Shootings!

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WISHIMAY

Thursday, December 3, 2015 1:34 AM (P)

It's not the media, it's not politics, it's not black or white or alien, it's not the guns, it's not games, or movies, or additives in food...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3343309/At-TWENTY-people-gunne
d-California-mass-shooting-police-search-three-suspects.html

IT'S PSYHOTIC PEOPLE.

Predominantly psychotic MEN people.

Why is this soooo hard to get?

That G-23 Paxilon Hyrochorate is lookin' better and better and betterer....

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:05 AM (P)

EDIT

'Tashfeen Malik'

Female Terrorist

Turns out one of the mass murdering terrorist killers is a woman, Wishway know for posting political threats to her fellow Americans is proven to be batshit insane retarded once again?

Yes shooting trending on twitter and reddit
possible explosive device.....

https://twitter.com/RWSurferGirl/status/672155063075209216

https://twitter.com/492_AMU/status/672148045233025024

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3v6jw5/mass_shooting_active_sho
oter_in_california_san/

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3v6iq7/authorities_respond_to_2
0_victim_shooting/

https://www.reddit.com/live/w0nn1o5hu90y

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/672147970075320323

https://twitter.com/ComplexPop/status/672145715045507072

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

IT'S PSYHOTIC PEOPLE.

Predominantly psychotic MEN people.

Don't jump to conclusions yet, the scumbag murderers might have loony political motivation, the barbaric killers might have have some wacko god or religion that inspires them to murder, they might be on drugs or a crzy ganglnd mafia hit gone wrong....you just don't know yet...there is even a small precentage of possiblity it could be a woman with some involvement, you know women have killed too? Catherine the Great? Myra Hindley? the European Countess Báthory? Delphine LaLaurie? Aileen Wuornos?...women historically have killed too and even the recent woman in Paris France who suicide bombed herself....although men are far more likely to commit violent crime it is a sad fact that women can also be equally able of doing such evils

Before saying anything as true I would say
wait for the reports from police, FBI, paramedic...wait until news interviews the victims the firefighters helping on the scene before you draw a picture

The twitter shows the buzz from newsfeeds, Cop to Dispatch Radio on Reddit website gives a feeling for what may be going on

You can read police dispatch or twitter witness...to develop a picture but I would say
We will have to wait for official statements

WISHIMAY

Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:09 AM (P)

P.S. that aside.... I have a problem... ironically with a female psychotic!

I have a neighbor(ish) and for two years I was cordial to as I walked the dog past their house. One day she decided that I was the only person around that she could "use". She calls EVERY DAY (I've stopped picking up the phone)
and leaves messages that I should call her, even though I've made it very clear I DO NOT CALL ANYONE. I don't even call family if I can avoid it. Her husband is a mean drunk and he gets drunk EVERY holiday, and last year shot out a window throwing a gun at her. She shows up at my house constantly wanting rides to go get her numerous medications. (I don't know why but she doesn't drive)

I don't want to get in an argument with her as it is very clear she is unstable, and she has proven she will not hesitate to confront my daughter over perceived slights...

Besides MOVING, do you have any suggestions?

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:20 AM (P)

reports of nearby Shopping center - shots fired

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

Besides MOVING, do you have any suggestions?

they sound too stupid to grow up, so find a way of informing them to get a divorce, people in a toxic relationship just spread their bad vibes and spread noise pollution to everyone around them...if they seperate they might have better lives

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:15 AM (P)

11 o clock shooting. active shooter situation. long rifle "shell casings" found? killers wore body armor, masks, camo army jacket? 3 people entered large facility, busy building. 14 badly wounded. massive medic aid response. suspects may have fled, may be at large, suspects spotted in black SUV. no motive at this time. wounded are being extrated. FBI local police working to find suspects, it may or it may not be terrorist incident. Reports 14 dead. do not yet have information from witnesses on whether suspects said anything during shooting. Suspects with long-gun have fled. People who done killing came prepared, dressed prepared, weapons prepared. no indication yet of global terrorism but at minimum may be a domestic terrorist type situation. men arrived on a mission. reports say masks were involved
Suspects STILL at large.
PRESS CONFERENCE taking place

in other news

Dow Jones industrial average lost 158.67 points, or 0.9 percent, to 17,729.68.
the Nasdaq composite index fell 33.08 points, or 0.6 percent, to 5,123.22.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:52 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

...although men are far more likely to commit violent crime it is a sad fact that women can also be equally able of doing such evils...

Pleeeease. If you even skimmed the reports of the shooters, armor, ak-47s- you know these are guys. And women are just as ABLE, but DON'T. Says a lot.

STOP GIVING TESTOSTERONE A PASS. And I literally mean that.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

they sound too stupid to grow up, so find a way of informing them to get a divorce,]

Neither of them has anywhere to go. And she would try to move in here, it ain't happenin...

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:11 AM (P)

Yes reports are of 3 men, three armed males on the run

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
And women are just as ABLE, but DON'T. Says a lot.

STOP GIVING TESTOSTERONE A PASS. And I literally mean that.

what are you ranting about now

women do ocassional make violent crime, I recently read of an Egyptian woman beating her sinful daughter to death with a rock because she sinned by hanging around with boys, I have read another of a Palestinian mother putting and plastic bag over her daughters head and smothering her because her dress shamed the family, another of a mother and father killing their son who wanted to leave islam....women have done violent crime, they do it less than men but they still do it
I think you need to get over yourself, get over whatever wacko feminist views you got because girls and women also do crime, although statistically its a lower percent than men

people with ovaries and estrogen are also able to do violence

Female islamic terrorists are blowing people up in France / Europe ?

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:17 AM (P)

I think they might have got one or got them

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/13038/web

http://www.flightradar24.com/N404KR/826791d

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:18 AM (P)

sh!*t i heard 'officer down'

hope its going to be ok :(

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:22 AM (P)

'Requesting medical aid'

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:22 AM (P)

suspected SUV come to a stop

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:23 AM (P)

Officer hit?

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:27 AM (P)

*heavy gun fire* sounds ?

setting up perimiter

chopper noise?

talking about a school

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:30 AM (P)

Police in foot-pursuit of a suspect

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:36 AM (P)

Pipe bomb located

shots fired again?

SWAT team needed, (radio chatter is very busy hard for me to pick it all up)

somebody running through backyards

call for ballistic shield team

need support

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:51 AM (P)

Someone in church

one subject on 2nd level of building

Cops now calling houses near were a bomb was found

somebody running across airfield with phone

camo pants and orange shirt/suit? behind church

cop hear female arabic voice

bomb squad in bomb disposal called

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:53 AM (P)

Good news! Sounds like they got him surrounded!

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:54 AM (P)

Houses being evacuated

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 5:06 AM (P)

Talk of a latino man, shaved head hispanic looking man
3rd man being persued
AR-15 gun picked up
no further explosive devices
Code 3 'lights and siren'?
'no other explosive devices located'
another suspicious subject detained
other locations being looked at?

