people dying of the heat - but hey, rappy's backyard is just fine!

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1KIKI

Saturday, May 30, 2015 5:05 AM

About 1,100 People Dead as Summer Temperatures Soar in India

More than 852 people have died from the stifling heat in Andhra Pradesh since May 13, a government statement said. In neighboring Telengana 266 have died from heat-related causes, Bhambal Ram Meena, a top official in the disaster management department, said. Over the last two days temperatures in both states have reduced marginally but continue to hover near 45 degrees Celsius (113 degrees Fahrenheit).

1KIKI

Saturday, May 30, 2015 5:08 AM

And a shout-out to people with a clue -

http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news/2015/05/pope-francis-once-chem
ist-issue-document-laying-out-moral-justification-fight-global-warming?et_cid=4593175&et_rid=366206770&location=top

Pope Francis, Once a Chemist, to Issue Document Laying out Moral Justification to Fight Global Warming

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Saturday, May 30, 2015 7:19 AM

http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2015/05/antarctic-ice-shelves-
melting-faster-raising-sea-levels?et_cid=4585908&et_rid=366206770&type=headline

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

GEEZER

Saturday, May 30, 2015 7:56 AM

Yep. Wish folks would reduce their CO2 emissions.

I do note that while the U.S. has reduced their annual CO2 emissions by 85 million tonnes between 2010 and 2012 (The latest year CDIAC has figures for), India increased theirs by 63 million tonnes, and China is up 365 million tonnes. Glad we're on the right side of the numbers.

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/emis/meth_reg.html

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, May 31, 2015 2:15 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Yep. Wish folks would reduce their CO2 emissions.

I do note that while the U.S. has reduced their annual CO2 emissions by 85 million tonnes between 2010 and 2012 (The latest year CDIAC has figures for), India increased theirs by 63 million tonnes, and China is up 365 million tonnes. Glad we're on the right side of the numbers.

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/emis/meth_reg.html

After algore invented Global Warming, good thing America was able to use legislation to move all those jobs and companies to China and India.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, July 16, 2015 5:06 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Yep. Wish folks would reduce their CO2 emissions.

I do note that while the U.S. has reduced their annual CO2 emissions by 85 million tonnes between 2010 and 2012 (The latest year CDIAC has figures for), India increased theirs by 63 million tonnes, and China is up 365 million tonnes. Glad we're on the right side of the numbers.

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/emis/meth_reg.html

I keep hearing people like Don Easterbrook disputing the dogma of CO2 emissions trumping over science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Easterbrook

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/08/rebuttal-to-the-attack-on-dr-don
-easterbrook/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/14/don-easterbrooks-response-to-a-s
mear-by-wwu-geology-faculty/
Yep, GW fiction alarmist states "I don't want the media to present both sides of an issue"

1KIKI

Friday, July 17, 2015 9:24 AM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-27/like-that-heat-wave-
75-of-them-attributable-to-climate-change

75% of Heat Waves Are Attributable to Climate Change

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Blame global warming for about 75 percent of the world’s unusually hot days and 18 percent of its extreme snow or rain, according to a new paper in the journal Nature Climate Change.

Heat waves and heavy storms are occurring at least four times more often than they did before carbon pollution started driving up thermometers. Global average temperatures are now about 0.85 degrees Celsius (1.4 Fahrenheit) higher than before industrialization.

Additional heat and precipitation are expensive. Severe weather costs the U.S. economy as much as $33 billion a year, according to a U.S. Energy Department report released April 21.

And those figures will increase as the planet continues to warm, as climate change may not be smooth or gradual, according to the new paper. At 2 degrees Celsius -- United Nations climate negotiators’ avowed upper limit -- extremely hot days may be twice as likely as at 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming. After 2 degrees Celsius, the odds of high-heat days may be five times greater than today.

“What used to be a one-in-a-thousand day, a one-in-three-year event, actually occurs four times in three years,” Erich Fischer, a researcher at the Institute for Atmospheric & Climate Science in Zurich and one of the study’s authors, said in a telephone interview. “Weather extremes have always been occurring, before any human influence, but that doesn’t mean that there can’t be human influence on the extremes.”

read more at the link

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, July 17, 2015 9:40 AM

Shit happens.....

I'm sure two years ago when I sweltered in two months of 90+ degree temps and 15 days straight of 100+ temps, you suffered by paying a little more on your power bill and cool temps....

Walk a mile in another man's shoes....

You've never done it, at least not with weather conditions....

For the second year in a row, we're dealing with very modest temps, especially compared to the previous two years....

I know about heat. Ask me about fire.

It's just like Ellie Goulding's song...

Except NONE of the good times....

And all of the fiery shit nobody loves...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Friday, July 17, 2015 10:19 AM

One, just wondering if Jack has seen the specs for making your own a/c?

Two. If we're going to have another one of those two year freezes like they keep saying we will soon, what's it matter? Ps. In this area in 1816 we actually had SNOW in JUNE. People lived off of canned fish, because all the corn wouldn't grow, or died. Next year is the 200 yr anniversary of that, btw.

Three. There are people dying in India of the heat just about every year. Just like Russians can't swim and you see a bunch die every time temps rise there, some things will always happen. People die by fireworks every year in this country. Every couple years there's a stampede at some dumbass futbol tournament and people get trampled. Every month in this country a female teacher molests a kid, or a kid gets eaten by the family dog, or the kid shoots itself in the head...I can set my watch by these things. I could do more about all of these things theoretically than I could do about the weather.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 17, 2015 4:26 PM

WISH, three words make hash of your "It's happened before" response

average

global

temperature

No, it hasn't happened before.

At least, not in any geologic time that you'd want to (or could) live through.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Friday, July 17, 2015 6:21 PM

Jack, you make assumptions, and then you get twisted over them. If you're addressing 'me' specifically, when you say

"I'm sure two years ago when I sweltered in two months of 90+ degree temps and 15 days straight of 100+ temps, you suffered by paying a little more on your power bill and cool temps.... Walk a mile in another man's shoes.... You've never done it, at least not with weather conditions...."

then let me point out for the record, I have never lived in an air conditioned place - neither home nor apartment.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:55 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
WISH, three words make hash of your "It's happened before"

....and I have the same nine words I always have for you
"WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO ABOUT IT?

It's INDIA for fucks sake, they don't wanna join even the 20th century there's not much anyone can do. They wash in one dirty ass river they and their cows think is sacred. Ewwwww.

