security is the answer to this question. I'm not sure I want enough security to protect me from madmen who plan killing sprees. I don't even like taking off my shoes at the airport.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, July 20, 2012 10:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
If only 1 movie patron had carried a gun, 50 shootings would have been prevented.

Yeah, and if only one movie patron HADN'T carried all his guns, 50 shootings would never have happened.

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You'd need a gun and night vision glasses in a cinema to have prevented this.

If only people walked around like fully armed and equipped military personnel this would never have happened.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, July 20, 2012 11:03 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

Hello,

I don't think more security is the answer to this question. I'm not sure I want enough security to protect me from madmen who plan killing sprees. I don't even like taking off my shoes at the airport.

--Anthony

I was having this kind of conversation with my husband last night about the norwegian killings where he was lamenting the lack of useful police response. And my argument was...it's just not something you can ever plan for, someone going on a killing rampage of innocents going about their everyday lives.

Same at Port Arthur, a massacre that happened 15 years ago here. That's an isolated place, people would not have locked their doors, and the most the police would normally have to do is follow up a bit of vandalism or drunk and disorderly.

I do not wish to live in a world where you have armed guards everywhere, or you have to arm yourself to walk down the street. There is something very wrong with that world.

KWICKO

Friday, July 20, 2012 11:12 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:

He was not a patron. He did not have a ticket.

And of course you have evidence for such a claim...

Right?

:crickets:

Quote:

Or do you think they sell tickets to guys wearing gas masks carrying swords and rifles?

By most accounts, he was in the theater, got a phone call, went out the exit at the rear of the theater, then came back in, suited up and armed.

Seems he was indeed a patron, and had a ticket.

Oh, and he says he's The Joker.

But I'm sure you have solid evidence that he's the Jewish Nazi Queen of England...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Friday, July 20, 2012 11:15 PM (P)

And yeah, what Anthony and Magons said.

MAL4PREZ

Friday, July 20, 2012 11:25 PM (P)

I cry bullshit to the NRA and the Wulf-like Rambo-fantasy types. If everyone in the theater was armed this would have turned into complete chaos, hundreds of frightened, injured people blindly shooting at anything that moves in the dark and smoke. It would have blown up, spreading from theater to theater until no one knew why it started. Many many many more dead.

However, I have no fantasy that complete gun control could prevent this. I'm pretty strongly against the idea of no guns whatsoever in the general population. That's ridiculous, since no amount of gun laws will stop the Bad Guys from getting guns. The good and the neutral must be able to defend themselves. But how's about making it at least somewhat difficult to acquire guns that do nothing but kill lots of people fast? Automatics and such? It should not be so easy to buy these things. It's madness that it is.

Sadly, what I see following from this shooting are the extremes:

OMG! Everyone should have a gun, then this wouldn't happen!

OMG! If no one was allowed to have a gun, this wouldn't happen!

Both arguments are 100% stupid. People have the right to pursue gun ownership, but it should be at least as difficult as getting a license to drive a car.

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, July 20, 2012 11:35 PM (P)

Isn't Colorado one of those free and easy, Wild West states with really lax (or free and loose, if you prefer those terms) gun possession and carry laws, at least compared to New York, Mass., and California?

PIRATENEWS

Friday, July 20, 2012 11:38 PM (P)

Under 21 year old ADULTS are usually banned from carrying guns in public
unless they're in the military then they are ordered to
genocide women and children every day for Uncle Scam

Everyone in the Batman movie not carrying a loaded gun won their Darwin Award.

Some sheeple are just too stoopid to survive reality.

The Batman fanboys said they "thought" it was part of the movie, so they didn't run away or fight back.

The teenage fangirls got shot in the back because girls are not capable of fighting back without a gun.

Dial 911 and DIE, either by "lone" gunmen in CIA's MKULTRA Mind Kontrol torture project,
or get shot by police state death squad if you try to escape the Victim Disarmament Zone
(cops shot students escaping at nearby Columbine).

Sculpture at genocidal United Nations building in NY City Victim Disaramament Zone

United Nations THIS WEEK is negotiating a treaty with Obama to ban all guns in USA.

Obama illegally ordered US soldiers to practice killing US citizens and steal their guns.

Governments murdered 300-million of their OWN citizens in the past 100 years.

The US Govt has murdered over 100-million of its OWN citizens since 1973, just counting aborticide.

Anybody with a brain would already be at Wallymart buying a loaded gun by now, if they didn't already have 1 or 10.

This shooter was clearly in the CIA's MKULTRA brainwash program at Colorado medical college.

This "lone" nut clearly had a controller who triggered his command to switch personalities and start shooting,
or who called the patsy outside while the military combat soldier walked back in wearing a gas mask disguise.

I carry a loaded gun almost everywhere I go, and these mass shootings don't scare me one bit.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:10 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
News said one of the injured is a 3-month-old baby.

Who the hell takes a 3-month-old baby to a midnight movie premier? Or to ANY movie?

My sis in law used to take her baby to the cinemas with her. it was one of thos kids that would sleep through anything. but seriously, batman is a loud, violent and disturbing movie. it just can't be a great idea.

When I saw the Dark Knight I was seriously pissed off that there were a couple of young children in the cinema. This is not a film for little kids, but some parents seem to have no boundaries with their small children.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:12 AM (P)

Don't publish the names of the killers. No photos. No history.

If someone does this for 15 minutes of fame, make sure they don't get it.

PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:43 AM (P)

Quote:
People have the right to pursue gun ownership, but it should be at least as difficult as getting a license to drive a car.

ANTHONYT

Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:48 AM (P)

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Automatics and such? It should not be so easy to buy these things. It's madness that it is.

Hello,

Acquiring automatic weapons legally is a somewhat involved process involving a large fee for registration and a thorough background check. It takes a bit of time, and none of that has anything to do with what happened in the theater as far as I know. (In any event, this critter probably *could* have gotten automatic weapons had he chosen to. Word so far is that he had no criminal history. Thus far, I've not heard about any red flags on this guy. Maybe that will come out later.)

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Isn't Colorado one of those free and easy, Wild West states with really lax (or free and loose, if you prefer those terms) gun possession and carry laws, at least compared to New York, Mass., and California?

As far as I know, it's a state that respects gun rights. I do not think armed patrons in the audience would have been able to make a suitable response to this well-planned and unexpected assault. On the other hand, I would be surprised if there were armed patrons in the audience. I live in Arizona, the epicentre of wild-west gun laws, and every theater I've ever been to here has a no-weapons policy.

I really don't think this is a story about guns. Nor security and preparedness. Nor about children in the wrong movie at the wrong hour. This is a story about a crazy man deciding to kill a bunch of people and making a good plan for it. It would be no less horrific if he'd thrown homemade explosives into the audience or run up and down the aisles with a chainsaw. This was pandemonium and carnage that nobody could hope to plan for or defend against. Sometimes, dangerous and crazy people happen. I'm glad we can at least study this one and better understand him- and hopefully- everyone else who might become like him.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

ANTHONYT

Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:52 AM (P)

Quote:
People have the right to pursue gun ownership, but it should be at least as difficult as getting a license to drive a car.

Hello,

From the description of this guy's abilities and competences, I'm fairly sure he could have passed any rigorous driver's licence examination. We know for certain he could pass a background check.

Everything I've read so far suggests that this fellow is smarter than I am. I never finished college, never mind the difficult subject matter.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

MAL4PREZ

Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:18 AM (P)

OK, I'm no gun expert and I don't want to be, so let's not get into one of those threads that seems to take over here whenever guns are mentioned (where we lovingly caress every detail of every firearm we own...) The info I'm going on is this, from updates on huffpost:

James Holmes' Guns Included AR15 Assault Rifle With Big Magazine

Some versions of the AR-15 assault rifle that police said was one of three guns James Holmes carried into the movie theater massacre were outlawed for civilian sale under the federal assault weapons ban that expired in 2004. Since then, all versions have been legal for sale and possession in the U.S.

The AR-15, widely distributed by more than two dozen manufacturers in a range of calibers, is a semi-automatic rifle that fires shots individually, with each pull of the trigger. Aftermarket parts available at sporting goods stores include magazines big enough to hold 90 bullets. AP reports Holmes' gun was equipped with a high-capacity, drum-style magazine.

Why the fuck does anyone need to buy a gun "equipped with a high-capacity, drum-style magazine", other than to kill lots of people fast?

And if someone does think they have a reason to buy such a thing, shouldn't they be going through one helluva complicated process? One that *might* figure out that this is a crazy guy who's been buying explosives and such? It's looking to me like the signs were there for this guy, same as they've been for most mass murderers.

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ANTHONYT

Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:32 AM (P)

Hello,

One of the guns I'd most like to own in the wide world is a Thompson Submachinegun. (Semiautomatic issue. I don't have money to rock and roll.)

Quote:
(where we lovingly caress every detail of every firearm we own...)

If you'll forgive me...

One of the guns I used to own was an SKS 1950's era Russian 'assault rifle' with an internal 10-round stripper-clip fed magazine. The particular model of which had features which might also cause it to be outlawed by the prior assault weapons ban. Such a ban being an excellent example of a poorly framed law.

If there is a 'complicated process' that would have protected the world from a capable, intelligent, law-abiding college graduate who was in a doctorate's program, I'd like to hear it. Then I can judge its validity. At the moment, all I'm hearing is kneejerk responses to a tragedy. It's understandable, but if we are going to advocate a change of policy or law, we should do so from an informed, logical place.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:54 AM (P)

Jew Frank Miller's Batman Dark Knight Returns in 1986 had a criminal who shot up a movie (porn) theater

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dark-knight-shooting-aurora-t
heater-eerie-echo-seminal-1986-comic-frank-miller-article-1.1118713

False Flag Alert in Aurora : Biggest Mass Shooting in the History of the USA is not a coincidence
same week United Nations and Dictator Hussein Obama are signing an illegal treaty to ban all guns in USA
and ordering US soldiers to kill US citizens in concentration camps.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread862786/pg1

U.S. Army Military Police School Civil Disturbance Operations Course Manual (leaked July 2012)
No warning shots will be fired. 'Temporary detention facilities' don't get mail / correspondence. Escapees will be shot.
http://publicintelligence.net/usamps-civil-disturbance-operations/
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?104583-Army-leaks-pla
ns-shoot-civilians-in-civil-unrest

Holy Batshlt 9/11 Truth!
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=35979

Here's the uncensored DVD Extras, revealing who the Joker really is (Robin):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1802095826640429181&hl=en

Did you know that Batman assassinated the president of the United States by intentionally ramming his robot Batjet into a skyscraper on 12 Sept 2001? Did you know that Batman assassinated the rest of the White House staff using THERMITE and explosive controlled demolitions? Did you know that the president of USA attacked NY City in robot false flag attacks, as reported by History Channel and NPR?
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=80
101975&blogID=427010107
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/12/dark-knight-dvd-holy-batshit
-911-truth.html

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, July 21, 2012 2:18 AM (P)

Hey,

Everyone saying that this tragedy would have been remedied by one or more folks with guns: you do realize that the shooter PLANNED for that contingency? Hence the smoke bombs and the flackjacket. Bam, simple-minded one-step knee-jerk "solution" twarted by the killer. So if any would-be rambos had been there, they'd probably be among the dead. If there ever was a case where "more guns won't solve the problem," this is it.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, July 21, 2012 2:23 AM (P)

Also this will undoubtably be used to install T.S.A gropers in movie theaters and probably shopping malls. Something big sis has wanted for a long time. Just to throw this out there, the acronym for “National Association of Theatre Owners” is.......N A T O.

