Act of terror

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WHOZIT

Sunday, June 12, 2016 8:07 PM

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-shooting

There won't be any way the powers that be in Washington or the MSM can label this anything else.

RIVERLOVE

Sunday, June 12, 2016 8:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

There won't be any way the powers that be in Washington or the MSM can label this anything else.

Wanna bet? Since this happened at a GAY nightclub they'll probably call it a homophobic attack. And somehow Trump will be blamed as well.

WHOZIT

Sunday, June 12, 2016 8:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

There won't be any way the powers that be in Washington or the MSM can label this anything else.

Wanna bet? Since this happened at a GAY nightclub they'll probably call it a homophobic attack. And somehow Trump will be blamed as well.

It is a homophobic attack, ISIS hates homosexuals, but anyone who tries to blame Trump for this will look like fools.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:09 PM

Quote:
Law enforcement sources told CBS News the gunman has been identified as Omar Mateen, a U.S. citizen from Port St. Lucie. Mateen was born to Afghan parents in 1986.

Motive is a slippery topic. It could just as easily have been motivated by a fanatical right-wing Xtian, or a simple homophobe.

But while motives may take a while to deduce, the mode is obvious. The definition of terrorism is to terrorize a civilian population for a political end.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SECOND

Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

There won't be any way the powers that be in Washington or the MSM can label this anything else.

I look forward to Trump’s calm and reasonable response, but to put things in perspective:

During 2014, a total of 136,000 Americans died from accidental causes, an increase of 4.2 percent over the previous year.

"Every individual has the opportunity to make choices to keep themselves safe. It's all preventable. Every accident is preventable, but it's not necessarily the [fault] of the victim," Ken Kolosh, director of the (NSC) said.
www.techtimes.com/articles/164532/20160612/accidental-deaths-of-americ
ans-reach-record-high.htm

It could happen: Trump calling for gun-control and program to reduce accidental deaths. Not likely to happen.

www.thetrace.org/2015/12/gun-violence-stats-2015/

ELVISCHRIST

Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:30 PM

The shooter was an American citizen and a homophobe.

Assault Weapon + Zealot = Mass Shooting
Assault Weapon + Homophobe = Mass Shooting
Assault Weapon + Mental Illness = Mass Shooting

I think we're starting to see the common element to mass shootings.

SECOND

Sunday, June 12, 2016 10:01 PM

Trump has responded with a certain amount of dignity:

Donald J. Trump Verified account
?@realDonaldTrump

Horrific incident in FL. Praying for all the victims & their families. When will this stop? When will we get tough, smart & vigilant?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742019961946791939

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WHOZIT

Sunday, June 12, 2016 10:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
The shooter was an American citizen and a homophobe.

Assault Weapon + Zealot = Mass Shooting
Assault Weapon + Homophobe = Mass Shooting
Assault Weapon + Mental Illness = Mass Shooting

I think we're starting to see the common element to mass shootings.

Assault Weapon + ISIS Terrorist = Terror

REAVERFAN

Sunday, June 12, 2016 10:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
The shooter was an American citizen and a homophobe.

Assault Weapon + Zealot = Mass Shooting
Assault Weapon + Homophobe = Mass Shooting
Assault Weapon + Mental Illness = Mass Shooting

I think we're starting to see the common element to mass shootings.

Assault Weapon + ISIS Terrorist = Terror

Unproven allegation = nothing.

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:10 PM

Also reports of the radical Islamic guy having explosives, Islamist Gunman, Omar Mateen Sediqqi, suspected of killing 50 people has 'some connection to ISIS' the radical Muslim attack was said to wear a suicide bomber vest. ABC, Fox, CNN, France 24 all saying terrorism BBC News interviewed the terrorists father, who said it wasn't about Islam, he just hated gays, those people....I don't hate....its the religion of peace...just hate infidels and homosexuals just like Mohammed and Islam. Can't talk about homophobia of Islam, or call out suicide bombers you might appear as racist. Local cops confirm possible radical muslim attack, the FBI just called it domestic terror.

telegraph ran a live thread during the night
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/12/florida-gay-nightclub-shoot
ing-injuries-reported-at-pulse-orland/
50 dead in Pulse nightclub attacks, Flordia is asking locals for blood

Orlando police report attacker is dead

lots of pics online
https://twitter.com/GeorgeBakhos/status/742017549613727744

https://twitter.com/hashtag/orlando?lang=en
twitter feed is very busy

1KIKI

Monday, June 13, 2016 1:00 AM

Islamic State claims responsibility for Orlando nightclub shooting (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-claim-idUSKCN0YY0VU

Now we wait for evidence to see what's really going on. Because the Tsarnaev brothers, and the married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik were initially claimed to be foreign terrorists. Instead, they were all SELF-RADICALIZED and didn't have active connections to terrorist organizations. It's possible the same is true here. In which case it's just about another US home-grown nutcase able to get weapons in the US to act out his nuttery.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

WHOZIT

Monday, June 13, 2016 1:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Islamic State claims responsibility for Orlando nightclub shooting (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-claim-idUSKCN0YY0VU

Now we wait for evidence to see what's really going on. Because the Tsarnaev brothers, and the married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik were initially claimed to be foreign terrorists. Instead, they were all SELF-RADICALIZED and didn't have active connections to terrorist organizations. It's possible the same is true here. In which case it's just about another US home-grown nutcase able to get weapons in the US to act out his nuttery.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

The Tsarnaev brothers made bombs out of pressure cookers, they don't need guns.

RIVERLOVE

Monday, June 13, 2016 1:57 AM

Just another peaceful Muslim celebrating Ramadan.

Classic

1KIKI

Monday, June 13, 2016 2:08 AM

"The Tsarnaev brothers made bombs out of pressure cookers, they don't need guns."

And that distinguishes them from nutcase Timothy McVeigh - how?