And I'm also saying even if the global temp has gone up (whether or not through our cause is pointless to argue, unless you have some power over peasants I don't know about) if we DO get a TWO YEAR FREEZE or even a summer freeze that is probably going to affect mean temps AGAIN. So complaining about something that is subject to change is a waste of complaining time. Find something *SPECIFIC* to kvetch about and get back to me, m'kay?

As for our A/C and heat, they run here all year and is likely to for as long as my kid is living. Being allergic to cold also means she can't go out and get hot in the summer and walk into cold AC so we keep the front part of the house 80 degrees and the back part 75 all summer so her skin doesn't shock. She wore a dress to a restaurant a few years back and they had high a/c on... all I have to do is look at her back as the skin is permanently damaged.

We have to keep the house temperate all year long here. Sorry 'bout that carbon footprint stuff. I can't help it.

1KIKI

Saturday, July 18, 2015 10:45 AM

"Find something *SPECIFIC* to kvetch about and get back to me, m'kay?'

What is more specific than people dying of extreme heat?

ETA: About this - 'It's INDIA for fucks sake, they don't wanna join even the 20th century there's not much anyone can do.'

I'm guessing you're old enough to remember the European heat wave of 2003. 'The 2003 European heat wave led to the hottest summer on record in Europe since at least 1540.[1] France was hit especially hard. The heat wave led to health crises in several countries and combined with drought to create a crop shortfall in parts of Southern Europe. Peer-reviewed analysis places the European death toll at more than 70,000.'

In Australia there was this - 'The Australian summer of 2012–2013, known as the Angry Summer or Extreme Summer, resulted in 123 weather records being broken over a 90-day period, including the hottest day ever recorded for Australia as a whole, the hottest January on record, the hottest summer average on record, and a record seven days in a row when the whole continent averaged above 39 °C.[1][2] Single-day temperature records were broken in dozens of towns and cities, as well as single-day rainfall records, and several rivers flooded to new record highs.' ... which resulted in about 200 deaths

Then there were northern hemisphere heat waves in 2010 - 'The 2010 Northern Hemisphere summer heat waves included severe heat waves that impacted most of the United States, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, China, Hong Kong, North Africa and the European continent as a whole, along with parts of Canada, Russia, Indochina, South Korea and Japan during May, June, July, and August 2010.'

Is the US a third-world country that deserves no compassion?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:53 PM

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WISH, three words make hash of your "It's happened before"- SIGNY

....and I have the same nine words I always have for you
"WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO ABOUT IT?

Whatever you can. Vote. Join an organization, like 350.org. Change the parts of your lifestyle that you can (not the parts that you can't). Be aware, even if you CAN'T do much about it, because an opportunity may come along where you can effect change.

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It's INDIA for fucks sake, they don't wanna join even the 20th century there's not much anyone can do. They wash in one dirty ass river they and their cows think is sacred. Ewwwww.

What does that have to do with record heat?

Actually, I saw an interesting photo .... same problem in Pakistan .... of large numbers of bodies being wheeled into the morgue to make a point that a lot of people were dying of the heat, and I thought Huh, that's interesting. You die of heat first, and THEN you're refrigerated? I guess that's because dead people wreak a certain inescapable vengeance- they smell. People who are alive and suffering are much more tolerable/ignorable.

Our collective worldwide problems are climate shift and environmental destruction, propelled by overpopulation. Overpopulation comes about when women's social, economic, and political role is restricted to "breeding", and access to birth control is controlled (by men). Lack of economic development prevents the "demographic shift" from occurring. So a foreign policy which supports dictatorships, an economic policy which drains weaker economies, and a military policy which destroys nations, drives instability, poverty, and overpopulation. Also ... do you have ANY IDEA HOW MUCH ENERGY OUR MILITARY USES???

Look at China versus India - they started out in about the same place: lots of poor peasants. With many missteps, China took control of its development. India continues to be preyed on. It's all one thing. If you think about it, I'm sure you'll find many avenues to "do something" about, preferably with some sort of organized group.

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And I'm also saying even if the global temp has gone up (whether or not through our cause is pointless to argue, unless you have some power over peasants I don't know about) if we DO get a TWO YEAR FREEZE or even a summer freeze that is probably going to affect mean temps AGAIN. So complaining about something that is subject to change is a waste of complaining time. Find something *SPECIFIC* to kvetch about and get back to me, m'kay?

The long term-trend is that global.average.temperature is going up, at rates and to levels not seen in the recent geologic past. The only thing that would change that to any appreciable degree would be either a series of catastrophic volcanoes, or something like a Maunder minimum (solar output). But once the ice is gone, we're screwed. You want to see HEATING? It'll happen then.

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As for our A/C and heat, they run here all year and is likely to for as long as my kid is living. Being allergic to cold also means she can't go out and get hot in the summer and walk into cold AC so we keep the front part of the house 80 degrees and the back part 75 all summer so her skin doesn't shock. She wore a dress to a restaurant a few years back and they had high a/c on... all I have to do is look at her back as the skin is permanently damaged.

Oh, that's terrible. My BIL is allergic to cold, but not to that extent. Funny thing is, we do the same with out house: one part is 75 deg, the other is 80. Not because of any allergies to cold, but simply to save on the A/C bill.

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We have to keep the house temperate all year long here. Sorry 'bout that carbon footprint stuff. I can't help it.

No, you can't. But I hope you realize, after my post, that there are a lot of aspects to global warming that have nothing to do with your personal consumption. I don't really think that we

WISHIMAY

Sunday, July 19, 2015 4:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

What does that have to do with record heat?

do you have ANY IDEA HOW MUCH ENERGY OUR MILITARY USES???

Look at China versus India - they started out in about the same place: lots of poor peasants. With many missteps, China took control of its development. India continues to be preyed on. It's all one thing. If you think about it, I'm sure you'll find many avenues to "do something" about, preferably with some sort of organized group.

The long term-trend is that global.average.temperature is going up, at rates and to levels not seen in the recent geologic past. The only thing that would change that to any appreciable degree would be either a series of catastrophic volcanoes, or something like a Maunder minimum (solar output). But once the ice is gone, we're screwed. You want to see HEATING? It'll happen then.

1. If you have a group of people who cannot / do not learn about basic hygiene, what chance do you have to make arguments about Carbon Footprints?

