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Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:38 AM

G

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I won't get into it unless others here have seen it - anyone?

I highly recommend it if you have not. Most of us here have various degrees of suspicion and lack of trust for systems, process, governments, organized groups of humans, but this 10+ hour documentary will magnify those failings beyond the pain threshold. The best take-away is that at least it's good to know that someone (Netflix!) is dedicated to producing this kind of expose and that it can be so unanimously supported and shared by so many every day citizens.

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Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:10 PM

G

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Seriously - no one has seen this?

Drop everything! Before you call your representatives to complain about the TTPTBT, get a hold of a copy and start watching this amazing documentary. I do NOT recommend it for Six or Wish though - could be too depressing.

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Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:40 PM

DEVERSE

Hey, Ive been in a firefight before! Well, I was in a fire. Actually, I was fired from a fry-cook opportunity.


Watched parts (only because my daughter was and asking me questions); or at least I watched as much as I could stomach.

I suppose I could recommend it if you like crap packaged up to lead you to a predetermined conclusion or just want something so brutally mindless it'll put you in a coma.


Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been

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Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
I do NOT recommend it for Six or Wish though - could be too depressing.



That's sweet, G.

Who are you again? :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, February 11, 2016 6:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Haven't seen it, but heard about it.

I know a guy who was accused of murder. A homosexual murder, in fact. Aside from the fact that he wasn't a homosexual and that his wife and step-children testified that he was home with them, and that the murder took place about 60 miles from where he lived and worked ... the case was GREAT!

I dunno but for some reason the detective just had it in for this guy, and had him arrested for murder on the basis of one drunken barroom eyewitness. Fortunately for this guy, the REAL murderer had jumped through a plate glass window and left some skin (DNA) behind. (They don't break like in the movies, I guess!) Unfortunately, the DNA backlog was 6 months, and while his sample sat in queue and while he sat in jail, his untreated work injury (electrical burn) caused his arm to become uselessly scarified AND he lost his job.

I heard all about this second-hand because his wife worked for us, and it was a complete railroad job all the way: The cops just want to clear their list, the prosecutors just want a high conviction rate, and nobody wanted to know the truth. For all I know, the real murdered is still out there.

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Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by DEVERSE:

I suppose I could recommend it if you like crap packaged up to lead you to a predetermined conclusion or just want something so brutally mindless it'll put you in a coma.




Wow - All I can say is we must have seen different documentaries. Exposing the rot & corruption in the State's second case was quite riveting and alarming for me. I will say I was completely underwhelmed during the first 2 episodes and even said to my wife, "I can't imagine what the fuss is over this." Maybe you didn't give it enough time? I almost quit on Firefly after 3 eps - taught me a valuable lesson.

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Thursday, February 11, 2016 8:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A homosexual murder, in fact.



WTF? Is that anything like a murder?

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Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

A homosexual murder, in fact.- SIGNY
WTF? Is that anything like a murder?- G



G, dood, it's relevant to the fact that the accused wasn't a homosexual. He was an a-hole drug addict who stole the family's rent money and put his family out on the street - and into our home for six months. So he was a jerk, but not a murderer.

Maybe you should re-watch that episode of the Triumph the insult comedy dog? yanno, the one on political correctness, safe spaces and micro-aggressions? ? http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60375

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Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

A homosexual murder, in fact.- SIGNY
WTF? Is that anything like a murder?- G


G, dood, it's relevant to the fact that the accused wasn't a homosexual.



So?


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Thursday, February 11, 2016 5:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, the further description of the murder was (according to the police) that it took place in the victim's apartment and was a crime of passion between sexually-involved individuals. It was the apartment window that the perpetrator jumped thru.

All relevant to the case.

Sensitive much?

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Thursday, February 11, 2016 6:44 PM

DEVERSE

Hey, Ive been in a firefight before! Well, I was in a fire. Actually, I was fired from a fry-cook opportunity.


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Wow - All I can say is we must have seen different documentaries. Exposing the rot & corruption in the State's second case was quite riveting and alarming for me. I will say I was completely underwhelmed during the first 2 episodes and even said to my wife, "I can't imagine what the fuss is over this." Maybe you didn't give it enough time? I almost quit on Firefly after 3 eps - taught me a valuable lesson.



The series was deplorable because it made the accused a "victim" when the only victim was the girl who was murdered.
It was not only one sided, it tried to generate sympathy for an individual who is very much alive and who has the right of appeal. The murdered girl doesn't have that right.
It also only presented what the makers wanted the viewers to see and hear. It misrepresented pretty much everything and in some instances presented lies, and even contradicted itself.

It was a stupid, boring, pathetic attempt to create sensationalism at the expense of a murdered girl and her suffering family. The makers obviously didn't care about the accused and certainly not the murdered girl or her family or justice or honesty or anything other than making a name for themselves.




Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been

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Friday, February 12, 2016 7:08 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, the further description of the murder was (according to the police) that it took place in the victim's apartment and was a crime of passion between sexually-involved individuals. It was the apartment window that the perpetrator jumped thru.

All relevant to the case.

Sensitive much?




Not really - just "homosexual murder" sounds like something some home bound granny would say. Murder is murder.

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Friday, February 12, 2016 7:30 AM

G

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Quote:

Originally posted by DEVERSE:
Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Wow - All I can say is we must have seen different documentaries. Exposing the rot & corruption in the State's second case was quite riveting and alarming for me. I will say I was completely underwhelmed during the first 2 episodes and even said to my wife, "I can't imagine what the fuss is over this." Maybe you didn't give it enough time? I almost quit on Firefly after 3 eps - taught me a valuable lesson.



The series was deplorable because it made the accused a "victim" when the only victim was the girl who was murdered.
It was not only one sided, it tried to generate sympathy for an individual who is very much alive and who has the right of appeal. The murdered girl doesn't have that right.
It also only presented what the makers wanted the viewers to see and hear. It misrepresented pretty much everything and in some instances presented lies, and even contradicted itself.

It was a stupid, boring, pathetic attempt to create sensationalism at the expense of a murdered girl and her suffering family. The makers obviously didn't care about the accused and certainly not the murdered girl or her family or justice or honesty or anything other than making a name for themselves.




How was it "at the expense" of Teresa Halbach? Her real murderer is still out there - if anything this keeps the spot light on one of the most corrupt law enforcement organizations in the country and keeps the case open. The family owes the film a huge debt of gratitude. If they feel mistreated somehow because they didn't come off "well" that's too bad - that's not the job of a documentary. It's not suppose to make judgments, it's suppose to let the audience do that.
I guess I don't see how you could tell this story without focusing on Avery v State of Wis., Little man versus Goliath. This could happen to anyone. Teresa's Holbach's story was/is a horrific part of an even larger horror.

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Friday, February 12, 2016 8:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Not really - just "homosexual murder" sounds like something some home bound granny would say. Murder is murder.
Except when the details would lead one to include or exclude types of individuals as suspects. All murders are awful, but not all murders are the same.


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Friday, February 12, 2016 12:29 PM

DEVERSE

Hey, Ive been in a firefight before! Well, I was in a fire. Actually, I was fired from a fry-cook opportunity.


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
How was it "at the expense" of Teresa Halbach? Her real murderer is still out there - if anything this keeps the spot light on one of the most corrupt law enforcement organizations in the country and keeps the case open. The family owes the film a huge debt of gratitude. If they feel mistreated somehow because they didn't come off "well" that's too bad - that's not the job of a documentary. It's not suppose to make judgments, it's suppose to let the audience do that.
I guess I don't see how you could tell this story without focusing on Avery v State of Wis., Little man versus Goliath. This could happen to anyone. Teresa's Holbach's story was/is a horrific part of an even larger horror.



The series focus was about corrupt cops and an unjust legal system framing an innocent man because that was what the series makers wanted the viewer to believe.
Given that Avery himself is on record as saying even he doesn’t believe he was framed by the police and that it was probably his brothers who framed him, the series focus should have been on sympathy for the murdered girl and her family and finding justice for them.

I see two petitions for Avery, where’s the petitions to find the real murderer and justice for the murdered girl? But then, I probably have too great an expectation from the human race because the idiots who watched the series drank the Kool-aid the series makers fed them but are not even smart enough to petition the right agency let alone figure out that finding the actual murderer would get Avery freed.


Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been

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Monday, August 15, 2016 7:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Last night's news reported that Brendan Dassey's conviction was overturned by Federal Court. The Order is for him to be released within 90 days unless other steps are taken.
The reported 2 options are to re-try the case, which most agreed would not result in conviction, or the more corrupt way of appealing to the next higher Federal Court to overturn the current Court's overturning. Or maybe it is called staying.

Anyhow, Special Prosecutor Ken Kratz remains stripped of his Law license from his sexual assault upon his client WHO HE WAS REPRESENTING AS A SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIM!!

http://gazettereview.com/2016/01/what-happened-to-ken-kratz-update/

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-p
rosecutor-sex-scandal-district-attorney-ken-kratz-texts-domestic-violence-victim
/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-da-ken-kratzs-law-license-suspended-in-
sexting-scandal
/

http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1108033/making-a-murder
ers-ken-kratzs-creepy-sexual-harassment-texts-revealed


http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/275865/len-kachinsky-brendan-dassey-ma
king-murderer
/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37066686

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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 6:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Another linky, showing how the Sheriff and DA knew they were convicting an innocent man the first time around, and likely the second:

http://justicedenied.org/wordpress/archives/736

And the first case:
http://www.innocenceproject.org/cases/steven-avery/

The Deputy who arrested and framed Avery in 1985 became Sheriff by 2003:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sheriff-who-arrested-steven-avery-
makes-shocking-admission_us_569c8a1ae4b0778f46f9d88e