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 5:08 AM (P)

Officer injury not life threatening

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 5:10 AM (P)

One Subject detained

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 5:15 AM (P)

NBC tweet One officer injured, non-life-threatening, during police shootout with suspect
Trump twitter - 'Police and law enforcement seem to have killed one of the California shooters and are in a shootout with the others. Go police'
ABC news Two suspects being "dealt with"
Fox says Suspect may be barricaded in church
LA County Sheriff's retweets SB county
Suspicious vehicle reported to dispatch
seaScanner911 says 4 officers injured. 8 people transported to hospital
Marc Brown 'Possible additional suspect still inside the black SUV'
Michelle Tuzee twitter 'Bullet riddled dark SUV'
Suspicious two long beards drove by location twice
Call for public to avoid the area Gunfire exchanged w/suspects during follow up invest
patrol reports, dealing with active shooter in area
locking perimeter down

Residents told stay indoors
Other residents being evacuated

helicopter view

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 5:34 AM (P)

Snapchat has audio of gun battle in San Bernardino

SB county 'We are asking that all people in the SB area south of San Bernardino Ave east of Mt. View stay in their homes w/doors locked & secure'

Scanner is quiet now Dispatch reports: Radio difficulties.

u can decode cop radio messages here
http://www.radiolabs.com/police-codes.html

WISHIMAY

Thursday, December 3, 2015 5:35 AM (P)

Did you just confuse us with Twitter?

#ummmno?

WISHIMAY

Thursday, December 3, 2015 5:38 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

people with ovaries and estrogen are also able to do violence ....although statistically its a lower percent than men

See, I don't even have to make my own point.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, December 3, 2015 5:44 AM (P)

In 2013 there were 102,400 adult females in local jails in the United States, and 111,300 adult females in state and federal prisons

In 2013 there were 628,900 adult males in local jails in the United States, and 1,463,500 adult males in state and federal prisons

1 to 6
1 to 14

Testosterone IS the problem.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 6:10 AM (P)

News media reports its a 'dispute' and not an act of global terrorism
news reporter says not terrorism but a gun event after 'argument at a party'
Buildings being shutdown, Offices at SB Airport are also closed, suspicious person near airport,
another report of suspect running near airport
EMTs need right away
someone hit by vehicle
yard to yard search
Drone in the air?
bomb threat at Med Center
Fox17 comments on Scanner Report suspect Farooq Saiid or Farouk Sayed
http://www.weaselzippers.us/243182-despite-no-previous-threats-against
-san-bernadino-homeland-security-sure-scrambled-this-plane-pretty-quickly-huh/

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

1 to 6
1 to 14

Would you also like to break this down by Race Ethnicity, what if you discover Negroid Black Females are doing Violent crimes more often than White Males or Yellow Mongoild Oriental Men....would you change the subject?

two suspects dead? one is male, one female
explosion in a rear alley, child screaming, fire in D Avenue

20 victims reported, according to Fire Department
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=807_1449091802

chopper pilot says one of the dead suspects may be a female, unconfirmed report, but he says he saw the suspect wearing a red bra.

air view of car

https:// i.imgur.com/ e7FUVft.png

IED found?
Police being pulled back
FBI will be taking over

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

In 2013 there were 628,900 adult males in local jails in the United States, and 1,463,500 adult males in state and federal prisons

Do you want to really look at data. How willing is your brain to explore some facts?

How does it break down by culture and race? Do Mexican women, Black women, islamic women do more crime than White or Yellow men from the Orient...you have freedom of speech correct but is this subject to taboo

How about Sporty Tranny 'Women' those who steroid munch try to look like Sir-He-naaa da Penis Gorilliams She-Hulk person...are they more Testosterone than White Men or Yellow Man? I know you have a things for transexual rights lately.

Are Black Females doing more murder and assault and theft and vandalism than White Men?...but if you seen these stats

Would you make excuses for the Black Female Criminal and twist your brain and find a way to blame 'White Men'?

AURAPTOR

Thursday, December 3, 2015 6:34 AM (P)

~~Farooq Saeed.~~

Name of one of the suspected shooters.

Make of that what you will.

* that name is now being said to have " washed out ", and isn't being sought as being connected , though terrorism is NOT being ruled out.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 8:21 AM (P)

Yes I've seen and heard Farooq Saeed in San Bernardino with Suspect Muslim Female....I hear it on scanner, seen the name on twitter

Then I seen the media try say he wasn't a muslim

later he was a muslim once again

then it wasn't Saeed.....

....finally I see articles on this Saeed guy

...not sure what to make of the media frenzy

NEWS:
Police used a robot to search for possible explosive devices, and the police scanner noted of a possible IED....

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/they-just-sta
rted-shooting-survivor-recounts-attack-n473181

Quote:
Two possible suspects, a man and a woman, were shot and killed in an exchange of gunfire with police hours after the after officers chased a vehicle that resembled one sought after the shooting, San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan told reporters.

A police officer was also hurt, but the injury was not life threatening, she said.

The shooting erupted during a holiday party in a conference room. Fourteen people were killed.
At least 10 of the 17 wounded are in critical condition.
Authorities identified a possible suspect as Syed Farook and another as possibly his brother.
Police shot two suspects after a high-speed chase in a shootout hours later.
The suspects — a man and a woman — were killed.
A third person seen fleeing from the scene of the shootout is in custody.
A police officer was wounded in the shootout.

FBI say shooting in California 'may or may not have been a terrorist attack'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12030160/Ca
lifornia-shooting-Multiple-victims-reported-in-San-Bernardino-live.html

Two law enforcement sources identified one of the suspects in the San Bernardino shooting as Syed Farook.

According to public records, a Syed R. Farook worked as an environmental health specialist for San Bernardino County. It's unclear whether that is the same person connected to the attack. The shooting occurred at an event for the county's public health department.

Two other federal law enforcement sources, while not revealing the name of the suspect they were referring to, said he was an American citizen.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-li
ve-updates-htmlstory.html

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 8:38 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

* that name is now being said to have " washed out ", and isn't being sought as being connected , though terrorism is NOT being ruled out.

they forgot how to do their news, quick fax them those charts

Fox's Rod Wheeler was on, he's waiting for reports of someone of the killers saying the words 'Alley Ackbor' or crying out the words Admiral Akbar before he can call it - if those words were not said then its work place violece
if those words got said then its terrorism....media is a joke now, they are unable to think for themselves

AURAPTOR

Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:11 AM (P)

They got the name backwards.

Saeed Farooq is now the name which HAS been released.

2 are dead, and apparently there's no 3rd individual.

Good grief.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

WISHIMAY

Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:53 AM (P)

This is the most bungled media whitewashing I have ever seen...

Right now it could've been Mr. Snuffleupagus and Mrs. White in the Vestibule with the semi-automatic Candelabra...
But we know there was a semi-automatic SOMETHING.
THAT'S the important part

1KIKI

Thursday, December 3, 2015 11:17 AM (P)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/how-often-do-mass-shootings-occur
-on-average-every-day-records-show.html?hpw&rref=us&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

How Often Do Mass Shootings Occur? On Average, Every Day, Records Show

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

JO753

Thursday, December 3, 2015 12:39 PM (P)

I hav the perfect way to chase her away.

Start talking to her about Nooalf. Call her about it! Nok on her door! YOU bekum the pest to be avoided.

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

AURAPTOR

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:09 PM (P)

Husband and wife death team, it seems. They wore body armor and go-pro cams.

Yep. Just your typical work place violence. Nothing to see here.

RAHLMACLAREN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:45 PM (P)

How much do we know about the explosives that were found?

Is there any robotic means to remotely dissect the bombs, so things can be more thoroughly investigated? A possible missed opportunity.

How many reliable witnesses counted three suspects?

*Also, I want to know EXACTLY what the argument at the party was about.

It is scary how this shit was going down during my first viewing of Fahrenheit 9/11.

