Is Trump Nuts?

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SECOND

Monday, March 27, 2017 4:53 PM (P)

Trump has hit the quadfecta. He has now blamed all four of the following for the failure of Trumpcare, leaving no one else but himself or Hillary to blame.

1) Paul Ryan, for insisting on doing health care before tax reform and then being unable to shepherd the bill through the House.
2) The Freedom Caucus, for voting against his bill.
3) Democrats, for...being the opposition party, I guess.
4) Obama, for deliberately designing Obamacare to fail in 2017.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/breaking-donald-trump-played-go
lf-weekend

If Trumpcare can't pass, it would be best to work on making Obamacare better. Remember, Trump promised better health care. This could be done fairly easily, since it's mostly tweaks that the old law needed. There are even deals to be made here. Democrats would probably be willing to give Republicans some things they want (tort reform, expanded HSAs, etc.) in return for modest changes that would make Obamacare more stable. But that's a fantasy.

Trump has predicted for years that Obamacare will explode and being right will make him happier than preventing the explosion. That’s nuts.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, March 27, 2017 7:28 PM (P)

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
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Originally posted by second:
. . . in the past two months we've had a botched raid in Yemen; two attacks in Syria with heavy civilian casualties; and now an airstrike in Mosul that left hundreds of civilians dead. It's fair to wonder if a guy whose idea of military strategy is to "bomb the shit out of ISIS" has also decided that he doesn't much care about civilian casualties while he's doing it.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/mosul-yet-another-botched-opera
tion

Don't stop your research after only two months Second.

Go all the way back from now to 2004 and let me know what you turn up.

“There’s a playbook in Washington that presidents are supposed to follow that comes out of the foreign-policy establishment,” Obama said. “The playbook prescribes responses to different events, and these responses tend to be militarized. Where America is directly threatened, the playbook works. But the playbook can also be a trap that can lead to bad decisions.”

I’ll be sad to see that attitude gone from the White House.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions Second.

So what you're telling me is that it was okay that Obama did the exact same thing for 8 years because he was a better public speaker than Trump is.

SECOND

Monday, March 27, 2017 8:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

The path to hell is paved with good intentions Second.

So what you're telling me is that it was okay that Obama did the exact same thing for 8 years because he was a better public speaker than Trump is.

You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars, was standing in the way of all those people who routinely demand that dropping more tons of bombs and firing more cruise missiles is the first and best answer to every problem. On the other hand, Trump wants to "bomb the shit" out of terrorism. Remember when Trump sent a mission to Yemen? Trump doesn't do detailed plans as Commander-in-Chief. With him, it is improvise all the way, all the time.
www.npr.org/2017/02/10/514378178/fact-check-trumps-yemen-raid-winning-
mission-or-failure-its-not-so-simple

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Monday, March 27, 2017 10:42 PM (P)

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You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars ...

So basically what you're saying is that there are people in positions of authority .... in this case, the Pentagon .... who are plotting things that go against the President's plans?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, that such a thing would happen!

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1KIKI

Monday, March 27, 2017 11:57 PM (P)

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Originally posted by G:
I was watching them try and impeach gwb - maybe you forgot they actually tried, that it wasn't just you?

WRONG. AGAIN.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/30/george-w-bush-impeach
-congress-iraq-ask-usa-today/22623773/
Republicans' vote to impeach helped boost Clinton's approval rating to an astronomical 73% in December 1998, according to a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup poll (by comparison, President Obama is lucky to get 50% these days). At the same time, public approval of Republicans fell to an abysmal 31%.

When Democrats started talking about impeaching President George W. Bush for supposedly lying about the reason for the 2003 invasion of Iraq – weapons of mass destruction that were never found – the lessons of the Clinton impeachment were still fresh. Democratic leaders wanted nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

1KIKI

Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:00 AM (P)

G

I'M WAITING FOR A RESPONSE TO THE POINT YOU POSTED, WHICH I ADDRESSED.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Is Trump Nuts? Every time I read the title Is Trump Nuts?, the first thing that pops into my head is - do I care? And the answer always is - No. Not until such time as it looks like he's driving the car into WWIII.

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Originally posted by G:
Says Kiki thinking only of herself as usual.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, and everyone else and the rest of the entire planet that could be ashed and radiated to death, or perish in a nuclear winter.

Did those minor concerns that are - may I point out - NOT about me - escape your notice?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

1KIKI

Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:04 AM (P)

SECOND, I'M WAITING FOR A RESPONSE TO THE POINT YOU POSTED, WHICH I ADDRESSED.

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Originally posted by second:
Out of all rich countries in the world, the USA has the worst distribution of wealth.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Is he jonesing for WWIII like 'Hillary and the neocons'™? No. Good. Everything else is fixable later on.

BTW, Hillary never made improving the economy and jobs part of her platform.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/22/hillary-cl
intons-top-10-campaign-promises/

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

1KIKI

Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:05 AM (P)

SECOND, I'M WAITING FOR A RESPONSE TO THE POINT YOU POSTED, WHICH I ADDRESSED.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
You are doing a variation on the ancient antiwar slogan “Better Red Than Dead”

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Better anything than dead - not as hyperbole, but as reality.

'Hillary and the neocons™' reckless war-mongering, and intention to ceaselessly provoke Russia - with no apparent aim or end - is what was truly insane.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:24 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

The path to hell is paved with good intentions Second.

So what you're telling me is that it was okay that Obama did the exact same thing for 8 years because he was a better public speaker than Trump is.
You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars, was standing in the way of all those people who routinely demand that dropping more tons of bombs and firing more cruise missiles is the first and best answer to every problem. On the other hand, Trump wants to "bomb the shit" out of terrorism. Remember when Trump sent a mission to Yemen? Trump doesn't do detailed plans as Commander-in-Chief. With him, it is improvise all the way, all the time.
www.npr.org/2017/02/10/514378178/fact-check-trumps-yemen-raid-winning-
mission-or-failure-its-not-so-simple

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I'm showing a little too much bias? That's hilarious.

How do you think these things go down Second? Is it like a Hollywood movie where they're all viewing it on a huge screen in an Apollo 13 Huston type setting, with Trump standing right in the center of it saying "Bomb the Hell out of those bastards!" as a woman in a hajib looks up at the camera in the drone and shields her children's eyes before it cuts to black?

I'm not even making a comment here about either "side". I'm not making a comment about Trump or Obama or GWB.

What I'm commenting about is You and your echo chamber here. The people that either didn't know this was going on while Obama was president or didn't care at all about it, but now can't stop talking about it.

If anything, it's just showing your unbridled bias.

Know Thyself Second.

I'll just keep saying that and maybe one day you'll get it.

1KIKI

Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:54 AM (P)

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The House voted 251 to 166 to refer the impeachment resolution to the Judiciary Committee on June 11, where no further action was taken on it.

You must mean the impeachment went to the United States House Committee on the Judiciary, 2008. Let's see, the committee was democratic, headed by Conyers, of Michigan, 2007-2011.

So, thanks for pointing out that the DEMOCRATIC HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DIDN'T PURSUE THE GWB IMPEACHMENT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Committee_on_the_Jud
iciary

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

1KIKI

Tuesday, March 28, 2017 5:01 AM (P)

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I SAID YOU WERE A DUMBSH*T FOR BELIEVING THE FAKE NEWS ABOUT HILLARY.

Really? Where?

MEANWHILE, I have yet to see you respond ON TOPIC, which was the point YOU MADE that all I was concerned about was moi. And I replied:

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, and everyone else and the rest of the entire planet that could be ashed and radiated to death, or perish in a nuclear winter.

Did those minor concerns that are - may I point out - NOT about me - escape your notice?

So, how about those minor concerns like 'everyone else and the rest of the entire planet that could be ashed and radiated to death, or perish in a nuclear winter'? Are they about me, or not?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:50 AM (P)

I just noticed this thread was about Obama wiretapping Trump, and perhaps about Obama illegally disseminating private phone content gleaned from that.

Gee Whiz, talk about a mislabeled Thread Title.

This thread seems more on point:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61444&mid=1
027379#1027379

SECOND

Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:00 PM (P)

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Automation increases what a worker can do. If a company has 100 workers, and automating some drudgery in the work place enables the company to do twice as much, only a relatively unimaginative company would selection reducing the staff to 50 as the only viable option.

If you can't think of anything else for your workers to do, you probably shouldn't be in business, and with 300,000 corporations competing in America, pretty soon, you probably won't be.

Coal is real life example where this kind of thinking is just wrong. As miners get 10 times more productive, the USA does not need 10 times more coal. Who would buy when 9 out of every 10 tons of coal produced are not needed for furnaces?

One of Trump’s crazier promises: Nine-tenths of coal miners are gone
www.wvgazettemail.com/gazette-columns/20170321/james-a-haught-nine-ten
ths-of-coal-miners-are-gone-gazette

The decline in coalmine jobs is glaringly visible in West Virginia.

Our state had 125,000 pick-and-shovel miners in 1950 when I was a teen. Most of the diggers lived in company-owned towns. Coal was the state’s throbbing pulse. Explosions killing scores of miners were common. Violent strikes were common.

In the 1950s, coal owners began replacing human miners with digging machines, and misery followed. Around 70,000 West Virginia miners lost their jobs and fled north via the “hillbilly highway” to Akron and Cleveland. But coal production remained high.

In the 1970s, longwall machines could produce 10 times as much coal with half as many workers. And more jobs vanished because mining switched to huge surface pits, where monster machines and explosives do the work. The number of West Virginia miners continued falling — to the 30,000s in the 1990s, then below 20,000 in the new 21st century. The slump worsened when horizontal drilling and hydraulic “fracking” loosed a flood of cheaper natural gas that grabbed coal markets. Official state figures put today’s total around 12,000.

During coal’s heyday, West Virginia was called the most unionized state — and it voted solidly Democratic. As jobs fizzled, so did organized labor. The state turned “red.” In 2016, Donald Trump vowed: “We’re going to get those miners back to work” — and West Virginia voted for him by one of the largest margins in America.

But even if Trump wipes out federal pollution and safety controls, I doubt that it will “get those miners back to work.” They would stand a better chance if Trump shifted enough federal funds to training for jobs of the future instead of easy but hollow promises that he can’t possibly keep.

The number of highly productive jobs in mining cannot grow without creating a glut of coal, driving down prices and constraining further growth in the wages paid to workers. Meanwhile, the technological capacity to eliminate costly labor in coal mining will continue to improve. To increase the number of coal miners back to what it was in 1950, Trump will have to write an executive order supporting Legacy Coal Mining. It’s all picks and shovels.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars ...
So basically what you're saying is that there are people in positions of authority .... in this case, the Pentagon .... who are plotting things that go against the President's plans?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, that such a thing would happen!

The way the Pentagon prefers to run a mission is to not keep track of civilian deaths. It hates to give a body count sorted into categories: women, children. Then the local newspapers in Yemen keep track for the Pentagon. Then the Pentagon reads about it in the Yemen newspapers and denies it killed who it killed. When the same information makes it into the NYTimes because it sent reporters to the village the Pentagon attacked, the Pentagon denies that report, too. It can’t do anything but deny because it did not keep track. This is the Trump way, which fits very well with the way the Pentagon prefers to operate.
www.npr.org/2017/02/10/514378178/fact-check-trumps-yemen-raid-winning-
mission-or-failure-its-not-so-simple

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 1:43 AM (P)

I'm sure glad that Republicans are restoring the respect for America that we lost after eight years of that empty suit Barack Obama:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/opinion/the-offender-of-the-free
-world.html

When Donald Trump met Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany earlier this month, he put on one of his most truculent and ignorant performances. He wanted money — piles of it — for Germany’s defense, raged about the financial killing China was making from last year’s Paris climate accord and kept “frequently and brutally changing the subject when not interested, which was the case with the European Union.”