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Hey,

Everyone saying that this tragedy would have been remedied by one or more folks with guns: you do realize that the shooter PLANNED for that contingency? Hence the smoke bombs and the flackjacket. Bam, simple-minded one-step knee-jerk "solution" twarted by the killer. So if any would-be rambos had been there, they'd probably be among the dead. If there ever was a case where "more guns won't solve the problem," this is it.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

The answer is gun control -- shoot for the head. Lone gunmen, cops, foreign troops, whatever it takes.

Quote:
"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots. Kill the sons of bitches. If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head. I was talking about a situation in which law enforced agents comes smashing into a house, doesn't say who they are, and their guns are out, they're shooting, and they're in the wrong place. This has happened time and time again. The ATF has gone in and gotten the wrong guy in the wrong place. The law is that if somebody is shooting at you, using deadly force, the mere fact that they are a law enforcement officer, if they are in the wrong, does not mean you are obliged to allow yourself to be killed so your kinfolk can have a wrongful death action. You are legally entitled to defend yourself and I was speaking of exactly those kind of situations. If you're going to do that, you should know that they're wearing body armor so you should use a head shot. Now all I'm doing is stating the law, but all the nuances in there got left out when the story got repeated."
-G Gordon Battle Liddy, attorney at law, FBI agent, US Army commander, Viacom radio host, Fox News anal ist, Hollywood actor, convicted felon Watergate burgler for CREEP in Tricky Dick Nixon White House, sentenced to 20 years in prison then commuted by President Zbignew Brezenski (a/k/a Barack Obama), er, Jimmy Carter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?"
-Dr Alexander Solzhenitsyn PhD, Nobel Prize winner

"How can I get the Captain to shoot a cop in the face, and make it right? That extra moment of sadism - that's the thing that says it's okay, buddy, you're not up to spec, you're going down!"
-Joss the Boss, Firefly DVD, censored Episode 1 "Serenity"

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, July 21, 2012 2:34 AM (P)

Someone who is in debt from college ($150,000) and has no job couldn't afford 2 glocks (about $550 each), an AR-15 with a 100-ROUND Gangsta drum mag and an eotech sight ($2000), a Remington Shotgun (about $700), body armor, tear gas, and a gas mask from his protest with Occupy Wall Street for Obama's Nazi jew George Soros. He's a brilliant Phi Beta Kappa student in a PhD college degree program for neuroscience run by DARPA (who invented the internet), BUT HE HAS NEVER BEEN ON THE INTERNET.

He got a phone call just prior to walking outside (could be it only appeared that way?.. but I think not). Then he came back, tossed the gas and started shooting at the same time the shooting started in the movie, this according to a witness. The timing was perfect. How did he know when the shooting would start?

US soldiers were shot and killed inside the movie theater.

Then walks outside and waits to be captured, 100 FBI agents show up (those nice folks who said the Italian Mafia never existed and shot MLK), and asks to speak to the NAVY. There is much more to this that we will never know. My guess he will be labeled schizophrenic (and maybe he is) because he heard voices tell him to do this.

If he was bent on killing as many as possible, why tell the police about the apartment? Don't know? Something is off.

And this was a white doctor shooting BLACK people in a black neighborhood......Obama's wet dream of a Race War to get re-selected.

Officials told NBC News that all four guns were purchased legally, beginning in May 2012
http://www.k99fm.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104
668&article=10285269

Colorado shooting suspect was brilliant science student, chancellor says
no trace of Holmes could be found on Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace, Twitter or anywhere on the Web
no criminal records, no parking tickets
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/colorado-shooting-suspect-was-bri
lliant-science-student-chancellor-2419809.html

Read more: http://www.k99fm.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104
668&article=10285269#ixzz21DpqlyX8

Obama massmurders a million people in a dozen wars, and kills millions of black babies in USA, then plays golf.

10 taxslaves get killed in a bad movie before they rob Social Security, Obama cancels his golf game....

Quote:
"To all my conspiracy oriented friends on the right who think I'm planning to unleash some secret agenda, you're absolutely right. What’s the difference between a hockey mom and pit bull? A pit bull is delicious. My step-father always told me it's a boy-eat-dog world out there. My father was born in Kenya and I of course was born in Hawaii (wink)."
-Communist Dictator Hussein Obama Soetoro, 2012 White House Presstitues Dinner

MAL4PREZ

Saturday, July 21, 2012 2:48 AM (P)

I am not interested in your gun porn, Anthony. The fact that you think that is an appropriate thing to get into at this point saddens me.

Recent headline:

James Holmes Bought 6,000 Rounds Of Ammo, Big Assault Rifle Magazine, From Internet

Might this kind of purchase raise warning flags for someone who sees guns as something besides a metallic phallus to make up for what the flesh lacks?

Pardon the confrontational air, Anthony. I like you. I do not like your gun porn.

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CHRISISALL

Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:31 AM (P)

People, PLEASE!! Target & Walmart have a more rigorous screening process for job applicants than the stuff you have to go through to purchase weapons. It really ISN'T hard to weed out the nuts, but it takes a trained PERSON, not a computer profile, to make the decision. Again, cut the COSTS, and sacrifice safety.
Give JOBS to PEOPLE, and leave computers to do inventory.
This self-destructive nut played the system like a cello.
The SYSTEM needs changin'.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:51 AM (P)

Can I reiterate what HK said? The shooter came prepared with a bullet-proof vest, leggings and helmet. Another shooter would have been useless. The only action that might have worked would have been to swarm the guy.

What we really need is funded, humane treatment for crazy, dangerous people. Something other than shuffling them in and out of jail (If they're homeless.) This guy's mom knew it was her son... she knew he was batshit crazy and dangerous. Why was he even allowed out on the streets, much less buying guns and thousands of rounds?

PIRATENEWS

Monday, July 23, 2012 8:10 PM (P)

Quote:
"We need to brainwash people to think about guns in a different way."
-US attorney general Eric Holder, CSPAN2, 1985, mastermind of Operation Fast and Furious that gave 20,000 guns to the Mexican mafia and murdered over 40,000 cops, prosecutors, judges, politcians and journalists

"Respondent filed this suit under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 alleging that petitioner violated the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause when its police officers, acting pursuant to official policy or custom, failed to respond to her repeated reports over several hours that her estranged husband had taken their three children in violation of her restraining order against him. Ultimately, the husband murdered the children. Respondent did not, for Due Process Clause purposes, have a property interest in police enforcement of the restraining order against her husband. Even if the statute could be said to make enforcement 'mandatory,' that would not necessarily mean that respondent has an entitlement to enforcement. "
-United States Supreme Court, Castle Rock v. Gonzales, No. 04-278, 2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=1
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-278.ZS.html

“The tragedy that played out in an Aurora movie theater Friday was ironically paralleled as a classroom learning experience in a medical school in Parker the same day. Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine is in the middle of holding specialized classes in disaster life support for 150 second-year medical students. Along with response to natural disasters like hurricanes and floods and terrorist attacks, one of the scenarios being used to train the students is how to respond if a shooter fires at people in a movie theater and also uses a bomb in the attack. 'The irony is amazing, just amazing,' said Rocky Vista Dean Dr. Bruce Dubin. The shootings in Aurora were incorporated into the teaching Friday, Dubin said."
-Nancy Lofholm, Denver Post, Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school, 07/21/2012
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126462/real-life-shooting-imitates
-training-exercise-at-parker

Hmmmm.....running idenitcal "terror drills" at the same location, just like 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings in London.....

In The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Batman assassinated the president of the United States, by ramming his Batjet into a skyscraper, to stop the president from attacking USA in a nuclear false-flag terror attack using robot drones. Batman also killed the terrorist Joker (Robin), a mind-kontroled slave of the president, using Thermite. DK2 was published on 10 September 2001....
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/12/dark-knight-dvd-holy-batshit
-911-truth.html

Then Heath Ledger was sacrificed during hype of the next billion-dollar Batman movie. Ledger last film was The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus, while wearing a hangman's noose around his neck (Freemasonic cable tow) with the Illuminati symbols drawn on his forehead (first Greek symbol PHI is the same as the Phi Beta Kappa secret society of the alleged shooter at the Dark Knight movie massacre). Ledger's final film included Satanic sex rituals similar to Stanley Kubrick's last film, Eyes Wide Shut, about secret societies of the elite serial killers. Heath was said to be a "method actor", someone who totally immersed himself in the role. Enough that it would creep others out. "Method acting" is a form of self-induced Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder as manufactured by CIA doctors in MKULTRA, and part of the script in The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus, with Ledger's alters played by Johnny Depp, Colin Farrell and Jude Law). Heath had no trouble "losing himself" to fill roles (masterfully). Ledger was probably conditioned, and was certainly manipulated. His real-l

NIKI2

Monday, July 23, 2012 8:10 PM (P)

Mal, are you sure that wasn't aimed at PN? I don't see any "porn" from Anthony, just his usual cemented pro-gun stance (sorry Anthony, but I do feel you're mind is closed). I didn't read PN's posts, but if anyone here is into "gun porn", I would imagine it would be PN.

I'm sorry, but I don't see any argument against some limitation on gun ownership when it comes to this, the Giffords shooting, Columbine or any of the others where a lone gunman has managed to kill a LOT of people in a very short space of time because they have a semi-automatic weapon with a huge "magazine" with many, many bullets. There is just no argument, as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, a gun in the audience would have done no good whatsoever; he did have all that gear on, plus a groin protector, gas mask, and on and on. He came prepared; no gun would have stopped him--no MULTIPLE guns would have stopped him.

But the bottom line is, nothing will be done. The NRA is so incredibly powerful nobody will go up against them; both Obama and Romney have said oh, sure, they'd sign such a bill "IF IT CAME ACROSS MY DESK". Which they realize it never would, because no such bill would make it through Congress or the Senate, with the NRA "rating" everyone. I was surpised to learn that the vast majority of gun owners aren't members of the NRA. This means that of the minority of Americans who own guns (yes, a minority, if you take into account women, children, poor people who can't afford one and the elderly), the minority of those who DO own guns are the ones RULING US. They are the ones GUARANTEEING that we can't feel even a little bit safe taking our friends, children, etc., to a movie. They are the untouchables; they are the powerful who will allow things like this to continue and continue because they have the power to stop ANY legislation, however small, however minor an impact it would have, from ever getting to our President's desk.

Yes, many things could have been done to at least make it HARDER for this man to acquire what he did; but they never will be, because of a tiny minority of "Americans" (I use the term advisedly) who have the power and the money to stop ANY curb to ownership or acquisition of semi-automatic weapons and high-volume magazines. Period.

What that says about this country sickens me deeply and makes me well,

As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing else regarding guns to discuss.