My point is that whether or not this was an act of foreign radical Islam awaits more complete information. And that the US has a long history of homegrown nutcases with no connection to foreign terrorism, who have a grotch - against blacks (Dylann Roof), Sikhs (Michael Page Wade), Democrats (Jared Lee Loughner), women (Elliot Rodge, George Hennard), and so on - or who are just plain crazy (James Holmes) - who get a weapon, USUALLY A GUN, and exercise their angry focus.

But it does beg the question, if the NRA's position is that guns don't kill people, people kill people, (and usually with guns), what plan does it have to solve the problem of mentally unstable people getting guns? Does it even HAVE a plan to address what IT claims is the problem?

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

ELVISCHRIST

Monday, June 13, 2016 6:29 AM

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 13, 2016 6:36 AM

The "This isn't about religion" line is ALWAYS going to be used to prevent retaliation from those still on the fence.

Yeah, it's still about religion, no matter what they say...

REAVERFAN

Monday, June 13, 2016 7:28 PM

Senate Republicans voted against a bill that would have prevented the Orlando shootings.

Early June 12, a mass murderer opened fire on people at a gay nightclub in Orlando, FL killing 50 and injuring over 50 more. But what if the Orlando shootings never happened? Or better yet, what if you had the chance to prevent it?

That may sound like wishful thinking from a time traveler’s fantasy, but our callous and craven Senate Republicans had a chance to stop the Orlando shootings back in December with not one, but three gun bills.

That’s right. After the tragic mass shooting in Santa Barbara CA, Senate Republicans voted down three gun bills.

According to CBS News, these three gun bills failed along sadly predictable party lines.

By a vote of 52 to 47, the Senate rejected a proposal to strengthen treatment for mental illness and substance abuse disorders.

Lawmakers voted 50 to 48 to reject a bill that would have expanded background checks for guns purchased online or at gun shows.
Additionally, they voted 45 to 54 against a bill that would have stopped people on the terror watch list from purchasing guns.
The third bill. in particular would have prevented the Orlando shooter from buying any guns because his avid following of pro-ISIS social media landed him on the terrorist watch list.

NBC News reports the suspect for the Orlando shooting is Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old US citizen whose parents came here from Afghanistan. Although he has no criminal history, the FBI has considered him a “person of interest” for the past five years because he is suspected of being an ISIS sympathizer.
As it turns out, just nine of these Senate Republicans alone have received a whopping total of over $22 million from the NRA, mostly through indirect campaign contributions.

Mitch McConnell (R-KY): $1,262,189
Roy Blunt (R-MO): $1,433,952
Pat Roberts (R-KS): $1,584,153
Tom Cotton (R-AR): $1,968,714
David Perdue (R-GA): $1,997,512
Bill Cassidy (R-LA): $2,867,074
Joni Ernst (R-IA): $3,124,773
Cory Gardner (R-CO): $3,939,199
Thom Tillis (R-NC): $4,418,833

This is disgracefully cruel and outrageous, given that an overwhelming majority of anywhere between 86 percent and 92 percent of Americans want stricter gun laws, depending on the poll and the time frame. A poll from 2013 revealed that even 74 percent of NRA members at least want universal background checks.

MSNBC adds that Dianne Feinstein angrily denounced House and Senate Republicans and their ties to the NRA lobby after last December’s votes.

“If you need proof that Congress is a hostage to the gun lobby, look no further than today’s vote blocking a bill to prevent known or suspected terrorists from buying guns and explosives. Congress has been paralyzed by the gun lobby for years, while more and more Americans are killed in mass shootings. The carnage won’t stop until Congress finds the courage to stand up to the gun lobby and protect the nation.”

And yes, many of these Senate Republicans who voted down the gun bills that could have prevented the Orlando shootings are the same ones who rejected expanded background checks in 2013, just months after the Newtown massacre.

Watch: TYT’s Cenk Uygur shows Senate Republicans arguing for selling guns to people on the terrorist watch list (while still banning them from flying on planes). http://samuel-warde.com/2016/06/senate-republicans-orlando-shooting/

ELVISCHRIST

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
The "This isn't about religion" line is ALWAYS going to be used to prevent retaliation from those still on the fence.

Yeah, it's still about religion, no matter what they say...

So the Klan represents all Christians, eh? How about Westboro Baptist? Are they typical of the Christian belief system?

Dude was a fucking American, born and raised here. A bigot, an asshole, a homophobe - a textbook Trump supporter, in other words. What he did is exactly what many in the GOP have called for explicitly, including Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee, who appear at gatherings with these exact kind of assholes.

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:58 AM

It looks like the ISIS/ terrorism theory is being dialed back into either 'self-radicalized' or 'just another nut with a gun' territory. Gun insanity might be insanity, but by God! it's OUR exceptionalist God-given insanity!

Nothing to see here.

Move along.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

WHOZIT

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Senate Republicans voted against a bill that would have prevented the Orlando shootings.

Early June 12, a mass murderer opened fire on people at a gay nightclub in Orlando, FL killing 50 and injuring over 50 more. But what if the Orlando shootings never happened? Or better yet, what if you had the chance to prevent it?

That may sound like wishful thinking from a time traveler’s fantasy, but our callous and craven Senate Republicans had a chance to stop the Orlando shootings back in December with not one, but three gun bills.

That’s right. After the tragic mass shooting in Santa Barbara CA, Senate Republicans voted down three gun bills.

According to CBS News, these three gun bills failed along sadly predictable party lines.

By a vote of 52 to 47, the Senate rejected a proposal to strengthen treatment for mental illness and substance abuse disorders.

Lawmakers voted 50 to 48 to reject a bill that would have expanded background checks for guns purchased online or at gun shows.
Additionally, they voted 45 to 54 against a bill that would have stopped people on the terror watch list from purchasing guns.
The third bill. in particular would have prevented the Orlando shooter from buying any guns because his avid following of pro-ISIS social media landed him on the terrorist watch list.

NBC News reports the suspect for the Orlando shooting is Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old US citizen whose parents came here from Afghanistan. Although he has no criminal history, the FBI has considered him a “person of interest” for the past five years because he is suspected of being an ISIS sympathizer.
As it turns out, just nine of these Senate Republicans alone have received a whopping total of over $22 million from the NRA, mostly through indirect campaign contributions.

