Punishing Russia With Sanctions
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So basically the Pentagon us saying... we don't know. We don't have any INDEPENDENT information (outside of provided by Ukraine) that will allow us to verify their claims.
So, why not have an investigation and get independent information?
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The way this was expressed made me realized that "regime change" in Russua was a long-term plan.
"They [ neocons] finally got the Administration [ Biden*] that they wanted. Of course they were hoping for Hillary in 2016"
So the plan was to collapse the ruble in 2015 and install a friendly government in Ukraine. Hillary would have continued that in 2016 but Trump was a big BIG interruption!
No wonder they used Russia to attack Trump! That killed two birds (Trump, Russia) with one stone!
And people have been predicting a false flag of SOME sort to justify/twist the EU's arm for more and more sanctions. Originally thought to be a chemical attack, whooda thunk it would be something as mundane as a "massacre"?
So all this is just a continuation of the plan hatched (most likely) under Obama. (GWB was all about the "war on terror", not Russia.)
I should have seen it. Any justification will do to keep The Plan moving forward, even if it means destroying Germany and torpedoing the USA.
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Quote:Basically the Pentagon said that it didn't have any Colonels in Ukraine witnessing Russians raping Ukrainians as the rapes occurred, but there is NO reason to believe that there were no rapes. Furthermore, the Pentagon does NOT have a database of Russian soldier DNA, so Pentagon couldn't confirm it was Russian rapists, although FOX News' Tucker Carlson says it could have been Nazis rapists, according to Tucker's source, Vladimir Putin. Tucker asks a lot of questions, questions that Putin would ask. Also, Pentagon doesn't have money for rape DNA kits. Nor does it have money to test the DNA. Nor will the Pentagon send medical staff into Ukraine for these tests.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So basically the Pentagon us saying... we don't know. We don't have any INDEPENDENT information (outside of provided by Ukraine) that will allow us to verify their claims.
So, why not have an investigation and get independent information?
https://www.reuters.com/world/pentagon-cant-independently-confirm-atro
cities-ukraines-bucha-official-says-2022-04-04/
The only thing we can be sure of is that almost nobody will go on trial for anything. But if there was a trial, it would be many years from now before there was a verdict.
Meanwhile, Ukrainians will be killing Russians more and more savagely and Russian soldiers will be wondering why Russia is fighting in Ukraine? What is Russia's goal? -- the soldiers will be asking themselves. They will probably shrug because they don't need goals, it's just a job to them, one that allows them to work while drunk. On the other side, fighting is a Ukrainian's whole purpose -- either kill Russians or die. Unlike during the Holodomor, where 4 million Ukrainians died for no reason, this is payback time and the Ukrainians are sending the Russians to hell.
Denial of the Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor
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Originally posted by second:
Meanwhile, Ukrainians will be killing Russians more and more savagely and Russian soldiers will be wondering why Russia is fighting in Ukraine? What is Russia's goal? -- the soldiers will be asking themselves. They will probably shrug because they don't need goals, it's just a job to them, one that allows them to work while drunk. On the other side, fighting is a Ukrainian's whole purpose -- either kill Russians or die. Unlike during the Holodomor, where 4 million Ukrainians died for no reason, this is payback time and the Ukrainians are sending the Russians to hell.
You are mistaken, second. Those dead Russians were killed and posed by other Russians. Total false flag “production.” What we have here is the first war where both sides are killing themselves. If I were Russia I’d surrender to myself before they take another beating from themselves.
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Flagrantly False: Russia’s Claim That Bucha Killings Were ‘Staged’
Kremlin, Russian defense and foreign ministries -- “[T]he photos and video footage from Bucha are yet another staged event by the Kiev regime for the Western media, as it was in Mariupol with the maternity hospital, as well as in other cities.”
Source: TV Zvezda, April 4, 2022
https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-russia-bucha-denials-false/317
87136.html
Outraged by the Russian denials, some journalists shared via social media gruesome details of what they witnessed and experienced.
“I note that Russia now suggesting Ukrainians did Bucha executions themselves after Russian retreat. There is one reason why this can’t be true,” wrote Oliver Carroll, a reporter with the British magazine The Economist.
“The smell of the decomposing bodies. You simply don’t get such a strong odor after few days in very cold (near subzero) temperatures,” Carroll tweeted.
Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in an April 3 report that it had “documented cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations against civilians in occupied areas of the Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kyiv regions of Ukraine.”
“The cases we documented amount to unspeakable, deliberate cruelty and violence against Ukrainian civilians,” said Hugh Williamson, the group’s Europe and Central Asia director. “Rape, murder, and other violent acts against people in the Russian forces’ custody should be investigated as war crimes.”
Much more at https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-russia-bucha-denials-false/317
87136.html
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And "everyone" was sure that Milosevic (Serbian President of Yugoslavia) committed heinous war crimes and genocide against Bosnians, with "mountains" of evidence, testimony, and mass graves.
Quote:It turned out that the charges against him were apparently based on froth, propaganda, and misdirected outrage.
The charges on which Miloševic was indicted were: genocide; complicity in genocide; deportation; murder; persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds; inhumane acts/forcible transfer; extermination; imprisonment; torture; willful killing; unlawful confinement; willfully causing great suffering; unlawful deportation or transfer; extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly; cruel treatment; plunder of public or private property; attacks on civilians; destruction or willful damage done to historic monuments and institutions dedicated to education or religion; unlawful attacks on civilian objects... the original charges of war crimes in Kosovo were upgraded by adding charges of genocide in Bosnia and war crimes in Croatia.
When you think of Serbia and Kosovo at all, you prolly still have a vague notion that Milosevic committed "atrocities". His reputation is tainted by unproven charges, just like many of you still think that Trump "colluded" (coordinated and cooperated) with Russia, altho no such evidence was found.
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In a judgment issued on 24 March 2016 in the separate trial of Radovan Karadzic and on 22 November 2017 in the separate trial of Ratko Mladic, the ICTY said there was no evidence that Milosevic "participated in the realization of the common criminal objective" and that "Milosevic and other Serbian leaders openly criticised Bosnian Serb leaders [Karadzic, Mladic]of committing crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing and the war for their own purposes" during the 1992-95 war.
Milosevic had requested to see a cardiac specialist but was denied, and died in jail of a heart attack before a verdict could be reached.
BTW, I know this thru a friend who is friends with one of the lawyers who represented Milosevic. It pays to have sources OUTSIDE of the M$M!
When you want to ruin someone, you charge them with heinous crimes. Just the charges themselves make people's blood boil, and they lose judgment on the quality of evidence and form a lynch mob. But trial by public opinion is no substitute for an ACTUAL trial with ACTUAL evidence, not hysteria, propaganda and outrage.
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Quote:A prominent lawyer who helped defend the former Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic at his war crimes trial has been shot dead. Dragoslav Ognjanovic, 57, was killed on Saturday evening outside his apartment building in the capital, Belgrade. Mr Ognjanovic also served as a defence lawyer in several high-profile mafia cases in Serbia and Montenegro. A number of prominent members of Serbian and Montenegrin organised crime networks have been killed in Belgrade in recent years.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Milosevic had requested to see a cardiac specialist but was denied, and died in jail of a heart attack before a verdict could be reached.
BTW, I know this thru a friend who is friends with one of the lawyers who represented Milosevic. It pays to have sources OUTSIDE of the M$M!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44995906
Other interesting facts that Signym's lawyer/friends didn't mention:
Judge Robinson said two court-assigned doctors who had examined Mr Milosevic had concluded that he suffered "severe essential hypertension", and that continuing to represent himself could lead to "a potentially life-threatening situation". The judges recognised the right of a defendant to represent himself, but cited his lengthy periods of illness, saying that the right was "not unfettered". Mr Milosevic's bouts of fatigue and high blood pressure has caused the suspension of hearings more than 12 times, and resulted in the loss of 66 trial days since proceedings began in February 2002. Doctors treating the former president say that his heart condition could become life-threatening if he continued to represent himself at the hearings. The 63-year-old, who has used the two and a half year trial as a platform to air his political views, has previously refused to accept a lawyer, insisting that he would cross-examine witnesses himself.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/02/warcrimes.milosevictrial
Miloševic talked himself to death. I remember Slobodan Miloševic as a fat smoker, so he pretty much killed himself at 64 years old, approximately the same age as many fat, smoking Trump voters kill themselves at. Putin's vice is not tobacco or food, but greed for other people's land. Along with incompetence, Putin's vice will kill many Russians before they reach 64 years old. Za zda-ró-vye! Literally it means: "To your health!"
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Meanwhile, Ukrainians will be killing Russians more and more savagely and Russian soldiers will be wondering why Russia is fighting in Ukraine? What is Russia's goal? -- the soldiers will be asking themselves. They will probably shrug because they don't need goals, it's just a job to them, one that allows them to work while drunk. On the other side, fighting is a Ukrainian's whole purpose -- either kill Russians or die. Unlike during the Holodomor, where 4 million Ukrainians died for no reason, this is payback time and the Ukrainians are sending the Russians to hell.
You are mistaken, second. Those dead Russians were killed and posed by other Russians. Total false flag “production.” What we have here is the first war where both sides are killing themselves. If I were Russia I’d surrender to myself before they take another beating from themselves.
That's just too fucking funny G.
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SECIND: I noticed that you didn't address this.
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It turned out that the charges against him were apparently based on froth, propaganda, and misdirected outrage.
When you think of Serbia and Kosovo at all, you prolly still have a vague notion that Milosevic committed "atrocities". His reputation is tainted by unproven charges, just like many of you still think that Trump "colluded" (coordinated and cooperated) with Russia, altho no such evidence was found.
When you want to ruin someone, you charge them with heinous crimes. Just the charges themselves make people's blood boil, and they lose judgment on the quality of evidence and form a lynch mob. But trial by public opinion is no substitute for an ACTUAL trial with ACTUAL evidence, not hysteria, propaganda and outrage.
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So, how about insisting on ACTUAL evidence not hyperventilation and outrage?
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Quote:Slobodan Miloševic spent years of his trial expounding upon his political philosophy. If he could have just shut his mouth for a few days, the prosecution would have run out of evidence and mean things to say about the defendant's character, assuming Signym is correct that there was no evidence connecting Miloševic to war crimes. He could have gone free within a month or two. But the man could not stop talking. He literally talked himself to death according to cardiologists' warnings to him to either calm down or else die from a heart attack. Mostly, he was spinning for the judges an elaborate fiction where bad things could happen but could never be his fault.
Originally posted by SignyM:
It turned out that the charges against him were apparently based on froth, propaganda, and misdirected outrage.
When you think of Serbia and Kosovo at all, you prolly still have a vague notion that Milosevic committed "atrocities". His reputation is tainted by unproven charges, just like many of you still think that Trump "colluded" (coordinated and cooperated) with Russia, altho no such evidence was found.
When you want to ruin someone, you charge them with heinous crimes. Just the charges themselves make people's blood boil, and they lose judgment on the quality of evidence and form a lynch mob. But trial by public opinion is no substitute for an ACTUAL trial with ACTUAL evidence, not hysteria, propaganda and outrage.