A list of the players in this corruption saga of the Democrat Sheriff's Office and Democrat DA's Offices (note that the corrupt Democrats have been running Manitowoc County since 1956):

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2015/12/22/whos-who-steven-aver
y-case/77763356
/

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Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:42 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Avery's lawyer filed a motion asking for scientific testing of evidence.
Maybe this means the cops who framed him for convictions twice won't be allowed to tweak the evidence before it gets tested.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/steven-avery-motion-brief-read-document-
kathleen-zellner-filing-updates-new-now-dassey-dna-alternative-suspect-making-a-murder-halbach-court-of-appeals-wrongful-conviction


/ http://crimefeed.com/2016/08/24673/


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Thursday, September 1, 2016 12:39 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Why should it matter?

In 2016, all you have to do is say that your God told you to do it, and you have religious immunity.

Feminists and SJW's don't even go after Muslim Women's rights because "that's their religion".... WTF?

Son of Sam did what Dog told him, and Dog spelled backwards is God.


Do whatever you want to whoever you want. If you have a good lawyer, you'll be out before dinner.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 3, 2016 3:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why should it matter?

In 2016, all you have to do is say that your God told you to do it, and you have religious immunity.

Feminists and SJW's don't even go after Muslim Women's rights because "that's their religion".... WTF?

Son of Sam did what Dog told him, and Dog spelled backwards is God.


Do whatever you want to whoever you want. If you have a good lawyer, you'll be out before dinner.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


I understand that you only visit here to drunk post, but did you post anything which even slightly bears upon the subject matter of this thread?

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Thursday, September 8, 2016 7:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Avery's lawyer filed a motion asking for scientific testing of evidence.
Maybe this means the cops who framed him for convictions twice won't be allowed to tweak the evidence before it gets tested.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/steven-avery-motion-brief-read-document-
kathleen-zellner-filing-updates-new-now-dassey-dna-alternative-suspect-making-a-murder-halbach-court-of-appeals-wrongful-conviction


/ http://crimefeed.com/2016/08/24673/



Item number 3 includes the fact that phone records prove Theresa Halback (murder victim) left the Avery property alive, and also called several times an other sex crime convict, and her phone records end at the door of a man's house who is not Avery.

The Motion:
http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/motion_for_forensic
_testing.pdf




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Monday, September 26, 2016 7:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Some days ago Wisconsin Assistant Attorney General Thomas Fallon requested a Status Hearing for the Avery case conviction.
This morning it was reported that the judge has denied this hearing, claiming he saw not reason for it - I cannot find a web linky for it.

The current Administration is under Gov. Scott Walker, Republican, 2011-.
The Administration of Injustice which convicted Avery most recently was under the disastrous Goobernator Jim Doilie, Democrat, 2003-2011.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/185619-a-new-steven-avery-hearing-could
-finally-look-at-the-testing-his-lawyers-been-talking-about



The Court process file:
https://wscca.wicourts.gov/appealHistory.xsl;jsessionid=A8BB66CE722CD8
B985151D8DB41E4D42?caseNo=2015AP002489&cacheId=&recordCount=0&offset=0&linkOnlyToForm=false&sortDirection=DESC


https://wscca.wicourts.gov/pdfs/1F2CB209245BBE650D584161511D7B22/appea
lHistory8741405662922429322.pdf

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Thursday, September 29, 2016 7:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Last night on Law & Order SVU aired their episode simulating this case, named "Making a Rapist"
In it, our detectives framed the innocent man for the original rape, but in this story

Select to view spoiler:


they have the post-exoneration murder actually committed by the man that the same detectives framed the first time.




http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5901996/?ref_=tt_eps_cu_n

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Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Brendan Dassey ordered released within 90 days. Heard that last November, but this is from a higher court.

http://fox11digital.com/PDFs/JuneDassey.pdf

http://wsau.com/news/articles/2017/jun/22/dassey-could-soon-be-free/

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Sunday, August 6, 2017 7:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Another Wisconsin innocent citizen was framed by the cops, served 23 years. And now after 8 years of trying to sue the perjured witnesses, the court has affirmed his right to do so. Robert Lee Stinson.

I think this might be the same full court hearing yhe Dassey case.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 12:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


My observation is that prosecutor's offices are corrupt pretty much everywhere.

Just recently the death penalty was overturned for a self-confessed mass murderer in Orange County because of prosecutorial misconduct: Illegal use of jailhouse snitch after suspect asked for a lawyer, and witholding of relevant evidence from the defense.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-oc-informant-scandal-20170
818-story.html


It was not only illegal, it was really stupid because the suspect had confessed. Jeez.


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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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