Firefly Episode Discussions

So you've watched every episode multiple times ...

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Friday, November 5, 2004 3:36 PM

It seems like I notice something new every time I watch a Firefly episode. Some I feel pretty dense for not noticing the first time around. Others are just cool little details.

This last time, watching "Serenity," I noticed the name painted on the side of the ship -- finally! Just never caught it before.

So, what little things have you noticed after multiple viewings?



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Friday, November 5, 2004 3:42 PM

I finally noticed the hologram-brain in "Ariel" starting to spaz just before River screams.....incidentally, just when Jayne begins talking about the change in plans.

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Friday, November 5, 2004 3:51 PM

-In Ariel, the bit that Wash throws at the dilapitated Ambulance is a catalyser - yup, the engine piece that caused so much trouble in OoG.

-The look on Wash's face on HoG, when Kaylee knocks him to the deck to get him out of the range of fire of burgess' men. Hi-larious.

-Also from HoG - Book: "Been following the footsteps of a carpenter for some time now." It took me a while to get this: Jesus was trained in Joseph's trade. Carpentry.

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Friday, November 5, 2004 3:57 PM

1. the blue sun logo on the crybaby transmitter in "serenity"

2. the catalyser in "ariel" as someone else mentioned.


here is another question, what are things you keep looking for but cannot find:

1. dobson's body on the ground when serenity takes off from whitefall to escape the reavers. maybe it is just too small.

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Monday, November 8, 2004 4:12 PM

I tend to notice small things like:

- the cable moving along the floor behind our BDHs in OoG when Mal is showing Zoe the ship for the 1st time.

- the guy in the hat & Hawaiian shirt who walks into the shot in Shindig.

- one of the candles on Simon's birthday cake being out one second, and lit the next in OoG.

Just to name a few....

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Monday, November 8, 2004 6:23 PM

Dobson's wedding ring in the pilot. Makes me cheer just a little less when Mal caps him.

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Monday, November 8, 2004 8:12 PM

The hand that guides the "Mule" off of Serenity by the front bumper in The Pilot "Serenity". I guess they may have shot this scene after the one that comes later where Nathan almost gets run over.....little more cautious this time?

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Monday, November 8, 2004 10:10 PM

In OMR, when Mal and YoSafBrig are sitting and talking in the engine room (about ten minutes into the episode), there is a three second shot where she is completely in shadow and can't be seen, but is well-lit before and after. Just noticed that last Friday.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Tuesday, November 9, 2004 9:01 PM

I just rewatched every single episode this weekend while house sitting at a friends... who has a big screen TV! Yay!

It has been a while so it was almost like watching them for the first time.

What I noticed this time around...
The cars driving back and forth in the distance behind Zoe and Jayne in 'War Stories'.
And
I still have a hard time concentrating for a bit after the scene where Simone is talking to Early without his shirt on in 'Objects in Space'.

I also noticed that Jayne is almost always wearing something that has a stain on it somewhere!LOL.


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Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:46 PM

OK, here's something I noticed just last night. In "Serenity", the control yoke for Inara's shuttle (that she leaves upside-down when taking off) is black, but in "Jaynestown" the yoke in her shuttle is white. Nit-picky, but true!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Monday, November 15, 2004 6:14 PM

I'm remembering here, so I could screw this up - just a disclaimer:

In the commentary for "Shindig," they mention that Zoe's necklace (the leather cord-thingy) is essentially her wedding ring - she never takes it off, etc.
Two problems - She does take it off (Also "Shindig" - the sex scene) and she's already wearing it in OoG. So yeah, noticed that.

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Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:19 PM

I just got that Tracy is muttering the song "Beans in my Ears" at the start of the flashback in The Message. Always thought it was random mumbling. Shoulda known...

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Thursday, January 6, 2005 7:00 PM

BeenWithaWarriorWoman:

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In the commentary for "Shindig," they mention that Zoe's necklace (the leather cord-thingy) is essentially her wedding ring - she never takes it off, etc.
Two problems - She does take it off (Also "Shindig" - the sex scene) and she's already wearing it in OoG. So yeah, noticed that.



You're remembering correctly. That commentary is the only one I won't listen to again, because the obvious mistake with the necklace just irritates me no end.

On top of which, Buffy (and, I think Willow) wears something similar in one or two episodes. Can't recall which, not gonna do the research.

Most of the other "blooper"-type stuff is noticed by cast/production team/other commentators, so it doesn't bother me so much. Maybe the necklace thing, being a costume detail, bothers me because I have a background in costume, and making such a mistake in the commentary just reminds me I could've done that job. I mean, not that I applied, interviewed, and was turned down, or anything, just that, as a costumer, I would've been a little more careful with that kind of detail. And, let me say, the majority of the costuming was fantastic, so it's not like I think the costumer did a bad job, overall.

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Friday, January 7, 2005 3:52 AM

Well, did they say it was LIKE her wedding ring, or it WAS her "wedding ring"?

Because there IS a difference.

If it's just LIKE...you could say it's like her wedding ring simply because she never takes it off. Most people don't take off their wedding ring (or at least aren't supposed to).

I don't know, I haven't listened to the commentary, so I have no clue as to the context of the statement.

Simon: You...you came for us.
Mal: You're on my crew.
Simon: Right. I guess I just didn't...you don't even like me.
Mal: You're on my crew. Why we still talking about this?

-Safe

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Friday, January 7, 2005 4:48 AM

The costume designer said (because I was compulsive enough to stick the DVD in the player and get it verbatim): "Zoe's necklace is representative of her marriage bond to Wash, and that's why she never takes it off."

