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Russia's Cyberwar on Ukraine is the Blueprint for what's to come

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:12 PM

G

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How An Entire Nation Became Russia's Test Lab for Cyberwar

https://www.wired.com/story/russian-hackers-attack-ukraine/

The clocks read zero when the lights went out.
It was a Saturday night last December, and Oleksii Yasinsky was sitting on the couch with his wife and teenage son in the living room of their Kiev apartment. The 40-year-old Ukrainian cybersecurity researcher and his family were an hour into Oliver Stone’s film Snowden when their building abruptly lost power.
“The hackers don’t want us to finish the movie,” Yasinsky’s wife joked. She was referring to an event that had occurred a year earlier, a cyberattack that had cut electricity to nearly a quarter-million Ukrainians two days before Christmas in 2015. Yasinsky, a chief forensic analyst at a Kiev digital security firm, didn’t laugh. He looked over at a portable clock on his desk: The time was 00:00. Precisely midnight.
Yasinsky’s television was plugged into a surge protector with a battery backup, so only the flicker of images onscreen lit the room now. The power strip started beeping plaintively. Yasinsky got up and switched it off to save its charge, leaving the room suddenly silent.

The Cyber-Cassandras said this would happen. For decades they warned that hackers would soon make the leap beyond purely digital mayhem and start to cause real, physical damage to the world. In 2009, when the NSA’s Stuxnet malware silently accelerated a few hundred Iranian nuclear centrifuges until they destroyed themselves, it seemed to offer a preview of this new era. “This has a whiff of August 1945,” Michael Hayden, former director of the NSA and the CIA, said in a speech. “Somebody just used a new weapon, and this weapon will not be put back in the box.”

Yushchenko, who ended up serving as Ukraine’s president from 2005 to 2010, believes that Russia’s tactics, online and off, have one single aim: “to destabilize the situation in Ukraine, to make its government look incompetent and vulnerable.” He lumps the blackouts and other cyberattacks together with the Russian disinformation flooding Ukraine’s media, the terroristic campaigns in the east of the country, and his own poisoning years ago—all underhanded moves aimed at painting Ukraine as a broken nation. “Russia will never accept Ukraine being a sovereign and independent country,” says Yushchenko, whose face still bears traces of the scars caused by dioxin toxicity. “Twenty-­five years since the Soviet collapse, Russia is still sick with this imperialistic syndrome.”

Doesn't have to be Russians either. Some rogue group with the right benefactor and infrastructure... the race is on.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


Yep, blame everything bad- from acne to sunspots- on Russia.

Did you notice, GSTRING, in the entire article there is not one single piece of evidence indicating that this blackout was even a cyber-attack, let alone one by Russia?

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It was midnight ... Yasinsky felt sure that this was no normal blackout. ... another paranoid thought began to work its way through his mind ... "


Was it also a dark and stormy night?

This has all the earmarks of proactive excuse-making by the Poroshenko regime: Blame someone else before the inevitable failure.

For sure, anything connected to the internet is vulnerable, and anything connected to the internet and running Microsoft is a wide-open door. Since the SWIFT interbank system runs Microsoft servers ... well, it doesn't give me great confidence in our banking system. NSA decided that "we" could do with half-assed security so they "they" could gain access more easily, but look where we are now:

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ShadowBrokers: The NSA compromised the SWIFT Network

A multi stages attack bypassing Cisco ASA Firewall appliances, exploiting and infecting Windows servers in order to copy Oracle databases of multiple hosts belonging to a SWIFT Service Bureau part of the internal financial system.


https://blog.comae.io/the-nsa-compromised-swift-network-50ec3000b195

I think we should ALL be a lot more serious about cybersecurity. And people are still pushing IOT? Ha! Just wait till your VR walks you into traffic and your car decides to turn into the oncoming lane!



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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Thursday, June 22, 2017 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, blame everything bad- from acne to sunspots- on Russia.

Did you notice, GSTRING, in the entire article there is not one single piece of evidence indicating that this blackout was even a cyber-attack, let alone one by Russia?



Shiiit, Putin did sunspots and acne?!?

What evidence would you accept? None? Like when you say "Deeeep Staaaaate" evidence? Yeah, you're funny.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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It was midnight ... Yasinsky felt sure that this was no normal blackout. ... another paranoid thought began to work its way through his mind ... "


Was it also a dark and stormy night?



Ooooo! Good one! Couldn't be Russia!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This has all the earmarks of proactive excuse-making by the Poroshenko regime: Blame someone else before the inevitable failure.



Who has anything to gain other than Russia from Ukraine's failure?

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Thursday, June 22, 2017 11:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


GSTRING, we should take cybersecurity a lot more seriously than we do, and not (just) because of "Russia" but because its far too easy for criminal elements already to steal identities and steal money. Can you imagine some cybermafia holding a power grid for ransom?

I've never been "FOR" lax cybersecurity, for a variety of reasons, which is one of the reasons why I really hate that hospitals and banks use Microsoft, why I refuse to use social media, refuse to load a bunch of "convenient" apps on my phone (Banking thru one of the least-secure platforms available??? R U effing kidding me??), don't run Wifi, and really dislike that the NSA has kept us all vulnerable so it could use exploits to its own advantage, and why I think IOT is one of the stupidest tech ideas around.

Critical infrastructure (power, water, sanitation, traffic control) shouldn't even be on the net. As I have said more than once about making systems more "robust", they should be able to function autonomously as smaller units. Widely-integrated systems may be more "efficient" but they rely on single points of control, which become single points of critical failure.

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Who has anything to gain other than Russia from Ukraine's failure?
Yanno, in just the past 20 years or so the USA destabilized/ destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia, and Sudan ... and possibly a few other nations that I've fogotten about.

I mean, it's incontrovertible what we did: Openly bombed/ invaded at least partly-functional nation-states, funded and armed jihadists as our proxies, and left great smoking ruins controlled by terrorists and criminal gangs in our wake. There was nothing secret or controversial about who did what to whom.

What did WE gain from creating failed states?

Seriously. I mean, I know that we did, and in some cases I can see how that worked to the Saudi's advantage, but I don't see the overall advantage of toppling one nation after another.

But if you figure that out, maybe you can figure out what "we" (I mean, TPTB) might have gotten out of destabilizing Ukraine? Then you would have another possible answer to your question about WHO ELSE might have something to gain from the Ukraine being (yet another) failed state.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, June 23, 2017 8:33 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Blah bah blah...

But if you figure that out, maybe you can figure out what "we" (I mean, TPTB) might have gotten out of destabilizing Ukraine? Then you would have another possible answer to your question about WHO ELSE might have something to gain from the Ukraine being (yet another) failed state.




No, it's definitely Russia. A strong Ukraine is better for the US. A weak Ukraine is Russia's play thing. Next!

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Friday, June 23, 2017 11:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


GSTRING .... the USA deep state seems to have a vested interest in creating instability wherever it goes. I frankly can't figure out why this is so, but it's clearly been the result - many times over- of their various "interventions" in a half-dozen nations so far.