This was the summation provided by a senior European diplomat briefed on the meeting. Trump’s preparedness was roughly that of a fourth grader. He began the conversation by telling Merkel that Germany owes the United States hundreds of billions of dollars for defending it through NATO, and concluded by saying, “You are terrific” but still owe all that dough. Little else concerned him.

Trump knew nothing of the proposed European-American deal known as the Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, little about Russian aggression in Ukraine or the Minsk agreements, and was so scatterbrained that German officials concluded that the president’s daughter Ivanka, who had no formal reason to be there, was the more prepared and helpful. (Invited by Merkel, Ivanka will attend a summit on women’s empowerment in Berlin next month.)

Merkel is not one to fuss. But Trump’s behavior appalled her entourage and reinforced a conclusion already reached about this presidency in several European capitals: It is possible to do business with Trump’s national security adviser, Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster, with Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, and with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, but these officials are flying blind because above them at the White House rages a whirlwind of incompetence and ignorance.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 1:47 AM (P)

That's just a lot of negative spin by Trump haters Second.

I like how he handled that.

Merkel won't be a problem for anybody after she's voted out.

SECOND

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:05 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
That's just a lot of negative spin by Trump haters Second.

I like how he handled that.

Eventually he will handle it with "I can't recall" because Trump is having memory problems. Can’t remember Russian mobster Felix Sater.
http://whowhatwhy.org/2017/03/27/fbi-cant-tell-trump-russia/

Sater could simply walk up a flight of stairs to Trump’s office and stop in for an impromptu chat. Indeed, Sater and the Trump clan grew so close that in February 2006, at the personal request of Donald Trump, the mobster joined his children Ivanka, Donald Jr., and his son’s wife Vanessa in Moscow to show them around, according to his deposition testimony.

. . . a few years later, he could still be found in Trump Tower. But now he was apparently working directly for Trump himself, with an office, business cards, phone number and email address all provided by the Trump Organization. The cards identified him as a “Senior Advisor to Donald Trump.”

Today, Trump claims to have trouble remembering Sater.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:19 AM (P)

I'm pretty sure that was an epic win for Trump, and I feel as if you're just confirming that, Second.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:22 AM (P)

To be fair, studies have shown that most human beings can only remember about 150 or so people. Years after high school I still remembered pretty much all the names of people I knew back then, but I'll admit that a lot of the names to the faces I still recall have escaped me now. My circle has never been that large at any other point in my life, so I can't speak from personal experience otherwise.

I'm not saying that he didn't intentionally "forget" this person. I'm not saying that maybe at his age his memory isn't escaping him. One of those things could be true. I'm just saying that there could be other reasons why he doesn't remember this person other than automatically accusing him of something.

Could be that this person who remembers spending time with Trump's family in 2006 hasn't been on his mind much in the last 11 years and was purged from the memory banks.

I guess everything is a nefarious conspiracy when you're looking for one though.

SECOND

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:14 PM (P)

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
I'm pretty sure that was an epic win for Trump, and I feel as if you're just confirming that, Second.

Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family. There will be other deals we will never know about:

A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party.

The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel.

If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy.

News of the negotiations surfaced as President Trump and the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, were preparing for their first meeting, to be held next month.

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/nyregion/kushner-companies-anbang-insurance
-group.html?_r=0

It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:37 PM (P)

Is SECOND nuts?

Is GSTRING nuts?

Is JO nuts?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

SECOND

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Is SECOND nuts?

Is GSTRING nuts?

Is JO nuts?

Is Stephen Colbert's Late Show nuts for joking about Trump's nuttiness? Trump supporters won't watch Colbert since the show stopped being fair and balanced about Trump's fallibility.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:54 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Is SECOND nuts?

Is GSTRING nuts?

Is JO nuts?

That's easy, no.

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:20 PM (P)

Well, your collective constant and obsessing over everything Trump - big or inconsequential, real or imagined, does indicate an imbalanced mental state.

I kind of went back to MY least favorite GOP President, who was without a doubt Cheney ....er, I mean Bush .... and although I hated that man with a passion and reviled just about everything that he did and loathed all of his neocon/ Zionist appointees, I sure wasn't "on" him for the stupid things you're grinding on and on about Trump. Especially that "Russia" thing! I mean .... really??? You have to be pretty stupid to be taken in by that one!

Blame the guy for the wrong that he does, sure. But give credit where credit is due, and for gods' sake stop obsessing over stuff that isn't even real.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

THGRRI

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:54 PM (P)

Your problem SIG is that you refuse to admit to yourself that in debates leading up to the election, some of us here predicted the Trump failures and incompetence we have been witnessing in real time.

Your post here is subjective bullshit. Trump has no victories on policy, or anything else that make sense. Or, that aren't destructive.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, your collective constant and obsessing over everything Trump - big or inconsequential, real or imagined, does indicate an imbalanced mental state.

I kind of went back to MY least favorite GOP President, who was without a doubt Cheney ....er, I mean Bush .... and although I hated that man with a passion and reviled just about everything that he did and loathed all of his neocon/ Zionist appointees, I sure wasn't "on" him for the stupid things you're grinding on and on about Trump. Especially that "Russia" thing! I mean .... really??? You have to be pretty stupid to be taken in by that one!

Blame the guy for the wrong that he does, sure. But give credit where credit is due, and for gods' sake stop obsessing over stuff that isn't even real.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:32 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
I'm pretty sure that was an epic win for Trump, and I feel as if you're just confirming that, Second.
Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family. There will be other deals we will never know about:

A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party.

The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel.

If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy.

News of the negotiations surfaced as President Trump and the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, were preparing for their first meeting, to be held next month.

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/nyregion/kushner-companies-anbang-insurance
-group.html?_r=0

It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

What does that have to do with Trump spanking Merkel?

SECOND

Friday, March 31, 2017 2:30 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

What does that have to do with Trump spanking Merkel?

Trump will spank nobody. The hundreds of billions of dollars he demanded from Germany for protecting it from Russia? He will get nothing from Merkel. He is that worthless, only good at enriching his family using his corrupt connections to China. China is bankrolling his son-in-law, if you didn't notice. Trump's other promises? Worthless. Maybe the GOP will keep Trump's promises if the promises serve the party, but Trump won't because what is in it for him? He won't get paid extra for making anything happen.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/face-corn-boycott-trump-decides
-nafta-not-so-bad-after-all

Maybe Trump was just blathering all along and never really had any intention of getting tough with Mexico. In the end, he'll build a few more miles of fencing, make a few modest changes to NAFTA, and then call it the greatest boon to the working man since the Wagner Act. I've also read a few pieces recently about China, and apparently all those Goldman Sachs folks he hired have talked Trump into backing down on a trade war there too. I guess Goldman Sachs has to be good for something.

Anyway, having given up on Mexico and China, now Trump is going after the ultra-conservatives of the House Freedom Caucus:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweets:
The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!
6:07 AM - 30 Mar 2017

I'll bet the Caucus is scared shitless. Trump is demonstrating that his talk may be big, but he can't make it stick. In his first two months, he's failed on his immigration order and his health care plan, has no chance of building his wall, and has backed down on Mexico and China. His bark is unquestionably worse than his bite.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 31, 2017 3:50 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family.

Let's hope so. That running for president stuff is expensive, and captain hairpiece and his cadet flirtsalot are both on no salary
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A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party.

Oh look, I found the jew.
Quote:
The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel.

If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy.
He should keep his eye on his last marriage before it spends too much quality time with Justin Trudeau

Quote:
It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe?
It's been going for many years.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 31, 2017 3:51 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Is ~~SECOND~~ SIGNYM nuts?

There, fixed that for ya.

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, March 31, 2017 3:57 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

What does that have to do with Trump spanking Merkel?
Trump will spank nobody. The hundreds of billions of dollars he demanded from Germany for protecting it from Russia? He will get nothing from Merkel. He is that worthless, only good at enriching his family using his corrupt connections to China. China is bankrolling his son-in-law, if you didn't notice. Trump's other promises? Worthless. Maybe the GOP will keep Trump's promises if the promises serve the party, but Trump won't because what is in it for him? He won't get paid extra for making anything happen.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/face-corn-boycott-trump-decides
-nafta-not-so-bad-after-all

Maybe Trump was just blathering all along and never really had any intention of getting tough with Mexico. In the end, he'll build a few more miles of fencing, make a few modest changes to NAFTA, and then call it the greatest boon to the working man since the Wagner Act. I've also read a few pieces recently about China, and apparently all those Goldman Sachs folks he hired have talked Trump into backing down on a trade war there too. I guess Goldman Sachs has to be good for something.

Anyway, having given up on Mexico and China, now Trump is going after the ultra-conservatives of the House Freedom Caucus:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweets:
The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!
6:07 AM - 30 Mar 2017

I'll bet the Caucus is scared shitless. Trump is demonstrating that his talk may be big, but he can't make it stick. In his first two months, he's failed on his immigration order and his health care plan, has no chance of building his wall, and has backed down on Mexico and China. His bark is unquestionably worse than his bite.

lol

SECOND

Friday, March 31, 2017 4:03 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:

Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family.

Let's hope so. That running for president stuff is expensive, and captain hairpiece and his cadet flirtsalot are both on no salary
Quote:
A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party.

Oh look, I found the jew.
Quote:
The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel.

If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy.
He should keep his eye on his last marriage before it spends too much quality time with Justin Trudeau

Quote:
It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe?
It's been going for many years.

The Chinese turned down the deal, so this is NOT a step along the way to Firefly's Chinese/American Alliance:

In a happy moment in the otherwise cloudy world of the Trump family and the flood of financial conflicts they’ve carted into Washington, a major Chinese investor has decided not to pour billions of dollars into a Manhattan skyscraper owned by the Jared Kushner clan.

Had this deal gone forward -- the effect would have been to bail Kushner out of a huge, misbegotten investment while letting his family take home at least $400 million and retain a minority ownership stake in the building -- it would have compromised President Donald Trump's diplomacy with China.

www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-29/senators-please-ask-jared-k
ushner-about-666-fifth-avenue

Now the Trump son-in-law is asking Russians to make him rich. From the same article:

Kushner's meetings with Russian bankers during the presidential transition last fall and winter apparently help explain why the Senate is interested in speaking with him.

The timeline matters. Kushner began talking with Chinese investors about 666 Fifth Avenue last summer, around the time that Trump locked up the Republican nomination. Then he spearheaded more serious talks that took place in New York about a week after his father-in-law was elected in November.

According to the Times, Kushner met with Russia's ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, in early December as part of what appeared to be normal presidential transition meetings. A second Kislyak meeting with a Kushner deputy followed in December, as well as another, brokered by Kislyak, between Kushner and the head of a Russian bank, Vnesheconombank. The U.S. had imposed financial sanctions on that bank because of Russian President Vladimir Putin's military incursions in Ukraine and annexation of Crimea.

Vnesheconombank has close ties to the Kremlin and its chief executive, Sergey Gorkov, attended a training academy for members of Russia's security and intelligence services.

A Trump spokeswoman described Kushner's meetings with the Russians as routine, which they may have been given his role at the time as Trump's liaison to foreign powers.

But given how important 666 Fifth Avenue was for Kushner at the time, it's also possible that he saw the Russians as potential investors alongsi

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, March 31, 2017 4:08 PM (P)

Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.

SECOND

Friday, March 31, 2017 4:13 PM (P)

Trump appears not to care about science. CAN THIS REALLY BE TRUE??? Trump's problem with science is (a) it's bo-o-o-o-o-ring, (b) it's depressing, and (c) it often clashes with stuff Trump wants to do. Why would Trump staff the egghead department, anyway?

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/politics/science-technology-white-house-
trump.html

On the fourth floor of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, the staff of the White House chief technology officer has been virtually deleted, down from 24 members before the election to, by Friday, only one.

....Mr. Trump has not yet named his top advisers on technology or science, and so far, has made just one hire: Michael Kratsios, the former chief of staff for Peter Thiel, the Silicon Valley investor and one of the president’s wealthiest supporters, as the deputy chief technology officer.