/smug



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Friday, January 7, 2005 12:34 PM

;) Maybe the one she had in Out of Gas broke, so Wash gave her an identical one as a wedding ring.

Simon: You...you came for us.
Mal: You're on my crew.
Simon: Right. I guess I just didn't...you don't even like me.
Mal: You're on my crew. Why we still talking about this?

-Safe

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Friday, January 7, 2005 4:02 PM

Yeah, that's it!

"There is no grace under pressure for a cat on fire." Cosi

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Friday, January 7, 2005 7:02 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJester:
OK, here's something I noticed just last night. In "Serenity", the control yoke for Inara's shuttle (that she leaves upside-down when taking off) is black, but in "Jaynestown" the yoke in her shuttle is white. Nit-picky, but true!



Good catch! I've added it to the FF Bloopers Page:
http://www.browncoats.com/main.php?parent=405a8603e9a13&line=3e546f888
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Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

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Friday, January 7, 2005 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by nedward:
I just got that Tracy is muttering the song "Beans in my Ears" at the start of the flashback in The Message. Always thought it was random mumbling. Shoulda known...



LOL! I always wondered what he was saying. You've got good ears! I added this to the bloopers/easter eggs page also.

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

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Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:18 PM

I re-watched up to and including OOG this past weekend and it just occurred to me that as soon as Mal got the catalyzer from the other evil-but-still-kinda-hot captain, he should have gone and hit the red button right away, instead of waiting until he installed the part.

I mean, he could have hit the button and then passed out and when everybody got back, Kaylee could have installed the part lickety-split and Simon could have patched up Mal and then Mal would not have had to stick that needle in his own heart and stuff! Or am I just being too logical and ruining an excellent ep?

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Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:00 AM

Mal had to install the catalyzer first to get the engine running and the life-support working, otherwise he would have run out of air and probably died before the others returned.

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Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:31 AM

I guess what I meant to say is, he COULD have hit the button first and then did the needle thing. OR did the needle thing first and then the button and then the installing the catalyzer part. Or whatever. In anycase, the others would at least have been headed back sooner, because he had the necessary part in his (admittedly bloody) hands. See?

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Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:41 AM

Mal couldn't hit the red button first, cuz then there wouldn't have been much dramatic setup involving the crew returning on their own. Would there? So there, hah.

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Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:44 AM

Hmmm. I certainly know what the annoying thing in THIS thread is!!



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Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:54 AM



Have we made up now?

Unthreadishly (pardon the zoidism),


--The trouble with worse is that it always seems normal.--

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Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:39 AM

All good catches, though in reference to the person who noticed the Blue Sun logo on the crybaby in "Serenity" -- I think it's just irony that they used a Blue Sun product (soda? paint?) to make their little device. It also sets up that there's something called Blue Sun, which I never even noticed until I bought the DVD's and listented to the commentaries (I'm dumb). Yes, even though River slashes the logo on Jayne's shirt. I thought she was just being River.

In "Our Mrs. Reynolds," just before Saffron kicks Wash, he starts to say (regarding Zoe), "In fact, the first time we met, she actually tried to f(thud)."

I always wondered what she tried to do, but watching it the other day, I realized he also gets the "r" out and part of the vowel; the word is "frisk." High comedy.

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Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:01 AM

I've got a few corrections to make to http://www.browncoats.com/main.php?parent=405a8603e9a13&line=3e546f888
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(sorry if anyone else has said anything)

"When we first encounter the Reaver ship, it and Serenity fly extrememly slowly past each other, which makes for good dramatic effect, but doesn't make much sense (as Joss admits in the commentary)"

Plenty of ways to explain this. It's a freakish coincidence, by any explanation, but not neccessarily a blooper ;) The reavers could be just beginning to speed up after leaving a planets orbit (the planet would have to be moving in serenity's general direction), and they just happened to match Serenity's speed at the time. Spatial physics, people!


"The lady in a burkha on the train is shown carrying a baby in the background when everyone has to get off the train. Watch her, a jeep passes by her quite slowly and she doesn't notice and walks right into it, baby's head first!"

I never laughed so hard in my life!


"When Zoe says "Ship powered down on its own" there's no staticy clicking sound of the suit communicators turning on and off before and after she speaks, although the sound is present in all of her other lines while suited."

If you listen throughout the whole sequence, the clicks are sporatic anyways. Sometimes they're very soft, sometimes very loud.


"After Mal punches Saffron, CGI snowflakes fall behind his head -- indoors!"

Definately not CGI. I'm thinking more along the lines of a lot of dust caught in a beam of light. Haven't any of you ever seen this in your own house?


"When River shoots the three guards dead, the shot of the docking bay (when Kaylee looks out) is reversed. The office with the window is on the left instead of the right."

Check again ;) The 'office' was always on the left.


"When the ship is backing up into the ice cave the engines are pointed in the wrong direction for it to actually go backwards!"

Again, not understand physics here! Wash would've already turned the engines in the opposite direction of the ice cave to give the ship momentum to get into it. The shot we see would be wash turning the engines towards the cave to slow the ship down, and not smack into the back of the cave.


"When Chari lets Rance in the back door, there is a HUGE TRUCK or TRAILER thing behind him (you have to slow down the playback to see a good look at it)."

Yep, but it's also there when Book sprays the folks off the horses with the water hose. Looks to me like it's supposed to be there. By the way, it's labelled "Andersons" on the side.