2. No, I have no idea how much energy our military uses, and I doubt I'm going to affect one of the largest militaristic cultures on the planet, either. All the little boys here wanna join up and shoot people, so I doubt that is likely to change.

3.If this is something that means so much to you, why is the only thing you can tell me is "join an organization"? Not to mention, with homeschooling this year, I have NO EXTRA TIME...WHAT SO EVER. And as I've stated many times, the only reason I am still here is the internet meat shield. Interacting with actual people is and always will be FUTILE.

4. NEWSFLASH. The ice is going to go away at some point ANYWAY!!!

The ice could be gone at any time (solar or meteorite or massive volcano) and we could have nothing to do with it disappearing and we certainly couldn't FIX IT if it did happen. The only thing I know for sure is that NOTHING IS CERTAIN. Knowing that there has been a good half dozen mass extinctions already, we are bound for another at some point.
The further we are in time the more the probability rises that we will experience drastic temperatures previously unseen. We don't know enough about planet wide weather to be able to say ANYTHING with certainty. We've only been at this with any kind of dependability for the last 100 years or so. I also realize that we could be wiped off the planet any day and do not wish to waste me life complaining about global aspects I can't change.

SUCH IS LIFE. Unpredictable. Fragile. Inevitably tragic. Everything ends.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, July 19, 2015 4:22 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

1. If you have a group of people who cannot / do not learn about basic hygiene, what chance do you have to make arguments about Carbon Footprints?

WTF? Who are you talking about?

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 19, 2015 6:00 AM

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If you have a group of people who cannot / do not learn about basic hygiene, what chance do you have to make arguments about Carbon Footprints?

What we have is a group of people who have no time, resources, interest, or hope to do anything other than what they're doing. Maybe like you?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, July 19, 2015 9:19 AM

I think I've watched a few too many documentaries and travel reviws about India, or you all haven't seen enough.

There are cities like anything you find here, and there are true hell holes.

http://www.all-about-india.com/Ganges-River-Pollution.html

Seriously. read dat.

Unlike HALF the people of India (literally, according to recent polls), I can and have built my own bathroom. I can do many things that would be like trying to teach my Chihuahua calculus if you tried it in certain parts of India. So yeah, I do begrudge them that. If they cannot look around and see the dysentery from the water, the free range shitting that goes on- hell in many parts of India you can't even shake their hands, because they use their HANDS to wipe with. If they cannot look around and see the overpopulation, disease and destruction....

but wait, this stuff is on the news every day and most of you have no clue what I'm talking about....

Main Points to consider....
Hundreds Unwanted or 'illegitimate' babies, cattle and other animal carcases are also dumped in the Ganges again with religious significance. The levels of Coliform bacteria is over 2800 times the level considered safe by the W.H.O (world health organisation).

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, July 19, 2015 10:17 AM

Woo Hoo. You're referring to a country with the second largest population in the world, one of the higest density per square kilometre, is the site of the oldest civisations in the world, has some of the most diverse terrain and climates, numerous langages (122 major languages and 1599 other languages according to wiki), also has one of the largest growing economies and largest growth in wages and the middle class. In other words, it's a highly complex, vibrant society that given the above, probably does a hell of lot better than one could possibly imagine. And yet, you've watched a couple of documentaries and decided to fixate on hygene.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, July 19, 2015 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
And yet, you've watched a couple of documentaries and decided to fixate on hygene.

Fixate On hygiene? Yanno, 'cuz of how unimportant it is?

It's been over a hundred years since a car rolled offa production line, or a plane took to the skies, and these people still float their dead babies off in the same river they drink out of. DO YOU KNOW how toxic ONE dead body is? I mean, that's why we wear clean suits to just be NEAR one.
You choose to get fuzzy wuzzy about it and call them "complex"
Sorry, that's what we call "dumbasses" round these here parts, which by the way...compared to India we look like Einsteins.

1KIKI

Sunday, July 19, 2015 2:35 PM

Wish

Just - wow.

Out of curiosity, did you have the advantage of getting a free education through high school? Are you lucky enough to live in an economy and a demographic that has more than the minimum to get you to tomorrow? Do you own a home? Did that infrastructure that was built for you, which you tied your bathroom into, make having one possible?

Are you giving yourself credit for those circumstantial advantages? Are you blaming people without the same benefits as you?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 19, 2015 7:38 PM

Thanks KIKI, I was getting there.

Don't know if you remember, WISH, but it was I who posted a link to photos taken by a Chinese(?) tourist, of all the dead things floating on the Mother Ganges, and of all the people "purifying" (or simply washing!) themselves in that stew. But one of the things I figured out was that these people believe the water is PURIFYING, not necessarily that it's pure. It's like a river of Holy Water: no matter how tainted, it's blessed. Article of faith, not simple ignorance.

WISH, in India the highest literacy rate is in "socialist" Kerala (another piece of evidence that capitalism is a predatory system) at 95%, but in the poorer states, it's no better than 60% and THAT percentage of illiteracy falls disproportionately on females:

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There is a wide gender disparity in the literacy rate in India: effective literacy rates (age 7 and above) in 2011 were 82.14% for men and 65.46% for women. [9] The low female literacy rate has had a dramatically negative impact on family planning and population stabillisation efforts in India. Studies have indicated that female literacy is a strong predictor of the use of contraception among married Indian couples, even when women do not otherwise have economic independence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_India

So, little girls are supposed to educate THEMSELVES? In answer to KIKI's questions (to you) the answers are yes, yes, yes, and yes. They're doing what they do because all of society has thrown its weight against them. Maybe with your family's multiple health problems, you too are buried by circumstance. But there's no need to feel so superior to people who are dealing with even worse situations than yours.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, July 19, 2015 11:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Article of faith, not simple ignorance.

(another piece of evidence that capitalism is a predatory system)

What is the difference between faith and ignorance?
Not a damn thing. Both are just as likely to get you dead.

I would rather be with prick capitalists who don't deny education and religious rights, than socialists with their heads firmly entrenched up their asses.

And yeah, I'm not much of a flag waver, but in hygiene America IS pretty superior to India. And we did it in 200 years, and they've done next to nothing with all that land since 1C.E. The probability and pattern is they will continue to do nothing stellar. People will still be crapping in the streets 200 years from now.

Ps. It don't take much learning other than recognition of pattern to know "Don't drink water, it make you sick" Hell, dogs can do that.
Not to mention "If I get raped when I go outside to poop, I must build indoor plumbing" I mean, frontier people were doing that here 200 years ago.