NIKI2

Monday, July 23, 2012 8:23 PM (P)

Magons,

Quote:
do not wish to live in a world where you have armed guards everywhere, or you have to arm yourself to walk down the street. There is something very wrong with that world.

Absolutely, and there is something very wrong with this country--be glad you live Down Under, and hope you can keep it that way. It's too late for us.

I wouldn't bother to read any of PN's screed (and my gawd, he got carried away on THIS ONE!), but I caught the thing about his not being a "patron". According to news reports and word from the police, theater employees and others in the theater, he purchased a ticket, waited until the movie started, went out the side door, propped it open, went to his car and suited up, came back in through that same door, and started his rampage. Just to clarify.

I also agree his name shouldn't be used. It started OUT that way, with NBC and Obama saying they wouldn't use his name...it pissed me off to hear it all over CNN and I didn't check out other sources...but his name is already being used on MSNBC now and he will become infamous. I wish there were a way to keep THAT from happening at least, but knowing the media, his fame is inevitable. It's a shame that people who do things like this know they'll gain fame, media time and recognition.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, July 23, 2012 8:38 PM (P)

The so-called "Joker" shooter wore a NAZI POLICE UNIFORM, and dyed his hair orange when the real Jokers all had green hair.

Quote:
"Operation NORTHWOODS may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. Operation Northwoods had called for nothing less than the launch of a secret campaign of terrorism within the United States in order to blame Castro and provoke a war with Cuba."
—James Bamford, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4242016437813472857&hl=en
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
http://bodyofsecrets.com

"In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation NORTHWOODS, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military. Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job. Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy. "The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford."
—David Ruppe, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

"We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation. We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide addition

SIGNYM

Monday, July 23, 2012 8:52 PM (P)

Well, I see PN is busy defending his batshit-crazy brethren with batshit-crazy postings. You GO, GIRL!

Can WULF be far behind?

NIKI, here is the gun porn:

Quote:
Hello,

One of the guns I'd most like to own in the wide world is a Thompson Submachinegun. (Semiautomatic issue. I don't have money to rock and roll.)

Quote:
(where we lovingly caress every detail of every firearm we own...)

If you'll forgive me...

One of the guns I used to own was an SKS 1950's era Russian 'assault rifle' with an internal 10-round stripper-clip fed magazine. The particular model of which had features which might also cause it to be outlawed by the prior assault weapons ban.

It's like "guys and cars", or "guys and video games" except this is "guys and things which are made to kill".

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 23, 2012 9:47 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
I am not interested in your gun porn, Anthony. The fact that you think that is an appropriate thing to get into at this point saddens me.

Recent headline:

James Holmes Bought 6,000 Rounds Of Ammo, Big Assault Rifle Magazine, From Internet

Might this kind of purchase raise warning flags for someone who sees guns as something besides a metallic phallus to make up for what the flesh lacks?

Pardon the confrontational air, Anthony. I like you. I do not like your gun porn.

Yep me neither. Makes me vomit in mouth.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, July 23, 2012 9:50 PM (P)

Give up your guns, Big Brother loves you....

Barack Obama (who drops bombs on wedding parties) and Hillary Clinton (who ordered the massacre at the Waco church) have already vowed to sign the United Nations Small Arms Treaty to ban all private gun ownership in USA in July 2012:

http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/SALW/
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/07/10064-un-small-arms-treaty-barack-obam
as-backdoor-gun-control-may-pass/
http://thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/12086-un-arms-transfer-treat
y-att-on-small-arms-gun-grab-gradualism

NIKI2

Monday, July 23, 2012 9:53 PM (P)

Ah, okay. I don't consider it "porn", but I get your point. Further on the subject:

Quote:
We should not brush aside discussions of gun policy as too politically difficult to expect meaningful change, or "the price for our freedoms." Instead, we should reflect on why the U.S. has a murder rate that is nearly seven times higher than the average murder rate in other high-income countries and a nearly 20 times higher murder rate with guns. And we should consider how flaws in current gun policies contribute to this disparity.

Standards for legal ownership and permits to carry a concealed gun are relatively lax in the U.S.

In most states, a person with a long history of arrests and convictions for misdemeanors (often pleaded down from felony charges), prior restraining orders for domestic violence and history of drug and alcohol abuse can own as many military-style weapons as he can afford to purchase, and can legally carry concealed guns almost anywhere.

Under federal law, anyone wanting to purchase a firearm from a licensed gun dealer must pass a background check. But in most states, the gun dealer who stands to profit from a gun sale, rather than a law enforcement agency, determines the authenticity of purchasers' identification cards. Gun dealers face little consequence if they fail to account for dozens of guns upon inspection.

Data indicating which gun dealers sell the most guns linked to crimes are kept from public view and cannot be used in decisions about the dealer's license. Illogically, federal law and most state gun laws allow firearm purchases from private sellers with no background check or questions asked. As a result of these policies, it is far too easy for dangerous people to own, carry and ultimately use guns.

Following mass shootings, gun control opponents have not been bashful about pushing for laws to remove restrictions on carrying guns in schools, bars and churches. Indeed, calls for removing restrictions on carrying concealed firearms will not stop mass shootings. Research indicates that so-called right-to-carry laws don't reduce violence, and may increase aggravated assaults.

But studies I have conducted indicate that stricter regulations of gun sales, whether by retail dealers or by private sellers, are associated with fewer guns diverted to criminals. Moreover, national surveys show that a large majority of citizens favor these reforms to our gun laws, including most gun owners.

In addition, there is substantial research showing that law enforcement strategies that focus on deterring illegal gun possession reduce violent crime. Public health initiatives in Chicago and Baltimore, which use reformed ex-gang-members to reach out to youth, mediate disputes and promote alternatives to violence, have also been shown to significantly reduce homicides and shootings.

The economic costs are staggering -- an estimated $100 billion annually. America's high rate of gun violence is shameful. When will we change? http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/23/opinion/webster-aurora-shooter/index.htm
l?hpt=hp_bn7

My answer to that last question? "Never."

There, by the way, go a few of the arguments some here have made that there are "restrictions" on gun ownership, etc., etc. Just sayin'.

ETA: Jaysus, can't anyone "shut" PN up? My scrolling finger is getting tired, and now I'M having trouble keeping the bile down in my throat!

PIRATENEWS

Monday, July 23, 2012 10:05 PM (P)

http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2012/07/dark-knight-rising-for-new-w
orld-order.html

Why is the crime rate high in USA?

Suicide victims like Gary Webb normally shoot themselves twice in the head. Don't they?

Quote:
"I'm Barack Obama, the Marxist professor. I spent the last two years of high school in a daze. I drank beer heavily, and tried drugs enthusiastically. Look I uh, when I was a kid , I inhaled, frequently. that was uh, that was the point. Now you know that guy ain't shit. Sorry ass motherfuckers got nothin on me, nothin. Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, then there are ignorant motherfuckers like you. You can put lipstick on a pig. You ain't my bitch nigger, buy your own damn fries. That's just how white folks will do ya."
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father MP3
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/

REDREAD

Monday, July 23, 2012 10:16 PM (P)

I thought this "tweet" (really more of an essay or article, but it's on a Twitter service) from Jason Alexander - yes, they guy who played George on Seinfeld - was pretty good:

Quote:
I'd like to preface this long tweet by saying that my passion comes from my deepest sympathy and shared sorrow with [Friday's] victims and with the utmost respect for the people and the police/fire/medical/political forces of Aurora and all who seek to comfort and aid these victims.

[Saturday], I made a comment about how I do not understand people who support public ownership of assault style weapons like the AR-15 used in the Colorado massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

That comment, has of course, inspired a lot of feedback. There have been many tweets of agreement and sympathy but many, many more that have been challenging at the least, hostile and vitriolic at the worst.

[...]

Then I get messages from seemingly decent and intelligent people who offer things like: @BrooklynAvi: Guns should only be banned if violent crimes committed with tomatoes means we should ban tomatoes. OR @nysportsguys1: Drunk drivers kill, should we ban fast cars?

I'm hoping that right after they hit send, they take a deep breath and realize that those arguments are completely specious. I believe tomatoes and cars have purposes other than killing. What purpose does an AR-15 serve to a sportsman that a more standard hunting rifle does not serve? Let's see - does it fire more rounds without reload? Yes. Does it fire farther and more accurately? Yes. Does it accommodate a more lethal payload? Yes. So basically, the purpose of an assault style weapon is to kill more stuff, more fully, faster and from further away. To achieve maximum lethality. Hardly the primary purpose of tomatoes and sports cars.

[...]

There is no excuse for the propagation of these weapons. They are not guaranteed or protected by our constitution. If they were, then we could all run out and purchase a tank, a grenade launcher, a bazooka, a SCUD missile and a nuclear warhead. We could stockpile napalm and chemical weapons and bomb-making materials in our cellars under our guise of being a militia.

These weapons are military weapons. They belong in accountable hands, controlled hands and trained hands. They should not be in the hands of private citizens to be used against police, neighborhood intruders or people who don't agree with you. These are the weapons that maniacs acquire to wreak murder and mayhem on innocents. They are not the same as handguns to help homeowners protect themselves from intruders. They are not the same as hunting rifles or sporting rifles. These weapons are designed for harm and death on big scales.

[...]

We will not prevent every tragedy. We cannot stop every maniac. But we certainly have done ourselves no good by allowing these particular weapons to be acquired freely by just about anyone.

(Bolding mine.)
source: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht

I know it probably won't convince anyone on FFF.NET to change sides - as many of us are already pro gun law reform and those who aren't can be hard to reason with - but I'm hoping he got through to some people. Right or wrong, people pay a lot of attention to celebrities, and I'm glad to see he's using his platform for good.

1KIKI

Monday, July 23, 2012 11:47 PM (P)

With any luck the link will come up active:

very, very odd demeanor - at times appearing extremely tired or drugged, sometimes dazed, sometimes internally focused ... other times insolent, angry ... a very odd mix of odd behaviors ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/us/suspect-in-colorado-shooting-in-c
ourt.html?hp

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:09 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by REDREAD:
I thought this "tweet" (really more of an essay or article, but it's on a Twitter service) from Jason Alexander - yes, they guy who played George on Seinfeld - was pretty good:

Quote:
I'd like to preface this long tweet by saying that my passion comes from my deepest sympathy and shared sorrow with [Friday's] victims and with the utmost respect for the people and the police/fire/medical/political forces of Aurora and all who seek to comfort and aid these victims.

[Saturday], I made a comment about how I do not understand people who support public ownership of assault style weapons like the AR-15 used in the Colorado massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

That comment, has of course, inspired a lot of feedback. There have been many tweets of agreement and sympathy but many, many more that have been challenging at the least, hostile and vitriolic at the worst.

[...]

Then I get messages from seemingly decent and intelligent people who offer things like: @BrooklynAvi: Guns should only be banned if violent crimes committed with tomatoes means we should ban tomatoes. OR @nysportsguys1: Drunk drivers kill, should we ban fast cars?

