Is Trump Nuts?
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Lol SECOND, I quoted you before pointing out what you posted to 6 was way beyond his reading comprehension skills. I see he still doesn't get it. It's just to funny.
Hey, you may want to try telling 6 directly, 6, I am talking to you. Or 6, I am not talking to you. It's just to funny.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:
You still expect I'm posting to answer your questions. Once in awhile I'll take the bait, but I can tell I'm wasting my time on you because you've got a serious problem with understanding the world as it actually is rather than your simple-minded model of how the world works.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Haha! Good luck getting a straight answer out of Second.
Incoming link to another vaguely related story to deflect your questions in 3..... 2...... 1....
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Quote:A test of 6stringJoker's reading skills:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Lol SECOND, I quoted you before pointing out what you posted to 6 was way beyond his reading comprehension skills. I see he still doesn't get it. It's just to funny.
Hey, you may want to try telling 6 directly, 6, I am talking to you. Or 6, I am not talking to you. It's just to funny.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/24/15375206/respect-trump-voter
s-truth
If you really respect Trump voters, tell them the truth:
Trump's nostalgia economics won’t work.
A wave of recent columns argue that what Trump superfans — or at least some hazily imagined, hard-pressed Northern working-class version of them — really want is respect. By all appearances, though, the opposite is the case. Those voters want what most voters want from politicians: to be disrespected, via shameless pandering and the occasional blatant lie.
This was true of the men I spoke to in Bucksport, Maine, in the summer of 2016 who’d never backed a GOP presidential candidate before but were drawn to Donald Trump on the theory that he could bring back the shuttered Verso paper mill — whose closure devastated the community. They seemed most of all to want to be told that reopening the mill was a realistic dream, even though it almost certainly is not.
That doesn’t make Trump fans unique. It makes them normal. Politicians who tell liberals that overturning Citizens United would solve all their problems or that an aggressive crackdown on fossil fuel use would magically usher in a bonanza of well-paid green jobs are, similarly, misleading their constituents and not respecting them.
But if you really respect people and really want to help them, you need to level with them at some point.
More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/24/15375206/respect-trump-voter
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Whether or not you agree with what they say about policies in the article, it's about having an honest discussion. Not possible here. Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:
A test of 6stringJoker's reading skills:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Lol SECOND, I quoted you before pointing out what you posted to 6 was way beyond his reading comprehension skills. I see he still doesn't get it. It's just to funny.
Hey, you may want to try telling 6 directly, 6, I am talking to you. Or 6, I am not talking to you. It's just to funny.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/24/15375206/respect-trump-voter
s-truth
If you really respect Trump voters, tell them the truth:
Trump's nostalgia economics won’t work.
A wave of recent columns argue that what Trump superfans — or at least some hazily imagined, hard-pressed Northern working-class version of them — really want is respect. By all appearances, though, the opposite is the case. Those voters want what most voters want from politicians: to be disrespected, via shameless pandering and the occasional blatant lie.
This was true of the men I spoke to in Bucksport, Maine, in the summer of 2016 who’d never backed a GOP presidential candidate before but were drawn to Donald Trump on the theory that he could bring back the shuttered Verso paper mill — whose closure devastated the community. They seemed most of all to want to be told that reopening the mill was a realistic dream, even though it almost certainly is not.
That doesn’t make Trump fans unique. It makes them normal. Politicians who tell liberals that overturning Citizens United would solve all their problems or that an aggressive crackdown on fossil fuel use would magically usher in a bonanza of well-paid green jobs are, similarly, misleading their constituents and not respecting them.
But if you really respect people and really want to help them, you need to level with them at some point.
More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/24/15375206/respect-trump-voter
s-truth
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Quote:You're expecting them to publicly agree to reverse themselves on Trump, either for him or against him. Privately, that might happen but there is nowhere on the internet, not just at fireflyfans.net, where that has ever happened in public. Now on with the continuing story of Trump. In the episode where Trump does his latest parody of being wise and well-informed:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Whether or not you agree with what they say about policies in the article, it's about having an honest discussion. Not possible here.
Trump demands federal funding for a border wall he promised Mexico would pay for. He has leaned heavily on the argument that the wall is the only way to stop illegal drugs from coming across the Southwest border.
“The Wall is a very important tool in stopping drugs from pouring into our country and poisoning our youth (and many others)!” the president tweeted this week. “If the wall is not built, which it will be, the drug situation will NEVER be fixed the way it should be!”
But experts on the drug trade say a border wall, even one as big and beautiful as Trump promised, would be near-impotent in stemming the supply of illegal drugs.
The primary reason? Drugs that flow across the Southwest border, like heroin, are primarily transported through existing border checkpoints via cars and trucks. Those checkpoints will be there whether the wall gets built or not.
Mexican drug cartels “transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers,” the DEA writes in its 2015 National Drug Threat Assessment. “The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers.”
Trump does not know it but his administration knows this. At an April hearing, Department of Homeland Security Secretary John F. Kelly acknowledged that illegal drugs “mostly come through the ports of entry.” At a separate hearing in February, the director of a customs border task force told lawmakers that “the Southwest land border POEs are the major points of entry for illegal drugs, where smugglers use a wide variety of tactics and techniques for concealing drugs.”
Maybe Trump should talk to his own people? Or is that too much work?
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/25/the-1-reason-why-trumps
-wall-wont-fix-the-drug-problem/
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Polls show he has lost 2% of his followers. But no, you're right. Many still don't acknowledge they voted for him in the first place. More statistics show when called by a real person, more said they didn't vote Trump than when answering to a recording. Those of his voters who are not ideologues, are saying it is still to soon to say if they have made a mistake. Quote:
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You're expecting them to publicly agree to reverse themselves on Trump, either for him or against him. Privately, that might happen but there is nowhere on the internet, not just at fireflyfans.net, where that has ever happened in public. Now on with the continuing story of Trump. In the episode where Trump does his latest parody of being wise and well-informed:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Whether or not you agree with what they say about policies in the article, it's about having an honest discussion. Not possible here.