*ETA

Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 3, 2015 7:40 PM (P)

Media drops ball

PBS NewsHour has a half hour of CAIR,.....big murder spree, IEDs, mass shooting, police gun battles and PBS runs straight to CAIR to ask why!? is it islamophobia!? why?
some in-law is speaking and you see the CAIR banners “I have no idea ... Why would he do something like this.”
CAIR recap: (rational wiki CAIR, is, depending on who you ask, either a human rights and civil liberties organization founded to protect the rights of Islamics or a Muslim Islamist lobby group with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and terror group Hamas. It should be noted that it's perfectly possible for both to be true. CAIR has been listed as a terrorist organization by the UAE, mainly due to an ongoing pissing match between the UAE and the Muslim Brotherhood, whom the UAE feels is giving CAIR their marching orders. )

Here we go, people come to their own conclusions

Quote:

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1602506&page=28
Gonna be a workplace gun violence incident.... regardless of how many times a day they prayed first, or how long the radical islamists were planning it, or how many IEDs they found, or whether they were from Qatar or not.
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Lavender_Room_F
4/Mass_shooting_in_San_Bernardino%2C_12_dead_P5787531-7
According to one report there were two brothers. Both same initials, but different middle name starting with R. At press announcement for brother-in-law, a picture was shown of one brother, and they responded, no, that is the older brother. One was tax guy and other environmental inspector. Some stories conflate the two brothers.
http://heavy.com/news/2015/12/syed-sayeed-farouk-farook-inland-regiona
l-center-san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-gunman-name-identified-redlands-age-motive-photos-social-media-family-facebook-video-chase-shot-killed-dead/
Burguan said the suspects, wearing “assault-style” tactical clothing and armed with assault rifles and handguns, died at the scene. A suspicious device, possibly an explosive, was found near the car, according to police. A possible explosive device was also found inside the Inland Regional Center, police said.

Police said the suspects fired at officers from the vehicle, and the officers returned fire. The SUV was riddled with bullets, and both of the suspects were killed.

A police officer was also wounded during the shootout, but is expected to survive.
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/off-topic-humor-discussion/226201-
another-mass-shooting-now-san-bernardino-20-down-29.html
This morning is the first that I'm really hearing about and looking into the whole events that unfolded yesterday, and here's what I've put together on my own: An American born devout Suuni muslim goes to Saudi Arabia for a month earlier this year and comes back with a wife he didn't previously mention, and together they shoot up his office Christmas party with ARs, pistols, IEDs, and extra mags (and possibly armored) chest rigs, before shooting it out with the cops after a brief chase. This isn't speculation as it's all been confirmed by multiple sources.

I've had to put that together on my own because no MSM outlets will come out and say it like it is. Why strain at the neck to tap-dance around the issue this much? Are we really not going to address and continue to ignore the HUGE, GINORMOUS elephant in the room??
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?481088-Mass-shooting-
in-progress-San-Bernardino/page2
national gun control is the only answer.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/san-bernardino-ca/TRB1R1GSKPF4PEO9U
PS.....The media is trying to play it down, but it is clear that Farook was extremely religious.
http://www.xdtalk.com/threads/shooting-in-san-bernardino.282351/page-2
1
Syed Farook's wife's name: Tashfeen Malik.
Half a dozen middle-eastern men going in and out of the condo in recent weeks, but neighbor didn't report out of fear of being called racist.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141277682
Apparently he met his wife/gf o

WISHIMAY

Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:55 PM (P)

*Key Sentence*

"He then went home and grabbed his body armor, accomplice, pipe bombs, assault rifles and went on a shooting spree."

Only a terrorist or devout redneck "patriot" would just happen to have that laying around...

Every article is going out of the way to say "workplace violence"

And I'm glad to know we're on the same page about something, G.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, December 4, 2015 3:55 AM (P)

News media clowns is this the begining of the end for US media? Is it better to go to the Onion, softcore site NakedNews, Colbert Report and MIBs Weekly World News for more accurate reports??
KTTV says gun control and said cops searching for 3 angry white males dressed in military gear…”
NBC reported 3 whites attacking near by the Planned Parenthood facility and 'gun control'
News from Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, regressive left political leaders = gun control, change gun laws, gun banning
Mark Knoller white males - gun control
Hillary Clinton tweeted “stop gun violence now.” or some sh!t
LA Times and the drugged out journalistic Socal nuts of California even now is still blabbing about evil conservatives, anti-immigration racism, islamophobia and the reality of work place violence
Sam Stein Huffington Post or Forbes? 'Planned Parenthood is 1.3 miles from shooting'
Geraldo - WTF!! The 2d Amendment is Stupid!!! Don't rationalize.
HuffPo writes a goof on religious people
When Salon hears a muslim name tweeted in active shooting “I guess you got what you say you wanted” RIGHTWINGERS
Bloomberg Business - San Bernardino Planned Parenthood(...seriously you can't make this sh1t up)
DNC chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) blasts Republicans for “demonizing an entire religion.” She also renewed her push for Syrian refugees to be admitted to the country, arguing that Syrian migrants today are like Jews
Steve Miller - MSNBC The planned parenthood clinic is only a few blocks away"
Celebrity Hollyweird elites, seth green, rashida jones, debra messing, amy schumer, christina applegate....gun control, evil white men, gun control, ban guns, gun control, gun bannings, gun control
CAIR National hears a muslim might be involved writes WATCH OUT FOR ISLAMOPHOBIA (this is while the islamist IEDs, gun battles, pipebombs, while mass murders continued)
CNN’s Cooper reporting on gun control, work place violence, gun banning, racism against muslims.... what a f*cking Saudi loving idiot Cooper is, does he take it up the ass from Saudi for extra money?
Majority of US mainstream news media “workplace violence”?

Real news

http://canadafreepress.com/article/77229
[ there was also an anti-Obama rant in the article so i cut to the facts ]

Quote:

“Patrick Baccari, a co-worker of Farook who suffered minor wounds from shrapnel slicing through the building’s bathroom walls, told the Associated Press he been sitting at the same table as Farook at the banquet before his colleague suddenly disappeared, leaving his coat on his chair.

“Baccari also said that Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia for about a month this past spring. When Farook came back, word spread that he had gotten married and the woman he described as a pharmacist joined him shortly afterward. The couple had a baby later this year. Baccari added that the reserved Farook showed no signs of unusual behavior, although he grew out his beard several months ago.

....

“FBI spokesman David Bowdich acknowledged that “adjustments” had been made in the investigation with an eye on the possibility terrorism was involved.

“In addition to the explosives found at the SUV, authorities discovered and detonated three pipe bombs late Wednesday at the Inland Regional Center, the complex where the initial shooting took place about 60 miles east of Los Angeles.

“Another source described a house in Redlands that was being searched in connection with the shooting as “an IED facility.” The source said investigators discovered multiple pipe bombs in the house, as well as small explosives that were strapped to remote-controlled cars.

....

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/02/san-bernadino-mass-
shooting/

Quote:
There appear to be two suspects, both Muslim, a husband-and-wife team named Syed Rezwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27. Large portions of the city remain locked down.

The F.B.I. is

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, December 4, 2015 5:35 AM (P)

IED-making tools, Boston Bomber-style explosives and 4,500 bullets: The arsenal inside the home of the San Bernardino terror couple that could have cost as little as $4,000

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345021/Twelve-pipe-bombs-4-50
0-bullets-tools-making-explosives-police-home-San-Bernardino-suspects-design-bomb-used-Boston-bombers.html

The radicalized Muslim and his Pakistani wife who killed 14 people in San Bernardino used the same designs as the Boston Bombers to put together 12 pipe bombs, reports suggest.

Police raided the home of US-born Syed Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, and found a chilling cache of 4,500 bullets they didn't use for the attack, and tools used to make explosives such as IEDS.

The armory they developed, which included the 1,600 bullets and four weapons they took to the scene of the shootout with police, could have cost them as little as $4,000.

The pair seemed to be using blueprints found in many issues of Inspire, Al Qaeda's extremist online publication in the Arabian Peninsula.