*****
So, how about insisting on ACTUAL evidence not hyperventilation and outrage?
In related news: Russians say the terrible images in Bucha are a "forgery" to try to denigrate their army. If the Russians are telling the truth, the prosecution's case will collapse after a few days. But I seriously doubt that Russia will be showing up at a War Crimes Court. Putin will refuse to recognize the authority of any Court to judge him or Russia.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/06/bucha-russia-fake-pkg-ebof
-chance-intl-vpx.cnn
How do I know that Putin won't recognize any authority to judge him? Malaysia Airlines flight 17 is how. The separatists and their Russian backers denied culpability while offering a shifting series of alternative explanations. Russia later vetoed a United Nations resolution to create a tribunal that would have assigned blame for the incident.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Malaysia-Airlines-flight-17
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Slobodan Miloševic spent years of his trial expounding upon his political philosophy. If he could have just shut his mouth for a few days, the prosecution would have run out of evidence and mean things to say about the defendant's character, assuming Signym is correct that there was no evidence connecting Miloševic to war crimes. He could have gone free within a month or two. But the man could not stop talking. He literally talked himself to death according to cardiologists' warnings to him to either calm down or else die from a heart attack. Mostly, he was spinning for the judges an elaborate fiction where bad things could happen but could never be his fault.
Originally posted by SignyM:
It turned out that the charges against him were apparently based on froth, propaganda, and misdirected outrage.
When you think of Serbia and Kosovo at all, you prolly still have a vague notion that Milosevic committed "atrocities". His reputation is tainted by unproven charges, just like many of you still think that Trump "colluded" (coordinated and cooperated) with Russia, altho no such evidence was found.
When you want to ruin someone, you charge them with heinous crimes. Just the charges themselves make people's blood boil, and they lose judgment on the quality of evidence and form a lynch mob. But trial by public opinion is no substitute for an ACTUAL trial with ACTUAL evidence, not hysteria, propaganda and outrage.
*****
So, how about insisting on ACTUAL evidence not hyperventilation and outrage?
In related news: Russians say the terrible images in Bucha are a "forgery" to try to denigrate their army. If the Russians are telling the truth, the prosecution's case will collapse after a few days. But I seriously doubt that Russia will be showing up at a War Crimes Court. Putin will refuse to recognize the authority of any Court to judge him or Russia.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/06/bucha-russia-fake-pkg-ebof
-chance-intl-vpx.cnn
How do I know that Putin won't recognize any authority to judge him? Malaysia Airlines flight 17 is how. The separatists and their Russian backers denied culpability while offering a shifting series of alternative explanations. Russia later vetoed a United Nations resolution to create a tribunal that would have assigned blame for the incident.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Malaysia-Airlines-flight-17
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Speaking of talking yourslf to death, here is SECOND
a) Blaming the dead man with made-up allegations (SECOND knows NOTHING about the trial) and more importantly
b) Attempting to divert attention from lynch-mob mentality that he whips up
Isn't that right, SECOND?
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Quote:Signym, let me help you understand how a leader can be charged for a war crime that consists of words he neglected to say. Miloševic went on trial because he never gave an order to NOT KILL prisoners. Miloševic talked constantly, but not about NOT KILLING prisoners. If a leader won't give the order, constantly, the soldiers will KILL prisoners. TORTURE them, too. Miloševic's defense was that NOT KILLING prisoners is up to conscience of individual soldiers and officers, not Miloševic's responsibility.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Speaking of talking yourslf to death, here is SECOND
a) Blaming the dead man with made-up allegations (SECOND knows NOTHING about the trial) and more importantly
b) Attempting to divert attention from lynch-mob mentality that he whips up
Isn't that right, SECOND?
In the case of Ukraine, there is a gentleman who explained, in many words, what goes on in the minds of Russian soldiers who (unlike restaurant employees being reminded by signs to wash their hands after using the toilet) are not being told to NOT KILL/ NOT TORTURE/ NOT RAPE prisoners:
Denazification is necessary when a considerable number of population (very likely most of it) has been subjected to the Nazi regime and engaged into its agenda. That is, when the “good people — bad government” hypothesis does not apply. Recognizing this fact forms the backbone of the denazification policy and all its measures, while the fact itself constitutes its subject. Denazification is a set of actions aimed at the nazified bulk of the population, who technically cannot be directly punished as war criminals.
More at https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2022/04/05/how-a-russian-propagandist
-justifies-genocide-in-ukraine/
Miloševic's defense was that NOT KILLING prisoners is up to the conscience of individual soldiers and officers, not Miloševic's responsibility. That same defense was used by Hermann Göring, in his trial, where he claimed he was not responsible for Nazis killing prisoners. Unfortunately, his office staff didn't find and burn a copy of a document where Hermann ordered a killing. Oops! But if that document had been burned, Göring's defense was rock solid that he was not responsible for any war crimes unless he killed the prisoners all by himself.
Vladimir Putin will be using Miloševic's and Göring's defense: I wasn't there when prisoners were KILLED, TORTURED, RAPED, therefore I am innocent of war crimes. Putin's office staff is smarter than Göring's office staff. There won't be any Russian emails or documents ordering prisoners KILLED, TORTURED, RAPED. Putin thinks he is perfectly in the clear, but just in case, Putin won't voluntarily, and in person, show up in the War Crimes Court.
So that the Russian Army doesn't get confused about the denazification policy, Putin won't be giving orders to NOT KILL, NOT TORTURE, NOT RAPE prisoners. It will be left to the conscience of individual soldiers and officers, not Putin's responsibility.
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The Miloševic Trial: An Autopsy
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What mattered, what made this trial extraordinary, was the interconnectedness of these many, many crimes, and the story weaving them together: What had been isolated, disparate acts, told and tested in separate trials, was now joined in a single case, under a single theory that implied a claim about the wars as a whole. The case that was brought against Miloševic placed him at the very center of a web of criminality—indeed, it was Miloševic’s place at the center that provided the legal and logical relationship between all the other acts and actors across three wars and the greater part of a decade. The Tribunal’s case information sheet lists 46 cases to which Miloševic is related, from Babic to Župljanin—more than any other trial, and the only trial to link cases from all three of the other major conflicts the Tribunal adjudicated.* Slobodan Miloševic was the network.
* The small number of Macedonian cases stand apart.
In the case of Ukraine, Putin is the network tying all the war crimes together.
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What Russians See on State TV About “the Special Military Operation” in Ukraine
https://slate.com/technology/2022/04/russian-state-tv-ukraine.html
Russians are told that Ukrainians are Nazis and President Volodymyr Zelensky is a “demon who should be exorcised rather than talked to.”
Russians have stopped talking about liberating the people of Ukraine. Instead, Russians are told to liberate the land from the Ukrainian citizens.
You don't have to be a psychiatrist working at the Elizabeth Arkham Asylum for the Criminally Insane nor a lawyer specializing in war crimes to know that Russians soldiers will understand the Russian TV message as rape/torture/kill Ukrainian prisoners.
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Failed "mind-reading" from SECOND.
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Quote:You're a Trump/Putin defender. From that, you're as mindless and predictable as a struck golf ball on a parabolic path. You'll splash into the water hazard, sink to the bottom and nobody will look for you. They'll get another ball from the golf club bag. Russian propagandists are spending hours convincing Russians that the footage from Bucha was staged by Ukrainian “Nazis,” which is perfectly predictable behavior for Trump/Putin defenders. No mind-reading required.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Failed "mind-reading" from SECOND.
What Russians See on State TV About “the Special Military Operation” in Ukraine
https://slate.com/technology/2022/04/russian-state-tv-ukraine.html
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Since you can't blame Russia for what it's done, or what it's doing right now, you stoop to blaming Russia for what you're convinced ... convinced, I tell you!... what Russian soldiers "will do" in the future.
Yanno, bc they have access to Russian TV on the battlefield, and have nothing to do but watch it, and take their orders from it.
/snark
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Quote:Russian troops discussed Bucha atrocities over radio, German intelligence agency claims. The German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) presented the findings in parliament Wednesday, the German news magazine Der Spiegel reported.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Since you can't blame Russia for what it's done, or what it's doing right now, you stoop to blaming Russia for what you're convinced ... convinced, I tell you!... what Russian soldiers "will do" in the future.
Yanno, bc they have access to Russian TV on the battlefield, and have nothing to do but watch it, and take their orders from it.
Meanwhile, Moscow has called the images from Bucha a 'monstrous forgery' and denies everything all the time, without stopping for a breath. Moscow has not, yet, claimed that the radio transmissions were fake, but give Moscow a little time and it will.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-intercepted-russian-troop-calls-on-atroc
ities-in-ukraine-report/a-61390212
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Russian troops discussed Bucha atrocities over radio, German intelligence agency claims. The German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) presented the findings in parliament Wednesday, the German news magazine Der Spiegel reported.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Since you can't blame Russia for what it's done, or what it's doing right now, you stoop to blaming Russia for what you're convinced ... convinced, I tell you!... what Russian soldiers "will do" in the future.
Yanno, bc they have access to Russian TV on the battlefield, and have nothing to do but watch it, and take their orders from it.
Meanwhile, Moscow has called the images from Bucha a 'monstrous forgery' and denies everything all the time, without stopping for a breath. Moscow has not, yet, claimed that the radio transmissions were fake, but give Moscow a little time and it will.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-intercepted-russian-troop-calls-on-atroc
ities-in-ukraine-report/a-61390212
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Polish Russian Collaborator Signym's constant support of Russia means she is cut from the same cloth as those who raped, murdered and tortured the men, women and children of Ukraine.
She is a sewer rat.
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Quote:Which means ...what? We're discussing it here, too.
SignyM:
Since you can't blame Russia for what it's done, or what it's doing right now, you stoop to blaming Russia for what you're convinced ... convinced, I tell you!... what Russian soldiers "will do" in the future.
Yanno, bc they have access to Russian TV on the battlefield, and have nothing to do but watch it, and take their orders from it.
SECOND: Russian troops discussed Bucha atrocities over radio, German intelligence agency claims.
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Don't forget that 51 ... fifty one! ... former "intelligence" officials stood shoulder to shoulder and dismissed the laptop as "Russian disinformation". Consider THAT next time you hear anything from "intelligence" sources!
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Quote:Putin had denied, repeatedly, Russian responsibility for the 4 million deaths of the Holodomor. I know it's a long time ago, but the denial of Russian responsibility for deaths is a recurring theme with Russians since the year 862.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Which means ...what? We're discussing it here, too.
More recently, where there are piles of dead Ukrainian prisoners, Putin is claiming those deaths are not Russia's responsibility. That is the same old theme, again, where Russians think they can alter reality by lying and escape blame. Russia's long and grubby history ought to have convinced Russians that lying does not change reality, but they remain unconvinced. Ukrainians will be making a strong and, perhaps, a convincing argument, but without using words.