Neither Mr. Kratsios, who has a bachelor’s degree in political science from Princeton, nor anyone else still working in the science and technology office regularly participates in Mr. Trump’s daily briefings, as they did for President Barack Obama. “The impression this leaves is that Trump isn’t interested in science and that scientific matters are a low priority at the White House,” said Vinton G. Cerf, a computer scientist, vice president of Google and one of the chief architects of the internet.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, March 31, 2017 4:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Disgraced former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn is asking for an immunity deal. Flynn had a different view of immunity when discussing the Hillary Clinton email investigation on Meet the Press during the campaign season:

“I mean, five people around her have had, have been given immunity, including her former chief of staff,” Flynn told Chuck Todd. “When you are given immunity, that means that you have probably committed a crime.”

www.vox.com/2017/3/30/15132280/michael-flynn-immunity-testify

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, March 31, 2017 5:03 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Taxpayers pick up the tab for Trump’s pricey golf excursions.

Each golf trip costs taxpayers more than $3 million.

Trump family travel and protection costs will surpass half-a-billion dollars by the end of Trump’s four-year term, vastly more than has been spent for any other president. This despite Trump promising “I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done.”

www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-trump-golf-20170327-st
ory.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, March 31, 2017 5:54 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.

“My action today is the latest in a series of steps to create American jobs and to grow American wealth,” President Trump said earlier this week before a group of coal miners.

Trump was announcing the rollback of several Obama-era environmental regulations that would have affected industries such as coal mining. Trump has repeatedly claimed that over-regulation has led to a decline in coal-industry jobs.

“I made them this promise,” Trump said at the signing. “We will put our miners back to work.”

Experts in the industry have already pointed out, repeatedly, that the coal jobs are extremely unlikely to come back. The plight of the coal industry is more a function of changing energy markets and increased demand for natural gas than anything else.

The chief executive of the nation's largest privately held coal operation told the Guardian earlier this month that Trump “can't bring back.”

Another largely overlooked point about coal jobs is that there just aren't that many of them relative to other industries. There are various estimates of coal-sector employment, but according to the Census Bureau's County Business Patterns program, which allows for detailed comparisons with many other industries, the coal industry employed 76,572 people in 2014, the latest year for which data is available.

That number includes not just miners but also office workers, sales staff and all of the other individuals who work at coal-mining companies.

Although 76,000 might seem like a large number, consider that similar numbers of people are employed by, say, the bowling (69,088) and skiing (75,036) industries. Other dwindling industries, such as travel agencies (99,888 people), employ considerably more. Used-car dealerships provide 138,000 jobs. Theme parks provide nearly 144,000. Carwash employment tops 150,000.

Looking at the level of individual businesses, the coal industry in 2014 (76,572) employed about as many as Whole Foods (72,650), and fewer workers than Arby's (close to 80,000), Dollar General (105,000) or J.C. Penney (114,000). The country's largest private employer, Walmart (2.2 million employees) provides roughly 28 times as many jobs as coal.

If anything the numbers above over-estimate the jobs impact of coal relative to other industries. Since 2014 the coal industry has shrunk further according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, to 50,300 employees as of February 2017.

The point isn't that coal jobs don't matter — they matter to the people who have them and to the communities they support, especially as they typically pay far more than do jobs in the retail and service industries, But if you're looking to make a meaningful increase in the number of jobs available to U.S. workers, bringing back coal jobs isn't going to do it.

Of course, part of the fixation on coal is because mining has always loomed large in the American imagination. There's something mysterious and ennobling about the dangerous endeavor to extract valuable commodities from deep within the earth, something that's missing from, say, used-car sales or ski-lift operation.

There's also a larger economic debate about coal's impact on the economy, given the large role it plays in generating the nation's electricity. But while the industry's impact is large, its payrolls aren't.

The other thing about coal is that unlike retail and other industries, coal is highly concentrated in certain regions. When coal mines shut down, towns go under. National media sends reporters and TV crews to those towns, and the resulting coverage can make coal's impact on national employment levels feel much larger than it actually is.

That national impact is only likely to get smaller, regardless of Trump's actions. Even a quarter-century ago, the coal industry employed only 131,000 people. If Trump were to somehow bring all those jobs back, t

THGRRI

Friday, March 31, 2017 7:46 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.
Disgraced former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn is asking for an immunity deal. Flynn had a different view of immunity when discussing the Hillary Clinton email investigation on Meet the Press during the campaign season:

“I mean, five people around her have had, have been given immunity, including her former chief of staff,” Flynn told Chuck Todd. “When you are given immunity, that means that you have probably committed a crime.”

www.vox.com/2017/3/30/15132280/michael-flynn-immunity-testify

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I just started a thread about this SECOND. I didn't see you had posted it here first. My bad....

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

SECOND

Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:10 PM (P)

Trump's approach to intel agencies shows his anxiety, his distrust
https://apnews.com/992ae77585fc4956b29328e49a926c62/Trump%27s-approach
-to-intel-agencies-shows-anxiety,-distrust

Here's a tidbit from the AP about how President Trump might "seize the reins" of the intelligence community:

Officials have expressed an interest in having more raw intelligence sent to the president for his daily briefings instead of an analysis of information compiled by the agencies, according to current and former U.S. officials. The change would have given his White House advisers more control about the assessments given to him and sidelined some of the conclusions made by intelligence professionals.

Trump seems like the kind of guy who could do his own analysis of raw intelligence. They should give it a try. What could go wrong?

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:12 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Trump's approach to intel agencies shows his anxiety, his distrust
https://apnews.com/992ae77585fc4956b29328e49a926c62/Trump%27s-approach
-to-intel-agencies-shows-anxiety,-distrust

Here's a tidbit from the AP about how President Trump might "seize the reins" of the intelligence community:

Officials have expressed an interest in having more raw intelligence sent to the president for his daily briefings instead of an analysis of information compiled by the agencies, according to current and former U.S. officials. The change would have given his White House advisers more control about the assessments given to him and sidelined some of the conclusions made by intelligence professionals.

Trump seems like the kind of guy who could do his own analysis of raw intelligence. They should give it a try. What could go wrong?

And here's a real twist for you, Second,

If he does that, he might very well be the first republican candidate to get my vote.

Don't know if you remember liberals, that we used to be? Remember all those protest marches, where we complained and demanded a return of runaway intelligence agencies to civilian control? How we said that they were fighting a third world war of their own? funding drug cartels in Colombia and terrorists in Nicaragua and gun running their own income racket in Mexico and the inner cities?

If the person who fixes that problem is Donald J Trump, than he deserves the credit just as much as Bernie Sanders would if he were the person who did that.

THGRRI

Sunday, April 2, 2017 4:38 AM (P)

Oh bullshit. He has been working to undermine everything we stand for. All our democratic institutions. Judicial, the house and senate, the media, take your pick. He has also attacked all our allies. Russia

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll. oh my.

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Trump's approach to intel agencies shows his anxiety, his distrust
https://apnews.com/992ae77585fc4956b29328e49a926c62/Trump%27s-approach
-to-intel-agencies-shows-anxiety,-distrust

Here's a tidbit from the AP about how President Trump might "seize the reins" of the intelligence community:

Officials have expressed an interest in having more raw intelligence sent to the president for his daily briefings instead of an analysis of information compiled by the agencies, according to current and former U.S. officials. The change would have given his White House advisers more control about the assessments given to him and sidelined some of the conclusions made by intelligence professionals.

Trump seems like the kind of guy who could do his own analysis of raw intelligence. They should give it a try. What could go wrong?

And here's a real twist for you, Second,

If he does that, he might very well be the first republican candidate to get my vote.

Don't know if you remember liberals, that we used to be? Remember all those protest marches, where we complained and demanded a return of runaway intelligence agencies to civilian control? How we said that they were fighting a third world war of their own? funding drug cartels in Colombia and terrorists in Nicaragua and gun running their own income racket in Mexico and the inner cities?

If the person who fixes that problem is Donald J Trump, than he deserves the credit just as much as Bernie Sanders would if he were the person who did that.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, April 2, 2017 6:42 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Oh bullshit. He has been working to undermine everything we stand for. All our democratic institutions. Judicial, the house and senate, the media, take your pick. He has also attacked all our allies.

Drain that swamp baby

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, April 2, 2017 8:44 AM (P)

Okay, Putin has attacked dissidents in his own country, and three outside engagements come to mind: The National Socialist Party of Ukraine, Georgia, and ISIS. Okay, Georgia I can see, but they were very wrong in S. Ossetia...

But if Putin is attacking all of your allies, you have a very strange looking list of allies.

SECOND

Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:19 PM (P)

This Sunday night, "The Simpsons" will air a suspiciously-timed new episode parodying Trump University, the now-defunct for-profit real estate college.

The episode will feature "Burns University," a for profit college established by evil businessman Montgomery Burns. www.imdb.com/title/tt6012540/

As it happens, the episode will air just two days after the judge granted final approval for a $25 million settlement of three class action lawsuits brought against Trump by former Trump University students. Approximately 3,370 former students alleged that the university had cheated them by use of high pressure sales techniques and outright lies about what they would get out of their time at Trump University.

Trump consistently denied all charges and insisted he would fight them until the lawsuit was defeated. However, Trump abruptly agreed to the $25 million settlement.

The judge, Gonzalo P. Curiel, in San Diego, issued his order after considering a challenge from Sherri Simpson, a former Trump University student from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., whose lawyers say she should have had a chance to opt out of the class-action settlement and individually sue President Trump, perhaps forcing a trial.

The civil settlement was not enough for Ms. Simpson (if only her name was Lisa Simpson, it would have been a real life perfect parody of a Simpsons parody ) who wanted to see Mr. Trump tried on criminal racketeering charges. She also wanted an apology.

But Judge Curiel sided with Trump’s lawyers to take the money and not have a criminal trial or an apology from Trump.

Trump tweeted he “did not have the time to go through a long but winning trial on Trump U.”

In an interview earlier this week, Ms. Simpson said “For him to go out there and say, well, ‘I didn’t do anything wrong,’ it’s disgusting,” she said. “I want an apology.”

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/us/trump-university-settlement.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:22 PM (P)

Trump as a real life parody of Grandpa Simpson:

Trump Held An Executive Order Signing Ceremony, Then Walked Away Without Signing Anything.
"So, he didn't sign them?" one puzzled reporter asked.

"Thank you everybody," Trump said, speaking from the podium. "You're going to be seeing some very, very strong results very, very quickly. Thank you very much." Trump was in no mood to answer questions and bolted for the door. No signature. Was Trump too busy to sit in his chair and sign a paper? Or did questions make him uncomfortable? Or maybe Trump forgot the purpose of the meeting in the Oval Office? Maybe Trump is like Grandpa Simpson who has walked into a room and said, “Why am I here? Is it time to eat? Where are my pills?”

See the pictures of Trump's confusion at
www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/trump-held-an-executive-order-signi
ng-ceremony-then-walked

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:38 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Oh bullshit. He has been working to undermine everything we stand for. All our democratic institutions. Judicial, the house and senate, the media, take your pick. He has also attacked all our allies.

Drain that swamp baby

Clueless baby, you are clueless

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:42 PM (P)

Entertaining version of reality you've got there.

What really happened:

Quote:

Originally post by CNN

(CNN)President Donald Trump walked out of an executive order signing ceremony Friday -- without actually signing the orders.

During the signing ceremony, White House pool reporters asked Trump questions about his former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who has offered to testify on Russian involvement in the US election in return for immunity from prosecution.
The President ignored the questions and moved to another room, only to be followed by Vice President Mike Pence, who picked up the folders containing the two executive orders.