Trump demands federal funding for a border wall he promised Mexico would pay for. He has leaned heavily on the argument that the wall is the only way to stop illegal drugs from coming across the Southwest border.
“The Wall is a very important tool in stopping drugs from pouring into our country and poisoning our youth (and many others)!” the president tweeted this week. “If the wall is not built, which it will be, the drug situation will NEVER be fixed the way it should be!”
But experts on the drug trade say a border wall, even one as big and beautiful as Trump promised, would be near-impotent in stemming the supply of illegal drugs.
The primary reason? Drugs that flow across the Southwest border, like heroin, are primarily transported through existing border checkpoints via cars and trucks. Those checkpoints will be there whether the wall gets built or not.
Mexican drug cartels “transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers,” the DEA writes in its 2015 National Drug Threat Assessment. “The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers.”
Trump does not know it but his administration knows this. At an April hearing, Department of Homeland Security Secretary John F. Kelly acknowledged that illegal drugs “mostly come through the ports of entry.” At a separate hearing in February, the director of a customs border task force told lawmakers that “the Southwest land border POEs are the major points of entry for illegal drugs, where smugglers use a wide variety of tactics and techniques for concealing drugs.”
Maybe Trump should talk to his own people? Or is that too much work?
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/25/the-1-reason-why-trumps
-wall-wont-fix-the-drug-problem/
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And Second doesn't disappoint! 
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Quote:I saw an article this morning that mentioned Herbert Hoover, despite his incompetent handling of the Great Depression, still got 80 percent of his previous vote total during his doomed reelection bid. Trump has now got a nearly perfect 96 percent lock on Trump voters. But what might keep Trump from serving 8 years are the people who did not vote for either Trump or Hillary.
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Originally posted by second:
Maybe Trump should talk to his own people? Or is that too much work?
Trump IS a man of the people. Really. Having Trump as president is like having my neighbor suddenly plucked out of his house and life and made president. I can just hear Dan say, "Huh? Who know Health Care could be so complicated?" Dan also watches Fox, and parrots pretty much everything they say.
I find Trump's stubbornness and lack of focus, ie, his inability to LEARN, one of the most troubling things. Now he's going back to his vendetta against the ACA, tax reform in a week, The Wall (terrible movie), he's in a loop of failure, too stubborn to take on what might actually work, just "force it! I will not be denied!"
I met a traveller from an antique land . . .
Trump’s inability to win over the majority of voters who backed a rival candidate is a much bigger deal than his skill at retaining the support of most of the people who already voted for him. The big question in American politics is whether Trump’s opponents can find a platform and set of candidates that unite the diverse and somewhat diffuse anti-Trump majority, not whether the president’s fans continue to celebrate him.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/25/15399028/trump-supporters-ov
errated
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Trump’s White House is obsessed with how its first 100 days will be scored in the media. It’s a ridiculous, arbitrary marker and Trump himself has even said so. But he’s the most media-obsessed president of all time and The Trump White House is very concerned about how it will be graded on its first 100 days. Trump himself has called the marker “ridiculous.” But he clearly cares about it profoundly, which is why he’s out there telling absurd lies about the scale of his achievements and having his press office release an error-riddled comparison of Trump’s 100 days to his predecessors.
Trump was, of course, right the first time. It’s an entirely meaninglessly milestone. But in his desperation to put points on the board, the White House is suddenly jamming the last week of his 100 days with a crowded agenda of half-baked policy items. He’s got a new health care bill that hasn’t been scored by the CBO, suddenly has a plan to totally rewrite the tax code, but still needs congress to avert a government shutdown, while he picks obscure fights with Canada.
It’s an approach to government that prioritizes good cable news segments over good governance and it’s ridiculous.
Normal presidents downplay the 100 days cliché. Trump is letting it control him this week. Has the situation driven him momentarily crazy because the 100th day deadline is on Saturday?
www.vox.com/2017/4/26/15413388/trump-100-days-obsession
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Yesterday Trump revealed his tax plan. It is one page. That is less than his four page tax plan from the campaign. He had 100 days to work on it and the new plan is less detailed than the old. Real plans get more detailed with time. Trump should have released this plan earlier, on April Fool’s Day.
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/trump-tax-reform.pdf
There are good reasons, short reasons, to think Trump’s tax plan is a huge boon for corporations and the rich, which pleases me.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/trump-tax-plan-unveiled
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/one-chart-shows-how-trump-tax-p
lan-will-totally-pay-itself
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Trump was, of course, right the first time. It’s an entirely meaninglessly milestone.
Yeah, no kidding.
To some, Trump was the worst president we've ever had the second they realized he won....
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One of the central conceits of Trump’s presidential campaign was that all shortcomings of US public policy stemmed from the fact that the country’s previous political leaders were either stupid or corrupt.
Potential Canadian retaliation against Trump’s lumber measures reveals that, on the contrary, many issues are genuinely difficult. Every administration launches its share of trade policy actions, but it’s often hard to bring these disputes to a satisfactory resolution precisely because the other side also gets to retaliate. Foreign governments can often become quite clever at coming up with actions that maximize political damage to their American adversaries while minimizing economic costs to themselves.
A bar on American coal exports from the British Columbia port would be, in this sense, perfect. Trump has made big promises to the American coal industry and could pay a real price for failing to represent their interests. British Columbia, meanwhile, gains relatively little from being a way station between American coal and Asian power plants, and public opinion in Canada — where Trudeau is constantly walking a tightrope between trying to take action on climate change and trying to exploit Canada’s oil sands resources — would probably support banning American coal on environmental grounds alone.
Trump could, of course, always try to come up with a new tit-for-tat countermeasure in response. His problem in winning this kind of dispute, however, is that identifying clever trade war targets requires a fair degree of substantive policy knowledge — an area in which he is notably lacking.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/27/15444540/british-columbia-co
al-exports
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I'll give him more than 3 months to figure it out.
At least his foreign policy isn't bend over for everybody like Barry. Well... everyone but those we were already bombing and drone striking under GWB... Apparently, they could go fuck themselves.
