Ghosts exist, yes or no? On the fence?

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WISHIMAY

Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:56 AM

I think I'll go with "on the fence."

I don't think there is, but I never completely rule out anything I don't know about....

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, October 30, 2013 5:17 AM

Nope.

When the body of evidence remains inconclusive after centuries of investigation, and positive evidence is often shown to have been falsified or used for charlatanism and scams, it is not unreasonable to be skeptical of any claimed phenomenon.

I am atheist as opposed to agnostic for similar reasons.

ECGORDON

Wednesday, October 30, 2013 5:28 AM

No.

OONJERAH

Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:32 PM

Souls, spirits, Yes.

Spooky stuff, hauntings, on the fence ...
More is possible than we know.

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Please consult your local transmedium.

MUTT999

Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:19 PM

Yes.

Proof.

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:55 PM

Nope. Think of how many billions of people have lived on this planet. If there were ghosts they'd be everywhere by now. Since we can't seem to find them I'm going to have to say they don't exist.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:20 PM

Related conjecture: Ghostbusters is still an awesome movie despite the existence or non-existence of ghosts.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:05 AM

Yeah, mah kid really loves those. Was her favorite two years ago, and I hear there may be another in the planning stages, maybe...

http://www.movieweb.com/movie/ghostbusters-3

Still no release date...

ARTCAT81

Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:22 AM

I believe.
My car came with a passenger, it's a 2003 Subaru Baja, I am owner #5, and when I bought it, it had 30,000miles,it's now up to 150,000 and it had a clear title no wrecks. The passenger, I call him George, first few times he appeared in my backseat (while I was driving) I nearly jumped out of my car on a 6 lane highway - thought I was being carjacked (what would you do or think if you saw a 30ish bald pale eyed white guy in your rear view mirror sitting in the back passenger side seat when you knew you were alone in the car?)What stopped me from jumping out was going 65mph, I rolled up to a light hand on the gear shift ready to pull it to park and jump out and run when I realized I could see headlights through his head.

After his first two "visits" I pulled over and had a nice long talk to the air of my car. basically saying "its my car now, you are welcome to enjoy the ride, but I'm not going anywhere and no more freaking me out at hwy speeds!"

He seems to enjoy the ride, and only appears after major car work now vs. much more regular visits when I first bought the car.

His only other trick is cranking the volume up or down on my radio (the volume control you can physically watch turn up or down - if it wasnt physically moving, i would blame an electrical gremlin)- I have 2 other people who have witnessed the volume thing, one did jump out of my car (we were in a drive through) - he took some convincing to get him back in the car. Neither knew about my car's extra passenger.
I was picking up Redfeather (Mr. I don't believe in ghosts) one evening, and as he walked up to the car he kept looking at the back window. He got in and said "Hi guys" I asked who else he was saying hi to, he thought my brother was in the back seat and had to turn around to be convinced I wasnt hiding a brother in the back. He hasn't made fun of my belief in ghosts since that evening.

As much as it freaked me out at first, I find it kinda comforting now knowing I have company, even if I have to fuss sometimes to stop the radio games.

I have other unexplained experiences, but the rest are way easier explained than my car adventures.

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:49 AM

no

AURAPTOR

Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Nope. Think of how many billions of people have lived on this planet. If there were ghosts they'd be everywhere by now. Since we can't seem to find them I'm going to have to say they don't exist.

My view as well. What determines who gets to become a ghost, and who doesn't ? Unresolved issues ? Hell, I bet most of us harken back to missed opportunities or lost loves of some sort. If you tell me that spirits usually just waltz to the here after, with out a care on their minds or longing to 'stay around', I'm not buyin' it.

I think ghosts are like alien visitors... they're in our heads, and no where else.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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MAL4PREZ

Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Nope.

When the body of evidence remains inconclusive after centuries of investigation, and positive evidence is often shown to have been falsified or used for charlatanism and scams, it is not unreasonable to be skeptical of any claimed phenomenon.

I am atheist as opposed to agnostic for similar reasons.

Ditto.

Exactly.

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MAL4PREZ

Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I think ghosts are like alien visitors... they're in our heads, and no where else.

I say this of all the major and minor Gods. They exist as psychological constructs, so their effect on believers is real. But they do exist outside the human spirit/brain and separate, independent, actual existent beings.

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VERASAMUELS

Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:47 PM

Having heard two different Diocesan 'exhorcists' on the subject, I believe there's something, sometimes. Whether that is actually a ghost in the usual understanding of the term is another matter...

Devout Keeper of Jayne's Lunchbox

SECOND

Thursday, January 2, 2014 3:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by VeraSamuels:
. . . I believe there's something, sometimes. Whether that is actually a ghost in the usual understanding of the term is another matter...

Ghosts I've Known

People used to say that the dorm I lived in my sophomore year of college was haunted, that there was a ghost in Hewitt Hall. The details were unclear, but the general consensus was that sometime, a while back, a student had taken his life there and now that same unfortunate soul haunted the dormitory. People claimed they saw things: the figure of a young man behind you as you brushed your teeth in the mirror, an apparition that always vanished when you turned around to investigate.