Trump later signed the pair of orders aimed at identifying and targeting foreign trade abuses, according to the White House, but behind closed doors.
One order commissions a 90-day study of US trade deficits with some of its largest trading partners to identify potential trade abuses and cheating. The second directive orders stricter and more effective enforcement of US anti-dumping laws to prevent foreign manufacturers from undercutting US companies by selling goods at an unfair price.

CNN's Jeremy Diamond contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/donald-trump-presidency/index.h
tml

Curiously, the text of CNN's article conflicts with their headline. He signed the orders in the adjoining room where no one was pelting him with questions about Flynn and Russia.

Text of the president's comments to the press:

Quote:
THE PRESIDENT: During the campaign, I traveled the nation and visited the cities and towns devastated by unfair trade policies, probably one of the major reasons I'm here today -- trade. Nobody has ever made bad trade deals like our country has made.

I saw the shuttered factories and spent time with the laid-off factory workers. I heard their stories, and I promised action and I promised them a solution. And all over America, you're already seeing solutions start to take place. Take a look at what's going on Michigan, with Ford and General Motors and Fiat-Chrysler, and so many more.

The jobs and wealth have been stripped from our country. Year after year, decade after decade, trade deficit upon trade deficit -- reaching more than $700 billion last year alone, and lots of jobs. Thousands of factories have been stolen from our country. But these voiceless Americans now have a voice in the White House. Under my administration, the theft of American prosperity will end. We're going to defend our industry and create a level playing field for the American worker -- finally.

Today, I am signing two executive orders that send this message loud and clear and that set the stage for a great revival of American manufacturing. And you saw that today; you saw what happened, you saw the kind of numbers we have. The survey actually showed 93 percent of manufacturers are now optimistic about the future -- a record high -- and that's up from about 56 percent just a couple of months ago. We're going to build on that tremendous momentum. We're bringing manufacturing and jobs back to our country.

First, I'm signing an executive order to ensure that we fully collect all duties imposed on foreign importers that cheat. They're cheaters. From now on, those who break the rules will face the consequences -- and they'll be very severe consequences.

Second, I am ordering the first-ever comprehensive review of America’s trade deficits and all violations of trade rules that harm the United States and the workers of the United States, just as I promised during my campaign. This review will be led by Secretary Wilbur Ross, who is joining us here today.

More:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/31/remarks-presiden
t-trump-et-al-signing-trade-executive-orders

And that was the presses take away? Nothing about manufacturing jobs. Nope. President move to adjoining room.

THGRRI

Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Okay, Putin has attacked dissidents in his own country, and three outside engagements come to mind: The National Socialist Party of Ukraine, Georgia, and ISIS. Okay, Georgia I can see, but they were very wrong in S. Ossetia...

But if Putin is attacking all of your allies, you have a very strange looking list of allies.

To stupid to address directly. So I'll answer you this way. You SIG and 1kiki along with your pet Jack, can twist shit all you want. Russia sucks and is little more than a gas station for Europe. They are a country full of people who need someone to lead them around by the nose, because they are to weak to think and act for themselves. In other words, a bunch of losers. Their fearless leader has the world looking at Russia as though it was a parasite. A country who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return.

Russia
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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

THGRRI

Sunday, April 2, 2017 8:00 PM (P)

It's funny watching you guys scramble to change and spin the facts. Except for the drunk, you are considered to be liars by the other posters here. What really happened is what's being reported in the news. What you post can never be trusted. It's to easy to change a word here and a word there.

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Entertaining version of reality you've got there.

What really happened:

Quote:

Originally post by CNN

(CNN)President Donald Trump walked out of an executive order signing ceremony Friday -- without actually signing the orders.

During the signing ceremony, White House pool reporters asked Trump questions about his former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who has offered to testify on Russian involvement in the US election in return for immunity from prosecution.
The President ignored the questions and moved to another room, only to be followed by Vice President Mike Pence, who picked up the folders containing the two executive orders.

Trump later signed the pair of orders aimed at identifying and targeting foreign trade abuses, according to the White House, but behind closed doors.
One order commissions a 90-day study of US trade deficits with some of its largest trading partners to identify potential trade abuses and cheating. The second directive orders stricter and more effective enforcement of US anti-dumping laws to prevent foreign manufacturers from undercutting US companies by selling goods at an unfair price.

CNN's Jeremy Diamond contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/donald-trump-presidency/index.h
tml

Curiously, the text of CNN's article conflicts with their headline. He signed the orders in the adjoining room where no one was pelting him with questions about Flynn and Russia.

Text of the president's comments to the press:
Quote:
THE PRESIDENT: During the campaign, I traveled the nation and visited the cities and towns devastated by unfair trade policies, probably one of the major reasons I'm here today -- trade. Nobody has ever made bad trade deals like our country has made.

I saw the shuttered factories and spent time with the laid-off factory workers. I heard their stories, and I promised action and I promised them a solution. And all over America, you're already seeing solutions start to take place. Take a look at what's going on Michigan, with Ford and General Motors and Fiat-Chrysler, and so many more.

The jobs and wealth have been stripped from our country. Year after year, decade after decade, trade deficit upon trade deficit -- reaching more than $700 billion last year alone, and lots of jobs. Thousands of factories have been stolen from our country. But these voiceless Americans now have a voice in the White House. Under my administration, the theft of American prosperity will end. We're going to defend our industry and create a level playing field for the American worker -- finally.

Today, I am signing two executive orders that send this message loud and clear and that set the stage for a great revival of American manufacturing. And you saw that today; you saw what happened, you saw the kind of numbers we have. The survey actually showed 93 percent of manufacturers are now optimistic about the future -- a record high -- and that's up from about 56 percent just a couple of months ago. We're going to build on that tremendous momentum. We're bringing manufacturing and jobs back to our country.

First, I'm signing an executive order to ensure that we fully collect all duties imposed on foreign importers that cheat. They're cheaters. From now on, those who break the rules will face the consequences -- and they'll be very severe consequences.

Second, I am ordering the first-ever comprehensive review of America’s trade deficits and all violations of trade rules that harm the United States and the workers of the United States, just as I promised dur

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, April 2, 2017 8:51 PM (P)

In other words, you got nothin'

THGRRI

Sunday, April 2, 2017 8:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
In other words, you got nothin'

No, as I said, it was to stupid to respond to.

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

SECOND

Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:14 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Entertaining version of reality you've got there.

What really happened: . . .

Curiously, the text of CNN's article conflicts with their headline. He signed the orders in the adjoining room where no one was pelting him with questions about Flynn and Russia.

Text of the president's comments to the press: . . .

And that was the presses take away? Nothing about manufacturing jobs. Nope. President move to adjoining room.

You've got a very optimistic view of Trump's nature -- what is going on inside his head when he is alone in the White House with his calligraphy pen and his legal pad of paper for writing executive orders.

Comparing Trump’s impromptu remarks with the actual orders he signed, three questions are answered:

1) Did he write the orders? No.

2) Does he understand the orders? No.

3) Is Trump nuts? That is a judgment call.

But Trump also signed a third executive order on March 31, 2017:
"Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of Justice." Trump knows what is coming in his future. He will be firing his Attorney General, as did Nixon. With this third executive order, Trump has automated who is next in line. I see that Texas and North Carolina can take over when Trump does his own Saturday Night Massacre when faced with his own legal problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre
www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/31/presidential-executive-
order-providing-order-succession-within

www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/31/presidential-executive-
order-establishing-enhanced-collection-and
www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/31/presidential-executive-
order-regarding-omnibus-report-significant-trade

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:57 PM (P)

T: DT's a Liar! He alters news stories! Here's proof! An unaltered news story! I think none of you will actually read it, so I can lie about it!
DT: You got nuttin.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, April 2, 2017 11:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

You've got a very optimistic view of Trump's nature -- what is going on inside his head when he is alone in the White House with his calligraphy pen and his legal pad of paper for writing executive orders.

Second, Keep telling yourself that. Trump is a moron who stumbled into billions of dollars, and the presidency even though all the media and politicians opposed him, because we're a Russian puppet. Trump's not a savvy businessman whose message resonated with the American people, so they voted for him, and now he doing what they asked him to do. Because that's what it looks like from here. That said, I didn't say anything about what is inside his head. I reposted CNN's actual story, which conflicts with their "Grampa" headline that the thought-free zone was going off on.

Promotion from within is a standard business practice, and this one comes from Trump saying on the campaign trail that he would drain the swamp by promoting from within. Again, it's what the people voted for. Which is my point. It's not what I voted for, I voted for Bernie. A politician got elected and now is doing what he said he was going to do. There's no cartoon monkey punching bag, no russian conspiracy, nothing out of the ordinary here. Just a guy doing the job he was hired to do. That's not being naive, that's what's right in front of us when we let the clintonista fantasy version of events fall apart.

Thanks for posting the orders. I see he said specifically the US hasn't benefited from the WTO. Any liberal should be happy with that admission.

I'm not saying "support trump" but that these are issues one at a time, and sometimes he's right.
And sometimes I disagree but his voters agree. And that's politics.

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, April 3, 2017 12:58 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
In other words, you got nothin'

Every time he brings up my drinking it comes from a place of weakness and impotence.

2017 has been a very productive year for me so far. It doesn't sound like it's been very good for T.

SECOND

Monday, April 3, 2017 1:00 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:

You've got a very optimistic view of Trump's nature -- what is going on inside his head when he is alone in the White House with his calligraphy pen and his legal pad of paper for writing executive orders.

Second, Keep telling yourself that. Trump is a moron who stumbled into billions of dollars, and the presidency even though all the media and politicians opposed him, because we're a Russian puppet. Trump's not a savvy businessman whose message resonated with the American people, so they voted for him, and now he doing what they asked him to do. Because that's what it looks like from here. That said, I didn't say anything about what is inside his head. I reposted CNN's actual story, which conflicts with their "Grampa" headline that the thought-free zone was going off on.

Promotion from within is a standard business practice, and this one comes from Trump saying on the campaign trail that he would drain the swamp by promoting from within. Again, it's what the people voted for. Which is my point. It's not what I voted for, I voted for Bernie. A politician got elected and now is doing what he said he was going to do. There's no cartoon monkey punching bag, no russian conspiracy, nothing out of the ordinary here. Just a guy doing the job he was hired to do. That's not being naive, that's what's right in front of us when we let the clintonista fantasy version of events fall apart.

Thanks for posting the orders. I see he said specifically the US hasn't benefited from the WTO. Any liberal should be happy with that admission.

I'm not saying "support trump" but that these are issues one at a time, and sometimes he's right.
And sometimes I disagree but his voters agree. And that's politics.

Trump is not stupid; he is a liar and a crook. Did you forget Trump paying $25,000,000 for Trump U? That was a flat out admission he was guilty even if he says it is not an admission of anything other than he is a very busy man. Did you forget Trump’s promise to release all pages of his income tax returns? He released two pages from one year. You would conclude he is a liar if you could forget you’re his partisan.
www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/#nt=oft02a-2la1
www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinto
n-donald-trump-truth-o-met/

The polls I saw showed Hillary losing to any generic Republican (other than Trump) by 14 points. She only had a chance because Trump is a liar and a crook.
www.washingtonexaminer.com/poll-shows-clinton-losing-to-generic-republ
ican-by-14-points/article/2570214
www.vox.com/2016/5/24/11745294/donald-trump-hillary-clinton

Neither Trump nor Hillary got 50% of the vote in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Florida. But Trump got 100% of the electoral votes, 54 votes, giving him the win. Funny how Trump did not need a majority to win, isn’t it? Is something weird going on in the law of those states? Yes, somebody gets 100% of the electoral vote even if nobody gets anywhere near a majority. If there were three major Presidential candidates, Trump could win with as little as 33.34% of the popular vote, that is how weird the law is. With four major candidates, Trump could win 100% of the electoral votes with as little as 25.01% of the popular vote. That is how first past the post voting works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting#Tactical_voti
ng

If 12,000 bitter Bernie Saunders voters in Michigan, out of the millions who voted for Democrats in Michigan, had voted in the general election for Hillary rather than tell her to fuck off, Trump would have lost Michigan. The same way Trump would have lost Pennsylvania, Florida and the Presidential race. Those Bernie voters really showed Hillary they preferred anybody but Hillary if they coul

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, April 3, 2017 2:04 AM (P)

Change the Electoral College than Second. It wasn't rigged. It's been that way for a long time now.

