No Power in the Verse - New 6 Issue Comic Series

POSTED BY: ecgordon
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ECGORDON

Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:27 AM

Second posted the news in the Free Comic Book thread, but this deserves its own headline.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/20/dark-horse-serenity-comic-no-powe
r-verse

First issue out Oct. 26 from Dark Horse. Written by Chris Roberson, illustrated by Georges Jeanty.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

SECOND

Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:39 AM

No Power in the 'Verse goes on sale Oct. 26
www.ew.com/article/2016/07/20/dark-horse-serenity-comic-no-power-verse

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WISHIMAY

Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:27 AM

Awesome b-day present for hubbs, that weekend...

MUTT999

Friday, July 22, 2016 9:37 PM

“They’re just wrapping up a job when they get a call from an old friend who is in desperate need of their help, and things get complicated pretty quickly.”

Hmmm. Who can this "old friend" be? I'm gonna guess Amnon. Some people think Saffron. Hmmm.

MOOSE

Saturday, July 23, 2016 3:06 AM

I don't think they would consider Saffron as an "old friend".

THGRRI

Saturday, July 23, 2016 4:53 AM

Con Man cast teases a potential Firefly reunion for season 2

The cast of Con Man hit the Entertainment Weekly Lounge at Comic-Con on Thursday, following the successful debut of the show’s first trailer at Comic-Con (and here on EW.com). But there’s even more good news coming for fans of stars Alan Tudyk and Nathan Fillion: a possibly Firefly cast reunion in season 2.

During an interview with EW’s Marc Snetiker, Tudyk — who also wrote and directed Con Man — revealed that he had potential roles in mind for his erstwhile co-stars Adam Baldwin, Ron Glass and Morena Baccarin.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/10/con-man-comic-con-firefly-reunion

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MOOSE

Saturday, July 23, 2016 8:09 AM

That article is from a year ago. I think season 2 is in post production right now, I wonder if they were able to get everyone back together for it.

Kinda figure that would be a bit hard to keep quiet if they did.

MOOSE

Saturday, July 23, 2016 8:09 AM

That article is from a year ago. I think season 2 is in post production right now, I wonder if they were able to get everyone back together for it.

Kinda figure that would be a bit hard to keep quiet if they did.

MUTT999

Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Moose:
I don't think they would consider Saffron as an "old friend".

Not in the usual sense. Of course not.

But remember Khan to Kirk?

"Kirk? Kirk, you're still alive, my old friend?"

All depends on how you look at it.

ECGORDON

Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:45 PM

If it was Saffron, they would have titled the story "The Special Hell."

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

MOOSE

Wednesday, July 27, 2016 3:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
If it was Saffron, they would have titled the story "The Special Hell."

Plus, if she calls them for help, I'm pretty sure Mal would tell her to #@ß& off...after what she's pulled.

Eta: then again, he did give her a lift in Trash...

ECGORDON

Wednesday, July 27, 2016 3:33 AM

Another title for a Saffron story could be "More Trash Talk."

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

MUTT999

Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:02 PM

Okay. Judging from this article, probably not Saffron. But it does say that it's a female friend that needs help:

Serenity: No Power in the ’Verse finds Malcolm Reynolds and his crew struggling through some difficult times. Tensions are at an all-time high when the crew receives a call to help find a missing friend. The crew must come together to discover the answers to her mysterious disappearance. Will they find her in time?

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/07/20/new-firefly-comic-for-october-s
erenity-no-power-in-the-verse/

Petaline maybe? Or someone totally new? Is it October yet??

Also, nice variant cover:

ECGORDON

Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:39 AM

That alternate cover seems to imply that someone wants all new actors auditioning for the parts.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

SECOND

Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MUTT999:
Okay. Judging from this article, probably not Saffron. But it does say that it's a female friend that needs help . . .

Petaline maybe? Or someone totally new? Is it October yet??

Whoever she is, she is on one of the three covers.

There are two variant covers for the first issue. You can preorder both, plus the third cover:
www.darkhorse.com/Comics/30-929/Serenity-No-Power-in-the-Verse-1-Adam-
Hughes-30th-anniversary-variant-cover

www.darkhorse.com/Comics/30-346/Serenity-No-Power-in-the-Verse-1-Georg
es-Jeanty-variant-cover

www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-793/Serenity-No-Power-in-the-Verse-1

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MUTT999

Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

Whoever she is, she is on one of the three covers.

Thanks Second! I know which one I'll be getting!

MUTT999

Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:47 PM

Is that Bea on the cover??

From Leaves on the Wind

SECOND

Friday, July 29, 2016 1:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MUTT999:

Is that Bea on the cover??

From Leaves on the Wind

I think you're right!

TV Tropes called Bea a “canon foreigner”. The comic needs a Jayne/Bea relationship for the next 6 issue miniseries because what else but sex would keep Jayne on Serenity when Mal cannot pay anybody? Jayne/River or Jayne/Zoe are unbelievable since River and Zoe aren’t stupid or desperate while Bea was crazy enough to go looking for Mal and all the problems that search caused.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/SerenityLeavesOnTheWin
d

http://watchaholics.hu/2015/01/02/serenity-leaves-on-the-wind/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MUTT999

Friday, July 29, 2016 7:44 PM

Seeing this panel again made my day!