If they cannot be bothered to even SEE an obvious problem, I cannot be bothered to care.

SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2015 12:04 AM

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What is the difference between faith and ignorance?

"Faith" is when you believe something for which there is no evidence (or, for which there is evidence to the contrary). So even if you're TOLD the truth, you wouldn't accept it.

Ignorance lack of information, and is solved by education. Did I really have to tell you that?

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I would rather be with prick capitalists who don't deny education and religious rights

Why do you think that religious and education "rights" are so important? Isn't the purifying power of Ganges an article of "faith"? Didn't you just say that "faith" is likely to get you dead?
So why would you be so protective of something you so clearly hate?

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If they cannot be bothered to even SEE an obvious problem, I cannot be bothered to care.

Huh. So, next time you complain, don't expect anyone to even pretend to care, 'mkay?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

WISHIMAY

Monday, July 20, 2015 1:19 AM

Yer just typin' to type now, right?

Religion= Socially acceptable mind control.
My right to my mind isn't something I ever gave away to begin with.
Feel free to claim YOUR rights to be brainwashed, tho.
Welcome to Capitalism.

1KIKI

Monday, July 20, 2015 2:49 AM

"Welcome to Capitalism."

Are you being ironic? I'm having a hard time telling, so I'm missing your point.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Monday, July 20, 2015 5:14 AM

Sig was the one referencing Socialism/India vs the greed of Capitalism/U.S..

Basically, if you are so against Capitalism, I'm sure Cuba and Vietnam would love to have you.

The inherent nature of humans is not sharing. We are competitive. I am one of the least competitive people I know and it is STILL in there. I would not want to live where I had to depend on others to that degree.

1KIKI

Monday, July 20, 2015 7:38 AM

I think you lost a lot of people with this argument:

It's INDIA for fucks sake, they don't wanna join even the 20th century there's not much anyone can do. They wash in one dirty ass river they and their cows think is sacred. Ewwwww.

If you have a group of people who cannot / do not learn about basic hygiene, what chance do you have to make arguments about Carbon Footprints?

Unlike HALF the people of India (literally, according to recent polls), I can and have built my own bathroom. I can do many things that would be like trying to teach my Chihuahua calculus if you tried it in certain parts of India. So yeah, I do begrudge them that. If they cannot look around and see the dysentery from the water, the free range shitting that goes on- hell in many parts of India you can't even shake their hands, because they use their HANDS to wipe with. If they cannot look around and see the overpopulation, disease and destruction....

Sorry, that's what we call "dumbasses" round these here parts, which by the way...compared to India we look like Einsteins.

they've done next to nothing with all that land since 1C.E. The probability and pattern is they will continue to do nothing stellar. People will still be crapping in the streets 200 years from now.

Ps. It don't take much learning other than recognition of pattern to know "Don't drink water, it make you sick" Hell, dogs can do that.
Not to mention "If I get raped when I go outside to poop, I must build indoor plumbing" I mean, frontier people were doing that here 200 years ago.

If they cannot be bothered to even SEE an obvious problem, I cannot be bothered to care.

Which translates, as best I can tell, as - I don't care if they were impoverished as a colony, then brutally exploited under capitalism - I got mine and it's their fault they didn't get theirs.

Also you're mistaken if you think India is socialist. 'I would rather be with prick capitalists who don't deny education and religious rights, than socialists with their heads firmly entrenched up their asses.' In Signy's example, the communists/ socialists (Chinese) have it all over the capitalists (Indians) in terms of education, standards of living, and environment. And hygiene too.

Finally, about this: 'Knowing that there has been a good half dozen mass extinctions already, we are bound for another at some point.' It's probably something one wouldn't want to live through, however. And if you are the cause - bathing in a global shit-hole of your own making, and inevitably killing yourself and others, to use your example - you could save yourself by not being so backwards.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 20, 2015 7:51 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
then let me point out for the record, I have never lived in an air conditioned place - neither home nor apartment.

Sucks, doesn't it 1kiki?

Gotta admit that it feels pretty damn nice to visit pretty much everyone in my family who does have A/C.

But... my lack of A/C is one of the many reasons that I always get that "Two Smiley Face" rating from my power company about how much less energy I'm spending compared to similar houses in my area.

I try to keep that in mind on days like yesterday when it's 95 degrees with 98% humidity and I don't have a pool.

Truth be told, if I were to have A/C, yesterday would have been the first day this year that I indulged.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Monday, July 20, 2015 9:11 AM

When I first moved into this neighborhood many decades ago, I was the newcomer and everyone else were the old, old-timers. These people had settled in in the 1930's at the start of their married and family lives. So I asked them - what did you do without air conditioning? And they said - we just moved slower. So maybe you can move slower? I know I do when it's warm. Also, I forget - do you have a basement? They tend to be cooler than the rest of the house ...

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2015 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Sig was the one referencing Socialism/India vs the greed of Capitalism/U.S..

Basically, if you are so against Capitalism, I'm sure Cuba and Vietnam would love to have you.

The inherent nature of humans is not sharing. We are competitive. I am one of the least competitive people I know and it is STILL in there. I would not want to live where I had to depend on others to that degree.

How did you manage to get so... weird ... in just a few short posts? You're obssesed with sanitation, and you want to hang on to your beliefs (like, the one about humans being competitive) and yet you think that beliefs will get you killed. I have no idea what just happened with you.

*Shrugs, walks away from discussing this with you*

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

WISHIMAY

Monday, July 20, 2015 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

I don't care if they were impoverished as a colony,

In Signy's example, the communists/ socialists (Chinese) have it all over the capitalists (Indians) in terms of education, standards of living, and environment. And hygiene too.

It's probably something one wouldn't want to live through, however.

1.WHO WASN'T??? I'm IRISH. Hubbs is part INDIAN. I got a little Jew in there TOO. And Black people?? We still are not free range pooping. Most have managed at least toilets. Literally HALF of India has NO PLUMBING.

2. I seriously doubt the stats on that. Socialists have a history of lying to make themselves look good, and even then a broken clock can be right twice a day.

3. Never said I wanted to. In fact- hubby wanted to start stockpiling emergency stuff and I said "Don't bother". If the end of the world doesn't have stable air, and water, and anti-biotics and the half dozen meds we actually need to get through a day, we'll be dead within a year anyway. Enjoy Armageddon for me.