Finally, I have one of my own to add:
In The Message, when Wash puts Serenity into a nose dive to avoid the falling rocks, watch the scene where Zoe and Book are thrown forwards. They're both laughing ;)

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Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:20 PM

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Originally posted by PotemkinVillager:


Have we made up now?

Unthreadishly (pardon the zoidism),


--The trouble with worse is that it always seems normal.--



'course!

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Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:09 PM

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Originally posted by sneaker98:

Finally, I have one of my own to add:
In The Message, when Wash puts Serenity into a nose dive to avoid the falling rocks, watch the scene where Zoe and Book are thrown forwards. They're both laughing ;)



Heh...there's one you missed, Mr. "You don't understand physics"-type person! Think about what you just wrote -- it's not the laughing that's the biggest blooper in that scene with the nose-dive.

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Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by Shiny:
Quote:

Originally posted by sneaker98:

Finally, I have one of my own to add:
In The Message, when Wash puts Serenity into a nose dive to avoid the falling rocks, watch the scene where Zoe and Book are thrown forwards. They're both laughing ;)



Heh...there's one you missed, Mr. "You don't understand physics"-type person! Think about what you just wrote -- it's not the laughing that's the biggest blooper in that scene with the nose-dive.


Yeah yeah, I know. They'd be thrown backward with the ship doing a nosedive.. but lets just assume the gravity generator somehow reversed it

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Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:39 AM

I like to think that for all of the lines where River just mumbled Summer Glau came up with things that River might have said if she were able, these are things that I have noticed from re-watches based on what she mumbles:

In Shindig when Book, Simon and Jayne are playing "Tall Card" for the household chores River starts destroying some of the labels and boxes some of there food is in, mumbling all the while. I checked the subtitles which showed practically nothing revealing ("River mumbles incoherently") but by cranking the volume up I noticed she said "they're the one's, they're the one's who are doing it, who get to..." mumble mumble. And also the only stuff she destroys are Blue Sun products. Hmmm.

In Bushwhacked (I think, I'm terrible with the names - the one with the Reaver survivor) River wakes up screaming at the same time that this survivor wakes up in the sickbay, and it is obvious that she shares some psychic connection with him. I like to think that she has - while he was sleeping - been able to read the part of him which still knows who he is and has then felt that slip away into the nightmare of what he has become when he wakes up. What she says when she wakes up is "Jason!... No..". Ok not exactly conclusive by any measure, but It keeps me happy.

"So...You're a bounty hunter"
"No, thats not it at all"
"So what are you?"
"I'm a bounty hunter".

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Saturday, January 29, 2005 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by BobSunCorp:
... River starts destroying some of the labels and boxes some of there food is in, mumbling all the while. I checked the subtitles ...

You may like to check out the shooting script on the wiki http://www.fireflywiki.org/103.html which has this as
Quote:


RIVER
These are the ones that take you!
Little ones in the corner that you
almost don't see. But they're the
ones that reach in and do it.
They're the ones with teeth and you
have to smash them!


Quote:


RIVER
A million things, and the
little ends of the roots go
everywhere and when you
brush your teeth or all the
little blue things are
there but no one says it
because, because sometimes
they're afraid. And then
they come....


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Monday, January 31, 2005 3:13 AM

I like to see what they use as backgrounds in the sets, especially the outdoor type shots. In Shindig when they are outside the dressshop they are standing infront of a green and white thing with windows and an orange light. Looks to me like the side of a double decker bus with the indicator. Could be wrong but I like the idea of using something everyday out of context.

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Thursday, February 3, 2005 1:16 PM

I finally noticed the shot of Mal's gun at the beginning of the opening credits.

(It appears once the Firefly logo comes onto the screen.)

The amount of times I've seen those credits...

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 9:59 PM

I finally figured out that Mal's line to Kaylee "I'd like to be the king of all Londinum and wear a shiny hat" refers to a "spiffy" hat. For some reason I kept thinking that the "hat" was in some way light-reflecting. You'd think that with all the times I've seen this show I'd understand shiny in future slang, but in this scene I never caught it.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 11:14 PM

Oh my god, I've been thinking the same thing! LOL, how stupid of us...'that the hat was in someway light reflecting'
haha..sigh..

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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 12:09 AM

God, I feel like a fool. I just thought the image of him wearing a literally-shiny, metallic hat was so funny that its intended meaning didn't even register.




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Friday, February 11, 2005 11:01 PM

On "Serenity," after River is pulled out of the cooler, for the rest of the episode she is wearing Inara's robe.

At the beginning of "The Train Job," the belly dancer shimmies on over to Mal and the others, and hands Mal some bit of paper. It is this same bit of paper that Mal holds up later on the bridge as he says, "We have ourselves a job." The belly-dancer was the contact.

Also on the "Train Job," as River wanders around the infirmary, a light hits her face and she shudders. Photophobia.

Also, regarding "Bushwacked," just an overall thing, this episode is designed like "Train Job," to be the first episode you might watch. Like at the beginning, when Simon goes over his and River’s whole back-story with Inara (which she already knows), or the interrogation scenes with Harkin.

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Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:55 PM

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Originally posted by BobSunCorp:
In Bushwhacked (I think, I'm terrible with the names - the one with the Reaver survivor) River wakes up screaming at the same time that this survivor wakes up in the sickbay, and it is obvious that she shares some psychic connection with him.


In Safe, River is dancing happily but stops, with a horrified look on her face. The way the ep is edited (& this may be no more than artistic license, but I think it's even cooler if taken literally), she doesn't stop when Book is shot; she stops when Mal notices Book has been shot.

