Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

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THGRRI

Sunday, March 6, 2016 7:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Troll, much?

Nope, not at all. We leave that to you and SIG.

1KIKI

Sunday, March 6, 2016 9:37 AM (P)

Troll, much?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Sunday, March 6, 2016 6:56 PM (P)

Hey 1kiki

THGRRI

Tuesday, March 8, 2016 5:15 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is why I'm not participating in this thread anymore:

1) It started out biased, like "Russian Invasion of Ukraine". If there was a thread about "WAR CRIMES IN SYRIA" - of which there are a-plenty - that would be more informative. But KPO - being the anti-Russian troll that he is - zeros right in on every presumed Russian infraction, and ignores proven ones like the ones ISIL is committing right now.

Dearie - see the thread title - no ISIL.

And major BS on your part - you're not "participating" (even though you are) because you made a grandiose horse-sh*t statement that you couldn't back up:

SIGNYM: "When I have more time, I'll detail every fact that you denied (because it came from a source that you didn't "like", especially me) that you later thought was "objective"."

And I responded because I knew you were full of it: "I can't freakin' wait! It's going to be great to see how you twist my words to make your point! Half the time you confuse what poster said what! Please tell me we expect your favorite habit of presuming the negative from a statement! So even if someone didn't say something you will say they were obviously thinking it?! Ha! It always makes you look like a desperate fool but it's worth the laugh."

And now you're feigning indignance to weasel out of it - what a pos.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

3) The thread gets its lifespan by attention. I refuse to pay attention to it from now. All of the time that I might have spent arguing minor points, I spent more productively recovering from surgery and managing my health better, going to a newly-discovered CA-native nursery, starting and re-potting plants, helping build a new computer, trying out new recipes, cleaning up, and being present for my family. What's the point of engaging fully-biased people who even REFUSE to look at a website because it might dirty their ideological skirt hems? After this, I'll refill the hummingbird feeders.

Yes, what's the point of engaging people who disagree with you because it might dirty your ideological skirt hems?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
5) I've found a much better discussion board- one that isn't filled by ideological trolls, like you three.

Right - no doubt you mean where everyone agrees with you.

Again - thank god, cya bye.

Here you go SIG, this is why we are asking you why you are still here. While you do mention leaving this thread you expand upon that and imply you are leaving altogether because you've found a "better discussion board."

By the way. Check out your paragraph labeled 3. First sentence at the end. It should be ( from now on ) not from now. Hey tell 1kiki that's three corrections just today. Let her know I was right when I said I could correct your writings time and time again.

So I ask you, why are you still here?

1KIKI

Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:00 AM (P)

Troll, much?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

KPO

Tuesday, March 8, 2016 8:49 PM (P)

New Amnesty International report - Russia and Assad have deliberately targeted hospitals:

Quote:

Russian and Syrian government forces appear to have deliberately and systematically targeted hospitals and other medical facilities over the last three months to pave the way for ground forces to advance on northern Aleppo, an examination of airstrikes by Amnesty International has found.

Even as Syria’s current fragile ceasefire deal was being hammered out, Syrian government forces and their allies intensified their attacks on medical facilities.

Amnesty has gathered compelling evidence of at least six deliberate attacks on hospitals, medical centres and clinics in the northern part of the Aleppo Countryside governorate in the past 12 weeks. The attacks, which killed at least three civilians including a medical worker, and injured 44 more, continue a pattern of targeting health facilities in various parts of Syria which amounts to war crimes.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/syrian-and-russian-forces-ha
ve-deliberately-targeted-hospitals-near-aleppo

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 9, 2016 12:24 AM (P)

"That must be all that accuracy we keep hearing about."

"... and Syrian government forces ..."

Yes, nothing like accuracy in reporting, where they don't mention if these were SRA air strikes or Russian air strikes, because it's all the same thing anyway.

It must all be Russia's fault.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 9, 2016 1:36 AM (P)

"During the last week of January, Syrian government forces supported by Russian airstrikes began a ground offensive in the northern part of the Aleppo Countryside governorate to break the siege imposed by armed groups on the towns of Nubul and Zahraa."

The quote above is the only reference specifically to Russian airstrikes. But there's nothing in that quote about airstrikes on hospitals or medical facilities that the article claims to be addressing.

It always alerts me when articles are weasel-worded to IMPLY something to the careless or biased reader such as yourself, without actually saying it. Maybe they got wise to the fact that astute people were noticing the lack of evidence for their claims. Maybe they had to switch to less obvious tactics to keep the anti-Russian agenda going.

In any case, you won't find a single - not one - claim of specifically Russian airstrikes targeting the places they claim were targeted. Which is a glaringly obvious omission for an article you seem to think is about those bad Russians targeting civilians.

And, in your haste to draw your pre-formed conclusions, you missed the most important message in the story - the siege was imposed by the terrorist groups that the Russians and Syrians are fighting against. "During the last week of January, Syrian government forces supported by Russian airstrikes began a ground offensive in the northern part of the Aleppo Countryside governorate to break the siege imposed by armed groups on the towns of Nubul and Zahraa."

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Wednesday, March 9, 2016 9:06 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"That must be all that accuracy we keep hearing about."

"... and Syrian government forces ..."

Yes, nothing like accuracy in reporting, where they don't mention if these were SRA air strikes or Russian air strikes, because it's all the same thing anyway.

It must all be Russia's fault.

Anyone keeping score? Here is another example of 1kiki defending Russia at the expense of the truth. 1kiki a compulsive and impulsive liar, lies on a regular basis and is unable to control her lying despite foreseeing inevitable negative consequences. One of those consequences are the rest of us pointing out the truth which leaves her looking like an ignorant ass.

As we have seen. Each sentence she writes in her posts misrepresents the facts, which is answered with the truth by G and KPO and makes her look.........fill in the blank.

KPO

Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:38 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"That must be all that accuracy we keep hearing about."

"... and Syrian government forces ..."

Yes, nothing like accuracy in reporting, where they don't mention if these were SRA air strikes or Russian air strikes, because it's all the same thing anyway.

It must all be Russia's fault.

Dimwit, who said it was "all Russia's fault"? Check the title of the thread - "Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria"

And as for Amnesty not saying whether Russia or Assad who was responsible, no, they clearly say it was BOTH:

"Russian and Syrian government forces appear to have deliberately and systematically targeted hospitals and other medical facilities over the last three months..."

“Syrian and Russian forces have been deliberately attacking health facilities in flagrant violation of international humanitarian law. But what is truly egregious is that wiping out hospitals appears to have become part of their military strategy..."

THGRRI

Friday, March 18, 2016 4:36 AM (P)

Putin leaving Syria as quickly as possible and tries to put a good spin on it.

Russian Air Force: Syria withdrawal to be complete in 3 days

"There is no more efficient way of training than real combat," he said, adding that the military action in Syria allowed the Russian armed forces to test its long-range cruise missiles and other new weapons in real action for the first time."

I guess the rest of the world can stop shaking in it's boots and resume flights over Syria again. I imagine the United States will resume flights as soon as they feel it is safe and won't upset Russia.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/world/russian-air-force-syria-withdrawal-
to-be-complete-in-3-days

KPO

Friday, March 18, 2016 6:03 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Putin leaving Syria as quickly as possible and tries to put a good spin on it.

Russian Air Force: Syria withdrawal to be complete in 3 days

Let's remind ourselves what Signy was predicting about the Russian intervention back in October:

Signy:

"I'm not a military analyst, but my view is that as long as the USA sits out the situation in Syria, the terrorists will be mopped up in Syria and Iraq in about 6 months."

"According to Russia, it will take bout 6 months. I'll let you know when the thanks become appropriate. At that point, you probably should, because it will be no thanks to the USA, France, or NATO when that day comes."