WISHIMAY

Monday, July 20, 2015 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... and yet you think that beliefs will get you killed..

Sigh, you people are incapable of reading between the lines...

Praying to any one of their 300 gods that the water don't kill them and being ignorant as to WHY the water kills them has exactly the same result.

DEATH.

And there is a HUGE difference in having religious beliefs in various invisible forces, and having beliefs about the actual observable nature of people and the patterns they behave in.

If you don't get that basic premise here, I don't have anything to discuss with YOU.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 20, 2015 11:45 AM

Wish has built up a soft spot in my heart just adjacent to where my Niece resides....

Right or wrong, I'll kill you or at least bark loud enough until you go away.

Wish is off limits here. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 20, 2015 11:50 AM

So I was watching "Archer" and he was drinking a TON of alcohol and the CIA guy who was going to guide him up a mountain "frowned" against his drinking, as he drank a tub of blue liquor....

He said, "we're going to get up at DAWN"

Archer said, "A.M. Dawn?????"

To which the guy replied, "as opposed to....."

"P.M. Dawn", Archer said, to which Ray sang "Set Adrift on Memory Bliss"....

To which 6StringJack was infinately happy :)

EDITED TO AWESOMELY ADD FOR STUPID PEOPLE:

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2015 12:00 PM

What I get out of your posts, WISH, is that everyone else's beliefs are no good, but YOUR belief are A-OK. So, whatever.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 20, 2015 12:06 PM

It worked great for the joke, and I snorted Miller High Life out of my nose....

But if you really don't know PM Dawn, I'd be doing you a disservice to not show you one of the best love songs ever made. Even if I don't know you or even if I don't like you, you should know this song.

It truly is one of the most beautiful songs ever made.

I hope you enjoy it as much as I have :)

from 6ix2U...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 20, 2015 12:12 PM

I understand that the pickings are pretty slim in these parts these days Sigs... :)

You know I love you Sigs, but don't start shit with Wish.

She's protected, unless she chooses not to be :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Monday, July 20, 2015 7:57 PM

JACK, what's with you and older women? You had an irrational hatred of NIKKI and drove her off the board, as far as I can tell, and now you've got an irrational bond with WISH. In any case, you can't tell me who to discuss things with and what I should/ shouldn't say. And if I should decide to disagree with WISH on any number of things, what are you going to do about it? Have a major snit? Get drunk and THEN have a major snit?

I'm sticking to a topic, and I'm being about as calm as I usually am, while WISH has gone off the deep end on me. It's on her, not me.

But thanks for the videos!

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Monday, July 20, 2015 11:30 PM

"Literally HALF of India has NO PLUMBING."

Probably goes along with no running water or sewers - that infrastructure I mentioned that you have as an advantage the Indo-Indians don't.

BTW - when the NAmer-Indians were living in the forests and on the plains 150 years ago - where do you think they crapped? The nearest Ho-Jo? How about those Irish farmers who counted themselves lucky if they had a stream nearby? Your ancestral Jews who lived in the deserts - what kind of plumbing do you think they had? What did they use for toilet paper? (I'll give you a hint - there's a reason being called 'cack-handed' - another word for left-handed - is such an insult in that part of the world.)

India and Pakistan came into existence as countries in 1947. By comparison, the US came into existence in 1776, almost 150 years earlier, and based on centuries of British tradition of limited democracy. Give India and Pakistan another 150 years and see how they progress by then.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:36 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Have a major snit? Get drunk and THEN have a major snit?

This is what I mean. Observable patterns AND PEOPLE WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

I know this is the internets and you can, but really, SHOULD YOU???

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:39 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Give India and Pakistan another 150 years and see how they progress by then.

According to you all, we don't HAVE 150 years. And even if we do, would you wanna see what happens after a few more decades of kids swimmin' in sewers?

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:51 AM

We don't even have one day. The results of us crapping in our global waters, on our global lands, and in our global atmosphere are already here. We're already bathing in our global Ganges, only we're not doing it for a belief in purification, we're doing it for a belief in profit, propaganda, and inertia.

The differences between you and me are that I'm not mentally disposing of any concern over Indo-Indians because of their place on a historical timeline, I'm not absolving us for our emissions and our failure to do anything about them even when we knew better, and I'm not ready to kiss my ass goodbye - or those of my children or any children anywhere - because I'd prefer to subscribe to the religion of capitalism.

Because, as completely confused and unfocused as your posts were, that's what I got that you're doing.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:53 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I get out of your posts, WISH, is that everyone else's beliefs are no good, but YOUR belief are A-OK.

My beliefs are built on real observations, probability, and extrapolation.

Most people's beliefs are built on superstition, comforting delusions, fear response, and traditions from people than cannot be proven or cross-examined.

So, yeah. I trust me. You can trust whatever. I don't care.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:56 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
and I'm not ready to kiss my ass goodbye - or those of my children or any children anywhere - because I'd prefer to subscribe to the religion of capitalism.

You go ahead and naively fight capitalism, pollution, and human nature.

I'll accept reality.

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:02 AM

You seem to think no good for humanity by humanity has ever been done anywhere. That's not reality.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:07 AM

Not on the scale that would be necessary to fix the cock-ups from the other 8 BILLION people.

It would take concerted effort from every person and considering that 1 out of every 3-5 people (depending on where you are at) has a MENTAL DISORDER and 2.3 million people are in prison (just this country) and there's a ton that just will never care- the likelihood that anything will change in any drastic way is very, very low.

And not in that cutesy "Spock, what are our chances?" way where they pull through anyway if they just believe hard enough, but in actual probability.

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:01 AM

The chances are small - but not zero.

To make it happen we need governments to be behind it. To get governments behind it we need to act with groups of people. And we need to vote with that focus. Neither you nor I are going to change the direction humanity is going. But in concert with others it can happen.

And, uh, aside from being wrong on which system has improved the lives of people the most - you're not just bowing to what you think is a global Ganges fate. You prefer it - I would rather be with prick capitalists ...

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:14 AM

How the hell can you totally misinterpret just about everything I say???

Is it because I'm not a cheerleader for your cause?

Change can happen, and it can NOT.
You know, I'm not against you, I just don't believe in humanity. I'm for the environment but I know a single human life will usually trump anything, including the environment. Trumping 8 billion lives is not going to happen.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:32 PM

WISH, you have a lot of "beliefs" ... about humanity, about capitalism, about socialism, about India, about history. But to you, your beliefs aren't beliefs, they're "the truth". I think you need to get over yourself.