So you can't automatically rule out the USA. The deep state (as exemplified by Nuland and McCain) certainly didn't mind egging on the Maidan protesters, appearing with known neo-Nazis, and implanting provocateurs and snipers to escalate the situation, and since the legal elected government was deposed in a coup, and that's what started the ball rolling downhill, the USA shares at least some of the blame for "destabilizing" Ukraine. Ukraine could have had their early elections, and all would have been ....if not "well" then at least better than now.

The problem is that the government in Kiev made a series of catastrophic military, political, and economic decisions, from deciding to treat their Russian-speaking population as "terrorists" and launching a badly-managed war against its own people to not being able to control its own oligarchs to following the neo-liberal mandates imposed on them by Western lenders (such as removing the subsidy on natural gas for heating).

The cyber-warfare - whatever there is of it - in Ukraine isn't the blueprint of "things to come", it's already here, and the USA does as much of it -if not more- than the Russians.

Quote:

Snowden narrates how the agency worked to plant malware in power plants, dams, and hospitals in Japan, Mexico, Germany, Brazil, and Austria, the better to shut down those countries' infrastructure if they become enemies.


Or did you not notice that the big "hacking attack" on Russian banks happened right after our election?

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37941216

Grow up, sonny. Stuxnet launched the first salvo in cyber warfare; now we have to live with it.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, June 23, 2017 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING .... the USA deep state seems to have a vested interest in creating instability wherever it goes. I frankly can't figure out why this is so, but it's clearly been the result - many times over- of their various "interventions" in a half-dozen nations so far.

So you can't automatically rule out the USA. The deep state (as exemplified by Nuland and McCain) certainly didn't mind egging on the Maidan protesters, appearing with known neo-Nazis, and implanting provocateurs and snipers to escalate the situation, and since the legal elected government was deposed in a coup, and that's what started the ball rolling downhill, the USA shares at least some of the blame for "destabilizing" Ukraine. Ukraine could have had their early elections, and all would have been ....if not "well" then at least better than now.

The problem is that the government in Kiev made a series of catastrophic military, political, and economic decisions, from deciding to treat their Russian-speaking population as "terrorists" and launching a badly-managed war against its own people to not being able to control its own oligarchs to following the neo-liberal mandates imposed on them by Western lenders (such as removing the subsidy on natural gas for heating).

The cyber-warfare - whatever there is of it - in Ukraine isn't the blueprint of "things to come", it's already here, and the USA does as much of it -if not more- than the Russians.

Quote:

Snowden narrates how the agency worked to plant malware in power plants, dams, and hospitals in Japan, Mexico, Germany, Brazil, and Austria, the better to shut down those countries' infrastructure if they become enemies.


Or did you not notice that the big "hacking attack" on Russian banks happened right after our election?

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37941216

Grow up, sonny. Stuxnet launched the first salvo in cyber warfare; now we have to live with it.




Way ahead of you, granny. Stuxnet was in the article btw. And I have already said, "digital blackmail is the new nuke." Have you actually read any of my posts?

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Friday, June 23, 2017 11:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


Yes, I read your posts. But apparently you chose to spend your time whining about something that we started and "predicting" something that's already happened. So I don't understand your point. Is it about "big bad Russia"? Because goose sauce = gander sauce. Is it about the horrors of cyberwarfare? Well then, maybe we better get on the stick about cyber security. I already outlined the things I think are necessary; and I've done that more than once in this forum.

So tell me something new.

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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Sunday, June 25, 2017 1:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


Obama Ordered Cyberweapons Implanted Into Russia's Infrastructure

A new report from the Washington Post today quoted a series of Obama Administration officials reiterating their official narrative on Russia’s accused hacking of the 2016 election. While most of the article is simply rehashes and calls for sanctions, they also revealed a secret order by President Obama in the course of “retaliation” for the alleged hacking.

This previously secret order involved having US intelligence design and implant a series of cyberweapons into Russia’s infrastructure systems, with officials saying they are meant to be activated remotely to hit the most important networks in Russia and are designed to “cause them pain and discomfort.”

The implants, developed by the NSA, are designed to hit Russian networks deemed “important to the adversary and that would cause them pain and discomfort if they were disrupted,” a former U.S. official told the Post.



They could be activated in the event that Russia attacked a U.S. power grid or interfered in a future U.S. presidential race.

The US has, of course, repeatedly threatened “retaliatory” cyberattacks against Russia, and promised to knock out broad parts of their economy in doing so. These appear to be the first specific plans to have actually infiltrate Russian networks and plant such weapons to do so.

Despite the long-standing nature of the threats, by the end of Obama’s last term in office this was all still in the “planning” phases. It’s not totally clear where this effort has gone from there, but officials say that the intelligence community, once given Obama’s permission, did not need further approval from Trump to continue on with it, and he’d have actually had to issue a countermanding order, something they say he hasn’t.

"U.S. intelligence agencies do not need further approval from (President) Trump, and officials said that he would have to issue a countermanding order to stop it," the Post reported.



"The officials said that they have seen no indication that Trump has done so."

The details are actually pretty scant on how far along the effort is, but the goal is said to be for the US to have the ability to retaliate at a moment’s notice the next time they have a cyberattack they intend to blame on Russia.

Unspoken in this lengthy report, which quotes unnamed former Obama Administration officials substantially, advocating the effort, is that in having reported that such a program exists, they’ve tipped off Russia about the threat.

This is, however, reflective of the priority of the former administration, which is to continuing hyping allegations that Russia got President Trump elected, a priority that’s high enough to sacrifice what was supposed to be a highly secretive cyberattack operation.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, June 26, 2017 4:13 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


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Yep, blame everything bad- from acne to sunspots- on Russia.


Yeah, I thought I remembered reading an article on CNN or was it the Wall Street Journal? So that's who's to blame.......

"Sneaky Fucking Russians" - Cousin Avi, Snatch 2000


SGG

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Monday, June 26, 2017 4:27 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Loads of fun G, I like it. These guys are way too easy.

Ukraine is a testing ground for Putin's plans of cyber attacks here in the good old USA. I don't know if you remember when the two countries had a "cold" war and Americans distrusted and ridiculed the Russians in every aspect of our lives.

Really G, what changed? I remember the "good old days" when right wingers would say "America, love it or leave it." Now they're brown-nosing Russian ambassadors and kissing Putin's ass. I may be a sorry piece-of-trash loser, but I'm an American
piece-of-trash loser.

(Paid for by the Obama Deep State Blue Dogs - where my dogs at? - Rowf!)


SGG


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Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, blame everything bad- from acne to sunspots- on Russia.

Did you notice, GSTRING, in the entire article there is not one single piece of evidence indicating that this blackout was even a cyber-attack, let alone one by Russia?



Shiiit, Putin did sunspots and acne?!?

