Have Western Neo-Feminists now destoryed 'The West'?

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JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, January 11, 2016 10:04 PM (P)

Why do feminists support invader islamics...Nu-Democrats and radical tranny sex politics. Open Border Feminist Insanity....Red Pill & Mens Rights vs US family court system and MGTOW

Red Pill, US Western Demographics plus Birth Rates, Mens Rights, 4th Wave Feminism, islamics turning women into baby machines, US family court system and MGTOW

Why does the Western man refuse marriage with the American woman, men won't marry the USA's woman anymore?

I support feminism but I wonder if its gone too far
Gays if the have not broken Laws and done something illegal and got jailed for crimes then Gays and Lesbians should have equal rights and if a woman wants to be with a woman or a man wants to be with a man that's really none of our business...but where does 4th Wave Feminism go
I do wonder sometimes if the destruction of the old American nuclear family has gone too far?

Has feminism broke the US family? Seems maybe some relationships have got more shallow or people have become more hollow, No Debate together, No Interests, Self Centered. The young generation are becoming more empty Miley Cyrus tastes in music, shopping for usless hangbags and fashion items, I-phone hedonistic stoner culture....is it any wonder its all failing...and the men are leaving the family game....they want to sit at home on their own buy their own car, drink their beer, play their Xbox and Playstation, watch the Baseball and Basketball until these men go old
Pastors, Preachers, Marraige Registry offices all report record low levels of Marraige and the ones who do Marry are getting older and older...Men seem to be opting out of the whole tie-the-knot and fatherhood thing, they are portrayed news and in movies and shown in tv sitcoms as a kind of a joke, also in break ups mostly Courts will favor the woman and the Man will lose A LOT OF INCOME...many who don't pay supprot go to jail, for example over 90% of those punished, sent to jail for not paying child support are men. The Consequences of the current American society is Men are not Marrying the American Woman.

I have noticed this trend a lot over the years, its growing...Westerners, American men, many who still want to marry they now marry a girl from India, Russia, Cambodia, fly over and get a bride from China, Bolivia, Peru....yet they avoid the American woman today?

Did US feminist go too far?
It's like the Man has been slowly dumped for...? ...more stronger femimism....a welfare state?...Metro-Sexuals?...to give women the same stresses and pains of male work and leaving raising kids as an inconvenience...to give women the option to marry other women and go to the sperm bank for the lesbain raised kid?...whatever the reasons its many... modern culture is changing...the traditional 'Man' role in the USA has been dying a while now

I have heard all kinds of opinions from many parts of this world, from black, white, yellow, brown on the whole marraige thing...why the Men of the United States are Giving Up On Marriage...So many people have told me how Men are Fed up with American Women or Western Woman and Why Men Don't Want to Marry the American Woman Anymore. I have seen writing and heard talk from political people, from wealthy people, from less wealthy, from atheists, from religious people

Anyways I'm not sure of the reason or reasons but I think its true the Western Men are now Avoiding Marriage with the American Woman

some vids on it

trends for American women are bad in the US white, latino, asian community and maybe even worse in the black community....for whatever reason
A satisfied, content and happiness gender gap has also emerged across all enthic grou

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:20 AM (P)

Lot of thoughts on the topic, but not much time.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:30 AM (P)

JZ

Too many videos. Maybe you can summarize each one below.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:46 AM (P)

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

Modern feminism seems a little lost now.

You have a REDICULOUSLY, hilariously one sided perspective. Not gettin' any?

P.s. Most....wait....ALL of the women I know in person over forty never want to marry again. After getting stuck with scrubs that are drunken narcissists, cheaters, abusive dicks that are INCAPABLE of communicating, I don't blame them.

Should my own dearest depart, I won't ever re-marry. No more slaving to make meals that are unappreciated or watch macho crap movies or clean pee dribble off a toilet ever again. My day will be my own.

Oh, and I kill my own spiders and fix my own appliances and plumbing, thanks. Thanks to sperm banks you have made YOURSELVES TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

HERE'S TO THE RISE OF THE DAY OF WOMANKIND

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:46 AM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Lot of thoughts on the topic, but not much time.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

LOL great, I thought people were not going to touch this one with a 10 foot pole

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

P.s. Most....wait....ALL of the women I know in person over forty never want to marry again. After getting stuck with scrubs that are drunken narcissists, cheaters, abusive dicks that are INCAPABLE of communicating, I don't blame them.

Cool, that's great I support women and I don't think any of them should have to endure an abusive relationship

You Wishimay, You're the one who opened up that San Bernardino thread aren't you? Before any facts presented themselves you immediately screamed out 'gun control' and blamed the white male? or was American male or wast it that you blamed all the male human species for the all violence...I remember you being way-off before the factual data started coming through with police bulletins
anyways you were proven wrong when news broke, one of the killers turned out to be a female foreign muslim....a muslim Woman
how did it feel to be proven wrong?

were you shocked? did you get angry that you could not blame all the male species? were you disapointed you could not blame all American men with guns for San Bernardino

I remember you backtracking a lot when a woman was involved, and she had an IED and pipebomb factory in her house

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Should my own dearest depart, I won't ever re-marry. No more slaving to make meals that are unappreciated or watch macho crap movies or clean pee dribble off a toilet ever again. My day will be my own.

So you would like the marraige to end? Or you are waiting for him to die?
Anyway you sound kinda miserable, maybe you should have seperated or got divorced or something or never got married...I don't know I'm not a marraige guidance person
If what you say us true scrubs, macho movies, peeing, unappreciated...he sounds like a bit of a schmuck or lazy bum
I'm wondering what's stopping you from grabbing one of your girlfriends and leaving, having that Thelma & Louise moment so to speak, heading off into the sunset and having that sisters thing or female "bromance"

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

HERE'S TO THE RISE OF THE DAY OF WOMANKIND

You're more or less there, one of richest in America is a woman on tv Oprah...sure there are a few more steps in that ladder to climb...woman president, maternity leave, medical service, pay at work....a few more steps but you are almost there, even if womankind runs up those last fedw steps...life is only going to get a little better...there is no magic land with honey and gold and unicorns....sadly most problems humans face today you will still face as a 'liberated' woman, it will get a little better but it won't get a whole lot better than this

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
JZ

Too many videos. Maybe you can summarize each one below.

Might sum them up later, they talk about much of what is said in this thread.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:33 AM (P)

Too much blah blah blah.

I sum up.

YES. I BLAME MEN.

Men are in prison 10 times more than women. There's an assault on a women by a man every NINE FUCKING SECONDS. I'm sorry if you can't understand the implications of that. How does it feel to be oblivious?

Women Jihadists ARE RARE. It's the exception that proves THE RULE EXISTING IN THE FIRST PLACE. He went over there to find an accomplice and bring her HERE. I doubt she would have been able to complete it without his green card, so YEP, he's still to blame.

Every relationship has issues, I'm am as happy as anyone else. I won't have any more children, so there is no need to be in a relationship past this one. At least I'm IN a relationship, not shopping for feral hoes in a third world country who probably wouldn't know what to do with a toilet...

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:49 AM (P)

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

I sum up.

YES. I BLAME MEN.

Yes I'm sure the human male species does terrible things, it is the more agressive, more violent
but do you think those stats are accurate do you think those numbers are true and worldwide?

People Watch & Laugh When Woman Is Seen Beating Up Man

what if the statistics for domenstic violence were something like 7% versus 4% and social attitudes to the violence of the sex were different

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

Women Jihadists ARE RARE. It's the exception that proves THE RULE EXISTING IN THE FIRST PLACE. He went over there to find an accomplice and bring her HERE. I doubt she would have been able to complete it without his green card, so YEP, he's still to blame.

wow, so here you find a way to Defend a female mass murdering terrorist...AGAIN!?
and BLAME ALL MEN again?

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
At least I'm IN a relationship, not shopping for feral hoes in a third world country who probably wouldn't know what to do with a toilet...

wow! and I thought I exploded online
I think you might be surprised to find some of these 'foreign' women may even be civilsed, might even be nice, it might even be possible for you to have a conversation with them...but hey maybe I'm being to judgemental on your potential for Open-mindedness

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:18 AM (P)

You are the very definition of troll-bait.

Are you really that bored??? Or that narcissistic?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/intern
et-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 5:06 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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I was hoping for a serious discussion

here are some more links to try get the thread back on topic
the links are from all kinds of sites, left, right, independent, maybe extreme tinfol conspiracy....
...some comments are sad, some bitter and angry, some of what is wrote clever and thoughtful...all kinds of ideas
hopefully it will get the topic moving again

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Young men giving up on marriage: ‘Women aren’t women anymore’
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/young-men-giving-up-on-marriage-wome
n-arent-women-anymore
Fewer young men in the US want to get married than ever, while the desire for marriage is rising among young women, according to the Pew Research Center.
Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.
Pew’s findings have caught the attention of one US writer who maintains that feminism, deeply entrenched in every segment of the culture, has created an environment in which young men find it more beneficial to simply opt out of couple-dom entirely.

5 Reasons Why Some Men Avoid Marriage
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/5-reasons-why-some-men-avoi
d-marriage-kcon/
Ani Alexander

alex jones site thread
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=255335.0
And here an anti-feminist blogger and writer explains: (....posted youtube link)
Naturally I disagree with the notion that men should avoid marriage -- and therefore bringing children into the world. However, this woman hits the nail on the head in regards to why so many males feel that marriage and family are both to be avoided.

Why Young Men Are Avoiding Marriage
- See more at: http://www.henrymakow.com/why_young_men_are_avoiding_mar.html
A report from the chaotic post-feminist dating scene, where only the strong survive
Here's Jeff from Middleburg, Florida: "I am not going to hitch my wagon to a woman . . . who is more into her abs, thighs, triceps, and plastic surgery. A woman who seems to have forgotten that she did graduate high school and that it's time to act accordingly." Jeff, meet another of my respondents, Alex: "Maybe we turn to video games not because we are trying to run away from the responsibilities of a 'grown-up life' but because they are a better companion than some disease-ridden bar tramp who is only after money and a free ride." Care for one more? This is from Dean in California: "Men are finally waking up to the ever-present fact that traditional marriage, or a committed relationship, with its accompanying socially imposed requirements of being wallets with legs for women, is an empty and meaningless drudgery." You can find the same themes posted throughout websites like AmericanWomenSuck, NoMarriage, MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way), and Eternal Bachelor ("Give modern women the husband they deserve. None").The reason for all this anger, I submit, is that the dating and mating scene is in chaos. SYMs of the postfeminist era are moving around in a Babel of miscues, cross-purposes, and half-conscious, contradictory female expectations that are alternately proudly egalitarian and coyly traditional. And because middle-class men and women are putting off marriage well into their twenties and thirties as they pursue Ph.D.s, J.D.s, or their first $50,000 salaries, the opportunities for heartbreak and humiliation are legion. Under these harsh conditions, young men are looking for a new framework for understanding what (or, as they might put it, WTF) women want. So far, their answer is unlikely to satisfy anyone--either women or, in the long run, themselves.

Why Men Do Not Want to Marry
http://www.thefemininewoman.com/2010/01/why-men-do-not-want-to-marry/
Renee Wade

What’s in it for Me: Black Men Avoid Marriage Longer than Every Other Race
http://www.

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:51 PM (P)

Serious discussion on the American people, talk on male and female humans in America if possible....and why the America man or Western men of today are avoiding marraige to the American woman

more quotes to get it moving again

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http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/why-men-arent-getting-married-anymor
e-2/
According to The Pew Research Center, the data from 2012 illustrates a steady increase in the percentages of American men and women who are 25 years and older who have never been married. The same research shows that men are more likely than women to have never made it down the aisle (23% vs. 17%). The facts are clear that fewer people are getting married, the question as to why men are choosing not to in large numbers, remains a debate.
Not wanting to tie the knot is not a concept limited within U.S. borders.
According to the Office for National Statistics, marriage in Britain is at its lowest level since 1895. In 2011, there were just 286,634 ceremonies—a 41 per cent fall from 1972, when 480,285 couples were wed. Although not getting married has been a progression over the years, one of the most convincing reasons for men, specifically, is simply because they don’t need to.
Aside from the obvious economic inconveniences that are involved with an actual wedding, a recent piece titled “Why men won’t marry you“, by Suzanne Venker goes right for the jugular when she argues that it’s actually the woman’s fault that this is happening. No matter how difficult it is to hear it, there is a logic to what she is arguing, starting with the reality that men ca
Read more: http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/why-men-arent-getting-married-anymor
e-2/

How feminist will counter the problem of men avoiding marriage in America?
https://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130910065022AAVvlFY
The thing about feminists is that they are pretty much universally socialist, and they will throw women under the bus quite gladly if they disagree with socialism (i.e. if they are libertarian). For all their "independence" they are still dependent on men because you can't be a single mother and work a full time job and do everything else too. It takes a village. It used to be that women were directly dependent on men. They raised the kids, the man earned the money to feed them. Now they don't want a man, but they still need his money. Which they now get indirectly by force from the state either through grossly unfair child custody laws or more commonly through taxation.
I'm a single man, I don't have any kids, I don't want any either, but my taxes are probably going to subsidise a single mother. I am in effect doing the job of her husband. She is benefiting from my labour, and getting my money from me by force rather than me voluntarily giving it to her if she was my wife and child.
Basically, women no longer need men's cooperation in order to get our provision. So they'll "counter" the problem by upping taxes and spending on single mothers. But since men are now earning less, after all why kill yourself if you're only working to feed one mouth not 5, this isn't a viable long term solution. Even if it wasn't totally hypocritical.

