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Monday, August 28, 2017 12:13 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Not sure where you are in Texas, second, just hope you are a-ok.

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Monday, August 28, 2017 2:27 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


I got 23 inches of rain in 24 hours in Baytown:
www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KTXBAYTO43#
history/s20170827/e20170827/mdaily


Nothing I own got flooded (or drowned or stranded) because it is all well above the 500-year flood plain, but that doesn't mean what it once meant because Harris County, Texas has gotten three 500-year floods in the past three years. I think the flood maps need to be redrawn despite being revised in 2016.
www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/28/16211392/100-500-year-flood-m
eaning


The article says Houston has a current Hazard Mitigation Plan to discourage people from building homes in the 100-year floodplain, but it doesn’t say anything about the 500-year floodplain. Even the things the city of Houston is trying to do aren’t working: 7,000 homes were built since 2010 in 100-year flood plain of the city.

The floodplain map comes with a Disclaimer:
www.harriscountyfemt.org/

The Harris County Flood Control District's Flood Education Mapping Tool is for general information purposes only and may not be suitable for legal, engineering or surveying purposes. The floodplains shown on this mapping tool are those delineated on the Federal Emergency Management Agency's (FEMA) effective Flood Insurance Rate Map (FIRM or floodplain map) for Harris County that was adopted in 2007, as well as updates that have been made through a Letter of Map Revision (LOMR) since 2007. This mapping tool is not an effective FIRM. The effective FIRM is produced, maintained and published by FEMA and not by the Harris County Flood Control District. Please visit FEMA's Map Service Center at https://msc.fema.gov/portal to view the effective FIRM for Harris County. For an official floodplain determination, please contact an insurance agent or mortgage lender.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 28, 2017 3:25 PM

THGRRI


Hey SECOND. Glad to hear you didn't float away. Hope you and yours stay safe and dry.






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Monday, August 28, 2017 4:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I got 23 inches of rain in 24 hours in Baytown:
www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KTXBAYTO43#
history/s20170827/e20170827/mdaily


Nothing I own got flooded (or drowned or stranded) because it is all well above the 500-year flood plain, but that doesn't mean what it once meant because Harris County, Texas has gotten three 500-year floods in the past three years. I think the flood maps need to be redrawn despite being revised in 2016.
www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/28/16211392/100-500-year-flood-m
eaning


The article says Houston has a current Hazard Mitigation Plan to discourage people from building homes in the 100-year floodplain, but it doesn’t say anything about the 500-year floodplain. Even the things the city of Houston is trying to do aren’t working: 7,000 homes were built since 2010 in 100-year flood plain of the city.

The floodplain map comes with a Disclaimer:
www.harriscountyfemt.org/

The Harris County Flood Control District's Flood Education Mapping Tool is for general information purposes only and may not be suitable for legal, engineering or surveying purposes. The floodplains shown on this mapping tool are those delineated on the Federal Emergency Management Agency's (FEMA) effective Flood Insurance Rate Map (FIRM or floodplain map) for Harris County that was adopted in 2007, as well as updates that have been made through a Letter of Map Revision (LOMR) since 2007. This mapping tool is not an effective FIRM. The effective FIRM is produced, maintained and published by FEMA and not by the Harris County Flood Control District. Please visit FEMA's Map Service Center at https://msc.fema.gov/portal to view the effective FIRM for Harris County. For an official floodplain determination, please contact an insurance agent or mortgage lender.

that's hilarious. Is Baytown in Harris County?
Is there a reason they give for building in their flood plain?

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Monday, August 28, 2017 5:09 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


I thoroughly blame my mother for moving down there four years ago.

She's an albatross, what can I say...




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Monday, August 28, 2017 5:15 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

that's hilarious. Is Baytown in Harris County?
Is there a reason they give for building in their flood plain?



It's all the Repugs trying to get out of Cali. Not kidding. Read an article on it the other day. Although it did point out that 43% of Texas voters voted for Hillary. There really isn't any readily available housing in South Texas, from what mom says. Bet a dry house next to the gays doesn't look so bad now


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Monday, August 28, 2017 6:04 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

that's hilarious. Is Baytown in Harris County?
Is there a reason they give for building in their flood plain?

Baytown and Houston are both in Harris County. Every piece of land gets built on because this is a Republican controlled state where they despise land use guidelines, even though about 25% of the County is in a flood plain. Some low elevation subdivisions would have been better, as far as floods, if nothing had ever been built there and cows were left to roam.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 28, 2017 6:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

that's hilarious. Is Baytown in Harris County?
Is there a reason they give for building in their flood plain?

Baytown and Houston are both in Harris County. Every piece of land gets built on because this is a Republican controlled state where they despise land use guidelines, even though about 25% of the County is in a flood plain. Some low elevation subdivisions would have been better, as far as floods, if nothing had ever been built there and cows were left to roam.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

in the past few years, have these low elevation subdivisions been bailed out, subsidized after floods?