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Once upon a time this thread was attempting to ridicule the accurate, pointed, and too-close-to-home revelations of the Obama illegal wiretapping of Trump.
Have all the Obamabot drones tired so much of denying the truth and facts, that they don't even bother addressing their denials, delusions, and dungheap talking points anymore?
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Quote:In other countries, law enforcement has no qualms about arresting ex-Presidents. South Korea, for example, arrested its ex-President. Bush hasn’t visited Europe since 2008, has he? He’s afraid of the law. If Obama broke the law then the FBI would have already arrested him. He’s not President. He can’t stop them. Same goes for Hillary and her email server. Yet, the FBI has done nothing. Obama and Hillary didn’t break the law. They have no immunity from law. But if you want to say they did break the law despite not being arrested, you are a nutcase. Seek help from a minister or psychologist.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Once upon a time this thread was attempting to ridicule the accurate, pointed, and too-close-to-home revelations of the Obama illegal wiretapping of Trump.
Have all the Obamabot drones tired so much of denying the truth and facts, that they don't even bother addressing their denials, delusions, and dungheap talking points anymore?
Bush cancels visit to Swiss charity gala over fears he could be arrested on torture charges
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1354211/George-W-Bush-cancels-Switzer
land-visit-fears-arrest-torture-charges.html
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Actually, the FBI said that Hillary DID break the law.
The only reason she "got away" with it is because they found that she unknowingly broke the law. In the same breath they made a point of letting everybody else know that this was not going to be a get out of jail free card for anybody else.
Yeah. That was Comey who said that. I think you guys were trying to say that he is Trump's pet, right?
lol
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Quote:Do you often "unknowingly" spread falsehoods? There has never been a law that says if you "unknowingly" broke the law you didn't break the law. The "unknowingly" might influence the severity of the sentence the criminal eventually receives much later, but the criminal still get arrested in the here and now, if the cop (not the criminal) feels like obeying the law. And Comey had plenty of motivation to feel like arresting Hillary and let a judge sort it all out because the entire Republican Party was aware of every little detail of Comey investigating Hillary.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Actually, the FBI said that Hillary DID break the law.
The only reason she "got away" with it is because they found that she unknowingly broke the law. In the same breath they made a point of letting everybody else know that this was not going to be a get out of jail free card for anybody else.
Yeah. That was Comey who said that. I think you guys were trying to say that he is Trump's pet, right?
lol
The New York Times published a detailed story about why Comey did what he did. At every step of the way, Comey demonstrated either his fear of crossing Republicans or his concern over protecting his own reputation from Republican attacks after the election. He was not reacting to what Hillary did or knew. He only reacted to what Republicans might do to him or think of him.
www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/us/politics/james-comey-election.html
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....As Trump is beginning to better understand the challenges—and the limits—of the presidency, his aides are understanding better how to manage perhaps the most improvisational and free-wheeling president in history. “If you’re an adviser to him, your job is to help him at the margins,” said one Trump confidante. “To talk him out of doing crazy things.”
www.politico.com/story/2017/04/27/the-education-of-donald-trump-237669
Go ahead and read the whole thing if you want to know how Trump is. The White House remains on a collision course between the president's fixed habits and the demands of his new job.
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Since his ascension to the White House, conventional wisdom has developed an odd tendency to describe Trump's inability to make major legislative changes as an indication that his presidency is failing. It's certainly true that Paul Ryan’s speakership of the House is failing, arguable that Mitch McConnell’s tenure as majority leader of the Senate is failing, and indisputably true that the Koch brothers’ drive to infuse hardcore libertarian ideological zeal into the GOP is failing.
But Trump isn’t failing. He and his family appear to be making money hand over fist. It's a spectacle the likes of which we've never seen in the United States, and while it may end in disaster for the Trumps someday, for now it shows no real sign of failure.
Details of how Trump grows wealthier are at "Donald Trump’s first 100 days have been a moneymaking success story"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/28/15365438/donald-trump-100-da
ys-kleptocracy
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"I loved my previous life. I had so many things going," Trump told Reuters in an interview. "This is more work than in my previous life. I thought it would be easier." He was nuts to think that, then he went on to say something even nuttier.
The president has been at loggerheads with many news organizations since his election campaign and decided not to attend the White House Correspondents' Dinner in Washington on Saturday because he felt he had been treated unfairly by the media.
"I would come next year, absolutely," Trump said when asked whether he would attend in the future. Does Trump really think the News will be kinder and fairer to him once they get to know him better? Is he completely nuts or what? That is not how the News has ever worked with any President. Does Trump not understand this?
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-100days-idUSKBN17U0CA
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Originally posted by second:
Do you often "unknowingly" spread falsehoods?
No. I do not.
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There has never been a law that says if you "unknowingly" broke the law you didn't break the law.
You're right. There isn't. Ignorance of the law is no excuse... Unless you're Hillary Clinton.
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The "unknowingly" might influence the severity of the sentence the criminal eventually receives much later, but the criminal still get arrested in the here and now, if the cop (not the criminal) feels like obeying the law. And Comey had plenty of motivation to feel like arresting Hillary and let a judge sort it all out because the entire Republican Party was aware of every little detail of Comey investigating Hillary.
The New York Times published a detailed story about why Comey did what he did. At every step of the way, Comey demonstrated either his fear of crossing Republicans or his concern over protecting his own reputation from Republican attacks after the election. He was not reacting to what Hillary did or knew. He only reacted to what Republicans might do to him or think of him.
www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/us/politics/james-comey-election.html
It should have gone to trial. Why it still hasn't is another disappointment of mine since Trump has been elected.
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Quote:Trump’s Attorney General won’t try Hillary because he can't prove she is guilty, but as long as there is no trial Trump can continue to insinuate she is guilty. Even Trump’s people don’t believe what Trump said about Hillary. If they believed Trump was not a liar, they would go to trial.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
It should have gone to trial. Why it still hasn't is another disappointment of mine since Trump has been elected.
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Comey said that what she did was illegal... lol
They didn't put her on trial because she's Hillary, and the excuse was that they "believed that she didn't know what she was doing was illegal and they had no reason to believe that she did it with ill intent".