WOMEN STILL WANT MARRIAGE – MEN, NOT SO MUCH!
http://angrywhitedude.com/2012/11/women-still-want-marriage-men-not-so
-much/
As the author of three books on the American family and its intersection with pop culture, I’ve spent thirteen years examining social agendas as they pertain to sex, parenting, and gender roles. During this time, I’ve spoken with hundreds, if not thousands, of men and women. And in doing so, I’ve accidentally stumbled upon a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same.
Women aren’t women anymore.

Why Young Men Are Avoiding Marriage
http://happybachelorsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1703
You guys that whine about women hear this? You're a "breeding experiment run by women." This is truly how they think

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:40 PM (P)

Alternatively, why would anyone get married in today's day and age? You get some tax and medical benefits, that's about it. Everything else you can get with cohabitation and custody agreements.

I don't think it has anything to do with feminism, rather I think the world is more cynical and there's no point in tying yourself down. I think though that maybe there's a reaction against feminism that wants to turn everything into a gender war, and where that happens both sides are a pain in the ass, or even terrifying in their own way.

As for the "young generation," those sentiments have been expressed by every older generation towards every younger generation. I give each instance the same amount of credit and consideration for being an accurate observation - none whatsoever.

DEVERSE

Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:08 PM (P)

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Alternatively, why would anyone get married in today's day and age? You get some tax and medical benefits, that's about it. Everything else you can get with cohabitation and custody agreements.

I don't think it has anything to do with feminism, rather I think the world is more cynical and there's no point in tying yourself down. I think though that maybe there's a reaction against feminism that wants to turn everything into a gender war, and where that happens both sides are a pain in the ass, or even terrifying in their own way.

As for the "young generation," those sentiments have been expressed by every older generation towards every younger generation. I give each instance the same amount of credit and consideration for being an accurate observation - none whatsoever.

I pretty much agree with you BYTEMITE. People living together is on the rise and it has to do with any number of reasons besides “feminism”. It likely has more to do with people looking for a “partner” and a relationship built on honesty, trust and respect rather than relying on just an emotional attachment (ie: love) and the rejection of traditional roles married people are supposed to have.
Given the amount of debt, poor career prospects and general instability in society, younger people are not as likely to establish the solid foundation (stability in finances and career) necessary in order to marry as in the past. If a person’s concern is with everything else other than building a relationship with a partner, then it’s not going to go well.

Simply, men (real men that is) want a partner to share a life with, not just a wife (read surrogate mommy). Some male whining about feminism or that “woman aren’t women any more” as a reason to not get married, my advice is go home to live with your mommy so you have protection from the big, bad feminists and all the other bad things that life holds.

Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:22 AM (P)

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:

Some male whining about feminism or that “woman aren’t women any more” as a reason to not get married, my advice is go home to live with your mommy so you have protection from the big, bad feminists and all the other bad things that life holds.

DING DING DING DING

Succinct as always, D.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:59 PM (P)

You will find plenty of Black Men to marry worthless White Women in USA...

For the rest of us, there's the promise of CS&N's Southern Cross...

Seriously Sigs...

F.U.C.K. American Women...

They knew that in the 70's, well before I was born.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:14 PM (P)

All that I have left to say on this topic of discussion is why does some Girl Group from Seoul make a better argument for a Female President than any woman in America could in the decades after Woman's Suffrage in America?

It's because of the women in America who aren't fat and slothful and stupid in America, most of them are just young and soon will be. Look at celebrities that women have looked up to in the last 20 years....

I'm only 36, and 9 out of 10 women I found irresistible in High School will be goddamned hogs at the trough at my 20 year reunion in 2 years.

I feel bad a lot of the time since I lost a lot of my friends and we don't hang out anymore after they got married and especially after they had kids, but then I think about how awesome it is not to have all that responsibility while married to Shamu and I'm thankful for the trade off.

I still hung out with them, btw, until their wives considered me a bad influence and cunt me off.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:14 PM (P)

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Or are you just here to troll?

JT - no, not trolling or trying to be a smart aleck. I was looking for something to visually illustrate how Internet trends work. I noticed a number of your links have exact matching phrases. This happens when people who get most of their info from the 'Net, take info from one source and reapply it to their own. Multiple that by the 1,000s of bloggers and forum posters and you get a similar pattern to the bird flocks. People who never thought of "men won't marry American women" are now following that concept, looking for it, posting on it, passing it on and getting more to follow. Yes, that's viral Holmes. I thought the birds were a great illustration.
So in other words, I think the premise is just cut-n-paste and any interest is made up of catchy phrasing and pretty colors. Any attention is largely an overreaction caused by the Internet Ripple Effect and our herd mentality.

JAYNZTOWN trying to understand what G is saying.

THGRRI

Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:19 PM (P)

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Alternatively, why would anyone get married in today's day and age? You get some tax and medical benefits, that's about it. Everything else you can get with cohabitation and custody agreements.

I don't think it has anything to do with feminism, rather I think the world is more cynical and there's no point in tying yourself down. I think though that maybe there's a reaction against feminism that wants to turn everything into a gender war, and where that happens both sides are a pain in the ass, or even terrifying in their own way.

As for the "young generation," those sentiments have been expressed by every older generation towards every younger generation. I give each instance the same amount of credit and consideration for being an accurate observation - none whatsoever.

Good point BYTEMITE. I would also mention the chauvinism being displayed here that I have not seen others pick up on. Have you noticed it is JAYNZTOWN's premise from what he posts that men are refusing to many American women and not the other way around. Todays women are no longer chained to the yokes that suppressed their grandmothers nor dependent on men as in the past.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:42 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I still hung out with them, btw, until their wives considered me a bad influence and cunt me off.

6ix, your attitude towards women is probably the most shallow I've come across. I don't blame them.

When my dad had cancer they put him on Estrogen to slow the tumor growth.
He gained 40 pounds in six months. He absolutely said that it was the estrogen.

That's all I'll say. I know you are jaded and hurt at being rejected and have developed this position as a defense mechanism. You will be dating your left palm the rest of your life because of it. What good is owning a house if you never have anyone to share it with??

BTW, How's the job thing coming?

SIGNYM

Friday, January 15, 2016 11:44 PM (P)

Wow, a lot has happened since I last visited this thread! Going back to JAYNZE'S original post...

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I support feminism but I wonder if its gone too far

First, define feminism. Then we can decide if it's gone "too far". This isn't just a reflexive
rhetorical question, it's very pointed, and I'll get back to that in a minute.

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Gays should have equal rights and if a woman wants to be with a woman or a man wants to be with a man that's really none of our business...but I do wonder sometimes if the destruction of the old American nuclear family has gone too far?

Well, that's a more specific question. The American nuclear family was defined by economic relationships: DAD, the breadwinner, MOM and children, scurrying around to MAKE DAD HAPPY.

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Has feminism broke the US family? Seems maybe some relationships have got more shallow or people have become more hollow, No Debate together, No Interests, Self Centered. The young generation are becoming more empty Miley Cyrus tastes in music, shopping for usless hangbags and fashion items, I-phone hedonistic stoner culture....is it any wonder its all failing...and the men are leaving the family game....they want to sit at home on their own buy their own car, drink their beer, play their Xbox and Playstation, watch the Baseball and Basketball until these men go old.

Pastors, Preachers, Marraige Registry offices all report record low levels of Marraige and the ones who do Marry are getting older and older...Men seem to be opting out of the whole tie-the-knot and fatherhood thing, they are portrayed news and in movies and shown in tv sitcoms as a kind of a joke

Yes, and it annoys me no end ..

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also in break ups mostly Courts will favor the woman and the Man will lose A LOT OF INCOME...many who don't pay supprot go to jail, for example over 90% of those punished, sent to jail for not paying child support are men. The Consequences of the current American society is Men are not Marrying the American Woman.

I think you've hit the nail on the head: PEOPLE (women AND men) have become more shallow. I've seen it happen in my lifetime.

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I have noticed this trend a lot over the years, its growing...Westerners, American men, many who still want to marry they now marry a girl from India, Russia, Cambodia, fly over and get a bride from China, Bolivia, Peru....yet they avoid the American woman today?

American women today are less dependent on men than some women abroad. I'm sure you'll find a lot of Romanian, Thai, Peruvian, and Philippine women who are willing to put up the the "priest, prophet, provider, and protector" routine ... or the "lord and master" routine.. . even put up with a certain amount of abuse ... in return for a better lifestyle. And a green card.

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Did US feminist go too far?

The question "What is feminism?" again.

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It's like the Man has been slowly dumped for...? ...more stronger femimism....a welfare state?...Metro-Sexuals?...

All of the above

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to give women the same stresses and pains of male work and leaving raising kids as an inconvenience...to give women the option to marry other women and go to the sperm bank for the lesbain raised kid?...whatever the reasons its many... modern culture is changing...the traditional 'Man' role in the USA has been dying a while now

Agreed

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I have heard all kinds of opinions from many parts of this world, from black, white, yellow, brown on the whole marraige thing...why the Men of the United States are Giving Up On Marriage...So many people have told me how Men are Fed up with American Women or Western Woman and Why Men Don't Want to Marry the American Woman Anymore. I have seen writing and heard talk from political people, from wealthy people, from less wealthy, from atheists, from religious people

What I think you've heard is that MEN are talking about "American women

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:01 PM (P)

The decline in marriage and the need for more purposeful parenthood

http://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/opinion/op-ed/the-decline-in-ma
rriage-and-the-need-for-more-purposeful/article_1613a543-6e0c-5f00-9e45-c04e49498d14.html

We used to assume people would marry before having children. But marriage is no longer the norm. In fact, marriage is getting rarer, especially among the youngest generation and those who are less educated. And half of all children born to women under 30 are born out of wedlock. The proportion is even higher among those without a college degree.

What’s going on here? Most of today’s young adults don’t feel ready to marry in their early 20s. Many have not completed their educations; others are trying to get established in a career; and many grew up with parents who divorced and are reluctant to make a commitment or take the risks associated with a legally binding tie.

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:

Some male whining about feminism or that “woman aren’t women any more” as a reason to not get married, my advice is go home to live with your mommy so you have protection from the big, bad feminists and all the other bad things that life holds.

Sounds like you've never seen an abusive relationship, where a court system screws the guy over

Or you simply carry your balls around in your wife's purse
if she ordered you to war while she meet up with the post man would you do it?

Never seen an abusive woman
or balls in your wife's purse
...which is it?

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:58 PM (P)

The article that you linked says ....

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Women are no longer economically dependent on men, jobs have dried up for working-class men, and unwed parenthood is no longer especially stigmatized. The proportion of children raised in single-parent homes has, as a consequence, risen from 5 percent in 1960 to about 30 percent now.

Conservatives have called for the restoration of marriage as the best way to reduce poverty and other social ills. However, they have not figured out how to do this.

The George W. Bush administration funded a series of marriage education programs that failed to move the needle in any significant way. The Clinton administration reformed welfare to require work and thus reduced any incentive welfare might have had in encouraging unwed childbearing. The retreat from marriage has continued despite these efforts. We are stuck with a problem that has no clear governmental solution, although religious and civic organizations can still play a positive role.

Among single women under the age of 30, 73 percent of all pregnancies are, according to the woman herself, either unwanted or badly mistimed. Some of these women will go on to have an abortion but 60 percent of all of the babies born to this group are unplanned.

So, is the problem a marriage problem, or a childraising problem? Do you fix it by encouraging marriage? Or do you fix it by by delaying childbirth? Is childbirth supposed to happen when women are (1) in a long-term contractual relationship with a man or (2) financially able to raise a child alone?

The reality is that men and women, and couples, respond to long-term trends just like any category of people. Activities that are dis-incentivized and unrewarded will be avoided, and activities that are rewarded will be sought out.

For example having children is costly - not just in terms of money, but in terms of opportunity and time. Instead of focusing on work, education ... or partying ... a young woman with a child will go through many sleepless nights, and spend the next five years (until child is ready for K-garten) focusing on dirty diapers, toilet-training, feeding, minding, and teaching her child, and trying to get some help from someone else with the myriad of tasks. That lifestyle expense is why Hispanic immigrants coming from a rural background where 12-13 children were the norm (I kid you not, I know three such women) quickly throttle back to six, two, or one child when more diverse opportunities present themselves.

Also, the rewards and disincentives are NOT uniform across-the-board. A young woman of color generally doesn't have the same opportunities of a young white woman, so a woman of color doesn't "lose" as much when she has a child at a young age. If you want to "even that out" you have to even out the opportunities.

I agree with you that children do best when they have a male figure in their lives. I observe how involved fathers treat their children - including their daughters. They tend to roughhouse more. Be more active. Demand greater performance. Women tend to be more solicitous, but women want GOOD children who don't take a lot of care. Men tend bring a wilder element to the equation. As you know, our daughter was born with a brain bleed, and as a result is permanently brain-damaged. Most men would have left (statistically true), hubby has stuck it out. Raising our child to achieve the most that she is capable of has been a challenge, we have had to make some horrifically important decisions and his input on those and the day-to-day has been priceless. (And actually, so was my sis'. It does indeed take a village- especially if you have a compromised child.)