How many millions of California Republicans are pissed off their vote doesn't count every 4 years? New York, Illionois, etc., etc.

I do believe that there should be some debate about this.

I don't believe in a straight up Popular Vote, but a lot has changed since those laws were written and I don't feel that they're serving us properly any longer.

DREAMTROVE

Monday, April 3, 2017 3:04 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

You would conclude he is a liar if you could forget you’re his partisan.

Still a democrat here. Voted for Bernie, not for Trump.

And that's not a virtue whatever, it's actually true, and you should understand that is reality: The Clinton corner has managed to alienate people who are really not all that far from them. Twice as many Bernie voters voted for Trump as for Hillary, not because he's more similar, but because he was willing to pick up Sanders' platform points and she wasn't.

In the general election, I voted for Stein.

Quote:
The polls I saw showed Hillary losing to any generic Republican (other than Trump) by 14 points. She only had a chance because Trump is a liar and a crook.

All true, but she was more of a liar and a crook

Quote:
Neither Trump nor Hillary got 50% of the vote in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Florida. But Trump got 100% of the electoral votes, 54 votes, giving him the win. Funny how Trump did not need a majority to win, isn’t it?

No, it's not, it's common. Remember Bill Clinton? He got 39% of the popular, and a minority in several states.

In order to gain any credibility on these issues, you have to be willing to condemn democrats who do the same thing.

So, turnout was lousy. If we are going to better turnout, we need better candidates.

Hillary's real October surprise was "I created ISIS" and a million people died.
That'd cause Jesus of Nazareth to lose an election. It'll certainly do it for a sketchy career criminal who probably killed her boss in the '90s.

Quote:
If there were three major Presidential candidates, Trump could win with as little as 33.34% of the popular vote, that is how weird the law is.

which is how Bill Clinton was elected. Also Woodrow Wilson. Actually, Obama was only the third democrat in history to win a majority of the vote.

Quote:
If 12,000 bitter Bernie Saunders voters in Michigan, out of the millions who voted for Democrats in Michigan, had voted in the general election for Hillary rather than tell her to fuck off, Trump would have lost Michigan.

Which is what you're missing. This isn't sour grapes. We're not bitter. We actually prefer Trump (to Hillary, that is) Get a better candidate. At the very least we don't care.

Quote:
Those Bernie voters really showed Hillary they preferred anybody but Hillary if they couldn’t have Bernie. They were thinking Hillary was going to win anyway. Apparently, Bernie voters are not any better at understanding polls or election law details than Trump voters are.

Okay, fair enough, I thought she was going to win anyway, and she did, in New York, for all might vote counted. That, said, who did call this one correctly? But that's not the point. The point is I really actually did not want Hillary. I thought it was a ridiculous match up, but that's what happens in a democracy. Sometimes you lose. The GOP voters could have been sane and chosen someone like Marco Rubio, or Cruz, or Kaisch. But they didn't. And the Democrats could have voted for a sane candidate, like Sanders, or O'Malley, or Chafee. But they didn't.

So that brought us to here. I don't feel bad about not voting for Hillary. I feel fine about it. She was fixing to be worse than Obama. She has a long history of being worse than Obama.

Anyway, it's done now, and we have to deal with what we have.
So far, I haven't been horrified by Trump. I have issues with him, yes.
But what I'm horrified by is the behavior of the democrats.
It's some sort of obsessive powermongering.
They've clearly forgotten all about the values that they used to hold.
They've forgotten about world peace and American jobs and equality.
They only seem to care about power at any cost.
Including overturning a democratic election and installing a CIA coup.

Oh, and Russia. WTF? Trump sounded dumb talking about Mexico as the enemy, a

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, April 3, 2017 3:35 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
That, said, who did call this one correctly? But that's not the point.

I did.

Actually, I've got a post in the prediction thread years ago that a white republican male would win the next election. No way in hell did I think that it would be The Donald back then though.

I recently found out in a podcast that before the election you stood to win $375 for every $100 that you bet in Vegas on a Trump victory, and only $20 for every $100 you bet for a Clinton victory.

I'm not a gambler, so I wouldn't have done it if I knew about it back then, but I'd love to hear the stories of people who made a bundle off of that one.

THGRRI

Monday, April 3, 2017 8:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
T: DT's a Liar! He alters news stories! Here's proof! An unaltered news story! I think none of you will actually read it, so I can lie about it!
DT: You got nuttin.

Are you high or something? It's like you're doing battle with yourself.

---------------------

SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

1KIKI

Monday, April 3, 2017 8:29 AM (P)

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

SOCKPUPPET

Monday, April 3, 2017 9:57 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
T: DT's a Liar! He alters news stories! Here's proof! An unaltered news story! I think none of you will actually read it, so I can lie about it!
DT: You got nuttin.

Are you high or something? It's like you're doing battle with yourself.

---------------------

SIG says I'm a deep state troll. oh my.

THGRRI,

DT's a knucklehead, he does this sort of thing all the time.

SIGNYM

Monday, April 3, 2017 1:29 PM (P)

There are two people on the board who cream their jeans over WWIII: THUGR and DULLBADWUSS.

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

SECOND

Monday, April 3, 2017 6:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Change the Electoral College than Second. It wasn't rigged. It's been that way for a long time now.

How many millions of California Republicans are pissed off their vote doesn't count every 4 years? New York, Illionois, etc., etc.

I do believe that there should be some debate about this.

I don't believe in a straight up Popular Vote, but a lot has changed since those laws were written and I don't feel that they're serving us properly any longer.

Did you know there was a way for Hillary to sabotage Trump, but she must get back to work convincing 232 Democratic Electors to vote for a Republican?

The beauty of the plan is that it will piss off the Republicans so badly they will pass a Constitutional Amendment abolishing the Electoral College.

It’s a win-win-lose: the Democratic party will never again be screwed by the Electoral College, the GOP controls the Presidency, and Trump loses, after all.

Democrats can stop Trump via the electoral college. But not how you think.
By Michael F. Cannon

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-can-use-the-electoral-colleg
e-to-stop-trump-but-not-how-you-think/2016/12/05/c69bb24e-ba86-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html

Hillary Clinton’s decision to join Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s recount efforts in key states may have been welcome news to Democrats, but it is unlikely to change the outcome of the presidential election. Nor will complaining about the unfairness of the electoral college or begging Republican electors to vote for Clinton. Democrats’ best chance to prevent Donald Trump from assuming the presidency is instead to do the unthinkable: Throw their support behind another Republican, such as Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor and 2012 GOP presidential nominee.

To become president, a candidate must get a bare majority of 270 votes when the electoral college meets Dec. 19.

As Alexander Hamilton explained, the electoral college provides a backstop in the event voters select a dangerously unfit candidate. “The process of election,” Hamilton wrote, “affords a moral certainty that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications.” Electors would use their judgment to prevent the “tumult and disorder” that would result from “this mischief” of presidential candidates exploiting “talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity.” One might call it the cooler-heads college.

Election Day produced 306 electors pledged to Trump and 232 pledged to Clinton. A petition at Change.org asks Republican electors to vote for Clinton. A group calling itself “Hamilton Electors” seeks to persuade at least 37 GOP electors to vote for a Republican other than Trump, leaving him with only 269 votes. If no candidate secures 270 votes, the House of Representatives selects the next president from the top three vote-getters in the electoral college.

Either strategy is a fool’s errand. Whatever reservations Republican electors may have about Trump, empty entreaties from Democrats are unlikely to sway them. Even if 37 Republican electors voted for another Republican, the GOP-controlled House would likely select Trump anyway.

The only way Democrats stand any chance of persuading Republican electors to abandon Trump is with a dramatic gesture of true bipartisanship. If all 232 Democratic electors pledge to reach across the aisle and vote for a Republican alternative to Trump, it would take just 38 GOP electors to make that person the next president.

If Clinton announced she is releasing “her” electors and asked them to vote for a credible Republican alternative, she could plausibly deliver all 232 Democratic electors. She might even secure similar pledges from House Democrats in the event the election went to the House.

Finding 38 Republican electors might then be easier than Democrats think. In 2012, Romney won a larger share of the popular vote (47.2 pe

SECOND

Monday, April 3, 2017 6:53 PM (P)

Donald Trump’s strange relationship with Jared Kushner
By Paul Woodward, April 3, 2017
http://warincontext.org/2017/04/03/donald-trumps-strange-relationship-
with-jared-kushner/

Hardly a day goes by without Jared Kushner being anointed with a new role in the Trump administration. Is Kushner, Trump’s Kissinger? A man of such genius that he inspires in this president so much confidence that whenever Trump asks himself, “who’s the most gifted individual in whose hands I can place this awesome challenge?” the answer is always Kushner?

A couple of tweets showing how Trump is using his son-in-law:

DavidKenner @DavidKenner

Jared Kushner's remit now includes: Relations with Iraq, China, Mexico, and Canada; negotiating Middle East peace, reforming veterans' care, combating opioid abuse; and overhauling the federal bureaucracy.
5:01 AM-3 Apr 2017

Peter Alexander @PeterAlexander

BREAKING: Jared Kushner is in Iraq right now, traveling with Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Dunford, senior White House official tells me.
8:39 PM-2 Apr 2017

My hunch — nothing more than that — is that the reason Kushner keeps on getting new roles has nothing to do with his abilities and everything to do with Trump’s relationship with his own daughter Ivanka.

In spite of Trump’s repeated indications of being sexually attracted to Ivanka, the man who has lived his whole life with the expectation that he can grab whatever he wants was, in this instance, forced to rein in his own desires. (I am willing to assume he has successfully done that primarily because I see no indications that Ivanka feels the need to maintain a safe distance from her father.)

At the same time, given Trump’s grandiosity, it’s hard to believe that he truly believes that Kushner or any other man would really be good enough for his daughter.

So perhaps the reason Trump keeps on giving Kushner new roles is because he wants Kushner to fail.

Does Kushner look like a man brimming with such immeasurable confidence that he can conquer anything?

Not really.

More like a timid young man who’s afraid of saying “no” to his tyrannical father-in-law.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Monday, April 3, 2017 8:02 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SOCKPUPPET:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
T: DT's a Liar! He alters news stories! Here's proof! An unaltered news story! I think none of you will actually read it, so I can lie about it!
DT: You got nuttin.

Are you high or something? It's like you're doing battle with yourself.

---------------------

SIG says I'm a deep state troll. oh my.

THGRRI,

DT's a knucklehead, he does this sort of thing all the time.

Lets not let it get lost in translation. Sockpuppet, you are DT, Dreamtrove.

---------------------

SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

SECOND

Monday, April 3, 2017 8:06 PM (P)

Trump Doesn’t Have the Balls

The president declines to throw out baseball’s ceremonial first pitch on Monday and face a barrage of boos.

http://prospect.org/article/trump-doesn%E2%80%99t-have-balls

Trump declined an invitation to throw out the ceremonial first ball at the Washington Nationals’ opening day game Monday.

Politico reported that Trump was “in talks” with the team to toss the first ball, but hours later the White House claimed that Trump had a “scheduling conflict,” without providing any information about why he’s skipping this ritual.