I'm hoping that right after they hit send, they take a deep breath and realize that those arguments are completely specious. I believe tomatoes and cars have purposes other than killing. What purpose does an AR-15 serve to a sportsman that a more standard hunting rifle does not serve? Let's see - does it fire more rounds without reload? Yes. Does it fire farther and more accurately? Yes. Does it accommodate a more lethal payload? Yes. So basically, the purpose of an assault style weapon is to kill more stuff, more fully, faster and from further away. To achieve maximum lethality. Hardly the primary purpose of tomatoes and sports cars.

[...]

There is no excuse for the propagation of these weapons. They are not guaranteed or protected by our constitution. If they were, then we could all run out and purchase a tank, a grenade launcher, a bazooka, a SCUD missile and a nuclear warhead. We could stockpile napalm and chemical weapons and bomb-making materials in our cellars under our guise of being a militia.

These weapons are military weapons. They belong in accountable hands, controlled hands and trained hands. They should not be in the hands of private citizens to be used against police, neighborhood intruders or people who don't agree with you. These are the weapons that maniacs acquire to wreak murder and mayhem on innocents. They are not the same as handguns to help homeowners protect themselves from intruders. They are not the same as hunting rifles or sporting rifles. These weapons are designed for harm and death on big scales.

[...]

We will not prevent every tragedy. We cannot stop every maniac. But we certainly have done ourselves no good by allowing these particular weapons to be acquired freely by just about anyone.

(Bolding mine.)
source: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/if2nht

I know it probably won't convince anyone on FFF.NET to change sides - as many of us are already pro gun law reform and those who aren't can be hard to reason with - but I'm hoping he got through to some people. Right or wrong, people pay a lot of attention to celebrities, and I'm glad to see he's using his platform for good.

I'm a gun guy, pro 2A, gun owner, been around guns all my life... and I think there's a conversation to be had about the "well regulated" part of the Second Amendment. Hey, it has regulations mentioned right in it!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:15 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
ETA: Jaysus, can't anyone "shut" PN up? My scrolling finger is getting tired, and now I'M having trouble keeping the bile down in my throat!

I recommend a browser that supports adblock; it at least allows you to block all the image spam and save yourself some scrolling.

What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:58 AM (P)

Colorado Shooter Was Camp Counselor for Jewish Big Brothers and Sisters
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/colorado-shooter-was-cam
p-counselor-for-jewish-big-brothers-and-sisters/2012/07/21/

Quote:
Originally posted by REDREAD:
I thought this "tweet" (really more of an essay or article, but it's on a Twitter service) from Jason Alexander - yes, they guy who played George on Seinfeld - was pretty good:

Quote:
[Saturday], I made a comment about how I do not understand people who support public ownership of assault style weapons like the AR-15 used in the Colorado massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

At least with an AR15, you can count on it jamming and thus saving dozens of lives, as it did when this jewish shooter used it.

That's why Uncle Scam gives it to our soldiers, the better to kill them with for Jew Wars.

Quote:
"Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. Regarding the Great Depression. You’re right, we did it. We’re very sorry. But thanks to you, we won’t do it again."
-Ben Bernanke, chairman of the private foreign mostly jewish "Federal" Reserve Bank that counterfeits all "US dollars" (FRN Notes) out of thin air then steals 100% of fed income tax to pay interest on that counterfeit debt, Nov. 8, 2002
http://www.wnd.com/2008/03/59405/

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages...will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without suspecting that the system is inimical to their best interests."
-Rothschild Brothers' of London communiqué to associates in
New York June 25, 1863

Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Marx, Churchill, FDR, Ike, Truman, LBJ, "Ford", Bush, Clinton, Obama = all jews. Do the math.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:16 AM (P)

Batman Colorado shooting: James Holmes fixated by altered states of mind while teaching college students in PhD program
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9419299/Bat
man-Colorado-shooting-James-Holmes-fixated-by-altered-states-of-mind.html

The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus, with dead Heath Ledger's Multiple Personality alters played by Johnny Depp, Colin Farrell and Jude Law
https://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.
microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7DXTB_enUS469&biw=1920&bih=970&q=The%20Imaginarium%20Of%20Doctor%20Parnassus

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

I'm a gun guy, pro 2A, gun owner, been around guns all my life... and I think there's a conversation to be had about the "well regulated" part of the Second Amendment. Hey, it has regulations mentioned right in it!

I need to be regulated to carry a bigger gun, due to my stealth (laziness). My little sissy gun is great for concealment and close combat, but not for slugging it out with a Glock 40, 223 and 12g. Might as well be pink.

But my little baby is great for laying down suppression fire, which would have saved dozens of casualties within 10 seconds as they escaped, without hitting anybody.

When my sister was in a church shooting, 3 men rushed the shooter and his shotgun. Some died that many lived, not handguns required. Guess the Batboys were too scared to try that, compared to a bunch of fag Commies in church, proving Commies are some very nasty sheeple.

I do need a new front sight and a bunch of target practice, preferably combat competition. I'll get some more ammo at Wallymart ASAP.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:39 AM (P)

While I'm not a fan of censorship, I too would like to see PN muzzled for a bit here.
Sorry dude, you're just not concise enough at the moment.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
While I'm not a fan of censorship, I too would like to see PN muzzled for a bit here.
Sorry dude, you're just not concise enough at the moment.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

Better than being in suicidal lala land.

Amazing how the sheeple continue grazing after the wolves eat their fill!

I bet these cowardly victims pull the same stunt the 9/11 victims and Penn State faggots did, go for the money and STFU.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:56 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:

Better than being in suicidal lala land.

Amazing how the sheeple continue grazing after the wolves eat their fill!

See? Here is an example of GOOD PN posting.
Yes, it IS amazing how sheeple look to the outcome but not the CAUSE of an event to yell about.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

KWICKO

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:57 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
While I'm not a fan of censorship, I too would like to see PN muzzled for a bit here.
Sorry dude, you're just not concise enough at the moment.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

At the moment?!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:05 AM (P)

Automatics were banned for a while but everyone could still own normal guns. I wouldn't mind if that ban was re upped.

This is a tragedy and its really awful. J at my day center I help at on Mon., who keeps up on current affairs quite well, is really scared about this since she's going to the movies tomorrow with her sister. I told her that she didn't need to worry, that it wouldn't happen twice like that.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:18 AM (P)

There's no Joker in Dark Knight Rises, sheeple keep Eyes Wide Shut
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2012/07/dark-knight-rising-for-new-w
orld-order.html

Quote:
"We need to brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way."
-US attorney general Eric Holder, Massmurdering Butcher of Operation Fast and Furious and the OK City Bombing, CSPAN2, 1985

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:50 AM (P)

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:27 AM (P)

ABC News Misinterpreted Statement Made by Mother of Accused Colorado Shooter
http://www.infowars.com/abc-news-misinterpreted-statement-made-by-moth
er-of-accused-colorado-shooter/

Another Colorado Mass Killing In Aurora Victim Disarmament Zone Prevented In April By Man With Gun
http://www.infowars.com/another-aurora-colorado-mass-killing-prevented
-in-april-by-man-with-gun/

Colonel Ed O'Connell: Blackwater is "whacking people like crazy" for Obama and the CIA (in Colorado?)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/the-terrifying-bac
kground-of-the-man-who-ran-a-cia-assassination-unit/259856/

Quote:
"We need to brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way."
-US attorney general Eric Holder, Massmurdering Butcher of Operation Fast and Furious and the OK City Bombing, CSPAN2, 1985

"I didn't shoot nobody! No Sir! I'm just a patsy!!!"
-Lee Harvey Oswald in Operation Northwoods

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:21 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by REDREAD:
These weapons are military weapons. They belong in accountable hands, controlled hands and trained hands.

Trained hands....mebbe. Accountable and controlled.....mebbe not so much.
Not to join the gun pornists or anything....but somehow the idea of just the military having access to infinite ammo doesn't make me all that comfy. True they usually just shoot themselves, but not always...

Piratenews. Please calm down. And go for a walk or something, yer bound to throw a clot at this rate.

I realize being without FFF for a weekend makes everbody a bit jumpy, but I think you forgot some meds somewhere.

And thank you for once again showing us that just about ANYTHING you post makes the rest of our innane drivel days look just a little bit smarter...

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:30 AM (P)

Just out of curiosity, are you one of those people who skips past the vote and goes directly to armed insurrection/ survivalism?

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

PEACEKEEPER

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:30 AM (P)

It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a debate of this nature without taking a look at the US gun law.Listen, I'm not saying that we're perfect in the UK. We have had our fair share of nutters (Hungerford and Dunblane to name but two).But after these incidents, we took a good look at how we could tighten the regulations. You HAVE to.Its a no-brainer.
Look, even before any gun control was introduced in the UK, statistics note that less than one crime in 100,000 involved a firearm. Since gun control,(which wasn't fully implemented until the mid 60's, you'll be surprised to hear), that has dropped to 0.6 per 100,000.
The US, having no such control in place, has always had a ratio of about 3.5 to every 100,000. And that figure is set to rise. It has a worse figure than China, Mexico and Brazil. And these are nations where the likes of PN would call dictatorships or backward nations!!!!
Your gun law stems from the 1700's, where you had no Armed Force to speak of and the only way you could defend yourselves was by the formation of Militia.TIMES HAVE MOVED ON, FOLKS. Take a look at the School Zone Act of 1990, where it was made illegal to carry a weapon in the vicinity of a seat of junior learning. Your High Court OVERTURNED it because it was a civil infringement. HOW FUCKING MIND NUMBINGLY RIDICULOUS IS THAT!!!
It is ingrained in your culture that deeply, that you cant see common sense for the fucking ammo!!!!
So long as you keep up this ludicrous charade about your civil rights being affected because you arent allowed to carry a bloody weapon, the longer your citizens will be mowed down by lunatics in cinemas.

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

ANTHONYT

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Take a look at the School Zone Act of 1990, where it was made illegal to carry a weapon in the vicinity of a seat of junior learning. Your High Court OVERTURNED it because it was a civil infringement. HOW FUCKING MIND NUMBINGLY RIDICULOUS IS THAT!!!

Quote:
It is ingrained in your culture that deeply, that you cant see common sense for the fucking ammo!!!!
So long as you keep up this ludicrous charade about your civil rights being affected because you arent allowed to carry a bloody weapon, the longer your citizens will be mowed down by lunatics in cinemas.

Hello,

These two opinions are consistent because their author does not want anyone to have the right to carry weapons.

For those of us who believe in such a right, the school zone act was a mistake because its radius included private homes adjacent to the school as well as public thoroughfares that pass near the school, thus subtracting gun rights from people in their homes and people moving through the area.

I believe that there will always be lunatics who go on killing sprees, and I do not feel compelled to surrender my right to a weapon to prevent that rare danger.

As long as there are people who campaign for the outright banning of weapons or the right to carry them, It will be difficult to find constructive compromises or common sense laws passed on the matter.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

NIKI2

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:12 PM (P)

Gawd, my scrolling fingers is sore! I wish to hell PN would busy himself elsewhere with posting his idiotic, insane propaganda. If wishes were horses...

I, too, am sick to death of how the famous "Second Amendment" is used to justify people having the "right" to own/use weapons which are intended for nothing more than killing a lot of people in a very short time. If the founding fatheres knew how that amendment had been twisted into a few using it to verride the rights of everyone else, they'd spin in their graves. In fact they probably ARE. It was never their intent; the amendment was clearly written to say so, but that last part has been so prostituted that the amendment does FAR more harm than good.