So, as far as MEN being fathers ... well, are men interested in it???

I don't know- look at JACK. Nice enough guy, but 100% interested in himself, his videogames, hot babes, and in the stinkin'-thinkin' that comes of being an alcoholic.

Not fatherhood material. Probably only good as that uncle who show up on

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, January 24, 2016 3:15 AM (P)

I have a friend who blames it on 'her mum' or the in-laws, he says the in-law of an American girl or Western woman mother-in-law is a very difficult creature to put up with.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:07 AM (P)

My family has been mostly non-existent in our marriage.

It's HIS family that's the freaking Barone's from Everybody Loves Raymond.

You generalize like an idiot.

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 24, 2016 6:43 PM (P)

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I have a friend who blames it on 'her mum' or the in-laws, he says the in-law of an American girl or Western woman mother-in-law is a very difficult creature to put up with.

Well, if you want to talk about MIL-problems, I (female) lived with MY MIL, and it was a struggle for control - especially as she was very passive-aggressive.

The problem works in both directions, buddy! I very much doubt that is the source of the problem. I think the reality is that people of both sexes are encouraged to be vapid, shallow, individualistic consumers who have no loyalty to each other, no real roles of importance, and no interaction with each other except mutual predation and mutual masturbation.

It's not a problem with women, it's not a problem with men, it's a problem with society. And it certainly won't get fixed with one sex pointing the finger at the other.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

WISHIMAY

Monday, January 25, 2016 2:29 AM (P)

Bwa-ha bwah bwah bwah!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3414667/Twitter-user-shames-
male-trolls-slam-women-posing-half-naked-sharing-shirtless-images-alongside-hateful-words.html

And ya wonder why people don't wanna get married...

WISHIMAY

Monday, January 25, 2016 2:39 AM (P)

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
The young generation are becoming more empty Miley Cyrus tastes in music, shopping for usless hangbags and fashion items, I-phone hedonistic stoner culture....

Young people have always been generally hedonistic and superficial.

Think Opium and Laudanum and Absinthe and that plant that worked so well in ancient days for contraception that it went EXTINCT.

There will always be people who are traditional and get married either because of naivety or religion, just as there will always be people who are only capable of downing the nearest pharmaceutical and becoming parents from hell.

Welcome to Earth, you just fall off the turnip truck YESTERDAY?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 3:55 AM (P)

Seriously....

Any American Girl today that is over 24 years old.... her parents better pay a WHOLE TON OF SHEEP...

Most of them are full to the top of their tits with attitude and no substance to back their mediocire tits and fading youth up....

Basically, they're worthless...

EDITED TO ADD: The ONLY reason that Women are legally told to us that they're financially worth anything after they're too old to pretend they're anybody's sexy older sister is because of some bullshit Supreme Court Case that happened before most of us were born....

The only thing that women are GREAT at doing is manipulating sympathy from a group of 13 strangers and making a man pay for her shortcomings...

you get married to an American Woman, you get what you deserve....

a ZERO % investment on your return, is all...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 4:11 AM (P)

Most American Women can't even sell it anymore because they hate themselves more than American Men hate them...

Everything they do is deplorable and worthy of hate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 4:20 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

you get married to an American Woman, you get what you deserve....

a ZERO % investment on your return, is all...

AND YOU WOULD KNOW?

Dude, you are an old, drunk, out of shape, unemployed, stoner, by your own admission.

You put so much stock in the way a woman looks, or what SHE's worth when your own value is dropping by the second.

I spent half my day today navigating insurance and healthcare nonsense just to fill ONE of HIS prescriptions, making dinner, washing dishes, ran to the store for yet another of his obsessive wants, and then did three loads of laundry.

WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SPENT AN ENTIRE DAY'S EFFORT ON SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOURSELF???

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 4:24 AM (P)

Trent Reznor gave his life to a woman back when he was a feeble man, made of skin and bones....

Years before he bulked up and told GWB to go fuck himself...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 4:35 AM (P)

And no, I won't pretend I'm not half-gay enough to enjoy it...

Maybe I'm all messed up?

Right now I don't want to think too much about what we should or shouldn't do....

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:05 AM (P)

Top Divorce Countries wiki

1Belgium
2Hungary
3Spain
4Cuba
5Luxembourg
6France
7Estonia
8Latvia
9USA
10Russia
12Sweden
13UK
14Germany
15Netherlands

from records dot com

10. USA: 53%

This may come as a surprise to some, but the United States is only the tenth highest on the list of countries with the highest divorce rate. The U.S., which has some of the best kept data when it comes to marriages and divorces, is facing a steady decline in marriages according to the Census Bureau.

Not only are the number of marriages per year shrinking, but people are waiting longer to marry, and there has been an increase in the number of divorces in the United States. In fact, a divorce happens every one in six seconds, with a higher trend in the South and Midwest as opposed to the Northeast.

Nevada, Oklahoma and Arkansas are some of the states boasting the highest divorce rates, while New Jersey, New York and Massachusetts have some of the lowest divorce rates in the United States.
9. France: 55%

France, Paris, the Eiffle Tower… they all seem to allude to romance and couples, however it’s only an illusion as France appears as the ninth country on our list.

An argument can be made that France has such high divorce rates due to their openness to all things, however the high proportion of marriages that end in divorce makes one wonder about the well-being and happiness of the people, so much so, that in 2012 the French government thought it was worth being concerned about, and introduced a new initiative aimed at lowering the divorce rate in the country.
8. Cuba: 56%

Cuba has the highest divorce rate among all countries in Latin America. It’s so high that Pope John Paul II, during his 1998 visit to Cuba, criticized the high number of divorces there.

There are several reasons for why Cuba has such a high divorce rate. The first has to do with the island’s terrible housing shortage as well as high poverty which forces married couples to live with their in-laws and other relatives. As you can imagine, having to live with so many other people can cause a strain on even the best of marriages. The poor economic conditions don’t help either.

Cuba’s laissez-faire approach to divorce also contributes to its high divorce rate. It’s cheap and effortless, costing a couple about the equivalent of four U.S. dollars and twenty minutes of time. Because of the poverty, there are few possessions to divide, making divorce a truly simple process.
7. Estonia: 58%
Estonia averages nearly six in ten marriages ending in divorce. The nation is a former satellite state of the Soviet Union which has had legalised divorce for a long time, and as such it’s more or less accepted by society. As with Cuba, however, a newer trend showing a dramatic decrease in marriage levels has been the more significant talking point in the country. This trend – more and more common in countries with a high divorce rate – may be attributed to the high levels of divorce creating a society disillusioned with marriage. It should be pointed out that unlike several other nations, Estonia does not offer any tax breaks to married couples, only those cohabiting, meaning that there is no legal or logistical incentive for couples to marry.
6. Luxembourg: 60%

One of the smallest nations in Europe, Luxembourg lies sandwiched between Belgium, Germany and France, and has a population of just over half a million people.

Luxembourg sees many travellers, expats and others pass through the country. Grounds for divorce in the country require that both parties are above the age of 21 and that they have been married for at least two years, although legal separations and annulments are also possible. As with other nations, the marriage rate in Luxembourg is falling, while those most likely to divorce in the country are between 40 and 49 years of age.
5. Spain: 61%

At first glance it may be surprising to see Spain on this list since it’s historically been known for its close ties to the Catholic Church. However, the country has been moving away fro

THGRRI

Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:16 AM (P)

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

Why is it some people from other countries can't focus on their own countries and instead constantly post about America?

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, January 28, 2016 6:09 AM (P)

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Has feminism broke the US family? Seems maybe some relationships have got more shallow or people have become more hollow, No Debate together, No Interests, Self Centered. The young generation are becoming more empty Miley Cyrus tastes in music, shopping for usless hangbags and fashion items, I-phone hedonistic stoner culture....is it any wonder its all failing...and the men are leaving the family game....they want to sit at home on their own buy their own car, drink their beer, play their Xbox and Playstation, watch the Baseball and Basketball until these men go old

The cause is capitalism not feminism, you nit.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:00 PM (P)

there are definitely different standards, a girl slaps a guy in public its ok, a guy does it call the cops
a girl stoned almost drunk in California, talking, shouting stupid, skirt hiked up her butt, exposing herself, doing it on the streets...its ok she's finding herself, partying, being a young 'liberated' woman
a guy does it...a nuisance....call the cops

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Originally posted by G:
I noticed a number of your links have exact matching phrases.

How does this one fit into your political theories?
The modern substitute for motherhood - the "progress" of liberalism in the West

and btw I would probably be still classed by most people as 'Liberal'

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, March 18, 2016 5:32 AM (P)

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Too much blah blah blah.

I sum up.

YES. I BLAME MEN.

Men are in prison 10 times more than women. There's an assault on a women by a man every NINE FUCKING SECONDS.

Are you trying to imply that women really don't assault men more frequently?

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Women Jihadists ARE RARE. It's the exception that proves THE RULE EXISTING IN THE FIRST PLACE. He went over there to find an accomplice and bring her HERE. I doubt she would have been able to complete it without his green card, so YEP, he's still to blame.

Did you not get the facts that SHE radicalized HIM? He wasn't looking for an accomplice, just a decent companion since he couldn't find one here, which brings us back to the OP of this thread.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, April 19, 2016 8:12 PM (P)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Are you trying to imply that women really don't assault men more frequently?

Pretty much. I've met plenty of battered wives, but never once a battered husband.

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Did you not get the facts that SHE radicalized HIM? He wasn't looking for an accomplice, just a decent companion since he couldn't find one here, which brings us back to the OP of this thread.

Did you not get the fact that HE went over there to find a women and SHE was what he found? If he wasn't in that market, I'm sure there were plenty o girls he could have had instead. Maybe American girls weren't radical enough and that is why he was there to begin with. It was his green card. He had a baby with this chick so they could pass on their stellar DNA and then was completely complicit in the act and you are ready to pin all of that on HER?
Not that she was innocent, but she couldn't even have gotten in the country if it weren't for HIM.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 AM (P)

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I support feminism but I wonder if its gone too far
Gays should have equal rights and if a woman wants to be with a woman or a man wants to be with a man that's really none of our business...but I do wonder sometimes if the destruction of the old American nuclear family has gone too far?

Has feminism broke the US family? Seems maybe some relationships have got more shallow or people have become more hollow, No Debate together, No Interests, Self Centered. The young generation are becoming more empty Miley Cyrus tastes in music, shopping for usless hangbags and fashion items, I-phone hedonistic stoner culture....is it any wonder its all failing...and the men are leaving the family game....they want to sit at home on their own buy their own car, drink their beer, play their Xbox and Playstation, watch the Baseball and Basketball until these men go old
Pastors, Preachers, Marraige Registry offices all report record low levels of Marraige and the ones who do Marry are getting older and older...Men seem to be opting out of the whole tie-the-knot and fatherhood thing, they are portrayed news and in movies and shown in tv sitcoms as a kind of a joke, also in break ups mostly Courts will favor the woman and the Man will lose A LOT OF INCOME...many who don't pay supprot go to jail, for example over 90% of those punished, sent to jail for not paying child support are men. The Consequences of the current American society is Men are not Marrying the American Woman.

I have noticed this trend a lot over the years, its growing...Westerners, American men, many who still want to marry they now marry a girl from India, Russia, Cambodia, fly over and get a bride from China, Bolivia, Peru....yet they avoid the American woman today?

Did US feminist go too far?
It's like the Man has been slowly dumped for...? ...more stronger femimism....a welfare state?...Metro-Sexuals?...to give women the same stresses and pains of male work and leaving raising kids as an inconvenience...to give women the option to marry other women and go to the sperm bank for the lesbain raised kid?...whatever the reasons its many... modern culture is changing...the traditional 'Man' role in the USA has been dying a while now

I have heard all kinds of opinions from many parts of this world, from black, white, yellow, brown on the whole marraige thing...why the Men of the United States are Giving Up On Marriage...So many people have told me how Men are Fed up with American Women or Western Woman and Why Men Don't Want to Marry the American Woman Anymore. I have seen writing and heard talk from political people, from wealthy people, from less wealthy, from atheists, from religious people

Anyways I'm not sure of the reason or reasons but I think its true the Western Men are now Avoiding Marriage with the American Woman

trends for American women are bad in the US white, latino, asian community and maybe even worse in the black community....for whatever reason
A satisfied, content and happiness gender gap has also emerged across all enthic groups for women, in America all women are now un-happy compared to men
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http://suzannevenker.com/men-the-new-second-class-citizens/
America needs to wake up. We have swung the pendulum too far in the other direction—from a man’s world to a woman’s world.
That’s not equality. That’s revenge.
http://www.the-niceguy.com/articles/America.html
One thing that I do think is interesting at explaining why I get-along with the women over there: the Chinese word for 'feminism' is nan-nü pingdengzhuyi... which literally means 'male-female equalism'. What a nice concept!

I've traveled a lot, I've seen how women are treated in a lot of countries and it sickens me. Women in too many traditional societies aren't even treated as scarcely human. By comparison, women in the U.S. are so fucking spoiled. They really are. They've had it so good for so long that they've lost all sense of reality or proportio

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:31 PM (P)

LOL! It's a real problem? It's caused by feminism?

Sorry, just too ludicrous.