THGRRI

Friday, March 18, 2016 7:59 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Putin leaving Syria as quickly as possible and tries to put a good spin on it.

Russian Air Force: Syria withdrawal to be complete in 3 days

Let's remind ourselves what Signy was predicting about the Russian intervention back in October:

Signy:

"I'm not a military analyst, but my view is that as long as the USA sits out the situation in Syria, the terrorists will be mopped up in Syria and Iraq in about 6 months."

"According to Russia, it will take bout 6 months. I'll let you know when the thanks become appropriate. At that point, you probably should, because it will be no thanks to the USA, France, or NATO when that day comes."

Yep, pretty self damning the way she wets herself when praising Putin. We can be assured the victory spin is on the way.

Below I quote my first post on this thread.

Quote:

THGRRI

Russia can not afford a protracted campaign in Syria. Especially since they are expending resources in the Ukraine as well. Their strategy is to inflict as much pain as quickly as they can, to influence their position in negotiations.

What do you think SIG. Who called it right?

THGRRI

Friday, March 18, 2016 7:40 PM (P)

I'm still waiting for SIG to give us the go ahead to thank Putin for fixing Syria. I have my clapping emoticon and profound thank you Putin post ready to go.

Quote:

SIG

'll let you know when the thanks become appropriate. At that point, you probably should, because it will be no thanks to the USA, France, or NATO when that day comes."

THGRRI

Friday, March 18, 2016 10:19 PM (P)

Quote:

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

IN that pointless thread about Russian and Assad's war crime in Syria, KPO tries to spin even a Russian withdrawal as a "war crime".

And the three stooges go on to try and play Russia's withdrawal as a defeat, when it was Russians THEMSELVES who said they would be in Syria for about six months.

And guess what? From the beginning of October thru mid-March: Six months and change.

Top Russian officials, including Putin and Lavrov, have been saying since before the beginning of their assistance to Assad that the only final solution to Syria as a political solution. Universal, secret, multiparty elections in Syria have been proposed and re-proposed, since 2012, only the have them rejected by the United States.

So, what is the military situation? Yes, ISIL in on the run: with their trade routes blocked and oil infrastructure bombed, the terrorist mercenaries are looking at their vastly reduced paychecks and sending in 11-year-olds to do the fighting for them while they prepare fake passports. But Aleppo hasn't been fully freed and Raqqa is still in jihadist hands.

So my guess is that it's not the "military" objectives that Putin has fulfilled, but the political ones: Peace talks are going on in Geneva, The USA is on board with peace, and the Saudis, Turks, and Qataris have had their nose bloodied and seen their project being fought to a standstill with a minor fraction of Russian airforces and nearly no ground troops.

So let's see what happens. With most side of the proxy war agreeing to step out, maybe peace will break out in Syria.

Definitely in character for SIG to claim the Wests victories against DASH as Putin's. The whole world knows Putin bombed everybody but Dash.

KPO

Saturday, March 19, 2016 1:11 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I'm still waiting for SIG to give us the go ahead to thank Putin for fixing Syria. I have my clapping emoticon and profound thank you Putin post ready to go.

And Iraq!

THGRRI

Saturday, March 19, 2016 3:18 AM (P)

KPO

Saturday, March 19, 2016 5:36 AM (P)

UN: Assad and IS still starving people, civilians in besieged areas eating grass to survive - http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-daraya-idukkcn0w
k1us?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=56ec6d8004d30152e39f810a&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

KPO

Monday, March 21, 2016 9:14 PM (P)

Syrian Christian tells the story of Assad's siege against Daraya - https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/09/the-syrian-revolution-is-not-a-ho
ly-war/

Quote:
Before the uprising, Daraya was a sleepy middle-class suburb for Damascus residents. By 2011, it had become an epicenter of peaceful protests, as thousands marched in the streets calling for Assad to step down from power. As a member of the Syrian Christian community, I was overwhelmed with excitement to join this grassroots people’s movement that called for democracy, freedom and rights for all Syrians, no matter our differences.

Syrians were united then. The church bells rang in Daraya in solidarity with the protesters. From their balconies in the narrow streets, Syrian Christians showered protesters below with rice and flowers. They marched hand in hand.

A holy war, this was not.

By 2012, the Assad regime intensified its armed crackdown against the unarmed protesters in Daraya. A terrible massacre occurred there on Aug. 24, 2012, as Assad’s regime sent troops, secret police, and members of the elite 4th Division to prevent residents from fleeing the city by any means necessary. Families were executed in their homes, whole buildings of women and children were machine-gunned in the streets, and residents were even decapitated — long before the so-called Islamic State even existed.

The state-run media launched an aggressive propaganda campaign claiming Muslims were massacring Christians, aiming to stoke fear of the opposition in the Christian community. As regime soldiers went door to door, searching for people to murder, it was the Christian community of Daraya that opened theirs to protect those fleeing the atrocities. One Catholic church treated the injured and prepared food for them.

Assad attempted to break Daraya with chemical weapons in 2013, launching a horrific sarin gas attack that killed over 1,000 across the Damascus suburbs — many were children still in their pajamas when the nighttime attack happened. Images of asphyxiated children lined up on the ground are etched in our memories of that night. The international community was on the verge of holding Assad accountable for that atrocity, but the Russians intervened at the eleventh hour with a negotiated settlement. Before the ink was dry, Assad instituted a brutal starvation siege upon Daraya and neighboring Moadamiya...

We all know how things progressed from here...

KPO

Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:46 AM (P)

What Russia achieved in Syria - bombing of anti-Assad rebels, ISIS (not so much) and war crimes - a good summary:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/03/18/world/middleeast/what-ru
ssia-accomplished-in-syria.html?_r=0

1KIKI

Monday, March 28, 2016 6:35 AM (P)

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160323-why-are-people-so-incredibly-
gullible

Why Are People So Incredibly Gullible?

Based on the research to date, Newman suggests our gut reactions swivel around just five simple questions:

Does a fact come from a credible source?
Do others believe it?
Is there plenty of evidence to support it?
Is it compatible with what I believe?
Does it tell a good story?

It’s always worth asking whether you have thought carefully about the things you are reading and hearing. Or are you just being a cognitive miser, persuaded by biased feelings rather than facts? Some of your dearest opinions may have no more substance than the great banana hoax of the year 2000.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, March 28, 2016 7:44 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160323-why-are-people-so-incredibly-
gullible

Why Are People So Incredibly Gullible?

Based on the research to date, Newman suggests our gut reactions swivel around just five simple questions:

Does a fact come from a credible source?
Do others believe it?
Is there plenty of evidence to support it?
Is it compatible with what I believe?
Does it tell a good story?

The first three you list are important.

Is it compatible with what I believe is irrelevant as is, does it tell a good story when it comes to reporting facts. In the case of KPO's source and the articles material I say it is based in fact.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/03/18/world/middleeast/what-ru
ssia-accomplished-in-syria.html?_r=0

1KIKI

Monday, March 28, 2016 8:22 AM (P)

Obviously you didn't read the article. It explains how 'source' and 'number of people who believe' are irrelevant to the truth or falsity of a claim.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, March 28, 2016 10:39 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Obviously you didn't read the article. It explains how 'source' and 'number of people who believe' are irrelevant to the truth or falsity of a claim.

Obviously you didn't read my post. I commented on your list and what was relevant in judging a source. Also how you listed things that would be based on opinion instead of facts. I then cited KPO's link as a good example of fact based reporting.

I would add that your link is nothing more than subjective posting because it is completely off topic.

1KIKI

Monday, March 28, 2016 11:07 AM (P)

article:

Why Are People So Incredibly Gullible?
Based on the research to date, Newman suggests our gut reactions swivel around just five simple questions:

Does a fact come from a credible source?
Do others believe it?