Mitch McConnell (R-KY): $1,262,189
Roy Blunt (R-MO): $1,433,952
Pat Roberts (R-KS): $1,584,153
Tom Cotton (R-AR): $1,968,714
David Perdue (R-GA): $1,997,512
Bill Cassidy (R-LA): $2,867,074
Joni Ernst (R-IA): $3,124,773
Cory Gardner (R-CO): $3,939,199
Thom Tillis (R-NC): $4,418,833

This is disgracefully cruel and outrageous, given that an overwhelming majority of anywhere between 86 percent and 92 percent of Americans want stricter gun laws, depending on the poll and the time frame. A poll from 2013 revealed that even 74 percent of NRA members at least want universal background checks.

MSNBC adds that Dianne Feinstein angrily denounced House and Senate Republicans and their ties to the NRA lobby after last December’s votes.

“If you need proof that Congress is a hostage to the gun lobby, look no further than today’s vote blocking a bill to prevent known or suspected terrorists from buying guns and explosives. Congress has been paralyzed by the gun lobby for years, while more and more Americans are killed in mass shootings. The carnage won’t stop until Congress finds the courage to stand up to the gun lobby and protect the nation.”

And yes, many of these Senate Republicans who voted down the gun bills that could have prevented the Orlando shootings are the same ones who rejected expanded background checks in 2013, just months after the Newtown massacre.

Watch: TYT’s Cenk Uygur shows Senate Republicans arguing for selling guns to people on the terrorist watch list (while still banning them from flying on planes). http://samuel-warde.com/2016/06/senate-republicans-orlando-shooting/

He passed a back ground check, blame the feds.

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:03 AM

And he got an assault weapon because our laws insist he could! What could possibly be wrong with that? Our laws are perfect!

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:28 AM

So,
For whozit or anyone else espousing the NRA line: I asked this question earlier and didn't get an answer. Here it is again in a more expanded form:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries and 11,208 deaths by homicide, 21,175 by suicide with a firearm, 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent" for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention)."

As I understand it, the NRA's position is that it's people with guns who are the problem, not the guns themselves. Given that the NRA sees the problem as the wrong people getting guns, what is its solution for the problem as they frame it?

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

WHOZIT

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And he got an assault weapon because our laws insist he could! What could possibly be wrong with that? Our laws are perfect!

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

He did NOT have an assault weapon, an assault weapon can fire a full automatic. They are illegal to own without a special permit.

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:39 AM

So,
For whozit or anyone else espousing the NRA line: I asked this question earlier and didn't get an answer. Here it is again in a more expanded form:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries and 11,208 deaths by homicide, 21,175 by suicide with a firearm, 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent" for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention)."

As I understand it, the NRA's position is that it's people with guns who are the problem, not the guns themselves. Given that the NRA sees the problem as the wrong people getting guns, what is its solution for the problem as they frame it?

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:57 AM

I just wanna say, his ex is now saying he was gay...

My 13 yr old called it. She said "Mom, was he jealous, because a guy that takes that many selfies has GOT to be gay, right??"

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

So the Klan represents all Christians, eh? How about Westboro Baptist? Are they typical of the Christian belief system?

Dude was a fucking American, born and raised here. A bigot, an asshole, a homophobe - a textbook Trump supporter, in other words. What he did is exactly what many in the GOP have called for explicitly, including Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee, who appear at gatherings with these exact kind of assholes.

The Klan and WB represent the "Id" of Christianity. The things "good Christians" won't admit they think at night. You know how many people here are sad people were murdered, but happy they were gays?

PS. The guy was gay himself, which I believe 110%. And it's STILL about Religion. If he hadn't been told he was sick and depraved all his life, probably wouldn't be worm food now...

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:19 PM

At this late hour, the news is that it turns out he's just another loner-nutjob who was possibly a gay-leaning homo-phobe who couldn't deal with that fact. It reminded me of American Beauty; a homo-phobe who actually was attracted to men.

Plus the fact that he obsessed with lying about his "terror" connections. He professed his loyalty to several jihadists groups; some that were ideological opposed to others. All his claims, after 10 months of investigation by the FBI,
turned out to be false. He was an American born nut case, period. He was taken off the "watch" list, hence he was legally able to buy a high-powered rifle.

And so our "absolute" second amendment rights are slowly getting us killed. Ban military combat-style guns for public consumption. Anyone on the No Fly list should automatically be placed on the No-Buy List, period. Anyone with mental issues -
a.k.a "nut-cases" should be on the No-Buy List, period. Anyone objecting to that
common sense law could sue the government and have your day in court to prove you
should be allowed to have a gun, period.

This nation was built on laws, let us proceed in that manner.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And he got an assault weapon because our laws insist he could! What could possibly be wrong with that? Our laws are perfect!

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:00 PM

Quote:
PS. The guy was gay himself, which I believe 110%. And it's STILL about Religion. If he hadn't been told he was sick and depraved all his life, probably wouldn't be worm food now...

I just heard this myself. He had gay dating apps on his phone and frequented the night club. Could have been reconnaissance, but his ex-wife thinks he really is gay. Also supposedly he wasn't all that religious, but apparently his upbringing was still just enough to create some massive cognitive dissonance and reaction formation on his part.

Self-hating gay guy who happened to be Muslim. Even appeared to claim allegiance to a bunch of different entirely conflicting terrorist groups that are at odds with each other, because he thought being a terrorist is better than being gay. Pretty sad all around, especially for the victims.

Also supposedly people tried to hush up the ex-wife about him being gay. So that leaves me to wonder just how this is being politicized.

SECOND

Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

So that leaves me to wonder just how this is being politicized.