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WISHIMAY

Wednesday, July 22, 2015 1:30 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think you need to get over yourself.

That make you feel better?

Yanno, everyone here has thought that about everyone else at some point. Don't make you a genius for sayin' it.

This is just a discussion board, you can believe what someone says or not.

The fact that what I believe about reality makes people angry means that I'm probably closer than you care to admit. You and kiki are optimists and I'm sure that makes you more fun to be around than me, but it also makes you less likely to be realistic.

I'll take realism over sugar-coated optimism any day.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 22, 2015 7:16 PM

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I think you need to get over yourself. -SIGNY

That make you feel better?
Yanno, everyone here has thought that about everyone else at some point. Don't make you a genius for sayin' it.
This is just a discussion board, you can believe what someone says or not.
The fact that what I believe about reality makes people angry means that I'm probably closer than you care to admit. You and kiki are optimists and I'm sure that makes you more fun to be around than me, but it also makes you less likely to be realistic.
I'll take realism over sugar-coated optimism any day.

What a load of tripe.

You've unloaded in many threads and posts how mortally "stupid" people are, with their ignorance and their beliefs, and you're not a whit different. Your "beliefs" ... about people, about healthcare, about economies, about societies ... And all of your "beliefs": How're they working for ya? Have they gotten you ahead? Materially improved anything for you or your family or ... anyone? Your belief in capitalism: how's that working out for your healthcare?

Yeah, we know: You've got a grip on sanitation. Good for you.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, July 22, 2015 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

What a load of tripe.
How're they working for ya? Have they gotten you ahead? Your belief in capitalism: how's that working out for your healthcare?

Yeah, we know: You've got a grip on sanitation. Good for you.

Why is getting ahead so important? Can't take it with you. Never expected to get rich, but even in the state I'm in... we get by. You CAN do that if you work at it. Our state told y'all to go shove it, so hopefully hubbs should have a coal job for long enough to pay the house off, and that's all I care about. Me and the other 8 billion people- that's about all we care about. GETTING BY. And I just made my point again!

As for healthcare, when my snot turned green and my face started to explode yesterday, I went to the doc and got some anti-biotics, so I'm good for today. Thanks for askin'!

Now I'm gonna go pee, and I'm gonna relish the flushin' just a bit more. Might remind my kid how lucky she isn't gonna haveta rustle through our neighbors trash for dinner. And to always have STANDARDS- like not wiping your ass with your HAND.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:47 AM

Y'all might want to know I stopped using round-up (mostly because it's expensive to do a 150 ft driveway several times a year, so I just mow it) and now all the neighbors are mad. There's your environmental concern from my state.

1KIKI

Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:44 PM

You and kiki are optimists and I'm sure that makes you more fun to be around than me, but it also makes you less likely to be realistic.

I'm not optimistic. I don't have the energy for it. However, I have concern for the people who'll still be here after I'm gone. The US will no longer have superior economic power - and unrivaled access to resources. Nope, economically, it'll be in the scrum. And speaking of resources, thanks to global warming, overpopulation, and the capitalist economic dependence on profligate purchasing, and strip-mining the air, land and water of every bit of value it has, resources will be far more limited and have a greater demands put on them.

So, you think it's possible to get by now. What do you think the future holds for your daughter if we keep on doing what we're doing now? What will her world be like? What will 'getting by' look like?

Anyway, I won't be around to see it, lucky me. But you will, and your daughter will. So I think it would behoove you to do some realistic thinking about the future, and see if you can spare the small amount of effort it takes to send off an email petition as part of a petition drive (all you really have to do is click a link), or vote for a good candidate (especially if the outcome is a given), or send $5 a year to, say, The Nature Conservancy. All of these are well within your scope.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Friday, July 24, 2015 8:34 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Anyway, I won't be around to see it, lucky me. But you will, and your daughter will. So I think it would behoove you to do some realistic thinking about the future, and see if you can spare the small amount of effort it takes to send off an email petition as part of a petition drive (all you really have to do is click a link), or vote for a good candidate (especially if the outcome is a given), or send $5 a year to, say, The Nature Conservancy. All of these are well within your scope.

DO you even remotely realize how manipulative that post was???

I mean, you sound like a Baptist Preacher.

WHOA to you and yours for ye shall surely burn in the hell and wasteland of the eternal money grubbers and planet rapists, but ye can repent if you but send $5 paltry dollars to people who really can't do anything to stop the onslaught of greedy butchers in that far-away land...

My kid lives in the Midwest, and since everything takes like another twenty or thirty years to get here, SHE WILL GET BY JUST FINE. She is an only child, so she gets it all. And we're past that annoying ice cap melt line, so YAY.

Like I've said many times- voting doesn't do anything but line someone else's pocket till it's fluffy, and donating money just insures you line someone else's pocket until it's fluffy, and signing an e-mail petition??? I haven't ever even done that for Firefly. I've voted lots because we actually have won those, but I've never signed my name to a thing.

They are all temporary, ineffective, and insufficient. You wanna "keep up the good fight" you do that. I think I'll wait for that sixth extinction event to happen and fix it all. And it WILL happen.

1KIKI

Friday, July 24, 2015 12:53 PM

I didn't realize pointing out facts was manipulative. My bad. I'll skip the facts next time and go straight to my assumptions, like you do. That way, I'll be able to ignore drought, the loss of ocean-based habitat, species and food, the fall of the petrodollar and the impoverishment of the US population, and all the other emerging threats, and say everyone will be ... just fine. And at my decree - voilà - every problem, instantly solved.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 24, 2015 9:48 PM

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Why is getting ahead so important?

Isn't that the capitalist mantra? Isn't that what you believe in?

"Greed is good"?
"The person who dies with the most toys wins"?

You claim to prefer capitalism, but then you don't engage in it. I think you're confused about capitalism is.

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Our state told y'all to go shove it, so hopefully hubbs should have a coal job for long enough to pay the house off, and that's all I care about. Me and the other 8 billion people- that's about all we care about. GETTING BY. And I just made my point again!

What point is that? That you prefer to be at the bottom of the heap? (Oh, I forgot: You have indoor plumbing! So you're not QUITE at the bottom.) That you feel defensive about enabling a system that's ultimately self-destructive? That you're OK with having no authority over how society runs, and that you like leaving all the big decisions to the 500 richest people who own 50% of the world's assets?