Thuggr

The first three you list (includes: Does a fact come from a credible source?
Do others believe it?) are important.

kiki

Obviously you didn't read the article. It explains how 'source' and 'number of people who believe' are irrelevant to the truth or falsity of a claim.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, March 28, 2016 9:30 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
article:

Why Are People So Incredibly Gullible?
Based on the research to date, Newman suggests our gut reactions swivel around just five simple questions:

Does a fact come from a credible source?
Do others believe it?

You quote me here 1kiki and while you did not change my point, you do add text. Just so we are clear that, that is misleading. Your approach to making your point can confuse.

Thuggr
The first three you list (includes: Does a fact come from a credible source?
Do others believe it?) are important.

kiki

Obviously you didn't read the article. It explains how 'source' and 'number of people who believe' are irrelevant to the truth or falsity of a claim.

Thuggr

OK, let me explain it for you My post is about what I say and not your stupid subjective link. Learn to read, below is what I said.

Obviously you didn't read my post. I commented on your list and what was relevant in judging a source. Also how you listed things that would be based on opinion instead of facts. I then cited KPO's link as a good example of fact based reporting.

I would add that your link is nothing more than subjective posting because it is completely off topic.

KPO

Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:58 PM (P)

Images of the destruction of rebel-held Aleppo by Assad and Russia - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35921164

KPO

Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:10 PM (P)

Footage of a 'double-tap' airstrike on a mosque in rebel-held Douma that almost hit rescue workers - https://www.facebook.com/Douma.Revolution.2011/videos/vb.1116324955843
41/1021849494562632/?type=2&theater

THGRRI

Friday, April 1, 2016 6:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Footage of a 'double-tap' airstrike on a mosque in rebel-held Douma that almost hit rescue workers - https://www.facebook.com/Douma.Revolution.2011/videos/vb.1116324955843
41/1021849494562632/?type=2&theater

While I know who is bombing who and we are generally if not more on the same side of the argument, there is no way to know who was in that vehicle and where they were from what we see.

That said it is very dramatic to see the windshield shatter the way it did.

THGRRI

Saturday, April 2, 2016 2:57 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Images of the destruction of rebel-held Aleppo by Assad and Russia - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35921164

Above the finger pointing... "Destruction" is the rule in the ME. "Creating?" Doesn't seem to exist in that part of the world at this time. You have to be able to Create to live and grow.

Wise words

KPO

Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:18 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

While I know who is bombing who and we are generally if not more on the same side of the argument, there is no way to know who was in that vehicle and where they were from what we see.

That said it is very dramatic to see the windshield shatter the way it did.

You're right, I should have sorted out the information between what was known and what was merely 'reported' before I posted it (if I hadn't been in a hurry I would have). That said, you were able to watch the video and tell for yourself the limitations of what was deducible. Would that everyone on these boards had that mental skill.

Meanwhile: "Russian claims on Syria airstrikes 'inaccurate on grand scale', says report"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/05/russian-claims-syria-airs
trikes-inaccurate-report

Quote:
Russian claims to have mostly bombed Islamic State targets during its Syrian campaign were wildly out of step with reality, according to a report using aerial surveillance, crowdsourcing and other open source techniques.

The report says the almost six months of Russian airstrikes up until the 27 February ceasefire caused only peripheral damage to Isis.

What some of us were saying all along...

KPO

Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:24 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160323-why-are-people-so-incredibly-
gullible

Why Are People So Incredibly Gullible?

Based on the research to date, Newman suggests our gut reactions swivel around just five simple questions:

Does a fact come from a credible source?
Do others believe it?
Is there plenty of evidence to support it?
Is it compatible with what I believe?
Does it tell a good story?

It’s always worth asking whether you have thought carefully about the things you are reading and hearing. Or are you just being a cognitive miser, persuaded by biased feelings rather than facts? Some of your dearest opinions may have no more substance than the great banana hoax of the year 2000.

An interesting article kiki, I suggest you post it in one of Sig's threads like the "Freedom in Ukraine" thread. There you will see a real cognitive miser in action.

Quote:
Obviously you didn't read the article. It explains how 'source' and 'number of people who believe' are irrelevant to the truth or falsity of a claim.

"Source" is irrelevant to the truth of a claim? Haha you wish. Obviously you didn't understand the article.

THGRRI

Sunday, April 10, 2016 8:21 PM (P)

1kiki and SIG always misunderstand what they read in print. We all have witnessed that first hand in the way they misrepresent and butcher what the rest of us post here.

KPO

Friday, April 15, 2016 4:09 AM (P)

More on the top secret documents and photos, smuggled out of Syria, tying the Assad regime to mass torture and killings - http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/04/18/bashar-al-assads-war-crim
es-exposed

“when the day of justice arrives, we’ll have much better evidence than we’ve had anywhere since Nuremberg.”

KPO

Friday, April 15, 2016 7:07 PM (P)

Not quite a war crime, but despicable still - How Iran rounds up vulnerable Afghans and enlists them to fight for Assad in Syria: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36035095

Quote:
As the five-year conflict in Syria grinds on, BBC Persian has found evidence that Iran is sending thousands of Afghan men to fight alongside Syrian government forces.

The men, who are mainly ethnic Hazaras, are recruited from impoverished and vulnerable migrant communities in Iran, and sent to join a multi-national Shia Muslim militia - in effect a "Foreign Legion" - that Iran has mobilised to support Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Many have since fled the battlefield and joined the refugee trail to Europe.

In a small town in Germany, we meet "Amir", an Afghan man in his early twenties. He was born to refugee parents in Isfahan, Iran, and is now himself an asylum seeker in Europe. Like most of the almost three million Afghans in Iran, he lived as a second-class citizen. Without legal residency or identity documents, he found it hard to get an education or a job. Fear of arrest and deportation was a daily reality. It was difficult to move around freely, get a driving license or even buy a Sim card for his mobile phone.

But one day, Amir received an offer that changed everything. "Some Afghans, who were close to Iran's Revolutionary Guards, approached me and my mates at the mosque," he said. "They suggested we go to Syria to help defend the Shia holy shrines from Daesh," he added, using an acronym for the previous name of the jihadist group Islamic State (IS). "They said we'd get passports and have an easy life afterwards. We'd be like Iranian citizens and could buy cars, houses..."

Amir was drafted into the Fatemioun Brigade, an all-Afghan unit commanded by Revolutionary Guards officers. The training, he says, was very short - a fortnight of tactical movement and basic weapons handling - and conducted in strict secrecy. "The night we entered the base at Qarchak, near Varamin in Tehran province, all our mobile phones were confiscated - and after two weeks' basic training, we were driven to the airport in buses with blacked-out windows," he said.

Despite having no ,passports the Afghan recruits were flown directly to Syria on specially chartered jets. "Everything was taken care of by the Revolutionary Guards," he said. "When we arrived, we saw the bullet holes and shell damage. It was a war zone. What I did and saw there affects me still. I can't sleep - I get angry for no reason."

...

As we travelled across Europe, we met many Afghan ex-fighters like Amir, and all told similar stories. In the Moria migrant camp on the Greek island of Lesbos, a clearly traumatised teenage veteran describes how Afghan Fatemioun fighters were used as first-wave shock troops and were effectively disposable.

"Sometimes we had no supplies, no water, no bread - hungry and thirsty in the middle of the desert," he told us. "We were light infantry and we'd have to walk 20-30km (12.5-19 miles) to face the enemy and then fight them. "We would take ground at great cost and then have to hand it over to the Syrian soldiers. But they would usually lose it back to Daesh after a day or two. "One night we were surrounded in an orchard. They fired an RPG [rocket-propelled grenade] towards us and I saw my mate blown to pieces, right in front of my eyes. After that, I hated war and started to fear war. "For nights afterwards, I would picture my friend in my head and would think: 'My God, what happened to him!' I was really scared."

