Russia wants to upend Western democracy
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Reddit's Largest Pro-Trump Subreddit Appears To Have Been Targeted By Russian Propaganda For Years
A handful of articles from websites with connections to Russia's infamous troll factory have been shared thousands of times on /r/The_Donald.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/reddits-largest-pro-trump-subre
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How much do they pay you?
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Reddit's Largest Pro-Trump Subreddit Appears To Have Been Targeted By Russian Propaganda For Years
A handful of articles from websites with connections to Russia's infamous troll factory have been shared thousands of times on /r/The_Donald.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/reddits-largest-pro-trump-subre
ddit-appears-to-have-been
.a handful. .thousands. .OMG. In a country of 365+ million people and a daily online space of trillions of tweets, posts, and shares, a handful - five or less - out of trillions, have been shared thousands of times, maybe even as few as 2,000 - out of trillions.
GRAB YOUR GUN, GRANNY RF!!! THEY'RE AT THE DOOR !!!!!!!!!!!!
And this:
Quote:... saved for a rainy day.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
How much do they pay you?
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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You're a Russian troll. How much do they pay you?
Here's the rubles-to-dollars calculator for you.
https://www.x-rates.com/calculator/?from=RUB&to=USD&amount=1
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
You're a Russian troll. How much do they pay you?
Here's the rubles-to-dollars calculator for you.
https://www.x-rates.com/calculator/?from=RUB&to=USD&amount=1
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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I'm just curious how often you'll duck a topical response to your ridiculous post.
.a handful. .thousands. .OMG. In a country of 365+ million people and a daily online space of trillions of tweets, posts, and shares, a handful - five or less - out of trillions, have been shared thousands of times, maybe even as few as 2,000 - out of trillions.
GRAB YOUR GUN, GRANNY RF!!! THEY'RE AT THE DOOR !!!!!!!!!!!!
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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They can't help but identify themselves as russian trolls reaverfan. They defend russia against anything and everything negative said about the Bolshevik state. All the while posting anything and everything negative they can find or make up about the United States.
Hey comrades
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Originally posted by THG:
They can't help but identify themselves as russian trolls reaverfan. They defend russia against anything and everything negative said about the Bolshevik state. All the while posting anything and everything negative they can find or make up about the United States.
Hey comrades
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THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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I'm just curious how often you'll duck a topical response to your ridiculous post.
.a handful. .thousands. .OMG. In a country of 365+ million people and a daily online space of trillions of tweets, posts, and shares, a handful - five or less - out of trillions, have been shared thousands of times, maybe even as few as 2,000 - out of trillions.
GRAB YOUR GUN, GRANNY RF!!! THEY'RE AT THE DOOR !!!!!!!!!!!!
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm just curious how often you'll duck a topical response to your ridiculous post.
.a handful. .thousands. .OMG. In a country of 365+ million people and a daily online space of trillions of tweets, posts, and shares, a handful - five or less - out of trillions, have been shared thousands of times, maybe even as few as 2,000 - out of trillions.
GRAB YOUR GUN, GRANNY RF!!! THEY'RE AT THE DOOR !!!!!!!!!!!!
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
Just look at your signature regarding me kiki. That there shows who the lair is. It's there for all to see.
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Quote:It's LIAR, not lair.
Just look at your signature regarding me kiki. That there shows who the lair is. It's there for all to see. - THUgR
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You're a Russian troll. How much do they pay you?
Here's the rubles-to-dollars calculator for you. -SHITHITTHE
This is what REAVER resorts to whenever he has NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING ... relevant to post. Wow, what a troll.
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Army is considering more electronic warfare teams, longer tours
KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany – The Army is adding more personnel to its electronic warfare and air defense teams to keep up with emerging global threats, Army Secretary Mark Esper said following discussions with servicemembers and officials in Germany on Monday.
The Army’s transition comes at a time when it is reshaping its force to deal with potential threats from near-peer adversaries like Russia and away from counterinsurgency campaigns that have dominated recent U.S. warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan.
https://www.stripes.com/news/esper-army-is-considering-more-electronic
-warfare-teams-longer-tours-1.548970
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THUGR ... Before we start worrying about "western" democracy, let's start with worrying about OURS.
So, what are the bases of our democracy?
Well, we can look to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for our clues:
Separation of powers.
States' rights.
Right to vote.
Free speech.
Right to own weapons.
Freedom from warrantless search and seizure.
Due process, equal to all.
Right to a speedy public trial by a jury of peers.
No excessive bail.
https://constitution.com/bill-rights/
I frankly do not see how Russia HAS interfered with any of this, and altho I can imagine how Russia COULD interfere with the vote- for example, by literally hacking the voter rolls or the count, the rest of it is up to us, isn't it?
All of the transgressions of our democracy have been by OUR GOVERNMENT, as far as I can tell.
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Quote:The truth stings, doesn't it?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:It's LIAR, not lair.
Just look at your signature regarding me kiki. That there shows who the lair is. It's there for all to see. - THUgRQuote:
You're a Russian troll. How much do they pay you?
Here's the rubles-to-dollars calculator for you. -SHITHITTHE
This is what REAVER resorts to whenever he has NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING ... relevant to post. Wow, what a troll.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:The truth stings, doesn't it?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:It's LIAR, not lair.
Just look at your signature regarding me kiki. That there shows who the lair is. It's there for all to see. - THUgRQuote:
You're a Russian troll. How much do they pay you?
Here's the rubles-to-dollars calculator for you. -SHITHITTHE
This is what REAVER resorts to whenever he has NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING ... relevant to post. Wow, what a troll.
My responses to Sigs posts are pretty consistent. Fuck you comrade troll.
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Quote:Yes, and you should know.
This is what REAVER resorts to whenever he has NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING ... relevant to post. Wow, what a troll.-SIGNY
The truth stings, doesn't it? -SHIT
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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THUGR, please stop running way from this challenge:
Quote:
THUGR ... Before we start worrying about "western" democracy, let's start with worrying about OURS.