Like this, because the motivation for murder is NOT interesting, at least to me. What is interesting is how easy it is to murder:
"More Americans have died from guns in the United States since 1968 than on battlefields of all the wars in American history."
Nicholas Kristof, The New York Times, Aug. 26, 2015

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2016/06/14/the-toll-of-americ
as-gun-violence-really-is-comparable-to-war/

www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/aug/27/nicholas-kristof/
more-americans-killed-guns-1968-all-wars-says-colu/

I probably should emphasize that it is not wise to sell mass-murder tool kits to just anybody with the money. But opinions differ on that subject.

And when it finally becomes possible to build laser powered hand weapons and light-sabers, it also won't be wise to sell those, or the batteries, to just anybody with the money.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WHOZIT

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 AM

Should I change the title of this thread to "Gay Democrat kills 49"...Hmmmm?

SECOND

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 4:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Should I change the title of this thread to "Gay Democrat kills 49"...Hmmmm?

Keep it partisan. Since Trump blames Obama for Orlando, you should show Republicans solidly united against Democrats. But don't include the number, because it might change. Initially it was 50. Then 49. Some more in the ICU could die.

Quote:
“Look, we’re led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump told Fox News early Monday. “There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable. There’s something going on. … He doesn’t get it or he gets it better than anybody understands — it’s one or the other and either one is unacceptable.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/13/donald-trump-calls-obama-complicit
-in-orlando-shooting-escalating-years-of-anti-muslim-rhetoric/

WHOZIT

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 4:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Should I change the title of this thread to "Gay Democrat kills 49"...Hmmmm?
Keep it partisan. Since Trump blames Obama for Orlando, you should show Republicans solidly united against Democrats. But don't include the number, because it might change. Initially it was 50. Then 49. Some more in the ICU could die.
Quote:
“Look, we’re led by a man that either is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump told Fox News early Monday. “There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable. There’s something going on. … He doesn’t get it or he gets it better than anybody understands — it’s one or the other and either one is unacceptable.”
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/13/donald-trump-calls-obama-complicit
-in-orlando-shooting-escalating-years-of-anti-muslim-rhetoric/

I've been surprised how unified the Republicans have been, I haven't heard about any caving...yet. People are paying attention to the news so the libs are having trouble spinning this.

SECOND

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

I've been surprised how unified the Republicans have been, I haven't heard about any caving...yet. People are paying attention to the news so the libs are having trouble spinning this.

I'll take a spin:
Is this what you mean by Republicans "unified"? Bill O'Reilly is Republican. Last night his political response to Orlando is to declare war. Personally, I don't see how assigning the military to do Orlando's police enforcement and bombing ISIS in Syria will prevent more mass-murder in the USA, but that is probably because I don't have the far ranging imagination of a Republican.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:31 AM

I just thought this was odd...

Omar Mateen asked if there were any black people in the stall where she and her friends were hiding. 'I don't have a problem with black people,' Mateen reportedly said. 'This is about my country. You guys suffered enough'.

This is about "my country"?

SECOND

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I just thought this was odd...

Omar Mateen asked if there were any black people in the stall where she and her friends were hiding. 'I don't have a problem with black people,' Mateen reportedly said. 'This is about my country. You guys suffered enough'.

This is about "my country"?

Add reverse racism and patriotism to Omar Mateen's personal qualities. Patience Carter told that story about Omar.
www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-survivor-patience-carter-gunman-tried-to-
spare-black-people/

Patience Carter tells her story about Omar Mateen in her “15 Minutes of Fame”.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

ELVISCHRIST

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:01 AM

His wife says he wasn't religious at all.

His father said it wasn't about his religion at all.

His ex-wife and classmates say he was gay (ISIS would have tortured him to death just for that).

People at the club said he was there more than a dozen times.

This guy really sucks at being Muslim.

But keep buying what you're being spoon-fed by idiotic demagogues like Trump.

Shit, even Signym believes him now.

Your country is lost.

Make American Hate Again.

ELVISCHRIST

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
He did NOT have an assault weapon, an assault weapon can fire a full automatic. They are illegal to own without a special permit.

Wrong, dipshit.

These guns are advertised and sold as assault weapons, with tag lines like "Your man card has been reissued."

But let's say you're right. Assault weapons *ONLY* refer to full-auto machine guns.

Do you support an assault weapons ban?

SECOND

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

I've been surprised how unified the Republicans have been, I haven't heard about any caving...yet. People are paying attention to the news so the libs are having trouble spinning this.

Spin this:

Gun Industry Describes Mass Shootings Like Orlando as a “Big Opportunity”

In recent corporate presentations, leading gun makers celebrated the fact that consumers bought more firearms because of the December terrorist attack in San Bernardino. And, prior to the massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando on Saturday night, executives were telling investors to expect another big bump — because of the upcoming elections.

Sturm, Ruger & Co. Chief Executive Michael Fifer, speaking at his company’s annual meeting in May, noted that his company — the largest handgun manufacturer in the U.S. — saw a spike in demand that “was strongly correlated to the tragic terrorist activities in Paris and San Bernardino.” Sales eventually slowed down, but Fifer called that a “big opportunity for the distributors to step up and take on inventory” to be ready for election-related sales.

In February, on an investor conference call, Fifer had predicted that “we’ll see a step up of demand if a Democrat wins” the presidency. And if Democrats win control of the Senate, he added, gun sales will increase dramatically based on fears that a more liberal Supreme Court might restrict gun rights.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/13/election-gun-sales/

Every mass shooting is a new opportunity to make more money money money, glorious money.

Shares in US gun companies up after Orlando mass shooting
www.bbc.com/news/business-36524602
Shares in US gun companies rose on Monday following Sunday's attack on the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, in which 49 people were killed.

Smith & Wesson shares closed up 6.9% while competitor Sturm, Ruger and Company saw its shares finish up 8.5%.

Shares in US firearm manufacturers typically rise after a mass shooting.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
His wife says he wasn't religious at all.
His father said it wasn't about his religion at all.
This guy really sucks at being Muslim.

If you believe that I got some oceanfront property you'll like...