What evidence would you accept? None? Like when you say "Deeeep Staaaaate" evidence? Yeah, you're funny.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

It was midnight ... Yasinsky felt sure that this was no normal blackout. ... another paranoid thought began to work its way through his mind ... "


Was it also a dark and stormy night?



Ooooo! Good one! Couldn't be Russia!

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This has all the earmarks of proactive excuse-making by the Poroshenko regime: Blame someone else before the inevitable failure.



Who has anything to gain other than Russia from Ukraine's failure?

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Monday, June 26, 2017 5:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Obama Ordered Cyberweapons Implanted Into Russia's Infrastructure

A new report from the Washington Post today quoted a series of Obama Administration officials reiterating their official narrative on Russia’s accused hacking of the 2016 election. While most of the article is simply rehashes and calls for sanctions, they also revealed a secret order by President Obama in the course of “retaliation” for the alleged hacking.

This previously secret order involved having US intelligence design and implant a series of cyberweapons into Russia’s infrastructure systems, with officials saying they are meant to be activated remotely to hit the most important networks in Russia and are designed to “cause them pain and discomfort.”

The implants, developed by the NSA, are designed to hit Russian networks deemed “important to the adversary and that would cause them pain and discomfort if they were disrupted,” a former U.S. official told the Post.



They could be activated in the event that Russia attacked a U.S. power grid or interfered in a future U.S. presidential race.

The US has, of course, repeatedly threatened “retaliatory” cyberattacks against Russia, and promised to knock out broad parts of their economy in doing so. These appear to be the first specific plans to have actually infiltrate Russian networks and plant such weapons to do so.

Despite the long-standing nature of the threats, by the end of Obama’s last term in office this was all still in the “planning” phases. It’s not totally clear where this effort has gone from there, but officials say that the intelligence community, once given Obama’s permission, did not need further approval from Trump to continue on with it, and he’d have actually had to issue a countermanding order, something they say he hasn’t.

"U.S. intelligence agencies do not need further approval from (President) Trump, and officials said that he would have to issue a countermanding order to stop it," the Post reported.



"The officials said that they have seen no indication that Trump has done so."

The details are actually pretty scant on how far along the effort is, but the goal is said to be for the US to have the ability to retaliate at a moment’s notice the next time they have a cyberattack they intend to blame on Russia.

Unspoken in this lengthy report, which quotes unnamed former Obama Administration officials substantially, advocating the effort, is that in having reported that such a program exists, they’ve tipped off Russia about the threat.

This is, however, reflective of the priority of the former administration, which is to continuing hyping allegations that Russia got President Trump elected, a priority that’s high enough to sacrifice what was supposed to be a highly secretive cyberattack operation.




Yes! Isn't that great? Aren't you happy we can defend ourselves well from future cyber attacks? Or did you just slip and show your true loyalty?

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Monday, June 26, 2017 11:42 AM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Loads of fun G, I like it. These guys are way too easy.

Ukraine is a testing ground for Putin's plans of cyber attacks here in the good old USA. I don't know if you remember when the two countries had a "cold" war and Americans distrusted and ridiculed the Russians in every aspect of our lives.

Really G, what changed? I remember the "good old days" when right wingers would say "America, love it or leave it." Now they're brown-nosing Russian ambassadors and kissing Putin's ass. I may be a sorry piece-of-trash loser, but I'm an American
piece-of-trash loser.

(Paid for by the Obama Deep State Blue Dogs - where my dogs at? - Rowf!)


SGG



Who's kissing Russia's ass?

Nothing I've seen comes anywhere close to the Islam salad tossing that Obama was performing on a daily basis for 8 years.

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Monday, June 26, 2017 6:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


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Yes! Isn't that great?
Well, do YOU think cyberwarfare is great? Or it is great only when we do it, but terrible, horrible when Russia does it?

I'm only objecting to your hypocrisy and righteousness.

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Aren't you happy we can defend ourselves well from future cyber attacks?
We are NOT well-defended against cyberwarfare. Our systems are still extremely vulnerable, and nobody seems too interested in hardening them. At best, we MIGHT have gotten to the point of "mutual assured destruction". Or, maybe not.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:17 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Yes! Isn't that great?
Well, do YOU think cyberwarfare is great? Or it is great only when we do it, but terrible, horrible when Russia does it?

I'm only objecting to your hypocrisy and righteousness.



Wull, gosh, do you think being hacked is great?
Can you ask dumber questions? Yes, I would like to have greater capabilities than the dirty rat-f*cks that just hacked our election system. Wouldn't you? I would rather no one used them, ever, but do you think that will happen? Ever?

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Aren't you happy we can defend ourselves well from future cyber attacks?
We are NOT well-defended against cyberwarfare. Our systems are still extremely vulnerable, and nobody seems too interested in hardening them. At best, we MIGHT have gotten to the point of "mutual assured destruction". Or, maybe not.



Hey, you voted for Trump. He's your problem.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:44 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake



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Yes! Isn't that great?- GSTRING

Well, do YOU think cyberwarfare is great? Or it is great only when we do it, but terrible, horrible when Russia does it? I'm only objecting to your hypocrisy and righteousness. - SIGNY

Wull, gosh, do you think being hacked is great?
Can you ask dumber questions? Yes, I would like to have greater capabilities than the dirty rat-f*cks that just hacked our election system. Wouldn't you? I would rather no one used them, ever, but do you think that will happen? Ever?- GSTRING



That's a bit like saying: I want a bigger nuclear bomb than Russia because the arms race is a great idea. Except the difference is you CAN have a credible defense against cyber attacks. We should be putting our effort into hardening our cyber infrastructure.

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Aren't you happy we can defend ourselves well from future cyber attacks? - GSTRING

We are NOT well-defended against cyberwarfare. Our systems are still extremely vulnerable, and nobody seems too interested in hardening them. At best, we MIGHT have gotten to the point of "mutual assured destruction". Or, maybe not. - SIGNY

Hey, you voted for Trump. He's your problem.- GSTRING

Yeah, like Obama made the NSA turn over its trove of known "zero day" exploits to the software houses so that defenses could be erected? Not.

I'm sure even you (as ridiculous as you are) know that blaming Trump for our current flaccid cybersecurity is just too ridiculous of an argument. It's a stupid as blaming Obama for the 2008 financial crisis. In four years, when Trump has had an opportunity to do something .... or at least get the NSA to start working on our behalf instead of its own ... THEN we can assess whether Trump has had a positive impact or not.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


Now THAT'S a knife!

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Global "Massive Cyberattack" Hits Ukraine Central Bank, Government, Rosneft, Maersk, WPP; Russia Blamed

Now that CNN is officially out of the "Russia hacking" fake news business, the Ukraine has decided to fill in the void, and moments ago Ukraine's Deputy Prime Minister Pavlo Rozenko said that the government's computer network was down, in what he claimed was a "massive cyberattack", one which has also impacted the central bank, power plant and airport, and promptly blamed Russia for being behind the attack without a shred of evidence. To "prove" the accusation, he posted a picture on Twitter of a computer screen showing an error message.