So, what are the bases of our democracy?
Well, we can look to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for our clues:
Separation of powers.
States' rights.
Right to vote.
Free speech.
Right to own weapons.
Freedom from warrantless search and seizure.
Due process, equal to all.
Right to a speedy public trial by a jury of peers.
No excessive bail.
https://constitution.com/bill-rights/
I frankly do not see how Russia HAS interfered with any of this, and altho I can imagine how Russia COULD interfere with the vote- for example, by literally hacking the voter rolls or the count, the rest of it is up to us, isn't it?
All of the transgressions of our democracy have been by OUR GOVERNMENT, as far as I can tell.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yes, and you should know.
This is what REAVER resorts to whenever he has NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING ... relevant to post. Wow, what a troll.-SIGNY
The truth stings, doesn't it? -SHIT
Sig is arguing with herself again. I find that funny. Does anyone else find that funny?
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THUGGER,
I'm just curious how often you'll duck a topical response to your ridiculous post.
.a handful. .thousands. .OMG. In a country of 365+ million people and a daily online space of trillions of tweets, posts, and shares, a handful - five or less - out of trillions, have been shared thousands of times, maybe even as few as 2,000 - out of trillions.
GRAB YOUR GUN, GRANNY RF!!! THEY'RE AT THE DOOR !!!!!!!!!!!!
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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It looks like THUGR doesn't even know what democracy is.
Quote:
THUGR ... Before we start worrying about "western" democracy, let's start with worrying about OURS.
So, what are the bases of our democracy?
Well, we can look to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for our clues:
Separation of powers.
States' rights.
Right to vote.
Free speech.
Right to own weapons.
Freedom from warrantless search and seizure.
Due process, equal to all.
Right to a speedy public trial by a jury of peers.
No excessive bail.
https://constitution.com/bill-rights/
I frankly do not see how Russia HAS interfered with any of this, and altho I can imagine how Russia COULD interfere with the vote- for example, by literally hacking the voter rolls or the count, the rest of it is up to us, isn't it?
All of the transgressions of our democracy have been by OUR GOVERNMENT, as far as I can tell.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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I see comrade kiki is still trying to push the tired narrative nothing to see folks move on. Despite the fact that there is an investigation into all of this. An investigation so involved the world is not only watching but saying me too. An investigation that shows the Russians were up to their necks in interfering into our elections. comrade
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I see THUGR continues to run away from his very own thesis of "protecting democracy".
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Quote:And not just in the US.
Originally posted by THG:
I see comrade kiki is still trying to push the tired narrative nothing to see folks move on. Despite the fact that there is an investigation into all of this. An investigation so involved the world is not only watching but saying me too. An investigation that shows the Russians were up to their necks in interfering into our elections.
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These Countries Have Been the Target of Russian Election Interference
https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-cities/nations-russia-putin-
election-interference.html/
According to a report from USA Today, Russia has interfered in dozens of elections since 2004. The total adds up to 27 countries over the course of 12 years, but it appears that none have been more consequential than last year’s presidential race. Again, though — 2016 looks like it was just the tip of the iceberg. Since November 2016, Russia has been hard at it in other countries, too.
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Quote:And not just in the US.
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I see comrade kiki is still trying to push the tired narrative nothing to see folks move on. Despite the fact that there is an investigation into all of this. An investigation so involved the world is not only watching but saying me too. An investigation that shows the Russians were up to their necks in interfering into our elections.
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These Countries Have Been the Target of Russian Election Interference
https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-cities/nations-russia-putin-
election-interference.html/
According to a report from USA Today, Russia has interfered in dozens of elections since 2004. The total adds up to 27 countries over the course of 12 years, but it appears that none have been more consequential than last year’s presidential race. Again, though — 2016 looks like it was just the tip of the iceberg. Since November 2016, Russia has been hard at it in other countries, too.
Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.
I'm not saying that I condone Russia's interference. I'm just pointing out that anybody vilifying Russia for doing this is either completely ignorant of what exactly it is that the US Government does, or is so full of hubris that they think we should be the only ones doing it. The latter being entirely hypocritical coming from someone who has such a high opinion of the UN in relation to American politics.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.- SIX
Apparently nobody wants to, altho there are more than a few examples of us interfering with bullets instead of a few tweets.
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Anyway, I'd like to get back to THUGR's concern that Russia wants to "upend Western democracy". I think before we start worrying about "western" democracy, let's start with worrying about OURS.
So, what are the bases of our democracy? As I posted before, I think we can look to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for our clues:
Separation of powers.
States' rights.
Right to vote.
Free speech.
Right to own weapons.
Freedom from warrantless search and seizure.
Due process, equal to all.
Right to a speedy public trial by a jury of peers.
No excessive bail.
https://constitution.com/bill-rights/
How has Russia upended them?
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The reason why I keep coming back to the question of what it takes to protect ... or conversely, upend ... democracy is because I see so many people actually trampling democracy in their (presumed) rush to "protect" it.
Let's start with 9-11, an attack (of some sort) on America. People were killed, and terror was instilled in the hearts of many. And yet, instead of PROTECTING our democracy by preserving the very protections and freedoms that are supposed to be its basis, the Bush administration whipped out a (conveniently pre-written) piece of legislation called the Patriot Act which allows our so-called "security agencies" broad powers such as the Founding Fathers never dreamed: "sneak and peek" searches; warrants that are so secret that merely revealing their existence is a crime; warrantless access to commercially-kept records; cooperation between the CIA, FSA, and FBI etc etc. Between that, the creation of "Homeland Security"; the (secret) institution of near-universal warrantless electronic surveillance; and the imprisonment and execution of American citizens without a jury trial I think Bush and Obama did more to destroy "democracy" than bin Laden ever did.
That's just one example; I hope that THUGR, REAVER, etc will come to the defense of democracy and tell us how it can be saved without being destroyed in the process.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
[That is hilarious coming from a Russian troll. Someone who is trying to delegitimize the main stream media in America by claiming they are all fake news.