Maybe if you keep hearing that it will sink in.
It had nothing to do with Trump at all when it was happening.
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Is Trump Nuts? It only requires a one word answer. I'll start it off.
YES
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Quote:Trump made a sudden U-turn on NAFTA earlier this week. To refresh your memories:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Maybe if you keep hearing that it will sink in.
“I was all set to terminate,” Trump said in an Oval Office interview Thursday night. “I looked forward to terminating. I was going to do it.”...At one point, he turned to Kushner, who was standing near his desk, and asked, “Was I ready to terminate NAFTA?”
“Yeah,” Kushner said, before explaining the case he made to the president: “I said, ‘Look, there’s plusses and minuses to doing it,’ and either way he would have ended up in a good place.”
Trump was all ready to pull the trigger, but then his advisors brought in a colorful map showing that lots of red states and counties would be harmed by pulling out of NAFTA. That is all it took for Trump to flip-flop on NAFTA, after years of him saying and doing the opposite. There is no equivalent explanation for Trump's flip-flop on appointing a special prosecutor for Hillary, either. Trump changed his mind for no goddamn reason at all.
But then when I think about it for 5 minutes, maybe NAFTA and Hillary were just tales told by Trump, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
http://nfs.sparknotes.com/macbeth/page_202.html
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/wednesday-was-most-dangerous-da
y-so-far-trump-presidency
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump made a sudden U-turn on NAFTA earlier this week. To refresh your memories:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Maybe if you keep hearing that it will sink in.
“I was all set to terminate,” Trump said in an Oval Office interview Thursday night. “I looked forward to terminating. I was going to do it.”...At one point, he turned to Kushner, who was standing near his desk, and asked, “Was I ready to terminate NAFTA?”
“Yeah,” Kushner said, before explaining the case he made to the president: “I said, ‘Look, there’s plusses and minuses to doing it,’ and either way he would have ended up in a good place.”
Trump was all ready to pull the trigger, but then his advisors brought in a colorful map showing that lots of red states and counties would be harmed by pulling out of NAFTA. That is all it took for Trump to flip-flop on NAFTA, after years of him saying and doing the opposite. There is no equivalent explanation for Trump's flip-flop on appointing a special prosecutor for Hillary, either. Trump changed his mind for no goddamn reason at all.
But then when I think about it for 5 minutes, maybe NAFTA and Hillary were just tales told by Trump, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
http://nfs.sparknotes.com/macbeth/page_202.html
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/wednesday-was-most-dangerous-da
y-so-far-trump-presidency
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I'm going to wait and see on the whole NAFTA issue. What I've heard so far is just as disappointing as Trumps other Hillary-like decisions he's made so far. There are plenty of articles you could have posted other than the one obviously written by a child though. I assume this story was handed to the editor, written in crayons.
There may be a link here as to why Hillary hasn't been prosecuted yet. We'll have to see about that one as well.
At least you and I are making progress here though. You're no longer claiming that Hillary didn't break the law, albeit allegedly unknowingly.
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Quote:The link is Trump is disorganized.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
There may be a link here as to why Hillary hasn't been prosecuted yet. We'll have to see about that one as well.
I want Trump to punish Hillary. He needs to punish her with a multiyear sentence to jail. A sentence of only a fine and community service would mean Trump failed to keep his campaign promise. I believe he will fail to convict her, but Trump should try with all his might because he promised.
www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/10/gregg-jarrett-will-trump-fulfill-hi
s-vow-to-pursue-criminal-case-against-hillary.html
I want Trump to bring back coal-mining jobs. Bring all the jobs back, hundreds of thousands, not just a few thousand. I believe he will fail, but he should try with all his might.
www.technologyreview.com/s/604283/heres-why-trumps-plan-to-save-the-co
al-industry-is-doomed/
I want Trump to build the Texas/Mexico wall. A complete wall. 100% of the border, not just a few hundred miles. I believe he will fail, but he should try with all his might.
www.mystatesman.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/why-trump-bord
er-wall-won-easy-build-texas/nETzFp1Re8H3xpDllXiu4N/
I want Trump to deport 11 million illegal aliens, not just a few million. I believe he will fail, but he should try with all his might.
www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/unauthorized-immigrants/
How long are we waiting for Trump to make his move on his promises? These have a deadline in October 2020, the month before the next election. WWII was finished in less time and was bigger than all Trump’s promises put together. “All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them,” tweeted Trump. I want to see the courageous Trump, not the disorganized Trump making excuses.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/269159314021838848
I found a historic example of another procrastinator like Trump: President James Buchanan. He aspired to be a president who would rank in history with George Washington. His inability to address the sharply divided partisans with a unifying principle on the brink of the Civil War has led to his consistent ranking by historians as one of the worst presidents in American history. Historians who participated in a 2006 survey voted his failure to deal with secession the worst presidential mistake ever made. Buchanan's view was that secession was illegal, but that going to war to stop it was also illegal, and so he avoided responsibility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan
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I'm not surprised that they fell in love:
Trump invites Philippines' Duterte to the White House
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39762742
Filipino President Rodrigo Duterte (R), assisted by Special Assistant to the President Christopher Lawrence Go (L), speaking to US President Donald J. Trump during a phone call on the sidelines of the gala.
President Rodrigo Duterte spoke with Donald Trump on Saturday.
Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte has been invited to visit the White House following a "very friendly" telephone call with Donald Trump.
The two leaders discussed Mr Duterte's controversial war on drugs, which has left more than 7,000 people dead in under 12 months.
According to the White House, Mr Trump "enjoyed the conversation", and has extended an invitation - although a date has not yet been set.
The visit will be a chance "to discuss the importance of the United States-Philippines alliance, which is now heading in a very positive direction," a statement from the White House said. A meeting between Mr Duterte and Barack Obama was called off last year after he called the US president a "son of a whore".
Mr Duterte has faced international condemnation for his brutal crackdown on drugs in the Philippines.
Thousands of suspected drug dealers have been killed by police or vigilante groups, and tens of thousands more have been rounded up and arrested.