Ukraine has more than enough ammo to kill the entire Russian Army. Putin will run out of soldiers and tanks to throw at Ukraine before Ukraine runs out of bullets and Javelins. Ukraine has the people who will do it because they remember the Holodomor and they are never allowing irresponsible Russians like Putin to murder another 4 million Ukrainians.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Holodomor+Putin
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In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.
In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.
Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?
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Quote:Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.
In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.
Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?
Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide
There is a picture of shifty eyed Putin on that article.
Russia Denies Stalin’s Killer Famine
REWRITING HISTORY: Russia’s international propaganda outlet just recycled an old, debunked claim that Stalin’s terror-famine in Ukraine was a Western “hoax.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-denies-stalins-killer-famine
Ukraine is well aware that Russians are very capable of murdering millions of people, followed by faking amnesia about the murders, because Russia has done exactly that many times, and the Ukrainians will fight to the death of every last Russian solder, sailor, and pilot to never again be owned by Russia.
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Putin won’t be stopped until Germany ends its energy dependence
Vladimir Putin’s war of aggression runs on the money Russia gets by selling fossil fuels to Europe. And while Ukraine has, incredibly, repelled Russia’s attempt to seize Kyiv, Putin won’t be definitively stopped until Europe ends its energy dependence.
Which means that Germany — whose political and business leaders insist that they can’t do without Russian natural gas, even though many of its own economists disagree — has in effect become Putin’s prime enabler. This is shameful; it is also incredibly hypocritical given recent German history.
The background: Germany has been warned for decades about the risks of becoming dependent on Russian gas. But its leaders, focused on the short-run benefits of cheap energy, ignored those warnings. On the eve of the Ukraine war, 55 percent of German gas came from Russia.
There’s no question that quickly cutting off, or even greatly reducing, this gas flow would be painful. But multiple economic analyses — from the Brussels-based Bruegel Institute, the International Energy Agency and ECONtribute, a think tank sponsored by the Universities of Bonn and Cologne — have found that the effects of drastically reducing gas imports from Russia would be far from catastrophic to Germany.
As one member of the German Council of Economic Experts, which fills a role somewhat similar to that of the U.S. Council of Economic Advisers, put it, an embargo on Russian gas would be difficult but “feasible.”
The ECONtribute analysis offers a range of estimates, but their worst-case number is that an embargo on Russian gas would temporarily reduce Germany’s real G.D.P. by 2.1 percent. I’ll put that number in context shortly.
Now, German industrialists refuse to accept economists’ estimates, insisting that a gas embargo would indeed be catastrophic. But they would say that, wouldn’t they? Industrial leaders everywhere always claim that any proposed restriction on their activities would be an economic disaster.
For example, back in 1990 U.S. industry groups issued dire warnings against policies to reduce acid rain, insisting that they would cost hundreds of billions and even lead to “the potential destruction of the Midwest economy.” None of that happened; in fact, the new rules produced large public health benefits at modest financial cost.
Unfortunately, Germany’s political leaders, including Chancellor Olaf Scholz, have taken the side of the scaremongers. The revelations of Russian atrocities in Ukraine have led to grudging acknowledgments that something must be done, but still not much sense of urgency.
What strikes me — a parallel that for some reason I haven’t seen many people drawing — is the contrast between Germany’s current reluctance to make moderate sacrifices, even in the face of horrific war crimes, and the immense sacrifices Germany demanded of other countries during the European debt crisis a decade ago.
As some readers may remember, early last decade much of southern Europe faced a crisis as lending dried up, sending interest rates on government debt soaring. German officials were quick to blame these countries for their own plight, insisting, with much moralizing, that they were in trouble because they had been fiscally irresponsible and now needed to pay the price.
As it turns out, this diagnosis was mostly wrong. Much of the surge in southern European interest rates reflected a market panic rather than fundamentals; borrowing costs plunged, even for Greece, after the president of the European Central Bank said three words — “whatever it takes” — suggesting that the bank would, if necessary, step in to buy the debt of troubled economies.
Yet Germany took the lead in demanding that debtor nations impose extreme austerity measures, especially spending cuts, no matter how large the economic costs. And those costs were immense: Between 2009 and 2013 the Greek economy shrank by 21 percent while the unemployment rate rose to 27 percent.
But while Germany was willing to impose economic
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Quote:You "misrepresent" what was said. AGAIN.
SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.
In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.
Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?
SECOND: Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.
Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide
"SECOND" really must mean "lying is my SECOND nature".
I'll leave yur lie up there for a while and see if anyone figures it out.
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Quote:During WWII, the Russian army distinguished itself by having the highest number of causalities of any army in history. With a bit more competence by Russia leaders, there wouldn't have been so much waste of Russian soldiers. Since WWII, Russian leaders had just as many years to get better at their jobs as every other country's leaders. But what have Russians accomplished in all those years, other than militarily, other than H-bombs, nuclear subs, missiles, and rebuilding their army? Not much: https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You "misrepresent" what was said. AGAIN.
SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.
In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.
Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?
SECOND: Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.
Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide
"SECOND" really must mean "lying is my SECOND nature".
I'll leave yur lie up there for a while and see if anyone figures it out.
Putin wants to bring his management skills to Ukraine. Ukrainians are not favorably impressed with his skills in managing the Russian economy (#11 in the world) or Russian army (#2 in the world). That army might not be big enough to handle Ukraine unless Putin makes the ultimate bad business decision -- nuke Ukraine to compensate for Putin's incompetent military leadership. If Putin does bring out the nukes, Russia will lose its position as the 11th largest economy in the world.
The world's 20 strongest militaries
https://www.businessinsider.in/defense/ranked-the-worlds-20-strongest-
militaries/slidelist/51930339.cms#slideid=51930371
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Relax, Karen.
Nobody is nuking anybody.
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SECOND is still hyperventilating about imaginary nothings?
Hey SECOND, just go back to hyperventilating about TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION and SADDAMWMD!
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Originally posted by second:Quote:During WWII, the Russian army distinguished itself by having the highest number of causalities of any army in history. With a bit more competence by Russia leaders, there wouldn't have been so much waste of Russian soldiers. Since WWII, Russian leaders had just as many years to get better at their jobs as every other country's leaders. But what have Russians accomplished in all those years, other than militarily, other than H-bombs, nuclear subs, missiles, and rebuilding their army? Not much: https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You "misrepresent" what was said. AGAIN.
SIGNYM:
In that entire article (the first one that comes up, Atlantic Council), SECOND, there is not one mention of Putin "denying" the Holodomor.
In the search results there is not one mention of Putin denying Russian responsibility.
Is lying so SECOND-nature that you just can't help yourself?
SECOND: Too bad, Signym, but you didn't try very hard.
Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide
"SECOND" really must mean "lying is my SECOND nature".
I'll leave yur lie up there for a while and see if anyone figures it out.
Putin wants to bring his management skills to Ukraine. Ukrainians are not favorably impressed with his skills in managing the Russian economy (#11 in the world) or Russian army (#2 in the world). That army might not be big enough to handle Ukraine unless Putin makes the ultimate bad business decision -- nuke Ukraine to compensate for Putin's incompetent military leadership. If Putin does bring out the nukes, Russia will lose its position as the 11th largest economy in the world.
The world's 20 strongest militaries
https://www.businessinsider.in/defense/ranked-the-worlds-20-strongest-
militaries/slidelist/51930339.cms#slideid=51930371
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
The Russian economy is history. The assumed competence of the Russian army is history.
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Ted's going to spend the day talking out of his ass about things he has no idea about again.
Imagine that, huh?
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Quote:What is in the news this morning? Russia kills children at train station. Russia kicked off the UN Human Rights Council for killing children. Putin's children are being sanctioned for what daddy has done. Just another day in Putin's War Against Nazi Children.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND is still hyperventilating about imaginary nothings?
Hey SECOND, just go back to hyperventilating about TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION and SADDAMWMD!
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Originally posted by second:Quote:What is in the news this morning? Russia kills children at train station. Russia kicked off the UN Human Rights Council for killing children. Putin's children are being sanctioned for what daddy has done. Just another day in Putin's War Against Nazi Children.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND is still hyperventilating about imaginary nothings?
Hey SECOND, just go back to hyperventilating about TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION and SADDAMWMD!
Putin might as well be waging war on his own army the way they're getting cut down.
I think at this point, he's down to getting "joy" out of ANY destruction. Pretty obvious his army can't win anything, so he's had to fall back on his Aleppo approach from the safety of long range. Total pussy move. Can't help think back on this meeting and the obvious bruh moment between Putin and MBS.
There's nothing as joyful for Putin as meeting someone who knows how to cut people into small pieces.
Fcker has had 20 years. He could have done good things for his people, but fck that! Get rid of the smart people and keep the cowards and the dummies, piss off most of the civilized/wealthy world, tank your economy, destroy your army... zero for 10.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:What is in the news this morning? Russia kills children at train station. Russia kicked off the UN Human Rights Council for killing children. Putin's children are being sanctioned for what daddy has done. Just another day in Putin's War Against Nazi Children.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND is still hyperventilating about imaginary nothings?
Hey SECOND, just go back to hyperventilating about TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION and SADDAMWMD!
Putin might as well be waging war on his own army the way they're getting cut down.
I think at this point, he's down to getting "joy" out of ANY destruction. Pretty obvious his army can't win anything, so he's had to fall back on his Aleppo approach from the safety of long range. Total pussy move. Can't help think back on this meeting and the obvious bruh moment between Putin and MBS.
There's nothing as joyful for Putin as meeting someone who knows how to cut people into small pieces.
Fcker has had 20 years. He could have done good things for his people, but fck that! Get rid of the smart people and keep the cowards and the dummies, piss off most of the civilized/wealthy world, tank your economy, destroy your army... zero for 10.
Agreed G. Still, it's nice to see
all sig's posts over the years about the Russian military
being formattable, go up in smoke. I'll admit, I'm loving that.
T
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Quote:So in addition to using civilians as human shields, blowing up a theater full of people and executing civilians for bartering with Russians, Ukie troops have no problems firing on their own panicked civilians.
All the statements of representatives of the Kyiv nationalist regime about the alleged 'missile attack' by Russia on April 8 at the railway station in Kramatorsk are a provocation and absolutely do not correspond to reality," the statement said.
"On April 8, the Russian armed forces did not conduct or plan any artillery fires in the city of Kramatorsk.
"We emphasize that the Tochka-U tactical missiles, the wreckage of which was found near the Kramatorsk railway station and published by eyewitnesses, are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces."
Nice!
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Quote:The Russians are using dream logic where Putin is the "man" and Zelenskyy is the "neighbor" and Ukraine is the "damaged kettle". In an example used by Sigmund Freud in The Interpretation of Dreams, a man accused by his neighbor of having returned a kettle in a damaged condition offered three arguments:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:So in addition to using civilians as human shields, blowing up a theater full of people and executing civilians for bartering with Russians, Ukie troops have no problems firing on their own panicked civilians.