A more likely explanation is that Trump feared that he’d be greeted with a deafening chorus of boos as soon as he stepped into Washington D.C. Nationals Park. The ballpark is 3.4 miles by road from the White House. Or Trump could take a helicopter. https://goo.gl/maps/EzMCyXKGPws

Last November, 91 percent of Washington, D.C., voters supported Hillary Clinton over Trump. Voters in the suburban counties outside Washington, D.C., also gave Clinton landslide margins—76 percent in Montgomery County and 89 percent in Prince George’s County in Maryland, and 76 percent in Arlington County and 63 percent in Fairfax County in Virginia.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SOCKPUPPET

Monday, April 3, 2017 9:53 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
THGRRI,

DT's a knucklehead, he does this sort of thing all the time.

Lets not let it get lost in translation. Sockpuppet, you are DT, Dreamtrove.

DT is a is just sockpuppet, like you.
Because you are. And there's no way to undo that.

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, April 3, 2017 10:56 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump Doesn’t Have the Balls

Does anybody even watch baseball anymore? They had to cash in their Cubs chip last year finally just to generate some interest.

What Trump should do is just show up to a Nationals game unannounced. Then there would be nobody in the stadium to boo him.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 12:24 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump Doesn’t Have the Balls

Does anybody even watch baseball anymore? They had to cash in their Cubs chip last year finally just to generate some interest.

What Trump should do is just show up to a Nationals game unannounced. Then there would be nobody in the stadium to boo him.

Baseball is for folks living in the past. www.espn.com/mlb/television http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/subscriptions/

I saw an article Donald Trump is Already Living in the Past
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/donald-trump-already-living-pas
t

Has anyone noticed that Trump's tweets lately seem to be largely random blasts from the past? It's like he can't really think of anything to say anymore, so he's just reliving his greatest triumphs of the campaign.

In the past few days we've been subjected to: Hillary gave away our uranium to the Russians; Ford is investing in American factories; the New York Times apologized after the election; Trump is treated unfairly by the media; the New York Times is failing; the House Freedom Caucus is bad; China is stealing our jobs; the whole Russia thing is a witch hunt; the Russia thing is fake; the Russia thing is a scam; Obamacare is a disaster; the real story is all the illegal leaks; Fox News reports that Trump was spied on during the transition; John Podesta's brother is a crook; and Hillary got the answers to debate questions. Yes, received the "answers" to debate questions, as if they're multiple choice tests that have right and wrong responses.

Trump has only been in office a few months and he's already living in the past. This is a bad sign, folks, for his mental health.

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 12:52 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
In the past few days we've been subjected to: Hillary gave away our uranium to the Russians; Ford is investing in American factories; the New York Times apologized after the election; Trump is treated unfairly by the media; the New York Times is failing; the House Freedom Caucus is bad; China is stealing our jobs; the whole Russia thing is a witch hunt; the Russia thing is fake; the Russia thing is a scam; Obamacare is a disaster; the real story is all the illegal leaks; Fox News reports that Trump was spied on during the transition; John Podesta's brother is a crook; and Hillary got the answers to debate questions. Yes, received the "answers" to debate questions, as if they're multiple choice tests that have right and wrong responses.

Trump has only been in office a few months and he's already living in the past. This is a bad sign, folks, for his mental health.

Half of those things the MSM talks about every day.

90% of the rest of it are things that are still relevant even if they don't get coverage.

The only questionable tweet would be the one about Hillary getting the debate questions, but given the unprecedented treatment he has received from the MSM since his election, he's probably just reminding people that the other candidate and the MSM were in collusion.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 2:14 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump Doesn’t Have the Balls

Does anybody even watch baseball anymore? They had to cash in their Cubs chip last year finally just to generate some interest.

What Trump should do is just show up to a Nationals game unannounced. Then there would be nobody in the stadium to boo him.

That's not a bad idea.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

Half of those things the MSM talks about every day.

90% of the rest of it are things that are still relevant even if they don't get coverage.

The only questionable tweet would be the one about Hillary getting the debate questions, but given the unprecedented treatment he has received from the MSM since his election, he's probably just reminding people that the other candidate and the MSM were in collusion.

The MSM did the opposite of what you think they did.

By March 2016, Trump received $2 Billion Worth of Free Media. Hillary received $746 million.
www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/upshot/measuring-donald-trumps-mammoth-adva
ntage-in-free-media.html

By election day, Trump had received $5 Billion In Free Advertising.
www.ibtimes.com/did-media-help-donald-trump-win-5-billion-free-adverti
sing-given-president-elect-2444115

Was it $5 Billion in attacks upon Trump? NO! It helped Trump. There seem to be an awful lot of people who heard only one thing from Trump during the campaign: He was going to build a wall and keep out all the Mexicans.

After the election, AFTER BECAUSE IT WAS IMPORTANT and the MSM had to stop kicking Hillary in the teeth since she was officially a nobody, people started hearing the rest of Trump’s story, not all of which was to his advantage.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/lot-trump-voters-only-heard-one
-thing-build-wall

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:25 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The MSM did the opposite of what you think they did.

Who said I think that? I know what they did, and what they are continuing to do by doubling down on it.

The MSM did the opposite of what they thought they were doing, and are still doing that today.

They better turn up something pretty damning and soon. They're 110% vested in this now, and it's going to destroy them if they find nothing.

That's not good for any of us.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:59 AM (P)

So true 6,

Second, the media can value their airtime for Trump at whatever they want, but it was their decision to cover him, he did nothing to win them over.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 6:12 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The MSM did the opposite of what you think they did.

Who said I think that? I know what they did, and what they are continuing to do by doubling down on it.

The MSM did the opposite of what they thought they were doing, and are still doing that today.

They better turn up something pretty damning and soon. They're 110% vested in this now, and it's going to destroy them if they find nothing.

That's not good for any of us.

During the election, the MSM covered about equally the scandals of Trump and Hillary. Once Hillary was officially a nobody, a zero, all the coverage moved to Trump. Hillary gets no airtime, while Trump, being President, gets all of Hillary's, everything he got as a candidate, and what President Obama would have got on typical day with no drama.

Do you remember Hillary's scandal? Yes, you do. Do you remember Trump's scandals? There were too many. Nothing in particular comes to mind unless you concentrate on one or two and drill into the details.

But now that there is no more Hillary, it is all Trump, all the time. Just remove "Clinton emails" from the following list and that is where we are today, except with more new Trump scandals along with old, old scandals. For Trump, new scandals are like water sliding off the back of a duck. Trump never gets wet :

Clinton emails. Trump admitting sexual assault. Clinton emails. Trump charity fraud. Clinton emails. Trump calls for nuclear proliferation. Clinton emails. Trump calls for national stop and frisk. Clinton emails. Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba. Clinton emails. Trump sued over Trump U fraud. Clinton emails. Trump bribes Florida DA. Clinton emails. Trump doesn't pay taxes for 20 years. Clinton emails. Trump employs campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia. Clinton emails. Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US. Clinton emails. Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate. Clinton emails. Trump in court for rape of a minor. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of situation in Syria. Clinton emails. Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination. Clinton emails. Trump files for bankruptcy 6 times. Clinton emails. Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics. Clinton emails. Trump slams people for being POWs. Clinton emails. Trump calls Mexicans rapists. Clinton emails. Trump questions judge's integrity because of parent's heritage. Clinton emails. Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal. Clinton emails. Trump commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane. Clinton emails. Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse. Clinton emails. Trump attacks former Ms America for being overweight. Clinton emails. Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am. Clinton emails. Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo. Clinton emails. Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used. Clinton emails. Trump asks why can’t we use our nukes if we have them. Clinton emails. Trump calls for offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle finger. Clinton emails. Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected terrorists. Clinton emails. Trump says women should be punished for having abortions. Clinton emails. Trump makes fun of disabled people. Clinton emails. Trump calls for end of freedom of the press. Clinton emails. Trump calls global warming a Chinese hoax. Clinton emails. Trump praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership. Clinton emails. Trump openly admits to not paying his

SECOND

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 6:21 PM (P)

I see why Trump can get away with what he is doing: Loyalty to Trump.
www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/opinion/sunday/in-trump-country-shock-at-tr
ump-budget-cuts-but-still-loyalty.html

Moreno was sitting at a table with his boss, Rocky Payton, the factory’s general manager, and Amy Saum, the human resources manager. All said they had voted for Trump, and all were bewildered that he wanted to cut funds that channel people into good manufacturing jobs.

“There’s a lot of wasteful spending, so cut other places,” Moreno said.

Payton suggested that if the government wants to cut budgets, it should target “Obama phones” provided to low-income Americans. (In fact, the program predates President Barack Obama and is financed by telecom companies rather than by taxpayers.)

Yet Democrats gleeful at the prospect of winning penitent voters back should take a deep breath. These voters may be irritated, but I was struck by how loyal they remain to Trump.

I talked to many Trump voters about the impact if Trump’s budget cuts go through, and none regretted their votes in November. They all said that they might vote for Trump for re-election.

“I don’t think I re-evaluate Trump,” Moreno said, adding that he just wants the president to re-evaluate his budget proposal.

Judy Banks, a 70-year-old struggling to get by, said she voted for Trump because “he was talking about getting rid of those illegals.” But Banks now finds herself shocked that he also has his sights on funds for the Labor Department’s Senior Community Service Employment Program, which is her lifeline. It pays senior citizens a minimum wage to hold public service jobs.

“This program makes sense,” said Banks, who was placed by the program into a job as a receptionist for a senior nutrition program. Banks said she depends on the job to make ends meet, and for an excuse to get out of the house.

“If I lose this job,” she said, “I’ll sit home and die.”

Yet she said she might still vote for Trump in 2020. And that’s a refrain I heard over and over. One recent survey found that only 3 percent of Trump voters would vote differently if the election were today.

One More Example of Extreme Loyalty to Trump: Elizabeth Hays, 27, said her life changed during her freshman year in high school, when four upperclassmen raped her. Domestic Violence Intervention Services rescued her, she said, by helping her understand that the rape wasn’t her fault.

She’s profoundly grateful to the organization — yet she stands by Trump even as she is dismayed that he wants to slash support for a group that helped her when she needed it most. “We have to look at what we spend money on,” she said, adding, “I will stand behind my president.”

SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 6:49 PM (P)

Right now, since the deep state has chosen to pick a fight with Trump, I'd choose Trump over the deep state. When the deep state/ globalist agenda is destroyed, I'll change my priorities.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

THGRRI

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 6:50 PM (P)

A little thought went into this post SECOND, nicely done.

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The MSM did the opposite of what you think they did.

Who said I think that? I know what they did, and what they are continuing to do by doubling down on it.

The MSM did the opposite of what they thought they were doing, and are still doing that today.

They better turn up something pretty damning and soon. They're 110% vested in this now, and it's going to destroy them if they find nothing.

That's not good for any of us.
During the election, the MSM covered about equally the scandals of Trump and Hillary. Once Hillary was officially a nobody, a zero, all the coverage moved to Trump. Hillary gets no airtime, while Trump, being President, gets all of Hillary's, everything he got as a candidate, and what President Obama would have got on typical day with no drama.

Do you remember Hillary's scandal? Yes, you do. Do you remember Trump's scandals? There were too many. Nothing in particular comes to mind unless you concentrate on one or two and drill into the details.