...

There are no official figures for how many Afghans Iran has sent to Syria - or how many have been killed there.Human Rights Watch recently estimated as many as 10,000 Afghans may have been recruited by the Revolutionary Guards.

...

KPO

Wednesday, April 20, 2016 7:17 PM (P)

Rebel town that stood up to Al-Qaeda has its main market place bombed by Assad, scores killed:

Quote:
It was unclear whether the raid was carried out by government warplanes or aircraft operated by Russia, which intervened militarily in the Syrian conflict last year to bolster its ally, President Bashar al-Assad, against rebel forces. The United States backs Assad’s moderate opponents.

Footage posted by activists on social media, which could not be independently verified, shows Maarat al-Numan’s formerly bustling market area reduced to rubble and smoldering ruins. Other images showed stunned residents limping away from the attacked area, as well as emergency responders carrying away the wounded.

...

Imad Salamey, a political science professor at the Lebanese American University, said Tuesday’s bombings further demonstrate how extremist groups and the Syrian government find common cause in trying to marginalize moderate opposition forces.

“This just shows again how both extremes in the Syrian conflict — the regime and the radical Islamists — feed off each other and need each other to survive,” he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/pro-government-warpla
nes-bomb-a-rebel-town-that-hates-al-qaeda-killing-scores/2016/04/19/0a1d34ac-0641-11e6-bfed-ef65dff5970d_story.html

And the Syrian government continues to starve rebel towns, in defiance of the UN:

Quote:
Aid workers have managed to visit some long-isolated areas of Syria, but most of the besieged areas have received little of the help they desperately need. The government has continued to remove medical supplies, including nutrition kits to help save people from starvation, from shipments to areas it has under siege, aid officials said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/world/middleeast/syria-cease-fire.ht
ml?smid=tw-share&_r=0

KPO

Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:46 PM (P)

The state of the Syria ceasefire - airstrikes on rebel-held Aleppo today, 10+ civilian casualties:

You see all the terrorists in the pictures, hit by the airstrikes? Yeah, me neither. Just innocent men, women, children.

KPO

Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:51 PM (P)

Syrian Defence Force (emergency volunteer rescuers) mourns after precision, double-tap night-time airstrike on its facility *cough* Russia *cough* - 5 killed:

You see all those terrorists hiding in amongst the blown up ambulances and emergency vehicles? Yeah, me neither.

KPO

Friday, May 6, 2016 3:48 AM (P)

Another day, another war crime.

Air strike on refugee camp in rebel-held territory kills at least 28 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36214290

KPO

Friday, May 6, 2016 4:00 AM (P)

From last week, airstrike on Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Aleppo kills 55 - http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/28/middleeast/syria-aleppo-hospital-air
strike/

Quote:
An airstrike on a pediatric hospital in Syria has killed 50 people, rights and humanitarian groups say, as the United Nations warns that the situation in Aleppo has become "catastrophic" amid intensified fighting in recent days.

The U.N. special envoy to Syria, Staffan de Mistura, told reporters in Geneva on Thursday that Syria's nationwide "cessation of hostilities" is under serious threat of collapse, and that a humanitarian disaster is unfolding as violence increases in Aleppo and three other locations.

Al Quds field hospital, situated in a rebel-held neighborhood in Aleppo, was hit by a missile from a fighter jet Wednesday, witnesses said.

The airstrike killed at least 50 people, according to Pablo Marco, operations manager for Doctors Without Borders in the Middle East.

Marco told CNN that at least six of the dead were hospital staff: Two doctors, two nurses, one guard and one maintenance worker. The death toll could still rise.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry condemned the attack and pointed a finger of blame at the Syrian government.

"We are outraged by yesterday's airstrikes in Aleppo on the al Quds hospital supported by both Doctors Without Borders and the International Committee of the Red Cross, which killed dozens of people, including children, patients and medical personnel," he said in a statement.

"It appears to have been a deliberate strike on a known medical facility and follows the Assad regime's appalling record of striking such facilities and first responders. These strikes have killed hundreds of innocent Syrians."

"Surely Russia and Assad wouldn't stoop to repeatedly targeting hospitals, would they?"

And yet they do, again and again. Time for us to open up our eyes to that fact.

KPO

Friday, May 6, 2016 5:17 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Another day, another war crime.

Air strike on refugee camp in rebel-held territory kills at least 28 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36214290

"Where is the World?"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36217041

THGRRI

Monday, May 9, 2016 8:25 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
1kiki and SIG always misunderstand what they read in print. We all have witnessed that first hand in the way they misrepresent and butcher what the rest of us post here.

Ding Ding! I'm seeing that with blinding regularity lately. Their lack of simple understanding and awareness makes me wonder how they get through a day without crashing through a storefront or electrocuting themselves or others. The Truth is right there, it's not even hard to see it. Why play hard to get? They start with a fixed position and bend the facts backwards & sideways to preserve their original opinions. It's remarkably inept and closed minded and built to fail.

I fully expect them both to self-immolate as they profess their love for Putin. Well, its at the top of my wish list anyway.

KPO

Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:05 PM (P)

Al Jazeera interviews a citizen journalist in Aleppo, reporting on continued Russian/Assad ceasefire violations impacting civilian areas - http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/hadi-al-abdallah-man-documenting
-syria-civil-war-160523110234047.html

THGRRI

Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:27 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Al Jazeera interviews a citizen journalist in Aleppo, reporting on continued Russian/Assad ceasefire violations impacting civilian areas - http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/hadi-al-abdallah-man-documenting
-syria-civil-war-160523110234047.html

It's the same in the Ukraine. With so many lies being told by Russia the past few years, they have zero creditability.

THGRRI

Wednesday, May 25, 2016 7:18 PM (P)

Russian attack helicopters destroyed

"The Russian military suffered a setback in Syria when fires destroyed four Mi-24 attack helicopters last week, but U.S. officials tell Fox News the intelligence community believes it was an "accident," not an Islamic State terror attack.

The fires also destroyed more than a dozen trucks at an air base in Tiyas, roughly halfway between Homs and Palmyra.

On May 14, ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack on the Russian base, known locally as 'T4.' Fighter jets belonging to the Syrian regime were also destroyed.

On Tuesday, the U.S. intelligence firm Stratfor published satellite images showing the destruction to part of the base including the charred remains of the Russian attack helicopters and a supply depot. Stratfor analysts said they believed the ISIS claims were valid."

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/05/25/russian-attack-helicopters-des
troyed-in-syria-us-officials-say-accident-to-blame.html

Tough break

KPO

Monday, May 30, 2016 8:21 PM (P)

Syrian government continues to starve rebel towns, thwarts UN plan to deliver humanitarian airdrop:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/29/syria-fears-for-aid-airdr
ops-plan-as-un-appears-to-backtrack?CMP=share_btn_tw

KPO

Tuesday, May 31, 2016 10:35 PM (P)

Reported airstrikes on residential areas in rebel-held Idlib, dozens of civilians killed - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36416265

KPO

Wednesday, June 1, 2016 12:48 AM (P)

The strikes, targeting at least two medical facilities, have been confirmed and condemned by UN officials:

Quote:
The bombing of the national hospital and its surroundings in Idlib city, a provincial capital wrested from regime control last year, was the latest incident in a systematic aerial campaign against medical personnel and facilities that has gone unpunished despite its intensification over the last year and a half.