The president - who, like Mr Trump, was elected last year - has also said he would be happy to kill the country's millions of drug addicts. Perhaps Duterte will encourage Trump to kill millions of American addicts? Perhaps Trump will think it is an excellent idea. Obama declared Duterte had evil ambitions and was murdering Filipinos, which caused Duterte to tell Obama "go to hell". I can't see that happening to Trump.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/10/04/16/what-the-us-says-on-dutertes-att
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LOL.... that's okay. Once again I'll take your dodging of the issue as your concession of the issue. This is becoming our regular thing here, isn't it Second?
NOTE TO FUTURE: Game. Set. Match.
The only thing I can say about your long thread dodging any acknowledgement that Hillary did break the law....
Yup. I'd like Trump to do at least a few of the things he promised on the campaign trail. It would be nice if for once in my life ANY politician did anything that they promised on the campaign trail.
Here's a homework project for you Second, since you like doing "research" so much.
How about you go back through every president in your lifetime and write up a list of all the failed campaign promises. I promise you that if you don't leave anything out it will end up being the longest post that was ever put on fireflyfans.net by a factor of three.
They're sure lucky they work in the Public Sector. If they worked in the Private Sector, not only would they all have been fired for incompetence, but they would have all been buried under class-action lawsuits for false advertising.
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Quote:You got it backward. It is Trump who needs to prove the felonies in court since he is the one that said many times that Hillary is guilty of felonies (not trivial rule breaking and mishandling of unimportant and routine emails). If Trump won't bother to prove it (his Attorney General Jeff Sessions has all the resources in America to do that if he would only bother to do it) that is solid proof Trump was lying all along about Hillary. Hate to tell you this, but Trump is full of baloney.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
The only thing I can say about your long thread dodging any acknowledgement that Hillary did break the law....
Yup. I'd like Trump to do at least a few of the things he promised on the campaign trail. It would be nice if for once in my life ANY politician did anything that they promised on the campaign trail.
Here's a homework project for you Second, since you like doing "research" so much.
How about you go back through every president in your lifetime and write up a list of all the failed campaign promises. I promise you that if you don't leave anything out it will end up being the longest post that was ever put on fireflyfans.net by a factor of three.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy#Opinio
ns_of_journalists_and_experts
Last night in Pennsylvania, Trump again promised to build the Texas/Mexico wall. That is no longer a worthless campaign pledge to be ignored, even by you. I want him to try his very hardest to finish the wall. I grow impatient waiting for him to do the work.
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(not trivial rule breaking and mishandling of unimportant and routine emails)
That's what you really think it was?
Care to try addressing the facts, again?
Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
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Let's look at this from another angle, SECOND.
Do you believe that when Rose Mary Woods deleted a critical section of the Nixon tapes it was an accident, as she claimed?
ETA: Your actions, SECOND, indicate you're not here to actually discuss anything, but that you have a different agenda. If you're not going to discuss things, I suggest you rethink your presence here on a discussion board.
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
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Trump: Crazy Like a Fox, or Just Crazy?
Has the first 100 days of the presidency made Donald Trump nuts? You read all of Trump’s 100-day interviews and they are just bizarre.
Out of nowhere Trump tells us he would be “honored” to negotiate directly with the leader of North Korea, after weeks of threatening war. Out of nowhere he says he would consider a gasoline tax to pay for infrastructure. Out of nowhere he says he is considering breaking up the nation’s biggest banks. He also insists that his Obamacare replacement legislation contains protections for people with pre-existing conditions that it doesn’t.
There’s barely a dictator in the world for whom he doesn’t have praise. And he repeats a known falsehood — that Barack Obama wiretapped him — and tells reporters they should go find the truth, when, as president, he could get the truth from the F.B.I. with one phone call, and when pressed whether he stands by that allegation, answers, “I don’t stand by anything.”
Is this a political strategy unfolding or a psychiatric condition unfolding? I don’t know — continue at www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/opinion/trump-crazy-like-a-fox-or-just-craz
y.html?_r=0
I found a believable answer in the comments to the NYTimes opinion: Trump's not crazy, he makes intentionally outrageous statements to set up a cover for the times when he makes unintentionally idiotic statements. He brings his daughter and son-in-law on staff so they can explain to him what's going on - they are literally the only people who won't rat him out.
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When confronted with his lack of knowledge of foreign affairs, Donald Trump responded: ‘I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me.’ – from “Our World Outsmarts Us” by Robert Burton
https://aeon.co/essays/the-complexity-of-social-problems-is-outsmartin
g-the-human-brain
The article is illustrated by a cartoon from Puck magazine in 1909. Look at it carefully because the labels on the characters are hard to read. Once you do, then it makes perfect sense why that cartoon, The Laughter of the Gods, is on an article by a neurologist who is explaining that each of us at some point reaches the limits of our expertise and knowledge. Those limits make our misjudgments that lie beyond those boundaries undetectable to us.
Maybe the 19th-century French writer Alexandre Dumas said it best: ‘The difference between genius and stupidity is: genius has its limits.’
Trump’s health care bill is a betrayal of all his promises. With his limitations, does he understand what is in the bill? Maybe not.
Trumpcare does the opposite of what he says.
Having run a campaign during which he promised to cover everyone, protect Medicaid from cuts, and replace Affordable Care Act plans with “terrific” coverage, Trump is now behind a bill that cuts Medicaid, covers fewer people, and allows states to replace ACA plans with stingier coverage.
That’s all happening because the GOP is committed to rolling back the taxes that pay for the Affordable Care Act, delivering a financial windfall to high-income families even though Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin swore at his confirmation hearings that the Trump administration would not pursue tax cuts for the rich.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
ETA: Your actions, SECOND, indicate you're not here to actually discuss anything, but that you have a different agenda. If you're not going to discuss things, I suggest you rethink your presence here on a discussion board.
I don't bother with digging up old stuff people posted here like some others, but if you care to look a while back 1kiki, Second herself already admitted as much. She has absolutely no interest in having a discussion with anybody but herself about anything.
I'm paraphrasing here, but she said that she is "speaking to the future", whatever that means.