The magazine in the past has outlined how to make the bomb from household goods and without using metal components. Articles have also encouraged lone-wolf attacks on the American 'super-rich' and published a 'kill list' of potential targets.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, December 4, 2015 6:46 AM (P)

San Bernardino shooting: Syed Farook 'used social media to contact extremists watched by the FBI'

The FBI was last night treating America's latest massive shooting as a possible Islamist terror attack after investigators found a deadly arsenal at the home of the couple who killed 14 people and injured 21 others at a disabled people's centre.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12030160/Ca
lifornia-shooting-Multiple-victims-reported-in-San-Bernardino-live.html

Farook, born in the US to a Pakistani family had worked at the centre for five years as a local authority environmental health inspector before turning on his colleagues in lethal fashion

The act was said to be out of character by survivors, who described Farook as a quiet man who appeared to be "living the American dream", according to the Los Angeles Times.

He was said to have travelled to Saudi Arabia in 2014 and returned with a new wife, Malik, whom he had met online. Malik is a citizen of Pakistan who was in America on a K-1 visa, according to the FBI.

Tashfeen Malik, the Pakistani-American woman killed in the San Bernardino shooting, was able to enter the U.S. through a visa program for foreigners engaged to American citizens, according to federal government sources.

Chris Christie, the Republican presidential candidate, said:

Quote I am convinced that was a terrorist attack.

1KIKI

Friday, December 4, 2015 8:54 AM (P)

We'll probably find out more later, but ...

You don't know San Bernardino like I know San Bernardino, I suspect. When I first moved to California, one of my co-workers who lived there told me people called it San Ber'draino'. There's a lot of poverty and extreme people off in that direction - bikers, gangs, 'desert rats', drugs, prostitution.

It's possible the man got disillusioned with the people around him and tried to find a more holy way to live, which led to him becoming more extreme. I can imagine him becoming profoundly alienated from the society he was living in.

One of the people who was killed, Thalasinos, was apparently quite a vocal Zionist. Or maybe Farook was working with some adamant Christians who made the workplace into alien, unwelcoming territory. Or both, or something else. He seems to have become isolated from his co-workers, exchanging pleasantries, but little else.

Certainly there are people who prey on those like Farook, who would use him as another pawn, fanning discontent and promising an answer.

This was a Christmas ('holiday') party. He left angry, and came back with his wife, guns and a plan they put into action. There was something about work, about his interactions with people there, and I suspect about religion that coalesced into this violence. I don't think it was primarily driven by radical Islam, or political. I think he's a man who just snapped.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Friday, December 4, 2015 9:24 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
..driven by radical Islam, or political. I think he's a man who just snapped.

Ummm. No. Neighbors said they've been getting hella lot of odd packages and acting weird. No one leaves a party and just happens to find $4000 worth of guns ammo and complicated rigged explosives in TWO HOURS.

No matter the reason, this was planned out for a WHILE. And whether they were part of a cell or not, they knew what they were about to do and what it would look like. If it looks like jihad and walks like jihad and yells "ahlalalalalala"...... it MUST BE JIHAD.

1KIKI

Friday, December 4, 2015 9:31 AM (P)

"No matter the reason, this was planned out for a WHILE. If it looks like jihad ..."

But it doesn't. Not to me. Jihad targets maximum causalities of strangers, targets of maximum effect. It's strategic. This targeted a small, isolated gathering of people - co-workers, people he knew. He could have found much more damaging targets, like Ontario National Airport. Or the Inland Center, a large mall area. Hey, it's shopping season - right?

It wouldn't be the first time a mentally unbalanced person associated with, and found a rationale through, an extremist position. For example Jared Lee Loughner ('Gabby' Giffords' shooter).

ETA: It's always possible we'll find that his strain of violence had deep and enduring contacts with radical Islam. At this point, with the information available, to me he looks more like a pawn and less like a player.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Friday, December 4, 2015 11:07 AM (P)

Also, fwiw no armor or body cams. They did wear 'tactical gear' which allowed them to carry ammo.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/03/458277103/san-bernar
dino-shootings-what-we-know-one-day-after

Both were dressed in "tactical gear" (including load-bearing vests, but not ballistic or bulletproof vests) and carrying .223-caliber assault-style rifles and semiautomatic handguns, police say..

Man, you guys will believe anything if it fits some fantasy you already heave in your head.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, December 5, 2015 12:07 AM (P)

You seem to be trifling on what they were WEARING. No one here cares...

Hello, PIPE BOMBS=PLANNING.

This just might have been an opportune moment, but they meant to do what they did and where they did it to MAKE IT PERSONAL. They even took the kid to relatives and burned hard drives. They were going to do something at some point no matter what.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, December 5, 2015 4:16 AM (P)

You never do know a man until you hold him over a volcano do you?

My family know next to nothing about me. They don't want to know either, they all have this idea of "who I am" they hold on to, no matter what...

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, December 5, 2015 4:44 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
This is the most bungled media whitewashing I have ever seen...

MSNBC LSD CNN Media Going Through Syed Farook's Personal Stuff

1KIKI

Saturday, December 5, 2015 9:04 AM (P)

"Hello, PIPE BOMBS=PLANNING."

Did I say ANYWHERE that it was spontaneous? Or are you being deliberately stupid?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

JO753

Saturday, December 5, 2015 10:05 AM (P)

Now now! Lets keep it civil....

you blithering imbisilz.

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

WISHIMAY

Saturday, December 5, 2015 10:27 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Did I say ANYWHERE that it was spontaneous?

NO, but you keep saying that this was just "workplace violence, Muslim style" and that's not what it was.

Workplace violence is when people snap and do dumb shit, these people PLANNED to do dumb shit, for a long time, hence... TERRORISTS. As in their trade, their specialty... is TERRORISM, complete with agenda, and they certainly qualify. This was deliberate. Someone out there said "let's make Americans question the "friendlies" that live right around the corner."
Let's get... personal...

On another note... Trump is double sure to win now. Welcome to a brand new witchhunt, folks.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, December 5, 2015 11:00 AM (P)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346500/Pictured-handcuffed-bo
dy-San-Bernardino-terrorist-Pakistani-wife-pledged-allegiance-ISIS-Facebook-slaughter-14.html

See? His family keep trying to say "she turned the nice man." That's crap. Muslim men wouldn't allow themselves to be that manipulated by a woman, and it's looking like HE sought HER out for this purpose. This was directed. The guy has ALL the power in a Muslim relationship...

1KIKI

Saturday, December 5, 2015 11:06 AM (P)

You seem to be trifling on what they were WEARING. No one here cares...

No, YOU seem unable to read all the OTHER stuff I posted that had NOTHING to do with what they were wearing. And no, I didn't say it was ALL about workplace violence. I underlined the major points I made.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/how-often-do-mass-shootings-occur
-on-average-every-day-records-show.html?hpw&rref=us&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

How Often Do Mass Shootings Occur? On Average, Every Day, Records Show

We'll probably find out more later, but ...

You don't know San Bernardino like I know San Bernardino, I suspect. When I first moved to California, one of my co-workers who lived there told me people called it San Ber'draino'. There's a lot of poverty and extreme people off in that direction - bikers, gangs, 'desert rats', drugs, prostitution.

It's possible the man got disillusioned with the people around him and tried to find a more holy way to live, which led to him becoming more extreme. I can imagine him becoming profoundly alienated from the society he was living in.

One of the people who was killed, Thalasinos, was apparently quite a vocal Zionist. Or maybe Farook was working with some adamant Christians who made the workplace into alien, unwelcoming territory. Or both, or something else. He seems to have become isolated from his co-workers, exchanging pleasantries, but little else.