“There is no use to all of this. The bombing of hospitals will continue and cannot be stopped – that much is clear,” said Zedoun al-Zoabi, head of the Union of Syrian Medical Relief Organisations, which operates a number of hospitals in northern Syria. “We have lost hope, and all we can do is build hospitals underground because there is no international decision to prevent the bombing of hospitals.”

The office of the UN high commissioner for human rights said the attack happened at 10pm on Monday, with multiple airstrikes by pro-government forces targeting the national hospital. According to first responders, at least 30 people were killed and dozens of civilians wounded, and the death toll was likely to rise as rescue operations continued, the statement said.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said several children were among the dead.

It was unclear whether the attack was conducted by Russian or Syrian fighter jets.

...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/31/syria-idlib-national-hosp
ital-bombing-dozens-killed?CMP=share_btn_tw

Quote:
"Hospitals" and "Civilians" always seem to in the reports.

I wonder what kiki and Siggy will have to say about that. They hate warmongers and war criminals, don't you know.

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
The strikes, targeting at least two medical facilities, have been confirmed and condemned by UN officials:

Quote:
The bombing of the national hospital and its surroundings in Idlib city, a provincial capital wrested from regime control last year, was the latest incident in a systematic aerial campaign against medical personnel and facilities that has gone unpunished despite its intensification over the last year and a half.

“There is no use to all of this. The bombing of hospitals will continue and cannot be stopped – that much is clear,” said Zedoun al-Zoabi, head of the Union of Syrian Medical Relief Organisations, which operates a number of hospitals in northern Syria. “We have lost hope, and all we can do is build hospitals underground because there is no international decision to prevent the bombing of hospitals.”

The office of the UN high commissioner for human rights said the attack happened at 10pm on Monday, with multiple airstrikes by pro-government forces targeting the national hospital. According to first responders, at least 30 people were killed and dozens of civilians wounded, and the death toll was likely to rise as rescue operations continued, the statement said.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said several children were among the dead.

It was unclear whether the attack was conducted by Russian or Syrian fighter jets.

...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/31/syria-idlib-national-hosp
ital-bombing-dozens-killed?CMP=share_btn_tw

Quote:
"Hospitals" and "Civilians" always seem to in the reports.

I wonder what kiki and Siggy will have to say about that. They hate warmongers and war criminals, don't you know.

1kiki and SIG will deny the reports while demanding cites. These are two very sick bitches.

KPO

Thursday, June 2, 2016 2:26 AM (P)

Footage shows child being pulled alive from the rubble of the Idlib strikes - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36423268

One of the lucky ones.

1KIKI

Thursday, June 2, 2016 3:15 AM (P)

"Turkey has accused Russia of bombing a hospital and a mosque in the Syrian city of Idlib."

Yep, that's all the evidence THETHREESTOOGES need. Somebody somewhere said so.

Here ya go: another something somebody somewhere said for you to believe in http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

KPO

Thursday, June 2, 2016 3:32 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Turkey has accused Russia of bombing a hospital and a mosque in the Syrian city of Idlib."

Yep, that's all the evidence THETHREESTOOGES need.

Wow, so many threads, so many strawmen.

No one here has said anything about Turkey. We've linked to the BBC, Guardian and Washington Post, all reporting on attacks confirmed by the UN.

Are you pulling a random quote out of one of the reports, an accusation made by Turkey, and trying to pin it on us even though neither of us have even mentioned it?

1KIKI

Thursday, June 2, 2016 3:38 AM (P)

No one here has said anything about Turkey. ... Are you pulling a random quote out of one of the reports, an accusation made by Turkey, and trying to pin it on us even though neither of us have even mentioned it?

Footage shows child being pulled alive from the rubble of the Idlib strikes - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36423268

Is this not YOUR post with YOUR link? This is the VERY FIRST SENTENCE:

Turkey has accused Russia of bombing a hospital and a mosque in the Syrian city of Idlib.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

KPO

Thursday, June 2, 2016 4:36 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Is this not YOUR post with YOUR link? This is the VERY FIRST SENTENCE:

Turkey has accused Russia of bombing a hospital and a mosque in the Syrian city of Idlib.

Yes - and?

Here by the way, is how I introduced that link:

"Reported airstrikes on residential areas in rebel-held Idlib, dozens of civilians killed"

You realise the fact that these were airstrikes against a rebel-held city implicates Assad and Russia, don't you? Or do you imagine the rebels bombed themselves with their non-existent air force?

1KIKI

Thursday, June 2, 2016 4:38 AM (P)

"even though neither of us have even mentioned it"

Because, apparently posting and linking isn't mentioning.

OK, now I know you have no ethics. When caught in a lie, you just deny.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

1KIKI

Thursday, June 2, 2016 5:59 AM (P)

Originally posted by kpo:
Here by the way, is how I introduced that link:
"Reported airstrikes on residential areas in rebel-held Idlib, dozens of civilians killed"

No, THIS is how you introduced that link:

Originally posted by kpo:
Footage shows child being pulled alive from the rubble of the Idlib strikes - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36423268
One of the lucky ones.

Is this bald-faced lie another example of your lack of ethics?

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

THGRRI

Thursday, June 2, 2016 7:16 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Originally posted by kpo:
Here by the way, is how I introduced that link:
"Reported airstrikes on residential areas in rebel-held Idlib, dozens of civilians killed"

No, THIS is how you introduced that link:

Originally posted by kpo:
Footage shows child being pulled alive from the rubble of the Idlib strikes - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36423268
One of the lucky ones.

Is this bald-faced lie another example of your lack of ethics?

These are two different posts by KPO that are getting confused by you. One was posted on the 31st at 12:30 pm. And the bottom one on June 1st at 4:30 pm. KPO described what he said in each post accurately. The one you say starts with Turkey actually starts off "The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Russian aircraft targeted various positions overnight."

Then it suggests Turkey believes the same.

1KIKI

Thursday, June 2, 2016 7:32 AM (P)

Do you count differently than most people?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36423268

Footage shows child being pulled from Idlib strike rubble caption under photo

1 June 2016 Last updated at 04:36 BST article date

Turkey has accused Russia of bombing a hospital and a mosque in the Syrian city of Idlib. line 1

Activists say at least 23 people died in the air strikes but Turkey puts the figure at more than 60. line 2

Russia has denied its planes carried out the attacks. line 3

Reged Ahmad reports. line 4

So, when ONEOFTHETHREESTOOGES said neither of us have even mentioned what he meant was that he and the other person posting under his name cross-posted.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

THGRRI

Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:27 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Turkey has accused Russia of bombing a hospital and a mosque in the Syrian city of Idlib."

Yep, that's all the evidence THETHREESTOOGES need. Somebody somewhere said so.

Here ya go: another something somebody somewhere said for you to believe in http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

This is completely out of context. Did you notice KPO posted a video link to follow? His post "Footage shows child being pulled alive from the rubble of the Idlib strikes" says nothing about who did it.

Did you watch the video? You quote one of three sentences about what Turkey thinks written below the video. That's the whole thing, three sentences and only one mentions turkey.

The video talks about the bombing as viewed by the UN and watch groups as well as Turkey. You dismissed the BBC video apparently without watching it. You jumped instead to a headline below the video that reports about Turkeys claims against Russia.

Sorry to burst your bubble 1kiki but KPO directed us to the video, not the headline about Turkeys accusations.

Again I quote KPO's post.

"Footage shows child being pulled alive from the rubble of the Idlib strikes"

Like I have said before, you and SIG twist what others post so you can throw lies about them back.

THGRRI

Thursday, June 2, 2016 8:48 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Guys, time to admit it. The game is up. Kiki can out stupid all three of us put together. She seems rested, well practiced, and even gifted in that way. It's her thing (dammit!). We really never stood a chance.