Yep hilarious too, because it's your guy Trump who's trying to do that as well.
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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Quote:We've always meddled in other countries. That doesn't make what Putin does okay. He's the richest, most powerful man in the world, and he didn't get there by giving a shit about anyone else.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.
I'm not saying that I condone Russia's interference. I'm just pointing out that anybody vilifying Russia for doing this is either completely ignorant of what exactly it is that the US Government does, or is so full of hubris that they think we should be the only ones doing it. The latter being entirely hypocritical coming from someone who has such a high opinion of the UN in relation to American politics.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:We've always meddled in other countries. That doesn't make what Putin does okay. He's the richest, most powerful man in the world, and he didn't get there by giving a shit about anyone else.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.
I'm not saying that I condone Russia's interference. I'm just pointing out that anybody vilifying Russia for doing this is either completely ignorant of what exactly it is that the US Government does, or is so full of hubris that they think we should be the only ones doing it. The latter being entirely hypocritical coming from someone who has such a high opinion of the UN in relation to American politics.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Again. I never said it was okay.
All I said was that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
[That is hilarious coming from a Russian troll. Someone who is trying to delegitimize the main stream media in America by claiming they are all fake news.
Yep hilarious too, because it's your guy Trump who's trying to do that as well.
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
What our stupid russian defending trolls have yet to figure out, is that if you read the thread you see who defends russia and who does not. If you read any of the threads that mention russia you see who deflects negative stories away and defends russia, and who it is that posts the factual negative stories about russia.
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Quote:What our stupid troll THUGR has yet to figure out is that this isn't about "attacking" of "defending" Russia (or at least, it shouldn't be), but DEFENDING OUR DEMOCRACY.
What our stupid russian defending trolls have yet to figure out, is that if you read the thread you see who defends russia and who does not.
So THUGR, is there any way to "defend" democracy WITHOUT trampling it to death in an eagerness to attack other countries?
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No comrade SIG, it's all about getting to the bottom of Putins interference and what he has on Trump that's the threat you refuse to acknowledge. Which is completely in character for a Russian troll.
Mueller says tick tock
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Quote:Hard to "defend our democracy" when you live in an entirely different country on the other side of the world. Siggy doesn't live in our democracy, if it can be called that.
Originally posted by THG:
No comrade SIG, it's all about getting to the bottom of Putins interference and what he has on Trump that's the threat you refuse to acknowledge. Which is completely in character of a Russian troll.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Hard to "defend our democracy" when you live in an entirely different country on the other side of the world. Siggy doesn't live in our democracy, if it can be called that.
Originally posted by THG:
No comrade SIG, it's all about getting to the bottom of Putins interference and what he has on Trump that's the threat you refuse to acknowledge. Which is completely in character of a Russian troll.
It's obvious in many of her posts she is clueless about how our democratic institutions work. Her posts also show she works to undermine those institutions daily.
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No comrade SIG, it's all about getting to the bottom of Putins interference and what he has on Trump that's the threat you refuse to acknowledge. Which is completely in character of a Russian troll.- THUGR
Hard to "defend our democracy" when you live in an entirely different country on the other side of the world. Siggy doesn't live in our democracy, if it can be called that.- SHIT
CUE THE LIBELOUS PERSONAL ATTACK IN 3... 2... 1...
I noticed that you have NOTHING TO SAY ON DEFENDING DEMOCRACY. You two are soooo concerned about Russia, one would almost think that YOU live there.
I've provided one example of how "defending democracy" against "terrorism" has cost us a big chunk ... of our democracy. I can point out similar examples how we, in our stampede to "defend democracy" have done a great deal to undercut it more than any outsider could have done.
So, do you have any ideas how to "defend democracy" without trampling it to death? Or do you just want to continue trampling on the Constitution in your eagerness to attack Russia (or "terrorism", or "fascism")?
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Getting to the bottom of Russia's interference in our elections and finding out why Trump is so beholding to Putin is defending our democracy. Hence the Russia investigation. Only a Russian troll would suggest otherwise.
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Quote:presumed
Getting to the bottom of Russia's
Quote:allegedly
interference in our elections and finding out why Trump is so
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so beholding [sic] to Putin defending our democracy
Uh huh.
Say, how do you feel about hand-marked ballots, counted by hand? I think that's a better "defense of democracy" than all of your accusations, libel, and spittle, don't you think?
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Russian troll's gonna troll.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Russian troll's gonna troll.
She just can't help herself.
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Well, remind me never to pay attention to you any time you say you want to "defend democracy" because ... CLEARLY ... you have no intention of doing any such thing.
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Comrade Sigs goal is always out of her reach. To bad comrade.
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Well, remind me never to pay attention to you any time you say you want to "defend democracy" because ... CLEARLY ... you have no intention of doing any such thing.
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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At UN, Russia says meddling claims baseless, slams the US
UNITED NATIONS — Russia’s foreign minister trashed accusations of Russian meddling abroad as “baseless” and used the podium at the U.N.’s biggest event to tear into U.S. policies in Iran, Syria and Venezuela. He later declared that U.S.-Russian relations “are bad and probably at their all-time low.”
In a rapid-fire, unforgiving speech Friday, Sergey Lavrov pounded away at “self-serving” unilateral moves by U.S. President Donald Trump and assailed crippling Western sanctions against Russia as “political blackmail.”
Lavrov deflected accusations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, a nerve agent attack in Britain and other meddling abroad — despite mounting evidence of a broad, coordinated influence campaign.
He criticized “baseless accusations of interference in the internal affairs of certain countries” and turned it around against the West, accusing unnamed forces of “overt endeavors to undermine democratically elected governments,” in an apparent reference to U.S. and EU support for Russia’s neighbors and the Syrian opposition.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/at-un-russia-says-med
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Justice Dept. indicts 7 Russian intelligence officers in international hacking scheme
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/justice-department-russian-int
elligence-officers/index.html
The Justice Department on Thursday announced criminal charges against seven Russian intelligence officers, accusing them in a sprawling indictment of hacking, wire fraud, identity theft and money laundering as part of an effort to distract from Russia's state-sponsored doping program.