“We also have a network 'down',” he wrote. “This image is being displayed by all computers of the government.” The photo showed his PC displaying a message claiming a disk “contains errors and needs to be prepared”, urging the user not to turn it off.
pic.twitter.com/J2yoPPe37n — Rozenko Pavlo (@RozenkoPavlo) June 27, 2017

According to local press, numerous Ukrainian institutions were hit by a wave of cyber attacks earlier in the day, including banks, the state energy distributor and Kiev's main airport. "We also have a network 'down'," Rozenko said on Facebook.

Ukrainian state-run aircraft manufacturer Antonov was among the companies hit, along with state power distributor Ukrenergo, which said the attack did not affect power supplies.

Who's to blame? Why Russia of course.

Speaking to Interfax,the advisor to the Interior Minister of Ukraine, MP Anton Gerashchenko said that "a huge cyber-attack at Ukrainian companies on Tuesday has been organized by Russian intelligence services and it is one of the elements of the hybrid war against Ukraine,

"A huge cyber-attack has been started against Ukraine. It was done under the disguise that it is allegedly a virus… According to the preliminary information, this is an organized system, a kind of training by the Russian intelligence services. The attack aims at banks, media and transport communications," he said on 112.Ukraine TV Channel on Tuesday.

One wonders if that preliminary information came from the same FBI that incorrectly claimed the Qatar hack was organized by Russia, when Qatar itself later blamed the "blockade" countries as being behind it.

Gerashchenko said that the virus reached computers during several days and even weeks via getting [e]mails. "Today, at 11:00 [the computers] that were affected by the virus in advance were activated. Thus, this is another example of using cyber-attacks in the hybrid war against our country," he said.

"I think that soon officers of the SBU, the cyber security department of the National Police will unveil the ways how this virus reached the targets and they propose the options to tackle the problem," he said.

* * *

Meanwhile, the fall out in Ukraine, which claimed the cyberattacks are a modified version of the "WannaCry" virus

Which hit many Microsoft computers in Russia and elsewhere

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has been extensive with Ukrainian state-run aircraft manufacturer Antonov among the companies reportedly hit, along with state power distributor Ukrenergo, which said the attack did not affect power supplies. The National Bank of Ukraine said an “unknown virus” was to blame, saying several unnamed Ukrainian banks were affected along with financial firms.

“As a result of cyber attacks, these banks have difficulties with customer service and banking operations,” a statement said.

“The National Bank bank is confident that the banking infrastructure's defense against cyber fraud is properly set up and attempted cyber attacks on banks' IT systems will be neutralised.”

Oschadbank, one of Ukraine's largest state-owned lenders, said some of its services had been affected by a “hacking attack” but guaranteed that customer data was safe.

Computers and departure boards at Boryspil International Airport in Kiev – the largest in Ukraine – were also down. “The official site of the airport and the scoreboard with the schedule of flights aren't working!” the airport’s acting director, Pavel Ryabikin, wrote on Facebook.

* * *

It wasn't just Ukraine however.

As The Independent writes, Danish shipping giant Maersk said its IT systems were down across “multiple sites and businesses due to a cyber attack”, although it was unclear whether it was related to the situation in Ukraine. The congolmerate is the largest container shipping company in the world and also operates in the oil and gas sectors.

Russia's Rosneft, a government-owned oil firm, also said it was targeted by a “massive hacker attack” on its servers, as was steel maker Evraz. "The cyber attack could lead to serious consequences, however, due to the fact that the Company has switched to a reserve control system, neither oil production nor preparation processes were stopped,” a
statement from Rosneft said.

British advertising company WPP also said several units were affected by a suspected cyber attack. Or, as Reuters summarizes:

SWISS GOV'T AGENCY SAYS UKRAINE, RUSSIA, ENGLAND AND INDIA ARE MOST AFFECTED BY VIRUS, NO INDICATION THAT SWISS COMPANIES AFFECTED

SWISS GOV'T AGENCY SAYS THERE ARE INDICATIONS THAT PETYA RANSOMWARE VIRUS IS CIRCULATING AGAIN

It was not clear how and why Russian hackers would be able to hack the entire world, Russia included, but that probably does not matter: Ukraine has blamed Russia for repeated cyber attacks targeting crucial infrastructure during the past three years, including one on its power grid that left part of western Ukraine temporarily without electricity in December 2015. Today was just a continuation, and after all the world still demand Russia hacking narratives.






That's one the the problems with MS; you think you've hardened your PC and yet some random driver get targeted and you're back at square one. We have five PCs running exactly the same instruments, and yet one PC is always get fucked up with security upgrades and the others are fine. Must be something different with that specific ethernet card.


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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

That's a bit like saying: I want a bigger nuclear bomb than Russia because the arms race is a great idea.



More like: "I want a bigger nuclear bomb than Russia because the arms race is a terrible idea."

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In four years, when Trump has had an opportunity to do something .... or at least get the NSA to start working on our behalf instead of its own ... THEN we can assess whether Trump has had a positive impact or not.



Wait 4 years? You said we're almost at mutual annihilation - can we wait 4 years? I'm seeing a lot "discrepancies" with your posts lately.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:21 AM

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Wait 4 years? You said we're almost at mutual annihilation - can we wait 4 years? I'm seeing a lot "discrepancies" with your posts lately.
Do you have ANY friggin' idea how complicated it would be to rewrite all of the crappy bank/ military/ power grid/ institutional/ healthcare/ etc software that's been encouraged (by the NSA and DOJ) to molder in place so the NSA could snoop wherever it wants???

I have had major run-ins with our IT department because of their lack of security; I have SOME appreciation what it would take to replace all of the functioning parts (from routers to desktops) with hardened versions.

If you think this is some sort of "discrepancy" then you're just all busy with fault-finding, but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:23 AM

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Wait 4 years? You said we're almost at mutual annihilation - can we wait 4 years? I'm seeing a lot "discrepancies" with your posts lately.



We've been at mutual annihilation for over half a century already. It's a system that works when you've got two super-powers that are run by people who aren't slaves to some cult like the Muslims are.


I always viewed the Russians as "The Predator". Extreme potential for danger, but coupled with a similar desire for self-preservation that makes them at least somewhat predictable and not quick to pull the trigger when they know they might as well be pointing the gun at themselves when they do.

I view the radicalized Muslims as "The Aliens". Every bit as dangerous, but completely unpredictable because they think everything they do is for their "God" and that this life is just the shit we have to go through until heaven awaits if we've served well enough. No instinct toward self-preservation.



No matter what they say to the public, I don't think we've ever had a true believer in the seat of the President since the bombs have been made, and that is a very good thing.

There is nothing scarier on this planet that a devout worshiper of God who's got a nuke at their disposal.


Russians having nukes is not scary.

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Wednesday, June 28, 2017 1:02 PM

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3 Out Of 4 US Energy Firms Were Hacked In 2016

U.S. consulting major Deloitte released a report on Monday that said American energy companies showed “limited strategic appreciation” for cyber-threats.