All the statements of representatives of the Kyiv nationalist regime about the alleged 'missile attack' by Russia on April 8 at the railway station in Kramatorsk are a provocation and absolutely do not correspond to reality," the statement said.
"On April 8, the Russian armed forces did not conduct or plan any artillery fires in the city of Kramatorsk.
"We emphasize that the Tochka-U tactical missiles, the wreckage of which was found near the Kramatorsk railway station and published by eyewitnesses, are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces."
Nice!
That he had returned the kettle undamaged;
That it was already damaged when he borrowed it;
That he had never borrowed it in the first place.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Kettle-Logic
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Oh Jeez, more bogus "mind reading" from SECOND, where he gets to accuse Putin/Russia of any imaginary thing he can dream up.
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Quote:Signym, you really should not see the film Donbass [2018] because you won't have any idea what is going on. You'd complain that you'd have to be a "mind reader" to understand the movie. I had no trouble, but you, very clearly, struggle to comprehend the simplest situations when those are not rigorously structured especially for your sad little mental abilities, which you boast about. I didn't have any trouble downloading the movie or the subtitles, separately.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh Jeez, more bogus "mind reading" from SECOND, where he gets to accuse Putin/Russia of any imaginary thing he can dream up.
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/donbass
https://web.archive.org/web/20220408010226/https://www.nytimes.com/202
2/04/07/movies/donbass-review.html
https://1337x.unblockit.llc/search/Donbass/1/
https://yts.mx/movie/donbass-2018
https://yifysubtitles.org/subtitles/donbass-2018-english-yify-27315
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'Kill them all, for f**k sake': Shocking intercepted radio traffic revealing Russian soldiers killing and raping civilians.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/08/audio-intercepts-russian-s
oldiers-chance-vpx.cnn
Standard Russian response to such video of corpses lying in the street is:
1) It didn't happen.
2) We don't know what happened.
3) We know that Ukrainians raped and killed Ukrainians.
4) Repeat 1, 2, 3 ad infinitum and throw in at random intervals a few "fake news" and "Nazis rule Ukraine" and "where is proof" and "Russia is the real victim" and "Russia is being unfairly persecuted/slandered/denigrated".
5) The most important step: keep faith that the war ends soon and the world forgets these dead just as the world forgot about the previous tens of millions that Russia has raped and murdered since the Russian Revolution of 1917.
Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917
http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
100 Years of Communism—and 100 Million Dead
https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dea
d-1510011810
Tsar Nicholas II and his family were murdered on July 17th, 1918.
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/months-past/murders-ekaterinburg
Yurovsky now came into the room with his Cheka squad, armed with revolvers, told the prisoners they had been sentenced to death, and shot Nicholas dead. The other guards immediately opened such a hail of fire that some of them were wounded in it. Tsarina Alexandra, Olga, Tatiana and Marie all fell dead, as did three of the servants. The fourth, the maid Anna Demidova, was sliced to pieces by bayonet thrusts. The terrified tsarevich, spattered with his father's blood, was shot, bayoneted and finally finished off with two shots from Yurovsky. Anastasia, the last Romanov alive, was bludgeoned with rifle butts and stabbed with bayonets.
The disposal of the bodies was a gruesome muddle. They were taken to the abandoned mine shaft in a truck and their clothes were burned on a bonfire before the corpses were dropped into a pool of water at the bottom of the shaft. It failed to conceal them and although some grenades were dropped into the shaft in an attempt to collapse it, the bodies had to be moved to a different shaft where sulphuric acid was used to destroy the faces, to prevent recognition. The second shaft also turned out to be inadequate and in the end Yurovsky's men dug a deep grave and the corpses were buried in it on July 19th.
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From your link
Quote:
Ukrainian officials say there is new audio from intercepted radio traffic revealing ...
That's as far as I read.
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Quote:Did you think Russian officials would tattletale on Russia? There were tattletales at the murders of Tzar Nicholas II and his family. The murderers went to town, got drunk, and told everybody what they had done. That was 1918, before radio was common in military operations, but Russians still haven't learned how to keep from bragging nor how to hide the bodies. They're still dumping the bodies into shallow waters, or into wells, or using explosives on the bodies, or trying to hide them under a few inches of dirt in Ukraine, very much like what Russians did at Ekaterinburg in 1918 and very much like Russians have done to 100 million other murder victims since then. It is a national tradition of Russians.
Originally posted by SignyM:
From your linkQuote:
Ukrainian officials say there is new audio from intercepted radio traffic revealing ...
That's as far as I read.
The Murders at Ekaterinburg. Tzar Nicholas II and his family were murdered on July 17th, 1918. https://www.historytoday.com/archive/months-past/murders-ekaterinburg
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Uh huh.
Your fantasies are running away with you, again.
Ukraine "says" a lot of shit and so far, none of it's been true.
Show me evidence that this is true, not tittle-tattle from Ukrainian-German-USA psyop.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Uh huh.
Your fantasies are running away with you, again.
Ukraine "says" a lot of shit and so far, none of it's been true.
Show me evidence that this is true, not tittle-tattle from Ukrainian-German-USA psyop.
Easily done stupid.
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UN General Assembly suspends Russia from Human Rights Council
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Uh huh.
Your fantasies are running away with you, again.
Ukraine "says" a lot of shit and so far, none of it's been true.
Show me evidence that this is true, not tittle-tattle from Ukrainian-German-USA psyop.
And yet again stupid.
T
You don't resign after you're fired': Russia quits human rights council after suspension
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Quote:Here is your evidence: Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Uh huh.
Your fantasies are running away with you, again.
Ukraine "says" a lot of shit and so far, none of it's been true.
Show me evidence that this is true, not tittle-tattle from Ukrainian-German-USA psyop.
http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
Signym, the Russian victims number is 61,911,000 from 1917 to 1987. Russia is a slaughterhouse. Do you have proof the slaughtering ended in 1987, Signym?
Wherever Russians go, they leave corpses behind. Russians entered Ukraine, fired millions of rounds of ammo, left behind brass shell casings everywhere, and the Russians want to claim those Ukrainian corpses were not killed by Russians? That is very funny. Where is the evidence Russians did NOT kill those Ukrainians, but the Ukrainians killed themselves?
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SIGNYM:
Uh huh.
Your fantasies are running away with you, again.
Ukraine "says" a lot of shit and so far, none of it's been true.
Show me evidence that this is true, not tittle-tattle from Ukrainian-German-USA psyop.
SECOND Here is your evidence: Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917
http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
Signym, the Russian victims number is 61,911,000 from 1917 to 1987. Russia is a slaughterhouse. Do you have proof the slaughtering ended in 1987, Signym?
That's a new low in logic, even for you SECOND. You're
1) asserting that what Russia did from 1917 to 1887 is what they are doing today and then
2) demanding PROOF of absence, which is (as you know) a logical impossibility. That's like GWB demanding proof that Saddam DIDN'T have WMD.
You turned into a Republican, and are scraping the bottom of the barrel (mind-reading, emotionalism, wild allegations, proof of absence) trying to justify yourself.
You should quit. Not "while you're ahead", but b4 you dig yourself deeper.
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Not much news about the Russia Oil Ban Sanctions bill. Voted 414-17.
Maybe they are still trying to hide it.
Within the bill are new laws giving Lord Darth Obiden great powers to sanction anyplac3e for anything, forcing the world to have abortions.
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Quote:Chip Roy had a good explanation for all that, but I didn't catch all the details correctly. Heard him being interviewed by Glenn Beck.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Not much news about the Russia Oil Ban Sanctions bill. Voted 414-17.
Maybe they are still trying to hide it.
Within the bill are new laws giving Lord Darth Obiden great powers to sanction anyplac3e for anything, forcing the world to have abortions.
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Quote:The text is here:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Chip Roy had a good explanation for all that, but I didn't catch all the details correctly. Heard him being interviewed by Glenn Beck.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Not much news about the Russia Oil Ban Sanctions bill. Voted 414-17.
Maybe they are still trying to hide it.
Within the bill are new laws giving Lord Darth Obiden great powers to sanction anyplac3e for anything, forcing the world to have abortions.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/6968/text
One hundredth seventeenth Congress of the United States of America
AT THE SECOND SESSION
Begun and held at the City of Washington on Monday,
the third day of January, two thousand and twenty-two
An Act To prohibit the importation of energy products of the Russian Federation, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. Short title.
This Act may be known as the “Ending Importation of Russian Oil Act”.
SEC. 2. Prohibition on importation of energy products of the Russian Federation.
All products of the Russian Federation classified under chapter 27 of the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States shall be banned from importation into the United States, in a manner consistent with any implementation actions issued under Executive Order 14066 (87 Fed. Reg. 13625; relating to prohibiting certain imports and new investments with respect to continued Russian Federation efforts to undermine the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine).
https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/eo_prohibitions_imports_inv
estments.pdf
SEC. 3. Termination of prohibition on importation of energy products of the Russian Federation.
(a) In general.—The President is authorized to terminate the prohibition on importation of energy products of the Russian Federation under section 2 if the President submits to Congress a certification under subsection (c). Such termination shall take effect beginning on the date that is 90 calendar days after the date of submission of such certification, unless there is enacted into law during such 90-day period a joint resolution of disapproval.
(b) Consultation and report.—The President shall, not later than 45 calendar days before submitting a certification under subsection (a)—
(1) consult with—
(A) the Committee on Ways and Means and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives; and
(B) the Committee on Finance and the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate; and
(2) submit to all such committees a report that explains the basis for the determination of the President contained in such certification.
(c) Certification.—A certification under this subsection is a certification in writing that—
(1) indicates that the President proposes to terminate under subsection (a) the prohibition under section 2; and
(2) contains a determination of the President that the Russian Federation—
(A) has reached an agreement to withdraw Russian forces and for the cessation of military hostilities that is accepted by the free and independent government of Ukraine;
(B) poses no immediate military threat of aggression to any North Atlantic Treaty Organization member; and
(C) recognizes the right of the people of Ukraine to independently and freely choose their own government.
(d) Joint resolution of disapproval.—
(1) DEFINITION.—For purposes of this section, the term “joint resolution of disapproval” means only a joint resolution—
(A) that does not have a preamble;
(B) the title of which is as follows: “Joint resolution disapproving the President’s certification under section 3(c) of the Ending Importation of Russian Oil Act.”; and
(C) the matter after the resolving clause of which is as follows: “That Congress disapproves the certification of the President under section 3(c) of the Ending Importation of Russian Oil Act, submitt
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Bleak Assessments of Russian Economy Contradict Putin’s Rosy Claims
Russia’s central bank chief warned on Monday that the consequences of Western sanctions were only beginning to be felt, and Moscow’s mayor warned that 200,000 jobs were at risk in the Russian capital alone, stark acknowledgments that undermined President Vladimir V. Putin’s contention that sanctions had failed to destabilize the Russian economy.