I decided to go back to the beginning and see if 1kiki lied about what KPO posted, enabled by her taking KPO'S post out of context. Something you I and KPO are very familiar with.

And guess what, it was right there for all to see. We just didn't catch it because it was a classic 1kiki move, as you mentioned, very practiced.

KPO

Tuesday, June 7, 2016 8:56 PM (P)

Been away for a few days. I gather kiki continued to make a fool of herself in my absence?

Meanwhile. Russian and Syrian regime airstrikes on civilians in Aleppo intensify: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36471918

And reports of White Phosphorus attacks by Russia/Assad on the city -

KPO

Thursday, June 9, 2016 8:15 PM (P)

3 hospitals bombed by Russia/Assad in rebel-held Aleppo yesterday - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/world/middleeast/aleppo-syria-hospit
als-airstrikes.html?_r=0

A video of the aftermath of one of the attacks. WATCH:

Yes this is happening now.

THGRRI

Thursday, June 9, 2016 9:43 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
3 hospitals bombed by Russia/Assad in rebel-held Aleppo yesterday - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/world/middleeast/aleppo-syria-hospit
als-airstrikes.html?_r=0

Yes this is happening now.

It's unbelievable and shows the desperation felt by Assad and Putin. You only manage to bomb the amount of hospitals they have if you are searching them out and targeting them.

A lack of appropriate outrage allows this to continue.

KPO

Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Been away for a few days. I gather kiki continued to make a fool of herself in my absence?

Been away myself, still away. It has been fascinating. Big city, first time using Uber. 10 rides so far, all the drivers have been from outside the US. Gay, straight, who knows, Jordanian, Ukrainian (I should start a thread from what he had to say - "I am more Ukrainian today thanks to Putin than I have ever been... he has done more harm to his own people with his propaganda and lies than Stalin..." !), Indian, Italian , men, women, young people, every color - incredible diversity and lots of stories. Totally inspiring.

Must have been good for that Ukrainian to encounter an American who was well informed about events in his country. I wonder if the guy was a Russian speaker - I get the impression from his words ("I am more Ukrainian today thanks to Putin...") that he might have been.

What he says about harming the Russian people through propaganda is dead on - but it also applies to millions of Western Russophiles, like our two Putin fangirls, whose brains have been thoroughly addled. I often imagine people on this site from 4-5 years ago, in Signy's saner times, coming back and shaking their heads in disbelief at her shameless support for figures such as Putin, Le Pen and Donald Trump.

KPO

Friday, June 10, 2016 4:52 PM (P)

Inside Aleppo's Al-Quds hospital, a story of 3 brothers (warning heartbreaking):

KPO

Sunday, June 12, 2016 5:59 PM (P)

Children injured in airstrikes on rebel-held Aleppo neighbourhood a few days ago (GRAPHIC) -

To do this kind of thing accidentally or reluctantly, in the course of fighting a war, is one thing. To do it repeatedly and intentionally is sick, and evil.

KPO

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:31 PM (P)

Over 20 civilians (including 5 children) killed in air attacks on Idlib marketplace - http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/syria-civil-war-idlib-air-strike
s-160612150541117.html

Russian and Syrian government planes reported spotted in the skies, and a mixture of barrel bombs and rockets used in the attack.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:03 PM (P)

Quote:
Russian and Syrian government planes reported spotted in the skies, and a mixture of barrel bombs and rockets used in the attack.

You don't drop barrel bombs from "planes", only helicopters. So somebody is lying or confused.

Also, "barrel bombs" are a very low-tech weapon which exposes the bomber to ground fire, since they need to be dropped from relatively slow-moving, low-flying helicopters. They also tend to be low yield. Anyone who is using a "barrel bomb" is scraping the bottom of the barrel, so to speak, weapons-wise.

--------------
I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:06 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

--------------
I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.

Yes, but you're voting for him anyway

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:09 PM (P)

Quote:
Russian and Syrian government planes reported spotted in the skies, and a mixture of barrel bombs and rockets used in the attack.

You don't drop barrel bombs from "planes", only helicopters. So somebody is lying or confused.

Also, "barrel bombs" are a very low-tech weapon which exposes the bomber to ground fire, since they need to be dropped from relatively slow-moving, low-flying helicopters. They also tend to be low yield. Anyone who is using a "barrel bomb" is scraping the bottom of the barrel, so to speak, weapons-wise.

--------------
I'll tell you what I DON'T like about Trump: I think that he has never confronted either the international banking cartel, nor the CIA-State Dept multi-headed hydra, nor the military-industrial complex. The last person to confront them was JFK (BTW, ALL immigration was illegal under JFK) and look what happened to him.

KPO

Friday, June 17, 2016 4:30 AM (P)

Quote:
You don't drop barrel bombs from "planes", only helicopters.

Actually you can drop them from planes, but that's irrelevant, as who said there were no helicopters?

Quote:
Also, "barrel bombs" are a very low-tech weapon which exposes the bomber to ground fire, since they need to be dropped from relatively slow-moving, low-flying helicopters. They also tend to be low yield.

Stop sigging*. Only dropped from helicopters? Low yield??

Quote:
A barrel bomb is an improvised unguided bomb, sometimes described as a flying IED (improvised explosive device). They are typically made from a large barrel-shaped metal container that has been filled with high explosives, possibly shrapnel, oil or chemicals as well, and then dropped from a helicopter or airplane.[1] Due to the large amount of explosives (up 1,000 kilograms), their poor accuracy and indiscriminate use in populated civilian areas (including refugee camps), the resulting detonations have been devastating.[2][3][4] Critics have characterised them as weapons of terror and illegal under international conventions.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_bomb

Needless to say, a metric tonne of high explosives is not low yield.

*'Sigging' definition - "Speaking as if you know what you are talking about."

KPO

Friday, June 17, 2016 6:25 PM (P)

More on barrel bombs, from Amnesty International:

The residents here talk about 'planes' dropping the barrels, while the pictures show helicopters, so perhaps there is some confusion (or maybe the words in Arabic are interchangeable?).

THGRRI

Friday, June 17, 2016 7:42 PM (P)

Dozens of U.S. Diplomats Press Obama to Strike Syria's Assad: Reports

Dozens of U.S. diplomats have reportedly called for airstrikes against the government of Syria's President Bashar Assad in an internal memo that amounted to a scathing critique of White House policy.

The "dissent channel cable" was signed by 51 State Department officers who have been involved with U.S.-Syria policy, an official familiar with the memo told The Wall Street Journal.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/dozens-u-s-diplomats-press-obama-str
ike-syria-s-assad-n594156

Hope we do it soon.

THGRRI

Monday, June 20, 2016 11:52 PM (P)

Russia's State TV Airs Evidence Of Russian Cluster Bombs In Syria

Oops

Russia’s state-run RT network has broadcast footage appearing to show Russian jets in Syria armed with cluster bombs, weapons which are widely condemned for their indiscriminate nature and which Moscow has denied using during its intervention in the five-year-old conflict.

A news segment aired by RT on June 18 showed two canister-like attachments under the wing of a Russian jet that bear codes identified by independent activists as those of Russian cluster munitions.

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-rt-tv-cluster-bombs-syria/27809812
.html

KPO

Tuesday, June 21, 2016 9:05 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Russia's State TV Airs Evidence Of Russian Cluster Bombs In Syria

Oops

Russia’s state-run RT network has broadcast footage appearing to show Russian jets in Syria armed with cluster bombs, weapons which are widely condemned for their indiscriminate nature and which Moscow has denied using during its intervention in the five-year-old conflict.

A news segment aired by RT on June 18 showed two canister-like attachments under the wing of a Russian jet that bear codes identified by independent activists as those of Russian cluster munitions.