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Monday, August 28, 2017 9:12 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

in the past few years, have these low elevation subdivisions been bailed out, subsidized after floods?

Yes, it does. I'll pick just a single example, Meyerland, to give you an idea how costly it is for the Federal Government to keep bailing out homeowners in areas of Harris County that should have forever remained cow pastures in a flood zone.

The $480 million project, referred to as "Project Brays" is expected to be finished in late summer 2018.
http://abc13.com/weather/meyerland-residents-know-theyll-flood-and-are
-ready/2335315
/

Meyerland home floods for 4th time in less than 2 years
www.click2houston.com/news/meyerland-home-floods-for-4th-time-in-less-
than-2-years


Appropriately named the "Tax Day Floods," the storm system dropped as much as 17 inches of rain in parts of the city from April 17 to 18, 2016. After it was all said and done, eight people died, and over 700 homes and apartments were flooded.
www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/tax-day-flood/article/Revisiting-Hous
ton-s-Tax-Day-Floods-one-year-later-11077890.php


100-Year Flood? Shoot, Houston Is in Trouble During a 10-Year Storm
www.houstonpress.com/news/100-year-flood-shoot-houston-is-in-trouble-d
uring-a-10-year-storm-8307297


Houston’s Tax Day flooding put into historical perspective
https://spacecityweather.com/houstons-flooding-review

Houses can be built in a flood zone, but it will cost extra to keep them from flooding. The houses will have to be elevated, but that makes the house look funny compared to a "normal" house built a mile away in an area that never floods, so unscrupulous builders won't do it because most buyers aren't smart enough to know the difference.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 28, 2017 10:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

in the past few years, have these low elevation subdivisions been bailed out, subsidized after floods?

Yes, it does. I'll pick just a single example, Meyerland, to give you an idea how costly it is for the Federal Government to keep bailing out homeowners in areas of Harris County that should have forever remained cow pastures in a flood zone.

The $480 million project, referred to as "Project Brays" is expected to be finished in late summer 2018.
http://abc13.com/weather/meyerland-residents-know-theyll-flood-and-are
-ready/2335315
/

Meyerland home floods for 4th time in less than 2 years
www.click2houston.com/news/meyerland-home-floods-for-4th-time-in-less-
than-2-years


Appropriately named the "Tax Day Floods," the storm system dropped as much as 17 inches of rain in parts of the city from April 17 to 18, 2016. After it was all said and done, eight people died, and over 700 homes and apartments were flooded.
www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/tax-day-flood/article/Revisiting-Hous
ton-s-Tax-Day-Floods-one-year-later-11077890.php


100-Year Flood? Shoot, Houston Is in Trouble During a 10-Year Storm
www.houstonpress.com/news/100-year-flood-shoot-houston-is-in-trouble-d
uring-a-10-year-storm-8307297


Houston’s Tax Day flooding put into historical perspective
https://spacecityweather.com/houstons-flooding-review

Houses can be built in a flood zone, but it will cost extra to keep them from flooding. The houses will have to be elevated, but that makes the house look funny compared to a "normal" house built a mile away in an area that never floods, so unscrupulous builders won't do it because most buyers aren't smart enough to know the difference.

Texas home loans don't have flood zone sign-off paperwork? Or competent lawyers?

And you got me, with the Fed bailout. I was thinking more local bailouts, by the authorities who created the problem.
Separation of authority and responsibility always renders both invalid.

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Monday, August 28, 2017 11:56 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Texas home loans don't have flood zone sign-off paperwork? Or competent lawyers?

And you got me, with the Fed bailout. I was thinking more local bailouts, by the authorities who created the problem. Separation of authority and responsibility always renders both invalid.

Texas is controlled by Republicans and Texas Republicans hate lawyers. There is no flood zone sign-off paperwork.

I know because I have seen it done that it is possible to build houses THAT WILL NOT FLOOD in an area that floods, but it involves digging flood water retention ponds and moving the excavated clay (all of Harris County is clay or sand) to build up the ground elevation 3' to 6' where the houses are built. All that dirt moving and compacting adds $20,000 to $40,000 to the cost of a lot. Most Texas builders would rather not pay for that. Gullible home buyers and local government let builders do pretty much as they please in Texas. The builders and local government can shift responsibility by blaming floods on God or bad luck. And the Federal Government pays the costs for flooding. It is a beautiful system for wealthy builders to make an extra-large profit.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 12:04 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Hey there JSF - you seem to have run away from a thread where you made yourself look like a lying sack of shit AND an idiot! But I'm still waiting for an answer to MY question. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61874&p=2




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 12:10 AM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by second:
And the Federal Government pays the costs for flooding.



Yes and no.

If you buy a home with a mortgage from a bank that's considered even on the slightest possible flood plain you're paying out the ass for additional FEMA flood insurance.


The builders, of course, make out like bandits. The gullible buyers are paying a lot more than they bargained for over the life of the ownership of that home if they don't pay attention, which hardly anybody does.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 1:04 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
And the Federal Government pays the costs for flooding.