RICHIE

Monday, May 2, 2016 11:22 AM (P)

Well presented and very true. I was married once, and she was the laziest and most selfish person I ever met. She gained over 50 pounds after marriage, quit her job, started expensive hobbies such as Maryk and pampered chef, buying so much for her family and girlfriends. Of course, these things did not start nor show until I was already trapped. She spent so much of the money I earned that we were in debt, and I made 140k a year.

I know live comfortably with 45k a year, working part time by choice, single and do what I want without someone constantly fussing at me. I can travel and enjoy the world, go on a cruise once a year, and I still date time to time. My relationships almost always end with them deciding that our agreement that it will not be serious is no longer what they want, and they try to get me to commit to marrying them. Every freaking time. It is like a disease, women can only think about landing a guy and walking down the isle. Some have even tried to get pregnant to force my hand.

I will never marry another American woman. I have not met one that has not done some kind of sexual act with less than 5 guys, and that is being generously conservative on the estimate. Women do nothing but badmouth everyone else, fish for compliments, and struggle with severe insecurity. I am content with a new woman every few months, without commitment or I'll never again be in a situation where a woman owns me, such as marriage. I get a proposal from a woman at least once a year, and that is always my sign to move on. The moment you piss them off, they make some sort of comment about you being less than a man, and they get more pissed that I laugh. They can be mad all that they want, but they still will not be raiding my home, life and happiness. I think I still have a few voice mails of them flipping their shit about me not wanting to marry them. Funny as hell.

MGTOW

SIGNYM

Monday, May 2, 2016 9:15 PM (P)

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Well presented and very true. I was married once, and she was the laziest and most selfish person I ever met. She gained over 50 pounds after marriage, quit her job, started expensive hobbies such as Maryk and pampered chef, buying so much for her family and girlfriends. Of course, these things did not start nor show until I was already trapped. She spent so much of the money I earned that we were in debt, and I made 140k a year.

Can I ask you a stupid question: Why did you get married in the first place?

More specifically, what were your expectations of your wife? Was she supposed to continue working or quit her job? If she quit her job, were you expecting her to wash and cook and clean? Or develop a hobby? Or sit around all day looking pretty, ready to be your sex-slave and arm- bauble for parties? Did you expect her to take care of your family with the same generous attitude that she took care of hers? Did you give her any agency over the family coffers? Or was she supposed to ask for money each time she purchased something?

Dude, unless you get these things straightened out BEFORE you marry, you're likely to be joined to someone who is not even heading in the same direction you are, they're heading out on a road at a 90-degree angle from you!

I blame at least half of your clusterfuck on you, dude. You married someone pretty without even looking into HER motives and morals.

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I know [sic] live comfortably with 45k a year, working part time by choice, single and do what I want without someone constantly fussing at me. I can travel and enjoy the world, go on a cruise once a year, and I still date time to time. My relationships almost always end with them deciding that our agreement that it will not be serious is no longer what they want, and they try to get me to commit to marrying them. Every freaking time. It is like a disease, women can only think about landing a guy and walking down the isle. Some have even tried to get pregnant to force my hand.

I will never marry another American woman. I have not met one that has not done some kind of sexual act with less than 5 guys,

Unfortunately, this is the kind of woman that THE MEDIA has convinced them what men want. But here I am, back to what YOU want.

So, what do you want? A near-virgin as your only (unmarried) lover? Do you want to be a dad some day? Do THEY want to be moms some day? Create a loving household and solid partnership with which to raise children?

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and that is being generously conservative on the estimate. Women do nothing but badmouth everyone else, fish for compliments, and struggle with severe insecurity. I am content with a new woman every few months, without commitment [or - delete] BUT I'll never again be in a situation where a woman owns me, such as marriage. I get a proposal from a woman at least once a year, and that is always my sign to move on. The moment you piss them off, they make some sort of comment about you being less than a man, and they get more pissed that I laugh. They can be mad all that they want, but they still will not be raiding my home, life and happiness. I think I still have a few voice mails of them flipping their shit about me not wanting to marry them. Funny as hell.

MGTOW

So your planned future is as selfish as these women's seem to be, and I'm wondering if that wasn't the problem all along: You're the equivalent of someone who doesn't want to get into a true partnership with anyone, and probably not fatherhood material. And EVEN IF you met a woman (and you probably already have) who was ready to be a steadfast contributing partner, with each of you putting into the relationship the best they could at the time and drawing from it when times were tough, that's not what you want.

You want your undisturbed life, with YOUR money and YOUR activities and YOUR games and YOUR sex, and nobody (except a nobody who is there to fulfill YOUR needs) belongs in there with you. Am I right?

I think I a

RICHIE

Monday, May 2, 2016 10:03 PM (P)

I was injured in Iraq, so acclimating to the civilian life. I honestly never dated up to this point, aside from high school, as I was always being deployed somewhere. I went in naive to what to expect, I guess, but I assumed she would continue working, and we would make meals together, hike together and the other things of such fun. I rather expected her to be the person she was before we married. I never put up a front or played any games, and I expected none in return. We did date for more than a year, so, I assumed we worked out all of those things. But, I am sure everyone loves to blame the guy, because that is what society teaches us to do.

I am just living my life for experiencing as much as I can. I would have liked to be a dad, but those years are in the past. My time in the service was the best time for that. I simply live to enjoy life. I go into relationships with this openly. I share my ideals and thoughts of these things, and if they are in concurrence, we date. Women seem to have a hidden agenda though, and it seems to hit them around the two month mark. I take a month off, and then go into the dating world again. I never lie or coerce, but they still end up expecting that ring.

I did want a family and "the American Dream" as it were. But these women only seem to be interested in money. So, yes, I lost that care for anything more meaningful. You assault me with words, such as selfish, but where is it selfish to not allow one's self to be used. I am not their paycheck, and things will remain that way. If that is selfish, so be it.

MGTOW

SIGNYM

Monday, May 2, 2016 11:05 PM (P)

Richie, what you say you want is a female buddy/ companion - someone that you can share life with AND have sex with, in a non-committed way.

But your motives may not be as straightforward as YOU think they are. So, for example: Are you dating well below your age? Dating younger women means that you're dating women who aren't as advanced in their careers as you are. They're probably not making as much money. They might not even be financially stable. They have less world-experience then you, and a less-mature outlook. THEY may be interested in having children, while you are not.

IF (big IF) you want a committed relationship, and you are fishing in the junior pond ... or any pond for that matter.... you had better be clear about what THEY want as well as what YOU want.

To tell the truth, your current plans don't seem to have room for a real, living, breathing human woman with plans, fears, needs, and ideas of her own. I hear about what YOU want. I'm not hearing anything about what you're offering in return, except the pleasure of your company. As you found out, you don't need to be married for that kind of relationship. And if all you're looking for is a casual relationship ... a relationship of convenience, without commitment from either side .... then don't blame women for your failure to find something more, because you aren't looking for it.

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Not that hubby and I are an ideal couple, but we match up in a lot of important ways. At times, when life shat on us undendingly, our relationship has been like foxhole mates. We usually make the same amount of money, and we're both pretty chintzy about spending it. We put the most that we can into our family at the time that we can, in terms of insight, energy, sympathy, and patience, and have relied on the other when all of that other stuff ran thin. We have a working relationship that's solid because we agree on all the major stuff. You need to know what's going to happen when life shits on you. If you're looking for THAT kind of relationship, you might need to look fairly deeply.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

RICHIE

Tuesday, May 3, 2016 12:05 AM (P)

I date various ages. I do not know how, "I have no interest in ever getting married," is confusing, lol. Woman that I date are typically older than 32, so I do not have the child issue often, but it has come up. I refuse to date anyone younger than 30, as their is a maturity level and generation gap in interests. I like how you are trying to find a hole in this. It is simply, women lie to get what they want, men generally pack up and leave confrontation of this sort. I have never been happier, since I gave up on the illusion of a true partnership in marriage in the US. It just does not exist anymore, except on rare cases. Statistics do not lie.

MGTOW

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, May 3, 2016 10:24 AM (P)

You generalize too much.

I married my husband while he was working at McD's. *I* bought the rings. *I* owned the mobile home he moved into. *I* have NEVER had sex with anyone other than my husband, but he has had sex with several people before me. Figured out he had Asperger's shortly after getting married, will be married 16 years this month.

You are probably looking for a woman who fills your dreams out, but marriage is 99% HARD WORK. FOR AS LONG AS YOU BOTH SHALL LIVE. FROM BOTH or it's "so long, sayonara."

RICHIE

Tuesday, May 3, 2016 4:17 PM (P)

Indeed, it is generalization, because it is the majority by far. You would be one of the rarities, which is something like finding a diamond in a coal mine. Nothing is impossible. I have been used and lied to far too much to trust that I will find that rare gem, so I accept my circumstances, and found peace with it. I do not hate women, obviously, but I do not trust women 'generally'. I have written a song for each girl that I have dated, cook my famous chili (as every guy probably has their own recipie) or some other dinner on a regular basis, buy flowers and all of that. The big difference, I will not get that marriage liscence that entitles her to all of my possessions now and to come. I am a romantic, just one that will not be used again. If I found a woman that honestly never wanted to marry, well, that might be a permanent relationship.

MGTOW

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 3, 2016 7:03 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Richie:
Indeed, it is generalization, because it is the majority by far. You would be one of the rarities, which is something like finding a diamond in a coal mine. Nothing is impossible. I have been used and lied to far too much to trust that I will find that rare gem, so I accept my circumstances, and found peace with it. I do not hate women, obviously, but I do not trust women 'generally'. I have written a song for each girl that I have dated, cook my famous chili (as every guy probably has their own recipie) or some other dinner on a regular basis, buy flowers and all of that. The big difference, I will not get that marriage liscence that entitles her to all of my possessions now and to come. I am a romantic, just one that will not be used again. If I found a woman that honestly never wanted to marry, well, that might be a permanent relationship.

MGTOW

It sound to me like you've had one bad experience, and now you'd like to use the excuse that since nearly all woman are lying, you don't want to get married.

I tossed that idea against all of the women that I work with ... office assistants, technicians, chemists, student workers/ interns etc ... and out of the approximately 30 women that that constitutes, of anywhere from college age to retirement age, I can only think of two exceptions (women who would use men's sexual attraction to them to achieve an unfair relationship) Of all of the women that I work with- married and unmarried- over 90% are hard-working women who contribute not only their salary but also housework, cooking, and child/husband care to their marriages. Most of them are normal weight. Some of them fix their own cars, others volunteer at church or are otherwise engaged in useful outside activities.

Now, all that being said, I would say the same for most of the men I work with. They ALSO contribute their salaries to their marriages, although they generally do less childcare and housework. The exception is the unmarried father, who is taking care of one child who is his and one child who isn't his.

I think the problem must be you.

Oh and BTW, women in their early 30s have their biological clocks ticking the loudest. It's at 35 that the risk of Down's Syndrome and infertility rises, and women who have deferred having children so they could advance their careers are thinking about children right about then. So your assumption about children not being an issue with women who are 32 is not only wrong, it's 180 deg wrong for many professional women. If you don't want children to be an underlying issue, instead of assuming that (erroneously, as it turns out) based on age, why don't you just ask?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 4, 2016 5:57 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Richie:
Well presented and very true. I was married once, and she was the laziest and most selfish person I ever met. She gained over 50 pounds after marriage, quit her job, started expensive hobbies such as Maryk and pampered chef, buying so much for her family and girlfriends. Of course, these things did not start nor show until I was already trapped. She spent so much of the money I earned that we were in debt, and I made 140k a year.

I know live comfortably with 45k a year, working part time by choice, single and do what I want without someone constantly fussing at me. I can travel and enjoy the world, go on a cruise once a year, and I still date time to time. My relationships almost always end with them deciding that our agreement that it will not be serious is no longer what they want, and they try to get me to commit to marrying them. Every freaking time. It is like a disease, women can only think about landing a guy and walking down the isle. Some have even tried to get pregnant to force my hand.

I will never marry another American woman. I have not met one that has not done some kind of sexual act with less than 5 guys, and that is being generously conservative on the estimate. Women do nothing but badmouth everyone else, fish for compliments, and struggle with severe insecurity. I am content with a new woman every few months, without commitment or I'll never again be in a situation where a woman owns me, such as marriage. I get a proposal from a woman at least once a year, and that is always my sign to move on. The moment you piss them off, they make some sort of comment about you being less than a man, and they get more pissed that I laugh. They can be mad all that they want, but they still will not be raiding my home, life and happiness. I think I still have a few voice mails of them flipping their shit about me not wanting to marry them. Funny as hell.

MGTOW

Well, this is a noble effort, on this board.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 4, 2016 6:03 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
I know [sic] live comfortably with 45k a year, working part time by choice, single and do what I want without someone constantly fussing at me. I can travel and enjoy the world, go on a cruise once a year, and I still date time to time. My relationships almost always end with them

alright
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deciding that our agreement that it will not be serious

Siggy, did you miss this part?
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is no longer what they want, and they try to get me to commit to marrying them. Every freaking time. It is like a disease, women can only think about landing a guy and walking down the isle. Some have even tried to get pregnant to force my hand.

I will never marry another American woman.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 4, 2016 6:08 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Richie:
I was injured in Iraq, so acclimating to the civilian life. I honestly never dated up to this point, aside from high school, as I was always being deployed somewhere. I went in naive to what to expect, I guess, but I assumed she would continue working, and we would make meals together, hike together and the other things of such fun. I rather expected her to be the person she was before we married. I never put up a front or played any games, and I expected none in return. We did date for more than a year, so, I assumed we worked out all of those things. But, I am sure everyone loves to blame the guy, because that is what society teaches us to do.