Certainly there are people who prey on those like Farook, who would use him as another pawn, fanning discontent and promising an answer.

This was a Christmas ('holiday') party. He left angry, and came back with his wife, guns and a plan they put into action. There was something about work, about his interactions with people there, and I suspect about religion that coalesced into this violence. I don't think it was primarily driven by radical Islam, or political. I think he's a man who just snapped.

"No matter the reason, this was planned out for a WHILE. If it looks like jihad ..."

But it doesn't. Not to me. Jihad targets maximum causalities of strangers, targets of maximum effect. It's strategic. This targeted a small, isolated gathering of people - co-workers, people he knew. He could have found much more damaging targets, like Ontario National Airport. Or the Inland Center, a large mall area. Hey, it's shopping season - right?

It wouldn't be the first time a mentally unbalanced person associated with, and found a rationale through, an extremist position. For example Jared Lee Loughner ('Gabby' Giffords' shooter).

ETA: It's always possible we'll find that his strain of violence had deep and enduring contacts with radical Islam. At this point, with the information available, to me he looks more like a pawn and less like a player.

This I think is a man who was personally and pathologically un-moored. He didn't find meaning in his family, society, co-workers or job. He seemed to be searching for meaning, trying to fill a void. I suspect one of the things that drew him to his wife was her religious certainty.

IF the world around him had been a different place ... IF he had better contact with his family ... IF his surroundings hadn't been so fractured and dysfunctional ... IF his coworkers had made better contact with him ... it's POSSIBLE he would have been supported enough, steadied enough to carry on with a normal life. But he was looking to fill a void, and, sadly, there are people who are happy enough to exploit that. It's not black and white like you seem to think.

That was my point.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect.

1KIKI

Sunday, December 6, 2015 4:20 AM (P)

Too many logic fails to try and address them all - so here's the very last one

"I'm not so sure SHE did any converting, I'll lay money that he sought out a women that would fit in with him, because HE is the one that signed up on the dating site."

And, she didn't? Then how did they meet there?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Sunday, December 6, 2015 4:56 AM (P)

And just so you don't feel picked-on Wish, here's a howler that rappy posted:

"The body armor was reported by the media ..."

And you believe EVERYTHING you read? Actually, I guarantee you don't. Here's things 'in the media' I guarantee you won't believe:

http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/12/04/psychological-impact-
of-san-bernardino-shooting/76809858/
"What we know about terrorist organizations is that they are really good at finding vulnerable people to then exploit and radicalize. They do it by developing a sense of community, that they're great with social media, they can connect with people all over the world very easily and make it sound appealing."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-mass-shoot
ing-profile/
A law enforcement official said it appeared ISIS may have inspired the attack, but none of the officials said the terror group directed or ordered the attack.
"This is looking more and more like self-radicalization," one law enforcement official said.

So - you only believe what you read - AS LONG AS IT FITS YOUR FANTASIES. That whole "body armor and go-pro cams" thing ... yeah, that fits your fantasies.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:19 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

And, she didn't? Then how did they meet there?

HE went over there and went looking (ONLINE!!!), if he just wanted a girl, I'm sure he coulda found a Muslim gal here, but maybe not a Jihadist...

WISHIMAY

Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:23 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

"This is looking more and more like self-radicalization," one law enforcement official said.

So - you only believe what you read - AS LONG AS IT FITS YOUR FANTASIES. That whole "body armor and go-pro cams" thing ... yeah, that fits your fantasies.

I'm sure at first glance it seems isolated, but when you look closer you see they sought out the radicals.

Also, WHO was fantasizing??? We heard the same rumors everyone else heard, no one was having any FANTASIES...

AURAPTOR

Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:23 AM (P)

kooki, you're doing it again. I clearly explained WHY the 'body armor' info was " bought ". It was what panicked eye witnesses, untrained in the gear, THOUGHT they saw.

Good grief psycho queen, you really are a full blown nutter.

A REPORTER who only knows what they're told, at the time they interview a scared survivor, rushes what they have to their news outlet, and sends the story off to be picked up. After MANY HOURS, when the jihad couple are found, die in a shoot out, and cops have searched their vehicle for explosives, and THEN checked their bodies, it becomes evident that ammo vests are NOT kevlar gear, and so the correction can be reported.

Seriously, of what value , and to whom , would " making up" a crazy story about armored vests benefit ANYONE ???

NO ONE ! That's who !

1KIKI

Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:28 AM (P)

Wish

So, apparently you don't just skip past lots and lots and LOTS of words when I post, you skip past words in news items too:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-syed-farook-had-traveled-t
o-saudi-arabia-married-appeared-to-live-american-dream-co-workers-say-20151202-story.html
... a new wife he had met online.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12030481/Sy
ed-Farook-what-we-know-about-the-San-Bernardino-gunman.html
Farook, born in Illinois, had met his wife online and in 2013 ...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-mass-shoot
ing-profile/
He got to know Malik through an online dating service ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting-syed-rizw
an-farook.html
Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik met online ...

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:37 AM (P)

"kooki, you're doing it again. I clearly explained WHY the 'body armor' info was " bought ". It was what panicked eye witnesses, untrained in the gear, THOUGHT they saw."

And, little rapey, because it fit your fantasies OF COURSE YOU BELIEVED IT! Without hesitation, without reservation, without consideration, without waiting for more detailed accounts or evidence to come in. Not a single thought passed in your brain between reading and believing.

But the things I posted? You're not even going to consider them. And why not? Because they don't conform to your fantasies.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, December 6, 2015 8:20 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"kooki, you're doing it again. I clearly explained WHY the 'body armor' info was " bought ". It was what panicked eye witnesses, untrained in the gear, THOUGHT they saw."

And, little rapey, because it fit your fantasies OF COURSE YOU BELIEVED IT! Without hesitation, without reservation, without consideration, without waiting for more detailed accounts or evidence to come in. Not a single thought passed in your brain between reading and believing.

But the things I posted? You're not even going to consider them. And why not? Because they don't conform to your fantasies.

What fantasy ? How does a bullet proof vest in any way fulfill this made up 'fantasy' ??? She was a radical Muslim. That's a fact. It wasn't " stress " that made this guy and his wife murder innocent Americans, as you wanted to believe.

Attack in San Bernadino. Yep , bought that one.
12, and then 14 people shot to death. Yep. Sold me on that.
21 people wounded. Yep, believed that too.

Wanna know what I didn't believe ?

It was work place violence.
It was postpartum depression by the wifey, which apparently was so bad, it affected the husband as well !
It was likely some right wing militia group, waging war on a govt facility.
It was an attack some how related to Planned Parenthood, which was apparently located 1.5 miles away.

Nope. Didn't buy ANY of those lines, even though the MSM ( manily CNN and msnbc ) put those over the airwaves as " news ".

kooki - you're nuts. You're a mental waste case, so of course I don't buy into your inane ramblings.
Few here do.

Quote:
kookie said: I don't think it was primarily driven by radical Islam, or political. I think he's a man who just snapped.

1KIKI

Sunday, December 6, 2015 9:11 AM (P)

What you believe ... you skipped this one: "They wore body armor and go-pro cams."

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Sunday, December 6, 2015 9:20 AM (P)

I see you made a very common mistake. You think when someone shoots their coworkers is when they 'snap'. But that happens long before the final act. Before they pull the trigger, before they walk in, before they get their guns out of the car, before they drive there, before they put their guns in the car, before they load them ... they're already on a course of action. They snap when they choose that course.

And btw, thanks for being the usual lying asshole you always are, little rapey. Because NO ONE said it was JUST workplace violence.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:08 AM (P)

Something is wrong with her... She's going around in circles and I don't think she knows it...

Little too much ???