I suppose she may have stopped 'cause she saw Simon was about to be snatched but, she seems to react calmly to imminent (also, point of interest, immanent) disaster, in Outa Gas.

Keep the Shiny Side Up

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Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:29 AM

Just noticed in the beginning of Objects in Space, when River's laying in bed, she hears a whispered mishmash of voices. The last one seems to be Early saying, "We're all just floating." So she probably knew he was around long before everyone else.

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Friday, March 4, 2005 9:17 PM

I was definately surprised when I noticed what Early says about Book.

After Simon points out that he just attacked a shepherd Early says: "He's no shepherd" with such a sound of digust. First time I realized that there must be more to Book then he lets on.

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Sunday, March 6, 2005 8:04 PM

They started showing The Shield here a few weeks ago and a few days ago I was watching 'Our Mrs. Reynolds' with a friend, and I noticed one of the "wreckers" was played by Benito Martinez who plays Captain Aceveda on The Shield. Weird seeing someone who's these days an established actor on a popular show in a guest role with about ten seconds of screen time.

Also I guess I'll mention what I've already said on the episode page about Out of Gas: In Serenity Kaylee asks Mal to get a compression coil. In OoG when Mal tells the other ship's captain what's broken, he asks "Sure it's not the compression coil?"

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Sunday, March 6, 2005 8:34 PM

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Originally posted by thiefjehat:
I finally figured out that Mal's line to Kaylee "I'd like to be the kind of all Londinum and wear a shiny hat" refers to a "spiffy" hat. For some reason I kept thinking that the "hat" was in some way light-reflecting. You'd think that with all the times I've seen this show I'd understand shiny in future slang, but in this scene I never caught it.



I assumed he meant a crown - if he were the King of Londinium and all. "Shiny hat" is an odd name for a crown, but that's what a crown is. I hadn't thought about the term "shiny" in the Firefly-slang sense.

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Wednesday, March 9, 2005 10:10 PM

It is indeed Early. If you listen to the commentary for OIS, Joss states clearly that it is Early's voice we hear. You'll also notice that River sleeps through the other voices but snaps awake at Early's voice.

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Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:23 AM

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Originally posted by Quicksand:
All good catches, though in reference to the person who noticed the Blue Sun logo on the crybaby in "Serenity" -- I think it's just irony that they used a Blue Sun product (soda? paint?) to make their little device.



It's a coffee can, according to the commentary.

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Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:05 PM

i started watching my second dvd set t'other day and noticed that the can actually says caffeine on it.

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Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:27 PM

If you pay even closer attention to the crybaby you'll see that it's "Crybaby #6", indicating that they've pulled this gag 5 other times. The #6 is visible during the second shot of the crybaby rotating in space.

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Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:04 PM

The thing that bugs me about the crybaby is that they don't use one in bushwacked. Seems like a pretty similar situation. Would have been helpful for getting away from the alliance too.

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Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:57 PM

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The thing that bugs me about the crybaby is that they don't use one in bushwacked.


I noticed that too - I figure either
a) they'd run out of them or
b) Joss didn't want to get leaning on it as a plot device

or a) because of b).

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Friday, March 11, 2005 8:20 PM

Just watched Safe last night and I did notice something that I never noticed before. When Mal talks to Simon about taking River to town while he takes care of the deal with the cattle, there is a split second scene of a rustle in some bushes. I think this is supposed to show that the kidnapping hill folk were there listening in. I always did wonder how they knew Simon was a doctor. Now I know.

Such a great show. I like how they don't have to bang the audience over the head with every little detail. It's assumed that the audience is intelligent and will pay attention enough to pick up on things.

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Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:45 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Just watched Safe last night and I did notice something that I never noticed before. When Mal talks to Simon about taking River to town while he takes care of the deal with the cattle, there is a split second scene of a rustle in some bushes. I think this is supposed to show that the kidnapping hill folk were there listening in. I always did wonder how they knew Simon was a doctor. Now I know.




I CAN'T FREAKING BELIEVE IT.... I too just watched Safe, and I too wondered the same thing. I just saw this thread and thought it would be a great place to post my, "how'd they know Simon was a Dr." question. And here it is. I'm so frustrated by the timing that I'm going to ask anyway...
Hey, in Safe, how in the world did those hill folk - that spent a lot of time lurking out of site in bushes - know that Simon was a Dr.??!! There's no way they could have known that that I can figure... no possible way...

I'd like to be king of all Londinum and wear a shiny hat.

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Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:15 PM

Ahh...I finally noticed something new just today while watching the pilot episode again.

After Kaylee is shot by the Fed and simon is operating on her there are a couple shots of her laying on the medical table. One shot has Kaylee's left leg in frame and you can see clearly that she has stitched a teddy bear into the pantleg of her mechanics overalls. I thought that was endearing. Here's Kaylee who's such a girly girl she actually stitched a teddy bear into her work clothes.

After observing the bear I paid attention to any other shots of her in the episode just to see if there are other cute things worth noticing and I found one other...she has a little red heart on the front of her overalls too. You can see the heart when she places her hands on her hips after Mal says "I don't think there's a power in the 'verse can stop Kaylee from being cheerful".



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Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:43 PM

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Originally posted by thiefjehat:
Ahh...I finally noticed something new just today while watching the pilot episode again.

One shot has Kaylee's left leg in frame and you can see clearly that she has stitched a teddy bear into the pantleg of her mechanics overalls. I thought that was endearing.


ah, you should have listened to Joss' commentary,
he even called attention to the Teddy bear,
he felt it very much symbolized Kaylee...