Yes and no.

If you buy a home with a mortgage from a bank that's considered even on the slightest possible flood plain you're paying out the ass for additional FEMA flood insurance.


The builders, of course, make out like bandits. The gullible buyers are paying a lot more than they bargained for over the life of the ownership of that home if they don't pay attention, which hardly anybody does.

Since 75% of Houston homes CANNOT FLOOD because of physics, those home owners, no matter how gullible or inattentive, are protected. They can take absolutely no credit for their good fortune. It is dumb luck that the elevation is high enough to keep the water out of their houses. But it does not have to be luck. If enough dirt is moved, before the house is built, it WILL NOT FLOOD. Luck ran out for Galveston Texas in 1900. It took the death of 6,000 Texans by drowning to motivate the survivors to do the work of raising the elevation of the island. The Federal Government paid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 1:58 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Texas home loans don't have flood zone sign-off paperwork? Or competent lawyers?

And you got me, with the Fed bailout. I was thinking more local bailouts, by the authorities who created the problem. Separation of authority and responsibility always renders both invalid.

Texas is controlled by Republicans and Texas Republicans hate lawyers. There is no flood zone sign-off paperwork.

I know because I have seen it done that it is possible to build houses THAT WILL NOT FLOOD in an area that floods, but it involves digging flood water retention ponds and moving the excavated clay (all of Harris County is clay or sand) to build up the ground elevation 3' to 6' where the houses are built. All that dirt moving and compacting adds $20,000 to $40,000 to the cost of a lot. Most Texas builders would rather not pay for that. Gullible home buyers and local government let builders do pretty much as they please in Texas. The builders and local government can shift responsibility by blaming floods on God or bad luck. And the Federal Government pays the costs for flooding. It is a beautiful system for wealthy builders to make an extra-large profit.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

why did Obama FEMA do the bailouts? Along the Mississippi River, places like Iowa have had to sign that they would not qualify for bailout if they rebuilt in the flood zone again. They should try the same thing with the Harris Co housing.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:11 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey Second, sending you good thoughts, prayers, vibes and everything positive; and that you and yours are safe. Also sending good thoughts to the good folk of Texas.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I got 23 inches of rain in 24 hours in Baytown:
www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KTXBAYTO43#
history/s20170827/e20170827/mdaily


Nothing I own got flooded (or drowned or stranded) because it is all well above the 500-year flood plain, but that doesn't mean what it once meant because Harris County, Texas has gotten three 500-year floods in the past three years. I think the flood maps need to be redrawn despite being revised in 2016.
www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/28/16211392/100-500-year-flood-m
eaning


The article says Houston has a current Hazard Mitigation Plan to discourage people from building homes in the 100-year floodplain, but it doesn’t say anything about the 500-year floodplain. Even the things the city of Houston is trying to do aren’t working: 7,000 homes were built since 2010 in 100-year flood plain of the city.

The floodplain map comes with a Disclaimer:
www.harriscountyfemt.org/

The Harris County Flood Control District's Flood Education Mapping Tool is for general information purposes only and may not be suitable for legal, engineering or surveying purposes. The floodplains shown on this mapping tool are those delineated on the Federal Emergency Management Agency's (FEMA) effective Flood Insurance Rate Map (FIRM or floodplain map) for Harris County that was adopted in 2007, as well as updates that have been made through a Letter of Map Revision (LOMR) since 2007. This mapping tool is not an effective FIRM. The effective FIRM is produced, maintained and published by FEMA and not by the Harris County Flood Control District. Please visit FEMA's Map Service Center at https://msc.fema.gov/portal to view the effective FIRM for Harris County. For an official floodplain determination, please contact an insurance agent or mortgage lender.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 5:48 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Since 75% of Houston homes CANNOT FLOOD because of physics, those home owners, no matter how gullible or inattentive, are protected. They can take absolutely no credit for their good fortune. It is dumb luck that the elevation is high enough to keep the water out of their houses. But it does not have to be luck. If enough dirt is moved, before the house is built, it WILL NOT FLOOD. Luck ran out for Galveston Texas in 1900. It took the death of 6,000 Texans by drowning to motivate the survivors to do the work of raising the elevation of the island. The Federal Government paid.



The Federal Government paid, but the people who owned houses in flood plains with a mortgage also did. Anyone who has it now will be paying more next year after this latest incident.

You're right that a lot of dumb people lucked out into buying homes that weren't on flood plains, but you can't say that all of them did. I'm sure quite a few of them were smart enough to buy "high" and were aware of the differences.

There's also probably some that knew they were buying in a flood zone but for whatever reason they did it anyway. Maybe the extra insurance payment wasn't enough to keep them away from what was otherwise their dream house? People keep moving to the coasts even after Katrina happened. It's kind of like me picking up smoking cigarettes after 12 years of public school telling you not to smoke.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 5:57 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Second, sending you good thoughts, prayers, vibes and everything positive; and that you and yours are safe. Also sending good thoughts to the good folk of Texas.