Three of the defendants were also charged in the hacking of US persons involved in the 2016 election, Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division John Demers said during a news conference, but the current indictment does not arise out of special counsel Robert Mueller's work.
According to the indictment, all seven defendants are members of the GRU, a Russian Federation intelligence agency within the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Russian military. They are accused of sophisticated cyberintrusions and the victims were anti-doping agencies and officials, sporting federations, and nearly 250 athletes.
In addition to anti-doping agencies, the GRU targeted others, including the Westinghouse Electric Corporation, a nuclear energy company in Pennsylvania.
The indictment alleges the GRU officers used spearphishing emails, fictitious personas and researched their victims.
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Nunes buried evidence on Russian meddling to protect Trump. I know because I’m on the committee
https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/op-ed/article219558065.html
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Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and his ties to Russian Operative Natalia Veselnitskaya.
Two months ago Republican Congressman Rohrabacher was defending and normalizing Russia's attacks against the U.S.[1]
Republican Congressman Rohrabacher and President Trump were two individuals that Republican House Majority leader Kevin McCarthy claimed were paid by Putin. It was during this conversation where Republican Speaker of the House Paul Ryan interjected and swore those present to secrecy, stopping the conversation.[2]
"There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016
... Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks. . . . This is how we know we’re a real family here.”
One of the Russian operatives present at the infamous Trump Tower meeting,[3] Natalia Veselnitskaya - an outspoken opponent of the Magnitsky Act,[4] was present at a black-tie inauguration event hosted by Congressman Rohrabacher.[5] Congressman Rohrabacher met with Julian Assange in 2017, he attempted to convince President Trump to absolve Assange of any legal troubles he may face in the United States.[6]
Yesterday Russian Deputy Attorney General Saak Karapetyan was killed in a helicopter accident in Russia, he directed Russian operative Natalia Veselnitskaya.^[7]
Bloomberg - Rep. Rohrabacher Likens U.S. Actions to Russian Meddling
Washington Post - House majority leader to colleagues in 2016: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump
New York Times - Trump Team Met With Lawyer Linked to Kremlin During Campaign
The Atlantic - Why Does the Kremlin Care So Much About the Magnitsky Act?
Washington Post - In the crowd at Trump’s inauguration, members of Russia’s elite anticipated a thaw between Moscow and Washington
CNBC - A GOP congressman reportedly offered Trump a deal on absolving WikiLeaks' Assange
Radio Free Europe Radio Liberty - Russian Prosecutor Linked to Trump Tower Lawyer, Other Kremlin Intrigue, Dies In Chopper Crash
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Republican Congressman and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes has been covering up the Russia/Trump scandal, he preemptively shut down the House Intelligence Investigation.
Representative Nunes and other leaders of the Republican party have been complicit in allowing a foreign adversary attack the United States of America. In fact they are openly inviting further interference.
4th of July, 2018 A group of Republican Senators travel to Moscow and meet Foreign Minister Lavrov.[1] Russian state propaganda brazenly asserted that “Trump is ours,” and joke that the U.S. lawmakers traveled to Russia *“to make deals with our hackers, so they can rig the midterms in favor of Trump’s team."*[2]
18th of July, 2018 House Republicans refuse to renew election security funding.[3]
1st of August, 2018 Republican Senators block $250 million amendment for election security.[4]
1st of August, 2018 In a joint press conference top Trump administration officials Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, FBI Director Chris Wray, National Security Advisor John Bolton, and NSA Director General Paul Nakasone accuse Russia of continuing their information warfare and election meddling against the United States of America.[5]
6th of August, 2018 Republican Senator Rand Paul invites Russian politicians to Washington.[6]
8th of August, 2018 Republican Senator Rand Paul visits Moscow and delivers a letter from President Trump to President Vladimir Putin.[7]
25th of September, 2018 Senator Rand Paul filed an amendment to remove Russia sanctions.[8]
President Trump and the Republican party leadership have been complicit in refusing to address Russian aggression, in fact they are inviting more interference. Russia is taking full advantage of America's biggest weakness - their division on what to do about Russia as many GOP lawmakers refuse to admit that Russia is actively attacking American institutions and infrastructure. For example a recording of Republican Congressman Devin Nunes talking at a GOP fundraiser was leaked recently, he implored the guests to support him and the Republican party so that they could protect President Trump from the Russia probe.[9] Representative Nunes is the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, he led a vote in the committee to shut down their Russia probe investigation several months ago.[10] Devin Nunes put an end to the investigation when we know of at least 70 contacts between the Trump team and Russia-linked operatives, the committee obtained either no or incomplete information about 81% of known contacts between Trump officials and Russians.[11]
Roll Call - Senate Republicans Meet Lavrov in Moscow Ahead of Trump-Putin Summit
Washington Post - On Russian state TV, Putin has already won the summit with Trump
Washington Post - House GOP refuses to renew election security funding as Democrats fume over Russian interference
Wall Street Journal - Senate Republicans Block $250 Million Election Security Measure
BBC - US accuses Russia of 'pervasive' election meddling
Reuters - Senator Rand Paul invites Russian lawmakers to Washington
Politico - Rand Paul delivers letter from Trump to Putin
Courier Journal - Report: Sen. Rand Paul files amendment to remove Russia sanctions
PBS - Secret recording highlights Nunes’ concern with protecting Trump in Russia probe
Reuters - Republicans shut down House Russia probe over Democratic objections
NBC - House probe overlooked most Trump-Russia contacts, report claims
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Would Trump be president without Russia? Probably not, says Penn prof. Kathleen Hall Jamieson
https://www.thedp.com/article/2018/10/kathleen-hall-jamieson-russia-20
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"“First, I wouldn’t call it Russian meddling— that’s a benign term and I don’t think anything they did was benign,” Jamieson said.