Yeah, these two need to hook up!

SECOND

Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:54 AM

Serenity: No Power in the 'Verse #4 Cover Art for January 2017
www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/12/angel-season-11-begins-with-a-new-bean
world-in-the-full-dark-horse-solicitations-for-january-2017/serennpv-4-fc-fnl/

www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/12/angel-season-11-begins-with-a-new-bean
world-in-the-full-dark-horse-solicitations-for-january-2017/serennpv-4-variant-fc-fnl/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, October 13, 2016 6:24 PM

Serenity: No Power in the 'Verse #2 Cover Art
Publication Date Nov 30, 2016
www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-794/Serenity-No-Power-in-the-Verse-2

www.darkhorse.com/Comics/30-347/Serenity-No-Power-in-the-Verse-2-Georg
es-Jeanty-variant-cover

Serenity: No Power in the 'Verse #3 Cover Art
Publication Date Dec 28, 2016
www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-795/Serenity-No-Power-in-the-Verse-3

www.darkhorse.com/Comics/30-348/Serenity-No-Power-in-the-Verse-3-Georg
es-Jeanty-variant-cover

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MUTT999

Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Serenity: No Power in the 'Verse #4 Cover Art for January 2017

All the covers are great, but this one, wow!

ECGORDON

Friday, October 14, 2016 12:19 AM

The cover art is always superior to the interior art. I've often wondered if the actors have to be paid if their likeness is used, and making the interior art less identifiable is a way of limiting how much they are compensated.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

SECOND

Friday, October 14, 2016 2:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
The cover art is always superior to the interior art. I've often wondered if the actors have to be paid if their likeness is used, and making the interior art less identifiable is a way of limiting how much they are compensated.

Kaylee Getting Rich Off Comic Book Conventions: How to Take Home "Garbage Bags Full of $20s"
www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/stars-getting-rich-fan-conventions
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"The fact is, a guest star on a TV show can [get] around $10,000, whereas you can work two days at a convention and pull in the same amount — and sometimes double and triple that," says Firefly actress Jewel Staite, who did 12 conventions last year while pregnant with her son and, as she says, "pretty much not hireable." She'll do the same when she has a second child. "Have I turned down smaller jobs that won't pay as much? Absolutely. It would be silly of me to say yes to the job that pays $10,000 for a week of work and bow out of a big convention where I could potentially walk away with $40,000 in two days."

Adds Staite, "My actor friends are always saying how much they're dying for a genre show just to break into the convention world."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

ECGORDON

Friday, October 14, 2016 4:27 AM

second, I'm talking about whether or not they get paid for their likeness being used for a comic cover, not comic conventions.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

SECOND

Friday, October 14, 2016 7:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:

second, I'm talking about whether or not they get paid for their likeness being used for a comic cover, not comic conventions.

When you wrote “I've often wondered if the actors have to be paid if their likeness is used, and making the interior art less identifiable is a way of limiting how much they are compensated,” I thought it best to treat it as if you were making a joke about the quality of the art. But you’re serious. OK. My serious answer:

Dark Horse Comics pays FOX for Serenity. I believe FOX pays none of the money to Firefly actors.

Jewel Staite was forthright about her pay from comic book conventions. It somebody tweeted her about her pay from FOX for comic books, I bet she would tweet back something humorous and sarcastic about FOX’s stingy contract terms: “FOX paid me $0.00 times two hundred fifty thousand comics sold since 2005. I’ve already gone to the trouble of multiplying and then converting between currencies. That’s $0.00 in Canadian or US dollars.” https://twitter.com/JewelStaite

Nathan Fillion probably makes the same rate per comic book as Jewel.
https://twitter.com/NathanFillion

No need to ask Alan Tudyk or Ron Glass. They’re dead in comics. But maybe their ghosts get paid? The ghosts made guest star appearances in the Free Comic Book Day 2016 “Serenity-The Warrior and the Wind (2016).cbr” at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MUTT999

Friday, October 14, 2016 7:57 PM

Had to laugh with the matching up of bare feet with Paul and River:

ECGORDON

Friday, October 14, 2016 10:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I thought it best to treat it as if you were making a joke about the quality of the art. But you’re serious. OK. My serious answer:

Dark Horse Comics pays FOX for Serenity. I believe FOX pays none of the money to Firefly actors.

Jewel Staite...I bet she would tweet back something humorous and sarcastic...

Nathan Fillion probably makes...

Why didn't you just say "I don't know"?

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

SECOND

Friday, October 14, 2016 11:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I thought it best to treat it as if you were making a joke about the quality of the art. But you’re serious. OK. My serious answer:

Dark Horse Comics pays FOX for Serenity. I believe FOX pays none of the money to Firefly actors.

Jewel Staite...I bet she would tweet back something humorous and sarcastic...

Nathan Fillion probably makes...

Why didn't you just say "I don't know"?

But I do know. I don’t have to read the Firefly contracts to know what is in them because I know what a bastard Rupert Murdoch of FOX is. This guy is Scrooge.