While experts say Russia faces an economic time bomb as its inventory of imported goods and parts runs low, Mr. Putin is using the fact that the Russian economy has not yet collapsed to bolster his contention that sanctions will not deter him.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bleak-assessments-of-russian-econ
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Sanctions hit Russian economy, although Putin says otherwise
NEW YORK (AP) — Nearly two months into the Russian-Ukraine war, the Kremlin has taken extraordinary steps to blunt an economic counteroffensive from the West. While Russia can claim some symbolic victories, the full impact of Western sanctions is starting to be felt in very real ways.
As the West moved to cut off Russia’s access to its foreign reserves, limit imports of key technologies and take other restrictive actions, the Kremlin launched some drastic measures to protect the economy. Those included hiking interest rates to as high as 20%, instituting capital controls and forcing Russian business to convert their profits into rubles.
As a result, the value of the ruble has recovered after an initial plunge, and last week the central bank reversed part of its interest rate increase. Russian President Vladimir Putin felt emboldened and proclaimed — evoking World War II imagery — that the country had withstood the West’s “blitz” of sanctions.
“The government wants to paint a picture that things are not as bad as they actually are,” said Michael Alexeev, an economics professor at the University of Indiana, who studied Russia’s economy in its transition after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
A closer look, however, shows that the sanctions are taking a bite out of Russia’s economy:
— The country is enduring its worst bout of inflation in two decades. Rosstat, the state’s economic statistic agency, said inflation last month hit 17.3%, the highest level since 2002. By comparison, the International Monetary Fund expects consumer prices in developing countries to rise 8.7% this year, up from 5.9% last year.
— Some Russian companies have been forced to shut down. Several reports say a tank manufacturer had to stop production due to the lack of parts. U.S. officials point to the closing of Lada auto plants — a brand made by Russian company Avtovaz and majority-owned by French automaker Renault — as a sign of sanctions having an effect.
— Moscow’s mayor says the city is looking at 200,000 job losses from foreign companies shutting down operations. More than 300 companies have pulled out, and international supply chains have largely shut down after container company Maersk, UPS, DHL and other transportation firms exited Russia.
— Russia is facing a historic default on its bonds, which will likely freeze the country out of the debt markets for years.
Meanwhile, Treasury officials and most economists urge patience that sanctions take months to have full effect. If Russia can't get appropriate amounts of capital, parts or supplies over time, that will cause even more factories and businesses to shut down, leading to higher unemployment.
It took nearly an entire year after Russia was sanctioned for seizing Ukraine's Crimea peninsula in 2014 for its economic data to show signs of distress, such as higher inflation, a decline in industrial production and a slowdown in economic growth.
“The things that we should be looking for to see if the sanctions are working are, frankly, not easy to see yet,” said David Feldman, a professor of economics at William & Mary in Virginia. “We’ll be looking for the price of goods, the quantity of goods they are producing and the quality of goods. The last being the hardest to see and probably the last to appear.”
Russia Ukraine War Effectiveness of Sanctions
Transparency into how sanctions are affecting the Russian economy is limited, largely because of the extraordinary lengths the Kremlin has taken to prop it up and its largest sector — oil and gas — is largely unencumbered due to European, Chinese and Indian reliance on Russian energy.
IMF chief expects "deep recession" in Russia due to sanctions
Benjamin Hilgenstock and Elina Ribakova, economists with the Institute of International Finance, estimated in a report released last month that if the European Union, Britain and the U.S. were to ban Russian oil and natural gas, the Russian economy could contract more than 20% this
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Russia doubles fossil fuel revenues since invasion of Ukraine began
Russia has nearly doubled its revenues from selling fossil fuels to the EU during the two months of war in Ukraine, benefiting from soaring prices even as volumes have been reduced.
Russia has received about €62bn from exports of oil, gas and coal in the two months since the invasion began, according to an analysis of shipping movements and cargos by the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air.
For the EU, imports were about €44bn for the past two months, compared with about €140bn for the whole of last year, or roughly €12bn a month.
The findings demonstrate how Russia has continued to benefit from its stranglehold over Europe’s energy supply, even while governments have frantically sought to prevent Vladimir Putin using oil and gas as an economic weapon.
Even though exports from Russia have been reduced by the war and sanctions, the country’s dominance as a source of gas has meant cutting off supplies has only increased prices, which were already high because of tight supply as global economies recovered from the Covid-19 pandemic. Crude oil shipments from Russia to foreign ports fell by 30% in the first three weeks of April, compared with rates in January and February, before the invasion, according to the CREA data.
But the higher prices Russia can now command for its oil and gas mean its revenues, which flow almost directly to the Russian government through state-dominated companies, have risen even while sanctions and export restrictions bite. Russia has effectively caught the EU in a trap where further restrictions will raise prices further, cushioning its revenues despite the best efforts of EU governments.
Lauri Myllyvirta, lead analyst for CREA, said the cash propped up Putin’s war effort, and the only way to disable his war machine was to move rapidly away from fossil fuels. “Fossil fuel exports are a key enabler of Putin’s regime, and many other rogue states,” he said. “Continued energy imports are the major gaps in the sanctions imposed on Russia. Everyone who buys these fossil fuels is complicit in the horrendous violations of international law carried out by the Russian military.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/27/russia-doubles-fossil-fu
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Two months after Putin invaded Ukraine, Germany is still funding the Russian war chest to the tune of €4.5bn a month. Berlin is the largest buyer of Russian fossil fuels. The world is looking to Germany to demonstrate strength and determination towards Russia, but instead they’re bankrolling the war and blocking a European embargo on Russian oil.
Germany was the biggest importer in the last two months, despite repeated avowals by the government that halting dependence on Russian oil was a priority. The country paid about €9bn for imports during the period.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/27/russia-doubles-fossil-fu
el-revenues-since-invasion-of-ukraine-began
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-fossil-fuel-revenues-do
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Meanwhile, the ruble, which took a steep dive when the Russian Central Bank was attacked by the west, is now the strongest it's been in 20 years.
https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/RUBUSD/
Just imagine buying rubles a month ago. What an opportunity!
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Germany doesn't want to follow the Biden* administration down the poverty hole.
Good for Germany.
Fuck Ukraine. Fuck Russia. Nobody cares.
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Quote:Winston Churchill went to total war and the resentful voters, who couldn't vote Hitler out, responded by kicking Churchill out at the first opportunity. The British voters and companies would have been happy to sell fuel to Hitler because they are about that stupid. Ever since, politicians have been well aware that if war gets too uncomfortable for the average voter, it is the politicians who will be punished. Voters don't think clearly ahead (but they will have a vague uneasiness) to what will happen to them if Hitler or Putin win. Bombs have to be falling on the voters before they really understand what could happen to voters if Hitler or Putin win. Once Hitler couldn't bomb Britain, the British voters started seeing Churchill, not Hitler, as the real enemy they had to do something about.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Because of
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-fossil-fuel-revenues-do
uble-despite-western-sanctions
Meanwhile, the ruble, which took a steep dive when the Russian Central Bank was attacked by the west, is now the strongest it's been in 20 years.
https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/RUBUSD/
Just imagine buying rubles a month ago. What an opportunity!
Until Putin bombs Britain, the USA, and Germany, a majority of voters will only see how much a problem their own government is, and not see Putin as a problem except to Ukrainians. As 6ix likes to say, over and over, nobody cares about Ukraine (until Putin bombs 6ix).
When a winner becomes a loser: Winston Churchill was kicked out of office in the British election of 1945
https://theconversation.com/when-a-winner-becomes-a-loser-winston-chur
chill-was-kicked-out-of-office-in-the-british-election-of-1945-129746
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So, Putin = Hitler?
A compilation of your biggest hits just from this thread alone would be a hoot!
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Quote:There is the part about Putin destroying cities, raping women and generalized war crimes, approximately what Hitler did. But Signym and Putin and Hitler have said none of those things happened. Who to believe? Belief is so difficult a question when you disbelieve MSM.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So, Putin = Hitler?
A compilation of your biggest hits just from this thread alone would be a hoot!
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Completely unsurprising that Putin calls West an 'Empire of Lies' after sanctions imposed. Hint: It is Putin who is lying.
https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-calls-west-an-empire-lies-after-sa
nctions-imposed-2022-02-28/
(History says Hitler was lying to his voters. Surprise! Surprise! The German voters didn't believe Hitler was lying until after he was dead, which was far too late to make a difference.)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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So, Putin = Hitler?
Yes yes, you've got it.
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So, Putin = Hitler?
Yes yes, you've got it.
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Biden asks Congress for additional $33 billion in Ukraine aid
U.S. lawmakers have indicated they’re ready to approve additional money, as there is bipartisan backing for Ukraine’s fight against Russia.
New money would be on top of the $13.6 billion U.S. lawmakers authorized last month.
Aid to Ukraine includes
$20.4 billion in military and other security assistance,
$8.5 billion in economic assistance and
$3 billion in humanitarian assistance and food-security funding.
Biden on Thursday weighed in on recent Russian rhetoric on the use of nuclear weapons.
“No one should be making idle comments about the use of nuclear weapons. It’s irresponsible.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20220428184953/https://www.marketwatch.com
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Biden asks Congress for additional $33 billion in Ukraine aid
U.S. lawmakers have indicated they’re ready to approve additional money, as there is bipartisan backing for Ukraine’s fight against Russia.
New money would be on top of the $13.6 billion U.S. lawmakers authorized last month.
Aid to Ukraine includes
$20.4 billion in military and other security assistance,
$8.5 billion in economic assistance and
$3 billion in humanitarian assistance and food-security funding.
Biden on Thursday weighed in on recent Russian rhetoric on the use of nuclear weapons.
“No one should be making idle comments about the use of nuclear weapons. It’s irresponsible.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20220428184953/https://www.marketwatch.com
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Just add that to the ever-evolving list of reasons I will never earn enough money to pay Federal taxes again in my life.
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Quote:Why not take shallow breathes and only one small, low-calorie meal per day because you wish to conserve the Earth's precious resources? You might want to also stop taking showers more than once per week because bathing wastes energy to heat the water. Think of all the money you will save by cutting back on food, fuel and water. You will be a virtuous example to the World. Maybe there could be a TV show about you called Shameless Poor White Trash.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just add that to the ever-evolving list of reasons I will never earn enough money to pay Federal taxes again in my life.
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When Russia invaded Ukraine, the idea that it might lose seemed far-fetched. Vladimir Putin appeared to have a powerful, modernized army, supported by a defense budget a dozen times larger than Ukraine’s. You didn’t have to buy into Ted Cruz-style fantasies about the prowess of a military that wasn’t “woke” and “emasculated” to expect a quick Russian battlefield victory.
And even after Ukraine’s miraculous defeat of Russia’s initial attack, one had to wonder about the longer-term prospects. Before the war, Russia’s economy was about eight times bigger than Ukraine’s; despite the toll that sanctions are taking on Russian production, the destruction in Ukraine wrought by the invasion probably means that the gap is even bigger now. So you might have expected Russia to eventually win a battle of attrition through sheer weight of resources.