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-rt-tv-cluster-bombs-syria/27809812
.html

UPDATE - RT Caught Trying To Edit Out Footage Of Incendiary Cluster Bombs On Russian Jet in Syria"

Double oops.

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 21, 2016 9:58 PM (P)

Hey KPO wasn't SIG absolutely livid about claims Israel used cluster bombs against civilians? What are the chances she will finial criticize Russia?

KPO

Thursday, June 23, 2016 4:15 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Hey KPO wasn't SIG absolutely livid about claims Israel used cluster bombs against civilians? What are the chances she will finial criticize Russia?

Excellent question, and I think we both know the answer. Zero.

Syrian boy pulled alive from airstrike on residential area of Aleppo, entire family killed - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36601532

THGRRI

Friday, June 24, 2016 1:31 AM (P)

Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:28 AM

SIGNYM posted this

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yeah so much for democracy in the Middle East, eh? But I'm not talking about "foreign aid". I'm talking about Israel blocking food from an entire walled-in population. Gee, where have I heard that story before?

---------------------------------
Always look upstream.

Syria SIG, where's your outrage now?

KPO

Friday, June 24, 2016 3:40 AM (P)

Some examples of Russia's/Assad's indiscriminate bombing. Cool fireworks show, until you think about what it's doing to civilians on the ground:

Parachuted cluster bombs:

Thermite incendiary weapons:

^ Regarding which Human Rights Watch has come out with condemnation - https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/06/21/dispatches-incendiary-weapons-pose
-civilian-threat-syria

THGRRI

Friday, June 24, 2016 10:09 PM (P)

THGRRI

Saturday, June 25, 2016 12:28 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Some examples of Russia's/Assad's indiscriminate bombing. Cool fireworks show, until you think about what it's doing to civilians on the ground.

I can hear SICKNYM now: "oooooo.... aaahhhhhh.... weeeeeeeeee... ooooooooo......"

Both her and 1kiki are avoiding answering our posts here and the doping thread. The evidence is overwhelming that they are morons, hypocrites and nothing more than Russian trolls.

THGRRI

Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:23 AM (P)

Waiting for a defense of Russia's actions in Syria guys.

KPO

Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:13 AM (P)

Footage of an Assad helicopter barrel-bombing - explains the wholesale destruction and killed/maimed civilians we see in the 'aftermath' videos :-(

KPO

Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:12 PM (P)

Meanwhile Assad continues to starve cities while the world watches... or doesn't - http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/syria-civil-war-2016-el
ection-214017#ixzz4Di5LMKp3

KPO

Friday, July 8, 2016 6:08 AM (P)

During another 'Russian ceasefire' Syrian regime + allies launch offensive to cut off Aleppo - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36735196

Up to 300,000 living there about to face an Assad starvation siege, or a Putin/Grozny-style carpet-bombing?

KPO

Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:29 PM (P)

Why indeed.

Another airstrike on a REFUGEE CAMP, 12 killed, and again the finger of blame points to Russia - http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZS2M0

EDIT:

Update - 17 killed - http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/dozens-dead-air-strike-camp-disp
laced-syrians-160713075726780.html

"a senior Western diplomat confirmed the incident to Reuters news agency and said initial information was that several Russian jets conducted the raids."

Speculation amongst activists that the camp was targeted because a Western-backed anti-ISIS force has family members in the camp.

THGRRI

Thursday, July 14, 2016 2:38 AM (P)

Still waiting for your defense of what Russia is doing SIG, 1KIKI. Why the delay. Are you waiting for instructions from headquarters?

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KPO

Monday, July 18, 2016 3:33 AM (P)

Russian/Assad Airstrikes on rebel-held Aleppo kill 28+ civilians, including children, take out another hospital - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36817960

THGRRI

Monday, July 18, 2016 7:42 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Russian/Assad Airstrikes on rebel-held Aleppo kill 28+ civilians, including children, take out another hospital - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36817960

It's a wonder there are any civilians or hospitals or children left. I guess when they are all gone Assad/Russia will have won. Guess they'll celebrate the victory then.

I find myself wondering if Russia signed the Geneva convention. If so Putin needs to be declared a war criminal because he and Assad are clearly targeting hospitals.

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THGRRI

Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:46 AM (P)

Welcome to the conversation that 1kiki and SIG are afraid of.

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Air strikes on the Syrian city of Aleppo have killed at least 28 people, including children, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

I'm going to point out, once again, that this "Observatory for Human Rights" is one guy in London. That's about as credible as asking one anti-Castro expat in a Miami condo about the situation in Cuba. But western media rebroadcasts his shit without question.

“Pro-Democracy Terrorism”: The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is a Propaganda Front funded by the EU
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-syrian-observatory-for-human-rights-i
s-a-propaganda-front-funded-by-the-eu-its-objective-is-to-justify-pro-democracy-terrorism/5331072

Quote:
Syrian Government forces seized control of the only road going into rebel-held eastern Aleppo on Sunday, leaving no way for people or supplies to get in or out of the opposition-controlled area.

"They are only a few hundred meters away, they are having fun, waiting for any civilians to pass," 27-year-old human rights activist Muhammad Zain said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-19/thousands-trapped-in-rebel-held-
aleppo-as-supplies-run-low/7640044

A "human rights activist" in the part of Aleppo that has been controlled by al Qaida for over a year? And I suppose this "human rights activist" was protesting the trampling of human rights by jihadi terrorists that whole time, correct?

Uh huh.

Quote:
"Really Aleppo is just another scale entirely," said James Sadri, the director of The Syria Campaign in Beirut, an advocacy group that calls for humanitarian action in the war-ravaged country. Mr Sadri said it was unjustifiable that the world had failed to act to help protect civilians in Aleppo.
"You know we have got four of the five permanent security members that are now flying in Syrian airspace and yet none of them is doing anything to stop this aerial war on these civilians which is now focused on Aleppo," Mr Sadri said.

There was a cessation of hostilities a month and some ago. Russia was pushing for a full cease-fire, it was the USA who was hanging back.

al Nusra, al Qaida, ISIL, and their various affiliates weren't part of that cessation of hostilities, but any Syrian rebel who laid down his or her arms nad was willing to separate out from foreign jihadist would have been accepted into the cessation of hostilities. Russia repeatedly asked the USA to provide coordinates of "loyal opposition" rebels so that they wouldn't be targeted, which the USA repeatedly refused to provide. In fact, the jihadists and their Turkish, Saudi, and USA-suppliers used that time to regroup and re-arm. Jihadists and Muslim extremists have been holding part of eastern Aleppo hostage for over a year. They're about to get their comeuppance.

So why don't you bitch about those fucking terrorists who are holding eastern Aleppo hostage? They had a chance to give up their arms a month ago. All they had to do was separate themselves into rebel and jihadi factions, which they failed to do. Instead, you repeat terrorist symp propaganda. That seems to make you terrorist symps too.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:27 PM (P)

Uh huh.

If they didn't want to give up their arms, why didn't they take the second option? Instead, they soldiered on under the FSA-banner: a mixed bag of Turkish, Chechen, Saudi, and Tunisian terrorists and their so-called "pro-democracy" Syrian brethren.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

THGRRI

Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:32 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Air strikes on the Syrian city of Aleppo have killed at least 28 people, including children, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

I'm going to point out, once again, that this "Observatory for Human Rights" is one guy in London. That's about as credible as asking one anti-Castro expat in a Miami condo about the situation in Cuba. But western media rebroadcasts his shit without question.

“Pro-Democracy Terrorism”: The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is a Propaganda Front funded by the EU
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-syrian-observatory-for-human-rights-i
s-a-propaganda-front-funded-by-the-eu-its-objective-is-to-justify-pro-democracy-terrorism/5331072

Quote:
Syrian Government forces seized control of the only road going into rebel-held eastern Aleppo on Sunday, leaving no way for people or supplies to get in or out of the opposition-controlled area.