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Anyway, I won't be around to see it, lucky me. But you will, and your daughter will. So I think it would behoove you to do some realistic thinking about the future, and see if you can spare the small amount of effort it takes to send off an email petition as part of a petition drive (all you really have to do is click a link), or vote for a good candidate (especially if the outcome is a given), or send $5 a year to, say, The Nature Conservancy. All of these are well within your scope.- KIKI

DO you even remotely realize how manipulative that post was???

How is that manipulative? Your daughter will experience more of the future than you will. Unless she dies before you, of course. That's a fact.

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I mean, you sound like a Baptist Preacher.
WHOA to you ....

It's "WOE to you" [sadness,misery, affliction] not "WHOA to you" [opposite of "giddyup"]. I hate to be a spelling Nazi, but occasionally it's fun. Unless you really meant "HALT", in which case- my bad

Where were we? Oh yes ..

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WOE to and yours for ye shall surely burn in the hell and wasteland of the eternal money grubbers and planet rapists, but ye can repent if you but send $5 paltry dollars to people who really can't do anything to stop the onslaught of greedy butchers in that far-away land...

You claim to be a realist, and yet you refuse to engage in realistic thinking. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do some simple back-of-the envelope math and project what things will be like 20 years from now: more people, killer weather, less water, and fewer species/resources.

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My kid lives in the Midwest, and since everything takes like another twenty or thirty years to get here, SHE WILL GET BY JUST FINE. She is an only child, so she gets it all. And we're past that annoying ice cap melt line, so YAY.

Is this what you TRULY believe?

Wow, then you're telling yourself a whopper! Do you really think that being "in the midwest" in going to isolate her from killer heat, killer drought, killer storms, and general societal breakdown? Do you really think that when economies and societies are under severe stress, that money or inheritance (a house) will mean anything? Heck, why do you think so many people are drinking and drugging their lives away now? Society is ALREADY breaking down. And it's all around you. And if the stats about meth and oxycontin in the midwest can be believed there's no protection by being "in the midwest".

Your daughter, no matter how smart and capable, will never be able to survive on her own if society collapses. I had this discussion with BYTE many years ago. Yeah, she might be able to scratch up enough food on her own to support herself for a few years, but over the long haul she'll need to be able to make things like nails, axes, hoes, glass, and cloth. Only a fairly large group - 100 people or so - of lik

WISHIMAY

Saturday, July 25, 2015 9:22 AM

You must spend hours [.cuddling up next to the bracket button.]

I get that it does make you feel better to try and nick pick every little point. You probably need to understand that every time I see that all I can think is O...C...D.

I dare you, find ONE major point that is the most important of all those things to you and argue it in paragraph form.

'Cause half of those are just nonsense babble, or unimportant details, or desperate attempts to cross-connect things I've said so you can prove me wrong in your own head. I don't even know where to start... It's like you've perfected the whole "baffle them with bullshit" routine.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, July 25, 2015 9:38 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I didn't realize pointing out facts was manipulative. My bad. I'll skip the facts next time and go straight to my assumptions, like you do.

That way, I'll be able to ignore drought, the loss of ocean-based habitat, species and food, the fall of the petrodollar and the impoverishment of the US population, and all the other emerging threats, and say everyone will be ... just fine.

AT least you would have an assumption to start from instead of standing on HOPE. Hope is just delusion wrapped in a pretty dress.

Lots of problems on this planet. When you come up with a plan to FIX any one of them, instead of just applying yet another dirty bandage...You let me know.

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 25, 2015 9:44 AM

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'Cause half of those are just nonsense babble, or unimportant details

Hey, I'm just responding to the nonsense babble and unimportant details that YOU brought up! In a thread about global warming, you managed to bring up sanitation, your horrible neighbors, and your daughter's (imaginary) prospects for surviving an apocalypse, because your live "in the midwest" which is on (another imaginary) timeline from everyone else.

HAHAHAAHAHA!

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, July 25, 2015 10:22 AM

OK, since you can't do it I will pick one you have repeated.

My kid and the apocalypse.

I believe something is going to happen, on a global scale within -let's say- 200 years.

I do not know what, and I do not know when, and neither does anyone else.

))))))My point was that in the event of a economic downturn, people in the Midwest are far more able to cope than people in cities, just due to availability of resources. WE ARE SURROUNDED BY FOOD, GENIUS!!!!! If that is the determining factor, and we only have the one mouth to sustain, sustain she will. If our health be the determining factor, then we die. Oh well...

You are trying to make global warming a personalized thing by attempting to play with my emotions- thus the manipulation part.

I realize I can only do what I can do, and no action I take is going to stop a comet from wiping out all life on Earth, from melting polar ice caps, from succumbing to a plague that wipes out all life. If it comes, it comes. I will not waste my life in worry about things I cannot change. .

1KIKI

Saturday, July 25, 2015 10:39 AM

AT least you would have an assumption to start from instead of standing on HOPE. Hope is just delusion wrapped in a pretty dress.

And an assumption isn't equally a delusion - especially when it refuses to yield to facts?

You're trapped in your stalled out car on the train tracks. Your seat belt is jammed and the train is traveling toward you. You still have some time. Do you
1) dial 911, honk your horn and turn on your brights, keep trying to release the belt and keep trying to wiggle your way out of it, because there is some chance you'll be able to stay alive
2) say there is no train and refuse to look out the window
3) admit there is a train but conclude you'll be OK

Lots of problems on this planet.

And yet, the one to focus on would probably be the fatal one.

When you come up with a plan to FIX any one of them, instead of just applying yet another dirty bandage...You let me know.

I already did.

YOU start with the idea nothing will work. Direct action, even by millions of people - won't work. Political pressure - won't work. Democracy - won't work.

How do you know?

Let's look at democracy. For the most part, people have been voting for the same kinds of people with the same kinds of results. Has the alternative even been tested? When was the last time a DEMONSTRABLY populist party - that stands for the common person instead of corporate profit and power - been in government? Decades? A hundred years? Never? So, by what magic divination do you know ahead of time nothing will get better if such a party was to gain the vote?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SECOND

Saturday, July 25, 2015 5:54 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

I will not waste my life in worry about things I cannot change.