But that isn’t what seems to be happening. Nobody can be sure about the extent to which Putin himself understands how the war is going; are his terrified officials willing to tell him the truth? But the way Russia is lashing out, with dire but vague threats against the West and self-destructive tantrums like Wednesday’s cutoff of natural gas flows to Poland and Bulgaria, suggests that at least somebody in Moscow is worried that time is not on Russia’s side. And U.S. officials are beginning to talk optimistically, not just about holding Russia off, but about outright Ukrainian victory.
How can this be possible? The answer is that America, while not directly engaged in combat, is once again doing what it did in the year before Pearl Harbor: We, with help from our allies, are serving as the “arsenal of democracy,” giving the defenders of freedom the material means to keep fighting.
For those who aren’t familiar with this history: Britain in 1940, like Ukraine in 2022, had unexpected success against a seemingly unstoppable enemy, as the Royal Air Force defeated the Luftwaffe’s attempt to achieve air superiority, a necessary precondition for invasion. Nonetheless, by late 1940 the British were in dire straits: Their war effort required huge imports, including both military hardware and essentials like food and oil, and they were running out of money.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt responded with the Lend-Lease Act, which made it possible to transfer large quantities of arms and food to the beleaguered British. This aid wasn’t enough to turn the tide, but it gave Winston Churchill the resources he needed to hang on, which eventually set the stage for Allied victory.
Now Lend-Lease has been revived, and large-scale military aid is flowing to Ukraine, not just from the United States but also from many of our allies.
Thanks to this aid, the arithmetic of attrition is actually working strongly against Putin. Russia’s economy may be much bigger than Ukraine’s, but it’s small compared with the American economy, let alone the combined economies of the Western allies. And with its limited economic base, Russia doesn’t appear to have the capacity to replace its battlefield losses; Western experts believe, for example, that the fighting in Ukraine so far has cost Russia two years’ worth of tank production.
Ukraine’s army, by contrast, is getting better equipped, with ever more heavy weapons, by the day. Assuming Congress agrees to President Biden’s request for an additional $33 billion in aid — a sum we can easily afford — cumulative Western support for Ukraine will soon come close to Russia’s annual military spending.
In other words, as I said, time appears to be on Ukraine’s side. Unless the Russians can pull off the kind of dramatic battlefield success that has eluded them so far — such as a blitzkrieg-style assault that encircles a large part of Ukraine’s forces — and do it very soon, the balance of power seems set to keep shifting in Ukraine’s favor.
And let’s be clear about two things.
First, if Ukraine really does win, it will be a triumph for the forces of freedom everywhere. Would-be aggressors and war criminals will be given pause. Western enemies of democracy,
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Just add that to the ever-evolving list of reasons I will never earn enough money to pay Federal taxes again in my life.
Why not take shallow breathes and only one small, low-calorie meal per day because you wish to conserve the Earth's precious resources? You might want to also stop taking showers more than once per week because bathing wastes energy to heat the water.
Why the fuck would I do any of that? You must be mistaking me for somebody who gives a shit about the environment. My carbon footprint is small because I don't have a bunch of fuck trophies and I live a minimalist lifestyle. It has nothing to do with hugging trees.
My point was, I'm not making enough money to pay Federal taxes ever again because I in no way approve how they spend ANY of it. And I certainly don't remember anybody ever asking me if we should keep sending billions to Ukraine. The answer is NO and my Senator will get a vote against him in November because he's all-fucking-in on Ukraine he can go fuck himself.
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Think of all the money you will save by cutting back on food, fuel and water.
I live off about $125 per week right now. I don't think there's much more that could be cut out of the budget.
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You will be a virtuous example to the World.
And what ever would give you the idea that I'm the virtue-signalling type?
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Maybe there could be a TV show about you called Shameless Poor White Trash.
Sure. Try to shame the guy who figured out long before he needed to how to live FAR below his means. Yanno. The guy who answers to no one and hasn't had a rent or mortgage payment since 2010, or a car payment since 2001. lol. Good luck!
That's the world we live in now. Can't shame fat people for being fat fucks or shame stupid people for piling on so much debt that they need to work thankless jobs to make somebody else rich for the rest of their lives. Boy! That $6,500 per month of obligatory bills and the bullshit bling you bought with it is SURE impressive. I'm especially SUPER envious of the 50% of your net income that goes to paying interest on shit you like to pretend that you own too. Wow.
Maybe they SHOULD make a show about me. I could teach all of those rich virtue-signalling white dildos how to live below their means and they'd just naturally reduce their carbon footprint down to next-to-nothing and stop fucking up nature if they in a million years could ever actually give up all of those things that you and I know that they'd never give up.
Meanwhile...
Have fun at work tomorrow, bitch.
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Try to understand what is wrong with Russia, 6ix. The Russians’ lying, the Russians’ murdering, the Russians’ threats to nuke the world are there for you to see. Ukraine is working to keep Russian wrongness from spreading beyond Russia’s borders. There is an entire physics book on the science behind correcting wrongness:
David Deutsch
The Beginning of Infinity
Explanations that Transform the World
From the introduction:
Progress that is both rapid enough to be noticed and stable enough to continue over many generations has been achieved only once in the history of our species. It began at approximately the time of the scientific revolution, and is still under way. It has included improvements not only in scientific understanding, but also in technology, political institutions, moral values, art, and every aspect of human welfare.
Whenever there has been progress, there have been influential thinkers who denied that it was genuine, that it was desirable, or even that the concept was meaningful. They should have known better. There is indeed an objective difference between a false explanation and a true one, between chronic failure to solve a problem and solving it, and also between wrong and right, ugly and beautiful, suffering and its alleviation – and thus between stagnation and progress in the fullest sense.
In this book I argue that all progress, both theoretical and practical, has resulted from a single human activity: the quest for what I call good explanations. Though this quest is uniquely human, its effectiveness is also a fundamental fact about reality at the most impersonal, cosmic level – namely that it conforms to universal laws of nature that are indeed good explanations. This simple relationship between the cosmic and the human is a hint of a central role of people in the cosmic scheme of things.
Must progress come to an end – either in catastrophe or in some sort of completion – or is it unbounded? The answer is the latter. That unboundedness is the ‘infinity’ referred to in the title of this book. Explaining it, and the conditions under which progress can and cannot happen, entails a journey through virtually every fundamental field of science and philosophy. From each such field we learn that, although progress has no necessary end, it does have a necessary beginning: a cause, or an event with which it starts, or a necessary condition for it to take off and to thrive. Each of these beginnings is ‘the beginning of infinity’ as viewed from the perspective of that field. Many seem, superficially, to be unconnected. But they are all facets of a single attribute of reality, which I call the beginning of infinity.
Download the book for free at https://libgen.unblockit.llc/search.php?req=David+Deutsch+Beginning
Russia ought to read the book. It is country that needs good explanations, but it is not getting them from Putin or his government apparatus.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Try to understand what is wrong with Russia, 6ix. The Russians’ lying, the Russians’ murdering, the Russians’ threats to nuke the world are there for you to see. Ukraine is working to keep Russian wrongness from spreading beyond Russia’s borders.
It's not a question of understanding.
I don't believe your sources, or any of their sources. They've never given us a single reason to believe anything they say. And the fact that fucking WAR is the only goddamned thing that Democrats and most Republicans seem to agree on anymore in the 2020's should send up some pretty big fucking red flags for you too.
We've got more than enough problems to deal with right here in this country, and we're not doing a goddamned thing to address any one of them.
Don't worry about ME not voting Democrat in November. You already knew that was never going to happen.
Worry about everybody else who would have, had life not started to turn to shit for all of them in the last 2 years. You're already going to see a majority of Latinos vote against Democrats in 2022. It won't be long until a majority of blacks vote against Democrats too. I'd also be surprised if it weren't a 50/50 split with non-professional unions as well.
All that will be left voting for Democrats soon are rich people. And as you like to point out, there aren't a lot of rich people.
The rest of us don't give a single shit about Russia or Ukraine.
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Try to understand what is wrong with Russia, 6ix. The Russians’ lying, the Russians’ murdering, the Russians’ threats to nuke the world are there for you to see.
SECOND, you are describing to Jack the qualities he looks for when he decides who to vote for. You should know this better than anyone.
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Try to understand what is wrong with Russia, 6ix. The Russians’ lying, the Russians’ murdering, the Russians’ threats to nuke the world are there for you to see.
SECOND, you are describing to Jack the qualities he looks for when he decides who to vote for. You should know this better than anyone.
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Hey Ted. 90% of the shit that you've been spouting in here for the last two years has been debunked after the fact and it's been proven that Social Media and the Legacy Media have been lying about it.
Oh... and you voted for Hillary in 2016 and she couldn't stop talking about how she'd nuke Russia.
You and Second ain't the good guys here.
And now you're finally losing.
The mail-in fraud election will be one of the best things that happened to our country in the long term.
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Russia grossly mis-assessed the level of support a Russian invasion would receive from the Ukrainian population. Their assumptions were not supported by contemporary social science research, which has found that Ukrainians strongly supported their homeland before the Russian-backed war in Donbas, which started in 2014, and did so even more after 2014. Russia’s current invasion has only further strengthened Ukrainian national cohesion and sense of identity.
Ukrainian citizens’ strong rejection of the Russian occupation spotlights how Russia’s war in Ukraine is one of attempted imperial expansion and certainly not one of national reunification. And, while imperial powers can adopt different techniques to rule their conquered territories, Russia’s current rhetoric and actions suggest that any Ukrainians in territory conquered by Russia will be subject to Russian attempts to extirpate their Ukrainian identity. In this regard, the Russian occupiers are likely to go even further than they did in Donbas, where the teaching of Ukrainian language has almost been wiped out. Indeed, the banning of symbols of Ukrainian identity, outlawing of Ukrainian language instruction in schools, and the covering historical narratives in the media and in education that fit Putin’s distorted version of the facts are likely to compose key elements of Russian occupation.
This kind of authoritarian rule is exactly the type of scenario Timur Kuran envisioned when he developed the idea of preference falsification. Given the possibility of harsh repression or even death under Putin’s regime, Ukrainians who currently share their opinions freely with the world will likely be forced to falsify their preferences under Russian occupation if Putin is able to consolidate his rule.
More at https://warontherocks.com/2022/04/roots-of-the-resistance-understandin
g-national-identity-in-ukraine/
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Nobody cares.
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A full European ban on Russian oil is coming
After weeks of reluctance over banning Russian oil imports, German officials today (Apr. 29) reversed course, agreeing to a gradual, EU-wide embargo. Other European countries have recently grown more amenable to such a ban as well, as Russia’s war on Ukraine has persisted.
The EU’s 27 member states have to agree unanimously for a ban to come into effect. But Germany had been the major opponent to this measure, because it purchases so much Russian oil and gas. Last year, Germany bought 27 billion tons of Russian crude, a third of its overall oil consumption. “It was a mistake that Germany became so heavily dependent on energy imports from Russia,” Christian Lindner, Germany’s finance minister, told the New York Times earlier this month.