But now that there is no more Hillary, it is all Trump, all the time. Just remove "Clinton emails" from the following list and that is where we are today, except with more new Trump scandals along with old, old scandals. For Trump, new scandals are like water sliding off the back of a duck. Trump never gets wet :

Clinton emails. Trump admitting sexual assault. Clinton emails. Trump charity fraud. Clinton emails. Trump calls for nuclear proliferation. Clinton emails. Trump calls for national stop and frisk. Clinton emails. Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba. Clinton emails. Trump sued over Trump U fraud. Clinton emails. Trump bribes Florida DA. Clinton emails. Trump doesn't pay taxes for 20 years. Clinton emails. Trump employs campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia. Clinton emails. Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US. Clinton emails. Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate. Clinton emails. Trump in court for rape of a minor. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of situation in Syria. Clinton emails. Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination. Clinton emails. Trump files for bankruptcy 6 times. Clinton emails. Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics. Clinton emails. Trump slams people for being POWs. Clinton emails. Trump calls Mexicans rapists. Clinton emails. Trump questions judge's integrity because of parent's heritage. Clinton emails. Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal. Clinton emails. Trump commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane. Clinton emails. Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse. Clinton emails. Trump attacks former Ms America for being overweight. Clinton emails. Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am. Clinton emails. Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo. Clinton emails. Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used. Clinton emails. Trump asks why can’t we use our nukes if we have them. Clinton emails. Trump calls for offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle finger. Clinton emails. Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected terrorists. Clinton emails. Trump says women should be punished for having abortions. Clinton emails. Trump makes fun of disabled people. Clinton emails. Trump calls for end of freedom of the press. Clinton emails. Trump calls global warming a Chinese hoax. Clinton emails.[b

THGRRI

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 6:56 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Right now, since the deep state has chosen to pick a fight with Trump, I'd choose Trump over the deep state. When the deep state/ globalist agenda is destroyed, I'll change my priorities.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

First of all SIG. Deep state is a term that represents those who are anti-democratic. That's you and yours. Twisting it into something else that serves those who wish to further that cause, won't fly when dealing with intelligent people. Second, G, KPO, SSG and myself to name a few. You who spread this crap on these threads, are the guilty pointing fingers at the innocent.

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

Deep state

The deep state is alleged to be a group of influential anti-democratic coalitions within the Turkish political system, composed of high-level elements within the intelligence services, Turkish military, security, judiciary, and mafia. The notion of deep state is similar to that of a "state within the state". For those who believe in its existence, the political agenda of the deep state involves an allegiance to nationalism, corporatism, and state interests. Violence and other means of pressure have historically been employed in a largely covert manner to manipulate political and economic elites and ensure specific interests are met within the seemingly democratic framework of the political landscape. Former president Süleyman Demirel says that the outlook and behavior of the elites who constitute the deep state, and work to uphold national interests, are shaped by an entrenched belief, dating to the fall of the Ottoman Empire, that the country is always "on the brink". The ideology of the deep state is seen by leftists as being anti-worker or ultra-nationalist; by Islamists as being anti-Islamic and secularist; by ethnic Kurds as being anti-Kurdish, and by liberal democrats as anti-democratic and anti-liberal. As pointed out by former prime minister Bulent Ecevit, the diversity of opinion reflects a disagreement over what constitutes the deep state. One explanation is that the "deep state" is not an alliance, but the sum of several groups that antagonistically work behind the scenes, each in pursuit of its own agenda. Rumors of the deep state have been widespread in Turkey since Ecevit's term as prime minister in the 1970s, after his revelation of the existence of a Turkish branch of Operation Gladio, the "Counter-Guerrilla".

SECOND

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 7:02 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Just remove "Clinton emails" from the following list and that is where we are today, except with more new Trump scandals along with old, old scandals. For Trump, new scandals are like water sliding off the back of a duck.

Option #2:

Just switch out "Clinton is boring" for "Clinton emails" from the list and that is how Trump won the election. For Trump, scandals were like life giving oxygen.

The US public of a voting age, having gorged on an average of 5 hours a day of TV, cannot handle someone who does not entertain them above all else.

Interesting theory, but there is an easier explanation: “I don’t think I will re-evaluate Trump.”
www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/opinion/sunday/in-trump-country-shock-at-tr
ump-budget-cuts-but-still-loyalty.html

The reporter went to Oklahoma and found that Trump voters are not changing their minds about Trump, despite what Trump did to them in his budget. The Oklahomans actually had their minds made up long ago, before Trump got in the race. They would vote for the Republican, whoever it was. There was nothing to evaluate about Trump before the election. There will be nothing in the next 4 years about Trump to evaluate. They are already committed to vote Republican. The perfect example is President Hoover, who got 40% of the vote despite 4 years of complete inability to confront any problem. There has never been a clearer choice and yet 40% could not change their minds in 1932. While Hoover was the wrong man for the time, it won't be nearly as clear in 2020 that Trump is the wrong man. The Republican candidate, even if it is not Trump, will do much better than Hoover, despite any scandals Trump faces in the next 4 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_193
2

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:40 PM (P)

I guess emails that say essentially "I killed a million sand n*ggers, Yeehah!" have some impact overall. Add a little "get the grimy jew bastards" and "everyone has to support the nazis or we kill them" "fuck democracy" "I'm going to steal this election" and "I stole a couple billion dollars from haiti" and yeah, I guess they matter.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:08 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The MSM did the opposite of what you think they did.

Who said I think that? I know what they did, and what they are continuing to do by doubling down on it.

The MSM did the opposite of what they thought they were doing, and are still doing that today.

They better turn up something pretty damning and soon. They're 110% vested in this now, and it's going to destroy them if they find nothing.

That's not good for any of us.
During the election, the MSM covered about equally the scandals of Trump and Hillary. Once Hillary was officially a nobody, a zero, all the coverage moved to Trump. Hillary gets no airtime, while Trump, being President, gets all of Hillary's, everything he got as a candidate, and what President Obama would have got on typical day with no drama.

Do you remember Hillary's scandal? Yes, you do. Do you remember Trump's scandals? There were too many. Nothing in particular comes to mind unless you concentrate on one or two and drill into the details.

Hillary had more than one scandal. The MSM did not give equal airtime to the "scandals", especially given the different nature of them.

There was far more time spent on Trump being a pussy grabber than there were on Clinton's borderline treasonous behavior, and the only "coverage" of it was the MSM constantly saying "move along folks... nothing to see here". Hillary got a ton of coverage, no doubt, but almost none of it was negative. They were all besties with Clinton.

If the MSM had been going after her like they are going after Trump now she wouldn't have had a chance in hell of winning and likely would have been locked up before the election even took place.

But that is in the past now. You're right. She's a nobody now. Without any major celebrity death or some Waco-style confrontation on our soil the entire MSM seems to spend all it's time now chasing Red shadows.

I wonder where Hillary is hiding out now? They closed down the Clinton Foundation almost immediately after she lost. I take it from her disappearance that she did not pay those angry Middle Eastern warlords back their millions of dollars.

JO753

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:31 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: They closed down the Clinton Foundation almost immediately after she lost.

You mean this Clinton Foundation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation#2015_State_Department
_subpoena ?

Altho it seemz to hav sum contributorz with less than entirely filanthropic motivationz, the State Department investigation never turned up anything worthy uv prosecution. And the Clinton Foundation gets 4 out uv 4 starz from charity watchdogz.

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http://www.7532020.com

THGRRI

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 1:29 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The MSM did the opposite of what you think they did.

Who said I think that? I know what they did, and what they are continuing to do by doubling down on it.

The MSM did the opposite of what they thought they were doing, and are still doing that today.

They better turn up something pretty damning and soon. They're 110% vested in this now, and it's going to destroy them if they find nothing.

That's not good for any of us.
During the election, the MSM covered about equally the scandals of Trump and Hillary. Once Hillary was officially a nobody, a zero, all the coverage moved to Trump. Hillary gets no airtime, while Trump, being President, gets all of Hillary's, everything he got as a candidate, and what President Obama would have got on typical day with no drama.

Do you remember Hillary's scandal? Yes, you do. Do you remember Trump's scandals? There were too many. Nothing in particular comes to mind unless you concentrate on one or two and drill into the details.

Hillary had more than one scandal. The MSM did not give equal airtime to the "scandals", especially given the different nature of them.

There was far more time spent on Trump being a pussy grabber than there were on Clinton's borderline treasonous behavior, and the only "coverage" of it was the MSM constantly saying "move along folks... nothing to see here". Hillary got a ton of coverage, no doubt, but almost none of it was negative. They were all besties with Clinton.

If the MSM had been going after her like they are going after Trump now she wouldn't have had a chance in hell of winning and likely would have been locked up before the election even took place.

But that is in the past now. You're right. She's a nobody now. Without any major celebrity death or some Waco-style confrontation on our soil the entire MSM seems to spend all it's time now chasing Red shadows.

I wonder where Hillary is hiding out now? They closed down the Clinton Foundation almost immediately after she lost. I take it from her disappearance that she did not pay those angry Middle Eastern warlords back their millions of dollars.

Enlighten us as to what they are Jack.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 2:02 AM (P)

I see only two possibilities here.

1) Clintonistas are playing dumb, in which case, why should anyone pay attention to them?

2) Clintonistas really are dumb, in which case, why should anyone pay attention to them?

It's a lose-lose, guys.

And where do we start, skipping her fiasco with getting kicked off the watergate team, do we start with her "little confederacy" and the drug running, killing two teenagers in Arkansas, her preferential treatment of her own company Walmart, contacts to shell companies she set up for Bill, or do we start in DC, with killing Vince Foster (if you're not a moron it's obvious, but if you want to pretend that didn't happen jump right to: and illegally destroying all his files to cover up for white water) how about Whitewater itself? WACO? Attack on the World Trade Center, 1993, Oklahoma City, Rwanda? It's only 1994 guys. She hired Monica Lewisnky because as she told a colleague: it would be embarrassing if Bill was caught "whoring around town" like he did in Arkansas, 100 prostitutes and 36 rape cases. That's unusual for a governor. How about her healthcare fiasco. Her secret healthcare commission was filled with lobbyists instead of lawmakers, and they tried to subvert the vote. And it's still only 1994. This is going to take me all day, so I'm going to let it go, knowing that you all know it gets much much worse as time goes on, even long before it gets to her running chemical weapons to ISIS.

As for why not go after her? The same logic as applies to Robespierre erecting a guillotine in Concorde Square was a bad idea: His own head rolled on it.

Anyone care to continue this?

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 3:32 AM (P)

No, Obama is. Really, I mean it. Pepsi changed their logo in 2008 to make it look more like the Obama symbol, abandoning its Korean flag of half a century.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 3:47 AM (P)

I don't watch Fox News. It's fake news just like CNN and MSNBC.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 3:56 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I don't watch Fox News. It's fake news just like CNN and MSNBC.

Neither do I, I don't have a TV, but I did notice the hotties.
They're not bad for an MSM news outfit, the anchors are smart, both witty and educated, (and they're all fairly good looking) The narrative is often framed, but the reporting is fairly honest, if you skip the opinion section of their news.

I like, btw, that they do that. Most TV stations mix their opinion so thick into their content that the two become inseparable. Maddow, for instance, could be improved ten fold if she just said "here is objectively what happened, and now here is what I think about it" and also to go the full FOX, prop up some conservative counterpart to Dennis Kucinich (FOX's pet liberal) someone like Ron Paul (he'd really make a good counterpoint, they've worked together on a number of issues, and serious conservatives might call him a RINO, Maddow did try to politically assassinate his son, so maybe not) anyway to come on the Maddow show, and let pet conservative and liberal commentators go at it.

SECOND

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:42 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
The narrative is often framed, but the reporting is fairly honest, if you skip the opinion section of their news.

I like, btw, that they do that. Most TV stations mix their opinion so thick into their content that the two become inseparable. Maddow, for instance, could be improved ten fold if she just said "here is objectively what happened, and now here is what I think about it"

To simplify things into their broadest terms, in recent elections the Republican always gets around 60 million votes; the question is whether the Democrat can bring out more voters or not. If they can, as Obama did twice, they win. If they can’t, as Clinton and John Kerry failed to, they lose.

And the Trump campaign itself had an explicit strategy to demoralize Democrats, developed by Trump campaign CEO Stephen Bannon. As Bloomberg Businessweek reported:

Instead of expanding the electorate, Bannon and his team are trying to shrink it. ‘We have three major voter suppression operations under way,’ says a senior official. They’re aimed at three groups Clinton needs to win overwhelmingly: idealistic white liberals, young women, and African Americans.

How much credit they can take is open to debate, but there’s no doubt that they got the result they were after.