As to the military having weapons the public does not, that's a paranoid and irrelevant argument, in my opinion. Insurrection finds a way, whatever weapons the military may have, and if we have an insurrection, not all the assault weapons in the world will actually help those who are collecting them. Aside from which, it's an absurd argument on the face of it and merely reflects, to me, a way to create a false sense of security, to feel more empowered at a time when we feel increasingly helpless against TPTB. There are other, more effective ways to deal with the situation our country is in at this time, as well as the fact that I don't believe any effort by the populace to change things will be effective with guns.

That aside, as I dismiss "self-protection" as a valid argument for assault weapons, too The fact remains: Those who like guns will always see it as black and white, either "they want to take away all our guns" or "I have the Second-Amendment right to own whatever I want". The fact that it's not black and white will never get through to them. Every time something like this happens, you get the usual argument you got right here: that if others in the audience only owned guns, they'd have somehow prevented the slaughter. Just the fact that this argument TOTALLY ignores that the gunman was covered literally from head to toe with bullet-proof paraphenalia, and tossed a grenade which only he was unaffected by, isn't even considered. All that comes out is the usual, blind, talking point that if EVERYONE were armed, things would be "safer". Obviously, even with so many owning guns, that's not true.

The REAL fact is that the NRA, in collusion with gun manufacturers and their money, WANT you to buy as many guns and as much ammunition as they can con you into buying, so in effect you're just a pawn in their efforts to make a profit. The fact that the NRA will accept NO curb whatsoever on gun ownership, that they utilized ALEC to write the "stand-your-ground" law SPECIFICALLY to encourage more people to buy guns, clearly shows their intent. Those who love their little toys and enjoy stroking them and cleaning them and bragging about them will never believe that there is any limitation on what someone should own, so attempting to debate them is the worst form of pissing into the wind.

There is no common sense reason to own assault weapons or mags with huge amounts of ammunition, simple as that. The argument made in that quote says it all. But the NRA is all-powerful, and has many in their employ who write talking points gun lovers eat up and regurgitate. The gun manufacturers depend on this, fund it and support it, and they are the ONLY ones who reap the benefits...aside from maniacs who take their anger/frustration out on innocent people.

It will keep happening; it will never be contained in any way because bucking the NRA is politically impossible and even more of a "death pill" than attacking SSI or anything else. Unless their power can be lessened (which won't ever happen as far as I can see), we will never have any useful form of gun control. Whenever we try, the next person to come along nullifies th

NIKI2

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:24 PM (P)

Just for fun, let's throw this into the mix:

Quote:
The conceptual problem is immensely difficult, especially in a society that is already as gun-saturated as America is today. The political problem borders on the impossible. Gun policy in this country is made by the National Rifle Association, and no serious effort at gun control can currently get past its veto.

Even when legislation passed during the Clinton years in the form of the Brady bill, requiring background checks at the time of gun purchases, or the assault weapons ban, the NRA succeeded in injecting gaping loopholes into the laws.

Who needs to go through a background check at Walmart when you can get your gun without one at the local gun show or from some shady figure on a street corner?

The assault weapon ban only prohibited the manufacture of new guns (it grandfathered in a huge cache of pre-existing weapons) and gun manufacturers easily redesigned their guns to circumvent the ban. The NRA then trumpets how "gun control" doesn't work.

But it can.

Consider what happened in Australia after a crazed gunman killed 35 people in Port Arthur, Tasmania, in 1996.

The Australian federal government persuaded all states and territories to implement tough new gun control laws. Under the National Firearms Agreement (NFA), firearms legislation was tightened throughout the country. National registration of guns was imposed and it became illegal to hold certain long guns that might be used in mass shootings.

The gun ban was backed up by a mandatory buy-back program that substantially reduced gun possession in Australia.

The effect was that both gun suicides and homicides (as well as total suicides and homicides) fell. Importantly, while there were 13 mass shootings in Australia during the period of 1979--96, there have been none in the sixteen years since.

In 1996, then-Prime Minister John Howard stated that the "whole scheme is designed to reduce the number of guns in the community and make Australia a safer place to live." The Australian attorney general praised the cooperation and responsibility of Australian firearms owners with the gun controls and buy-back, saying, "they have been paid cash for their firearms - giving our nation a welcome Christmas gift by removing unnecessary high-powered firearms from the community. It offers all of us the real chance of a safer festive season and New Year."

Of course, the Australian gun control law in 1997 enjoyed an extremely high level of public support and was not hampered by any domestic gun industry (since Australia did not have any).

Such would not be the case in the United States where pro-gun political views and NRA power create a very different climate. In the wake of another tragic massacre of innocent lives, we should look carefully at the Australian experience to see if the American public will ever rise up as one against gun violence.

They won't of course...rise up that is...and if they did, politicians and the NRA would smack 'em back down. But it's worth noting that it worked in Australia.

NIKI2

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:47 PM (P)

Oh, hey, I love it! What I said about the response being that if someone else in the theater had a gun, the mass murder could have been avoided? I was right on target:

Quote:
The CNN story about the Aurora movie theater shooting had more than 19,000 comments as of 3:45 p.m. ET. The most "liked" comment -- and one that has inspired dozens of responses -- came from Samuel27: "If only there had been someone else with a gun there to stop him. Because nothing is safer than having multiple gunmen in a dark, crowded theater full of panicky people running around."

Samuel27 apparently meant his words sarcastically, but several commenters took him seriously, observing that the surprise and panic created by a sudden shooting is not the atmosphere in which to react with more shooting.

Cestlavie3 wrote an armed civilian could have lowered the number of casualties. "I'm sitting in a theater, three rows in front of me a man stands up and starts shooting. Immediately I access my pistol, stand up and then end his life. He has killed 2 people, but 12 others will go home alive. You do the math," he wrote.

PCShogun wrote that taking action was important.

"I'd rather die with a gun in my hand trying to defend my family and myself than see them all die in front of me knowing I did nothing to try and stop it."

Perhaps the split between opinions is best captured by commenter Corey Hurd, who echoes the ideas of a much different film, Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven," in which Eastwood's character remarks, "It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have."

"By the vast majority of comments on this site, everybody needs some form of counseling; this is not about black or white or red and blue states," Hurd wrote. "Human lives were taken without regard; we need serious dialogue here, but the saddest thing about it is that there aren't any politicians who want to step up to the plate. Should we arm every citizen with a Desert Eagle, am not sure that will make us all safer.

Please note that there were myriad comments about the fact that someone else having a gun WOULDN'T have solved the problem. I omitted them to make my point, but in fairness here they are:

Quote:
"So all you people out there commenting with your guns are all crack shots that you could take this nutjob down with one shot, without hitting anybody else, in a darkened theater, where said nutjob threw a smoke bomb and there are panicked people running around. That's impressive. Unrealistic, but impressive," wrote Laureth. "How would you people feel if instead of hitting the nutjob, you shot someone's kid by mistake?"

Commenter CAFlyers -- who identified himself on a phone call as Robert Bickle of Townsend, Massachusetts -- wrote, "Based on the facts as I know them, I have to say that it is UNLIKELY that I would have been able to take the shot in this scenario effectively due to the state of mind I would have been in at the theater, the speed of the event, the smoke, the commotion, etc."

In a phone interview, Bickle, a Navy veteran and former law enforcement officer whose family has deep roots in both the military and police, added that his family's safety would have been at the top of his mind in such a situation.

"I would be more concerned about the person I was with, and especially if my two kids were there, I'd probably spend my time throwing them on the ground and getting on top of them and crawling our way out of there, than I would ever reaching down into my ankle holster or shoulder holster and try to pull out a weapon and return fire," he said.

BryanPetty cautioned that taking such a shot carries risks. "Conceal and Carry personnel should know better than to draw down in this situation, unless they had a clear shot and could neutralize the target,&quo

ANTHONYT

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:58 PM (P)

Quote:
The Gun Is All. That's what I've seen over and over here, and I think the folk here represent how a lot of pro-gun people think.

Hello,

I think you'll find me a pro-gun person and I think you'll find that I stated quite early on that I don't think there's anything I could have done even if I had been in that theater with a gun.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:07 PM (P)

It rather heartens me that folks here seem to be a bit more rational and reasonable about this.

Agreed, very unlikely given the amount of preparation and venue involved that a CCW holder could have made significant impact on the situation, despite the typical gunbunny knee jerk response.

Also agreed, very unlikely ridiculous TSA-level security theatre would have made an impact either, again, due to the prep and planning involved and the fashion in which it was carried out, despite the typical "anti" knee jerk response.

Honestly, neither extreme, nor anything in between, could have prevented or mitigated this.

And PROFOUNDLY agreed, Siggy - this is a mental health problem, NOT a gun issue, but why is it that no one ever seems to realize that ?

Both "sides" were chucking stones at each other before the wounded were even cared for, and that outrages me a bit.

-Frem

NIKI2

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:28 PM (P)

Anthony, I wasn't directing my comments at you, but at the more fervent gun-bunnies here, who have repeatedly stated that "if only someone had had a gun..." something would have been solved. You've read it here before, surely.

Yes, Frem, it sickens me too, mostly because it's a waste of breath. In my opinion, something like this happening (or any of the other mass murders!) SHOULD bring the discussion to the fore, but the way things actually are, I think even talking about gun restrictions is a waste of time, so they shouldn't be bothering to take the focus off the tragedy itself.

And yes, it is a mental-health issue, which again, little or nothing is done about. So many slip through the cracks, or end up on the street, our mental-health system is a disaster. Unfortunately, tho', there is a down side to that, too, in that invariably people look toward easy fixes...like forced medication, of which I, of course, am terrified! There are myriad things we COULD do to solve that problem, but that's not what people look to immediately...and if Romney gets in office, guaranteed mental-health care will LESSEN, not improve. As well as whatever minor gun restrictions that might exist being lifted...

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Theatre-wise, ONE FUCKING USHER checking doors could have prevented/limited this. Oh, no ushers anymore. Well, the theatre corporation saved themselves a lot of money.

Smaller version of 9-11 here. No or shit security for BUDGETARY reasons. Save a buck; lose some lives.

Hello,

I don't think more security is the answer to this question. I'm not sure I want enough security to protect me from madmen who plan killing sprees.

Bringing ushers back would hardly be an overblown security measure. This situation wouldn't have needed "enough security to protect from madmen," it just would have needed enough security to close a door. It might not have saved everyone, but it would certainly have made a difference.

What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:09 PM (P)

Hey all,

Until our culture stops perceiving the mentally ill as some kind of sideshow, something shameful, something to be shunned, we'll never be able to help people like James Holmes (Even among us here, I'm sure there are several of you who want nothing to do with helping him). Until then we'll be continually shutting barn doors after the cows are gone. At this point in our history, all of our solutions to the James Holms problem focus on his monstrosity. More guns to put him down! Fewer guns to control his choices!