Analysts said three of every four U.S. oil and gas companies experienced a cyber-attack in 2016, but only a few firms said the computerized attacks posed a major security risk.

"Whether hackers use spyware targeting bidding data of fields, malware infecting production control systems, or denial of service that blocks the flow of information through control systems, they are becoming increasingly sophisticated and, specifically alarming, launching coordinated attacks on the industry," the report said.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-28/3-out-4-us-energy-firms-were-
hacked-2016




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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
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Wednesday, June 28, 2017 1:42 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, blame everything bad- from acne to sunspots- on Russia.

Did you notice, GSTRING, in the entire article there is not one single piece of evidence indicating that this blackout was even a cyber-attack, let alone one by Russia?





You know what we noticed SIG. That again you defend Russia. It's the one thing you are consistent about comrade.







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Wednesday, June 28, 2017 5:32 PM

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You know what we noticed SIG THUGR. That again you defend blame Russia. It's the one thing you are consistent about comrade.- SIGNY


So hey THUGR, can we blame Russia for you???


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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
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Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:36 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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You know what we noticed SIG THUGR. That again you defend blame Russia. It's the one thing you are consistent about comrade.- SIGNY


So hey THUGR, can we blame Russia for you???



Do you believe Russia hacked the recent presidential election?

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Wednesday, June 28, 2017 7:04 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Quote:

You know what we noticed SIG THUGR. That again you defend blame Russia. It's the one thing you are consistent about comrade.- SIGNY


So hey THUGR, can we blame Russia for you??? - SIGNY

Do you believe Russia hacked the recent presidential election?- GSTRING


Son, I don't "believe" anything, so your question is badly phrased.

Do I think that Russia may have engaged in information-gathering? Most likely.

Did Russia media express opinions about the candidates? Yes, but not very frequently, as far as I can tell. To the extent that I look at English-language Russian media headlines (maybe once a week, on average, but depending on how hot "Russia" is as a topic) I thought they were remarkably restrained.

Did Russia release the Podesta files to Wikileaks? No, because Julian Assange knows his source, and he said it was someone with legitimate access to the files. (Possibly Seth Rich, who was murdered.)

Did Russia change the outcome of the election? Not that I can tell.

In order to convict someone of a crime, you have to describe WHAT you think was done. But I can't imagine what you're imagining might have happened - your fears seem to point in a dozen different directions. So why don't you start out by telling me WHAT you think happened (and don't use generalized terms like "hack" ... there are probably a dozen different activities that word might cover)... and then we can go from there.



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Thursday, June 29, 2017 9:35 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Son, I don't "believe" anything, so your question is badly phrased.



That's a lying dodge. You've filled half this forum with your best guesses about International activities and intentions, so you definitely "believe" in things. Try again - or don't. I believe I have my answer.

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Thursday, June 29, 2017 1:26 PM

SIGNYM

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Son, I don't "believe" anything, so your question is badly phrased. - SIGNY

That's a lying dodge.- GSTRING

Anyone reading this thread can see what a tool you are. Despite the fact that your question was badly-phrased, and that there are probably a dozen (or more) activities that fall under your rather nebulous term "hacked" I DID answer your question about activities that Russia has been accused of. Here, let me repeat my answer, amybe you will read with comprehension this time:

Quote:

Do I think that Russia may have engaged in information-gathering? Most likely.

Did Russia media express opinions about the candidates? Yes, but not very frequently, as far as I can tell. To the extent that I look at English-language Russian media headlines (maybe once a week, on average, but depending on how hot "Russia" is as a topic) I thought they were remarkably restrained.

Did Russia release the Podesta files to Wikileaks? No, because Julian Assange knows his source, and he said it was someone with legitimate access to the files. (Possibly Seth Rich, who was murdered.)

Did Russia change the outcome of the election? Not that I can tell.- SIGNY

There, I answered your question as best as I can interpret it, for a second time!

Quote:

You've filled half this forum with your best guesses about International activities and intentions, so you definitely "believe" in things.- GSTRING
GSTRING, you should stop using words like "belief" (or "intelligence") if you don't know their meaning. Here, let me post a few random definitions from sources that YOU would trust, so that I can compare and contrast it with other activities ...

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BELIEF
A state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion.
A religious conviction.



Clearly, I speculate/ think/ deduce/ opine all of the time. When I offer an opinion, obviously I think it's true, otherwise I wouldn't post it. ON THE OTHER HAND, I'm certainly willing to have my mind changed with verifiable evidence and robust argument. And I've changed my mind on quite a few things ... not because of you, of course, but because of others here. So I don't think that qualifies as "belief", since "belief" is what happens outside of evidence, or despite evidence. If my opinions change because of new evidence, that's not a "belief".

You, along with many others here, confuse the depth of your feelings about a topic with deductive accuracy. You believe that if you're sincere and feel deeply about a topic, that your perceptions are true. I have no doubt about your sincerity, but your emotions are actually biasing your perceptions, and the stronger you "feel" about something, the more likely it is that your judgment will suffer as a result. That's why I try to put upsetting information into an "interesting if true" warehouse, and try to disentangle my expectations and assumptions from my perceptions.

In terms what what I DO "believe" ... son, you haven't even gotten CLOSE to my belief system. It's pretty esoteric.

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I believe I have my answer.- GSTRING
I believe that you're merely deflecting from the question that I asked YOU, which was

Quote:

why don't you start out by telling me WHAT you think happened (and don't use generalized terms like "hack" ... there are probably a dozen different activities that word might cover)... and then we can go from there.
I did you the courtesy of answering your question as best as I could. Why don't you do me the courtesy of anwwering mine?

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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
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Thursday, June 29, 2017 1:42 PM

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Etiam mauris nisi, viverra vel malesuada sed, fermentum volutpat lorem. Quisque maximus tortor vitae odio pulvinar condimentum. Vestibulum finibus, libero quis vehicula sodales, lacus est mollis quam, nec rhoncus magna augue at nisl. Phasellus sed enim gravida, pharetra quam non, fermentum ex. Aenean in tortor eu libero laoreet aliquam ut sed nisl. In a neque commodo, congue massa et, interdum dolor. Vestibulum luctus ac eros tempus ultricies. Suspendisse eleifend mauris vel metus luctus, non fermentum elit dignissim. In non orci egestas, volutpat quam nec, convallis risus. Duis iaculis ultricies sem in sodales. Sed nibh odio, lobortis et nunc quis, fringilla eleifend purus. Nullam ipsum lacus, semper vitae diam vitae, porttitor lobortis est.

Vestibulum et libero nunc. Vestibulum laoreet ac nibh eu posuere. Maecenas porta tortor eget enim tempus, et viverra massa condimentum. Curabitur nec gravida lectus, eget vehicula odio. Integer vulputate urna eget nibh commodo, at convallis sem sagittis. Vivamus dignissim nisl non aliquet blandit. Nulla gravida risus id erat ornare, ac porta arcu tempus. Aenean vitae elit vel metus vestibulum porta sit amet et leo. Ut iaculis scelerisque dui, id ultrices dolor accumsan rutrum. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Quisque nec viverra urna.