Some reported hearing loud crashes at the end of the hall, bottles breaking, garbage cans being hurled about. One student swore that every time she went into the co-ed bathrooms a faucet would inexplicably turn off and on by itself. But I never saw or heard anything. And I haunted that dorm far more than any ghost.

( Dec 31 2013 from www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/ghosts-ive-known/282035/ )

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

OONJERAH

Saturday, May 24, 2014 1:55 PM

"Ghosts don't haunt us. That's not how it works. They're present
among us because we won't let go of them." ~Sue Grafton

WISHIMAY

Saturday, May 24, 2014 5:53 PM

I will say one time, I thought I saw the image of a person descend a set of stairs, but I was completely alone and lucid at the time. I have a hard time turning off my brain at night and I think I see a LOT of things that aren't there, so, I dunno.....

OONJERAH

Sunday, May 25, 2014 10:29 AM

When my favorite aunt died, quite expectedly, she appeared
to me in a dream, riding by, smiling ear to ear, very happy.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:31 AM

It would help if you could define what you consider "ghosts" for the purposes of discussion.

Since you haven't, I must say yes. No fence straddling.

If following posters could specify spirit, demon, unascended ghost (stranded, hasn't left yet), waiting spirit/ghost (between death and funeral), haunting, or whatever else, that would help.
Also, audio, physcho, kinetic, visible, sixth sense, whichever.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:51 AM

Yeah, somehow I don't think they stopped to question what it was they were seeing and/or classify it

Lets go with "things out of the ordinary"??

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Yeah, somehow I don't think they stopped to question what it was they were seeing and/or classify it

Lets go with "things out of the ordinary"??

OK, seeing indicates vision, an apparition. I don't think I've seen one, but most kids are more attuned to this, and my childhood talents went away mostly during Boot Camp. I do still believe in the manifestation of a visual presence.

Things out of the ordinary also brings in things which sometimes intersect with spirits, those dead but not yet passed thru, those both dead and already passed thru ("The Light"). Such as remote viewing (used to find bodies as well as other tasks), deja vu, premonition, mediums, others.
If you want to see another demonstration of remote viewing, see the special features on the DVD for Suspect Zero.
That lady from Cleveland (Mary Ann Winkowski) who was the basis and technical expert for The Ghost Whisperer has a pretty good book on her aspect of the subject. But she only does those between death and passing thru, she cannot communicate with those already passed thru.

THGRRI

Thursday, May 21, 2015 7:34 PM

Nope, do not think they do.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, May 22, 2015 5:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by REBECCAHGIFFARD26:
Yes, I believe in ghosts and they really exists because I witnessed one when I was 8 years old while I'm on a vacation inside my grandma's house in the province:)

REBECCAHGIFFARD26

Where was the house? how old was it? Was your Grandmother the first owner of the house?

WISHIMAY

Friday, December 30, 2016 5:08 AM

It could have been a mining controlled explosion, or some other set explosion, like blowing up a small building?

We live within a stone's throw of three mines, we are always shake, rattle, and rolling...

WISHIMAY

Friday, December 30, 2016 5:11 AM

bump

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 24, 2017 5:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
It could have been a mining controlled explosion, or some other set explosion, like blowing up a small building?

We live within a stone's throw of three mines, we are always shake, rattle, and rolling...

Were there deaths at the mine?

WISHIMAY

Friday, February 24, 2017 9:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Were there deaths at the mine?

Probably.

I have had a ton of night terrors since we've been here, but usually the weird things I see and hear can be explained by passing cars or radios or noisy drunken neighbors. It's the ones my brain manifests where people are in the room and talking to me that absolutely scare the high holy bejeezus out of me though. It's like I'm seeing things in dream state, but my eyes are open. One of the reasons I had to start sleeping in another room was I would still be in dream state and flogging hubby to get up, but by the time we were both awake there was no one there. I could FEEL hot breath on my ear sometimes, too.

These days I just sit bolt upright and scream "WHERE'S MY PURSE??!!" I had to start hanging my purse on a hook by the door so I could find it easier. I keep feeling like I've forgotten paperwork, drives me looney tooney.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Were there deaths at the mine?

Probably.

I have had a ton of night terrors since we've been here, but usually the weird things I see and hear can be explained by passing cars or radios or noisy drunken neighbors. It's the ones my brain manifests where people are in the room and talking to me that absolutely scare the high holy bejeezus out of me though. It's like I'm seeing things in dream state, but my eyes are open. One of the reasons I had to start sleeping in another room was I would still be in dream state and flogging hubby to get up, but by the time we were both awake there was no one there. I could FEEL hot breath on my ear sometimes, too.

These days I just sit bolt upright and scream "WHERE'S MY PURSE??!!" I had to start hanging my purse on a hook by the door so I could find it easier. I keep feeling like I've forgotten paperwork, drives me looney tooney.

Noisy drunken neighbors.
I had been under the impression you lived more rural. Do your neighbors also have ghosts from the mine? Are they nearer the mine? If the extra-sensory experiences were mine related, one might think more than just you are getting the same willies.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, February 25, 2017 6:16 AM

It's a rural community, 20 minutes to anywhere, except other rural communities. And I wouldn't want to get to know most of these people well enough to ask them about sleep patterns. I'll have to dig up that thread about the neighborhood stalker and update it

THGRRI

Saturday, February 25, 2017 7:20 AM

I don't understand, what's left to discuss. MUTT999 provided proof at the beginning of the thread, pictures and everything.