I'm sure Second's fine. He doesn't seem to be the type that would have bought a home in a flood zone on purpose or on accident. Besides, I don't think Second ever met up with a problem he couldn't buy his way out of.

Save your prayers for all those people who just lost everything they owned.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:37 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Besides, I don't think Second ever met up with a problem he couldn't buy his way out of.

There is a future hurricane problem I can't buy my out of, but the Federal Government could. Texas A&M University explains:

www.tamug.edu/ikedike/
Hurricane Ike’s death and destruction vividly pointed out the need for protection from hurricane storm surge in the Houston-Galveston region. And, as bad as Ike was, we who live and work around Galveston Bay dodged a bullet. Before Ike hit, the forecast predicted a 25 foot storm surges up Galveston Bay. We were looking at possibly a $100 Billion hurricane, which could have killed hundreds, left thousands homeless and jobless and devastated the nation’s largest petrochemical complex and crippled its busiest port.

This terrible scenario can be prevented. We can apply best practices and existing technologies used in the Netherlands and New Orleans to protect our region. The coastal spine concept is the approach the Dutch used after their 1953 surge disaster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ike_Dike
Opponents of the project worry that it is simply too expensive (some estimates place the cost between $3 billion and $4 billion)

In my opinion, if there was a good chance of $100 billion in damage to Houston and the cost to prevent possible damage is $4 billion, I would spend the money. But that is not how politics works in America. The damage will have to come first and only after the disaster will money be spent to prevent the next disaster. See the Galveston Seawall for an example of where 6,000 Texans had to drown before the Federal Government would pay to prevent the same from happening again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galveston_Seawall


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 10:22 AM

6STRINGJOKER


I meant a problem that effects you.


But if there is a legitimate plan for work that could be done today to prevent having to inevitably pay 30 times as much down the road only to fix what could have been prevented (and still not have the protection), I'm for it. Future planning is kind of my niche.

It could probably be done a lot cheaper too if we didn't just take the local governments at their word that the money was being wisely spent and there was an actual bidding process in place and the jobs weren't just going to cronies of the crooked government officials (like what ALWAYS happens in Democrat run Illinois, and why everybody wants to get the fuck out of Illinois because of the taxes).

It would also create a lot of jobs. Keep in mind that a lot of those jobs don't need to be unionized jobs. Just the potentially dangerous ones. That would also save a lot of money. We don't need to be paying somebody $40/hr to hold up a stop sign, for instance. Just don't give that job to the fattest and slowest POS on the lazy union team in case somebody is driving like an ass.

And for the love of god... don't let the guy (or gal) holding the sign use their damn smart phone until their break.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 11:04 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I meant a problem that effects you.

But if there is a legitimate plan for work that could be done today to prevent having to inevitably pay 30 times as much down the road only to fix what could have been prevented (and still not have the protection), I'm for it. Future planning is kind of my niche.

There have always been legitimate plans. There has always been insufficient willpower to pay for the plans. Insufficient until too late.

Turn on the coverage of the Hurricane Harvey and the Houston flooding and you’ll hear lots of talk about how unprecedented this kind of rainfall is. How no one saw it coming so no one could adequately prepare.

What you will hear very little about is why these kind of unprecedented, record-breaking weather events are happening with such regularity that “record-breaking” has become a meteorological cliché. In other words, you won’t hear much, if any, talk about climate change.

This, we are told, is out of a desire not to “politicize” a still unfolding human tragedy, which is an understandable impulse. But here’s the thing: every time we act as if an unprecedented weather event is hitting us out of the blue, as some sort of Act of God that no one foresaw, reporters are making a highly political decision because now is precisely when the enormous human and economic costs of past political inaction about flooding are on full public display.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 1:22 PM

6STRINGJOKER


That's the MSM for you. I know you attribute it squarely on the shoulders of Republicans, but that's wrong.

Unprecedented my ass. Guess Katrina never happened, huh?


I'm sure there are good, solid plans out there to prepare for these things. I didn't see any of them happening during the Obama administration either. The one thing you got right is that there is no will to move forward with any of them. I don't disagree with you on quite a few problems, Second. I just don't agree with your biased opinions on who's to blame. There is plenty of blame to go around for everyone. That includes the civilians who are on either side, aren't on any side, and the ones that don't give a shit at all.

What percentage of Americans would you guess actually go to town hall meetings? My guess would be about 1/3 of 1%. I feel I'm being generous there.


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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 1:23 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Here's a good map for places not to live if you don't like hurricanes.



It fascinates me that S America has only had the ONE.


BTW, we were planning on a trip to Texas next month. I even had tickets we bought with coke points to go to Six Flags Fiesta. I may see if they can be traded for six flags up here...

Hell, I may be the albatross

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
That's the MSM for you. I know you attribute it squarely on the shoulders of Republicans, but that's wrong.

Unprecedented my ass. Guess Katrina never happened, huh?