Have you SEEN who his father is, and BTW...his father is lying through his teeth. The guy has scuzzzzbucket written all over him. Wouldn't be surprised if he gave him the money for this job.

"A new message posted by the father on Facebook early Monday morning also makes it clear he could have passed anti-homosexual views onto his son."

Seddique Mateen hosts a program on a California-based satellite Afghan TV station, aimed at the Afghan diaspora in the in the U.S., called the "Durand Jirga Show."

A senior Afghan intelligence source tells CBS News correspondent Lara Logan that the show is watched by some people in Afghanistan but the primary audience is ethnic Pashtun Afghans living in the U.S. and Europe.

The Taliban Islamic extremist movement is comprised almost entirely of Pashtuns, and Mateen's show takes a decidedly Pashtun nationalistic, pro-Taliban slant; full of anti-U.S. rhetoric and inflammatory language aimed at non-Pashtuns and at Pakistan, the source told Logan."

You can't be raised by THAT and not be affected by the religion completely.

SECOND

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:29 PM

Colbert's Diagram Explains Trump's Response To Orlando

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, June 16, 2016 6:57 PM

Senate Democrats filibuster on gun violence stretches into 10th hour

"Maine Senator Angus King noted that 10 people have been killed by guns since the filibuster began this morning."
www.vox.com/2016/6/15/11948172/chris-murphy-gun-control

It's not Orlando's 49, but 10 dead is still a significant number deserving at least a fifth of the TV coverage the Orlando shooting received. Tonight, will the national news have a role-call of those names as it did for the Orlando 49? No, because 10 is too insignificant for the national news compared to 49.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Boo hoo - can't buy a gun.... what a bunch of pansies, disgraceful.

Sorry to change the subject, but that reminded me of a headline from todays Daily Mail.

'It's an insult': Disbelief of William Petit who was forced to listen to wife being raped and killed and his daughters burned alive as Connecticut court overturns killer's execution because it's 'cruel'

Cruelty shown is cruelty EARNED.
Of course these days, just forget about jail executions- call-a-cop, get free bodybag!

Yeah, I don't know where I'm going with this either.... Was in my head, is all....

THGRRI

Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Paul Ryan defending decision on cnn recently. "We need to protect the Constitution. We're not going to remove a citizen's rights (to bare arms) without due process." Haven't they already removed their right to fly?

The Republican party is on a collision course with disaster. They are falling apart. 90% percent of Americans want something done and if they side with the NRA this time, it could and should make things worse for them.

REAVERFAN

Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

He passed a back ground check, blame the feds.

Blame the Republicans. The NRA controls their every action.

WHOZIT

Friday, June 17, 2016 3:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

He passed a back ground check, blame the feds.

Blame the Republicans. The NRA controls their every action.

FYI, the "grays" at Area 51 control our actions, get it right...OK!

SECOND

Friday, June 17, 2016 5:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

FYI, the "grays" at Area 51 control our actions, get it right...OK!

"More Americans have died from guns in the United States since 1968 than on battlefields of all the wars in American history."
Nicholas Kristof, The New York Times, Aug. 26, 2015
www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/aug/27/nicholas-kristof/
more-americans-killed-guns-1968-all-wars-says-colu/

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2016/06/14/the-toll-of-americ
as-gun-violence-really-is-comparable-to-war/

THGRRI

Friday, June 17, 2016 7:14 AM

The Senate delivered a devastating blow to President Obama’s agenda to regulate guns Wednesday by defeating a bipartisan proposal to expand background checks.

It failed by a vote of 54 to 46, with five Democrats voting against it. Only four Republicans supported it.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294571-senate-rejects-tougher-backg
round-checks-on-gun-purchases

SECOND

Friday, June 17, 2016 10:53 AM

On Thursday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said President Barack Obama is “directly responsible” for the Sunday morning mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando that left 50 dead.

There’s a good reason why McCain would ignore guns and focus on Obama's foreign policy. According to data from the Center of Responsive Politics, no member of Congress has received more direct and indirect support from the National Rifle Association than the $7.7 million that has gone to McCain over the course of his career. In 2008 alone, the NRA spent more than $7.2 million in an unsuccessful attempt to defeat Obama and elect McCain, who was the Republican candidate that cycle.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/06/16/3789634/nra-favorite-john
-mccain-blames-obama-for-orlando-shooting/

“Barack Obama is directly responsible for it, because when he pulled everybody out of Iraq, al-Qaeda went to Syria, became ISIS, and ISIS is what it is today thanks to Barack Obama’s failures,” McCain said, according to The Guardian. “[Obama] pulled everybody out of Iraq, and I predicted at the time that ISIS would go unchecked, and there would be attacks on the United States of America… It’s a matter of record, so he is directly responsible… The responsibility for it lies with President Barack Obama and his failed policies.”

As McCain’s comments circulated, he attempted to walk them back with a statement where he said he “misspoke.”

ELVISCHRIST

Friday, June 17, 2016 9:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The Senate delivered a devastating blow to President Obama’s agenda to regulate guns Wednesday by defeating a bipartisan proposal to expand background checks.

It failed by a vote of 54 to 46, with five Democrats voting against it. Only four Republicans supported it.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294571-senate-rejects-tougher-backg
round-checks-on-gun-purchases

You should not that this is more than 3 years old.

THGRRI

Friday, June 17, 2016 9:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The Senate delivered a devastating blow to President Obama’s agenda to regulate guns Wednesday by defeating a bipartisan proposal to expand background checks.

It failed by a vote of 54 to 46, with five Democrats voting against it. Only four Republicans supported it.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294571-senate-rejects-tougher-backg
round-checks-on-gun-purchases

You should not that this is more than 3 years old.

These votes do not occur regularly and the point is that republicans always block smart gun legislation.

SECOND

Friday, June 17, 2016 11:01 PM

In the West, functionally speaking, “terrorist” is now a propaganda term with little meaning other than “a Muslim who engages in violence against Westerners or their allies.” It’s even used for Muslims who attack soldiers of an army occupying their country.