The Firefly actors signed a release giving their rights to FOX or else they would not have been hired:

AUTHORIZATION TO REPRODUCE PHYSICAL LIKENESS AND/OR VOICE

I hereby irrevocably grant to __________________ (herein “Producer”) and any parent, subsidiary and affiliated corporations and their respective successors, assigns, licensees, employees and agents, the right in perpetuity thoughout the universe, and in all now known and hereafter existing media, and in any language, to use my name (including any fictitious names heretofore or hereafter used by me), physical likeness and/or voice in and in connection with the production, exhibition, exploitation, merchandising, advertising and promotion of the motion picture tentatively entitled ___________ (the “Picture”).

I agree that the foregoing grant includes the right to use my physical likeness in any form, including, without limitation, a photograph, picture, artistic rendering, silhouette or other reproduction by photograph, film, tape, or otherwise.

I represent to the best of my knowledge that the consent of no other persons, firm corporation or labor organization is required to enable Producer to use my name, likeness and/or voice as described herein and that such use will not violate the rights of any third parties.

I acknowledge that nothing herein requires Producer to use my likeness and/or voice as described herein or in connection with the Picture.

The rights granted herein include the right to use the Picture or excerpts or stills form the Picture (include excerpts or stills containing my likeness and/or voice) in any other motion picture, publication, recording, or other medium and includes the right to edit, delete, and/or juxtapose (with any other part of the Picture), any part of the Picture in which I appear, and/or change the sequence of events in the Picture.

All rights, title and interest in and to the results and proceeds of the services and performances rendered by me in connection with the production of the Picture or any portion therefor shall, from its inception, be the sole property of Producer, free from any claim whatsoever by me or any other person.

This agreement contains the full and complete understanding between the parties and supersedes all prior agreements and understandings pertaining hereto and cannot be modified except by writing signed by each party.

I hereby certify and represent that I am of legal age and have every right to contract in my own name in connection with this Release, and that I have read the foregoing and fully understand the meaning and effect thereof, and intending to be legally bound I have signed this Authorization this ________ day of ____________________, 2001.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:01 PM

Yuko Shimizu's variant cover art for Serenity: No Power in the 'Verse #1 – 2,500 print run.

This is a Fried Pie variant and will be available at various stores. The first issue of the new Serenity mini-series will be out on the 26th of this month.
www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/15/a-few-fried-pie-exclusive-covers-for-b
lack-panther-skeptics-and-serenity/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MUDD

Saturday, October 22, 2016 5:54 AM

A few pages of the comic. Can't wait for Wednesday.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/21/serenity-no-power-verse-preview?x
id=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

SECOND

Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mudd:
A few pages of the comic. Can't wait for Wednesday.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/21/serenity-no-power-verse-preview?x
id=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

Jayne feels that every robbery should end with explosions and death or else he feels Mal hasn’t planned thoroughly enough:

www.ew.com/article/2016/10/21/serenity-no-power-verse-preview?xid=ente
rtainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

ECGORDON

Thursday, October 27, 2016 5:09 AM

Haven't bought any comics in quite a while, since the last Serenity one or when I gave up on Buffy, whichever of those events came last. So I don't have a regular pull at the comic store, and they were already sold out when I stopped by about 2:30. They took my name and said they should get some more next Wednesday. Went to the only other comic store in town and the guy there looked at me like he didn't know what I was talking about. They are mainly a used book store, and might only order specific titles requested by their regulars.

SECOND

Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:

They took my name and said they should get some more next Wednesday. Went to the only other comic store in town and the guy there looked at me like he didn't know what I was talking about. They are mainly a used book store, and might only order specific titles requested by their regulars.

For a price you can read it on-line at
https://digital.darkhorse.com/profile/7298/

The price is $3.99, but I got a $2 store credit for some unknown reason, reducing the price to $1.99. Maybe everybody gets a store credit?

You can also pre-order the paper versions to be mailed to your house at
www.darkhorse.com/Search/Serenity

Or wait many months for the hardcover book (HC) collecting all the issues.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WISHIMAY

Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:07 AM

Wonder what Nathan thinks of the "well endowed" line?

WISHIMAY

Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Haven't bought any comics in quite a while

Honestly, I would order and wait for the next one and read 'em together, the first one is cliff-hanger-y... But then I'm the type to wait for entire trilogies to come out before I see 'em.

MUDD

Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:52 AM

I love going to the comic book store and chatting with fellow enthusiasts, but it's nice to know there are options for folks without a comic book store nearby.

Wishimay, I agree. This first issue is mostly set-up, with no particularly critical reveals that folks might want to read first-hand right away.

MUDD

Friday, October 28, 2016 2:45 AM

I've been thinking about the best reading order too. Here are my thoughts, but I'm very open to suggestions. Spoiler warning! You can infer some comic book spoilers, if you haven't read them.

Firefly, the original TV show (2002)
Natural starting place. In DVD order, of course.

Dead or Alive, writer's draft of unfilmed episode (2002)
Who knows how much of this would have made it, but if you're going to read this, this is where that story would have gone.