I'm sure there are good, solid plans out there to prepare for these things. I didn't see any of them happening during the Obama administration either. The one thing you got right is that there is no will to move forward with any of them. I don't disagree with you on quite a few problems, Second. I just don't agree with your biased opinions on who's to blame. There is plenty of blame to go around for everyone. That includes the civilians who are on either side, aren't on any side, and the ones that don't give a shit at all.

What percentage of Americans would you guess actually go to town hall meetings? My guess would be about 1/3 of 1%. I feel I'm being generous there.

The people in charge of Harris County (where Houston is) keep claiming that each new flood is the next to last one that will ever happen, so why do anything really expensive and effective for a permanent solution to flooding? They also criticize scientists and conservationists for being “anti-development.”

“They have an agenda ... their agenda to protect the environment overrides common sense.” But the people in charge grudgingly acknowledge that the latest projects in flood control wouldn’t come close to protecting against something like Houston's Tax Day flood, 2016.

Personally, I think the people who have been reelected for 30 or 40 years will either die in office or be replaced when the disasters grow so enormous that even the stupidest voters (getting smarter for one election, but not more than one because the stupid soon forget) understand for a couple of days that they are being cleverly cheated whenever possible by their superiors.

www.propublica.org/article/boomtown-flood-town-text

I keep forgetting to write that since the vast majority of Texans in Houston will NOT have their homes flooded, they don't want to pay to prevent floods in other people's homes. This makes it really easy for politicians to get away with not solving the flooding problem.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Second, sending you good thoughts, prayers, vibes and everything positive; and that you and yours are safe. Also sending good thoughts to the good folk of Texas.


I'm sure Second's fine. He doesn't seem to be the type that would have bought a home in a flood zone on purpose or on accident. Besides, I don't think Second ever met up with a problem he couldn't buy his way out of.

Save your prayers for all those people who just lost everything they owned.

ummmm, because, according to you, they intentionally bought a FLOOD ZONE HOUSE so they could "lose everything they own" - and then ask for sympathy for their incredible stupidity? Right?

Of course, this does not apply to those in a non-Flood Zone.

News says floodwaters are breaching or overflowing levees, reservoirs.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Second, sending you good thoughts, prayers, vibes and everything positive; and that you and yours are safe. Also sending good thoughts to the good folk of Texas.



I'm sure Second's fine. He doesn't seem to be the type that would have bought a home in a flood zone on purpose or on accident. Besides, I don't think Second ever met up with a problem he couldn't buy his way out of.

Save your prayers for all those people who just lost everything they owned.

ummmm, because, according to you, they intentionally bought a FLOOD ZONE HOUSE so they could "lose everything they own" - and then ask for sympathy for their incredible stupidity? Right?

Of course, this does not apply to those in a non-Flood Zone.

News says floodwaters are breaching or overflowing levees, reservoirs.

90% of Texans have no facts, just rumors, about whether they live in a flood zone or not until it floods. They could know the facts, but they don't look it up. Since the vast majority of Houstonians won't be flooded, ignorance is bliss. This is where you look it up:
www.harriscountyfemt.org/

I keep forgetting to write that since the vast majority of Texans in Houston will NOT have their homes flooded, they don't want to pay to prevent floods in other people's homes. This makes it really easy for politicians to get away with not solving the flooding problem. Quoting the Houston Chronicle: "Across the state, up to 30,000 people may need shelter and perhaps 450,000 could be eligible for federal flood victim assistance." 4.538 million (2015) live in Harris County, where Houston is located. That makes victims a small minority compared to those not flooded. The majority might care about victims, but not enough to want to pay more taxes for excellent prevention of floods.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:28 PM

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I heard that JJ Watt's fund page has topped $1.5 Billion in a day or 2. Apparently shut down the fund servers unable to handle the traffic.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I heard that JJ Watt's fund page has topped $1.5 Billion in a day or 2. Apparently shut down the fund servers unable to handle the traffic.

Are you deliberately misleading? Because you are off by about $1.5 Billion.

Houston Flood Relief Fund
For: Victims of Hurricane Harvey
Houston, TX
Organizer: JJ Watt
Houston Flood Relief Fund (Victims of Hurricane Harvey)

Raised $2,166,539 of $3,000,000 goal.
Raised by 25,947 donors
www.youcaring.com/victimsofhurricaneharvey-915053

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:27 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This is a 500-year flood, right? Most people would feel safe buying in a 500-year flood zone .... I know I would. I can't blame people for buying in a 500-year flood zone. Now, if it was a 50- or 100-year flood zone, I'd have a lot less sympathy. It's like people living in the foothills here ... the scenery is beautiful, you're not smack-dab in the dreary suburbs. But you DO run the risk of fire, and occasionally mudslides. I have a lot less sympathy for people living in areas where the known risk is high.