The scholars Remi Brulin and Lisa Stampnitzky have spent years documenting how the term “terrorist”, from the start, was little more than a propaganda tool designed to legitimize one side’s violence while delegitimizing its enemies’ violence.

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/17/why-is-the-killer-of-british-mp-jo
-cox-not-being-called-a-terrorist/

THGRRI

Friday, June 17, 2016 11:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
In the West, functionally speaking, “terrorist” is now a propaganda term with little meaning other than “a Muslim who engages in violence against Westerners or their allies.” It’s even used for Muslims who attack soldiers of an army occupying their country.

The scholars Remi Brulin and Lisa Stampnitzky have spent years documenting how the term “terrorist”, from the start, was little more than a propaganda tool designed to legitimize one side’s violence while delegitimizing its enemies’ violence.

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/17/why-is-the-killer-of-british-mp-jo
-cox-not-being-called-a-terrorist/

The problem with this logic is that in the case of DASH they claim to represent Islam and do not. They claim to be fighting for things most of their fellow Arabs do not support. They are not fighting for the Middle East to have the right to determine it's own fate. Instead they are fighting to force their warped ideologies onto everyone through terror.

ELVISCHRIST

Saturday, June 18, 2016 12:57 AM

Quote:
He passed a back ground check, blame the feds.

Specifically, blame the GOP senators who voted *NOT* to expand background checks or to stop those on terrorist watch lists from buying assault weapons.

SECOND

Saturday, June 18, 2016 3:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

The problem with this logic is that in the case of DASH they claim to represent Islam and do not. They claim to be fighting for things most of their fellow Arabs do not support. They are not fighting for the Middle East to have the right to determine it's own fate. Instead they are fighting to force their warped ideologies onto everyone through terror.

If you understood the article, you would NOT have mentioned DASH.

The article's title is: Why is the killer of British MP Jo Cox NOT being called a “Terrorist”? Because the killer is white male Thomas Mair, a Britain First affiliate. The excuse the newspapers use is that Mair suffered from mental illness which is now terror shorthand for ‘he wasn’t Muslim’ even if Mair was a Nazi. Mair had struggles with mental illness. But exactly the same was true of Omar Mateen, who slaughtered 49 people in an Orlando LGBT club last week, and he was instantly decreed to be a “terrorist” by essentially every media outlet despite those mental health issues and his obvious struggles with his own sexual orientation.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/17/why-is-the-killer-of-british-mp-jo
-cox-not-being-called-a-terrorist/

I guess I need to mention that because Omar Mateen was called a "terrorist", John McCain launched an attack on Obama because the President had not sent more troops to the Middle East to fight "terrorists" that McCain wants killed. McCain has fallen into the lazy habit of calling everybody who is a bad Muslim a "terrorist" because McCain isn't thinking straight and McCain imagined that Orlando and the Middle East were connected because everything bad is "terrorism". McCain had to retract his claim that Obama caused the killings in Orlando when somebody pointed out that doddering old fool McCain was making less sense than usual.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/06/16/3789634/nra-favorite-john
-mccain-blames-obama-for-orlando-shooting/

THGRRI

Saturday, June 18, 2016 5:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

The problem with this logic is that in the case of DASH they claim to represent Islam and do not. They claim to be fighting for things most of their fellow Arabs do not support. They are not fighting for the Middle East to have the right to determine it's own fate. Instead they are fighting to force their warped ideologies onto everyone through terror.
If you understood the article, you would NOT have mentioned DASH.

The article's title is: Why is the killer of British MP Jo Cox NOT being called a “Terrorist”? Because the killer is white male Thomas Mair, a Britain First affiliate. The excuse the newspapers use is that Mair suffered from mental illness which is now terror shorthand for ‘he wasn’t Muslim’ even if Mair was a Nazi. Mair had struggles with mental illness. But exactly the same was true of Omar Mateen, who slaughtered 49 people in an Orlando LGBT club last week, and he was instantly decreed to be a “terrorist” by essentially every media outlet despite those mental health issues and his obvious struggles with his own sexual orientation.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/17/why-is-the-killer-of-british-mp-jo
-cox-not-being-called-a-terrorist/

I guess I need to mention that because Omar Mateen was called a "terrorist", John McCain launched an attack on Obama because the President had not sent more troops to the Middle East to fight "terrorists" that McCain wants killed. McCain has fallen into the lazy habit of calling everybody who is a bad Muslim a "terrorist" because McCain isn't thinking straight and McCain imagined that Orlando and the Middle East were connected because everything bad is "terrorism". McCain had to retract his claim that Obama caused the killings in Orlando when somebody pointed out that doddering old fool McCain was making less sense than usual.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/06/16/3789634/nra-favorite-john
-mccain-blames-obama-for-orlando-shooting/

I was responding to this:

Originally posted by second:
"In the West, functionally speaking, “terrorist” is now a propaganda term with little meaning other than “a Muslim who engages in violence against Westerners or their allies.” It’s even used for Muslims who attack soldiers of an army occupying their country.

The scholars Remi Brulin and Lisa Stampnitzky have spent years documenting how the term “terrorist”, from the start, was little more than a propaganda tool designed to legitimize one side’s violence while delegitimizing its enemies’ violence."

Hear at least we use the term to describe violent acts carried out in the name of an ideology. These acts usually include killing people indiscriminately.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, June 18, 2016 8:38 AM

Orlando jihad terrorist & wife exchanged texts during rampage

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/17/reports-orlando-gunman-w
ife-exchanged-texts-during-rampage/86027272/

Orlando shooter Omar Mateen exchanged text messages with his wife at the height of the Pulse nightclub rampage, trying to draw her attention to news of the carnage, according to media reports.

CNN first reported the exchange, quoting a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation of the shooting at the popular gay nightclub that left 50 people, including Mateen, dead. NBC also reported the incident, quoting a source close to Noor Zahi Salman, Mateen's wife.

According to NBC, Mateen's mother called Salman during the early morning hours Sunday asking if she knew where her son was. Salman, according to the source, said she did not and texted him: "Where are you?"