Pure left-wing elitist ideological douch-baggery. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Quote:For me to get you to back down is as impossible as me getting Trump to back down on Trumpcare, as today's example. There is huge difference between his understanding of Trumpcare and what in the real world bill. Does that make him change his mind? Never. Are you changing your mind about Trump? Not happening, is it? What is there to discuss with someone like you? You made yourself very clear who you are many years ago, as has 1kiki and Signym. Or have you been faking it all these years?
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
ETA: Your actions, SECOND, indicate you're not here to actually discuss anything, but that you have a different agenda. If you're not going to discuss things, I suggest you rethink your presence here on a discussion board.
I don't bother with digging up old stuff people posted here like some others, but if you care to look a while back 1kiki, Second herself already admitted as much. She has absolutely no interest in having a discussion with anybody but herself about anything.
I'm paraphrasing here, but she said that she is "speaking to the future", whatever that means.
Pure left-wing elitist ideological douch-baggery. Nothing more, nothing less.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-this-is-not-the-health-care-b
ill-that-donald-trump-promised/ar-BBAKTg5?ocid=spartanntp
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I've been drunk for years. That's no excuse for my behavior, but you don't have a clue who I am, lady. What I can say is that I'm probably the most honest and definitely the most "human" poster on this board after sticking around here and not running away like a little bitch would after sobering up.
Trump is doing fine enough on his own changing my mind about things, but it's going to take a hell of a lot more, dare I say WWIII, for me to ever truthfully admit that we aren't still better off than we would have been with another Clinton in office.
Don't try to turn this around on me or lump me in with opinions of others who don't tow your elitist lib-tard mentality. I'm at peace with who I am, flaws and all. Maybe you should do a little soul searching yourself. I couldn't even begin to imagine what your problems are, but I won't deny that rich people have them too even if I could never relate to or empathize with them.
Keep your judgement and your bullshit link posting you pretend are opinions to yourself. If I want to hear somebody mindlessly parrot the crap you post everyday I'll order cable TV and watch some CNN.
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I think you are in for a big shock, 6string.
All the "MSM Trump bashing rumorz" will be proven. Then you are going to hear crazy conspirasy theoryz from your rite wing media soursez for a wile. Then gradually, they will tranzition to a cya (cover your ass) stratejy az the facts emerj, attempting to distans the Republican party from Trump.
Rite wing voterz, who are currently ignoring how much their congressmen and senatorz are trying to keep the TrumPutin skandel quiet, will not need to forget it wen they are being told that Ryan and McConnell dezerv credit for impeaching Trump.
The more you insulate yourself, the worst the shock will be.
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What is there to discuss with someone like you? You made yourself very clear who you are many years ago, as has 1kiki and Signym. Or have you been faking it all these years?
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I've been drunk for years. That's no excuse for my behavior, but you don't have a clue who I am, lady. What I can say is that I'm probably the most honest and definitely the most "human" poster on this board
Jack, it's you who is not being honest about who you are. First, as SECOND says, you are closed minded. Then there were the perverted posts. Some that scared me concerning your niece. They made me hope her parents were paying attention. Years of drunken posts is a lot. Trust me when I say, you have been given close to a free ride here as far as being held accountable.
As for SIG and 1kiki, there are years of posts proving what SECOND is implying, and what G, myself and others here continue to reveal about them. Not that they are passionate about topics, and post that way. But instead how they lie and twist the truth, and what they are doing is trolling these threads.
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Trump iznt just disconnected from reality, he'z also really stoopid!
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Originally posted by JO753:
I think you are in for a big shock, 6string.
All the "MSM Trump bashing rumorz" will be proven. Then you are going to hear crazy conspirasy theoryz from your rite wing media soursez for a wile. Then gradually, they will tranzition to a cya (cover your ass) stratejy az the facts emerj, attempting to distans the Republican party from Trump.
Rite wing voterz, who are currently ignoring how much their congressmen and senatorz are trying to keep the TrumPutin skandel quiet, will not need to forget it wen they are being told that Ryan and McConnell dezerv credit for impeaching Trump.
The more you insulate yourself, the worst the shock will be.
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I don't watch Fox and I don't listen to Rush or any of that bullshit either. Don't call it "my" right wing news. You'll notice I don't go around posting any links by them here either.
You might end up being right about Trump at the end of the day. I'm not tied to him. I voted for somebody the establishment on both sides didn't want, and I voted against somebody that I saw as purely an evil person in Clinton. Every day that passes it seems that the first half of that was a wasted effort on my part, but at least it seems the Clinton Dynasty is dead.
I don't only vote for Right wingers either. Now's the time to start bringing some sanity back to the Democratic party. Show me somebody I can believe in.
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Jack, it's you who is not being honest about who you are. First, as SECOND says, you are closed minded. Then there were the perverted posts. Some that scared me concerning your niece. They made me hope her parents were paying attention. Years of drunken posts is a lot. Trust me when I say, you have been given close to a free ride here as far as being held accountable.
As for SIG and 1kiki, there are years of posts proving what SECOND is implying, and what G, myself and others here continue to reveal about them. Not that they are passionate about topics, and post that way. But instead how they lie and twist the truth, and what they are doing is trolling these threads.
I don't give a shit about Signy or 1kiki (no offense intended), so the second part of your post or Second's thoughts about them don't mean shit to me.
I'm nothing but honest about who I am. I've admitted mistakes I've made and I have not denied my problems. I have the ability at any time to go back and delete tons of posts here at any time if I wanted to, but they will all remain here. You know this first hand because when I'm really beating your ass down here you show the depths you will sink and dig up posts from some of the worst moments of my life as if you're going to blackmail me with them. That will not happen. I'm an open book. Feel free to show what a little worm you are and do it any time you feel the need to do it.
But don't you ever say a fucking thing about my niece again.
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Originally posted by JO753:
Trump iznt just disconnected from reality, he'z also really stoopid!
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Good post, loved the part about Paul Ryan and his hypocrisy.
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Quote:So, you're NOT here to discuss. You're here to do battle and vanquish anyone who doesn't agree with you 100%.