1KIKI

Sunday, December 6, 2015 10:25 AM (P)

Personal snark and not a hint of topic?

OK.

I can see trying to have a fact-based discussion with you is going to be pointless. When you get back to the topic I might be around. Till then -

Bye.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, December 6, 2015 6:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

And btw, thanks for being the usual lying asshole you always are, little rapey. Because NO ONE said it was JUST workplace violence.

How am I 'lying' ?

You're truly working with a dented brain.

They said, early on in the coverage, that it was work place violence.

Yes, they did. They said that because it was being offered, almost exclusively, more than wanting to utter Farooq's name ( remember, they walked that one back, after reporting that it didn't " wash out ", because it didn't match with any watch lists. I heard the name reported first as Sayeed Farooq, which is getting his first and last name reversed, but regardless, they didn't want to release the name for OBVIOUS reasons )

I know, too much for you to follow.

Point is, multiple times it was reported as possibly being work place violence.

Deal w/ it.

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:48 PM (P)

IN THIS THREAD, ya moroon!

My post, specifically ... I said it was BOTH workplace violence AND terrorism.

Politically/ religiously-motivated terrorists tend to attack symbolic targets .... government buildings (like Timothy McVeigh) or Planned Parenthood clinics (like Robert Dear). Once you weed out the truly crazy, who really can't tell the difference between the voices in their heads and reality, you wind up with unstable people who think it's OK to use violence to push their "ism". In this case, while the shooters felt entirely estranged from their society, the one point of contact that they had with "everyone else" was the husband's workplace, and that seemed to have pushed him over the edge more than helped. So he focused on the people he worked with. It's both.

I don't think that motivations can always be assigned that are so clear-cut anyway. MOST people act from mixed motivations, and I think its something of a fantasy that you can parse a person's motivations into one emotion. "Isms" which represent a small minority and which promote violence have a tendency to attract the deviants/misfits/unstable people who are prone to violence. (The reason why I qualify that so heavily is that entire cultures have promoted either all-against-all random internal violence, or specific violence against a targeted group. In that case, you don't need to be a deviant to be violent and most people will think of you as a "good guy" even if you participate in or tacitly approve of violence every single day. That's because it's socially acceptable.)

The only reason to even think about "why" someone did something bad is to try to figure out how to prevent it. Crazy people tend to be obvious on a day-to-day basis. Organized GROUPS (gangs, drug cartels etc) also tend to be obvious. But what about violence-prone, disaffected individuals?

IMHO there's NO surveillance deep enough to ferret out these loose cannons. It's much easier to detect groups of a dozen people or more, because there is more coordination/communication going on. Detecting one, two, or three people ... people who don't come off as "crazy" ... would require deep and extensive surveillance of everyone, you'd almost have to profile everyone on the internet and EVEN THEN you probably wouldn't find those particular needles in the very large haystack (of needles) that you just created for yourself. If Obama is going to use this particular attack as an excuse for yet more surveillance, I think people really should stop being panicked and put their collective foot down.

As far as gun control is concerned, our gun control laws would have to be a lot more like Germany's in order to be effective.

--------------
You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Monday, December 7, 2015 2:58 AM (P)

Wish, Rap, Jane

How about we have an agreement?

Wish, you are deeply, deeply vested in the notion that the innocent wife was in thrall to that violent, fanatical brute of a husband.

Rap, what can I say? You have a whole list of beliefs, which you state a things you DON'T accept (beliefs, which, by definition, are ideas you hold to be true despite the lack of supporting facts, or despite existing facts to the contrary.)

And Jane, we already know you think all Muslims are a problem.

So how about we all - me too - agree to shift our ideas to conform to the facts* of this incident, and to which we apply a degree of logic? (* facts are claims for which there exists conclusive evidence) It shouldn't be too much of a stretch to agree to accept all available facts. And it shouldn't be too onerous to change thoughts to align with reality. Both things seem extremely healthy to me. Let's leave the name-calling and snark behind, and tone down the biases, the angst and the rhetoric, and have a reasoned discussion about facts.

How about it?

Wanna know what I didn't believe ?
It was work place violence.
It was postpartum depression by the wifey, which apparently was so bad, it affected the husband as well !
It was likely some right wing militia group, waging war on a govt facility.
It was an attack some how related to Planned Parenthood, which was apparently located 1.5 miles away.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:25 AM (P)

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, December 8, 2015 9:18 AM (P)

Quote:
Rap, what can I say? You have a whole list of beliefs, which you state a things you DON'T accept (beliefs, which, by definition, are ideas you hold to be true despite the lack of supporting facts, or despite existing facts to the contrary.)

You're confusing belief w/ faith. Yes, I BELIEVED the news accounts as they were reported to the nation and world, until such a time when there was a reason given to NO LONGER believe. As more facts came in, a clearer picture of what took place did and continues to develop. And is sometimes the case, it's worse than we thought.

A lot worse.

Trust me when I tell you, I have zero faith.

1KIKI

Tuesday, December 8, 2015 9:57 AM (P)

Looking over the NYTimes, LATimes, BBC, CNN and Reuters, I have to say the reporting is pretty scrambled.

Farook used to go target shooting. And he, or he and his wife (stories vary) went within days of the attack. (For context, a lot of people here in SoCal - and many of the people I work with - like to go target shooting. It's surprisingly common here compared to other places I've lived.)
Marquez who was Farook's friend bought two semi-automatic 'weapons' three years ago but gave them to Farook at some unspecified time.
And Malik attended a religious school but dropped out to get married.
Currently the FBI says they have no indication the attack was ordered by, coordinated with, or involved foreign jihadis; the FBI seems to be leaning toward the idea the two were 'self-radicalized'.

I'm not finding any timeline for the 'quite some time' part of this statement, as most of what's in the news goes back 2 or 3 years at most. "We have learned and believe that both subjects were radicalized and had been for quite some time." For me, 'quite some time' would go back many years, not just a couple.

Rap, does that track with your information?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, December 9, 2015 4:48 AM (P)

http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/san-bernardino-jihadis-family-facebook
-photos-and-troubling-facts.html/

https://twitter.com/WalidShoebat/status/674339710144135168

http://www.outloudamerica.com/the-face-of-jihad/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/12/father-of-san-bernardino-shooting-su
spect-says-hes-very-religious-muslim

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/05/08/saudi-columnist-calls-
jihad-in-syria-jihad-for-satan-and-calls-for-a-ban-on-muslims-killing-muslims-but-no-mention-of-non-muslims/

Fmr. FBI Counterterrorism Agent: We’ve Received ‘Nearly Zero Help’ from U.S. Muslim Community Since 9/11

Guandolo said he doesn’t necessarily agree with the idea that “we have to work with the Muslim community in order to solve this problem here in the United States,” but “if you are going to work with the Muslim community, the U.S. government” should not be “exclusively working with Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood entities without exception” like it is doing now. Guandolo named the Muslim Public Affairs Council, the Islamic Society of North America, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), and the Muslim American Society.

“Those are who they’re working with and others that are Muslim Brotherhood or ideologically directly aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood,” he added, pointing out that Attorney General Loretta Lynch spoke at the Muslim Advocates—another such organization—last Thursday.

Guandolo said Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson is speaking about Muslim civil rights on Monday evening at The Adams Center in Sterling, Virginia, which is associated with the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). He said evidence presented at the Holy Land terrorism-funding trial revealed that ISNA is “the nucleus of the Muslim Brotherhood here” and “directly funds Hamas leaders and organizations overseas.” He also pointed out that the Holy Land Foundation, the largest Islamic charity in America, was a “Hamas organization at the time it was indicted and Hamas is an inherent part of the Muslim Brotherhood.”