For her, it’s a vital distinction. When the press uses words such as “meddling” and “interfering,” it can downplay the significance of what occurred, Jamieson said.
“I want to call this cyberattack. We were attacked by the Russians,” Jamieson said.
Jamieson stated the hacking of emails from Hillary Clinton, her campaign chairman, and the Democratic National Committee were attempts to discredit Clinton and frame her as untrustworthy to undecided voters.
“They attacked the private email and private content of candidates and a political party essentially, and then released it into our media system,” Jamieson said.
The main areas of the attack, according to Jamieson, center on Russian hackers spreading misinformation and influencing voters.
“They came into our social media structures and pretended they were other people, pretended they were like us, and used those identities to spread fear and anger and prejudice in ways that were consistent with Donald Trump’s objectives,” Jamieson said."
We've got trolls right here who do the same thing!
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If "the people" are so weak-minded that they can be influenced by 0.001% content, then there's a lot more wrong with democracy than Russia.
People SHOULD be mentally much more robust to outside ideas; they should be able to parse information rationally no matter what the source; remember what happened ten days .. or ten years... ago; and be able to identify their own interests so that they can judge campaign promises realistically.
It's people who respond purely emotionally, who can't identify their own interests clearly, who are vulnerable to advertising and propaganda who are the biggest weak point in democracy.
The answer to this problem isn't to further infantilize people by packing them in cotton wool and keeping them in the dark, but to equip them with the tools of logic and expose them to "the marketplace of ideas".
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"Jamieson stated the hacking of emails from Hillary Clinton, her campaign chairman, and the Democratic National Committee were attempts to discredit Clinton and frame her as untrustworthy to undecided voters."
This is misleading. Clinton's (private server on which she conducted State Department official business) was never publicly breached. The fact that she scrubbed the server after it was subpoenaed did, and should have, reflected badly on her as 'untrustworthy. And, since I need to point it out: that was Clinton's decision that had nothing to do with 'Russia'.
Podesta's email was breached in a phishing campaign.
And researchers as well as Assange - who received the emails from a known person - both say the DNC server was not hacked by Russians, it was locally copied to a portable drive by a person with official access.
But hey - never let the facts get in the way of the narrative!
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We've got trolls right here who do the same thing!
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People SHOULD be mentally much more robust to outside ideas; they should be able to parse information rationally no matter what the source; remember what happened ten days .. or ten years... ago; and be able to identify their own interests so that they can judge campaign promises realistically.
"SHOULD" - that's funny. You owe me another keyboard. The People have proven they are not reliable when it comes to thinking - look at your typical Trump supporter. Dumb as dirt. The very people Trump sh*ts on, they're at his rallies slurping him up. That's why Russia's hacking was so successful and why they keep doing it everywhere they can. But... you... know... all... this...
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One way to bring America up to speed is to dump us into the rough-and-tumble of free speech. Shadow-banning/ censorship is NOT the way to sharpen the intellect. And running into the deep dark echo-chamber of preference simply guarantees that you will remain as stupid and gullible as you were before.
Hell, if you can't come up with RATIONAL argument for what your POV is better than something on RT (for example) then you must be stupider than the average Russian.
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Quote:That's rich, coming from a Russian troll.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One way to bring America up to speed is to dump us into the rough-and-tumble of free speech. Shadow-banning/ censorship is NOT the way to sharpen the intellect. And running into the deep dark echo-chamber of preference simply guarantees that you will remain as stupid and gullible as you were before.
Your opinions are shit. Your "intellect" consists of parroted talking points. Lying for a living. Your life is shit.
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That's rich, coming from a troll.
Your opinions are shit. Your "intellect" consists of personal attacks. Trolling for a living. Your life is shit, and so are you.
****
Now, at some point do you think you might come up with something OTHER THAN defamatory personal attacks? ANY display of logic, analysis, or intellect? A discussion of THE ISSUES? Or will you continue to reside in your own asshole for the foreseeable future?
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You're shit. That's just a known fact.
Certainly not an American, and your talking points give you away.
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You don't agree with my childlike, narrow-minded view of the world, therefore you can't be one of the 320+ Million people with a US Zipcode.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Russian Oligarch Funded ‘Troll Farm’ To Interfere In 2018 Midterm Elections: Feds
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/midterms-russian-interference_us_
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We're Seeing The Death Of Democracy In America & Europe
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I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.
Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!
Spare me.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Russian Oligarch Funded ‘Troll Farm’ To Interfere In 2018 Midterm Elections: Feds
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Hey look!
HuffPo was lying about this in 2018 too!
But the good news is, we beat the Russians in the mid-terms, so we didn't have to hear about it again until the impeachment hearing.
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Former Ukraine finance minister:
Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.
"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
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Define "Liberal Democracy"
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Even though Jack is sitting at a computer when he asks what is Liberal Democracy he can't figure how to find out what it is by himself.
Here you go dummy. A liberal Democracy is what Trump along with you trolls, claim to want while trying your damndest to destroy it.
Liberal democracy is a liberal political ideology and a form of government in which representative democracy operates under the principles of classical liberalism. Also referred to as Western democracy, it is characterised by elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, a market economy with private property and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties and political freedoms for all people. To define the system in practice, liberal democracies often draw upon a constitution, either formally written or uncodified, to delineate the powers of government and enshrine the social contract. After a period of sustained expansion throughout the 20th century, liberal democracy became the predominant political system in the world.
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From where I'm sitting, that's exactly what you Lefty Looney Toons are trying to tear down.
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Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'
Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
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From where I'm sitting, that's exactly what you Lefty Looney Toons are trying to tear down.