Better Days, 3 issue comic series (2008) & Downtime, single issue comic (2010)
I’ve seen a chronology suggest these could even be before the series ends, but I like them after. At the very least, to me, Wash’s relaxed/supportive attitude about Zoe & Mal makes it feel like they should happen after War Stories. The significant Simon & Inara interaction in Better Days is most interesting to me if it happens partially in response to Mal in Heart of Gold. Book having an idea of what River was up to in Downtime is most believable after Objects in Space. I don’t see why it would matter which of the two you read first.

Those Left Behind, 3 issue comic series (2005)
Starting to leave the series behind and set up the movie.

The Other Half, single issue comic (2008)
Other chronologies I’ve read put this before Those Left Behind, but I think it must be after. For one, Inara and Book are absent. Also, River isn’t part of the heist in Those Left Behind, which I think doesn’t make sense after this.

River Tam Sessions, movie teasers (2005)
Chronologically this would go before the series, but I like it here. Mostly to get me jazzed for the movie.

Serenity, the movie (2005)
Next logical step.

The Shepherd's Tale, graphic novel (2010) & Float Out, single issue comic (2010)
Since these are both separate narratives, for the most part not impacting the main story, I'd put them right after the movie, where I think they have the greatest emotional impact. I think this is the right spot for Float Out chronologically anyhow.

It’s Never Easy, Free Comic Book day comic (2012)
I guess this could technically be after the movie and before Float Out, but I like it better here, leaving Zoe’s reveal in Float Out, as intended.

Leaves on the Wind, six issue comic series (2014)
Clearly written in a post Serenity movie world. Has to be after Float Out and It’s Never Easy too. Because of Emma.

The Warrior and the Wind, Free Comic Book day comic (2016)
Needs to happen after Leaves on the Wind. Again, because of Emma.

No Power in the ‘Verse, six issue comic series (first issue just came out yesterday)
Deals with events post Leaves on the Wind

BYTEMITE

Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:30 AM

Quote:
Honestly, I would order and wait for the next one and read 'em together, the first one is cliff-hanger-y... But then I'm the type to wait for entire trilogies to come out before I see 'em.

Yeah. I liked this issue. Only thing is the last series the first issue was better paced than the rest of the series too, and escalated much too fast to operative psychic ambushes and shooting off the pursuit of 40 prison guards during a high security jail break.

Last series was okay, but the pacing issue kinda killed it for me. Lets see if they can reign in the impulse to go over the top this time. It's comic books, so that's not likely, but better days didn't go too bad.

SECOND

Wednesday, November 2, 2016 6:24 PM

Cover artist: Ramón K Pérez www.ramonperez.com

Serenity: Firefly Class 03-K64—No Power In The 'Verse #1, Nerd Block Exclusive Edition, October 2016.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MUTT999

Wednesday, November 2, 2016 8:08 PM

Man, gotta feel for Jayne:

Also, nice appearance by Shepherd there.

SECOND

Wednesday, November 2, 2016 11:54 PM

Cover artist: Francesco Francavilla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Francavilla

Serenity: Firefly Class 03-K64—No Power In The 'Verse #1, Local Comic Shop Day Exclusive Edition, October 2016.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MOOSE

Friday, November 4, 2016 3:29 AM

That's one of the reasons I wait until they release the hardcover compilations, if I buy the regular comics I feel compelled to collect all of the variant covers.

MUTT999

Thursday, December 1, 2016 11:38 PM

Just read issue #2. Won't give anything away, but glad my favorite eating place is still around 500 years from now! (Love those golden arches)

MUTT999

Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:33 PM

Sooo, knowing River the way we do, should she have sensed something was amiss right now? And why did Ophelia take the chance, knowing what River was capable of? And why is it I'm so full of questions??

SECOND

Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MUTT999:
Sooo, knowing River the way we do . . . And why is it I'm so full of questions??

I need ask no questions other than "Does River get to kick heads and punch throats?" Yes, she does. That can't be a spoiler, can it? Because that is even on the cover painting by Dan Dos Santos for issue #2.
https://xkcd.com/311/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MUTT999

Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:46 PM

Amazing how awesome River is, even as a stick figure!

SECOND

Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:36 AM

Serenity: No Power in the 'Verse #3 is available, TODAY!
www.darkhorse.com/Comics/29-795/Serenity-No-Power-in-the-Verse-3

Look at the babe!

Did I mention this episode has two diaper changes? Serenity is exactly like real life.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MUTT999

Friday, December 30, 2016 4:08 AM

This was probably my favorite issue so far. I have two observations. One, is Zoe being a bit too harsh with Jayne these days? Jayne's just trying to do right by Emma, but Zoe keeps knocking him down for no obvious reason.
Two, was Iris about to hit on Kaylee on this page? Or am I missing something?

What do you think she was gonna say before the doorbell rang?

MUTT999

Friday, December 30, 2016 4:31 AM

Also, anyone thinking what I'm thinking about this red-haired 'companion'. Is someone up to their old tricks?