Mateen responded: "Do you see what's happening?"

Salman replied: "No?" according to the source.

Mateen then texted: "I love you, babe."

Salman, 30, also tried calling her husband several times during the standoff, a second law enforcement official told CNN.

Salman, who married Mateen in 2011, has been cooperating with investigators. Salman allegedly told investigators that she drove Mateen to the Pulse nightclub in Orlando about a week before Sunday's shooting, suggesting that the gunman identified the target before moving forward with the attack. The development was first reported Tuesday by NBC News.

Fox News reported prosecutors are seeking to charge Salman as an accessory to 49 counts of murder and 53 counts of attempted murder and for failing to notify law enforcement about the coming attack and lying to federal agents.

SECOND

Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:17 PM

www.gocomics.com/chanlowe/2016/06/13

Second amendment cases at the Supreme Court ought to take into account the invention of the cartridge, the ammo magazine, the semi-automatic rifle and handgun. Courts have already ruled that the second amendment does not cover hand grenades or rocket propelled grenades, despite the fact that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia suggests ‘hand-held rocket launchers’ are protected under second amendment. But now that he is dead, no one heeds Scalia.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/29/602491/scalia-rocket-launc
her/

Opinions differ, as is usual.
www.quora.com/Why-is-the-Second-Amendment-restricted-to-guns

THGRRI

Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
www.gocomics.com/chanlowe/2016/06/13

Second amendment cases at the Supreme Court ought to take into account the invention of the cartridge, the ammo magazine, the semi-automatic rifle and handgun. The Supreme Court has already ruled that the second amendment does not cover hand grenades or rocket propelled grenades, despite the fact that Justice Antonin Scalia suggests ‘hand-held rocket launchers’ are protected under second amendment.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/29/602491/scalia-rocket-launc
her/

Opinions differ, as is usual.
www.quora.com/Why-is-the-Second-Amendment-restricted-to-guns

I agree. The AR15 is designed to kill at times of war. AR stands for assault rifle. I take the designers at their word.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:42 PM

Feds add Orlando gay club shooter’s father, wife to no-fly lists
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/feds-add-orlando-gay-club-shooter%E2%
80%99s-father-wife-to-no-fly-lists/ar-AAhdXeL

SECOND

Saturday, June 18, 2016 11:35 PM

In very few words Jayne has today blamed Orlando on Obama and attacked Obama for immigration. Jayne defines every Muslim criminal as a “terrorist” in this retweet:

Adam Baldwin Retweeted
WH PRESS SECRETARY @weknowwhatsbest 16h16 hours ago

Pres Obama plans to process one million Syrians into America. Relax, if only 1/10th of 1% are terrorists, that's only 1,000 Orlandos.

1,055 retweets 772 likes
6:47 PM - 17 Jun 2016
https://twitter.com/weknowwhatsbest/status/743983416891179009

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Sunday, June 19, 2016 5:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
In very few words Jayne has today blamed Orlando on Obama and attacked Obama for immigration. Jayne defines every Muslim criminal as a “terrorist” in this retweet:

Adam Baldwin Retweeted
WH PRESS SECRETARY @weknowwhatsbest 16h16 hours ago

Pres Obama plans to process one million Syrians into America. Relax, if only 1/10th of 1% are terrorists, that's only 1,000 Orlandos.

1,055 retweets 772 likes
6:47 PM - 17 Jun 2016
https://twitter.com/weknowwhatsbest/status/743983416891179009

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

His politics are shit. He is kind of a jerk.

THGRRI

Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Feds add Orlando gay club shooter’s father, wife to no-fly lists
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/feds-add-orlando-gay-club-shooter%E2%
80%99s-father-wife-to-no-fly-lists/ar-AAhdXeL

Father held a press conference and said it was the club's fault. They should have had better security, "they could have stopped my son." No lie.

Yeah more and more you see why this guy had mental health problems. Like father like son. It's the other guys fault.

1KIKI

Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:26 AM

So,
For whozit or anyone else espousing the NRA line: I asked this question earlier and didn't get an answer. Here it is again in a more expanded form:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries and 11,208 deaths by homicide, 21,175 by suicide with a firearm, 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent" for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention)."

As I understand it, the NRA's position is that it's people with guns who are the problem, not the guns themselves. Given that the NRA sees the problem as the wrong people getting guns, what is its solution for the roughly 33,000 of the wrong people getting guns?

The reason why I bring this up is because to me it doesn't matter if he was a nutcase, or an ISIS terrorist following orders, or somewhere in between. In ANY case, he shouldn't have gotten guns.

So ... what does the NRA propose to keep this from happening again, by keeping guns out of the hands of the wrong people?

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

SECOND

Sunday, June 19, 2016 4:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

So,
For whozit or anyone else espousing the NRA line: I asked this question earlier and didn't get an answer. Here it is again in a more expanded form:

As I understand it, the NRA's position is that it's people with guns who are the problem, not the guns themselves. Given that the NRA sees the problem as the wrong people getting guns, what is its solution for the roughly 33,000 of the wrong people getting guns?

More guns is always the answer. Actually that is the NRA's only answer according to an informal poll I took in Baytown Texas with four samples. The NRA position would be: “If everyone carried a gun, everyone would be safer.” Just writing that made me feel Jaynesque stupid, which is why it is only the tacit position, not the Official NRA Position.

ELVISCHRIST

Monday, June 20, 2016 5:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
www.gocomics.com/chanlowe/2016/06/13

Second amendment cases at the Supreme Court ought to take into account the invention of the cartridge, the ammo magazine, the semi-automatic rifle and handgun. The Supreme Court has already ruled that the second amendment does not cover hand grenades or rocket propelled grenades, despite the fact that Justice Antonin Scalia suggests ‘hand-held rocket launchers’ are protected under second amendment.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/29/602491/scalia-rocket-launc
her/

Opinions differ, as is usual.
www.quora.com/Why-is-the-Second-Amendment-restricted-to-guns

I agree. The AR15 is designed to kill at times of war. AR stands for assault rifle. I take the designers at their word.