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WISHIMAY

Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:19 AM

There is no thread on FFF that can't be picked up and chewed on a little bit more Maybe we should call that.... flossing, hah.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I don't understand, what's left to discuss. MUTT999 provided proof at the beginning of the thread, pictures and everything.

Your gullibility level indicates you are a viewer of CNN, PMSNBC, and other Lib**** Fake News entertainment shows.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:47 AM

He was kidding JSF...

Take the politicals back to RWED, thanks.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, February 27, 2017 2:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
He was kidding JSF...

Take the politicals back to RWED, thanks.

Thank you for pointing out this was not RWED.
Did not realize, with the subject matter.
I had surmised he was kidding. I had intended that you infer I was also joshing, replying in kind.

WISHIMAY

Monday, February 27, 2017 5:49 AM

Um, you need to work on better material. Little dry.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Um, you need to work on better material. Little dry.

I thought it was pretty funny. Actually, at first, JFS, you had me fooled, I thought you'd actually stepped over the line and tracked the mud of of thunderdome, i mean, RWED, into sanityland and punched a browncoat, even if it was only T

Seriously?

Yes, they do. Here's my logic. I've had waking hallucinations and dreams. In those, there are dead people. Everyone else has had this experience too. Those people then tell you things that they might have said. So, they are haunting you.

If someone says they exist in some energyfield or someone else says it's all in your head, either way, they can talk to you and can't touch anything, so what's the difference?

Science could prove that they don't exist, and then in some other form, prove again that they do. Are they sentient connections of their former selves? That's a much harder one to answer. Do I think they travel through some cosmic plane? No, but what do I know? I assume they impress themselves on your subconscious which re-creates them later, but again, what's the difference, the end effect is the same.

For those who want a more mystical approach, I did have this surreal experience as a kid. we were running a B&B in a haunted mansion, it was empty, except for us, and the whole situation was at least the Others level of creepy. This man came to stay one night, he'd never heard of us or the town, but broke down here, very twilight zone. I'd never had a tv and didn't know that the world wasn't really like this, that people didn't really live in haunted castles with no electricity and walk around with candleholders to see their way, i knew they did it in books, and we did, so it all made perfect sense. So that night he went up, and the next morning he asked about the other gentleman who was staying in the building. We asked, and he described a very good desription of the building's creator, who had unbeknownst to him, been shot in the building over a century earlier. It was clear that when we told him that he was genuinely freaked out, so I don't think it was a prank. What he had scene and why, I don't know. He'd perhaps seen a photo somewhere in the house, and then had a dream? or he'd actually saw him standing at the end of the hall as he told us. I'll never know. But again, does it matter?

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Nope.

When the body of evidence remains inconclusive after centuries of investigation, and positive evidence is often shown to have been falsified or used for charlatanism and scams, it is not unreasonable to be skeptical of any claimed phenomenon.

I am atheist as opposed to agnostic for similar reasons.

Byte, does the sense of smell also not exist?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 2, 2017 5:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Um, you need to work on better material. Little dry.

I thought it was pretty funny. Actually, at first, JFS, you had me fooled, I thought you'd actually stepped over the line and tracked the mud of of thunderdome, i mean, RWED, into sanityland and punched a browncoat, even if it was only T

Thanks for yer support. However, I already admitted I thought this was REWD (based on topic), while still replying in kind. And I thanked Wishi for pointing this out.
Quote:

Seriously?

Yes, they do. Here's my logic. I've had waking hallucinations and dreams. In those, there are dead people. Everyone else has had this experience too. Those people then tell you things that they might have said. So, they are haunting you.

These occurrences happened while a child? Or as adult?
I am not sure which discussions you have missed out on during your respite, so I'll mention you should check out the DVD for Suspect Zero (Ben Kingsley, Aaron Eckart, Carrie-Anne Moss) and, if nothing else, view the special featurette demonstration. But not first if you are going to watch the movie - it would be a definite spoiler.

Quote:

If someone says they exist in some energyfield or someone else says it's all in your head, either way, they can talk to you and can't touch anything, so what's the difference?

Science could prove that they don't exist, and then in some other form, prove again that they do. Are they sentient connections of their former selves? That's a much harder one to answer. Do I think they travel through some cosmic plane? No, but what do I know? I assume they impress themselves on your subconscious which re-creates them later, but again, what's the difference, the end effect is the same.

For those who want a more mystical approach, I did have this surreal experience as a kid. we were running a B&B in a haunted mansion, it was empty, except for us, and the whole situation was at least the Others level of creepy. This man came to stay one night, he'd never heard of us or the town, but broke down here, very twilight zone. I'd never had a tv and didn't know that the world wasn't really like this, that people didn't really live in haunted castles with no electricity and walk around with candleholders to see their way, i knew they did it in books, and we did, so it all made perfect sense. So that night he went up, and the next morning he asked about the other gentleman who was staying in the building. We asked, and he described a very good desription of the building's creator, who had unbeknownst to him, been shot in the building over a century earlier. It was clear that when we told him that he was genuinely freaked out, so I don't think it was a prank. What he had scene and why, I don't know. He'd perhaps seen a photo somewhere in the house, and then had a dream? or he'd actually saw him standing at the end of the hall as he told us. I'll never know. But again, does it matter?