Our failure to prepare for catastrophic natural disasters (drought, flood, wind, fire, earthquake) is a kind of national failure, not limited to Texas. I feel sorry for those who are flooded. Unfortunately, Katrina, Superstorm Sandy, or any of the other natural disasters that we are heir to probably won't change our collective preparedness whether in a red or blue state. Greed talks, and preparing for disaster costs money.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I heard that JJ Watt's fund page has topped $1.5 Billion in a day or 2. Apparently shut down the fund servers unable to handle the traffic.

Are you deliberately misleading? Because you are off by about $1.5 Billion.

Houston Flood Relief Fund
For: Victims of Hurricane Harvey
Houston, TX
Organizer: JJ Watt
Houston Flood Relief Fund (Victims of Hurricane Harvey)

Raised $2,166,539 of $3,000,000 goal.
Raised by 25,947 donors
www.youcaring.com/victimsofhurricaneharvey-915053

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I will take your word for it, I must have misheard. I did think it was a fantastic amount.

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:36 PM

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This is a 500-year flood, right? Most people would feel safe buying in a 500-year flood zone .... I know I would. I can't blame people for buying in a 500-year flood zone. Now, if it was a 50- or 100-year flood zone, I'd have a lot less sympathy. It's like people living in the foothills here ... the scenery is beautiful, you're not smack-dab in the dreary suburbs. But you DO run the risk of fire, and occasionally mudslides. I have a lot less sympathy for people living in areas where the known risk is high.

Our failure to prepare for catastrophic natural disasters (drought, flood, wind, fire, earthquake) is a kind of national failure, not limited to Texas. I feel sorry for those who are flooded. Unfortunately, Katrina, Superstorm Sandy, or any of the other natural disasters that we are heir to probably won't change our collective preparedness whether in a red or blue state. Greed talks, and preparing for disaster costs money.

except that these so-called 500 year floods are actually occurring 3 times in 3 years- how reasonable is that?
The changing landscape due to construction and deliberate flood planning will change how the flood waters will react to the topography. 3 in 3 years should give somebody a clue that revision or reevaluation is overdue.

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This is a 500-year flood, right?

It might be bigger. 23.5" recorded in 14.5 hours was called a 10,000 year flood for the Tax Day Flood, April 17-18, 2016
https://spacecityweather.com/houstons-flooding-review/

I got 23" in 24 hours on August 27, 2017. I wish I could get a prize -- a personal weather station seems an appropriate award. Or tee shirt: “I Survived Harvey”
www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KTXBAYTO43#
history/s20170827/e20170827/mdaily


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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 5:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is a 500-year flood, right? Most people would feel safe buying in a 500-year flood zone .... I know I would. I can't blame people for buying in a 500-year flood zone. Now, if it was a 50- or 100-year flood zone, I'd have a lot less sympathy. It's like people living in the foothills here ... the scenery is beautiful, you're not smack-dab in the dreary suburbs. But you DO run the risk of fire, and occasionally mudslides. I have a lot less sympathy for people living in areas where the known risk is high.

Our failure to prepare for catastrophic natural disasters (drought, flood, wind, fire, earthquake) is a kind of national failure, not limited to Texas. I feel sorry for those who are flooded. Unfortunately, Katrina, Superstorm Sandy, or any of the other natural disasters that we are heir to probably won't change our collective preparedness whether in a red or blue state. Greed talks, and preparing for disaster costs money.

except that these so-called 500 year floods are actually occurring 3 times in 3 years- how reasonable is that?
The changing landscape due to construction and deliberate flood planning will change how the flood waters will react to the topography. 3 in 3 years should give somebody a clue that revision or reevaluation is overdue.



It's called climate change, wow.






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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 5:48 PM

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I keep hearing the Houston Mayor refused to allow evacuations. But haven't heard it on MSM - are they covering it up?

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Tuesday, August 29, 2017 5:51 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is a 500-year flood, right? Most people would feel safe buying in a 500-year flood zone .... I know I would. I can't blame people for buying in a 500-year flood zone. Now, if it was a 50- or 100-year flood zone, I'd have a lot less sympathy. It's like people living in the foothills here ... the scenery is beautiful, you're not smack-dab in the dreary suburbs. But you DO run the risk of fire, and occasionally mudslides. I have a lot less sympathy for people living in areas where the known risk is high.

Our failure to prepare for catastrophic natural disasters (drought, flood, wind, fire, earthquake) is a kind of national failure, not limited to Texas. I feel sorry for those who are flooded. Unfortunately, Katrina, Superstorm Sandy, or any of the other natural disasters that we are heir to probably won't change our collective preparedness whether in a red or blue state. Greed talks, and preparing for disaster costs money.

except that these so-called 500 year floods are actually occurring 3 times in 3 years- how reasonable is that?
The changing landscape due to construction and deliberate flood planning will change how the flood waters will react to the topography. 3 in 3 years should give somebody a clue that revision or reevaluation is overdue.

It's called climate change. Wow.

Magical Thinking at work.

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I keep hearing the Houston Mayor refused to allow evacuations. But haven't heard it on MSM - are they covering it up?