WISHIMAY

Friday, December 30, 2016 5:13 AM

I was wondering about that myself. Nothing like waiting a month to find out... *sigh

MUTT999

Friday, December 30, 2016 10:24 PM

I like small details, like the same t-shirt Jayne wore in OiS:

MUDD

Monday, January 2, 2017 3:27 AM

I love these characters and so desperately want to be back in that world, but the comic book isn't quite working for me. Part of it is that I don't think characters are being written consistently with the show, but part of it is also that there are in-Verse reasons for making it challenging for the authors to be spiritually true to the series.

These are what I see as the major obstacles for the writers:

1. Some things are sacred. When Joss Whedon was creating Firefly, the audience had no expectations. He had the freedom to take the story wherever he wanted (Fox execs aside). If the series had continued on, we probably would have seen some story lines not just develop but totally change directions. Looking at Buffy for comparison, Angel was clearly originally written to be the the major love interest but for most of the show, he's a minor side note. Xander likes Buffy. Then Cordelia. Then briefly Willow. Then Anya. In Firefly, we kind of hold sacred relationships as they were when the show ended. Or look at Willow's arc, where she becomes the major villain for a season. Would we accept that kind of character shift in the comics? I'm not so sure.

2. Loss of major characters. Wash and Book are part of what made Firefly Firefly. We love that family, and part of it is gone now. I think their voices were crucial to the ensemble, which leaves the comic book writers with a hell of a vacuum.

3. Tonal shift. Joss Whedon wrote this about Firefly: "I wanted to play with that classic notion of the frontier: not the people who made history, but the people history stepped on --the people for whom every act is the creation of civilization. Then again, there's also gunfights and action." The tone of the TV show (and early movie to some extent) is a found family trying to scrape by. When Joss wrote the movie, he clearly felt the need to shift tones to something more "cinematic." Their story changes in scope so that they're now integral to an event that affects the entire verse, basically the exact opposite of the original concept of the series. It has to be tough for the authors to honor the series while still dealing with the events of the movie.

Here is where I think the writing could use some work:

1. Minimal wit. The series is so insanely quotable. Dialogue is quick, clever, and impactful. There is very little in the comic books that I think is on the same level. I recently read Astonishing X-Men (Joss Whedon's run), and to me it felt so much more like Firefly dialogue.

2. Loss of character voice. To me, it feels a little like the writers don't totally understand the characters, especially River and Jayne. In the show, Jayne is pretty menacing. From the very first episode, we're worried he's going to turn on the captain. We learn he turned on Stitch in Jaynestown. He turned on Marco in Out of Gas.. He turns on River and Simon in Ariel. We're still supposed to love him, but if he's written as just a crude but sweet guy, I think part of his character is missing. And I get that River is especially hard to write, but this dialogue just doesn't sound like her voice at all to me. In this last issue, River says, "Let me go. Whatever you're doing here has nothing to do with me." I just can't hear Summer Glau as River saying those words.

3. Not a family. I love Joss as an ensemble writer, and I think he used that gift to create a great sense of found family in Firefly. In general, I feel like the comics are doing a really solid job of showing where that's been lost. I loved the scene where Jayne is seeing Book's ghost. Zoe clearly misses Wash. But I feel like we're not getting any sense of where it's still there. The scenes in Firefly where they're playing that basketball type game, or sharing stories about the natty thing, or eating apples that Jayne bought, or playing tall card, or just otherwise hanging out being a fam

MUDD

Tuesday, January 3, 2017 2:53 AM

Oh! And yes, MUTT999, I thought the same thing about Iris maybe hitting on Kaylee.

I can't think of anything definitive in the show, but I think Kaylee probably wasn't written to be bi. She seems fairly open about sex (she didn't seem shy when talking about vibrators on Beaumonde or when caught having sex in the engine room or when saying "Have great sex!" to Inara), and I think someone who is comfortable talking about sex is more likely (though I suppose not guaranteed) to have a good handle on their orientation. Her reaction to the Councilor (in War Stories) being a woman reads to me like a heterosexual person from a heteronormative culture to whom it hadn't occurred Inara's client might be female.

So nothing concrete. And I'd be happy to see better representations of other orientations in the Verse. But I think it would be a break from character.

SECOND

Tuesday, January 3, 2017 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Mudd:

2. Loss of character voice. To me, it feels a little like the writers don't totally understand the characters, especially River and Jayne. In the show, Jayne is pretty menacing. From the very first episode, we're worried he's going to turn on the captain. We learn he turned on Stitch in Jaynestown. He turned on Marco in Out of Gas.. He turns on River and Simon in Ariel. We're still supposed to love him, but if he's written as just a crude but sweet guy, I think part of his character is missing.

What is missing in Jayne is his greediness. Until this comic, you could get Jayne to do anything for money. He was the guy who put the “me” in mercenary.

Bea understood Jayne. A suitcase full of cash made Jayne want to help Bea find Mal in Leaves on the Wind in 2014. Now it is 2016 and nobody is paying Jayne. I do not understand why Jayne remains on Serenity.