Actually I should rewatch the commentaries...
I've watched the episodes many times,
but each of the commentaries only once.

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Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by Aziraphale:
Dobson's wedding ring in the pilot. Makes me cheer just a little less when Mal caps him.




Could have just been for show, part of his 'cover'. On the other hand, seeing how he knocked Book even after he was out, Dobson might enjoy violence, including the kind which involves a spouse.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by JustAnotherMudder:
I still have a hard time concentrating for a bit after the scene where Simone is talking to Early without his shirt on in 'Objects in Space'.



That was a great wardrobe decision.

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Sunday, March 13, 2005 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by KaySky:
Quote:

Originally posted by JustAnotherMudder:
I still have a hard time concentrating where Simone is without his shirt on in 'Objects in Space'.



That was a great wardrobe decision.


I always thought it was too bad they had him put on his sweater...
Early should have made him stay all half naked & vulnerable....
sigh

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Monday, March 14, 2005 1:12 PM

Found another tidbit. I had decided to watch the pilot with the english subtitles on and noticed something new. When Book is walking and looking at ships at the start of the pilot, the guy from the Brutus tries to lure him in and asks "What's your des Grandpa?" I would assume that "des" is future slang for "destination". So I suppose I can now add "des" in my slang library along with shiny, 'verse, gorram, and others

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:09 PM

I just noticed today that Badger has TWO scales on his desk.

I saw this when I wondered to myself what things Badger thought were important enough to have at hands reach. When he moves to sit in his chair in the pilot episode you can pause the DVD to see what he has. To the right of the screen are 2 measuring scales. One is a chemists "pan scale" and the other is a merchants "Hanging scale". I was curious why he would need both in his daily business activities.



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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:06 PM

It took me about 5 viewings of Our Mrs. Reynolds to notice this one. When Kayhlee is comforting Saffron and saying how Mal is like a monster and makes everybody cry, Jayne's fingerless-gloved hand comes in from the right and strokes her on the shoulder with his pinky, as if he were comforting her too. I couldn't stop laughing.

I also finally noticed in War Stories, the look that Simon gives Book (or rather the back of his head) after he says, "I was there, son. I'm fair sure you haven't shot anyone yet."

I finally noticed River stealing the bread off Jayne's plate at the end of Safe.

Well, as a rule I say girl folk ain't to be trusted.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:00 PM

Nedward

I'm English so I may be missing somethign here but what the hell is the song "beans in my ears"??

I have often wondered what he's muttering - looks like a repetion of "beans" . . .

Would you be so good as to furnish me with the lyrics/ some idea fo the tue to this??

Forever in your debt.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:13 PM

Zoot,

I knew the song from the late Lonnie Donegan's 1964 recording. But I doubt he wrote this masterpiece himself! My transcription:

Quote:

My wife said I've not to put beans in me ears
Beans in me ears
Beans in me ears
Well my wife said I've not to put beans in me ears
Beans in my ears

Now why should I want to put beans in me ears?
I mean - beans in me ears
It's daft - beans in me ears
Well now why should I want to put beans in me ears?
Beans in my ears

'Cos you can't hear nagging wives when you've got beans in yer ears
Little beans in yer ears
Tiny beans in yer ears
No you can't hear nagging wives when you've got beans in yer ears
Beans in yer ears

What's that you say? Let's put beans in our ears?
Beans in our ears? (Yeah!)
Beans in our ears? (Yeah, beans!)
What's that? You say let's put beans in our ears? (giggling)
Beans? In our ears?

Oi! You'll have to speak up, I've got beans in me ears!
I say, beans in me ears!
In me ears!
Oi, you'll have to speak up, I've got beans in me ears!
In me ears!

(degenerates into madness)

Darling, darling, they've, they've gone and put beans in me ears
Oh, beans in me ears
I say, darling, y'know, they, they've gone and put beans in my ears
Beans, in my ears

That's nice dear, just don't put those beans in your ears (No, I said they've --)
Beans in your ears (No, listen --)
Beans in your ears (No, they've already--)
That's nice dear, but, just don't put those nasty little beans in your ears (No, listen!)
Beans in your ears (Hey! Oh...)

I think that all wives have got beans in their ears
Great big beans in their ears
Whopping beans in their ears
Yes I think that all wives have got beans in their ears
Beans in their ears!

So there you go. The tune is a chirpy folky little number, very mid-60s Lonnie if you know the kind of thing. Banjos and very probably washboards to the fore.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:46 PM

That is truely terrifying!!

But all knowledge is good, I guess. Thank you!!

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Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SixGun:
It took me about 5 viewings of Our Mrs. Reynolds to notice this one. When Kayhlee is comforting Saffron and saying how Mal is like a monster and makes everybody cry, Jayne's fingerless-gloved hand comes in from the right and strokes her on the shoulder with his pinky, as if he were comforting her too. I couldn't stop laughing.


Just watched it last night. That was pretty funny. I never noticed it before either. Kaylee just stole the stage and I never noticed what was going on at the sides of the screen. I don't even know why it was funny but it was. Perfectly executed IMO.