The last time there was evacuations in Houston, 100 people died on the road. Compare that to the 34 who died during Hurricane Harvey. Which number is larger? There is your answer to why no evacuation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Rita#Evacuation_deaths

Those 100 people who evacuated because of Hurricane Rita died for nothing because Rita missed Houston.

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Here is a neighborhood in Houston where most of the houses were purchased and torn down by the Federal Government after flooding. There always are a few people that won’t move, but they will after Hurricane Harvey: https://goo.gl/maps/8eCUvoJHwL62

Another google map of a neighborhood where most houses have been purchased and demolished by the Federal Gov: https://goo.gl/maps/LvpFY8zTgzm


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Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:23 AM

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... fully loaded, safety off...


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Magical Thinking at work.



It's just basic common sense really.

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Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Magical Thinking at work.



It's just basic common sense really.

Commonsense will give two opposite answers depending on whether:

1) You do only what is best for yourself

2) You do what is best for other people rather than making decisions that are first, last, always about only what is best for yourself.

You can still get away with making only type 1) decisions if you lie convincingly and consistently to other people about your true motivations. It is also clever to hid your ill-gotten gains from those other people. They might, if they work their brains a little bit, figure out that you're cheating them.
www.theguardian.com/news/2017/aug/18/neoliberalism-the-idea-that-chang
ed-the-world


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Looming catastrophe reflects political failure
www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Deadly-gumbo-and-H
outon-s-Katrina-Hurricane-12159910.php


Stretches of the city are beginning to emerge from the waters, but Houston remains beneath looming catastrophes — the Addicks and Barker Dams.

On the west side, two earthen berms have held back a wall of water that, if it breaks free, would create a deluge unseen since Hurricane Katrina submerged New Orleans.

A failure at Addicks alone would leave nearly 7,000 people dead and inflict $22.7 billion in property damage, Houston Chronicle reporter Lauren Caruba wrote last year.

We’d like to tell you that these dams, located near the intersection of Interstate 10 and Texas 6, are up-to-date marvels of technology and that everything was under control. But we’d be lying.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers branded both dams with the agency’s worst safety rating and labeled them as being at “extremely high risk of catastrophic failure” in 2009. Only four other dams in the nation earned that rock-bottom rating, and none are near a city as big as Houston.

The Corps confirms that water is flowing around the Addicks Reservoir spillways for the first time in its history. More than 3,000 homes have already flooded. Some may remain underwater for more than a month.

A disaster of this scale may seem unthinkable, but environmental and engineering activists have been ringing the warning bell for years.

This page wrote an editorial last year urging local and federal officials to make the dams an immediate priority. “There’s always the chance, however small,” we wrote, “that the next storm will be ‘the perfect storm.’” We may be living through it. Harris County, though, has preferred to focus on development foremost, even allowing construction within the reservoirs themselves. And you have to look back decades to find an era when Congress prioritized such infrastructure work.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Looming catastrophe reflects political failure
www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Deadly-gumbo-and-H
outon-s-Katrina-Hurricane-12159910.php


Stretches of the city are beginning to emerge from the waters, but Houston remains beneath looming catastrophes — the Addicks and Barker Dams.

On the west side, two earthen berms have held back a wall of water that, if it breaks free, would create a deluge unseen since Hurricane Katrina submerged New Orleans.

A failure at Addicks alone would leave nearly 7,000 people dead and inflict $22.7 billion in property damage, Houston Chronicle reporter Lauren Caruba wrote last year.

We’d like to tell you that these dams, located near the intersection of Interstate 10 and Texas 6, are up-to-date marvels of technology and that everything was under control. But we’d be lying.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers branded both dams with the agency’s worst safety rating and labeled them as being at “extremely high risk of catastrophic failure” in 2009. Only four other dams in the nation earned that rock-bottom rating, and none are near a city as big as Houston.

The Corps confirms that water is flowing around the Addicks Reservoir spillways for the first time in its history. More than 3,000 homes have already flooded. Some may remain underwater for more than a month.

A disaster of this scale may seem unthinkable, but environmental and engineering activists have been ringing the warning bell for years.

This page wrote an editorial last year urging local and federal officials to make the dams an immediate priority. “There’s always the chance, however small,” we wrote, “that the next storm will be ‘the perfect storm.’” We may be living through it. Harris County, though, has preferred to focus on development foremost, even allowing construction within the reservoirs themselves. And you have to look back decades to find an era when Congress prioritized such infrastructure work.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

those dam failures would likely wash away the flood maps. Will you still be OK in that case?

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Those dam failures would like wash away the flood maps. Will you still be OK in that case?

The flood won't touch me, but I would be pissed at all the falsehoods from the mouths of the politicians who will be shifting the blame to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which can't fix the dams without, first thing, money. The U.S. Congress doesn't want to pay, the Texas Legislature doesn't want to pay, Harris County doesn't want to pay, Houston City Council doesn't want to pay, the voters don't want to pay higher taxes for the bonds sold for replacing the dams, etc.