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, March 2, 2017 8:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Um, you need to work on better material. Little dry.

I thought it was pretty funny. Actually, at first, JFS, you had me fooled, I thought you'd actually stepped over the line and tracked the mud of of thunderdome, i mean, RWED, into sanityland and punched a browncoat, even if it was only T

Thanks for yer support. However, I already admitted I thought this was REWD (based on topic), while still replying in kind. And I thanked Wishi for pointing this out.
Quote:

Seriously?

Yes, they do. Here's my logic. I've had waking hallucinations and dreams. In those, there are dead people. Everyone else has had this experience too. Those people then tell you things that they might have said. So, they are haunting you.

These occurrences happened while a child? Or as adult?
I am not sure which discussions you have missed out on during your respite, so I'll mention you should check out the DVD for Suspect Zero (Ben Kingsley, Aaron Eckart, Carrie-Anne Moss) and, if nothing else, view the special featurette demonstration. But not first if you are going to watch the movie - it would be a definite spoiler.
Quote:

If someone says they exist in some energyfield or someone else says it's all in your head, either way, they can talk to you and can't touch anything, so what's the difference?

Science could prove that they don't exist, and then in some other form, prove again that they do. Are they sentient connections of their former selves? That's a much harder one to answer. Do I think they travel through some cosmic plane? No, but what do I know? I assume they impress themselves on your subconscious which re-creates them later, but again, what's the difference, the end effect is the same.

For those who want a more mystical approach, I did have this surreal experience as a kid. we were running a B&B in a haunted mansion, it was empty, except for us, and the whole situation was at least the Others level of creepy. This man came to stay one night, he'd never heard of us or the town, but broke down here, very twilight zone. I'd never had a tv and didn't know that the world wasn't really like this, that people didn't really live in haunted castles with no electricity and walk around with candleholders to see their way, i knew they did it in books, and we did, so it all made perfect sense. So that night he went up, and the next morning he asked about the other gentleman who was staying in the building. We asked, and he described a very good desription of the building's creator, who had unbeknownst to him, been shot in the building over a century earlier. It was clear that when we told him that he was genuinely freaked out, so I don't think it was a prank. What he had scene and why, I don't know. He'd perhaps seen a photo somewhere in the house, and then had a dream? or he'd actually saw him standing at the end of the hall as he told us. I'll never know. But again, does it matter?

okay i missed that detail

second, as an adult. i didn't know a lot of dead people as a child. the story of the B&B i was a kid but i wasn't the one who saw dead people then.

THGRRI

Friday, March 3, 2017 12:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Um, you need to work on better material. Little dry.

I thought it was pretty funny. Actually, at first, JFS, you had me fooled, I thought you'd actually stepped over the line and tracked the mud of of thunderdome, i mean, RWED, into sanityland and punched a browncoat, even if it was only T

He did cross over. Just as you tried to do. In a way that is not easily noticed. You know that right sockpuppet err, dreamtrove?

No harm no foul.

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DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 3, 2017 12:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
He did cross over. Just as you tried to do. In a way that is not easily noticed. You know that right sockpuppet err, dreamtrove?

No harm no foul.

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Sorry T, I missed me taking politics out of RWED. I'll snark everyone. I actually thought he was joking, continuing your joke about the pictures of ghosts, which in turn was snarking all of RWED. Now I see he just fell for it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, March 3, 2017 4:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Um, you need to work on better material. Little dry.

I thought it was pretty funny. Actually, at first, JFS, you had me fooled, I thought you'd actually stepped over the line and tracked the mud of of thunderdome, i mean, RWED, into sanityland and punched a browncoat, even if it was only T

Thanks for yer support. However, I already admitted I thought this was REWD (based on topic), while still replying in kind. And I thanked Wishi for pointing this out.
Quote:

Seriously?

Yes, they do. Here's my logic. I've had waking hallucinations and dreams. In those, there are dead people. Everyone else has had this experience too. Those people then tell you things that they might have said. So, they are haunting you.

These occurrences happened while a child? Or as adult?
I am not sure which discussions you have missed out on during your respite, so I'll mention you should check out the DVD for Suspect Zero (Ben Kingsley, Aaron Eckart, Carrie-Anne Moss) and, if nothing else, view the special featurette demonstration. But not first if you are going to watch the movie - it would be a definite spoiler.
Quote:

If someone says they exist in some energyfield or someone else says it's all in your head, either way, they can talk to you and can't touch anything, so what's the difference?

Science could prove that they don't exist, and then in some other form, prove again that they do. Are they sentient connections of their former selves? That's a much harder one to answer. Do I think they travel through some cosmic plane? No, but what do I know? I assume they impress themselves on your subconscious which re-creates them later, but again, what's the difference, the end effect is the same.