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Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:06 AM

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Originally posted by JustAnotherMudder:

I still have a hard time concentrating for a bit after the scene where Simon is talking to Early without his shirt on in 'Objects in Space'.



hehe me too! I LOVE that scene! :P

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Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:07 AM

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Originally posted by JustAnotherMudder:

I still have a hard time concentrating for a bit after the scene where Simon is talking to Early without his shirt on in 'Objects in Space'.



hehe me too! I LOVE that scene! :P

I never remember the things I notice, but when I am watching the ep I do notice them again. lol

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Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nedward:
Zoot,

I knew the song from the late Lonnie Donegan's 1964 recording. But I doubt he wrote this masterpiece himself! My transcription:

Quote:

My wife said I've not to put beans in me ears
Beans in me ears
Beans in me ears
Well my wife said I've not to put beans in me ears
Beans in my ears


So there you go. The tune is a chirpy folky little number, very mid-60s Lonnie if you know the kind of thing. Banjos and very probably washboards to the fore.



Washburns?

Many a singalong has been enjoyed in our house to that little ditty. We would crowd around the accordion and sing until the neighbours slapped an ASBO on us. Those were the days.

Something I recently noticed about OIS, when Early is in his spaceship and he has a pictureof a woman and a dog. River mentions this later, but she implies that the woman is his mother, and the woman in the picture is white.

BTW Ned, haven't seen you around lately, has the opening of the Apple store really been that exhausting?


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Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:17 PM

Have just watched Our Mrs Reynolds for the Jayne comfort action - Superb!!!!!

Also watching Bushwacked I notice that Kaylee says at the start that the derelict is spinning because the "port thrust's gone" but later in the epsidoe she tell Simon that there's nothing mechanical wrong with the ship. Which is it??

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Monday, March 21, 2005 7:40 AM

I did wonder if Early was adopted. Early's past is fun to speculate on.

Glad to see someone else appreciates the Donegan magic! And no, not around so much these days. I'm such an asocial coward that my presence in a group can never be taken for granted! But I'm still booked in for the Starfury con, so I expect I'll be there.

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Monday, March 21, 2005 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nedward:
I did wonder if Early was adopted. Early's past is fun to speculate on.

Glad to see someone else appreciates the Donegan magic! And no, not around so much these days. I'm such an asocial coward that my presence in a group can never be taken for granted! But I'm still booked in for the Starfury con, so I expect I'll be there.



Hurrah!

See you there.

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Monday, March 21, 2005 2:31 PM

oops-I'm getting my threads all mixed up!

*Carls*

"Yes sir..Captain Tightpants"

"Also, I can kill you with my brain"

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Monday, March 21, 2005 4:30 PM

The fact that there was apparently only one brown suede long coat made for Nathan Fillion for the series.

What do I mean? Well, I still have to check "Serenity" to be sure, but I thought that both sleeves on the coat were pretty much intact until Mal was shot in the shoulder by Patience or one of her men. Then he had to stich it up.

Only I just watched "Out of Gas" this morning. In the very first flashback, while Mal is talking about, "what she could be," I noticed the left sleeve was stiched right where he was shot in "Serenity" which happens much later in the timeline.

Now, I'd be checking my facts right now, only I loaned Vol 1 and 2 to a friend who just got to watch them yesterday. He called to say, "It's your fault. I have only 2 DVDs and it's your fault."

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Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:21 PM

In 'Our Mrs Reynolds', the crew are gathered on the bridge trying to fix the damage that Saffron created.

Shepherd Book delivers his speech on what will happen to them when they reach the net and stands behind Mal.

Before and during the part where Mal delivers the line: "Well, keep on it. We can't fall into that net", Shepherd Book smiles and turns away - TWICE!

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Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:07 AM

I'll have to look for Jayne's finger on "Our Mrs. Reynolds," there. Here's some other bits I noticed after dissecting the episode again:

After Jayne is playing with Saffron's shawl ("Can I know her?") Mal says "You're gonna be cleaning latrines with your face if you keep that up." Don't ask me why, but I didn't catch that line until, like, the ninth viewing.

The part where Saffron pulls out the little heat-strip thing and puts it on the door frame, right after she pulls the cover off, the strip starts to glow, like it's heating up.

Saffron then heads to shuttle #2 to make her getaway. She opens the door and Inara is there. As she turns away to apologize, she has this look on her face for a second like "woah, that was close."

Here's a possible goof: The scene after Mal wakes up, he starts buttoning his shirt again. I'm not positive, but I think he buttons his top button twice.

Every well-bred petty crook knows that the small, concealable weapons always go to the far left of the place setting.

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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 10:47 AM

Isn't the King of londinium's shiny hat a crown? It would make more sense surely.

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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 1:42 PM

In Trash, when Jayne is working on getting the circuit board out of the trash container (while standing on Serenity), the camera pans up the container to him. It passes a computer screen, clearly showing a Windows 2000 screen (New Hardware Detection Wizard, close as I can tell).

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 2:21 AM

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Dobson's wedding ring in the pilot. Makes me cheer just a little less when Mal caps him.

might not be a wedding ring.
and even if it was, bad and dangerous doesn't change 'cause you may have a woman (or a man) somewhere.
there are alliance who'd just as soon string up everyone on serenity because of simon and river.
some of 'em are married.
doesn't spare 'em from a bullet if need be.


Simon: "What if the captain says to shoot me?"
Zoe (without missing a beat): "I shoot you."

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 2:28 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:

Originally posted by SixGun:
It took me about 5 viewings of Our Mrs. Reynolds to notice this one. When Kayhlee is comforting Saffron and saying how Mal is like a monster and makes everybody cry, Jayne's fingerless-gloved hand comes in from the right and strokes her on the shoulder with his pinky, as if he were comforting her too. I couldn't stop laughing.