"They are only a few hundred meters away, they are having fun, waiting for any civilians to pass," 27-year-old human rights activist Muhammad Zain said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-19/thousands-trapped-in-rebel-held-
aleppo-as-supplies-run-low/7640044

A "human rights activist" in the part of Aleppo that has been controlled by al Qaida for over a year? And I suppose this "human rights activist" was protesting the trampling of human rights by jihadi terrorists that whole time, correct?

Uh huh.

Quote:
"Really Aleppo is just another scale entirely," said James Sadri, the director of The Syria Campaign in Beirut, an advocacy group that calls for humanitarian action in the war-ravaged country. Mr Sadri said it was unjustifiable that the world had failed to act to help protect civilians in Aleppo.
"You know we have got four of the five permanent security members that are now flying in Syrian airspace and yet none of them is doing anything to stop this aerial war on these civilians which is now focused on Aleppo," Mr Sadri said.

There was a cessation of hostilities a month and some ago. Russia was pushing for a full cease-fire, it was the USA who was hanging back.

al Nusra, al Qaida, ISIL, and their various affiliates weren't part of that cessation of hostilities, but any Syrian rebel who laid down his or her arms nad was willing to separate out from foreign jihadist would have been accepted into the cessation of hostilities. Russia repeatedly asked the USA to provide coordinates of "loyal opposition" rebels so that they wouldn't be targeted, which the USA repeatedly refused to provide. In fact, the jihadists and their Turkish, Saudi, and USA-suppliers used that time to regroup and re-arm. Jihadists and Muslim extremists have been holding part of eastern Aleppo hostage for over a year. They're about to get their comeuppance.

So why don't you bitch about those fucking terrorists who are holding eastern Aleppo hostage? They had a chance to give up their arms a month ago. All they had to do was separate themselves into rebel and jihadi factions, which they failed to do. Instead, you repeat terrorist symp propaganda. That seems to make you terrorist symps too.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

Sorry, I thought you would address Russia's use of cluster bombs and targeting of hospitals. Silly me

SIG, you have nothing but an Ideological perspective if you don't address all the facts. And that is what my posts are generally about. Pointing out when you start another of your endless threads, that you are as always, posting to your agenda. Russia good west bad, and perpetuate a feeling of do

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 20, 2016 4:18 PM (P)

Syria conflict: Rebels 'filmed beheading boy' in Aleppo

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Videos have emerged online that appear to show Syrian rebels taunting and then beheading a boy they say is a captured Palestinian pro-government fighter. One video shows five men posing with the frightened child, who could be as young as 10, in the back of a truck. One of the men grips him by the hair. The same man is later filmed apparently cutting the boy's head off. The incident is reported to have taken place in Handarat, north of Aleppo, where there has been heavy fighting.

... A report published by the human rights group Amnesty International earlier this month detailed a series of violations allegedly committed by Nour al-Din al-Zinki Movement fighters, including abductions and torture.

The group is reported to have benefited from financial and military support from the US, UK, France, Turkey, Qatar and other Gulf Arab states in the past.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36835678

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

THGRRI

Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:30 AM (P)

Sorry, I thought you would address Russia's use of cluster bombs and targeting of hospitals. Silly me

SIG, you have nothing but an Ideological perspective if you don't address all the facts. And that is what my posts are generally about. Pointing out when you start another of your endless threads, that you are as always, posting to your agenda. Russia good west bad, and perpetuate a feeling of doom about America's actions and prospects.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:43 AM (P)

Another French success: France bombs 120 civilians in Syria - 'retaliation' for Nice?

Quote:
Just days after Tunisian-born French resident Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel drove a truck into a crowded Bastille Day celebration in Nice, France, killing at least 84, a French-led bombing attack on the Syrian villages of Tokhar and Hoshariyeh today has reportedly killed more than 120 civilians.

Mainstream media and even the rebel-friendly Syrian Observatory for Human Rights have confirmed the killings and the civilian victims.

https://www.sott.net/article/322605-Another-French-success-France-bomb
s-120-civilians-in-Syria-retaliation-for-Nice

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

KPO

Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Mainstream media and even the rebel-friendly Syrian Observatory for Human Rights have confirmed the killings and the civilian victims.

Siggy: "SOHR is a propaganda front run by one guy in London and has zero credibility."

3 posts later -

*cites SOHR as evidence for the US coalition killing civilians*

*COUGH*Hypocrite*COUGH*

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:12 PM (P)

KRAPO

Quote:
Mainstream media and even the rebel-friendly Syrian Observatory for Human Rights have confirmed the killings and the civilian victims.- SIGNY

"SOHR is a propaganda front run by one guy in London and has zero credibility."3 posts later - *cites [MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND EVEN] SOHR as evidence for the US coalition killing civilians*- KRAPO

How about this, KRAPO? I'll disbelieve everything SOHR says if you do, too.

GSTRING

Quote:
Looking at this article even you must have been struck by how many IF runs throughout:
appear
they say
who could be
apparently
allegedly
The group is *reported* (by whom?) to have benefited from financial and military support from the US, UK, France, Turkey, Qatar and other Gulf Arab states in the past.- GSTRING

Well, even the State Department says they've been backing this particular group.

Another epic fail on your part.

In reality- the reality that you try so hard to deny- a large part of the "FSA" consists of Wahhabi Sunni extremists - many of them foreign- fighting under the "FSA" flag. Whatever pro-democracy elements may have made up the FSA in the beginning have been overwhelmed by Sunni extremists, both foreign and Syrian, and the "FSA" hardly deserves your continued devotion to the fiction of "pro-democracy freedom fighters".

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

KPO

Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
I am dubious of any source (in this case SOTT) whose previous articles make such broad, targeted assumptions:

- Failed coup in Turkey has thrown a wrench in Washington's "pivot" plan (dang it!)
- Obama makes war in Europe a priority over the war on blacks at home (Cripes, really??? He's only got a few months left!)
- The troubling links between Killary and influential Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen (Damn! Of course!)

Typical Siggy source. Don't miss out the mass of 9/11 conspiracy/truther articles, e.g. - "Today marks the 15th anniversary of US government planning for 9/11"
https://www.sott.net/article/296946-Today-marks-the-15th-anniversary-o
f-US-Government-planning-for-9-11

Same thing with GlobalResearch, which Sig posted just a few posts before - "9/11: The Mother of All Big Lies"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/911-the-mother-of-all-big-lies/5400986

Internet nutjobs or Russian state propaganda... It's always one or the other with Sig/kiki*. As if this wasn't bad enough they lecture others for buying into "propaganda bullshit"

*Oh yes, there was also that neo-Nazi video they were so fond of.

KPO

Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:05 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
KRAPO
Quote:
Mainstream media and even the rebel-friendly Syrian Observatory for Human Rights have confirmed the killings and the civilian victims.- SIGNY

"SOHR is a propaganda front run by one guy in London and has zero credibility."3 posts later - *cites [MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND EVEN] SOHR as evidence for the US coalition killing civilians*- KRAPO
How about this, KRAPO? I'll disbelieve everything SOHR says if you do, too.

Well at the moment you disbelieve all SOHR/monitoring groups' reports that speak of Russian/Assad civilian deaths, but believe without question their reports that speak of US coalition civilian deaths. You underline the words 'mainstream media' - yes mainstream media reported this instance of civilian deaths in Manjib, but what sources do you think they were quoting? The SOHR, and other similar monitoring groups of course. There's no deal I can strike with you that will get you to have intellectual standards, if you fail so utterly to impose them on yourself. Nor am I willing to compromise my own intellectual standards for such a bargain.

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