Nope. AR in the AR-15 title stands for Armalite, the company that originally made it.

THGRRI

Monday, June 20, 2016 7:29 AM

Ok

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:12 AM

FarLeftist deny Orlando attack was connected to Radical Muslim ideology or Islamism

absolutely deny that Islam played any role in the terrorist attack

SECOND

Tuesday, June 21, 2016 4:55 AM

On Friday, Donald Trump offered up this comment on the Orlando shooting: "It's too bad that some of the young people that were killed over the weekend didn't have guns attached to their hip....Had people been able to fire back it would have been a much different outcome."

Presumably he figured that this was the "strong" pro-gun position, only to discover that even the NRA thinks it's not a great idea to mix firearms and alcohol. So today he walked back this comment, saying that he was "obviously" referring only to "additional guards or employees."

This is, obviously, a lie, as even the lightest perusal of his original remarks proves.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/06/donald-trump-shatters-world-rec
ord-walking-back-his-own-comments

SECOND

Tuesday, June 21, 2016 5:01 PM

www.gocomics.com/nickanderson/2016/06/21

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:38 AM

The guy has NO filter. EVERY week he says something beyond stupid and then says "I meant to say something more intelligent and less offensive than what you thought I said"...

I've known falling-on-you-ass-drunk people that have thought through their actions more than him. I don't get it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, June 22, 2016 6:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
www.gocomics.com/chanlowe/2016/06/13

Second amendment cases at the Supreme Court ought to take into account the invention of the cartridge, the ammo magazine, the semi-automatic rifle and handgun. The Supreme Court has already ruled that the second amendment does not cover hand grenades or rocket propelled grenades, despite the fact that Justice Antonin Scalia suggests ‘hand-held rocket launchers’ are protected under second amendment.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/29/602491/scalia-rocket-launc
her/

Opinions differ, as is usual.
www.quora.com/Why-is-the-Second-Amendment-restricted-to-guns

I agree. The AR15 is designed to kill at times of war. AR stands for assault rifle. I take the designers at their word.

Nope. AR in the AR-15 title stands for Armalite, the company that originally made it.

Wait a sec.
How is it that EvilJesus got something right?

SECOND

Sunday, June 26, 2016 4:25 AM

Stop ignorantly scapegoating innocent guns.
www.thenation.com/article/talking-guns-with-a-glib-sociopath/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

I've been surprised how unified the Republicans have been, I haven't heard about any caving...yet. People are paying attention to the news so the libs are having trouble spinning this.
Spin this:

Gun Industry Describes Mass Shootings Like Orlando as a “Big Opportunity”

In recent corporate presentations, leading gun makers celebrated the fact that consumers bought more firearms because of the December terrorist attack in San Bernardino. And, prior to the massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando on Saturday night, executives were telling investors to expect another big bump — because of the upcoming elections.

Sturm, Ruger & Co. Chief Executive Michael Fifer, speaking at his company’s annual meeting in May, noted that his company — the largest handgun manufacturer in the U.S. — saw a spike in demand that “was strongly correlated to the tragic terrorist activities in Paris and San Bernardino.” Sales eventually slowed down, but Fifer called that a “big opportunity for the distributors to step up and take on inventory” to be ready for election-related sales.

In February, on an investor conference call, Fifer had predicted that “we’ll see a step up of demand if a Democrat wins” the presidency. And if Democrats win control of the Senate, he added, gun sales will increase dramatically based on fears that a more liberal Supreme Court might restrict gun rights.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/13/election-gun-sales/

Every mass shooting is a new opportunity to make more money money money, glorious money.

Shares in US gun companies up after Orlando mass shooting
www.bbc.com/news/business-36524602
Shares in US gun companies rose on Monday following Sunday's attack on the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, in which 49 people were killed.

Smith & Wesson shares closed up 6.9% while competitor Sturm, Ruger and Company saw its shares finish up 8.5%.

Shares in US firearm manufacturers typically rise after a mass shooting.

ELVISCHRIST

Monday, June 27, 2016 1:14 AM

Today's episode of "Good guy with a gun:"

http://www.people.com/article/texas-mom-christy-sheats-mental-illness-
facebook-posts

Texas mom shoots her own daughters dead in the street before being gunned down by police.

Of course she was a Republican. It's Texas. She pretty much had to be. Hardcore gun nut, right-winger, Obama-hater, the whole shebang. And she killed her own daughters on her husband's birthday for no reason at all.

I'm sure this one will be labeled "mental illness" since she was white and conservative. My question is this:

If she's so goddam mentally ill that she's a danger to the lives of her own daughters, why the fuck would the GOP and the NRA want her to have more guns?

1KIKI

Monday, June 27, 2016 3:29 AM

Sad, but true.

It's only meaningful when the shooter is Muslim. All the rest of 33,000 gun deaths every year are just business as usual.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, May 11, 2025 3:25 AM

Israel says it struck gunmen attacking Druze in Syria after deadly clashes
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cze1kjn0jkjo

Florida charges Trump assassination attempt suspect with attempted murder, terrorism
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-charges-trump-assassination-attempt
-suspect-attempted-murder-terrorism

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, April 25, 2026 3:08 PM

Gazing Into Sam Altman’s Orb Now Proves You’re Human on Tinder
https://www.wired.com/story/gazing-into-sam-altmans-orb-now-proves-you
re-human-on-tinder/

Three Syrians Stab Two Germans, Leaving One Dead
https://jihadwatch.org/2026/04/three-syrians-stab-two-germans-leaving-
one-dead

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, August 23, 2026 7:39 PM

Milton Friedman the beancounter...ignores cultures...wants 'Open Borders' for the USA but not for Israel? Jewish working-class immigrants from Beregszász in Carpathian Ruthenia, Kingdom of Hungary now Berehove in Ukraine

https://x.com/boot15_vu/status/2091091937298182231#m

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