I am just living my life for experiencing as much as I can. I would have liked to be a dad, but those years are in the past. My time in the service was the best time for that. I simply live to enjoy life. I go into relationships with this openly. I share my ideals and thoughts of these things, and if they are in concurrence, we date. Women seem to have a hidden agenda though, and it seems to hit them around the two month mark. I take a month off, and then go into the dating world again. I never lie or coerce, but they still end up expecting that ring.

I did want a family and "the American Dream" as it were. But these women only seem to be interested in money. So, yes, I lost that care for anything more meaningful. You assault me with words, such as selfish, but where is it selfish to not allow one's self to be used. I am not their paycheck, and things will remain that way. If that is selfish, so be it.

MGTOW

You remind me of an old saying.
Men get married thinking their wife will never change.
Women get married thinking they will be able to change their husband into the man they want.
Neither gets their wish.

Also, women keep whining that men don't want to commit, but it is really the women who do not want to commit.
Women want the men to commit to a wedding, so they get a lifetime of income to leach from the guy. But women do not want to commit to a lifetime of marriage, just enough to qualify for alimony.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 4, 2016 11:10 AM (P)

I just proved you wrong, ARE YOU BLI-

Oh wait, answered my own question.

PS. I have a neighbor with three kids, hubby left her for a women half her age after a business trip with NOTHING, not even to feed the kids with.

Men are so *fabulous*, they think that food magically appears on tables that clean themselves just like the laundry, so the wife HAS to sit around and do nothing.

PSS. besides the two widows and the lecherous hump, there's a dozen other long term marriages on my street, where the WOMEN mow the lawn and usually work two jobs AND run the kids. It's actually surprising to see a man mowing a lawn here.

Maybe if you want a decent relationship you should move away from pretentious places? There's nowhere to shop here, that's for sure...

RICHIE

Wednesday, May 4, 2016 1:00 PM (P)

You keep trying to make excuses for these women. I find that very ironic, but it is your prerogative. No, not just one bad experience, but around a dozen that seem to get excited as soon as they know I have money. Suddenly, everything changes. Not to mention, the women that I date end up the same way eventually. They cannot handle being in a relationship, unless it means marriage. Not sure how my life is being considered a reaction to a bad thing, as I see this as a very good thing. I have my freedom, independence and my time. These things were never mine when I was in relationships before the change. If I wanted to hang out with friends, she had to know and approve. Women are always so jealous and quick to judge. This is pointless though, as you talk in circles. I do not think you know what you believe yet. I will leave it at, statistics do not lie. There is a reason that men, such as myself, have given up on traditional relationships in the US.

MGTOW

RICHIE

Wednesday, May 4, 2016 1:00 PM (P)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 4, 2016 7:21 PM (P)

JSF,

RICHIE, it's entirely within your prerogative to not want to marry. However, to BLAME WOMEN for your not wanting to marry is disingenuous.

On the one hand, you blame women for "sleeping around". On the other hand, you blame women for wanting to marry and settle down.

Now, you may think that's predatory and dishonest on the part of women, but in other cultures it is expected that a man bring a sound mind and body, and the ability to earn money, to the relationship.

Why?

Because it is expected that at SOME point in that relationship the woman will become pregnant, give birth, and have to engage in child care and be unable to work, and therefore must be supported by SOMEbody. Do you think that's unfair?

I really think you ought to get that whole "children are out of the picture" straightened out ... for real... with these women because, as I wrote, you are dealing with exactly the age range of women whose biological clocks are ticking the loudest. Once you've established (not assumed) that children really ARE out of the picture, then you can make more reliable assumptions about what the women's motivations are.

So far, tho, I think you're making unwarranted assumptions.

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JSF- To repeat my point, it's entirely within RICHIE'S prerogatives to not want to get married. OTOH, he blames his preference on all women. But maybe he just doesn't want to get married, and he's using his experience with one woman to shift the "blame" (if blame is to be had).

What I find interesting is that in terms of faithfulness and divorce, the statistics show that lesbian relationship are more stable, more equal, and more committed than heterosexual relationships, and that gay (male) relationships are the worst, in terms of longevity and commitment. Maybe that's a cultural bias, but maybe it says something about biology

Also, there are far more female prostitutes than male prostitutes (who tend to service gay males anyway). So what does that say about women and men?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:40 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Richie:
... but around a dozen that seem to get excited as soon as they know I have money.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

Here's a thought, genius. Don't tell them you have money.

But, if YOUR freedom, YOUR independence, YOUR money, and YOUR time are all that matters to you, stay single. You probably couldn't handle ANY relationship in any configuration. Die alone and childless with no one to mourn you.

That is probably the part you are trying to justify, even to yourself.

RICHIE

Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:49 AM (P)

I find it humorous, how our society has to rationalize how men are tired of the behavior of the average modern US woman, and that it still somehow is the guy's fault. This is part of the problem, as women never take the responsibility for their part in things. This used to bother me, but now it is a funny side note. The generation of blaming where it can never be the individual's fault. I imagine that is how we will be remembered. You do not see these same problems around the world. I almost married a woman from Indonesia, and I often think that my career focused goals were a mistake in breaking that relationship up.

I put too much time into my work and lost my chance at a normal relationship, and it appears that the pool of women that are available, about 70 percent of the female population at my age, are damaged and/or desperate. On top of that, only one out of over twenty women that I have dated, have not been on some sort of depression drug. It is a little disconcerting. Maybe it is the chemicals that we force down our throats, and call food, or maybe it is that we have had it so comfortable for so long, and are losing touch... Either way, women will never accept any responsibility for the situation, and men, such as myself, are no longer interested in hearing the one sided arguments on how we supposedly screwed everything up. I even had one woman try to convince me that her bad day at work was actually because she could not focus, because she was thinking about how great our last date was, and she was angry at me for it. I thought it was a good thing to have someone on your mind, but apparently this was not the case for her.

I joined MGTOW, and found that this was not just me, but tens of thousands of men at least. The princess syndrome is what they call it, and I am inclined to agree. My new iPad pro is having issues after updating to the new iOS, and the keyboard is not working 100%. An update is supposed to be out for it within a week, so, my posts will be more reader friendly then.

MGTOW

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, May 5, 2016 5:15 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JSF,

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JSF- To repeat my point, it's entirely within RICHIE'S prerogatives to not want to get married. OTOH, he blames his preference on all women.

Or maybe just all the women he has been dealing with.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, May 5, 2016 5:19 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Richie:
I find it humorous, how our society has to rationalize how men are tired of the behavior of the average modern US woman, and that it still somehow is the guy's fault. This is part of the problem, as women never take the responsibility for their part in things. This used to bother me, but now it is a funny side note. The generation of blaming where it can never be the individual's fault. I imagine that is how we will be remembered. You do not see these same problems around the world. I almost married a woman from Indonesia, and I often think that my career focused goals were a mistake in breaking that relationship up.

I put too much time into my work and lost my chance at a normal relationship, and it appears that the pool of women that are available, about 70 percent of the female population at my age, are damaged and/or desperate. On top of that, only one out of over twenty women that I have dated, have not been on some sort of depression drug. It is a little disconcerting. Maybe it is the chemicals that we force down our throats, and call food, or maybe it is that we have had it so comfortable for so long, and are losing touch... Either way, women will never accept any responsibility for the situation, and men, such as myself, are no longer interested in hearing the one sided arguments on how we supposedly screwed everything up. I even had one woman try to convince me that her bad day at work was actually because she could not focus, because she was thinking about how great our last date was, and she was angry at me for it. I thought it was a good thing to have someone on your mind, but apparently this was not the case for her.

I joined MGTOW, and found that this was not just me, but tens of thousands of men at least. The princess syndrome is what they call it, and I am inclined to agree. My new iPad pro is having issues after updating to the new iOS, and the keyboard is not working 100%. An update is supposed to be out for it within a week, so, my posts will be more reader friendly then.

MGTOW

Back to the topic, would you consider marrying a woman from outside USA?

WISHIMAY

Thursday, May 5, 2016 6:14 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Richie:
I find it humorous, how our society has to rationalize how men are tired of the behavior of the average modern US woman, and that it still somehow is the guy's fault.

I joined MGTOW, and found that this was not just me, but tens of thousands of men at least. The princess syndrome is what they call it, and I am inclined to agree.

It IS your fault that you can't communicate or make it clear what you are looking for in a relationship or pay attention long enough to see what kind of person you are attracted to or with. It IS your fault that you joined a cult that serves to reinforce your delusions. Finding someone to be mad at feels great, but lets start at terrorists or baby rapists, Nooo you go with the people you can't get any sexy time from. Moron of the day, right next to the "WE DON'T NEED CARS" freak.

I don't need to join anything to see you are a lonely greedy twit. You are clearly missing something somewhere.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, May 6, 2016 5:23 AM (P)

I finally looked up Men Going Their Own Way.

Looks like an interesting resource.

WISHIMAY

Friday, May 6, 2016 5:25 AM (P)

This is what happens when men can't deal with the fact women don't wanna be shit on anymore.

That's the real meaning of "Feminism", btw.

And now he gets to learn the real meaning of jail rape.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3575841/Virginia-man-31-guilty
-murdering-feminist-roommate-20-stuffing-plastic-bags-throat.html

Yep, now HE gets to be the girl.

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:50 PM (P)

Become a crazy game, I see this thread easily collecting 10,000 views in the next 2 months. Also in all thos years seen the whole killmarraige and boycott marriage # hastag trend on facebook, voat, reddit, myspace, twitter etc

and the world gets weirder and stranger
'Mattress Girl', Emma Sulkowicz, received the 'Woman of Courage' award from the National Organization for Women (the world's largest feminist organization) for her disturbing art pornography vid and over her false rape accusation and harassment of another student.
http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2015/06/did-mattress-girl-tell-the-tru
th-not-very-likely/
http://www.returnofkings.com/65421/mattress-girl-emma-sulkowicz-makes-
a-rape-sex-tape
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index.php?title=Emma_Sulkowicz&di
ff=prev&oldid=856696#Emma_goes_crazy.2C_makes_rape_porn_sex_tape

Women for Men
http://womenformen.org/about-4/

Refusing to have Sex now considered Domestic Violence
http://www.familylawexpress.com.au/family-law-news/familyviolence/star
ing-withdrawing-affection-is-domestic-violence-according-to-new-guidelines/3111/

WISHIMAY

Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:27 PM (P)

You comic forgot a few slides. Where's the one where the guy develops every addiction possible? Drugs, alcohol, porn, gaming, buying stupid shit that isn't for the good of the family? Gonna blame THAT on women?
Where's the one where he beats her up and goes to jail because the stats for rape, murder and spousal abuse are overwhelmingly MALE...
Where's the one for the women that hold down jobs and take care of everything? Where's the one for the women who do ALL the work keeping up a house, including lawn maintenance, and vehicle maintenance- because I can tell you for a fact when the lawns a mowing here, it's the girls out in force doing it.
Where's the one for him cheating several times, because that Ashley Madison thing proved men do that FAR more than women.

"Nobody disputed the dramatic gender disparity in the Ashley Madison user base, including the company itself. 5.5 million profiles are marked “female” in a database of roughly 37 million people."

The problem, only about 12,000 women were actual users of the site, many many more profiles were BOTS.

http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-data
base-1725558944

Yes, women rape, murder, and commit abuses. Some even skip out on punishment.....But to whine about that when the real problem is disproportionally MALE is ludicrous. Talk about taking NO responsibility, for ANYTHING.

Anyone who believes that men are morally better than women are deluded.
End of/.

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, October 17, 2016 1:00 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
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What once made American and her people great is slowly being destroyed, an attack on the heart, family, ethnicities, heritage and civilisation of America herself

The killer excuse of Infidelity, the cheat that killed marraige is often brought up as the crisis that led to filing but sometimes the martial problems are usually much bigger than that! Another fact is how People change. They say it can be troubling, when men expect the partner they married 10 years ago to be the same person she was on their wedding day, we seen them grow apart, we all seen it said. The reality is, if people want to stay married, they have to grow together or you run the risk of growing apart. Is the modern feminism movement itself destroying the institution of marriage? New survey and latest stats have shown that women are now initiating 69 per cent of divorces – and they’re increasingly doing it because they claim their husbands don’t pull their weight. Many divorces initiated by women – were those where the man was a stay-at-home-dad while she a high-earner. The women dumping stay-at-home dads accounted for 10 per cent of all divorces. For some men, the social system and marriage equals slavery: “Marriage the man choosing his slave master or mistress.” For a number of men, marriage equals unrequited sacrifice: “So married men work 400 hours more per year than single men. They’re not hanging out with their friends anymore, hobbies have stopped and they lost free time

You only need look at the comments in fireflyfans to see a lot of engry, bitter feelings. Angry women but also lots of men out there harbor a deeply misogynistic view of the opposite sex. A new breed of bitter, anrgy men and an unremittingly negative view of love and commitment, and a complete lack of faith in marriage Can a society continue without marraige? with no couples? Can an economy, a nation move on with no raised children, can a nation survive with no babies?