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/10/why-did-trump-win
-in-part-because-voter-turnout-plunged/?utm_term=.fc53bf7b4907

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:21 PM (P)

Second,

The chart is convincing. I doubt Trump is responsible, because democrats don't even listen to moderate democrats, let alone republicans. Look at this forum. If I couldn't influence your vote, I sincerely doubt JSF and Auraptor are going to swing it.

Some democrats of course did vote for Trump. Sig and 1kiki for starters. But that's the only way I think Trump influenced democrat turnout. Largely what you're seeing is anti-Hillary sentiment. And that's because she's an evil hateful person.

I'm coming to think she's an exec in an evil hateful international stealth corporation.

Here's a thought: Why does WaPo post anti-Trump stories? Doesn't this seem like an extreme manipulation? Skipping the detail that Bezos was a republican, there's a much more disturbing angle. If he has trouble with the Trump administration all he has to do is walk next door and knock and say "hey, could you deal Amazon.com a break on this Mexico thing" or whatever. Why does he care what we think?

There's some deep level game going on here, and I suspect everyone is being had.

Edit: A second glance at the chart gives me a second thought, Second:

Those > 60 million votes are only for Obama. Maybe these are not democrats. They could be a probama vote. They're probably independents. They might be black people, or latinos, who are registered independents, who were swept up by the si se puedo hope and change message, and 1/2 of them were disaffected by midterm.

SECOND

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:05 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Second,

The chart is convincing. I doubt Trump is responsible, because democrats don't even listen to moderate democrats, let alone republicans. Look at this forum. If I couldn't influence your vote, I sincerely doubt JSF and Auraptor are going to swing it.

Some democrats of course did vote for Trump. Sig and 1kiki for starters. But that's the only way I think Trump influenced democrat turnout. Largely what you're seeing is anti-Hillary sentiment. And that's because she's an evil hateful person.

I'm coming to think she's an exec in an evil hateful international stealth corporation.

Here's a thought: Why does WaPo post anti-Trump stories? Doesn't this seem like an extreme manipulation? Skipping the detail that Bezos was a republican, there's a much more disturbing angle. If he has trouble with the Trump administration all he has to do is walk next door and knock and say "hey, could you deal Amazon.com a break on this Mexico thing" or whatever. Why does he care what we think?

There's some deep level game going on here, and I suspect everyone is being had.

Edit: A second glance at the chart gives me a second thought, Second:

Those > 60 million votes are only for Obama. Maybe these are not democrats. They could be a probama vote. They're probably independents. They might be black people, or latinos, who are registered independents, who were swept up by the si se puedo hope and change message, and 1/2 of them were disaffected by midterm.

I see it as much simpler. There are 60 million people that will reliably vote for the Republican, whoever he is, for the rest of their lives. It is what they have done; it's what they will do. These people will vote Republican even if they disapprove of the Republican's policies and personally dislike his character.

The people who vote for the Democratic candidate are almost as robotically opinionated as Republicans, but the Democratic voters are more prone than Republicans to being apathetic about actually voting. You know, Democrats aren't so good at doing something more than running their mouths. That is why the number of Democratic voters wildly fluctuates while the number of Republican voters (not just people who "identify" as Republican) is steady as a rock. I have never known any Republican voter in Texas that was as indifferent about voting as Texas Democrats are.

In a country like the USA where even if the people are not real robots they sure do a very good imitation of being robots, a Jeff Bezos, who you mentioned and who has most definitely never acted like a robot, can take over. Bezos owns Amazon.com and the Washington Post. Neither has Trump ever acted like a robot and he took over his part of the USA. That small percent of Americans who never act like robots sure do kick ass and give orders to the other 99% who try to blend in with the wandering robot hordes that come in several varieties, including Democrats and Republicans.

I just finished reading this
https://aeon.co/ideas/panpsychism-is-crazy-but-its-also-most-probably-
true that makes me think human minds might not be as complex on the inside than they appear to be from outside observation. The minds might have the exact same "consciousness" as a charged particle: some are negatively charged electrons, some positively charged protons, some Democratic, some Republican, forever unchangeable except by a calamity inside an atom smasher.

SECOND

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:

Life: it's personal.

The Muppets Collaborate With Trump spokesman Sean Spicer

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 10:08 PM (P)

The title of this thread is " Is Trump Nuts? " Not is Hillary or anyone else. So far Trump has shown he is in completely over his head. And, he is using many unqualified people as his advisors. What does his daughter know about world politics or running a country. What does his son in law understand about running a country and producing foreign policy.

In a word, nothing. Trump is cutting funding to agencies full of professionals that are in place to do what he is picking his family and racists to do. These agencies now work for him. They are there to advise him on how government works and what makes the global community tick.

What has he accomplished so far...Alienating our allies and consistently undermining our democratic institutions.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 10:21 PM (P)

Quote:
I see it as much simpler. There are 60 million people that will reliably vote for the Republican, whoever he is, for the rest of their lives. It is what they have done; it's what they will do. These people will vote Republican even if they disapprove of the Republican's policies and personally dislike his character.

The people who vote for the Democratic candidate are almost as robotically opinionated as Republicans, but the Democratic voters are more prone than Republicans to being apathetic about actually voting.

And then, there are the independents, who make up a larger percentage of the voting population than Democrats, and who split for Trump.

Dividing the voting public into Repub-Dem voters is a mistake.

The simple fact of the matter was that enough people - including Democrats and unaffiliated voters - were so turned off by another "establishment" candidate that it was enough to make what should have been an entirely unpalatable candidate- Trump - entirely possible. And, yanno, people didn't just turn out reluctantly for Trump, they turned out enthusiastically. So the DNC needs to figure out what part of Trump's message people were responding to, and capture that lightning.

Stop "blaming" anyone and everyone for Hillary's loss.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 10:27 PM (P)

Quote:
]Originally posted by THGRRI:
The title of this thread is " Is Trump Nuts? " Not is Hillary or anyone else. So far Trump has shown he is in completely over his head. And, he is using many unqualified people as his advisors. What does his daughter know about world politics or running a country. What does his son in law understand about running a country and producing foreign policy.

In a word, nothing. Trump is cutting funding to agencies full of professionals that are in place to do what he is picking his family and racists to do. These agencies now work for him. They are there to advise him on how government works and what makes the global community tick.

What has he accomplished so far...Alienating our allies and consistently undermining our democratic institutions.

There's a difference between being "nuts" and being "unqualified".

As far as "undermining our democratic institutions" ... I fail to see which ones Trump is undermining. If anything, its the Dems who were so gobsmacked by the results that they wanted to overturn everything, and the unelected deep state which just wants to stay in charge as per usual.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

SECOND

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 10:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The title of this thread is " Is Trump Nuts? " Not is Hillary or anyone else. So far Trump has shown he is in completely over his head. And, he is using many unqualified people as his advisors.

President Donald Trump has removed Steve Bannon, his chief strategist, from the National Security Council, according to a filing in the federal registry. A top White House official told NBC News that Bannon was put on the NSC's Principals' Committee only as a check against then-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. Now that Flynn is gone, Bannon is no longer needed in that role, the official said.

O...kay. So Trump appointed Flynn as National Security Advisor, a guy so volatile and incompetent that he needed Bannon as the Flynn wrangler and baby-minder. That sure doesn't seem like a very reassuring clarification. Is Trump nuts?
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/steve-bannon-removed-national-security-co
uncil-n742926

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 5, 2017 10:40 PM (P)

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The title of this thread is " Is Trump Nuts? " Not is Hillary or anyone else. So far Trump has shown he is in completely over his head. And, he is using many unqualified people as his advisors.- THUGR

President Donald Trump has removed Steve Bannon, his chief strategist, from the National Security Council, according to a filing in the federal registry. A top White House official told NBC News that Bannon was put on the NSC's Principals' Committee only as a check against then-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. Now that Flynn is gone, Bannon is no longer needed in that role, the official said.

O...kay. So Trump appointed Flynn as National Security Advisor, a guy so volatile and incompetent that he needed Bannon as the Flynn wrangler and baby-minder. That sure doesn't seem like a very reassuring clarification. Is Trump nuts?
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/steve-bannon-removed-national-security-co
uncil-n742926

Maybe Trump is playing chess. It's possible that he put in a sacrificial appointee (Flynn) to accomplish a task, and either that appointee failed to complete, or did complete, but was no longer needed. Not a chess player myself, but I see what look like chess moves ... yanno, moving different pieces on the board.

One of the ways that Trump is very different from regular politicians is that he doesn't mind "hiring, firing, promoting, and demoting" people. Typical politicians put in a single appointee and usually stick with them for years. Obama ... he should have fired that backstabbing Hillary's ass a lot sooner!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

SECOND

Thursday, April 6, 2017 12:33 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe Trump is playing chess. It's possible that he put in a sacrificial appointee (Flynn) to accomplish a task, and either that appointee failed to complete, or did complete, but was no longer needed. Not a chess player myself, but I see what look like chess moves ... yanno, moving different pieces on the board.

One of the ways that Trump is very different from regular politicians is that he doesn't mind "hiring, firing, promoting, and demoting" people.

Was Trump playing chess when he did the following?

Trump sent a first message very loudly and clearly to the President of Syria.

Just days ago, Trump announced that the U.S. no longer had any problem with the regime of Syrian president, and Russian ally, Bashar Assad.

Repeating Trump, Rex Tillerson declared that the “longer-term status of President Assad will be decided by the Syrian people” — as if the Syrian people will be having an Iowa-like primary on that subject soon.

Repeating Trump’s message, U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley made the same point, telling reporters that the United States’ “priority is no longer to sit there and focus on getting Assad out.”

Assad sent a return message to Trump.

Assad thinks he can now get away with murder using Sarin gas, since what Trump said could be interpreted that Assad could.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/327436-trump-syrias-assad-c
rossed-a-lot-of-lines-with-gas-attack

I do believe Trump will need to send a clear second message to Assad, an equally simply message like the first. The message will have to clearer than “Yesterday you crossed some red lines, Assad.” Trump declined to outline what his new approach to Syria may be.

In other words, Trump is nuts when dealing with armed governments. Trump is NOT a chess playing genius.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Thursday, April 6, 2017 12:52 AM (P)

So far the man has been crushed by the job. Until Bannon actually leaves I won't have faith Trump is learning from his mistakes. And as for his promise of a no fly zone in Syria, another lie. I think the recent gassing of children may force him into taking some sort of action.

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
The title of this thread is " Is Trump Nuts? " Not is Hillary or anyone else. So far Trump has shown he is in completely over his head. And, he is using many unqualified people as his advisors.
President Donald Trump has removed Steve Bannon, his chief strategist, from the National Security Council, according to a filing in the federal registry. A top White House official told NBC News that Bannon was put on the NSC's Principals' Committee only as a check against then-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. Now that Flynn is gone, Bannon is no longer needed in that role, the official said.

O...kay. So Trump appointed Flynn as National Security Advisor, a guy so volatile and incompetent that he needed Bannon as the Flynn wrangler and baby-minder. That sure doesn't seem like a very reassuring clarification. Is Trump nuts?
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/steve-bannon-removed-national-security-co
uncil-n742926

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, April 6, 2017 2:08 AM (P)

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

I think the recent gassing of children may force him into taking some sort of action.

No reason to believe Trump will think of something sensible that will last long term. I believe he will do whatever feels best for Trump at this moment, not permanently solve a longstanding international problem. On 23 April 2016, the United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of 400,000 that had died in the war. The death toll from yesterday's suspected chemical attack currently stands at 72, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and is expected to rise.

This has happened before in Syria. I don't think Trump ever gave chemical weapons in Syria any thought before today, since he is more an improviser than a historian:

Haunting images of lifeless children piled in heaps reflected the magnitude of the attack, which was reminiscent of a 2013 chemical assault that left hundreds dead and was the worst in the country’s six-year conflict.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/3265208/syria-sarin-gas-massacre-dad-holds-dead-
twins/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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