He said it will be nearly impossible to so successfully combat terrorists “so long as the U.S. government… emboldens and empowers Muslim Brotherhood organizations here.”

“If you expect FBI and others to aggressively pursue them, it’s not going to happen because our leaders — President, Secretary of State, national security adivsers, generals at the Pentagon—are are turning to their advisers who in fact are Muslim Brotherhood leaders to say what should we and what shouldn’t we do,” he said.

1KIKI

Wednesday, December 9, 2015 6:20 AM (P)

What does that quote have to do with this incident, specifically?

BTW, do you think that all Christians should be targeted because of the actions of the Christian Planned Parenthood shooter Robert Dear?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-lewis-dear-planned-parentho
od_56600928e4b08e945fee21d0
Planned Parenthood Shooting Suspect Reportedly Targeted A Clinic Before

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — The man accused of killing three people at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic left a decades-long trail of broken marriages, scant social connections and a reputation for religious zealotry that didn't match his yen for gambling and extramarital affairs.

New court documents and interviews reveal Robert Lewis Dear as an occasionally violent, fundamentalist loner who was known to nurse a grudge. He had one for at least 20 years against abortion providers, going so far as to put glue in the locks of a clinic in Charleston years earlier, a common protest technique among activists trying to shut down abortion clinics.

But still unknown is what caused Dear, 57, to escalate from petty vandalism to the fusillade he is accused of unleashing at the Colorado Springs office, where a law enforcement official said he rambled about "no more baby parts" after his arrest. Colorado Springs police have refused to disclose a motive for Dear's violence, but there's mounting evidence that Dear was deeply concerned about abortion.

If Robert Dear doesn't trigger angst against radical Christians, would it help to include other actions by that group? How about far-right militias?

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-ex
treme-christians-and-far-right-white-men

10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men

1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012. The virulent, neocon-fueled Islamophobia that has plagued post-9/11 America has not only posed a threat to Muslims, it has had deadly consequences for people of other faiths, including Sikhs. Sikhs are not Muslims; the traditional Sikh attire, including their turbans, is different from traditional Sunni, Shiite or Sufi attire. But to a racist, a bearded Sikh looks like a Muslim. ... On Aug. 5, 2012, white supremacist Wade Michael Page used a semiautomatic weapon to murder six people during an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.

2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009. Imagine that a physician had been the victim of an attempted assassination by an Islamic jihadist in 1993, and received numerous death threats from al-Qaeda after that, before being murdered by an al-Qaeda member. Neocons, Fox News and the Christian Right would have had a field day. A physician was the victim of a terrorist killing that day, but neither the terrorist nor the people who inflamed the terrorist were Muslims. Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder on May 31, 2009, was a victim of Christian Right terrorism, not al-Qaeda.

Tiller had a long history of being targeted for violence by Christian Right terrorists. In 1986, his clinic was firebombed. Then, in 1993, Tiller was shot five times by female Christian Right terrorist Shelly Shannon (now serving time in a federal prison) but survived that attack. Given that Tiller had been the victim of an attempted murder and received countless death threats after that, Fox News would have done well to avoid fanning the flames of unrest. Instead, Bill O’Reilly repeatedly referred to him as “Tiller the baby killer."

4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994. To hear the Christian Right tell it, there is no such thing as Christian terrorism. Tell that to the victims of the Army of God, a loose network of radical Christianists with a long history of terrorist attacks on abortion providers. One Christian Right terrorist with ties to the Army of God was Paul Jennings Hill, who was executed by lethal injection on Sept

WISHIMAY

Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:39 AM (P)

"Comey said they were talking about jihad and martyrdom before they became engaged and started living together."

This in the news today.

They were both self-brainwashed, it WAS Jihad, and I guaran-damn-tee momma knew all about it and we need to send them people packin'.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, December 10, 2015 3:22 AM (P)

To in any way try to equivocate Jihadists , who have systematically slaughtered Muslims , Christians, and other non-believers, while enslaving 1000's of women and forcing them to marry and become sex slaves, is the height of lunacy.

In no sane part of the waking world can anyone refer to the lone Colo.Springs shooter as a " Christian " and being on par w/ those who butcher in the name of Allah, and be taken seriously.

It's entirely nonsensical,and not worthy of further response.

1KIKI

Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:50 AM (P)

"Comey said they were talking about jihad and martyrdom before they became engaged and started living together."

It just goes to prove there's someone for everyone. And on a non-trivial level, she wasn't an innocent victim either.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:59 AM (P)

To in any way try to equivocate Jihadists ...

I'm not actually sure what you mean here, since the word 'equivocate' doesn't make sense to me in this context.

In no sane part of the waking world can anyone refer to the lone Colo.Springs shooter as a " Christian " ...

He seems to think he is.

... and being on par w/ those who butcher in the name of Allah ...

You didn't see the multiple references to the multiple Christian terrorists who killed multiple people and call themselves 'The Army of God'?

It's entirely nonsensical ...

Why? Radicals, killing people in the name of religion - it seems the same to me. I hope you can tell me specifically what's different, above and beyond the name of the religion.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Saturday, December 12, 2015 8:49 AM (P)

There seems to be no more new information, just repetition of old items. They were radicalized for 'quite some time' which seems to mean 2 or 3 years. Their friend Marquez seems to have been a half-hearted accomplice, willing to go along - up to a point - but not really interested in carrying anything out, or even being a tag-along to it.

Farook and Malik used some kind of encryption (though the more computer savvy people I know use it all the time just on general principles).

One thing that I found interesting is that the government was able to go back in time and get the text of their communications. Which means the servers aren't merely transit devices, they store and file away ALL communication that goes through them.

I hope it makes everyone feel safe - to know that Uncle Sam is keeping e-tabs on everything you e-do.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Saturday, December 12, 2015 8:49 AM (P)

There seems to be no more new information, just repetition of old items. They were radicalized for 'quite some time' which seems to mean 2 or 3 years. Their friend Marquez seems to have been a half-hearted accomplice, willing to go along - up to a point - but not really interested in carrying anything out, or even being a tag-along to it.

Farook and Malik used some kind of encryption (though the more computer savvy people I know use it all the time just on general principles).

One thing that I found interesting is that the government was able to go back in time and get the text of their communications. Which means the servers aren't merely transit devices, they store and file away ALL communication that goes through them.

I hope it makes everyone feel safe - to know that private business and Uncle Sam are in cahoots keeping e-tabs on everything you e-do.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, December 12, 2015 10:22 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

I hope it makes everyone feel safe - to know that Uncle Sam is keeping e-tabs on everything you e-do.

Hope they like that pic I sent hubbs

1KIKI

Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:34 AM (P)

And - self-censorship begins?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:40 AM (P)

This was in the news a while ago, but it took me a while to get back to it ...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/opinions/bergen-san-bernardino-terror-at
tack-explain/index.html

An influential study of the radicalization process was published by the New York Police Department in 2007. The report, "Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat" http://www.nypdshield.org/public/SiteFiles/documents/NYPD_Report-Radic
alization_in_the_West.pdf laid out a taxonomy of jihadist terrorists in the West: "unremarkable" male Muslims between the ages of 15 and 35, generally well-educated and middle class, many of whom grew up as nonobservant Muslims or were converts to Islam. Many of the plotters had no links to formal terrorist organizations.

Some kind of personal crisis (the loss of a job, the experience of racism, moral outrage caused by the way Muslims were being treated in international conflicts, or the death of a close family member) provided a "cognitive opening" for a turn to Salafism -- a fundamentalist form of Sunni Islam -- beliefs, demonstrated by wearing traditional Islamic clothing and growing beards.