For those who want a more mystical approach, I did have this surreal experience as a kid. we were running a B&B in a haunted mansion, it was empty, except for us, and the whole situation was at least the Others level of creepy. This man came to stay one night, he'd never heard of us or the town, but broke down here, very twilight zone. I'd never had a tv and didn't know that the world wasn't really like this, that people didn't really live in haunted castles with no electricity and walk around with candleholders to see their way, i knew they did it in books, and we did, so it all made perfect sense. So that night he went up, and the next morning he asked about the other gentleman who was staying in the building. We asked, and he described a very good desription of the building's creator, who had unbeknownst to him, been shot in the building over a century earlier. It was clear that when we told him that he was genuinely freaked out, so I don't think it was a prank. What he had scene and why, I don't know. He'd perhaps seen a photo somewhere in the house, and then had a dream? or he'd actually saw him standing at the end of the hall as he told us. I'll never know. But again, does it matter?

okay i missed that detail

second, as an adult. i didn't know a lot of dead people as a child. the story of the B&B i was a kid but i wasn't the one who saw dead people then.

Many people lose the ability to perceive extra-sensory when they transition to adult. These inter-connected abilities can include ghosts, Deja Vu, precognition, remote viewing, helping the dead cross over, OBE, etc. If you had the ability as an adult, you may still retain the capability.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 3, 2017 11:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Many people lose the ability to perceive extra-sensory when they transition to adult. These inter-connected abilities can include ghosts, Deja Vu, precognition, remote viewing, helping the dead cross over, OBE, etc. If you had the ability as an adult, you may still retain the capability.

I lost the ability in my 30s when I was "cured" by the men in white coats. That made me "sane" which I wish someday to learn to undo, after I learn how to survive.

I spent some time working through the science of it, and what I came to was that, okay, maybe we live in an SE Lain world, and there's something existential going on; or maybe our network is just the collective unconscious.

If you think about it, ants achieve both telepathy and the intelligence of roughly a human, even though we have a million times larger a brain, through their amazing ability to tap into the collective unconscious. Ergo, it's pretty powerful stuff. Certainly it's how dreams work. All those people in your dreams are recorded copies of real people, but they're amazingly accurate in anyway. That girl who turned you down? good luck picking her up in your dream. She's probably stilll miffed at you.

But why not, I mean, we exist in the communication between brain cells within our own body. If we show up in other people's dreams, and we know we do, than that reflection can have a larger dispersion across the larger network.

If someone were to broadcast themselves to me to the point where they appear in my dreams, then i broadcast myself to you, it's possible, and probable, that i'm also rebroadcasting them as well, even though you haven't met them and may not even know they exist.

I did some neurological work in grad school on nano-networking that occurs inside brain cells. Networks get duplicated on a smaller and smaller level, where an entire human consciousness can be replicated inwards, because the limiting factor is really the size of the moleules. So, while the cell is If the brain is e+2 and each cell of is ergo e-10, there is another e-14 within it. Which is plenty of wiggleroom to work form.

Deja vu I picture as working the same way as chess. You've unconsciously calculated the possible events of the next six moves and discarded all of the dead ends, and then went on to the seventh. the brain could do the same thing with time on an epic scale.

With ghosts, the next question would be, if a conscious can exist and transmit itself in this form, how long could it theoretically realistically survive for? I know that viruses that transcribe some or all of their dna can be reconstituted thousands of years later even if the initial dna has decayed, as long as the fragments are brought back into contact.

This leads me to the idea that it's theoretically possible for such a transferred image of a consciousness to reconstitute and possess someone. I think that's not likely as the host would hopefully have a much strong consciousness themselves. But this is a Sci-fi forum, so do i think all of that is possible? Yes, with or without a serial experiment lain universe, which I definitely cannot prove we do not live in.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, March 5, 2017 2:34 AM

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Yeah, somehow I don't think they stopped to question what it was they were seeing and/or classify it

Lets go with "things out of the ordinary"??

OK, seeing indicates vision, an apparition. I don't think I've seen one, but most kids are more attuned to this, and my childhood talents went away mostly during Boot Camp. I do still believe in the manifestation of a visual presence.

Things out of the ordinary also brings in things which sometimes intersect with spirits, those dead but not yet passed thru, those both dead and already passed thru ("The Light"). Such as remote viewing (used to find bodies as well as other tasks), deja vu, premonition, mediums, others.
If you want to see another demonstration of remote viewing, see the special features on the DVD for Suspect Zero.
That lady from Cleveland (Mary Ann Winkowski) who was the basis and technical expert for The Ghost Whisperer has a pretty good book on her aspect of the subject. But she only does those between death and passing thru, she cannot communicate with those already passed thru.

Just last night Mary Ann Winkowski was the guest for a few hours of interview and taking phone calls on Coast-to-Cast radio show.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, March 5, 2017 2:50 AM

This looks like nothing more than an exercise in denial of the evidence.
Not trying to belittle, it seems an admirable pursuit of explanation. Like explaining why God must exist because there is no scientific evidence.

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Many people lose the ability to perceive extra-sensory when they transition to adult. These inter-connected abilities can include ghosts, Deja Vu, precognition, remote viewing, helping the dead cross over, OBE, etc. If you had the ability as an adult, you may still retain the capability.