Lindsey Graham says he's '1,000% confident' Russia meddled in 2016 US election -- not Ukraine
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham on Tuesday said he is "1,000% confident" that Russia, not Ukraine, meddled in the 2016 US presidential election, breaking from President Donald Trump and others in his party who have pushed the discredited conspiracy theory.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lindsey-graham-says-hes-1000pe
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Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'
Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
nalists-as-foreign-agents/ar-BBXGvc7?ocid=spartandhp
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Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'
Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
nalists-as-foreign-agents/ar-BBXGvc7?ocid=spartandhp
Dear comrades kiki, and sig. While you're bashing America, your homeland is crumbling. It's turning into one big gulag. A country that is just one big penal system. Don't forget to show your papers when you visit your relatives there.
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Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'
Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
nalists-as-foreign-agents/ar-BBXGvc7?ocid=spartandhp
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
From where I'm sitting, that's exactly what you Lefty Looney Toons are trying to tear down.
Lindsey Graham says he's '1,000% confident' Russia meddled in 2016 US election -- not Ukraine
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham on Tuesday said he is "1,000% confident" that Russia, not Ukraine, meddled in the 2016 US presidential election, breaking from President Donald Trump and others in his party who have pushed the discredited conspiracy theory.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lindsey-graham-says-hes-1000pe
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I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.
Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!
Spare me.
A liberal democracy is a form of representative democracy in which elected representatives who hold power are limited by a constitution that emphasizes protecting individual liberties, equality and the rights of minority groups. Among the many liberties that might be protected are freedom of speech and assembly, freedom of religion, the right to private property and privacy as well as equality before the law and due process under the rule of law. Such constitutional rights, also called liberal rights, are guaranteed through various controlled institutions and statutory laws. Additionally, the constitutions of most contemporary liberal democracies prohibits majoritarianism, which is rule by the will of majority, when it harms those in the minority.
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Former Ukraine finance minister:
Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.
"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
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GOP Still Refuses To Protect U.S. From Russian Interference
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.
Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!
Spare me.
A liberal democracy is a form of representative democracy in which elected representatives who hold power are limited by a constitution that emphasizes protecting individual liberties, equality and the rights of minority groups. Among the many liberties that might be protected are freedom of speech and assembly, freedom of religion, the right to private property and privacy as well as equality before the law and due process under the rule of law. Such constitutional rights, also called liberal rights, are guaranteed through various controlled institutions and statutory laws. Additionally, the constitutions of most contemporary liberal democracies prohibits majoritarianism, which is rule by the will of majority, when it harms those in the minority.
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Do you suppose that Democrat politicians are aware of that and they're just ignoring it?
Because everything that they say and do today are in complete contradiction with that mission statement.
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I'll let second explain it to you moron. I'm sure he'll be by shortly.
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I'll let second explain it to you moron. I'm sure he'll be by shortly.
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lol
He's going to explain to me how the definition of Liberal Democracy is not what Democrat voters or politicians actually do?
Good luck with that.
No... He's going to come in here, quote one sentence out of one of my replies, and then go on some completely unrelated tangent like he always does.
I think you had better handle this one yourself, dummy.
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Quote:As we all know, Donald Trump spent many months last year trying to force Ukraine to announce an investigation into Hunter Biden’s work for a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma Holdings. The idea was to imply that (a) Hunter was employed solely to curry favor with Joe Biden, and (b) Joe Biden therefore treated Burisma favorably when he was vice president. There was never any evidence for any of this, but Trump tried and tried to extort Ukrainian officials into insinuating it anyway. This failed, and eventually led to impeachment charges in Congress.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
He's going to explain to me how the definition of Liberal Democracy is not what Democrat voters or politicians actually do?
Good luck with that.
No... He's going to come in here, quote one sentence out of one of my replies, and then go on some completely unrelated tangent like he always does.
I think you had better handle this one yourself, dummy.
But just because Trump failed didn’t mean that his friends all gave up. By an enormous coincidence, it turns out that Trump’s Russian buddies from the 2016 campaign decided to investigate Burisma:
The Russian spy agency known as the GRU launched a cyber “phishing” campaign against Burisma Holdings to trick unsuspecting employees into giving up their email credentials so the hackers could gain access to their email accounts — once again entangling Moscow in domestic U.S. politics, according to Area 1 Security, a Redwood City, Calif., company.
The operation’s launch coincided with a congressional impeachment inquiry into Trump and whether he abused his office by seeking to press Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky into announcing a probe of Burisma and Hunter Biden — an action that conceivably would aid Trump’s reelection bid.
The New York Times adds this:
The Russian attacks on Burisma appear to be running parallel to an effort by Russian spies in Ukraine to dig up information in the analog world that could embarrass the Bidens, according to an American security official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. The spies, the official said, are trying to penetrate Burisma and working sources in the Ukrainian government in search of emails, financial records and legal documents.
In other words, the Russians are beavering away in all areas to try and find something that might look bad for Joe Biden. Did Trump ask them to do this? He just announced on TV what he’d like to see happen and the Russians took the hint. If they find anything, they’ll launder it through a couple of cutouts and then leak it to some friendly reporters. Will the American press be less credulous about reporting this stuff than they were in 2016? I wouldn’t count on it no matter how often they say they’ve learned their lesson. “But it’s newsworthy,” they’ll say.
More at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/01/russia-is-once-again-helping-ou
t-its-buddy-donald-trump/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:As we all know, Donald Trump spent many months last year trying to force Ukraine to announce an investigation into Hunter Biden’s work for a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma Holdings. The idea was to imply that (a) Hunter was employed solely to curry favor with Joe Biden, and (b) Joe Biden therefore treated Burisma favorably when he was vice president. There was never any evidence for any of this, but Trump tried and tried to extort Ukrainian officials into insinuating it anyway. This failed, and eventually led to impeachment charges in Congress.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
He's going to explain to me how the definition of Liberal Democracy is not what Democrat voters or politicians actually do?
Good luck with that.
No... He's going to come in here, quote one sentence out of one of my replies, and then go on some completely unrelated tangent like he always does.
I think you had better handle this one yourself, dummy.