Donec vitae posuere metus. Pellentesque lacinia magna at quam facilisis auctor. Integer velit velit, lacinia ac enim ut, posuere ultricies dui. Sed vitae finibus urna. Pellentesque felis odio, aliquet a est a, lobortis sodales urna. Proin quis mauris sollicitudin, consectetur dolor nec, placerat felis. Duis ac sapien justo. In eget nunc aliquet, tincidunt diam sit amet, dignissim tellus. Maecenas hendrerit porttitor magna, ut viverra dolor gravida dapibus. Etiam tincidunt massa felis, imperdiet porta odio ultrices eget.

Sour gas farts convallis felis. Nam vel augue et urna cursus ultricies. Pellentesque porta ante turpis, et porttitor libero fermentum non. Maecenas erat sapien, lacinia non viverra non, hendrerit et justo. Curabitur molestie velit enim. Maecenas eros risus, eleifend nec eros id, malesuada euismod erat. Suspendisse ligula sapien, consequat vel augue eu, venenatis viverra quam.

In terms what what I DO "believe" ... son, you haven't even gotten CLOSE to my belief system. It's pretty esoteric.




Golly, gee SIGNYM! You're so special! I don't think I've ever met anyone as thinkful as you!

Hon, you take forever to say nothing.

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Thursday, June 29, 2017 1:53 PM

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Etiam mauris nisi, viverra vel malesuada sed, fermentum volutpat lorem. Quisque maximus tortor vitae odio pulvinar condimentum. Vestibulum finibus, libero quis vehicula sodales, lacus est mollis quam, nec rhoncus magna augue at nisl. Phasellus sed enim gravida, pharetra quam non, fermentum ex. Aenean in tortor eu libero laoreet aliquam ut sed nisl. In a neque commodo, congue massa et, interdum dolor. Vestibulum luctus ac eros tempus ultricies. Suspendisse eleifend mauris vel metus luctus, non fermentum elit dignissim. In non orci egestas, volutpat quam nec, convallis risus. Duis iaculis ultricies sem in sodales. Sed nibh odio, lobortis et nunc quis, fringilla eleifend purus. Nullam ipsum lacus, semper vitae diam vitae, porttitor lobortis est.

Vestibulum et libero nunc. Vestibulum laoreet ac nibh eu posuere. Maecenas porta tortor eget enim tempus, et viverra massa condimentum. Curabitur nec gravida lectus, eget vehicula odio. Integer vulputate urna eget nibh commodo, at convallis sem sagittis. Vivamus dignissim nisl non aliquet blandit. Nulla gravida risus id erat ornare, ac porta arcu tempus. Aenean vitae elit vel metus vestibulum porta sit amet et leo. Ut iaculis scelerisque dui, id ultrices dolor accumsan rutrum. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Quisque nec viverra urna.

Donec vitae posuere metus. Pellentesque lacinia magna at quam facilisis auctor. Integer velit velit, lacinia ac enim ut, posuere ultricies dui. Sed vitae finibus urna. Pellentesque felis odio, aliquet a est a, lobortis sodales urna. Proin quis mauris sollicitudin, consectetur dolor nec, placerat felis. Duis ac sapien justo. In eget nunc aliquet, tincidunt diam sit amet, dignissim tellus. Maecenas hendrerit porttitor magna, ut viverra dolor gravida dapibus. Etiam tincidunt massa felis, imperdiet porta odio ultrices eget.

Sour gas farts convallis felis. Nam vel augue et urna cursus ultricies. Pellentesque porta ante turpis, et porttitor libero fermentum non. Maecenas erat sapien, lacinia non viverra non, hendrerit et justo. Curabitur molestie velit enim. Maecenas eros risus, eleifend nec eros id, malesuada euismod erat. Suspendisse ligula sapien, consequat vel augue eu, venenatis viverra quam. - GSTRING

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Golly, gee SIGNYM! You're so special! I don't think I've ever met anyone as thinkful as you!

Hon, you take forever to say nothing.

Son, you just took forever to NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION. But I'm flattered that you would put so much effort into deflection!

In case you missed it, YOUR topic was "cybersecurity" and my answer to your badly-worded question about Russia "hacking" (whatever THAT is) our election was ...

Quote:

Do I think that Russia may have engaged in information-gathering? Most likely.

Did Russia media express opinions about the candidates? Yes, but not very frequently, as far as I can tell. To the extent that I look at English-language Russian media headlines (maybe once a week, on average, but depending on how hot "Russia" is as a topic) I thought they were remarkably restrained.

Did Russia release the Podesta files to Wikileaks? No, because Julian Assange knows his source, and he said it was someone with legitimate access to the files. (Possibly Seth Rich, who was murdered.)

Did Russia change the outcome of the election? Not that I can tell.- SIGNY

And MY question (about YOUR topic, BTW) was ...

Quote:

why don't you start out by telling me WHAT you think happened (and don't use generalized terms like "hack" ... there are probably a dozen different activities that word might cover)... and then we can go from there.

I did you the courtesy of answering your question as best as I could. Why don't you do me the courtesy of answering mine?





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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:26 PM

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Golly, gee SIGNYM! You're so special! I don't think I've ever met anyone as thinkful as you!

Hon, you take forever to say nothing.

Son, you just took forever to NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION. But I'm flattered that you would put so much effort into deflection!

In case you missed it, YOUR topic was "cybersecurity" and my answer to your badly-worded question about Russia "hacking" (whatever THAT is) our election was ...

Quote:

Do I think that Russia may have engaged in information-gathering? Most likely.

Did Russia media express opinions about the candidates? Yes, but not very frequently, as far as I can tell. To the extent that I look at English-language Russian media headlines (maybe once a week, on average, but depending on how hot "Russia" is as a topic) I thought they were remarkably restrained.

Did Russia release the Podesta files to Wikileaks? No, because Julian Assange knows his source, and he said it was someone with legitimate access to the files. (Possibly Seth Rich, who was murdered.)

Did Russia change the outcome of the election? Not that I can tell.- SIGNY

And MY question (about YOUR topic, BTW) was ...

Quote:

why don't you start out by telling me WHAT you think happened (and don't use generalized terms like "hack" ... there are probably a dozen different activities that word might cover)... and then we can go from there.

I did you the courtesy of answering your question as best as I could. Why don't you do me the courtesy of answering mine?





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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one




Because I don't believe you. I believe you are a compulsive liar. So no, you didn't answer my question - you posted 1000 characters of condescension. Do you believe me?

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Thursday, June 29, 2017 5:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


Quote:

Because I don't believe you.-GSTRING
So, because you "don't believe" me, you "don't believe" that I answered the question? I mean, I can see how you might not "believe" my answer, but I DID answer. Why would you deny that I did?