I lost the ability in my 30s when I was "cured" by the men in white coats. That made me "sane" which I wish someday to learn to undo, after I learn how to survive.

I spent some time working through the science of it, and what I came to was that, okay, maybe we live in an SE Lain world, and there's something existential going on; or maybe our network is just the collective unconscious.

If you think about it, ants achieve both telepathy and the intelligence of roughly a human, even though we have a million times larger a brain, through their amazing ability to tap into the collective unconscious. Ergo, it's pretty powerful stuff. Certainly it's how dreams work. All those people in your dreams are recorded copies of real people, but they're amazingly accurate in anyway. That girl who turned you down? good luck picking her up in your dream. She's probably stilll miffed at you.

But why not, I mean, we exist in the communication between brain cells within our own body. If we show up in other people's dreams, and we know we do, than that reflection can have a larger dispersion across the larger network.

If someone were to broadcast themselves to me to the point where they appear in my dreams, then i broadcast myself to you, it's possible, and probable, that i'm also rebroadcasting them as well, even though you haven't met them and may not even know they exist.

I did some neurological work in grad school on nano-networking that occurs inside brain cells. Networks get duplicated on a smaller and smaller level, where an entire human consciousness can be replicated inwards, because the limiting factor is really the size of the moleules. So, while the cell is If the brain is e+2 and each cell of is ergo e-10, there is another e-14 within it. Which is plenty of wiggleroom to work form.

Deja vu I picture as working the same way as chess. You've unconsciously calculated the possible events of the next six moves and discarded all of the dead ends, and then went on to the seventh. the brain could do the same thing with time on an epic scale.

I've played Chess, and I've had a lot of Deja Vu - I don't see any correlation which fits your description - it doesn't mesh with reality for me.
Sounds, spoken words, gestures, specific clothes, people, knowing what is about to happen behind you a second before it happens, what somebody is about to say a second before it happens, what will crash or fall a second before it happens, all happening at the one and only time and place in the universal timeline that it could possibly happen. I don't see how that fits your description - so maybe I don't understnad your explanation.
The Deja Vu episode I recall as most repetitive repeated at least 13 times - I didn't count the repetitions prior to those - until the final time was the only place , time, year, date in world history that it could have happened - so it was the real world event, yet it felt exactly as real as all of the prior 13+ sequences.

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With ghosts, the next question would be, if a conscious can exist and transmit itself in this form, how long could it theoretically realistically survive for? I know that viruses that transcribe some or all of their dna can be reconstituted thousands of years later even if the initial dna has decayed, as long as the fragments are brought back in

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, March 5, 2017 9:14 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Chess, Nostradomus...
Or of people in your future, who you will meet through others you have also not met yet, from other events which have not transpired yet? It would seem that for events which happen in the future, there are many limitations to your concept of rebroadcasting dreams.

I am not familiar with SE Lain, so maybe that is a major missing portion of the explanation for me.

Okay, see Serial Experiment Lain. Essentially the idea that the universe can be explained in terms of information theory. It's true that you can posit 3 dimensional space and everything in it form the basic relations of information theory as sort of foregone conclusions, which leads one to the possibility that even a matrix like reality would be conceivable. The computational power would be immense and that's not where SE Lain goes. But that the universe itself is capable of hold and transmitting data.

That's one possibility outside of the collective unconscious.

One thing in any science is if you are to accept the possibility of a science, like precognition or life after death, in addition to "accepted science" then, as with all other sciences, there will be crackpots in that field. So, a large number of things you read are going to be bogus, but that doesn't mean that the phenomenon doesn't exist.

So, taking my own experiences, and filing them into one of these two categories as the SE Lain possibility, that the fabric of spacetime is an information network, then the solution seems self evident. Alternatively, as collective unconscious, they may in face be echoes, like in the Dr. Who episode with the library, but instead within a computer system, this is within the human mind as an information network, or rather the human race. Since we know ants and bees and termites function in this fashion, it's not inconceivable to think that humans could.

And could would be the second operative word. Not everyone would necessarily leave an imprint on either information system.

As for future people: If the imprint is significant enough, it might create a self-perpetuating influence. Figure even with a human collective unconscious as the information system, a human makes x # of impressions on x # of humans, and then exists in a shadow within those humans, that shadow could then create a secondary reflection, and with enough reinforcement, could ultimately create one stronger than the initial impressions. If so, then I'd probably have to concede to the possbility of the divinity of Christ. I figure that the people who sincerely believe in him may very well have met him.

Have I met ghosts I didn't know? Yes. Can I confirm this? No, i didn't know them, so I can't definitely say that vision was this dead person, it's possible that I was delusional (dubious) or that it was some form of alien life (skeptical but possible) I've gone through a number of other possible explanations in my life, such as that perhaps we have several little currents of neural soul living inside of us, and one takes over control of the brain and becomes "us" and these others are people that didn't.

Now as to the chess question.
If you see the universe as an infinite chess game and the mind as an infinite computer, than there would be a logically determinable number of steps that could be theoretically predicted by the mind. Logically, this could force us out of the narrow time window of unmeasurably small monomer events into a spectrum of temporal range of a moving time window. In fact, it more or less must be so, since the brain cannot process data at the same rate things can happen. If this window is normally .075 seconds, then with the proper amount of subconscious precognition, it could expand to say 7.5 seconds, which would be pretty much in the window of deja vu, without any trouble, and could expand a great deal further if dealing with more vague details of larger situations.