The people who would be killed by a dam break don't want to pay because God will miraculously save them . . . and their money. It will take a lobbying effort by a dam construction company to get that job started.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:14 PM

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I just read that those dams are over 70 years old. They built well, but not to withstand hell.

We never do ANYTHING about ANYTHING in this country until someone gets hurt.

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The news said Houston got 50 inches of rain.
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Those dam failures would like wash away the flood maps. Will you still be OK in that case?

The flood won't touch me, but I would be pissed at all the falsehoods from the mouths of the politicians who will be shifting the blame to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which can't fix the dams without, first thing, money. The U.S. Congress doesn't want to pay, the Texas Legislature doesn't want to pay, Harris County doesn't want to pay, Houston City Council doesn't want to pay, the voters don't want to pay higher taxes for the bonds sold for replacing the dams, etc.

The people who would be killed by a dam break don't want to pay because God will miraculously save them . . . and their money. It will take a lobbying effort by a dam construction company to get that job started.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

so Obama spent 8 years ignoring the Engineers, so that he could better fund Antifa criminals....

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"This was a climate-influenced storm. There's no question," Blackburn said. "The temperature in the Gulf of Mexico where the tropical cyclone grew in two days to a Category 4 hurricane was 2 to 7 degrees above normal."

Blackburn has studied the effects of storms on cities for nearly 40 years. He said that when Harvey came ashore, the storm laid bare another problem decades in the making: the massive paving over of the area's natural wetlands and prairies.

Since the 1950s, nearly 88 square miles of wetlands have disappeared in the Houston area due to development. And the region's system of canals and bayous are overwhelmed by increasingly heavy storms.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvey-reveals-problem-decades-in-the-mak
ing-houston
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Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
so Obama spent 8 years ignoring the Engineers, so that he could better fund Antifa criminals....



You are a fool
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reversed-obama-flooding-regulatio
ns-before-hurricane-harvey-2017-8




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Quote:

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Blackburn has studied the effects of storms on cities for nearly 40 years. He said that when Harvey came ashore, the storm laid bare another problem decades in the making: the massive paving over of the area's natural wetlands and prairies.

Since the 1950s, nearly 88 square miles of wetlands have disappeared in the Houston area due to development. And the region's system of canals and bayous are overwhelmed by increasingly heavy storms.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvey-reveals-problem-decades-in-the-mak
ing-houston
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I can see that guy is smart - he said the same thing that I just posted above.

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I heard that JJ Watt's fund page has topped $1.5 Billion in a day or 2. Apparently shut down the fund servers unable to handle the traffic.

Are you deliberately misleading? Because you are off by about $1.5 Billion.

Houston Flood Relief Fund
For: Victims of Hurricane Harvey
Houston, TX
Organizer: JJ Watt
Houston Flood Relief Fund (Victims of Hurricane Harvey)

Raised $2,166,539 of $3,000,000 goal.
Raised by 25,947 donors
www.youcaring.com/victimsofhurricaneharvey-915053


news tonight reports Watt's fund is over 7.2 million.
That's $5 Million in the past day.

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Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
so Obama spent 8 years ignoring the Engineers, so that he could better fund Antifa criminals....


You are a fool
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reversed-obama-flooding-regulatio
ns-before-hurricane-harvey-2017-8


Corps of Engineers rated these dams 2 of the 6 worst in the nation in 2009.

From 2009 until the beginning of this year there was only one Oval Office Occupier. This year's Federal Budget was completely the product of the same Occupier. All dams being repaired or rebuilt in 2017 were in the Federal Budget prior to Oct 2016.
The 3 huge floods in tbe past 3 years also had the same Occupier.
Are you confused again about the concepts of chronology?
Are you claiming the past 8 years are the fault of Trump?
Are you claiming the Occupier for the past 8 years was GWB?
Are you saying the problem was the illiteracy of Obama, confusing the Engineer Corpses (dead bodies) for report writers?

Or, more realistically, are you just a fool?

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Thursday, August 31, 2017 1:04 AM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Are you claiming the past 8 years are the fault of Trump?



You really can't infer, can you????

Obama WAS trying to do something about it, but it's hard to do anything with idiots like Trump around, who had the chance to HELP, but decided to be vengeful instead and make things WORSE because of Obama hate. Just another example of how partisan CRAP is killing this country.

And that really is ALL you people do well. Obama hate.


PS, I think Texas has made it more than clear that they don't want federal help with anything, right? All that talk about seceding from the union??? They should've handled it on their own, since that's the republican way, riiiight?? No handouts





What's sad is that no politician can fix ANYTHING, we don't have the goddamn MONEY because we've been stuck in pointless wars for EVER.
But hey, keep pointing fingers and nothing will ever be done, just like it's intended. We're all just cattle anyway. What do politicians care if a state or three gets wiped off the map??? Keep screaming Obama if it makes you feel less impotent, though....

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