But, son, you just provided a demonstration of the problem with "belief". If you scroll up, you will see that I answered your (poorly phrased) question in as many permutations as seemed relevant. And yet, despite the evidence of printed characters staring at you from the screen, you "believe" that I didn't. You're like one of those flat-earthers, yanno? Unwilling to see what is directly in front of you.

Quote:

I believe you are a compulsive liar.
Yep, another belief. You're just chock-full of them, aren't you?

Quote:

So no, you didn't answer my question
Please scroll up and re-read my answers. But, to summarize: I think Russia probably did SOME things (like info-gathering) and didn't do OTHER things (like electronically change votes or voter registration rolls, or release the Podesta email to the DNC.) If that wasn't your question, then re-phrase it to be more specific so that I can answer it.

Quote:

you posted 1000 characters of condescension.
Actually, it was advice that I personally have found very useful in how to manage information. The big takeaway from that was: The more deeply you feel about something, the more likely that your observations and deductions will be biased. If you want to eliminate bias, then put your beliefs into quarantine when evaluating info. That seems pretty self-evident to me.

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Do you believe me?
Since I don't "believe" in much of anything, why should I make an exception for you?

But feel free to bring insight to your topic of cybersecurity any time.

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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, June 30, 2017 9:42 AM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But, son, you just provided a demonstration of the problem with "belief". If you scroll up, you will see that I answered your (poorly phrased) question in as many permutations as seemed relevant. And yet, despite the evidence of printed characters staring at you from the screen, you "believe" that I didn't. You're like one of those flat-earthers, yanno? Unwilling to see what is directly in front of you.



What is infront of me is 2+ years of fielding your deflections and deceits, so no, answering with a deflection is not really much of an answer. Definitely not an honest one but also not unexpected.
"Hacking" is a general umbrella term and most people - certainly ones that are interested in having a discussion - understand what it encompasses. You first tried to argue the question and then, reluctantly agreed that you believe Russia did engage in some hacking behavior.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

I believe you are a compulsive liar.
Yep, another belief.



Yep!

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Actually, it was advice that I personally have found very useful in how to manage information



Yep, that's condescension.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Do you believe me?
Since I don't "believe" in much of anything, why should I make an exception for you?



I believe that's a lie. Did you believe Hillary would start WWIII? Do you believe your husband will be a good man in 5 years? I could go on and on and on. You have many beliefs. How many of them you honestly shared with this forum is something I've always doubted. Your answers are as carefully and transparently constructed as most white house press briefings.

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Friday, June 30, 2017 10:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


Quote:

What is infront of me is 2+ years of fielding your deflections and deceits, so no, answering with a deflection is not really much of an answer. Definitely not an honest one but also not unexpected.


I answered your question. Suck on it.

Quote:

"Hacking" is a general umbrella term and most people - certainly ones that are interested in having a discussion - understand what it encompasses. You first tried to argue the question and then, reluctantly agreed that you believe Russia did engage in some hacking behavior.
Liar.
I have said all along that Russia probably snooped into the DNC server.

You're just like THUGR, who claimed I was changing my view of Trump. Well, I posted MANY earlier negative statements about Trump, and jammed them up THUGR'S ass. So, do you want me to go back and find my original statements and prove what a lying sack of shit you are?

Quote:

Did you believe Hillary would start WWIII?
I thought that was the one thing that Hillary was going to do what she SAID she was going to do, and that was to take a more "kinetic" approach to Syria, which would put us into direct conflict with Russia.

Quote:

Do you believe your husband will be a good man in 5 years?
I hope so, but I don't know so. He may develop Alzheimer's or have a stroke or some other medical crisis which will change his personality.

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I could go on and on and on. You have many beliefs.
I have many conjectures. The difference between a conjecture and a belief is that conjectures are always subject to change, but beliefs are resistant to evidence.

Tell me, GSTRING, have you EVER changed a deeply felt belief based solely on evidence? EVER had to grudgingly admit that you were wrong about something, and had to re-think why or how you got there? Or do you have all of the answers already, and don't have to question much of anything?

Quote:

How many of them you honestly shared with this forum is something I've always doubted.
When I tell you what my deeply-held opinions are, you tell me that I'm being condescending.

Quote:

Your answers are as carefully and transparently constructed as most white house press briefings.
I've found, over the years, that it's generally best not to make broad sweeping statements or exaggerations.

So, to explain a little bit about my beliefs (a priori assumptions)

I believe that the universe is a real place
And that we are all part of it
And that we can come to know it through our senses.


This puts me squarely in the realm of objective realism (versus subjective idealism). Most people here are at least partly subjective idealists, and I suspect that this stems from using language ...

When we say a word ("cup") we THINK we know what it means, we have some sort of vague ideal cup in mind. But when you explore the realm of "cup" ... does it have a handle, like an English teacup? How is that different from a "mug"? Or a "stein"? Or is it without a handle, like Japanese teacup? How is THAT different from a bowl? Or a "glass"? How large does it have to be to BE a bowl? How narrow does it have to be to be a "glass"? Or a "flute"?

... Words make us THINK there is some sort of ideal version of the thing, but when we explore the edges of the word's definition we find that we. really. DON'T. know. exactly. what. we're talking about.

Not a problem for words like "cup", "glass", and "teacup" because we can point to the thing, but much MUCH more problematic for words like "human life" (both easily challenged), "freedom", "government", "truth", "intelligence" and .... even "hacking".

IN REALITY, the universe and the events within it are complex phenomena that often exist on a spectrum. There are very large areas where an idea (alive) and its exact opposite (dead) blend into another. Not to say that these phenomena are the same - they're not- but we have to draw a line SOMEwhere and we should know where we're drawing that line.

That's why I quite often challenge people to DEFINE THEIR TERMS AND BE SPECIFIC. It's not because I'm trying to be a prick, it's because I myself don't know what they're talking about or I suspect THEY don't know what they're talking about.

"The universe isn't confused; we are".

So, tell me how YOU think Russia "hacked" our elections and I'll tell you whether I agree or not.

Condescending enough for you?

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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, July 3, 2017 4:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


So, G, that is how how I approach understanding the real world. Part of that approach is with the assumption that our words, at the same time that they allow us to pass on knowledge from generation to generation, also (to some extent) can obscure the REAL real world, so we have to loop back and assure ourselves that our intellectual tools aren't limiting us in some fundamental way. It's like they say: When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

*******

So, back to the topic of cybersecurity. I heard an extremely interesting interview on NPR on the state of cybersecurity, Wannacry versus Petya, etc. with Salim Neino. He's the CEO and co-founder of Kryptos Logic. It was one of their researchers who found the WannaCry kill switch.

I wish there was a full transcript, not just audio, but one of the interesting things he had to say about the concept of a cyberattack invoking Article 5 (NATO mutual defense) is that attribution is EXTREMELY difficult, and he- a cybersecurity guy- would have not
ever attribute an attack to any particular source, based on the information that is available to him.