The state of the mental health system in America is apalling, not just in terms of funding and the like, but, more broadly and crucially, in terms of culture. Holms was ill before the rampage. This was known by key people in his life. But nothing was done about it because our society sneers at healing, at therapy and "dependancy," "playing the victim," etc. etc. etc. Those who seek help are weak, shameful. We push people toward antisocial behavior, rather then showing them and affirming the real need for healing. Every time we, in our dubious superiority, casually celebrate our contempt for "group hugs" and "kumbaya moments" and "being needy" and "speaking from the heart" and "victim culture," etc., we participate in this other culture that sees violence and control as the best solution for our worst problems.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

NIKI2

Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:44 PM (P)

Gawd, Cav, that was SO beautiful and SO right on it almost made me cry. It's wonderful to see a person "get it", and pretty rare.

Tell you one thing, tho'; mood disorders experience less stigma now than they did (when people who weren't famous just got locked away in a "madhouse"--those with talent and/or fame, of course, were only considered "eccentric"!), and hopefully down the line that will keep happening. What to DO about it probably won't improve until the stigma is far less, unfortunately, but it's on the right road.

On the other hand, the state of our mental-health care is absolutely horrific. The mentality these days is to drug the hell out of someone until they stop "acting out", then give them a prescription and turn them loose--or put them in jail. Believe me, I experienced it first hand with Jo, many times. She could act out like nobody's business, and the actual treatment she got was minimal, even when we had to 51/50 her.

I knew two perfect examples of bipolars who didn't get treatment. May have posted this before. One young lady, VERY bright, professional (tho' I'm not sure being a lawyer necessarily represented her "sanity"!), very "normal" most of the time, took a tire iron to her pharmacist when he wouldn't give her drugs to commit suicide. She ended up in county jail. Another, really sweet lady, did "slalom" on the Golden Gate Bridge, weaving between the cones that separate one direction from the other (makes me shudder just to think of it!). She ended up in County too, and lost custody of her two kids to boot. Both were really nice people, sensible as anyone 90% of the time, but after their stints in County nobody bothered to get them any further treatment, help them afford counseling, or ANYTHING else. So those sorts of things would probably happen to them again, and maybe worse, down the line. How does that help anyone??

The mentality has to change before the treatment can, as you said, and I probably won't see it in my lifetime, unfortunately.

Threadjack: One of the things I'm happiest to see on TV is that the mentally disordered are beginning to show up as PEOPLE...hell, showing up at ALL is an improvement, even if it's just as the "token" mentally ill. The single best character on Alphas (which I just started watching) is the autistic boy and, tho' they haven't got autism down perfectly, and seem to be making him less and less autistic as time goes on, it's a start.

Then there's the new series "Perspective", of which the star is a schizophrenic. I'm really grateful for that one--not only have they managed to get schizophrenia down pretty damned well, but they've shown how he can be a perfectly valid member of society (a working professor), can solve things others couldn't with the help of his manifested subconscious AND that he makes a serious effort to be responsible and aware of his disorder. It's still far from perfect (Law & Order was a pioneer in this and did a damned good job with bipolars! and not half bad with schizophrenics, tho' they tended to show the latter negatively), but again, it's a start.

Just like other minorities, if we can get a place in TV and be integrated as real people, it can only help. But we have a DAMNED long way to go, and until something changes, you hit the nail on the head, Cav. In spades.

By the way, it COULD be worse. In Japan, people are too ashamed to even ADMIT they have a problem, and if they dare admit it to their family, they get locked up so the family doesn't have to face the "shame". So it could be worse.

KWICKO

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:53 AM (P)

Meanwhile, here's some food for thought:

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

REDREAD

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:35 AM (P)

If we're talking underlying issues now, I think the focus needs to be on more than just mental health, especially since most people who are crazy are not violent.

Seems to me like the people who go on mass shootings are usually white men. Why is that? Why is it that a very small subset of crazy white men reach for this type of violence, and very few other people (and only one (white) woman that I can find) do? If this was just because of some general culture of violence, wouldn't it affect everyone equally? Because it seems to me like a) something about white masculinity is attracted to the idea of mass shootings and/or b) white men have greater access to the tools needed for mass shootings.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:00 AM (P)

Uhh, weren't there two by Asians or Koreans last year? The Campus things...

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:24 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:

Until our culture stops perceiving the mentally ill as some kind of sideshow, something shameful, something to be shunned, we'll never be able to help people like James Holms (Even among us here, I'm sure there are several of you who want nothing to do with helping him).
The state of the mental health system in America is apalling, not just in terms of funding and the like, but, more broadly and crucially, in terms of culture.

Whatchu goin' do 'bout it, Willis??

Want people to turn in people who SUSPECT others of being crazy?? Mandatory group hugs every five minutes? Sing gospel while the mentals shoot at you?

Once again, forest for the trees. What is actionable, vs what is moraly correct.

Unless we focus on fixing what the hell goes wrong with the brain chemically, CAN'T DO NOTHIN, CAN'T FIX NOTHIN'. "Group huggies" and "kumbaya moments" DON'T FIX WHAT'S BROKE. Don't even help for more more than a few minutes, if that....

Do I blame people for being crazy, NO. But I gotta hold them as accountable as everyone else until a better way comes along, otherwise all that's left is anarchy.

Like I said before,

I WILL NEVER MAKE EXCUSES FOR PEOPLE THAT HURT OTHER PEOPLE WITH IMPUNITY. EVER. YOU CAN'T STICK TO THAT ONE VERY SIMPLE DAMN RULE, YOU GET THE LOONEY BIN OR LETHAL INJECTION.
Makes that simple. And NO, I don't wanna help his ass, those people in that theater coulda just as easily been MY people.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:41 AM (P)

All guns were already banned in the Aurora Victim Disarmament Zone.

At Columbine the cops shots innocent student trying to escape being locked inside with the 4 shooters in the Victim Disarmament Zone.

If the cops had gotten to the Dark Knight Movie Massacre any sooner, they'd have shot as many survivors as possible.

Do you really think the scary Ronald McDonald clown shot all those people? He worked at McDonalds and got a $26,000 grant to work for the National Institutes of Health, and previously for for DARPA (Pentagon). His daddy also worked at DARPA. Alleged shooter James Holmes had a number of links to U.S. government-funded research centers, including the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, at te "former" U.S. Army’s Fitzsimons Army Medical Center, “to prevent fatigue in combat troops," part of DARPA's “Peak Soldier Performance Program" (doping them out of their minds to kill without remorse and with total amnesia). His father, Dr. Robert Holmes, worked for DARPA to develop “cortronic neural networks” that enable machines to translate aural and visual stimuli and simulate human thinking. Lt. Col. Robert Holmes, the grandfather of James Holmes, was a CIA or DIA spy in the Turkish language at the Army Language School, later the Defense Language Institute, in Monterey, California (the same military installation, incidentally, where alleged 9/11 hijacker Saeed Alghamdi trained).

The Joker has green hair you morons

Obama and his Commie friends say they want to genocide 25-million Americans in death camps. Obama already murders over 50% of all black babies in USA, with taxpayer funds. This week he's signing a treaty at the United Nations to overthrow the US constitution and ban most guns for most people, to make mass roundups safer for cops and soldiers.

Police have ZERO responsibility to protect the sheeple, says the US Supreme Court.

On the same day as the movie massacre, at a medical college in Aurora, police ran a "drill" of a shooter massacre in a movie, using smoke bombs... This is the cover story for the actual false flag psyop, as confessed in Operation Northwoods. Obama already gave 20,000 guns to the Mexican mafiya, to kill 10,000s of people and "justify" banning the 2nd Amendment. Obama enjoys routinely ordering the assassination of people, including US citizens, and has no guilt in killing entire wedding parties of innocent people, so why would he care about a few white taxslaves in a movie theater? His daddy was deported as an illegal alien, along with many other relatives deported as illegal aliens, so why would he care about US citizens? As a Communist, Obama is sworn to overthrow USA, so why would he care about Americans watching a movie? Do the math.

Quote:
“The tragedy that played out in an Aurora movie theater Friday was ironically paralleled as a classroom learning experience in a medical school in Parker the same day. Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine is in the middle of holding specialized classes in disaster life support for 150 second-year medical students. Along with response to natural disasters like hurricanes and floods and terrorist attacks, one of the scenarios being used to train the students is how to respond if a shooter fires at people in a movie theater and also uses a bomb in the attack. 'The irony is amazing, just amazing,' said Rocky Vista Dean Dr. Bruce Dubin. The shootings in Aurora were incorporated into the teaching Friday, Dubin said."
-Nancy Lofholm, Denver Post, Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school, 07/21/2012
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126462/real-life-shooting-imitates
-training-exercise-at-parker

"Respondent filed this suit under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 alleging that petitioner viola

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:52 AM (P)

There are 110 killers of their own families. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_familicides_in_the_United_States

Separately there are 89 'rampage killers' in the US, not counting workplace or school shootings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Americas

• George “Jo Jo” Pierre Hennard 1991

• James Oliver Huberty 1984

• Jiverly Voong 2009

• Howard Unruh 1949

• James Eagan Holmes 2012

• Charles Starkweather and Caril Ann Fugate 1958

• Michael Kenneth McLendon 2009

• Gilbert Twigg 1903

• Michael Alan Silka 1984

• Walter Jones and William Jones 1913

• Gian Luigi Ferri 1993

• Robert A. Hawkins 2007

• Carl Robert Brown 1982

• Scott Evans Dekraai 2011

• Nicholas Troy Sheley 2011

• Seung-Hui Cho 2007

• Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold 1999

• Patrick Henry Sherill 1986

• Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan 2009

• Charles Whitman 1966

• Roger Gene Simmons 1987

• George Banks 1982

• James Edward Pough 1990
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/James_Edward_Pough.jpeg

• John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo 2002

• James Ruppert 1975

• Jeff Weise 2005

• Bruce Jeffrey Pardo 2008

• Marcus Wesson 2004

Wilkins, Nathan Van, 44 2012 Tuscaloosa, AL U.S.
Holmes, James Eagan, 24 (alleged) 2012 Aurora, CO U.S.
Dekraai, Scott Evans, 41 2011 Seal Beach, CA U.S.
Loughner, Jared Lee, 22 2011 Tucson, AZ U.S.
Sencion, Eduardo, 32 2011 Carson City, NV U.S.
McLendon, Michael Kenneth, 28° 2009 Kinston, Samson & Geneva, AL U.S.
Sodini, George A., 48 2009 Bridgeville, PA U.S.
Wong, Jiverly Antares, 41 2009 Binghamton, NY U.S.
Stewart, Robert
Kenneth Wayne, 45 2009 Carthage, NC U.S.
Sheley, Nicholas Troy, 28 2008 Sterling, Rock Falls & Galesburg, IL
Zamora, Isaac Lee, 28 2008 Alger, WA U.S.
Peterson, Tyler James, 2 2007 Crandon, WI U.S.
Hawkins, Robert A., 19 2007 Omaha, NE U.S.
Huff, Kyle Aaron, 28 2006 Seattle, WA U

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:03 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

And yes, it is a mental-health issue, which again, little or nothing is done about. So many slip through the cracks, or end up on the street, our mental-health system is a disaster. Unfortunately, tho', there is a down side to that, too, in that invariably people look toward easy fixes...like forced medication, of which I, of course, am terrified! There are myriad things we COULD do to solve that problem, but that's not what people look to immediately...and if Romney gets in office, guaranteed mental-health care will LESSEN, not improve. As well as whatever minor gun restrictions that might exist being lifted...