The Jayne I am familiar with would leave when the money was gone in 2014. But in 2016, Bea is not paying Jayne. Neither is Mal. Somebody has taken our self-interested Jayne away and replaced him with a kinder, gentler Jayne who is no longer motivated solely by money. It must have happened between the end of one comic in 2014 and the beginning of the next in 2016. But how did it happen? I want the old, greedy Jayne back!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MUTT999

Tuesday, January 3, 2017 8:35 PM

So, as to this red haired companion. Someone on another site thinks it's Ceres, the companion mentioned in issue #1. Inara's rival. Makes sense:

(panel from current issue)

MUDD

Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:56 PM

Second:
Exactly. I'd be okay with that being Jayne's arc. I think he was going to have to eventually realize the crew was family or he was going to turn on them. I like that either could work for me. I genuinely didn't know which way he'd go. But we needed to see how we got there. I kind of feel the same about Mal and Inara. The movie ends with them on the verge of an important moment, and then we jump over it to them being together.

Mutt:
That does make sense. Clearly we need to get back to Ceres at some point. But the comics have also been good about bringing back characters from the series. I feel like YoSaffBridge is too much of a fan favorite to not bring back eventually. Maybe Ceres has info on her? Out of curiosity, what's the other site?

MUTT999

Friday, January 6, 2017 8:01 PM

Damn! How did I miss this?

Doctor Who #4!!

Found this on Reddit, posted by Nerrolken.

MUDD

Friday, January 6, 2017 8:35 PM

Whedonesque tweeted about that! Apparently the Tenth Doctor and Rose Tyler appeared in Buffy Season 8 #6.

MUTT999

Friday, January 6, 2017 8:47 PM

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Originally posted by Mudd:
Whedonesque tweeted about that! Apparently the Tenth Doctor and Rose Tyler appeared in Buffy Season 8 #6.

Very cool! Thanks!

MUTT999

Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:17 PM

Issue #4 is out!

Another Weyland-Yutani reference.

I made this a really long time ago, maybe I wasn't too far off:

I mean, just because we haven't seen any Xenomorphs yet in the 'Verse....

MUTT999

Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:48 PM

Okay, 'nuff with the Alien stuff. Issue #5 is out and we have bigger fish to fry. It's coming to an end and the rescue attempt is on!

Stupid inbred stack of meat! I like that!

WISHIMAY

Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by MUTT999:

Stupid inbred stack of meat! I like that!

Hah, we've got that one on our fridge. My kid called someone in her class that the other day when he kicked her chair

Now, to teach her the rest of the language...

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:23 AM

Firefly!

I don't know why people were arguing about silly old Trump when there was Firefly. No one mentioned this!

SECOND

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:54 PM

Available today: Serenity – No Power in the ‘Verse #6

“We’re bringing the Alliance down, once and for all.” - Mal Reynolds on the last page.

First comic in the series: Serenity – No Power in the ‘Verse #1
https://digital.darkhorse.com/books/6d04f29dad4c4da98c5ac32c145a3370/s
erenity-no-power-in-the-verse-1

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MUTT999

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:21 PM

Wow! A lot of fodder here for the next series. Fiddler's Green huh? So now we know why Inara left Sihnon. Mal is none too happy. Can't wait to see what kind of plan Mal comes up with to bring down the Alliance once and for all. Talk about David vs Goliath!

I enjoyed this series, and I like Jeanty's artwork. But maybe for the next series, which should come soon they say, we could have a different artist for each issue. Could be cool.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:34 AM

And if you bring down the Alliance, who goes up in their place? More aholes.

In fact, I think astronomy got it wrong, this planet revolves around aholes, not the sun...

Prove me wrong, I dare you

Ok, Mal, you wanna start a war??? I'm in. Let's go a-warring. Will I see something "new"?

SECOND

Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:11 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
And if you bring down the Alliance, who goes up in their place? More aholes.

In fact, I think astronomy got it wrong, this planet revolves around aholes, not the sun...

Prove me wrong, I dare you.

The man who took over the Third Reich after Hitler committed suicide was not Field Marshal Hermann Goering, or SS chief Heinrich Himmler, but the head of the navy, Karl Dönitz. The following is Dönitz's description of his showdown with Himmler:

At about midnight he arrived, accompanied by six armed SS officers, and was received by my aide-de-camp, Walter Luedde-Neurath. I offered Himmler a chair and sat down at my desk, on which lay, hidden by some papers, a pistol with the safety catch off. I had never done anything of this sort in my life before, but I did not know what the outcome of this meeting might be.

I handed Himmler the telegram containing my appointment. "Please read this," I said. I watched him closely. As he read, an expression of astonishment, indeed of consternation, spread over his face. All hope seemed to collapse within him. He went very pale. Finally he stood up and bowed. "Allow me," he said, "to become the second man in your state." I replied that was out of the question and that there was no way I could make any use of his services.

Thus advised, he left me at about one o'clock in the morning. The showdown had taken place without force, and I felt relieved.
— Karl Dönitz, as quoted in The Decline and Fall of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_D%C3%B6nitz#Flensburg_government

If the Serenity comic books ever has a scene at the end of the Alliance War, it will be Mal holding the pistol. He shoots the Alliance's Heinrich Himmler dead. We can't have the comic book ending peacefully with Himmler walking away.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WISHIMAY

Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:57 PM

Usually, your fantasies are so far out there I gotta shake my head, but that one isn't bad. I could see it. I think hubby would like it, too.