Nost

STYLEVISION

Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:34 PM

I still believe that Ghost does exist. I saw my grandfather who died after a few days when I was younger.

StyleVision

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, November 16, 2017 12:36 AM

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Chess, Nostradomus...
Or of people in your future, who you will meet through others you have also not met yet, from other events which have not transpired yet? It would seem that for events which happen in the future, there are many limitations to your concept of rebroadcasting dreams.

I am not familiar with SE Lain, so maybe that is a major missing portion of the explanation for me.

Okay, see Serial Experiment Lain. Essentially the idea that the universe can be explained in terms of information theory. It's true that you can posit 3 dimensional space and everything in it form the basic relations of information theory as sort of foregone conclusions, which leads one to the possibility that even a matrix like reality would be conceivable. The computational power would be immense and that's not where SE Lain goes. But that the universe itself is capable of hold and transmitting data.

That's one possibility outside of the collective unconscious.

One thing in any science is if you are to accept the possibility of a science, like precognition or life after death, in addition to "accepted science" then, as with all other sciences, there will be crackpots in that field. So, a large number of things you read are going to be bogus, but that doesn't mean that the phenomenon doesn't exist.

So, taking my own experiences, and filing them into one of these two categories as the SE Lain possibility, that the fabric of spacetime is an information network, then the solution seems self evident. Alternatively, as collective unconscious, they may in face be echoes, like in the Dr. Who episode with the library, but instead within a computer system, this is within the human mind as an information network, or rather the human race. Since we know ants and bees and termites function in this fashion, it's not inconceivable to think that humans could.

And could would be the second operative word. Not everyone would necessarily leave an imprint on either information system.

As for future people: If the imprint is significant enough, it might create a self-perpetuating influence. Figure even with a human collective unconscious as the information system, a human makes x # of impressions on x # of humans, and then exists in a shadow within those humans, that shadow could then create a secondary reflection, and with enough reinforcement, could ultimately create one stronger than the initial impressions. If so, then I'd probably have to concede to the possbility of the divinity of Christ. I figure that the people who sincerely believe in him may very well have met him.

Have I met ghosts I didn't know? Yes. Can I confirm this? No, i didn't know them, so I can't definitely say that vision was this dead person, it's possible that I was delusional (dubious) or that it was some form of alien life (skeptical but possible) I've gone through a number of other possible explanations in my life, such as that perhaps we have several little currents of neural soul living inside of us, and one takes over control of the brain and becomes "us" and these others are people that didn't.

Now as to the chess question.
If you see the universe as an infinite chess game and the mind as an infinite computer, than there would be a logically determinable number of steps that could be theoretically predicted by the mind. Logically, this could force us out of the narrow time window of unmeasurably small monomer events into a spectrum of temporal range of a moving time window. In fact, it more or less must be so, since the brain cannot process data at the same rate things can happen. If this window is normally .075 seconds, then with the proper amount of subconscious precognition, it could expand to say 7.5 seconds, which would be pretty much in the window of deja vu, without any trouble, and could expand a great deal further if dealing with more

THGRRI

Thursday, November 16, 2017 12:44 AM

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Nope, do not think they do.

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:23 AM

I would say generally no, but I'm not to fully rule some mystic, dimensional, higher spiritual thing out...who knows, I feel the world around us, almost 100% is largely real and logical....maybe something exists or ghost if you will. Largely in this world all is what you see, touch, feel, a physical scientific rational explanation...but there might be something more, there might also be an element of faith...like wish or a blessing or a hex or curse...if you do not believe it does not influence your life.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, January 2, 2018 4:32 PM

Science says no , so I'm going w/ that.

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2017/02/16/has_the_large_hadron_
collider_disproved_the_existence_of_ghosts.html

OONJERAH

Wednesday, January 3, 2018 4:01 AM

Some mystic, dimensional, higher spiritual reading ...
mostly, I can invalidate such silliness.

But -- Berkeley Psychic Institute: had some readings there.
Mind-boggling accurate.
But no, I don't believe in it.

Otoh, at night, I can't walk into a "haunted house."

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, January 4, 2018 9:08 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Some mystic, dimensional, higher spiritual reading ...
mostly, I can invalidate such silliness.

But -- Berkeley Psychic Institute: had some readings there.
Mind-boggling accurate.
But no, I don't believe in it.

Otoh, at night, I can't walk into a "haunted house."

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

You seem to be linking ghosts and psychic readings.

Do you not believe in the ghosts, and/or the phychics, and/or the links between them?

THGRRI

Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:38 PM

Nope

T

WISHIMAY

Friday, January 12, 2018 10:44 AM

BUMP^

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:20 AM

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BUMP^

You are hoping for an expansion of "Nope" now?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:21 AM

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Well, this evening at around 5:30pm, I just saw my 6th ghost. Lady that I know had known my whole life died in late November. I was at her old house standing at the kitchen sink and she walked by the dining room door heading towards the living room. Very quick, I didn't see her for more than a couple of seconds but I know it was her.