How did civilisations grow, how did peoples themselves exist at a time before the United States of America was even a breath

What did people look up at before everyone started to worship the bureaucracy, new laws, the tv and worship the US Dollar?

Could it be possible for example for a 1400 year old death cult like Islam and its jihadists and women who beheave like islamist baby making machines...could this religion OUTLIVE America herself?
after all what Islamist society...it does sometimes seem kinda backward but what it does, it does very well
its men are at war with other non believers, if they are not defeated out right on the battlefield other younger men will take the places of those fallen
its women imprisoned inside the religious mindset of jihad from a violent male prophet, they pop out young child, after young child....if you are in a war against a foe who does not yeild who wins? the one who can take more pain? a war of attrition? or is the winner simply the culture that pops out more babies?

I currently believe the US has been enterting a State of decline, the mess in hospitals, drugs and broken famalies, decline in weath and rise in un-employment or under employment, the tv radio icons and Senators now with messed up lives, Congressmen, US Presidential Candidates now without stable family or good mothers or no good fathers, the election circus itself....all a symptom of a larger problem
and now in modern time men and women contemplate the legal rules of divorce — about custody, asset division
divorce in US society is relatively recent. American states began passing laws that made divorce legal in the late eighteenth century so as a culture, breaking couples apart is a relatively new thing while other cultures had many many years to figure things out.

You got to ask how did peoples, cultures, empires and groups like the Native Americans, the religious Empires, the Greeks, the Hindu in India, the ancient of Egypt of Rome, the Chinese how did all these exist for so long, who or what attacked these peoples and how did they

WISHIMAY

Monday, October 17, 2016 4:34 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

People need to start worshiping more than just a US Dollar, themselves, their own hedonism, dicks and vaginas, they need to worship more than a Dollar or foreign money

Good luck wit dat. The reason dictatorships are virulent is because it removes choice and individual thought (which is the only way what you'd want could happen), but they all eventually fail, like every other society. Especially when the dictator is removed. Dictatorships SUCK to live in, being the other...

People will ALWAYS act like people because that's what people DO.

BTW, having children sucks. This country doesn't care if we have them, and it certainly doesn't make it any easier to do so, so why bother??
PTA's are OBNOXIOUS. Teachers are OBNOXIOUS. Being responsible for a cute little idiot's every move IS OBNOXIOUS. I would never want to do it again.
I like being free to eat, sleep, and poop when I choose.

And that's the words you hate to hear women say "I CHOOSE."

WISHIMAY

Monday, October 17, 2016 4:39 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Only men who died in battle and women who died in child birth should have their name inscribed on their tombstone
..if you didn't die in battle or in child birth you were a loser and not consider writing about

AND THEY STILL DIED OUT, DIDN'T THEY???

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:05 PM (P)

Yeahhh, men are GREAT.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3847032/Men-beha
ving-badly-annoying-plane-passengers-likely-self-centred-infrequent-flyers-MALE.html

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, October 26, 2016 6:55 PM (P)

what is the 'red pill' movement about? what is MGTOW?

http://www.the-niceguy.com/articles/MarryAmerican.html

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T2KQ3HVOL7JBM7FPU/p571

https://mavericktraveler.com/how-my-life-regained-harmony-after-i-stop
ped-dating-american-women/

https://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/marriage/11-more-reasons-
for-a-straight-man-to-avoid-marriage/

http://judgybitch.com/2015/09/29/sad-sluts-are-sad-that-no-one-wants-t
o-marry-them/

the Western solution today?

Is the system backwards, the tax paying woman rewarded with longer hours and more taxes

?
true
?

Islamist refugee with FOUR WIVES and 23 CHILDREN ‘claims £320,000 a year in benefits'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/724800/Syrian-refugee-Ghazia-A-fou
r-wives-23-children-320000-benefits-germany-Montabaur-Twasif

WISHIMAY

Saturday, November 5, 2016 4:47 AM (P)

Yeah, how many of these "girl chained up in a basement, shed, crate, box, closet" things are there?? And this one WORKED for the guy...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-south-carolina-kidnapping-idUSKBN12Y
2NU

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:42 PM (P)

Just seen a trend across the blogs and twitter, the whole 'Mens Rights' and 'Red Pill' term

and viral vids like ' Help us help Cassie Jaye make The Red Pill a success! ' ...People STILL haven't figured out why men are opting out of work and family... and 'The Red Pill documentary on men's rights pulled from Australian theater' ...Feminist supports the ban of Men's Rights documentary screening

some vids
http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/01/22/hookinguprealities/witnessing
-the-painful-fallout-of-female-promiscuity/

Quote:
Witnessing the Painful Fallout of Female Promiscuity

Last week, new reader Nancy stumbled onto an old post I wrote about one risk of female promiscuity that no one likes to talk about. It led her to share a story that is painful to read, but I offer it here as a public service announcement.

Millennial women, be aware. Feminism did not rid society of the sexual double standard. Men remain loath to commit to women with considerable previous sexual experience. Why? Because it significantly raises the risk of a man’s raising someone else’s child, which is obviously not in his best interest. He sees your past as a valid predictor of your future behavior.

The other thing you should be aware of is that the truth will out. Hiding your past for a lifetime is extremely difficult logistically, but it is also very burdensome psychologically to keep that secret.

From Nancy:

Women need the raw and honest truth.

Women who plan on finding ‘the one’ and getting married one day please, please, PLEASE listen to what these men have to say. I wish more than ANYTHING that I had this valuable insight into how men think and feel about sex, and promiscuous women when I was a teenager. If I have a daughter I will be educating her on this valubale life lesson. I feel like now, at the age of 29, I’m only just learning about men. My eyes have finally been opened. How could I have been so blinded before???

I’m so incredibly sad. I’m living a life full of regret. I am now married to the most wonderful man – he is every woman’s dream:

First impressions: handsome, muscly, tall, the alpha male, excellent communicator.

Lasting impressions: loving, caring, kind, the provider, amazing lover.

Women throw themselves at him.. And he chose to be with me.

Unfortunately I didn’t save myself for him. I was promiscuous when I was single and my sexual past is putting a HUGE strain on our relationship. It is the ONLY thing we fight about. He loves me and cares for me, but he doesn’t respect me. I hope and pray that we can get through this. Your past DOES matter and it will always come back to haunt you.

When my husband and I first started dating he told me that he had issues with promiscuous women, and he asked me what I was like when I was single. I didn’t reveal to him my exact number, I simply said, “I haven’t slept with many guys”. Amongst my circle of friends it was considered a below average number, but on a global scale I now realise it’s a very high number.

At the time he was satisfied with my answer.. But 6 months later the topic came up again. He wanted an exact number. I did what many women do, and I lied. I told him 10 less than the actual number. That number already doubled his acceptable quota, and he was really disgusted with me. However, he stayed with me.

Another 6 months later I finally came clean and confessed my real number. He was SO close to just ending it with me right then and there. Not only was I a slut, but I was a liar, which was even worse. Breaking trust in a relationship is the WORST thing you can ever do. He was so angry with me for ‘pulling the wool over his eyes’..for trying to make myself appear better than I really was. I just didn’t want him to judge me for my past. I wanted him to get to know me as a person first, and l

WISHIMAY

Sunday, November 20, 2016 8:34 PM (P)

Can you idiots seriously not think for yourself without youtube??

WISHIMAY

Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:04 AM (P)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/10/parents-kill-chil
dren-fbi-data/15280259/

•Fathers are more likely to kill. Men killed six out 10 children, most often beating or shooting them. Fathers were at fault in 75% of cases when children were shot to death by a parent and in 64% of cases when a child was beaten. "Violence is a masculine pursuit," says Jack Levin, a Northeastern University criminologist.
•When mothers kill, they are far more likely to kill victims under the age of 1 than children of any other age. Nearly 40% of all children killed by their mothers were less than a year old.

So, women kill because of sleep deprivation and hormones, and men kill because they are short-tempered assholes...

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:19 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
So, women kill because of sleep deprivation and hormones

Wow.... talk about victim blaming....

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, January 5, 2017 6:27 PM (P)

I don't know if there is much truth or much to be gained from this stuff but there is a huge amount of material out there from the whole 'Men Go Their Own' or 'Red Pill' or 'Mens Rights' or 'Go Your Own Way' on the internet

MGTOW growing?
http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-lounge/mgtow-growing-9003/
Rejecting Modern Women, The Marriage Strike Hitting Women Hard, Why Men Arent Dating Women
http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=67317
current cultural climate
http://www.mgtowhq.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10589
America: What went wrong?
http://happybachelorsforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1659

as controversial as you get?

Esther Vilar - The Manipulated Man
(German: Der Dressierte Mann) is a 1971 book by author Esther Vilar. The main idea behind the book is that women are not oppressed by men but rather control men to their advantage. A third edition of the book was released in January 2009.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manipulated_Man
The book argues that, contrary to common feminist and women's rights rhetoric, women in industrialized cultures are not oppressed, but rather exploit a well-established system of manipulating men.

Vilar writes, "Men have been trained and conditioned by women, not unlike the way Pavlov conditioned his dogs, into becoming their slaves. As compensation for their labours men are given periodic use of a woman's vagina." The book contends that young boys are encouraged to associate their masculinity with their ability to be sexually intimate with a woman, and that a woman can control a man by socially empowering herself to be the gate-keeper to his sense of masculinity. Vilar states that this has been going on for some time.

Women Never Change

'Black Pill' moment in Matrix

P$rn No Longer For Men - MGTOW

The Advertisement of Love

The Exploitation Of Male Virtues

Girlfriend Pregnant By Another Man - Tom Leykis Show

Best "You are not the father" reaction on Maury

double-standards of welfare reform

News: Single Mothers Are Cancer
Turd Flinging Monkey

The Manipulated Man was quite popular at the time of its release, in part due to the considerable press coverage it received.

Vilar appeared on The Tonight Show on February 21, 1973, to discuss her book. In 1975 she was invited to a televised debate by WDR with Alice Schwarzer, who was considered as the leading representative of the women's movement in Germany at that time. The debate provoked controversy, in particular for its high degree of aggression. At one point, for example, Schwarzer claimed Vilar was "not only sexist, but fascist", and compared her book with the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer.

Vilar stated that she received death threats over the book:

So I hadn't imagined broadly enough the isolation I would find myself in after writing this book. Nor had I envisaged the consequences which it would have for subsequent writing and even for my private life - violent threats have not ceased to this date

WISHIMAY

Thursday, January 5, 2017 9:34 PM (P)

So, you really CAN'T think for yourself, and you aren't even going to address ANY of the facts about men and violence.

Gotcha.

BTW, my husband used ME. I owned the mobile home and HIS lease was up on his apartment and he had nowhere else to go. He had NO idea how much he owned in student loans.

I contacted his creditors, I put them on MY good credit, I paid them off.
I make his appointments, get his pills and supplements and deal with insurance, and run interference with his insufferable family. When he gets a leg cramp, I'm there with a hot water bottle and an aspirin. I mow the lawn, I order the supplies for remodeling the house and even built the bathroom and sided the house ON MY OWN, I wash an average of 12 loads of laundry and seven loads of dishes EVERY WEEK, I take out the trash, I make the meals, I still see that the bills are paid, I walk the dog. I plan the vacations on a shoestring budget. I'm the one that paid for having a child with MY HEALTH, for the rest of MY LIFE. I suffer the effects of his mental illness. His pills wear off and he turns into one of you morons. Uncommunicative and violent.

I even diagnosed him, and my daughter. Their health is infinitely better just because I exist.

FUCK YOU TO DEATH.

There is NOTHING about being a housewife that is EASY, and men DEFINITELY have all the advantages. I have the same health conditions my grandpa had, and they treated him like a saint. I get told "well, see a doctor" and shrugged off. I have to do everything I do, and I would actually qualify for being disabled.

All he has to do is go to work 5 days a week. I haven't had a weekend "OFF" in 18 years. I would LOOOOVE to just "go to a job."

If you can't find a woman to help you, I assure you, you are undeserving.
Being married to a good woman is a PRIVELEDGE.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, January 6, 2017 6:55 AM (P)

How far can Socialism lead?

Single Mothers and the Welfare State

Let's go with a SUPER QUOTE from....a red pill blog

Quote:

Here's the backstory: I occasionally indulge in some friendly Twitter engagement with feminists, taking a strong anti-feminist position. I'm openly and un-apologetically acting as an agent provocateur, Understand, while this may be seen as trolling, I am extremely polite in my engagements with feminists and never cross the line into "bullying". That doesn't mean that some don't get hurt feelings, but in most cases that was a pre-existing condition.

Now, while many of you will shake your heads over the utility or the practicality of attempting such engagement, I do so for higher purpose, not just because I like yanking pigtails. I'm not there to make feminists mad, I'm there to challenge and give honest criticism, to make them think more than to make them angry. I'm laying out, in as practical and simple terms as I can, why the Manosphere and men in general have taken issue with feminism, as it has presented itself. I've done this over and over again, searching for a unicorn: a feminist who is willing to look past the rhetoric of the feminist movement and address the issues with it that men and the Manosphere have.

Why would I want to do such a perverse thing? While it would be much easier to just hurl mindless vitriol, as I said, I'm not into yanking pigtails for fun. My goal is to actually open some sort of reasonable dialog between the two spheres.