It's a mental health issue AND a gun issue. SOunds like this guy may have had some sort of massive breakdown, which unfortunatey played out in such a destructive way because of the availability of guns.

It's kind of nuts to me that people can't see the correlation of massive amounts of weaponry available = increased gun deaths. Weird. It's an NRA induced reality.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:17 AM (P)

The alleged shooter was paid $26,000 research grant by the US Govt National Institutews of Health and DARPA at the
Pentagon. The medical school he was attending was formerly the US Army Medical College. His project for the
Pentagon to manufacture Super Soldiers under mind control.........

Slip him a mickey, dump him in the parking lot, let him play the patsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Bourne

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:21 AM (P)

Magons

My take on it -

Well, our Constitution has put us in an odd spot - and I think really twisted the thinking of some people.

The Supreme Court recently held that the Constitution gave individuals the personal right to own guns, for, among other things, individual self-protection. Gone is even the fig-leaf of the 'well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State'. In their zeal to reach a foregone conclusion, I think they turned a blind eye to a few important ideas in the second amendment.

That aside, there are gun-nuts, there are people with guns who aren't nuts, there are nutty people without guns, and then there are the select individuals who are truly nutty but in a particularly armed way. Giving you the eponymous 'nut with a gun'. When it comes to regulating PEOPLE who might own guns and ammo, the problem is when you have crazy people with no official problematic history. People who could probably pass a gun-competency test, pass a background check, and trigger no more than a niggling feeling in their audience that something isn't quite right. But if they were to DEMAND their RIGHT to guns and ammo, with no OFFICIAL barrier, I can't see how that could or would be stopped.

I'm very curious, what would you do to screen out a James Holmes, or a Jared Lee Loughner?

The other thing of course would be to regulate the types and amounts of guns and ammo you can get. I'd go further and say that different batches of gunpowder should be tagged with elements and/ or quantum dots to trace ammo even further. (But I can see the gun-nuts now, dealing in black-market untagged ammo. Finest kind jefe.)

(BTW, when both Obama and Romney state that now is not the time to discuss further gun control it looks like the leaders of both parties are firmly in the pocket of the NRA. Between the banks and insurance companies and the IMF and the IAEA and the NRA and the NSA I'd think they HAVE to get conflicted being served to so many masters.)

Also, this country is an especially callous one. Deep down, people know that hard work and social efforts are for fools. The only measure of worth here is money. And the less money you have, the more disposable you are. That is little Rappy's, Geezer's, ZIT's, Troll's and others avowed ethic. Aside from what it does to individual outlook, it changes how we structure our economy. That's why we have so MANY nuts with guns - instead of investing in them as people who need help we threw them away like broken goods too expensive to fix, only they wouldn't stay thrown.

Anyway, sad to say I don't see this country changing. Not even on something as self-evident as regulating guns and ammo.

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

KWICKO

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:58 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

And yes, it is a mental-health issue, which again, little or nothing is done about. So many slip through the cracks, or end up on the street, our mental-health system is a disaster. Unfortunately, tho', there is a down side to that, too, in that invariably people look toward easy fixes...like forced medication, of which I, of course, am terrified! There are myriad things we COULD do to solve that problem, but that's not what people look to immediately...and if Romney gets in office, guaranteed mental-health care will LESSEN, not improve. As well as whatever minor gun restrictions that might exist being lifted...

It's a mental health issue AND a gun issue. SOunds like this guy may have had some sort of massive breakdown, which unfortunatey played out in such a destructive way because of the availability of guns.

I think it was a "massive breakdown" long in the making. He'd been amassing weaponry for months, he'd been studying mental disease, etc.; I get the feeling that he knew for a long time that there was something not right with him, and was actually trying to self-diagnose and/or self-medicate, and it slowly unwound for him and then went tragically off the rails.

But yeah, he seems like the classic "shouldn't-be-allowed-anywhere-near-guns" kind of guy, just like Jared Laughner and so many others before him.

Quote:

It's kind of nuts to me that people can't see the correlation of massive amounts of weaponry available = increased gun deaths. Weird. It's an NRA induced reality.

It's kind of nuts to me that people can ONLY see such correlations when they happen across the border in Mexico. When that happens, it's obviously Obama's fault, and not the fault of the criminals, the guns, or anything else.

Call it NRA-induced hysterical blindness.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:05 PM (P)

I also find it ironic that in the wake of this latest mass shooting, we're once again being told that "this isn't the time" to talk about any kinds of regulations or restrictions on guns or ammo...

... but maybe we should outlaw masks and costumes from movie theaters.

Let's be perfectly clear: James Holmes's red-dyed hair didn't hurt or kill anyone. His guns did.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

NIKI2

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:11 PM (P)

I think the "Asian", etc., which you mentioned, were like Asian-Americans or somesuch, in which case they have lived at least some time in OUR culture, didn't they? I can't say beyond that, but yes, Yinig (I get confused when people change their handles!), there seems to be something about males anyway, tho' I'm not sure why. Certainly our society has problems in the area of different gender attitudes and expectations, but I wouldn't have thought it went that far.

Just reaching here, but I kind of wonder if stress "gets" to guys in different ways than it does women. Certainly women seek help more than men do, and men are less willing to admit weakness or talk about their problems--GENERALLY SPEAKING, mind you. Maybe with men it just builds and builds until they lose it or something. These are extremely stressful and extremely confusing and crazy times, maybe it affects some men that way. Certainly the political rhetoric has been pretty violence-inciting, but obviously it's not politics in the majority of cases...maybe all the violent talk swirling around somehow contributes. Unquestionably I have no answers, or even clues, just speculating here.

Mike...I know where you got the Sudafed thing, and it blew my mind when I heard it, too.

Wish, I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone is advocating group hugs or any of that shit. I think Cav is talking about the fact that if we had a decent mental-health system, fewer people like this would slip through the cracks, which might mean fewer things like this happen.

Personally, it would never enter my head to "help" him after what he did. It's way too late then and I'm not buddhist enough to feel more than compassion for him being so screwed up. He HAS to be in jail or permanently in hospital, and I'm sure he'll be in one or the other. The only reason I don't say "death penalty" is that it costs more taxpayer dollars to go through the long, drawn-out process of the death penalty than it does to keep him locked up the rest of his life. Never said I was a perfect buddhist.]

As an aside, I fully understand but would be awfully grateful if we could avoid stuff like "crazy" and "mentals" and "looney bin". There are plenty of other words and yes, while I definitely differentiate between someone like him and what he's done and the rest of us in the mentally disordered community--NO argument there!--it's uncomfortable to read those words as if they apply to all of us. I'm dx'd bipolar; I've never been violent in my life and, as mentioned, the vast majority of us aren't. Luckily for me I'm bipolar II so never suffered the mania those I described did, or ever will, but I'm nonetheless diagnosed as mentally ill. The guy in question is unquestionably very, very sick and no doubt mentally disturbed to an unimaginable degree, I just don't want to be lumped with him. Only a wish, obviously nobody has to comply.

Jeez, Kiki, that was almost like a PN post--minus all the bullshit, of course. Can't SOMEONE distract him to get him out of our hair? (Hee, hee, hee, visions of someone bending over extending their hand with candy in it calling "Here, PN, here PN boy, come over this way..." )

Magons,

Quote:
It's kind of nuts to me that people can't see the correlation of massive amounts of weaponry available = increased gun deaths. Weird. It's an NRA induced reality.

Mixed with a Wild West mentality, which our country is famous for, yes. Right now, numerous gunbunny politicians/pundits are trying to say this is the wrong time to talk about gun control; one even said it "was offensive to the American people" to talk about it. We all know why, of course, but it would be amusing to watch them try to tamp it down if it weren't so totally sick. Believe me, many, many of us make the connection but, as I sa

NIKI2

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:49 PM (P)

Amusingly, if sadly, here's another expression of the NRA-induced hysterical blindness:

Quote:
Firearms sales are surging in the wake of the Colorado movie theater massacre as buyers express fears that anti-gun politicians may use the shootings to seek new restrictions on owning weapons.

In Colorado, the site of Friday's shooting that killed 12 and injured dozens of others, gun sales jumped in the three days that followed. The state approved background checks for 2,887 people who wanted to purchase a firearm — 25 percent more than the average Friday to Sunday period in 2012 and 43 percent more than the same interval the week prior.

Dick Rutan, owner of Gunners Den in suburban Arvada, Colo., said requests for concealed-weapon training certification "are off the hook." His four-hour course in gun safety, required for certification for a concealed-weapons permit in Colorado, has drawn double the interest since Friday.

"What they're saying is: They want to have a chance. They want to have the ability to protect themselves and their families if they are in a situation like what happened in the movie theater," Rutan said.

Day-to-day gun sales frequently fluctuate, but the numbers also look strong outside of Colorado, too.

Seattle's home county, King, saw nearly twice as many requests for concealed pistol licenses than the same timeframe a year ago. Florida recorded 2,386 background checks on Friday, up 14 percent from the week before. Oregon sales on Friday and Saturday were up 11 percent over the month prior. Four days of checks in California were up 10 percent month-to-month.

During the past decade, June and July have consistently been the slowest months for gun sales, according to FBI data.

Jay Wallace, who owns Adventure Outdoors in Smyrna, Ga., found that his sales on Saturday were up 300 percent from the same day a year ago — making it one of the best Saturdays his business has ever had. He said customers are often afraid when there's a gun-related tragedy that some lawmakers might try and push through an anti-gun agenda.

"We shouldn't let one sick individual make us forget and lose sight of freedoms in this country," Wallace said.

I wonder how many of those also had the absurd concept that "if only someone in the audience had had a gun..."

They spiked massively when Obama was elected too, thanx to scare tactics that he would "take away our gun" (even tho' he did the very opposite). Nobody said we Americans were very bright...

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:16 PM (P)

Good idea 'bout the stress guys feel Niki.

Even in a world that we're all "supposedly" equal and paychecks are evening out, guys do feel that pressure much different than girls do. Even in Jr. High or High School, as violent as girls are becoming today, they still have "their girls" to go back to and do some "team healing". Guys don't have that. Save for maybe one good friend or brother who also would have taken a licking with you, men who lose those battles are left alone to retreat to the corner and lick their own wounds.

We all find our outlets for that pressure and, thankfully, most of us are considerate and civilized enough to inflict only pain upon ourselves rather than dish it out on completely innocent and uninvolved people like this asshole did.

I'm ABSOLUTELY sure that NO study will come out to verify my suspicions, but if this kid had enough money to buy a pack and a half of Marlboro's a day at 9 bucks a pack, he probably wouldn't have killed 12 people and wounded another 59 at a midnight showing.

I know the non-smoking Left wingers HATE cigarettes, but in their blind hatred I think they're potentially missing a BIG part of the violent future we're in for with the status quo. I'm just saying, this bullshit would NEVER have happened in the 70s to the Mid-90s back when smokes 1 to 2.5 bucks a pack.