Was that a visitation or something, at her house?

MOOSE

Saturday, January 13, 2018 9:10 AM

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BUMP^
You are hoping for an expansion of "Nope" now?

The thread was bumped up so it would be easier to find.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, January 13, 2018 8:36 PM

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Well, this evening at around 5:30pm, I just saw my 6th ghost. Lady that I know had known my whole life died in late November. I was at her old house standing at the kitchen sink and she walked by the dining room door heading towards the living room. Very quick, I didn't see her for more than a couple of seconds but I know it was her.
Was that a visitation or something, at her house?

It was a visitation at her house. She was wearing a blue blouse and gray pants. Fairly tall with short gray hair.

That is a good time and place for a sighting.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 19, 2018 5:45 AM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
JSF, you are starting to annoy me here.

My only choice is whether or not to tell the people who are living there that I have seen this lady.

Don't let the hater's get you down Brenda. :)

I didn't scour this whole thread to see what everybody's take on the possibility of ghosts is, but it does seem to be overwhelmingly skeptical.

I believe I may have shared the story of the green light before, but did I tell you about the night my grandfather died? I actually have no recollection of this, but the way my mom told me about it gave me chills.

I was 5 years old. My parents were recently divorced, and it was late in the night. I was in the small bedroom where my brothers and I somehow all managed to sleep and my mom was in hers when the phone rang. It was my dad telling her that his dad had passed away. Shortly after my mom hung the phone up, I came into her bedroom and asked what was wrong with Grandpa and told her that he had come to say goodbye to me.

I don't know exactly it is what I believe in, but I've seen and have been a part of some really strange shit in my youth. Now that everything has become so mundane, I wish more things like that would happen to me, but I don't think I have the type of brain that is open to seeing any of it anymore.

I guess my advice to you about whether or not to share your sighting with the people who would have known the ghost is to keep it to yourself unless it continues to happen and you feel that telling somebody would make it stop. Most people you would tell something like this to are just going to look at you like you're crazy. Unless you have a close relationship with them and know that it would be taken at least somewhat seriously, I don't see any positive things that could come of sharing your encounter with them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, January 19, 2018 7:48 PM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
JSF, you are starting to annoy me here.

My only choice is whether or not to tell the people who are living there that I have seen this lady.

Sorry for annoyance. That was not my intention, and I don't know why/how I have annoyed you in this thread.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, January 20, 2018 5:41 PM

The only thing that I could say that was ever close to that for me was knowing that my Uncle had killed himself when my Dad called to tell me. I think that was more intuition than anything else though. When we were both living at my grandmas for a few years before we had really bonded and become like brothers. I moved away for a great job and rarely came in to visit anymore. The last time I saw him he gave me a big hug, which we never did. I thought he had just really missed having me around at the time, but when my Dad called me a week or so later I just had a feeling I knew what he was calling me about.

It's strange. It's like I knew, but I only knew right that second. My uncle had a past when he was younger but as far as I knew he had never attempted it while I was alive. I didn't have any worries he was going to do it or I would have told my Dad at least.

I really miss that sonofabitch. One of the smartest people I've ever known.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Monday, January 22, 2018 4:37 PM

spammer bump^

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 23, 2018 6:22 PM

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The only member of my dad's family outside of my dad that I miss is his oldest sister. She really seemed to understand what I was going through when my dad died and I could always talk to her until her death. I miss her too.

I've only cried twice that I can remember since I've been an "adult". Just a little one when my Uncle passed and that finally set in after I found a tackle box he had left for me with some personal stuff in it and an ounce of weed he decided he wasn't ever going to have a need for anymore.

When my grandma died of cancer a few years back I cried like a baby. It was like I couldn't turn it off. It was exhausting. It made me wish that I could cry more, actually. I didn't get to see her before she passed and it was the closure that I needed. I do find myself occasionally dialing her number still from time to time, though I do catch myself before I actually send the call. That's always rough. :(

I feel for ya, Brenda. I know how rough it is losing somebody you really care about when you're not exactly fond of making new close relationships.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Wednesday, January 24, 2018 3:41 AM

NO

T

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, July 4, 2023 11:16 PM

maybe they were unhealthy

Vaccine Damage?

conspiracy says people share same bad dream or vision

VACCINATED ELDERLY WOMAN SUFFERS THE 'DEATH SPIN' BUT LIVED TO TELL THE TALE OF THE DEMONS SHE SAW

https://www.bitchute.com/video/SwSEEYYfuGyZ/

The Spiral of Death Compilation

https://odysee.com/@Adverse:c/The_Spiral_of_Death_Compilation:9

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 5, 2023 6:04 AM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
maybe they were unhealthy

Vaccine Damage?

conspiracy says people share same bad dream or vision

VACCINATED ELDERLY WOMAN SUFFERS THE 'DEATH SPIN' BUT LIVED TO TELL THE TALE OF THE DEMONS SHE SAW

https://www.bitchute.com/video/SwSEEYYfuGyZ/

The Spiral of Death Compilation

https://odysee.com/@Adverse:c/The_Spiral_of_Death_Compilation:9

Must be the nanobots communicating with each other.

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