So, after responding to a fairly reasonable post by a young feminist woman who was confused and upset by the anger she detected from the anti-feminist movement on the #HowToSpotAFeminist hashtag which started to get meme-y (and then posting my reply to as many retweeters of the original as I could find) a bold feminist unicorn stood forth from the herd, and responded on her blog.

To avoid any miscommunication, I'd like to reprint her post in its entirety before I respond:

Hi Ian,

thanks for your thoughtful response! I appreciate your civil discourse and lack of ad hominem attacks. Seriously.

Due to your lack of actual citation beyond the link to a blog post that itself looks at largely anecdotal data, I will also respond using broad strokes and summaries. I can provide factual citation and data from research on historical trends from non-biased sources as requested, if necessary. Also, while gender and sexuality are multivariate, not binary, in order to most directly and efficiently respond to your letter, I will mostly be talking about feminism in largely binary terms.

So, I see your hurt feelings. They are true and valid. I will not dispute that they exist. However, I think that there’s some conflation going on assigning causality in incorrect ways. I am not saying that nothing was done, or that no one did anything. Things were done. People did them. But from where I’m standing, there’s been some conflation of separate entities in what all went down.

Yes, feminism has pointed out that there are issues that exist with men, masculinity, fatherhood, and male sexuality. It has not, however, said that those categories are the issues. They have the issues. And lots of those issues have affected women at a systemic and subsequently individual level. Yes, women, femininity, motherhood, and female sexuality also have issues. And those issues have affected men on a systemic and subsequently individual level. But feminism posits, with the whole of history that I won’t repeat here to back it up, that men’s issues have had the harder hit, when it comes to the way society has shown bruises. The phrase “it’s a man’s world” is an incredibly crude phrase, but it is a good summary of what the main problem throughout history has boiled down to.

You say that feminism has not been inclusive of men’s issues. I say that this is an unfair critique. Every activist movement only has so many resources to go around. You wouldn’t cr

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, January 6, 2017 7:08 AM (P)

The Red Pill: the movie about men that feminists didn’t want you to see
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/the-red-pill-the-movie-abo
ut-men-that-feminists-didnt-want-you-t/

The Red Pill Room new history?
https://theredpillroom.blogspot.com

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

FUCK YOU TO DEATH.

LMFAO....I always find the 'red button' and you Wishimay are the ultimate Man-hating stereotype maybe not now but you will get there...eventually you might even shoot some white male....you project so easily, yes you probably do so much good but something eats at you constantly inside and in the end you care little for your civilization, your tribe or your country...maybe you are incredibly loyal and work amazingly hard for your own close family I give you that
but that anger you have, its going to rot you, eat your body, destroy your mind, maybe rot you to the core

in the terrorist attack in San Bernardino....you immediately tried to lay the blame on evil white males, evil white American men with guns if I recall
now we have four hoodrats, they kidnap and torture mentally-challenged man, chanting anti-Trump slogans
...again you managed to try turn the thread around by blaming...yes once Again - White American Men
...I think you said something like if it was the white guy doing the attacks none of those people would be alive...white California males are statistically more likely to murder or some weirdass statistic?
one of them the leaders of the gang
once again
A WOMAN, not a whiteman but a black woman

....don't worry eventually you will get things right

even a blind man throwing darts at the dart board in the dark will eventually hit the target
a news item will pop up
you will truly have something to feed the rage

and you will finally have your excuse to flip out, buy your gun and go postal
and claim years of 'abuse' or some shit

I asked you before
will ask you once again if you are so fucking unhappy to the point of your fucking insanity, what's to stop you from walking out
Going off into the sunset with some girlfriend and having your thelma and louise sista-hood so to seak

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, January 6, 2017 7:28 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Wonder why Canada's not on the list. Outside of people older than me, my friends who are in my age bracket have been divorced or never married but have lived "common law"

Not sure, will have to chat again with Canadians about this

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Has feminism broke the US family? Seems maybe some relationships have got more shallow or people have become more hollow, No Debate together, No Interests, Self Centered. The young generation are becoming more empty Miley Cyrus tastes in music, shopping for usless hangbags and fashion items, I-phone hedonistic stoner culture....is it any wonder its all failing...and the men are leaving the family game....they want to sit at home on their own buy their own car, drink their beer, play their Xbox and Playstation, watch the Baseball and Basketball until these men go old

The cause is capitalism not feminism, you nit.

Maybe it is Capitalism, I did not put the blame on Feminism I simply asked the question. I can happily be convinced 'Capitalism' is to blame for much of Americas and the West's society issues and blamed for the social ills

ECS33

Saturday, January 7, 2017 12:05 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

Modern feminism seems a little lost now.

You have a REDICULOUSLY, hilariously one sided perspective. Not gettin' any?

P.s. Most....wait....ALL of the women I know in person over forty never want to marry again. After getting stuck with scrubs that are drunken narcissists, cheaters, abusive dicks that are INCAPABLE of communicating, I don't blame them.

Should my own dearest depart, I won't ever re-marry. No more slaving to make meals that are unappreciated or watch macho crap movies or clean pee dribble off a toilet ever again. My day will be my own.

Oh, and I kill my own spiders and fix my own appliances and plumbing, thanks. Thanks to sperm banks you have made YOURSELVES TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

HERE'S TO THE RISE OF THE DAY OF WOMANKIND

Meh..I'm an engaged 29 year old male. I make about $100k a year while my spouse makes $30k as a flight attendant. She literally expects to have equal household chores despite the fact that I'm going to be funding the vast majority of everything. Why should I do this? I could probably buy the $350k house on my own and park it with a luxury car, still save money, and occasionally have sex with much hotter girls while living wholly under my terms instead of funding someone else's terms/dreams. And even if that is delusional, I always have pornography.

Feminism is the thing that is giving girls the best of every world at the expense of giving guy the worst of every world. There is literally no reason for a high paid man to marry a low paid woman if that woman expects "equality." She should have thought about that before dropping out of college and spending years in an ED clinic. If she made over half of what I made, I may feel a bit better about things.

Feminism makes a woman's income matter when it comes to courting, because men are losing all the other benefits.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, January 7, 2017 12:40 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JACKASS

eventually you might even shoot some white male....

I don't OWN a gun, dickless wonder. I'm sure you have a whole closetful. You are then far more likely to get shot.

I STILL don't see you addressing the stats that men of EVERY race are more violent. You kill TRIPLE the amount of children, you are in jail 10 times as much, you annihilate entire families, you beat, rape, steal and lie more than women AND YOU THINK WOMEN ARE THE PROBLEM??? Delusional, oblivious, and stupid is no way to go through life.

YOU are the problem. YOU have always been the problem, and always WILL be the problem with this planet.

I won't leave because I made a vow. I'm sure you wouldn't even understand the concept. The funny thing is you think women EVERYWHERE don't do all these things and MORE because men are giant babies who are opposed to cleaning up after themselves. Wallow in your own filth with a microwave burrito. My family is getting a four star dinner tonight.

I repeat .....delusional, oblivious, and stupid.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, January 7, 2017 12:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ECS33:

If she made over half of what I made, I may feel a bit better about things.

WOW, are you a shallow dick. DO HER A FAVOR and DON'T get married. You are completely unequal to the task.

I hope you get fired tomorrow, and have to live off her income. That would be great karma.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, January 7, 2017 4:10 AM (P)

Here's a story about a REAL man. None of you could ever measure up to this guy.

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/inspirational-stories/a42148/step
hanie-turner-harlequin-ichthyosis/

All along, Curtis has been my rock. He's an amazing father, and now he's my protector. When anybody stares at me at the mall or makes comments, I have to be like, "No, Curtis, it's okay. I can handle it." He's always on my side, he'll help me in any way possible, and he never, ever makes me feel less than beautiful. Anywhere he goes, he wants to make sure I go with him. Even when I'm in sweatpants, he'll say, "Come with me, baby. It's okay, you look beautiful." He'll argue with me when I say I don't.

On his way home from work, Curt often stops on the side of the road to pick my favorite wildflowers. I don't care about store-bought flowers, but I love those. When it gets hot outside or the weather changes drastically, I can't sweat, so my skin hurts and I overheat. Curtis will help me put on lotion or cool me down. He's just super-duper sweet all around, there's no way I can name all the sweet things he does.

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, January 8, 2017 9:14 AM (P)

Toxic Ape Masculinity with David Attenborough (Parody)

Camille Paglia: Transgender Mania is Sign of Cultural Collapse (as seen in the Hellenistic era, later phases of the Roman Empire, Mauve Decade, and Weimar Germany)

an even stronger version was
Why Women DESTROY NATIONS * / CIVILIZATIONS - and other UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS
by
Black Pigeon Speaks

pretty sure I strongly disagree with his vid so I won't post it but search it if you will

some more quotes from blogs, society chats, discussion boards

https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-emotional-dysregulation/

Quote:
Sorry guys it’s long but interesting (like my dick):

I am female. I support equal rights for all human beings. I am strongly against interfering with another human’s perception of gender which I feel feminism is presently involved in.

I would never have understood MGTOW if I hadn’t been doing research on the phenomenon of female emotional dysregulation during divorce. What you will find in researching this area is that women in increasing numbers are starting to display behaviors associated with personality disorders in their marriages and during and after divorce.

Women who are otherwise psychologically healthy are now becoming emotionally dysregulated.

during their marriages, often leading to disordered behavior towards their spouse.

People who work in family law have had to become familiar with the practice of female domestic violence and abuse towards their ex-spouse, parental alienation, criminal accusation during divorce proceedings, custody revenge, abuse of the family law system to attempt to destroy their ex financially and carefully carried out plans to ruin the future lives of their exes after the divorce is finalized.

Because those outside of family law still assume that women are not capable of engaging in this level of violence, criminality and anti-social behaviors toward their family members, especially when they are in other parts of their life meek and mild law-abiding citizens, any attempt to publicize this phenomenon is routinely met with derision.

To accept that this kind of behavior is common in women within domestic environments shakes our core beliefs in two ways.

why men should ignore 90% of "red pill", "mgtow", and "mens rights" arguments
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=169527933
cliffs:

-100% of of the men spreading mgtow/red pill/mra are 50 year old losers
-equal to the 50 year old femenazis telling young girls they don't need no man
-some of what they say is spot on, other parts not so much
-don't ignore women just because some phaggot on the internet told you to
-date, bang, and have fun
-women aren't your enemy.
-quality women won't have a ONS you from the club or tinder, so don't try to turn those girls into LTRs
-if you want a quality wife in her 20s, you can't wait around until you're 50 to have her.

ok phaggots

This seems to be a popular topic lately, especially with all of the lols surrounding Ryan & Dan and the flood of incels from 4chan who think you need to be a male model in order to land whales so I just thought I would put this out there. The misc loves mgtow and red pill stuff and just out of pure interest i've done a ton of reading on these subjects and while there are many truths there are also a lot of half truths and flat out lies.

TRP/mra/mgtow are all 3 seperate ideas but they have a lot of overlapping opinions, mainly that "women are useless whores and you should avoid them and become an incel"

Yes 3rd wave feminism is insane, yes divorce laws suck, yes women by their biological nature seek men with status the same way you seek women with good looks but mgtow/redpill/mens rights take it to the far extreme. There are some femenazis who hate men but guess what, most women don't.

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, January 9, 2017 2:21 PM (P)

I would say Women do and Have put up with or taken terrible Abuses from Men
It does happen and the Male Sex is the more violent Sex

....that said

I do wonder sometimes if there is a bias in the human legal system
Look not at each case as your boy or your girl
step outside your sex and species for a moment and look at a society, Planet of the Apes ruling each other
A pack of dogs with pencils, a Pride of Cats dressed up in suits

Does the Western Legal system have a bias to the female sex?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It sound to me like you've had one bad experience, and now you'd like to use the excuse that since nearly all woman are lying, you don't want to get married.

Yup its happens, some people develop tunnel vision, never do see a bigger picture....but maybe that's why I wanted to throw as much detauil and mess and numbers into this thread
after the end, we finally make sense of it all

Another
call comes in around 6:45.

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/kfi/handel-on-the-law-on-demand/e/1231
-911a-eat-a-peanut-die-48683757

Caller to the show is a retired cop. His wife, angry, drunk, evil and high on pills, fires his gun at him. She misses first shot. He disarms her and calls the police. Months later, case still pending...the poor wife so the lawyers say. Legals tell him "Might not be worth their time". A society pussy whipped gives the violent woman a Pussy-Pass, go right ahead and go criminal don't worry about the Legality of Justice system because it favors you angry woman anyways. Regardless, he's filing for divorce. But the legal expert who does the show let's him know, yep the judges and legal system always favors the woman....the hate of the male sex and like the vagina more so.....no matter how the case goes, she's still DEFINITELY taking half of his money, plus pension benefits. Those are exclusive of her actions. This is why they won't get Married to? A Fucking insane world.

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
This is what happens when men can't deal with the fact women don't wanna be shit on anymore.

So you still digging for news on War Of the Sexes

Young Man almost wins Darwin Award?
Young Woman Is an Early Contender for Cunt-Of-The-Year Award?