I'm REALLY tired of the "Disney endings" where the bad guy just has to "live with what they've done". If they didn't have a problem DOING the act, they aren't going to have a problem LIVING with the act. And, it assumes they had a conscience to begin with...

So, how do we get to that point? Have Inara sleep with the head of the Alliance? Or do we have Jayne sleep with the head of the Alliance?

SECOND

Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Usually, your fantasies are so far out there I gotta shake my head, but that one isn't bad. I could see it. I think hubby would like it, too.

I'm REALLY tired of the "Disney endings" where the bad guy just has to "live with what they've done". If they didn't have a problem DOING the act, they aren't going to have a problem LIVING with the act. And, it assumes they had a conscience to begin with...

So, how do we get to that point? Have Inara sleep with the head of the Alliance? Or do we have Jayne sleep with the head of the Alliance?

I'll shoot down the practicality of Mal bringing down the Alliance:

Leaves on the Wind ended with Jayne and Mal murdering prison guards in June 2014. Mal left a witness alive that knows Mal and Serenity. That is the kind of crime where Alliance Law enforcers will kill Mal on sight.

No Power in the ‘Verse ended with Mal about to get his head chopped off. He’d been disarmed, he was knocked down, but his crimes deserved no jury trial. Mal left another witness alive that knows Mal and Serenity.

Then the comic raised Mal’s violence another ten notches by blowing up ships, passengers included. Mal will be blamed because he was there.

I don’t think Mal will survive what the Alliance can throw at him next time. Mal has gone from a small time crook on the TV show to, in the comics, the worst criminal the Alliance has.

Does anybody think that the Alliance won’t immediately blow up Serenity wherever it is sighted? The Alliance knows the name of the ship and it knows Mal is the Captain. Mal will be the Alliance’s Osama bin Laden. When Mal raises troops he will become the Alliance’s Saddam Hussein.

I see a very short lifespan for Mal if he tries to bring the Alliance down, once and for all. He is being too ambitious taking on the Alliance. He is outnumbered and outgunned.
www.amazon.com/Summary-Always-Outnumbered-Outgunned-Walter-ebook/dp/B0
07GYM5EC/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WISHIMAY

Friday, March 31, 2017 3:02 AM

Yeah, but how long did it take to actually take down Saddam or Bin Laden? Still dealing with some bureaucracy, no matter the order.

From the way he said it, it sounded like Mal had a plan already spinning in his head for what to do, maybe that's partially why he didn't respond to Inara...maybe her story about sexy secrets made him realize the way to take down the Alliance lies with the Companions, after all they'd have to know a bucket full of secrets, wouldn't they?

GWEK

Friday, March 31, 2017 7:05 PM

I can't say that I love the direction this is headed, not the least of which because it contradicts Joss Whedon's vision of FIREFLY. Joss has said repeatedly that the Alliance is NOT evil. It is NOT the Empire. Yes, there are parts of it that are corrupt, but the majority of it is a positive force.

Whedon has also said time and again that FIREFLY isn't about people who make history, but about folks who get stepped on by history. The movie contradicts that somewhat, but does so in a way that is still largely in keeping with the idea. From the movie, at least, we don't know if Mal gets any credit for his actions, how striking the results of those actions will be, etc.

This seems to be making things basically just Star Wars without Jedi, and with a rebellion that's only one ship in size... but the thing is, we STILL haven't seen that the Alliance as a whole is evil, just these folks living in the shadows.

Meh.

Some interesting elements, but the whole thing reads like mediocre fanfic to me, with extremes that swing wildly away from the core material, and scenes that are highly derivative (didn't we already see Mal's final speech in SERENITY?).

I predict the next mini-series will be titled I AIM TO MISBEHAVE, or some variation thereof.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:14 AM

Yeah, but that was a decade ago...I'm sure our current administration has changed a LOT of Joss's views, in fact I suspect this latest development may be direct result of a conscious desire to end all the crazy.

DANAJSPARKS

Friday, September 15, 2017 3:04 AM

Hello, I'm new here. I hope this is a good place to post this. I'm wondering if/how the new info about Inara and Fiddler's Green fits with previous canon. I was under the impression that Inara had only recently left Sinohn before renting her shuttle, which, chronologers seem to agree, happened around the end of 2516. For instance, Nandi says that Inara "coulda been House Priestess, few years time." But now we're told Inara was exiled for something she did during the war, which ended in 2511. So would that mean that she had already been away from Sinohn for several years before joining Serenity, or did the House not find out what she had done until several years after the war? I'm leaning towards the latter. Perhaps the House would have never known, except that she eventually confessed, maybe because others were encouraging her to become the next House Priestess, and she didn't feel worthy of the position due to her role in the massacre.

WISHIMAY

Friday, September 15, 2017 5:25 AM

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Originally posted by DANAJSPARKS:
Perhaps the House would have never known, except that she eventually confessed, maybe because others were encouraging her to become the next House Priestess, and she didn't feel worthy of the position due to her role in the massacre.