But just because Trump failed didn’t mean that his friends all gave up. By an enormous coincidence, it turns out that Trump’s Russian buddies from the 2016 campaign decided to investigate Burisma:
The Russian spy agency known as the GRU launched a cyber “phishing” campaign against Burisma Holdings to trick unsuspecting employees into giving up their email credentials so the hackers could gain access to their email accounts — once again entangling Moscow in domestic U.S. politics, according to Area 1 Security, a Redwood City, Calif., company.
The operation’s launch coincided with a congressional impeachment inquiry into Trump and whether he abused his office by seeking to press Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky into announcing a probe of Burisma and Hunter Biden — an action that conceivably would aid Trump’s reelection bid.
The New York Times adds this:
The Russian attacks on Burisma appear to be running parallel to an effort by Russian spies in Ukraine to dig up information in the analog world that could embarrass the Bidens, according to an American security official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. The spies, the official said, are trying to penetrate Burisma and working sources in the Ukrainian government in search of emails, financial records and legal documents.
In other words, the Russians are beavering away in all areas to try and find something that might look bad for Joe Biden. Did Trump ask them to do this? He just announced on TV what he’d like to see happen and the Russians took the hint. If they find anything, they’ll launder it through a couple of cutouts and then leak it to some friendly reporters. Will the American press be less credulous about reporting this stuff than they were in 2016? I wouldn’t count on it no matter how often they say they’ve learned their lesson. “But it’s newsworthy,” they’ll say.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Right on cue, I see.
What did I tell you T?
You can smell that turd from a mile away.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:If by Turd you mean Trump, the whole world smells him, except for Trump voters.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Right on cue, I see.
What did I tell you T?
You can smell that turd from a mile away.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63460
Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours.
Quantify, wherever possible.
If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.
Occam's razor - if there are two hypotheses that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.
Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?
http://carlsagan.com/index_ideascontent.htm
Quote:Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
As we all know,
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
Quote:Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
Donald Trump spent many months last year trying to
Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
Quantify, wherever possible.
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
Quote:Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts. (in this case the evidence in the testimony disproves this statement)
force
(because of that, every following statement should be read with the understanding that this requirement was failed: If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.)
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy. (or caters to your hatreds)
Quote:Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts. (in this case the evidence in the transcript disproves this statement)
Ukraine to announce an investigation into Hunter Biden’s work
Quote:Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts. (in this case the evidence in the transcript shows Burisma wasn't mentioned by name at all)
for a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma Holdings.
Quote:Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
The idea
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
Quote:Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
was to imply that (a) Hunter was employed solely to curry favor with Joe Biden, and (b) Joe Biden therefore treated Burisma favorably when he was vice president.
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
Quote:Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
but Trump tried and tried
Quote:Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
to extort
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
Quote:Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts.
Ukrainian officials into insinuating it anyway. This failed, and eventually led to impeachment charges in Congress.
Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
Spin more than one hypothesis
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Originally posted by second:Quote:If by Turd you mean Trump...
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Right on cue, I see.
What did I tell you T?
You can smell that turd from a mile away.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Nope. I meant you and you're extremely predictable behavior.
We can set a clock to you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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As true today as when I started this thread and now with Biden and a renewed relationship with our allies, the shit is going to hit the fan.
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Just responding to your title:
SO WHAT?
Russia can't "upend" anything if we don't let them.
That means that we have clean and auditable elections, and robust discussion of the issues under the banner of freedom of speech.
If you depend on censorhip and propaganda and mob rule to "enforce" your "democracy" then YOU HAVE JUST UPENDED IT YOURSELF.
It's like WISHY wanting to impose a Reign of Terror and kill 99.999% of the people on the globe, all in the name of "freedom" ... it's kind of self-contradictory, wouldn't you say?
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
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Quote:Coming straight from a Russian troll who works for a Russian troll farm. ^
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just responding to your title:
SO WHAT?
Russia can't "upend" anything if we don't let them.
That means that we have clean and auditable elections, and robust discussion of the issues under the banner of freedom of speech.
If you depend on censorhip and propaganda and mob rule to "enforce" your "democracy" then YOU HAVE JUST UPENDED IT YOURSELF.
It's like WISHY wanting to impose a Reign of Terror and kill 99.999% of the people on the globe, all in the name of "freedom" ... it's kind of self-contradictory, wouldn't you say?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
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Once again, RF has no ON TOPIC response. Because ...
... RF is an idiot. It's that simple.
And btw, RF, if you EVER happen to accidentally stumble into an OP response, I'll address your post OP. Until then, you get what you dish out.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Coming straight from a Russian troll who works for a Russian troll farm. ^
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just responding to your title:
SO WHAT?
Russia can't "upend" anything if we don't let them.
That means that we have clean and auditable elections, and robust discussion of the issues under the banner of freedom of speech.
If you depend on censorhip and propaganda and mob rule to "enforce" your "democracy" then YOU HAVE JUST UPENDED IT YOURSELF.
It's like WISHY wanting to impose a Reign of Terror and kill 99.999% of the people on the globe, all in the name of "freedom" ... it's kind of self-contradictory, wouldn't you say?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Yanno, I kind of look at REAVERBOT'S libel as points on my scoreboard. Every time he has to resort to "Russian troll" because he (literally) has no on-point rebuttal*, I feel I've made a particulary solid argument.
And when he has to add a cartoon?
BONUS POINTS!
So, thanks for the points, REAVERBOT!
AND the bump!
* Also, a perfect example of someone who wants to upend democracy, because he relies on (attempted) intimidation to impose his POV, not logical fact-based argument exercised under the protections of free speech.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Former Ukraine finance minister:
Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.
"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html
And Trump is his best ally in this.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I'm from New York as well dreamtorve. A state where we hunt down Russian trolls and feed them to the rats.
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I have issues with extreme points of view myself rap. Many of those points of view come from you. However, Patton would roll over in his grave if he saw what you posted instead of coming together to push Putin back. What he represents in not democracy.
I ignored your silly post for a year, and now looking back, what have we found ?