But like other European states, Germany has been scrambling to find alternative sources of fuel—to the extent that Russian oil now accounts for only 12% of domestic consumption. In all, the EU buys 3 million barrels of oil from Russia everyday. Countries like Germany can diversify their sourcing by buying instead from the US, Iran, Norway, and Canada, wrote Maciej Miniszewski, a climate and energy analyst at the Polish Economic Institute.
The two other big European customers of Russian oil, Poland, and the Netherlands, have both pledged to cut off all imports by the end of the year. Germany, too, wants time for a phased transition—a slow process, but still a significant shift from its earlier stance, in which German officials insisted that a ban on Russian oil would be too ruinous to European economies to be feasible.
Depriving Russia of oil revenues will ramp up the financial difficulties it already faces from a slew of Western sanctions. The EU will announce a sixth package of sanctions soon, possibly including proposals for the transition away from Russian oil.
Stopping imports of Russian gas, on the other hand, is still a more distant ambition. When Russia stopped supplies of gas to Poland and Bulgaria this week, other European countries stepped in to fill part of their needs. But last year, the EU imported 40% of its gas from Russia, and Brussels plans only to try to slash that by two-thirds by the end of this year.
https://qz.com/2160717/a-total-european-ban-on-russian-oil-is-coming/
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Quote:Moscow depends on foreign middlemen to ferry its most strategic and lucrative export around the world: oil. Now the most-important middleman, Trafigura Group, is joining several competitors in cutting off Russian giant Rosneft Oil Co. from global oil markets.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
In a high-stakes move that goes farther than official Western sanctions, the Swiss commodities trader plans to stop exporting Rosneft’s crude altogether. It will cut its business with the Russian oil producer to a sliver of prewar levels, supplying only some refined products such as diesel into Europe, according to a spokeswoman.
https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2022/04/29/oil-middlemen-fueled-putin
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Oil Middlemen Fueled Putin’s War Machine. Now They’re Getting Out.
Joe Wallace and Eliot Brown
Russia built a self-proclaimed fortress around its economy in the run-up to war—but there was a crack. Moscow depended on foreign middlemen to ferry its most strategic and lucrative export around the world: oil.
Now the most-important middleman, Trafigura Group, is joining several competitors in cutting off Russian giant Rosneft Oil Co. from global oil markets. In a high-stakes move that goes farther than official Western sanctions, the Swiss commodities trader plans to stop exporting Rosneft’s crude altogether. It will cut its business with the state producer to a sliver of prewar levels, supplying only some refined products such as diesel into Europe, according to a spokeswoman.
Trafigura and other traders were already poised to lose a big chunk of their Russian business on May 15, when sanctions go into effect that bar them from selling Rosneft oil to countries outside the European Union and Switzerland. In also deciding to cut exports to Europe, long the biggest buyer of Russian oil, they are getting ahead of EU countries that are discussing a full ban.
Vitol, Trafigura’s biggest competitor in oil, also plans to retreat from the Russian market, according to people familiar with the decision. Glencore PLC, a mining and trading giant with a long history in Russia, suspended its contract to export Rosneft oil in March, people familiar with the decision said.
It marks a shift for the traders, which have long done business where few other Western companies would dare, given that many of the world’s valuable commodities are found in places that have struggled with corruption, instability and war.
While the traders continued to ship Russian oil after war broke out, they faced mounting pressures from Western governments, financial institutions and Ukrainian officials. A huge drop in European demand, given the stigma of sending petrodollars to Moscow, made the decision easier.
“The world has changed,” said Jean-François Lambert, a consultant to the commodities industry and former head of commodities trade finance at HSBC. “We are not in a twilight situation. We are in a black-and-white situation.”
Their disengagement is forcing Russia to hastily rework its commodity-export business, the foundation of the country’s economic wealth and the feedstock for Vladimir Putin’s war machine. Rosneft accounts for about a third of Russia’s total oil production and about a fifth of the government’s revenues.
The retreat will also likely mean substantial losses on investments the traders made in the country as they sought to deepen their roots, such as a giant drilling project in the Arctic Circle partly owned by Trafigura and Vitol. On the core business of trading, the merchants face risks as they pull out, as a messy unwinding from Russia could stick them with millions of barrels of unsalable oil if they aren’t adroit.
Trafigura, like many traders, is privately held and offers less disclosure about its operations and financial results than public companies. Owned by its 1,000-odd partners, it competes with the likes of Vitol and Geneva-based Gunvor Group as well as the trading arms of oil producers including BP PLC and Shell PLC.
Headed by Australian Chief Executive Jeremy Weir, the firm is legally based in Singapore, though its top executives operate out of a bland seven-story office building in Geneva with a pharmacy on the ground level.
The company generates almost twice as much revenue as Facebook owner Meta Platforms. It churned out a profit of $3.1 billion in the year through last September.
Last month, Trafigura announced it had doubled the size of a credit facility with banks to more than $2 billion to weather extreme price moves sparked by the war in Ukraine. A set of Trafigura bonds issued late last year have fallen nearly 10% since just before the start of the war. Bonds of other commodity traders fell in price, too.
Trafigura dates back to a bust-up in 1993 at Marc Rich & Co., run
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Originally posted by second:
A full European ban on Russian oil is coming
After weeks of reluctance over banning Russian oil imports, German officials today (Apr. 29) reversed course, agreeing to a gradual, EU-wide embargo. Other European countries have recently grown more amenable to such a ban as well, as Russia’s war on Ukraine has persisted.
Yes, and the goal is to weaken Russia for generations. Many of these sanctions and boycotts are designed to hurt Russia long term. Weaning off Russian fossil fuels is designed to be permanent, and it is happening faster than could have been predicted. This time next year it will be a dramatically changed Europe. A change for the better for sure.
tick tock, thanks Putin
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A change for the better for sure.
Get back to me when their already expensive petrol prices jump even higher.
Then watch what happens here in November.
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Quote:Same as in 1972, when the poor white trash voted for the Republican Party, followed by the oil crisis. It was an excellent transfer of poor white trash money to the wealthy Texas oil men. The old men at the Petroleum Club of Houston still reminisce about how it was a great time to get richer.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
A change for the better for sure.
Get back to me when their already expensive petrol prices jump even higher.
Then watch what happens here in November.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_United_States_presidential_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
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What Can Be better Than Stealing?
More stealing! LOL, Germany wants to expropriate Russia-owned refineries in Germany. Now, Poland wants the piece of the action too.
As Poland desperately attempts to restore the flow of Russian gas to the country, its government has ordered Russian Novatek to hand over pipeline infrastructure or face legal action amounting to infrastructure expropriation. On Friday, a Polish government spokesman told the Associated Press that Russian Novatek Green Energy had been ordered to make its pipelines available to Polish companies and that failure to comply would mean legal action. Invoking crisis management laws, AP cited government spokesperson Piotr Mueller as saying that the fate of Novatek, Russia’s second-largest natural gas producer, “depends on whether this Russian firm, linked to Russia, will cooperate in the proper way …. whether the employees, acting on some instructions, will not be trying to block this process in some way”.
But, wait a minute, it was Poland, if my memory doesn't fail me, who wanted spot-pricing initially, which drove prices through the stratosphere, and then Poland underscored at every opportunity her independence from Russian totalitarian gas. And now she is desperate. Oh my, such a Polish thing to do. Sure, let Poland cease [seize- SIGNY] the pipe-line, see what happens. Polish political top brass should recall a fundamental principle of any war, bet that hot, cold or merely economic. It reads like that: war is a very democratic affair--the enemy also has a say.
Understanding this fundamental principle seems to escape the minds of EU "elites" and as the result each time they get slapped in the face by Russia they get hysterical and forget, in addition to other forgotten things, that normal governance, same as normal war-fighting, is done based on contingency planning. Russians do contingency planning 24/7 and the results are showing in the last 8 years.
MORE AT
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What Can Be better Than Stealing?
More stealing! LOL, Germany wants to expropriate Russia-owned refineries in Germany. Now, Poland wants the piece of the action too.
Vladimir Putin threatens to seize assets of Western businesses that have left Russia
Russian President Vladimir Putin responded Thursday by saying that if foreign companies shut down production in Russia, he favored a plan to “bring in outside management and then transfer these companies to those who want to work.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2022/03/13/russia-putin-
threatens-to-seize-assets-of-departing-western-companies/7026192001/
Putin Allows Russian Airlines To Steal Foreign Aircraft
Putin’s new law lets airlines register foreign planes in Russia
https://onemileatatime.com/news/putin-russian-airlines-steal-foreign-a
ircraft/
I've been reading about Putin doing this long before your post comrade. I guess other countries decided if Putin's going to do this so should they.
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How to slash Putin’s oil revenue, avert a price shock for the West and fund Ukraine reparations
(Craig Kennedy is an energy professional. He is writing a book on the history of Russian oil and civil society.)
The West today is by far Russia’s largest customer, absorbing some 6 million barrels a day of Russian oil — over half Russia’s total output. By contrast, Russia’s export infrastructure to Asia is relatively modest. The first and only pipeline to China and the Pacific wasn’t completed until 2019 and carries less than 15 percent of Russia’s total output.
So, what would happen to those 6 million barrels a day if the West stopped buying? Russian officials have threatened to send it “elsewhere,” while the media have focused on stories of stepped-up sales to China and India. But this threat of a redirection to Asia is a paper tiger.
To begin with, Russia’s pipeline capacity to Asia is already full. This means the redirected oil would need to travel by sea from terminals on the Black Sea and the Baltic. To move that much oil over such a long distance would require some 230 supertankers — 30 percent of the global fleet — operating day in and day out. Such a massive seaborne flotilla (if it could even be chartered in the first place) would require a small army of third-party enablers: marine insurers, bankers, commodities traders, vessel owners, etc. Some of these third parties have already been avoiding the Russia oil trade, fearful of current sanctions. If the West imposes a full, coordinated embargo on Russian exports, including sanctions on third parties enabling the trade, most ships in the flotilla would never set sail. The sanctions risk would be too great. Instead, the volumes previously flowing West would end up “stranded” on Russian shores.
Which begs the question: What would Russia do with all that stranded oil? The answer highlights Russian oil’s second strategic vulnerability. Russia lacks large-scale storage capacity, so the only option would be to leave all this oil in the ground — that is, not to produce it in the first place. Known as “shutting in production,” this scenario would be severely damaging to Moscow for several reasons, some self-evident others less so.
Most obvious would be the loss of vital export revenues. Less evident, however, is the extensive damage a prolonged, large-scale shut-in could do to Russia’s upstream production capacity. Russia is not like Saudi Arabia, where advantageous geology and advanced infrastructure create immense swing capacity — the ability to vary production levels quickly and efficiently. Most Russian oil wells have meager flow rates and poor economics. A prolonged, large-scale shut-in would mean laboriously closing tens of thousands of these marginal wells, many of which could never return to profit. It could also compromise complex pressure maintenance programs critical to field profitability.
Restoring lost production capacity at marginal fields after a long shut-in would be a very slow and costly process — if it is possible at all. When Russia suffered a major drop in production in the early 1990s, it took over a decade, along with large amounts of Western capital and technology, to restore production to its previous levels.