Just watched it last night. That was pretty funny. I never noticed it before either. Kaylee just stole the stage and I never noticed what was going on at the sides of the screen. I don't even know why it was funny but it was. Perfectly executed IMO.



That cracked me up, too. Especially having heard in the commentary that Jayne is always touching, tasting and smelling things!
He puts his finger into Simon's birthday cake on Out of Gas, I think he even smells the hat his Ma sends him in The Message...




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Friday, June 10, 2005 5:04 AM

During "Our Mrs.Reynolds", after Saffron "quotes" the bible, Mal says "Whoa, good bible". Later after Saffron tells Wash the myth of Earth-that-was, Wash says "Whoa, good myth." the exact same way Mal did, and with the exact same look on his face!



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Monday, June 13, 2005 8:20 AM

Here's something I just noticed last week long after I'd thought that I'd seen everything that there was to see in every episode:

In War Stories, right before they start the attack on the skyplex the camera pans through everyone really quick and for a split second you can see Simon putting his gun in his pants. Which...makes me burst into uncontrollable giggles.

Simon's a gangsta, yo.

Also, I'll add that, long ago, I'd watched OiS three times before I realized that Early was on the ceiling above Simon. Yes, I was staring at his shirtlessness, which that angle was very, very good for.

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Monday, June 13, 2005 4:18 PM

Has anyone mentioned the one in the pilot where, having escaped the Reavers, Wash is only pantomiming holding the yoke, his arms extended, no yoke?

Also in the pilot, Badger is peeling an apple on his desk with a device which keeps it a good distance away from him. This not only tells us that he's a man of some small wealth, but maybe that he's cautious about who might slip a Griswold in his apple.

The Crybaby is probably a coffee can: you can see the word "Caffeine" on it.

I figured a Crybaby was not deployed in Bushwacked because, unlike in the pilot, the Alliance cruiser was already upon them. The Crybaby was probably deployed long before the Dortmunder arrived and was a good distance away.

And in War Stories, right before Serenity crashes into the Skyplex, one of the guards is reading a magazine with a model in a swimsuit, a caption reads(as if to warn him!) "Stop Staring!" This was a real magazine, not one created for the show, and the model is the lovely Jami Deadly ( http://www.deadlycurves.com/ ) who was really surprised and pleased to find herself on an episode of Firefly!

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Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:03 AM

SIMON
Need a weave on that?

MAL
It's nothing.

SIMON
I expect there's someone's face
feels differently.

MAL
(smiles in reverie)
They tell you never hit a man with
a closed fist, but it is on
occasion hilarious.

SIMON
I suppose so.












I must've seen the episodes a dozen times but it was only last night that I realized Simon was referring to the fact that Mal hit him twice in the face in Serenity.

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Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ScorpioVI:
I must've seen the episodes a dozen times but it was only last night that I realized Simon was referring to the fact that Mal hit him twice in the face in Serenity.


I've seen Train Job more than twenty times, but it never dawned on me. I'm sure you're right, and I'll watch that ep with new appreciation next time. Thanks

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Friday, June 17, 2005 10:12 PM

In the Episode: TRASH

When they are landing on the floaty island on Belerophon, I just noticed an SR-71 blackbird spyplane go past them.

This was the remarkable, sleek spyplane from the 60-80s.

The xmen also used one in the comic book in the 70s-80s

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Monday, June 20, 2005 7:59 PM

I just caught another one I never noticed before. Perhaps this was mentioned before , maybe ona nother thread, but heres what I got:

In the pilot, Serentity, our Sergeant Reynolds has to make a run to an AA gun to take out that sk9iff. Before he does he reaches into his shirt and pulls out his crucifix and kisses it.

Never noticed this before. Of course the serenity valley battle is where Mal lost his faith. Nicely illustrated!

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Monday, June 20, 2005 9:39 PM

Someone said it already, but the part in OMR when Jayne reaches out to comfort Saffron is so funny.

And another one of my favorite Jayne moments that I didn't notice at first was in Ariel when Simon is trying to teach them the proper medical terminology or whatever.

Jayne seems to be...sewing 2 napkins together or something. And then Simon sees him and snatches it from him. Haha.

Also, Jayne was braiding that whore's hair in HoG. Heehee

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Monday, June 20, 2005 10:29 PM

In "Shindig," the scene right after Mal and Inara's conversation, the crew walks the streets of Persephone. After Mal hurts Kaylee's feelings, Zoe, Wash, and Kaylee drive away on the mule. My question is, if they had the mule all along, why would they need to walk? And how did it end up not getting stolen? Persephone strikes me as the kinda place where a vehicle like that could easily be snatched, so it doesn't make sense to just leave it unattended in the middle of the street.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:47 AM

"Jayne seems to be...sewing 2 napkins together or something. And then Simon sees him and snatches it from him. Haha."

Jayne is writing on paper with a crappy lil pencil... making a cheat sheet.

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Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:37 PM


Watched the pilot and Train Job last night in anticipation of the movie tonight. Near the end, the creepifying Blue Hands guy says, "I didn't come 86 million miles to investigate the theft of some medical supplies" (or something to that effect). It occured to me that 86 million miles, spacially, isn't all that far - you know, about the distance from the Sun to the Earth-that-is.