What ' interference ' did the Russians actually do to our election ? To date, nothing. Oh, they " may have " tried , but functionally , there's nothing to show that their actions had 1 iotas worth of impact on who voted for either candidate.
Nothing.
Patton wanted to drive through Berlin and not stop until he reached Moscow. He never trusted the Russian govt. So how is it a shock to anyone that a former KGB man like Putin would change his spots ? Point is, this is nothing new ! Been going on for 70+ years.
She LOST. Get over it.
Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election between President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton has led to the indictments of 31 people and three companies — that we know of so far.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a13122012/robert-mueller-russia-
investigation-charges/
That group is composed of four former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals rappy with much more to come. Still think it's much ado about nothing? As I've said, Patton would roll over in his grave reading what your opinion of all this is.
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Remember this rappy...
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Even though Jack is sitting at a computer when he asks what is Liberal Democracy he can't figure how to find out what it is by himself.
Here you go dummy. A liberal Democracy is what Trump along with you trolls, claim to want while trying your damndest to destroy it.
Liberal democracy is a liberal political ideology and a form of government in which representative democracy operates under the principles of classical liberalism. Also referred to as Western democracy, it is characterised by elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, a market economy with private property and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties and political freedoms for all people. To define the system in practice, liberal democracies often draw upon a constitution, either formally written or uncodified, to delineate the powers of government and enshrine the social contract. After a period of sustained expansion throughout the 20th century, liberal democracy became the predominant political system in the world.
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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
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#Rootin4Putin
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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Quote:When it was clear Russia would invade, it was Tucker Carlson himself who said at the outset that Putin wasn’t his enemy — people advocating for racial and social justice were. Donald Trump said that Putin’s invasion was “smart” and that he was “playing Biden like a drum.”
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
#Rootin4Putin
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
You get the idea. Putin, the ethnonationalist macho shirtless man wearing a cross necklace, was supposed to lead his distinctly anti-woke military to a rapid victory against a helpless Ukraine inadequately backed by a woke and emasculated American military, a senile President Biden and cheese-eating surrender monkeys in Europe.
For the right, that’s what was supposed to happen — and then the right would get to extol the civic and military virtues of ethnonationalist autocracy and make the case that pluralism and social justice is for the weak. One problem: History happened instead. Ukraine survived Putin’s attempt to conquer it and, with the backing of superior American and NATO weaponry, is inflicting grievous losses and reclaiming its territory against a poorly trained force that is hollowed out by corruption and resorting to systemic war crimes in order to get the civilian population to buckle. Zelenskyy is a global icon of courage, freedom and democracy. Under President Biden’s (sometimes overly) cautious leadership, the United States has once again become the arsenal of democracy. Zelenskyy’s surprise flight to Washington and the roaring adulation he received from most of the US Congress was the pinnacle of this historic achievement.
The National Socia— I mean, National Conservatives can’t stand this outcome, and they will work to overturn it. Some of them will be forthright and honest about wanting Putin to win, but most of them won’t. They’ll couch it in terms of an expense we can’t afford and one that should be redirected to the Southern border. But the truth is, they want Ukraine to die because it means Putin winning and Biden failing. They want patriarchal autocracy to win, and pluralistic liberal democracy to lose. They may couch it in other terms, but they shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. Tucker Carlson speaks for them all.
More at https://antiimperialistleague.substack.com/p/zelenskyys-speech-and-the
-blind-fury
Tucker Carlson’s rage at Zelensky caps a year of getting things wrong
After Volodymyr Zelensky delivered a rousing speech to U.S. lawmakers this week, Tucker Carlson unleashed a diatribe that put schoolyard sadists everywhere to shame. “No one’s ever addressed the United States Congress in a sweatshirt before,” he seethed, slamming Zelensky as a “strip club” manager whose presence was “humiliating” to “the greatest country on Earth.”
Carlson’s attack on the Ukrainian president, whose olive green garb was meant to dramatize his country’s wartime plight, has sparked outrage because of its demeaning quality at a time of extraordinary duress for the Ukrainian people. But this episode deserves a deeper look than Carlson’s adolescent belittling usually merits.
Carlson’s rant carried a more hateful edge than usual, a kind of shrill fury. Perhaps that’s because Zelensky’s presence before Congress was far more humiliating to Carlson and his ideological comrades than to anyone else: It demonstrated how badly they misjudged Ukraine’s will to resist Russian conquest and the durability of the U.S. commitment to our beleaguered ally.
This represents the failure of a worldview, a strain of far-right authoritarian populism, that goes well beyond Ukraine. A whole lot of things have happened that — in Carlson’s mental universe — were not supposed to happen.
Things Carlson misjudged:
1. The resilience and skill of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in fighting for their homeland.
2. His prediction that U.S. voter would soon grow weary of our support for Ukraine when in fact more than 2/3rds of them
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Ukraine isn't winning. So there goes your gibberish about superior western weaponry and the invincibility of "wokeism",
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ukraine isn't winning. So there goes your gibberish about superior western weaponry and the invincibility of "wokeism",
What planet do you live on?
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ukraine isn't winning. So there goes your gibberish about superior western weaponry and the invincibility of "wokeism",
What planet do you live on?
T
Earth. Where Ukraine is losing, and losing all of our money.
It's because stupid people like you keep breeding that 2022 was what it was and 2023 is going to be what it's going to be.
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WHY PUTIN'S NEW YEAR SPEECH IS SCARY: How The Holiday Of New Year Is Used To Brainwash
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Originally posted by THG:
WHY PUTIN'S NEW YEAR SPEECH IS SCARY: How The Holiday Of New Year Is Used To Brainwash
You're so brainfucked you couldn't even sell your brain used on Craigslist, Ted.
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Originally posted by THGRRI: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:10 PM
Former Ukraine finance minister:
Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.
"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html
And Trump is his best ally in this.
And as I've said, payback is a bitch. Putin knows that now I'll bet.
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