For me to get you to back down is as impossible as me getting Trump to back down on Trumpcare ...
Believe me, I could tell. In fact, I already pointed it out.
Quote:In any case, for you to get me to back down on anything, you'd first have to address what I post. But since you've never even done that, as far as I'm concerned, your posts are beyond pointless as a discussion. Or even a battle.
ETA: Your actions, SECOND, indicate you're not here to actually discuss anything, but that you have a different agenda. If you're not going to discuss things, I suggest you rethink your presence here on a discussion board.
Care to try addressing the facts, again?
Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
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Quote:1kiki, you have thin skin AND you are nuts. Why discuss anything with you? But you are good at expressing your self, unlike Trump. You ought to try writing firefly fan fiction. You'd be great at it. Moving on to a nutty statement Trump made twice, yesterday:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you're NOT here to discuss. You're here to do battle and vanquish anyone who doesn't agree with you 100%.
Believe me, I could tell. In fact, I already pointed it out. In any case, for you to get me to back down on anything, you'd first have to address what I post. But since you've never even done that, as far as I'm concerned, your posts are beyond pointless as a discussion. Or even a battle.
Care to try addressing the facts, again?
Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?
"I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia," Trump said on TV, "because you have better healthcare than we do."
www.businessinsider.com/trump-australia-health-care-bernie-sanders-201
7-5
Trump wouldn’t stop there. He tweeted that everybody, not just Australia, is better.
www.businessinsider.com/trump-tweet-australia-healthcare-obamacare-201
7-5
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Of course the Australians have better healthcare than we do --everybody does. ObamaCare is dead! But our healthcare will soon be great.
12:13 PM - 5 May 2017
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/860573284462669824
Why is Trump nuts? Needless to say, Trump doesn't have a clue about what kind of health care Australia provides or whether it's better than ours. He's just whistling in the wind, like he always does.
Again, why is Trump nuts? Because for years conservatives have insisted that America has the best health care in the world. Normally, a statement like this would produce a huge blowback among conservatives. But conservatives all know that Trump has no idea what he's saying. Trump is babbling happily on TV and twitter while Congress kills off the most Australian-ish aspects of American health care.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I don't watch Fox and I don't listen to Rush or any of that bullshit either.
Az you keep insisting. I dont recall you telling us where you get your newz.
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Jo, you've always been a self important twat.
When did you decide to be a douche as well?
Care to try addressing the facts, again?
Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Jo, you've always been a self important twat.
When did you decide to be a douche as well?
I dont recall. I'll haf to review my recordz and get back to you if I can find out wen.
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Quote:Fixed it for you.
SECOND, you have thin skin AND you are nuts. Why discuss anything with you? And you're crappy at expressing your self, like Trump. SO bad at it that you can only repost what others have written. Apparently, you have no insight of your own. Don't try writing firefly fan fiction. You'd be horrible at it.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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Quote:Well, where do you get yours?
Az you keep insisting. I dont recall you telling us where you get your newz. -JO
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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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I usually watch the NBC evening newz with Lester Holt. I'm on an antenna far frum any tranzmitterz, so I usually cant get CBS and ABC iz spotty.
Then therez Meet the Press with Chuck Todd and if I'm getting the signal, This Week with George Stefanopolous on sunday morning.
Most uv the newz on the TrumPutin scandal I get from Rachel Maddow on MSNBC on their website or Youtube.
Occasionally I'll turn on the radio on my alarm clock wich iz tuned to an AM rite wing station kuz it haz the strongest signal. No suprize that their newz iz 'different'. Sumtimez I'll watch sum FOX Cable Newz on Youtube to see how they are spinning wutever mess the GoPs are trying to get out uv.
Its not hard to see whoz lying wen they substitute opinion for fact or make claimz that are eazily disproven.
A rite wing frend uv mine often sendz me links to storyz that 'prove' hiz case agenst Obama, Hillary, or whoever and, with no exceptionz, I hav debunked the story within minits with real facts.
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Do you ever watch RT?
Its interesting that they are much slicker than the GoP propaganda outlets. Insted uv being blatantly partisan they seem to prezent mostly true and unbiased stuff. Unlike Fox, RT iz careful to not squander its credibility.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Jo, you've always been a self important twat.
When did you decide to be a douche as well?
All I coud find wuz a Post-It-Note in the BIZ IDEUZ folder in the ZOL filing cabinet. it readz (tranzlated from NQaLF): "Open a personal service salon for women - massages, pussy cleaning, waxing, sauna. Maybe not a money maker, but good way to find hot chicks."
Its from 11-3-2007.
And I found this in the urban dictionary:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=douche
Quote:
Guy 1: "I don't understand how Joey has any friends, he's a total douche."
Guy 2: "I guess girls like that whole asshole attitude."
Thats frum April 15 2011. Coud I be the 'Joey' he iz talking about?
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Quote:Not impressed with your news sources. You have the entire internet at your fingertips, and you listen to such limited sources?
Originally posted by JO753:
I usually watch the NBC evening newz with Lester Holt.... Then therez Meet the Press with Chuck Todd and if I'm getting the signal, This Week with George Stefanopolous on sunday morning.
Quote:Perhaps you missed it when KIKI posted it, but Maddow is a commentator. that's like saying that I get my news from Rush Limbaugh.
Most uv the newz on the TrumPutin scandal I get from Rachel Maddow on MSNBC on their website or Youtube.
Quote:This, from the person who gets their "facts" from a commentator.
Its not hard to see whoz lying wen they substitute opinion for fact or make claimz that are eazily disproven.
Quote:Which you get from commentators like Maddow?
A rite wing frend uv mine often sendz me links to storyz that 'prove' hiz case agenst Obama, Hillary, or whoever and, with no exceptionz, I hav debunked the story within minits with real facts.
Here's the thing, JO: I don't trust your ability to separate out "real facts" from "opinions". It would be a worthwhile discussing your information-winnowing process.