As for not being "lumped in" with a "genre", I feel the same way about the online "sexual deviant" database. Fortunately, the mother of the 17 year old girl I was dating when I was 21 loved me and nothing came of it, but her step-father hated me and never refrained from showing it (I think he had some sick thing for his step-daughter, but can't prove it). If he had his way, even ten years later, I would be committing a crime even if I unwillingly drove down the block where a school was. The online databases don't distinguish the "crime" they only say one was convicted of "sexual deviance". Of course, if I were on that database and somebody were to look me up, their first thought could be that I might have raped a skull of an underage prostitute. Guilty until proven innocent when only half-truths or less are available to the public for their own "safety".

Why is there no "sub-categories" online for this type of thing? There is probably a BILLION AND ONE things you could end up on this registry for, but the "end user" looking people up just sees that you're on it and is left with their imagination to wonder why you're on it.

About the NRA.... I'm not a member.

Actually, to be honest with you, I've NEVER fired a real gun..... just a bb gun.

I own a sweet Colt compact 45 that I've recognized in several TV shows after I got it. I was afraid of it until my Army bro taught me how to operate it and clean it. I still, to this day, have never fired a gun.

I'm glad nobody ever tried to rob my old apartment when I lived there because that bullet would have gone through him at close range and probably the next 3 layers of drywall through my neighbor's apartment before stopping mid-brick of the outer wall.

All that being said, isn't it spooky how "normal" this kid looks in the photo they showed everyone?

I always said that I'd smile for any police photo I had to take, but it's never happened. But the photo of this guy wasn't a police photo. It looks like they got his yearbook photo from last year.

If we weren't talking about the horrible act he committed and he was just posting his face in the General Discussions, Phoenix Rose would be complementing on his smile now, instead of what he did.

I know what the detractors say about guns and I realize there was not any visability or sanity after the tear gas was thrown, but I wish I had a shot there.

I am going to learn how not to be afraid of my gun.

I am going to learn how to fire and clean my gun.

I am going to learn how to hit the target I'm aiming for with my gun.

It amazes me that outside of IL and DC you can get a conceal and carry permit. I grew up in IL most

NIKI2

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:26 PM (P)

Ying, apparently you're not the first person to think about this. Thought you might find this interesting:

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There’s a predictable cycle of mourning and recrimination that follows a massacre like the shootings last week in Aurora, Colo. First come the calls for unity and flags flown at half-mast. Then the national fissures appear: the gun lobby stiffens its spine as gun-control advocates make their case. Psychologists parse the shooter’s background, looking for signs of mental illness or family disarray. Politicians point fingers about “society run amok” and “cultures of despair.”

We’ve been down this path so many times, yet we keep missing the elephant in the room: How many of the worst mass murderers in American history were women? None. This is not to suggest that women are never violent, and there are even the rare cases of female serial killers. But why aren’t we talking about the glaring reality that acts of mass murder (and, indeed, every single kind of violence) are overwhelmingly perpetrated by men? Pointing out that fact may seem politically incorrect or irrelevant, but our silence about the huge gender disparity of such violence may be costing lives.

Imagine for a moment if a deadly disease disproportionately affected men. Not a disease like prostate cancer that can only affect men, but a condition prevalent in the general population that was vastly more likely to strike men. Violence is such a condition: men are nine to 10 times more likely to commit homicide and more likely to be its victims. The numbers are sobering when we look at young men. In the U.S., for example, young white males (between ages 14 and 24) represent only 6% of the population, yet commit almost 17% of the murders. For young black males, the numbers are even more alarming (1.2% of the population accounting for 27% of all homicides). Together, these two groups of young men make up just 7% of the population and 45% of the homicides. And, overall, 90% of all violent offenders are male, as are nearly 80% of the victims.

We shouldn’t need Steven Pinker, one of the world’s leading psychologists and the author of the book, The Better Angels of Our Nature, to tell us the obvious: “Though the exact ratios vary, in every society, it is the males more than the females who play-fight, bully, fight for real, kill for real, rape, start wars and fight in wars.” The silence around the gendering of violence is as inexplicable as it is indefensible. Sex differences in other medical and social conditions — such as anorexia nervosa, lupus, migraines, depression and learning disabilities — are routinely analyzed along these lines.

For millennia, human society has struggled with what to do with young men’s violent tendencies. Many cultures stage elaborate initiation ceremonies, presided over by older men, which help channel youthful aggression into productive social roles. But in contemporary society, we have trouble talking about the obvious: the transition from boy to man is a risky endeavor, and there can be a lot of collateral damage.

Skeptics will claim that the perpetrators of horrific acts like the Aurora shootings are such aberrations that we can hardly build public policy around their evil behavior. But it’s a mistake to view mass murderers as incomprehensible freaks of nature. For example, we know that the young men who go on murderous rampages are not always sociopathic monsters but, rather, sometimes more or less “regular” men who suffered from crushing depression and suicidal ideation.

No reasonable person can imagine how despair could possibly lead to premeditated mass homicide. However, the fact that depression is so frequently accompanied by violent rage in young men — a rage usually, but not solely, directed at themselves — is something we need to acknowledge and understand.

Our refusal to talk about violence as a public-health problem with known (or knowable) risk factors keeps us from helping the young men who are at most risk and, of course

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:57 PM (P)

Wish

Many years go I knew a young man who was probably the smartest person I'll ever meet in my life. After losing track of him, one day he suddenly showed up literally at my door - pale, extremely thin, shambling, mud on the back of his clothes like he'd been sleeping on the dirt, pupils fully dilated, deep in some silent internal conversation with himself, and off-topic - though not overtly 'crazy' - when he did speak with me. A few months later he committed suicide.

James Holmes' demeanor was remarkably similar, and I don't think you can fake pale skin and dilated pupils. While I think we need to wait for the complete diagnosis, I think it's rather premature to write off a psychotic break and put this all to fakery - don't you?

Also, FWIW, why don't you want to 'help his ass'? Is it too expensive for your tastes? Does that create a society too focused on people and not enough on business? Do you just want revenge, and, being too chicken to get a gun and blow him away yourself, you're content to let the machinery of society grind him to bits for you? And ready to watch with the satisfaction of one who's just had a tasty meal?

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:06 PM (P)

"There is so much more we need to learn about how to prevent violence, but we could start with the sex difference that is staring us in the face."

And yet there are societies where the men are not so nearly violent as in the US.

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

CAVETROLL

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:38 PM (P)

So, we have the following opinions,

Guns kill people. (In which case, all of my guns are defective.) Cars kill even more people, every single day. Ted Kennedy's car killed a person. I guess we should outlaw cars. Can't trust 'em. They do things of their own volition.

We need tighter gun control. Mexico has very tight gun control. Civilians are restricted to the strongest handgun in 38 special or .380 ACP. No restrictions on rifles or shotgun power, except that civilians may not have any guns in a military caliber. There is ONE gun store in the entire country. It is in Mexico City and it is run by the Mexican Army. This of course makes Mexico a gun-free paradise, right? Hmm, I wonder why that isn't working? And for those of you who want to babble about gun slipping across the US border; A)Gosh, maybe Mexico should secure the border. B)Gun violence is epidemic all over Mexico, even on the Yucatan Peninsula, which is about as far from the US as you can get. $1200 dollar US made AR-15 (semi-auto) or $300 Venezuela made AK-47 (full auto). What to buy, what to buy?

Crazy issue. Yes, this will get you some traction. It was a crazy issue. Trouble is doctors PRACTICE medicine because it is not perfected. Get back to me once you have a perfect test for dangerous crazy.

A lot has been said about the Aurora shooter's preparation for this event. (I'm not going to mention his name, on the off chance that he did it for infamy. Let's at least deny him that.) Does anybody else think that he also selected the scene carefully? First, it was a gun free zone (or victim disarmament zone as I like to call them). Funny how many of these spree killings take place in gun free zones, isn't it? Second, it was a a midnight premiere of a popular movie franchise, so it would be reasonable to expect a large crowd. Especially in the summer when there's no school the next day. Distantly third, at a late show you would expect people's reactions to be slowed due to the late hour. Make whatever hay you want about whether or not armed citizens could have made a difference (shooter silhouetted against the movie screen, audience's eyes already adjusted to the dim conditions). Making the theater a gun free zone removed any CHANCE of that happening. I should also bring up that just a few days before a 71 year old man used his CCW to stop an armed robbery in a Florida internet cafe.

The AR-15 has no purpose but to kill people. Thank God the shooter had an AR-15 with a double snail drum. The double snail drums are crap. They look impressive as Hell. Very, very tacticool, but they jam with regularity. Which is exactly what happened to the shooter. Compared to a normal capacity 30 or 20 round magazine for the AR-15, which can be changed by an inexperienced shooter in 2-3 seconds, and an experienced shooter in less than 1. The AR-15 also fires a varminting cartridge. 5.56 NATO was developed to kill agricultural pests at long range. It is a glorified .22. Not that the .22 is completely non-lethal. It just would never be my first choice. 5.56 NATO is much less effective than the 7.62 NATO round it replaced or the 30.06 that preceded it. Once the shooter's rifle jammed he had to switch to his Remington 870 shotgun. A weapon so common it is almost the bellybutton of the shooting world. Everyone's got one. The shotgun, while devastating to a single target especially in a room, is not the streetsweeper Hollywood would have you believe.

Ammunition, tactical gear, etc. It has been widely reported that the shooter was wearing a bulletproof vest. Wrong. He was wearing a tactical vest. Which is nothing more than an up to date set of load bearing equipment with built in magazine pouches. The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees. Yes, they're technically ballistic nylon. But they're not going to stop a bullet. Granted, his helmet offered a higher level of protection, but even military a

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:05 PM (P)

"When I worked in mental health ..."

You were what ... mopping floors?

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:10 PM (P)

Oh, btw, the vest he wore was armored. There goes your ASSumption of an easy body shot.

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:40 PM (P)

One more observation - did you all find the spin on the reporting to be, well, head spinning?

Over a couple of hours the description of Holmes went from being a brilliant former PhD candidate in neuroscience to being a (soto voce graduate school) DROPOUT. Two reporters that I heard claimed it was an ego thing, yanno, he peaked in high school and his ego couldn't take the real world. Thank you doctor reporters for your professional diagnoses. Reporting skewed from 'no time for shock, no time to think, no time to mourn let's whore family members to warp-speed celebrate the LIFE of the bodies not yet cold!' to breathless rehashing by people who survived to grave and serious posturing.

It was the internal schism of infotainment for all to see. How can we pitch this event for maximal titillation of our viewing audience and keep on flogging it for gain? It was all their cheap and tawdry wares on display.

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

KWICKO

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:43 PM (P)

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Oh, by the way, someone mentioned somewhere back a ways that some idiot had said he was linked to the Tea Party. It WAS an idiot, and he was wrong...Jon Stewart did a great bit on that, and I'm pissed off like he was about it:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-23-2012/brian-ross-blows-it He does it, as usual, excellently and humorously, but point made. Yet another reason I don't watch network news.

Oddly, I've yet to hear any retraction or apology for Drudge and Breitbart reporting that the shooter might be a registered Democrat, though.

Is that because by this point it's pretty well known that all they can do is report bullshit and lies?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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