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Monday, July 4, 2005 5:36 PM

i noticed this after a few screenings of the message...and zoomed in just to be sure...the little stature of hans solo frozen in carbonite

Oh, gawd! What could it beee? We're dooomed! Who's flyin' this thing? Oh. Right. That'd be me. Back to work
I hope she does the soup thing. It's always a hoot, and we don't all die from it

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Monday, July 4, 2005 8:31 PM

I was watching "Train Job" up close an personal on my lap top last night and noticed for the first time that the stone in the belly dancer's naval is flashing different colors. All the little details!

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Monday, July 4, 2005 9:36 PM

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It took me about 5 viewings of Our Mrs. Reynolds to notice this one. When Kayhlee is comforting Saffron and saying how Mal is like a monster and makes everybody cry, Jayne's fingerless-gloved hand comes in from the right and strokes her on the shoulder with his pinky, as if he were comforting her too. I couldn't stop laughing.
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I thought Jane was poking her as a character thing. He kind of pulls the strap of her dress and snaps it back. Like when he puts his finger in Simon's cake in Out of Gas. He's just feeling up the new merchandise.

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Monday, July 4, 2005 9:43 PM

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Watched the pilot and Train Job last night in anticipation of the movie tonight. Near the end, the creepifying Blue Hands guy says, "I didn't come 86 million miles to investigate the theft of some medical supplies" (or something to that effect). It occured to me that 86 million miles, spacially, isn't all that far - you know, about the distance from the Sun to the Earth-that-is.


That's our lovely Firefly writers. They're great with the stories, but when it comes to the science of space, uh...

Unless maybe the blue hands man came from a planet near to the ship they were in. hmm.

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Monday, July 4, 2005 9:58 PM

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Originally posted by Amnesiac:
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Watched the pilot and Train Job last night in anticipation of the movie tonight. Near the end, the creepifying Blue Hands guy says, "I didn't come 86 million miles to investigate the theft of some medical supplies" (or something to that effect). It occured to me that 86 million miles, spacially, isn't all that far - you know, about the distance from the Sun to the Earth-that-is.


That's our lovely Firefly writers. They're great with the stories, but when it comes to the science of space, uh...

Unless maybe the blue hands man came from a planet near to the ship they were in. hmm.




Well...

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After watching the movie, that (and the whole cosmology of Firefly) made a lot more sense. 86 million miles is easily plausible, and probably a pretty long distance all things considered.


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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 3:48 AM

OK, we all notice Jayne's touchy fingers, so you can get pretty smashed if you had a Firefly drinkinng game that intailed to drink each time you saw Jayne unnessarily touch something like Safforn when he's not in the show.

Well, when the crew first gathers to meet Safforn, notice Jayne's hands. They go on his belt to off his belt in every other shot. I think there's something else in that scene, but I can't remember.

In Train Job, the woman in the yellow mask thingy in the train is really a man. When I noticed it I found it a blaring mistake and I got paranoid about that person. It could be a spy or anybody. I kind of wonder if they purposely put that man in woman clothing or not.

When I find more stuff from watching the series before the movie, I'll post it.

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Wednesday, July 6, 2005 7:25 AM

I noticed recently that Mal addresses Kaylee as "meimei" in Serenity. It's Chinese for "little sister," and we hear it more often from Simon adressing River. Still, I think it pegs Mal and Kaylee's friendship.

As for "shiny"--I think it's interesting that the first thing they refer to as shiny really does reflect light: the shiny nutrition supplements. Part of what I like about the "shiny hat" line is that it could be taken both ways.

One thing that's always bugged me is that the crewmembers call Inara "the ambassador" repeatedly during the pilot, and then the term is never used again.

Two details I really love:

In "Our Mrs. Reynolds," Inara's expression when Mal storms right past her, saying that he and Saffron are the only people who don't think their marriage is funny. He's so oblivious sometimes.

The lighting in the "Trash" scene when Mal and YoSafBridge have just stolen the lassiter--it's amazing how the shadows work out so that he looks warm but she looks cold.

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Because I've got the DVD."

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:07 AM

I'm surprised no-one else has mentioned this:

In "Ariel", right after the CGI Helicopter/Ambulance (Heli-lance?) lands, look at the landing gear.

When they cut to the actors, the landing gear has grown wheels!


They're just prop dollies used to move the vehicle to that spot, but I guess they forgot to remove them before shooting.



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Thursday, July 7, 2005 4:07 PM

Not a blooper, but at 12:22 into "The Message", right before River calls Simon a boob, Jayne (with letter in mouth), walks by Simon and mutters something. Sounds like he's calling Simon a hack or something for getting Kaylee p.o'd again. It's not on subs or in the scripts. Anyways, just wondering if anyone else heard it.

"That's the buffet table....."

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Monday, August 1, 2005 11:48 AM

I should really learn to pay attention. On my gazillionth viewing of bushwhacked, I finally noticed that when Kaylee carefully hands a rather heavy engine part to Simon ... he promptly drops it.

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Monday, August 1, 2005 12:04 PM

Something completely unimportant, but amusing as hell, in Our Mrs. Reynolds, at the campfire party scene, as the camera pans onto Mal and I think the Amish looking guy, there is a fairly short looking, very drunk guy, playing the air guitar.

Hilarious.

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Friday, August 5, 2005 3:26 PM

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After observing the bear I paid attention to any other shots of her in the episode just to see if there are other cute things worth noticing and I found one other...she has a little red heart on the front of her overalls too. You can see the heart when she places her hands on her hips after Mal says "I don't think there's a power in the 'verse can stop Kaylee from being cheerful".



In other episodes she also has a second pair of overalls (most notably in 'Safe') with a purple mouse on the top left breast pocket.

Kaylee is way cute.

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