Howdy, newb

Yer guess is as good as ours. I haven't read EVERYTHING out there, but I don't think there is that much out there on that, since it's so recent a revelation.

Writing a fanfic?

MOOSE

Friday, September 15, 2017 6:17 AM

Newb? Look who's talking, Wishi!

Welcome!

I took it that Inara was immediately expelled.
Seems to me that if she had hidden it, they would have pulled her Companion status totally.
And yeah, I always assumed that Inara got to Serenity shortly after she left so it does seem to create a bit of a discrepancy.
But I don't think there's a real official official timeline of it, so I'm taking the comic as canon for now.

WISHIMAY

Friday, September 15, 2017 7:00 AM

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Originally posted by Moose:
Newb? Look who's talking, Wishi!

You do know this is my THIRD account and name on here? We moved and had to switch computers and providers...Anyway, I've been here since the movie was released on video which was December of 2005. I lurked for about six months, but I've been posting since 2006. Eleven years makes me... like...Master Apprentice or something. Brown Belt? Independent Army Sergeant??

I wish I could say I was around since the beginning, but I was busy with having a baby and working when the series came out. I know, excuses, excuses...

I remember the other version of this site, and the blue chat room. I know the fan name for the chat room is "The Juggled Gosling". I'm still and forever a "Flan"....I got my virtual Browncoat from someone named Doncoat eons ago. I've talked to hundreds of newbs in chat and on the main page. Been to a few events, got all the comics... Would you like to see my ID card??

DANAJSPARKS

Friday, September 15, 2017 8:22 AM

Thanks for the welcomes. I'm not really much of a fic writer, just tend to obsess about canon details and worldbuilding. This site is a bit of a rabbit hole for that kind of stuff. :D

MOOSE

Friday, September 15, 2017 9:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by Moose:
Newb? Look who's talking, Wishi!

You do know this is my THIRD account and name on here? We moved and had to switch computers and providers...Anyway, I've been here since the movie was released on video which was December of 2005. I lurked for about six months, but I've been posting since 2006. Eleven years makes me... like...Master Apprentice or something. Brown Belt? Independent Army Sergeant?? I wish I could say I was around since the beginning, but I was busy with having a baby and working when the series came out. I know, excuses, excuses...

I remember the other version of this site, and the blue chat room. I know the fan name for the chat room is "The Juggled Gosling". I'm still and forever a "Flan"....I got my virtual Browncoat from someone named Doncoat eons ago. I've talked to hundreds of newbs in chat and on the main page. Been to a few events, got all the comics... Would you like to see my ID card??

TL/DR. Newb.

WISHIMAY

Friday, September 15, 2017 11:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Moose:

TL/DR. Newb.

I'll take it.

And....I can do things to your brain.

DANAJSPARKS

Saturday, September 16, 2017 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Moose:
I took it that Inara was immediately expelled.
Seems to me that if she had hidden it, they would have pulled her Companion status totally.

If so, then I think this creates some new questions about Inara's past, like what was she doing before she joined Serenity?

It also adds to the mystery of Inara's true age. I'm going to assume that the minimum age for registered companions is 18, which would mean that she's 24, at the very least, when the series begins. Then add to that however many years of experience it takes to be on one's way to becoming House Priestess.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by danajsparks:

It also adds to the mystery of Inara's true age. I'm going to assume that the minimum age for registered companions is 18, which would mean that she's 24, at the very least, when the series begins. Then add to that however many years of experience it takes to be on one's way to becoming House Priestess.

I remember a conversation about that. Just like in the old west 16 was pretty much an old maid, some were speculating that in the future -with as jacked in as kids are now- that 16 would be a more likely age of consent. I think there would be a bit of cultural influence on that as well, with all the blending going on in the 'Verse.

We never do see anything about Inara's family, or even if she has one. I suppose she could have gone home for a while, she's bound to have a relative SOMEWHERE. Unless they were all on Miranda o.O

DANAJSPARKS

Saturday, September 16, 2017 6:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

I remember a conversation about that. Just like in the old west 16 was pretty much an old maid, some were speculating that in the future -with as jacked in as kids are now- that 16 would be a more likely age of consent. I think there would be a bit of cultural influence on that as well, with all the blending going on in the 'Verse.

Yeah, I can definitely see the general age of consent as being about 16, especially since that's currently about the average age on a global scale. However, I feel like there are other factors to consider when it comes to companions, such as child labor laws, sex work regulations, contract law, and maybe even professional licensure requirements. In most countries today, the age of majority is 18, and any kind of sex work under the age 18 is usually illegal. For instance, in the Netherlands, age of consent is 16, but sex workers have to be at least 18.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:53 AM

I've always assumed that to be a Companion they had to go through a kind of Geisha training and education and that it was something that was for the privileged classes in the way of a finishing school. It's clear that the Companions are educated and well-spoken in arts and philosophy. I was actually surprised that Firefly made it on air at all with that, what with all the religious fascists we have in this country. Prolly why we only got the one season...