One person's vote won't change the USA, but one percent of all voters can because the weak link or maybe the hinge or the pivot point for governance is at the primary election where only a small percent of registered voters (10%, 15%) pick the candidates for all political offices.

This weakness in US democracy has been exploited since the days of Thomas Jefferson by the Top One Percent, the people with the most money in the USA. Very clever of them.

Not so clever, the Bottom 90 Percent can't understand why the Top One Percent control the USA. It is because the Bottom does not have the commonsense to vote in the primary elections.

Here come the excuses. There are always naysayers in the Bottom saying “My one vote does not count” and “I've got no time for politics”. The Top One Percent love you for saying that and don't even need to thank naysayers for their unpaid services. Just not voting in primaries serves well the Top 1%.

The good news is that we may not be doomed to spend the rest of our lives thinking of disgusting things to which to compare the American political process. This week for the first time, 12 major U.S. public interest organizations jointly released a campaign finance reform agenda. Simply creating a list of common demands is the baby step part of politics, there’s a reason parents get excited when their children first stand up and walk. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/24/campaign-finance-reform-
world-gets-page-fight-big-money-empower-people/

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:52 PM

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OK, since you can't do it I will pick one you have repeated.
My kid and the apocalypse.
I believe something is going to happen, on a global scale within -let's say- 200 years.

Well, first of all, you were convinced not three posts ago that a 20-30 year delay would be meaningful. Now you say it's 200 years. I think you believe whatever it is that gets you thru the day.

And, about those "beliefs"!
I started out my comments with the observation:

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WISH, you have a lot of "beliefs" ... about humanity, about capitalism, about socialism, about India, about history. But to you, your beliefs aren't beliefs, they're "the truth".

So thank you for demonstrating that I was correct, because you don't have knowledge, you have "beliefs". And very naive ones at that! Ones that give you "hope"!

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I do not know what, and I do not know when, and neither does anyone else.

Do I "know" that the sun will come up tomorrow? Well, not with 100.000000% certainty. A huge meteor may smack into the earth and knock it off its orbit, or the sun may go supernova. Both unlikely, but not impossible.

But I did invite you to do some back-of-the-envelope calculations, so what do those those calculations tell you about this?

WORLD POPULATION

HUMAN POPULATION AND SPECIES EXTINCTIONS

GLOBAL WARMING

What do these tell you about life in 20-30 years, and 200 years from now?

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My point was that in the event of a economic downturn, people in the Midwest are far more able to cope than people in cities, just due to availability of resources. WE ARE SURROUNDED BY FOOD, GENIUS!!!!! If that is the determining factor

First: Big if. Maybe the determining factor is weather. Maybe you suffer from such a serious drought that nobody can grow anything ...
Second: Neither your nor your family are farmers. As far as I cant ell, you don't even garden. You may be surrounded by food (that's an "if") but it's not yours. And the farmers: they're going to give you food just because of your winning personality?
Third: How do you know that you won't be in the path of an exodus from the cities?

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we only have the one mouth to sustain, sustain she will.

Your mixed pronouns indicate that you (plural) will starve to sustain one. Correct?

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You are trying to make global warming a personalized thing by attempting to play with my emotions- thus the manipulation part.

Look, if I told someone here is the LA area that they better get some earthquake supplies together so their family will survive "the big one", is that being manipulative, or just passing on some common sense?

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I realize I can only do what I can do ...

Yes, you can do only what you can do. So do what you can. Both KIKI and SECOND had good points to make on this.

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... and no action I take is going to stop a comet from wiping out all life on Earth, from melting polar ice caps, from succumbing to a plague that wipes out all life.

Oh, you mean no action BY YOURSELF? You're right - you're not superwoman. Nobody expects you to solve the world's problem by yourself. Nobody expects your hubby to give up his coal job. Because of my blood sugar, I don't expect that I'll give up eating meat.

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If it comes, it comes. I will not waste my life in worry about things I cannot change.

And neither do I. Am I prepared for a comet strike? No. Am I prepared for an earthquake? Yes. Do I do something about global warming? Yes. And the first thing that I do is-

I don't engage in magical thinking.

I don't i

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 26, 2015 12:02 AM

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You must spend hours [.cuddling up next to the bracket button.]

I get that it does make you feel better to try and nick pick every little point. You probably need to understand that every time I see that all I can think is O...C...D.

I dare you, find ONE major point that is the most important of all those things to you and argue it in paragraph form.

'Cause half of those are just nonsense babble, or unimportant details, or desperate attempts to cross-connect things I've said so you can prove me wrong in your own head. I don't even know where to start... It's like you've perfected the whole "baffle them with bullshit" routine.

Somebody on the internet is wrong. About something. Or so she thinks.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, July 26, 2015 12:06 AM

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I will not waste my life in worry about things I cannot change.
One person's vote won't change the USA, but one percent of all voters can because the weak link or maybe the hinge or the pivot point for governance is at the primary election where only a small percent of registered voters (10%, 15%) pick the candidates for all political offices.

This weakness in US democracy has been exploited since the days of Thomas Jefferson by the Top One Percent, the people with the most money in the USA. Very clever of them.

Not so clever, the Bottom 90 Percent can't understand why the Top One Percent control the USA. It is because the Bottom does not have the commonsense to vote in the primary elections.

Here come the excuses. There are always naysayers in the Bottom saying “My one vote does not count” and “I've got no time for politics”. The Top One Percent love you for saying that and don't even need to thank naysayers for their unpaid services. Just not voting in primaries serves well the Top 1%.

My excuse is more better.
My state does not allow voters to select the best candidate in any partisan Primary. Only in General Elections, when the Libtards stuff the ballot boxes.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, July 26, 2015 8:21 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Somebody on the internet is wrong. About something. Or so she thinks.

And somebody else likes to jump on bandwagons at the last second of a conversation because it's easier then having a conversation.

P.s. I've been gone all day, it's 9:30 and I'm to tired to deal with a group of mindless parrots. Another day maybe...

1KIKI

Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:08 PM

Another day maybe...

See you later, then.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:44 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Somebody on the internet is wrong. About something. Or so she thinks.

And somebody else likes to jump on bandwagons at the last second of a conversation because it's easier then having a conversation.

P.s. I've been gone all day, it's 9:30 and I'm to tired to deal with a group of mindless parrots. Another day maybe...

You were tired.
The "she" I was referring to was not you. She was the person you were referring to in your appropriate post. With OCD.

JAYNEZTOWN

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