Beyond operational consequences, there would be still other negative consequences of a shut-in. It would weaken support for Putin in Russia’s important oil producing regions. It would erode Russia’s standing in the OPEC+ cartel, and it would put Russia’s export market share at risk. Finally, it would deprive Putin of the key source of economic rents used to maintain his authoritarian rule.
With diversion to Asia a chimera and shutting-in a catastrophic risk, Russia turns out to be far more reliant on the West to absorb its oil than many Western policymakers may realize. And this dependency gives the West the leverage needed to impose smart oil sanctions that can achieve Western objectives while minimizing self-harm.
How would such sanctions work? Western governments would start by announcing a full em
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How to slash Putin’s oil revenue, avert a price shock for the West and fund Ukraine reparations
Democrats don't get to tell you any of that.
Gas prices were already well over a dollar more per gallon than they were a year prior, before you were able to point out Ukraine on a map.
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Quote:I have been in the meetings where the price of fuel is decided. Politicians have no way of changing those prices, except in countries like Venezuela, Libya, Iran. By the way, those 3 countries are selling a gallon of gasoline for less than 20 cents. US Refineries could sell it that low, but why would they? The US government will have to nationalize the refineries and oil fields before that happens. It has happened before, during WWII prices were set by the Federal government, but not since. I am not worried or sorry that Americans can't understand how fuel prices are set, but that is your problem. I set prices, so tough luck for poor white trash who are buying fuel.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
How to slash Putin’s oil revenue, avert a price shock for the West and fund Ukraine reparations
Democrats don't get to tell you any of that.
Gas prices were already well over a dollar more per gallon than they were a year prior, before you were able to point out Ukraine on a map.
Venezuela Gasoline prices, US Gallon, 25-Apr-2022
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Venezuela/gasoline_prices/
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=OJU5
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Two, send me money buddy. Lots of it. We're friends, right?
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Quote:Did you ever hear of John D Rockefeller? He didn't become a philanthropist until after he retired. I'm not retired.
Originally posted by THG:
Two, send me money buddy. Lots of it. We're friends, right?
T
Rockefeller and associates controlled almost all oil production, processing, marketing, and transportation in the United States. The Sherman Anti-Trust Act broke up Mr. Rockefeller's Standard Oil Company and Trust in 1911, but by the 1970's it was obvious to me that all those former parts of Rockefeller's Trust had reassembled themselves to take the maximum amount of money away from Americans. That is why the price of gasoline goes up and down in synchronization at all gas stations. They are adjusting prices to take the maximum possible money from fuel buyers. Between the cracks separating those big oil companies there was room for little people like me, all thanks to the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.
Fortunately for people who sell fuel, there was no 20th Century version of Senator John Sherman to draft a new and more effective version of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act to handle this obvious collusion (a word incorrectly used about Trump/Russia but actually describes what oil companies are still doing in the 21st Century).
It is possible to draft legislation to control not just American gasoline prices, but also the price Putin gets for his oil. That article explains how Putin could be bullied into lowering his prices because of the geology of Russian oil fields: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/04/26/sanction-russian-oil
-without-hurting-west-00027478
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Standard-Oil
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/sherman-anti-trust-act
The world’s largest oil companies are churning out massive profits in the first few months of the year even as they face uncertainties created by Russia’s war with Ukraine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220430185559/https://www.houstonchronicl
e.com/home/article/Oil-majors-Exxon-and-Chevron-yield-hefty-profits-17137826.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Mobile)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I have been in the meetings where the price of fuel is decided. Politicians have no way of changing those prices, except in countries like Venezuela, Libya, Iran. By the way, those 3 countries are selling a gallon of gasoline for less than 20 cents. US Refineries could sell it that low, but why would they? The US government will have to nationalize the refineries and oil fields before that happens. It has happened before, during WWII prices were set by the Federal government, but not since. I am not worried or sorry that Americans can't understand how fuel prices are set, but that is your problem. I set prices, so tough luck for poor white trash who are buying fuel.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
How to slash Putin’s oil revenue, avert a price shock for the West and fund Ukraine reparations
Democrats don't get to tell you any of that.
Gas prices were already well over a dollar more per gallon than they were a year prior, before you were able to point out Ukraine on a map.
Venezuela Gasoline prices, US Gallon, 25-Apr-2022
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Venezuela/gasoline_prices/
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=OJU5
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I've paid about $150 for gas so far this year. I'm not worried about me, honey.
So why was gas only $2.20 here almost the entire time Trump was President?
Oil companies were just being nice between 2016 and 2020, huh?
Don't break your back shilling so hard.
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Quote:To get into the natural gas business, I explained to my Republican voting relatives how fuel prices are set. The relatives told me I was wrong-wrong-wrong because the President of the United States sets the prices indirectly. My relatives didn't know, and haven't learned since then, how fuel prices are set. I don't think they will ever understand, but because they didn't loan me money to start my business, they didn't get any of the profits. They think it is unfair, but I tell them if they are so smart about how the fuel business works (they still insist the President indirectly sets prices) why aren't they rich?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've paid about $150 for gas so far this year. I'm not worried about me, honey.
So why was gas only $2.20 here almost the entire time Trump was President?
Oil companies were just being nice between 2016 and 2020, huh?
Don't break your back shilling so hard.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Two, send me money buddy. Lots of it. We're friends, right?
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Did you ever hear of John D Rockefeller? He didn't become a philanthropist until after he retired. I'm not retired.
Too funny two, too funny.
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Too funny two, to funny.
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To get into the natural gas business, I explained to my Republican voting relatives how fuel prices are set. The relatives told me I was wrong-wrong-wrong because the President of the United States sets the prices indirectly. My relatives didn't know, and haven't learned since then, how fuel prices are set. I don't think they will ever understand, but because they didn't loan me money to start my business, they didn't get any of the profits. They think it is unfair, but I tell them if they are so smart about how the fuel business works (they still insist the President indirectly sets prices) why aren't they rich?
The internet is full of people who lie about how rich they are.
There's not one single person here who believes any stories about you being rich except for Ted. And that's only because Ted is a simple minded fool and you happen to say things that he agrees with.
You would literally die if your circumstances changed and had to live my life overnight, while I flourish.
It's taken years of discipline and living far below my means even when income was great to do what I've done and continue to do today.
I was even able to afford to and weather a 5 year near-zero-income binge drinking session without losing it all in between and subsequently build myself back up to where I was before that while also making great improvements on my house and land at the same time.
You are talking to the wrong guy about financial stability, Second. I'm a rock.
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Wow. Ted fixed his "typo" after the fact.
First time I ever saw him do that before. He usually sticks with stupid after I point it out.
Good job, buddy.
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Bam!
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Until Ukraine, Russia Lobbyists Successfully Blunted U.S. Sanctions After Foreign Adventurism
After unpopular assaults on Crimea and eastern Ukraine, Russia and Kremlin-associated interests spent millions on lobbying in Washington.
The invasion of Ukraine is not the first time in recent memory that Russian foreign policy has given rise to harsh criticisms in Washington. But it does mark the first time that the Kremlin has been hobbled in its ability to respond through normal D.C. channels — namely, through high-powered K Street lobbyists.
Before its invasion of Ukraine, the Kremlin poured hefty sums of money into lobbying in Washington, D.C. The Kremlin itself, state-run companies, and other firms linked to Russia’s leadership frequently used K Street lobbyists in the 21st century to soften the fallout from Russia’s foreign misadventures — often to spare Russian entities from the worst punishments. Now sanctions on the Russian government and Kremlin-linked firms have meant that kind of spending isn’t possible.
Many Russian interests have shifted their lobbying goals to just trying to manage the breakup of the U.S.-Russia relationship.
“With Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, it became clear that we don’t need lobbyists, we need really good divorce lawyers,” said Julie Newton, a research fellow at the Russian and Eurasian Studies Centre at St. Antony’s College. “Lobbying today is a dialogue of the deaf.”
That wasn’t always the case. The Russian government and Kremlin-connected firms successfully garnered considerable influence in the U.S. prior to the recent invasion of Ukraine.
Russia’s high-dollar lobbying approach kicked off in August 2008, when it tried to pacify U.S. responses to Russian aggression following the country’s invasion of Georgia. Washington placed blame for the five-day war squarely on Russia, particularly given the Kremlin’s recognition of independence for the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the expulsion of Georgian forces from the two territories. Led by the late Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., many Washington power brokers called for punishing Russian aggression.
With punitive actions on the table, Russia nearly doubled its spending on lobbyists. In total, the amount of money reported by firms receiving from Russian interests soared from just over $5 million in 2007, prior to the invasion, to more than $9 million in 2009, an analysis of Foreign Agents Registration Act records shows.
Ketchum, a public relations firm representing the Russian Federation, went into overdrive to flip the narrative and blame Georgia for the conflict. Ketchum facilitated interviews for the New York Times with Russian military officials, distributed briefing notes on the war to the Washington Post, and arranged a CNN interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin himself. Ketchum also helped place an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal from Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on August 20, 2008, which said that Russia “remains committed to a peaceful resolution in the Caucasus.” In early 2009, the Russian government hired another firm, Alston & Bird, amid a multimillion-dollar surge in lobbying spending by Russian interests.
This Russian rehabilitation campaign largely worked, and the Kremlin successfully weathered the storm wrought by its invasion of Georgia. The George W. Bush administration did little to punish Putin’s aggression in 2008, and Russia was an afterthought in the Obama administration — or, sometimes, literally a punchline.
Russia would again face down consequences from Washington following its 2014 annexation of the Crimean Peninsula. With President Barack Obama joining in on the criticisms, Washington was less forgiving than after the war in Georgia. Though Obama was clear to rule out any military conflict with Russia, the U.S. announced a visa ban, canceled military consultations with Russia, expanded military flights over former Soviet states, sanctioned several Russian firms, and expanded security assistance to Ukraine.
In response
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The U$D is rising against other major currencies, but the Russian ruble is now rising against the U$D, at 69 rubles per dollar - more valuable than it was BEFORE the Ukraine invasion.
You're boring. All you do is spout propaganda/ wishful thinking that is SO at variance from reality there is no way to even have a pointed discussion with you, much less expect any sort of actual analysis.
Sanctions will hurt Russia. But they will also hurt the EU probably even more. The question is, who is going to be hurt faster and reach a political collapse first?
You can't fight reality.
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Quote:The ruble’s value is not the best barometer of how effective the sanctions are. Annual inflation accelerated to 17.73% as of April 29, its highest since 2002 and up from 17.70% a week earlier, the economy ministry said. Inflation is on track to accelerate to 18-23% in the whole of 2022, the central bank forecasts. It targets inflation of 4%. Year-to-date, consumer prices are up 11.56%.
Originally posted by SignyM:
The U$D is rising against other major currencies, but the Russian ruble is now rising against the U$D, at 69 rubles per dollar - more valuable than it was BEFORE the Ukraine invasion.
You can't fight reality.
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/russian-weekly-inflation-ease
s-after-rate-cut-2022-05-06/
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