He also said that attacks have ramped up in seriousness and effectiveness since the sale of the NSA hacking tools, which wound up in the hands of the Shadow Brokers.
https://www.cnet.com/news/hackers-behind-stolen-nsa-tool-for-wannacry-
more-leaks-coming
/

http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/2017/07/03/57738/talking-cybersec
urity-with-the-ceo-of-the-company
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Friday, July 28, 2017 12:21 PM

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MOSCOW (AP) — Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin had to scrap a trip to Moldova on Friday after his plane was barred from entering Romanian and Hungarian airspace.

Rogozin said in comments to Russian news agencies that he and other Russian officials were traveling on a commercial flight to the Moldovan capital of Chisinau when the plane was denied passage over Romania or Hungary, both European Union members. It had to land in the Belarusian capital of Minsk because it was running out of fuel.

The deputy prime minister is one of the most senior Russian officials slapped with an EU visa ban in 2014 following Russia's annexation of Crimea.

http://www.nydailynews.com/newswires/news/world/romania-blocks-russian
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Friday, July 28, 2017 12:24 PM

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Friday, July 28, 2017 1:39 PM

SIGNYM

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NEW YORK/LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - Drug and vaccine maker Merck & Co Inc (MRK.N) said it suffered a worldwide disruption of its operations when it was the victim of an international cyber attack in June, halting production of its drugs, which will hurt its profits for the rest of the year.

The company said it does not yet understand the full magnitude of the impact as it is in the process of restoring manufacturing operations. It disclosed the attack last month, but did not disclose the manufacturing shutdown at the time.

Merck said it was confident that it will be able to maintain a continuous supply of its top-selling and life-saving drugs, including cancer drug Keytruda, diabetes drug Januvia and hepatitis C drug Zepatier. But it warned of temporary delays in delivering some other products, which it did not identify.

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Tuesday, August 1, 2017 7:20 PM

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Russian hackers arrested on vacation in US-led operation

Five Russians accused of being hackers have been arrested in a series of American-led raids over the last nine months – all of them grabbed while on vacation across Europe.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/01/russian-hackers-arrested-on-va
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Tuesday, August 1, 2017 10:24 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Wut makes no sens to me iz this universal rush to impliment the IOT (internet of things).

Its the basis for most uv the storyz in the tek journalz I get. There iz a constant flow uv jee wiz storyz in the MSM, there are usually several comercialz during the TV showz I woc with happy family peepl tokking to Siri about doing chorez.

Having your Windowz PC bog down & crash regularly from malware iz bad enuf. I dont see why anybody woud think its a good idea to risk their car, frij, TV, HVAC, washer & dryer etc by connecting them to the internet. Are they so incredibly bizzy/lazy/stoopid that they cant look in the frij and see for themselvez if they need milk? Iz it worth the possibilty that a virus coud ruin a weeks worth uv food or even the frij?

And putting a nation'z utilityz at risk iz clearly idiotic and criminally irresponsible.

The minor conveniens offered by the IOT duz not justify the risk.
Hoo iz the driving fors behind getting everything connected?

Gotta be Skynet.

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Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:35 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Dude.... 100% in agreement with you there.

It's got to be driving "somebody" nuts that the only tether I have in my house to the internet is my computer that has no camera or microphone on it.


Even my freakin' dad got one of those Amazon things the other week. It's not siri, but I can't remember what they call "her".

I asked him if he remembers all that Sci-Fi we used to watch when I was a kid, particularly things like the Outer Limits episode with Tom Arnold and the robot he got for the family.

Just another reason I'm a big fan of old cars like the one you're fixing up. The less tech the better, I say.

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Wednesday, August 2, 2017 5:09 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


There hav been several storyz about the software in carz goofing up & cauzing a fatal crash. GM'z OnStar can shut the car down wile its rolling, so if a hacker (or Skynet) wanted to kill you, he coud wait till youre doing 70 and about to enter a curve and kill the enjin, so no power brakes, no power steering.

Altho its cool that a Tesla can drive itself, they are connected to the www, so its only a matter uv time till sumwun gets murdered or kidnapped by sumwun commandeering the car.

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Wednesday, August 2, 2017 5:24 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Yeah... or this...




That's the deal with all of this tech. It does make life easier and a lot of it can make life a lot safer too. Every time you let something like that into your life though you're allowing somebody else into it as well. Whether it's hackers, or the government or Skynet or whatever...

I LOVE video games. I still won't ever own an XBox One though, or if I did it would only be completely physically disabled from going online. I'm not sure if you can even play the games on it then though. In that case I'd only have it for the potential hacks you could do with it.

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Wednesday, August 2, 2017 1:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


I remember the ORIGINAL Jeep hack, and now ....

Quote:

The Jeep Hackers Are Back to Prove Car Hacking Can Get Much Worse

Almost exactly a year ago, Chrysler announced a recall for 1.4 million vehicles after a pair of hackers demonstrated to WIRED that they could remotely hijack a Jeep's digital systems over the Internet. For Chrysler, the fix was embarrassing and costly. But now those two researchers have returned with work that asks Chrysler and the automotive industry to imagine an alternate reality, one where instead of reporting their research to the automaker so it could be fixed, they had kept working on it in secret—the way malicious hackers would have. In doing so, they've developed a new hack that offers a sobering lesson: It could have been—and still could be—much worse.

At the Black Hat security conference later this week, automotive cybersecurity researchers Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek will present a new arsenal of attacks against the same 2014 Jeep Cherokee they hacked in 2015. Last year, they remotely hacked into the car and paralyzed it on highway I-64—while I was driving in traffic. They could even disable the car's brakes at low speeds.

By sending carefully crafted messages on the vehicle's internal network known as a CAN bus, they're now able to pull off even more dangerous, unprecedented tricks like causing unintended acceleration and slamming on the car's brakes or turning the vehicle's steering wheel at any speed.

"Imagine last year if instead of cutting the transmission on the highway, we'd turned the wheel 180 degrees," says Chris Valasek. I can imagine. But he spells it out anyway. "You wouldn’t be on the phone with us. You’d be dead."

[The latest hack could not be accomplished via the internet. BUT ...]

"There will almost certainly continue to be remote vulnerabilities in the future," says Karl Koscher, a researcher at the University of California at San Diego who found one of the first car-hacking techniques for GM's Onstar in 2010. Miller and Valasek's latest work shows, he says, that "if you can get on the right CAN bus through those vulnerabilities, you can use these techniques to take pretty dramatic control of the car."

Here's a video of their steering attack demonstration:

]

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed-steering-
acceleration-hacks
/



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Wednesday, August 2, 2017 4:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


So THUGR, if you're not sure of my point by now, here it is:

There is so much hacking going on, the answer to hacking ISN'T indicting or arresting a few Russians for a few "show trials" (which won't materially affect the rate and damages from hacking), the answer to hacking is better cybersecurity. And maybe publicly flogging the NSA for keeping those vulnerabilities a secret, and allowing the rest of us poor sods to be exposed to identity theft and ransomware and all the rest of the criminal hacking out there.

Yeah, so thanks NSA. You managed to protect your own ass but left ours hanging out.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
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