Young mum who left her ex-boyfriend brain damaged after drunkenly mowing him down in the street walks free because of her young son
Young woman left her ex partner brain damaged after using vehicle as deadly weapon and mowing him down in the street walks free because she popped out a kid

Katie Lomas has avoided jail despite leaving her ex brain damaged when she ran over him while drunk
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2526377/young-mum-who-left-her-ex-boyfri
end-brain-damaged-after-drunkenly-mowing-him-down-in-the-street-walks-free-because-of-her-young-son/
Lomas left victim Heaney fighting for his life with a punctured lung, fractures to the ribs and ligament damage
Judge Miss Recorder Samantha Presland told Lomas: “Three lives should not be ruined as a result of incident”

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, April 10, 2017 8:44 AM (P)

just found vid dot me

https://vid.me/PXAZ
vid . me,/PXAZ
http://vid.me/PXAZ

DREAMTROVE

Monday, April 10, 2017 8:51 AM (P)

Holy necroposted pasta, batman.

Feminism is from Fourier, la feminisme, which was his idea to lower the cost of labor, to fix a flaw in la socialisme, which it didn't, so it failed. Then it was resurrected in the 20th century as left wing socialist answer to the republican Suffragettes. A lot of leftist women fall into this, not recognizing it for what it is: identity politics.

As for the men's rights stuff, so not drinking that koolaid. Identity politics is identity politics, and when it surfaces, the last thing we need is another opposing and matching identity politics. People are people, as Morgan Freeman says. (Can't find the bill maher interview re: identity politics, so here's this one, Don Lemon, income inequality, but he does touch on it.)

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, May 12, 2017 7:25 PM (P)

Won't be long before its 17,500 views...next 20,000? or 25,000 ? clearly people are coming here from outside the fireflyfans forum?

a weird current online propaganda war with the MGTOW movement, radical feminists, red pill, black pill, neo alt 3rd wave 4th wave feminists? YouTube censorship & Alt Right false, reporting online material, flagging...

The Reason why Feminism and Beta-ness were increasing, while Alpha-ness decreases? What do red-pilled ladies think about single motherhood? We're appalled at genital mutilation of girls. What about boys (and circumcision)? in Europe illegal islamic immigration and "moslem Migrants have hard time learning not to rape women" - said Ann Coulter (Right-wing)
A banned movie "The Red Pill" is now a Popular Movie on dailymotion, YouTube, Vimeo. Hitting the wall? a prediction on rational male blog: and we have okcupid numbers and statistics over this: https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/07/03/ok-cupid-data-on-sex-
desirability-and-age/

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

Feminism is from Fourier, la feminisme, which was his idea to lower the cost of labor, to fix a flaw in la socialisme, which it didn't, so it failed. Then it was resurrected in the 20th century as left wing socialist answer to the republican Suffragettes. A lot of leftist women fall into this, not recognizing it for what it is: identity politics.

Keep walking?
https://mirror.ninja/63qhld

Oh Sh--t

oh snap they went there

10 Reasons Why Foreign Women Are Better Than American Women
http://www.returnofkings.com/22358/10-reasons-why-foreign-women-are-be
tter-than-american-women

Quote:

Maybe I'm all messed up?

I know you hear this 100 times but I will say it again, the drinks will kill you. You need to Lay off the drink dude, your alcohol addiction will kill you. If youre just one of these normally addicted people then I don't know take up a hobby or move to a state where I dunno...where maybe 'weed' is legal, not say it will solve all your problems but it might save your Liver, Kidneys, Alcohol damaged body

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

Identity politics is identity politics, and when it surfaces, the last thing we need is another opposing and matching identity politics.

agreed, the movement will probably go nowhere, thanks for the Morgan Freeman clip he's always interesting to listen to

more online community?
https://discordapp.com/invite/Jqn4RZG

and here
https://www.mgtowhq.com/index.php
more?
https://happybachelorsforum.com/

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, May 12, 2017 7:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I know you hear this 100 times but I will say it again, the drinks will kill you. You need to Lay off the drink dude, your alcohol addiction will kill you. If youre just one of these normally addicted people then I don't know take up a hobby or move to a state where I dunno...where maybe 'weed' is legal, not say it will solve all your problems but it might save your Liver, Kidneys, Alcohol damaged body

That's got to be a post to me.

Been a while since you've been around here. This is an old thread you dug up bud. Been off the drink now for over 4 months and trying to put my life back together bit by bit. All good advice you've got there. I've actually picked a few of my old hobbies back up. Drinking a bit too much coffee now, but better to do that and level out from the stimulants instead of trying to crawl out of the hole of depressants I was mired in.

Unfortunately, I moved to what will probably be the last state to legalize weed. I'm in the market for a job too, so until they change the laws I'm going to have to pass a drug test so even the black market stuff is off the table for the foreseeable future.

It's been my most productive 4 months in about 5 years. Hope you're doing well yourself. Take it easy.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, May 12, 2017 8:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I know you hear this 100 times but I will say it again, the drinks will kill you. You need to Lay off the drink dude, your alcohol addiction will kill you. If youre just one of these normally addicted people then I don't know take up a hobby or move to a state where I dunno...where maybe 'weed' is legal, not say it will solve all your problems but it might save your Liver, Kidneys, Alcohol damaged body

That's got to be a post to me.

Been a while since you've been around here. This is an old thread you dug up bud. Been off the drink now for over 4 months and trying to put my life back together bit by bit. All good advice you've got there. I've actually picked a few of my old hobbies back up. Drinking a bit too much coffee now, but better to do that and level out from the stimulants instead of trying to crawl out of the hole of depressants I was mired in.

Unfortunately, I moved to what will probably be the last state to legalize weed. I'm in the market for a job too, so until they change the laws I'm going to have to pass a drug test so even the black market stuff is off the table for the foreseeable future.

It's been my most productive 4 months in about 5 years. Hope you're doing well yourself. Take it easy.

January 26, 2016 doesn't seem all that old. This thread has been updated here and there.

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, May 12, 2017 8:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
January 26, 2016 doesn't seem all that old. This thread has been updated here and there.

True. Time seems to slow down a lot when you're not lost in a drunken "Groundhog Day" loop. So much wasted time....

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:09 AM (P)

How often a man stab someone and get off with no jail time? Is it almost never ever? But here's yet another young woman getting no punishment...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4510778/Student-stabbed-lover-
spared-jail.html
Women stabs man with a knife... spared jail by a judge because she's a possible student doctor in the future, 'extraordinary.'

another gem from the WaPo

judges can let them off with murder scot-free, officers that grab a perp who identify as a woman and you get off scot-free?
the female sex don't get punished anywhere near as much as men, so we need to be easier on them...
and the stereotype is women are bad at logic

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:18 AM (P)

The Red Pill: Netflix says no, Nimbin says yes
https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/controversial-film-the-red-pill-s
ceening-in-nimbin/3176948/

Banning of “The Red Pill” movie .... too much TRUTH
https://gab.ai/HealthRanger/posts/7897139

Police investigate gun-related threat at the screening of controversial movie The Red Pill.
http://www.mamamia.com.au/the-red-pill-screening-queensland/

Netflix bans “The Red Pill” movie because it contains too much TRUTH
http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-17-netflix-bans-the-red-pill-movie-
because-it-contains-too-much-truth.html#

Netflix Declines Streaming Hit Documentary ‘The Red Pill’
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/05/08/netflix-declines-streaming-hi
t-documentary-the-red-pill/

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:52 PM (P)

I just saw an interview with Cassie Jay on YouTube last night by Sargon of Akkad. I'll be watching The Red Pill.

Shame that Netflix doesn't want to show it, but "Dear White People" was heavily advertised.

Good thing there's Kodi.

WISHIMAY

Friday, June 30, 2017 9:24 AM (P)

A Harvard study from December found that patients treated by female physicians are less likely to die of their symptoms and are less likely to return for more treatment.

The study concluded that if all doctors performed as well as the women doctors, it would save 32,000 lives every year.

Women patients are more likely to be misdiagnosed than males when it comes to heart attacks and the mistake can be deadly, according to a January 2016 study by the American Heart Association.

This is because women have different symptoms of heart disease and if not recognized in time, it could prevent them from having life-saving treatment.

WISHIMAY

Friday, June 30, 2017 9:33 AM (P)

A study by the Higher Education Policy Institute (HEPI), the independent university think-tank, debunks that finding as a myth.

It finds that not only do women outnumber men overall at university, they also outnumber them at every type of university. They are also more likely to get a good degree pass (a 2:1 or a first) and are less likely to drop out

WISHIMAY

Friday, June 30, 2017 9:39 AM (P)

They say women are horrible drivers, but did you know men are 77% more likely to die in car accident? Sounds bizarre, but the Carnegie Mellon University carried out tests to prove that men are more careless while driving.

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, June 30, 2017 11:20 AM (P)

Talking to yourself on a thread that's been dead for over a month. Three worthless tidbits of pro-femme information.

What's the matter Wishy? Somebody make you feel like a 2nd class citizen for being a woman today?

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:01 AM (P)

The Red Pill: Opening up debate to include a voice for men and fathers

https://www.therebel.media/the_red_pill_opening_up_the_debate_to_inclu
de_a_voice_for_men_and_fathers

The Red Pill, the film that documents feminist Cassie Jaye’s journey into the men’s rights movement, was deemed controversial thanks to vocal complaints by feminists and SJWs and as a result, screenings have been shut down in venues across the globe.

The film became a target because it addresses some of the uncomfortable realities that many people aren’t aware of...

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Talking to yourself on a thread that's been dead for over a month. Three worthless tidbits of pro-femme information.

What's the matter Wishy? Somebody make you feel like a 2nd class citizen for being a woman today?

Don't worry I will talk to her for a while

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay: men kill because they are short-tempered assholes...

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
...the one where he beats her up and goes to jail because the stats for rape, murder and spousal abuse are overwhelmingly MALE...

So Wishi how far does your Mdoern Feminism allow you to discuss this subject, would you care to explain why African-American Females are More Violent than White American Males, The Females Are More Murderous...are you allowed to freely discuss a subject like this?

just wondering...?

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:38 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

just wondering...?

If you hada live with the shit black men do, wouldn't YOU wanna kill something?

We all know black people are more violent than whites. Women AS A WHOLE are still less violent than men AS A WHOLE, in every race. I never said ALL white males were evil, just that they aren't the saints and geniuses they think they are. The fact that you guys are so sensitive to that, tells me a LOT.

Most days I wish I was Asexual. Add it to Agnostic, and I can watch all the genders, races, and religions squabble yourselves to death. Petty shit to fight over, but I didn't start the thread, or the MGTOW CULT.

You wanna go your own way, GREAT. Just don't pretend for one second that you are better than...

AWOMAN

Saturday, August 12, 2017 1:56 AM (P)

I was a teen in the late 70s / early 80s. Poor male behavior influenced me to become an independent woman. My father was horrible to my mother and was constantly trying to get some on the side. Additionally, I grew up in the era where it become horrible to "trap" a man. "Trap" became equated to an unplanned pregnancy and so instead of "trap" abortion became the way to "un-trap" both genders from shot gun marriages. But with abortion came the notion of easy free sex and no one was trustworthy to be faithful. Marriage was no longer a sought out institution instead the view was being changed to "a unhappy, life sucking trap".

Is all the above "feminism"? Or a instead just a female need to support herself in a culture gone terrible wrong?

As a woman in today's anti marriage culture (which started back in the 70s), I need to support myself and I need to prepare for my own retirement. I prefer to do that via a job versus prostitution (as was used in ancient past when a women did not have a man to provide for her).

Again, did feminism due this or did the industrial revolution and the sexual revolution?

I am now a woman in her mid 50s and divorced. Upon divorce, I did not take an alimony, assets were split 50/50 per state law. I am happy for both myself and my ex that we were able to walk away from our marriage without either of us having to give the other any of our retirement accounts holdings. In the future, I see women earning more hence the issue men have with divorce and having to give up part of their retirement for a woman they want out of their life, ceasing. Isn't this exactly what men are wanting when they say the divorce laws need changing as they screw men?

As a 50ish year old woman, I can tell you that the current culture even of men my age, the chose to not grow up until they are in their mid 40s or whenever they get divorced (divorce has a way of making a man grow up). Frankly, I wished I had got divorced just 5 years into our marriage versus 25, it became a challenge raising 3 children and a child husband.

Did feminism create child husbands?

I choose today just to date, I will never remarry. I enjoy dating you men, you are interesting and full of energy but I chose to enjoy the work I do, my independence, freedom and I don't desire to have to take care of another person as I have already been a Mom to three children.

My advice to my 3 daughters has been to get a good job so that if your relationship with a man does not workout you can provide for yourself and any children you have. Many fathers will abandon their children but it is a rare mother that will abandon hers and most mothers I know want to provide a great life for their children.

Did feminism change male / female relationships and the family unit or was the culture that values freedom and independence? I think that the vast majority of men who want to blame feminism choose not to look at the larger picture instead they pine for a past period (that even they don't want to return to yet they want women to return to it).

I have several male friends that frankly, would be pretty difficult to live with, that have all went and got foreign wives. Yes, wives as they have been through numerous divorces. These men have been shocked that these marriages didn't work out. It doesn't bother me in the least American men chosing foreign wives because at the end of the day, the men who choose to be a good man to their woman (and vise versa) will be the ones that find success in marriage.

Blaming feminism lets men off the hook for their behavior. Because you know, we all know, "boys will be boys" (the letting boys to men) off the hook for poor behavior. With the current blame game, I see no end in sight, as their is not good reason for boys/guys/men to change their behavior ... their behavior is deemed normal because you know hormone, they can't help themselves. Thus as a woman, I know men can't control th

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