This was not in itself alarming; these were simply fundamentalist practices. In the next stage of their radicalization, however, as their views became more politicized, the militants separated themselves from society, spending more and more time only with similar, radicalized individuals.

The report describes the final stage before people turn to terrorism as "jihadization": the point at which a militant decides to perform jihad. This often takes the form of travel abroad for training.

After trips he made to Saudi Arabia in 2013 and 2014, Farook seemed to become more devout, according to co-workers who noted he had grown a long beard. In Saudi Arabia, he also married Malik, who presumably shared his fundamentalist religious views to the point that she was willing to effectively commit suicide alongside him. Malik, originally of Pakistani origin, arrived in the United States on a visa as Farook's fiancee. She later became a lawful permanent resident.

Could the trip to Saudi Arabia have been Farook's "jihadization?" We don't know at this point, but his trips there seemed to have turned him in a more fundamentalist direction and it was also where he met and married his future partner-in-crime.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, December 13, 2015 10:51 PM (P)

Quote:

This in the news today.

Turn off your sh1*tty tv, its all about spin and anyways its about 2 weeks behind the times

Here's another one to get you ahead of the curve, read about mohammed's child abuse in the Koran, how muhammed had sex with animals, dead people and his pedophile actions against children.....read their books, the Quran and more and educate yourself on their 'culture'

Muhammad was a violent sexual pervert, who formed a false religion that has more follower than your Jimjones temple, a dumbass billion followers today. Muslims who practice Islam have been prepared and are held in reserve at this hour to serve as God’s servants, instruments of war from His armory, to punish a disobedient world, and in particular, rebellious stiff-necked apostate Jews.

Pervert Muhammad married eleven or thirteen women. Historians sanitize this filth by jabbering about things like “needs of the tribe,” politics, compassion and “affairs of the heart.”

When he was 25, Muhammad married his wealthy employer, a 40-year-old merchant named Khadijah. He was her gigolo; he used her wealth to dally in dreams and pretend he had been told things by God. When he was 40 he claimed to have been visited by the angel Gabriel who revealed to him a verse from the Qur’an, after which he claimed to be a prophet. He spent long hours “meditating” and “speculating” about the creation. He claimed a series of visions occurred while he was hanging out in caves and in the hills and ravines near Mecca.

After Khadijah died, Muhammad married Sawda bint Zam’a, 3rd wife Aisha and 4th wife Umm Salam. Aisha was six when she was betrothed to Muhammed; the marriage was consummated when she was nine or ten. In later years she slipped off to look for an allegedly “lost” wedding necklace, giving rise to claims she was up to mischief with some man. Not to worry; Muhammed got some verses written and out into the public mainstream bespeaking her innocence and condemning anyone who said otherwise as slanderers.

After killing her husband, during the Muslim war with Mecca, Muhammad married Fifth wife Hafsa bint Umar when she was 20 (he was 56). Similarly, after she was widowed at the battle of Badr, Muhammed married Zaynab bint Khuzayma.

When Abu Salamah died in battle, Muhammad married his widow, Umm Salama Hin bitn Abi Umayya. In 626 his eight wife Raihanah bint Zaid was among those enslaved after the defeat of the Banu Quarayza tribe, and she became Muhammad’s concubine or wife.

Later, Muhammad married his cousin, ninth wife Zaynab bint Jahsh, after a lot of conflict related to her marriage and divorce with another man. Muhammad decided in favor of this marriage to break the taboo against incestuous marriages, by informing everyone the Qur’an indicated this marriage was a duty imposed on him by God.

After he took captives from a skirmish with the Banu Mustaliq, he married one named TEN Juwayriya bint al-Harith, which led to his new kinsmen being released from enslavement. Then he signed a peace treaty with his Meccan enemies, the Quraysh, and soon thereafter married the daughter of their leader, Eleventh 'wife' Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, all for reconciling with his opponents of course.

Muhammad sent a proposal for marriage to Ramlah bint Abi-Sufyan when he learned her husband had died. Then in 629, after the Battle of Khaybar, Muhammad freed Safiyya bint Huyayy, a noblewoman of the defeated Jewish tribe Banu Nadir, and proposed marriage. She accepted, so he married her as part of reconciliation with the Jewish tribe and a gesture of goodwill.
If these women got into a cat fight about how Muhammad was treating them – in particular how much time or attention each received from him – he made up new rules that he claimed were revelations from God, to keep them in line. When he died, he left word behind that no one could marry them according

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, December 14, 2015 12:10 AM (P)

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Husband and wife death team, it seems. They wore body armor and go-pro cams.

Yep. Just your typical work place violence. Nothing to see here.

We also got the narrative blame all guns, blame all whites, blame Christmas, blame islamophobia, blame rednecks, blame all males, blame Bush, blame Europe, blame anti-immigration groups, blame everyone.....everyone except the terrorists with IEDs and guns and pipe bombs and body armor...bla bla, regressive leftism has truly brainwashed some of the masses

RIVERLOVE

Monday, December 14, 2015 12:20 AM (P)

And Santa Claus is worse because he EXCLUDES children who have been "naughty" from getting presents. He even has a list he checks TWICE!

1KIKI

Monday, December 14, 2015 12:29 AM (P)

"who formed a false religion"

*ALL* religions demand you accept all of their tenets on faith - from how the universe came to be to what you should eat on which days. To question *ANY* religion is heresy, in its teachings.

The Aztecs believed in mass human sacrifice. The ancient Israelites practiced polygamy, and - oh, yeah - stoned people to death for infractions. And for the modern Jews of today, and the majority of so-called Christian who ignore the new testament in favor of the old, they would have to adhere to the many other things they comfortably ignore:

The only reason our current religion gets along with our capitalist/ mass consumer society is because we ignore what it tells us to do. Give up all you have ... love your neighbor as yourself ... let he who is without sin ...

Why you pick on one particular religion as being 'false' is beyond me. It's not as if any others are based on testable hypothesis. And it's not as if they aren't riddled with things we have to ignore to live they way we prefer.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, December 15, 2015 11:55 AM (P)

The problem is and always has been AGENDA!!

The last few posts here demonstrate that.

Everyone has an agenda for hate, for life, for the children, for the environment...Everyone thinks their ideas are novel and can change the world.

Hate has to be personal for a majority of people to do ANYTHING together.

Unfortunately, when people get together, LORDY do I get scared

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:50 PM (P)

All Los Angeles schools closed over terror threat

you have seen this one?

1KIKI

Tuesday, December 15, 2015 10:50 PM (P)

"Everyone has an agenda for hate, for life, for the children, for the environment...Everyone thinks their ideas are novel and can change the world."

If I have an agenda it's a very narrow one - for the children in MY family. I'm not sure I think my ideas are novel. And I'm not sure I think I can change the world with them. But change the world we must, if the children in MY family are going to have a reasonable chance at a life that's not pure misery. We NEED to solve global warming. We NEED to solve the insane distribution of wealth and power. We NEED to make the system work for the benefit of ordinary people, and to ensure an infinitely sustainable future. Otherwise the children in MY family will have very dire lives.

ALWAYS HAVE AN EXIT PLAN.

1KIKI

Friday, December 18, 2015 10:08 AM (P)

Just noting that no new official - and relevant - information has come out. It's pretty much status quo.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:50 AM (P)

No additional information has emerged. Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik didn't seem to have been either taking orders or getting instruction from international terrorists. They seem to have been 'self-radicalized'. Their friend and half-hearted supporter gave Farook 2 guns and talked about thinking about a terrorist act, but appeared to do nothing to further it. Their history of 'radicalism' seems to go back 3 years.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:10 AM (P)

No new relevant facts in the news.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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