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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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Quote:The entire USA is at Trump's fingertips, yet Trump celebrated Obamacare repeal by lying about what the bill does. Unless he is crazy, he has to know he is lying.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not impressed with your news sources. You have the entire internet at your fingertips, and you listen to such limited sources?
At the Rose Garden victory press conference following the House’s passage of the American Health Care Act, Trump precisely explained Trumpcare.
“I'm telling you, no matter where I went,” he said, “people were suffering so badly with the ravages of Obamacare.” But thanks to AHCA, he promised, people will see relief.
“Your premiums,” he said, “they're going to start to come down.”
Back in the bad old days of the Affordable Care Act, “when it comes to deductibles they were so ridiculous that nobody got to use their current plan.”
But, Trump insisted, help is on the way. “Make no mistake about it,” he said, “make no mistake. I think most importantly, yes, premiums will be coming down. Yes, deductibles will be coming down.”
People who believe Trump claims are in for a rude awakening.
But the AHCA doesn’t do either of those things. After all, how could it? The heart of the bill is a $600 billion tax cut for affluent households and health industry corporations. The bill contains no reforms to the American health care payment or delivery systems. All it does is shift money around, largely by taking it away from subsidizing health coverage for older, sicker, and poorer people and plowing it into tax cuts. It eliminates a 3.8 percent tax that applied to capital gains, dividend, and interest income for families with $250,000 or more in income ($125,000 for singles). It eliminates a 0.9 percent tax on wage income in excess of $250,000 a year ($200,000 for unmarried people).
The problem is that Trump is actually governing and needs to worry about what his policies actually accomplish. Whether AHCA passes the Senate or not, the general trend toward higher premiums and deductibles is going to continue in for the foreseeable future. If AHCA passes, the trend will tend to accelerate rather than slow.
And people will be angry — and rightly so — that the president broke his promises to them. Is Trump nuts for making claims about Trumpcare that are not true?
But maybe Trump is depending on you not remembering in a year what he promised now about Trumpcare? Then he is nuts to have saved his remarks on a website run by the Whitehouse. www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/05/04/remarks-president-trump
-healthcare-vote-house-representatives
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Quote:". . . can't distinguish the difference". That certainly covers what goes on here about 99% of the time. Just to give an example of lying that does not involve Trump, but does involve Trumpcare:
Originally posted by G:
BTW - SIG, as you know (I think), there is a difference between lying commentators and honest ones. Maybe those words are foreign to you? Gods, maybe you can't distinguish the difference?!? That would explain a lot, actually.
Quote:https://qz.com/977779
Idaho congressman Raul Labrador is facing the ire of his constituents over his vote in favor of the Republican health care bill this week. During a Friday morning town hall, Labrador refuted a voter’s claim that losing health insurance is a death sentence. “That line is so indefensible,” Labrador said. “Nobody dies because they don’t have access to health care.”
Research has consistently linked being uninsured to higher mortality rates. One example in Labrador’s district: 36-year-old Idaho Falls resident Jenny Steinke, who died of an asthma attack in 2015 after being unable to treat her condition due to a lack of insurance.
In the USA, there is only a single theoretical penalty for lying, paid only at the next election, and often not even then because the old lies have been forgotten. At fireflyfans.net there is never a next election, never a penalty for lying, and the Republicans here know it and follow lying Labrador's example of accusing their accusers of being liars.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:I agree. And I wouldn't call Maddow a liar, exactly, because she sure believes what she says.
BTW - SIG, as you know (I think), there is a difference between lying commentators and honest ones.
Quote:Yes, it would.
Maybe those words are foreign to you? Gods, maybe you can't distinguish the difference?!? That would explain a lot, actually.- GSTRING
Tell me, GSTRING, what distinction do you make, if any, between honesty and truth?
Quote:YES! We agree on something!
". . . can't distinguish the difference". That certainly covers what goes on here about 99% of the time. - SECOND
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As far as "truth" is concerned, people tend not to think about inconvenient truth. So despite all of the evidence of a "deep state's" existence (brought to you over the years by whistleblowers who've sacrificed for bringing you the signal) and the cabal of an "intelligence community" which operates mostly for its own power, privilege, and money, you pretty much plug your ears and refuse to think about the consequences about the situation and how it distorts our political and policy process.
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Originally posted by JO753:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I don't watch Fox and I don't listen to Rush or any of that bullshit either.
Az you keep insisting. I dont recall you telling us where you get your newz.
Here, a lot of the time. Friends and family. Maybe I stumble upon something when I am looking at something I'm actually interested in online...
The politicians on either side are liars, and the so-called journalists that tow either line are no better. I base my belief of things off of life experiences, the experiences of people I care about, books I've read by actual talented people that can use their brain without some overpaid talking head telling them what to think.
I've been known to change my mind about things. When I look around here, I see that I'm pretty much the only one who does that. I think that's because most of the time you guys only listen to crap that you want to hear and dismiss all the rest as bullshit. I'm of the mind that 90% of the stuff either side says is bullshit already.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not impressed with your news sources. You have the entire internet at your fingertips, and you listen to such limited sources?
1. Didnt say I dont uze the internet.
2. The internet iz not a uniformly reliable sours. The fact that you can find total nonsens even more eazily than the truth makes it a good plase for idiots to lead themselvez into insanity.
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...Maddow is a commentator.
Wut do you think definez that job title?
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...from the person who gets their "facts" from a commentator.
If I get a fact from a wino in the gutter, I'm not automaticly dismissing it, even tho I understand he duznt hav an obvious motive to provide good info.
Serious journalists (commentatotorz, reporterz, newz readerz, etc.) value their credibility above everything else.
Propagandists do not. Their top priority iz to sway public opinion in favor uv their cauze. If stirring in a lie with the facts helps, they do it. The clever wunz uze that az a last rezort kuz they know it risks degrading their credibility.
Wen propagandists know the audiens iz on their side, they tend to let the BS fly free. Witness Fox Cable Newz, Rush Limbaugh, Lew Rockwell, Glen Beck, etc etc etc etc... the jiant rite wing eko chamber that 6string apparently gets 2nd hand frum hiz 'frendz'.
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Originally posted by JO753:
If I get a fact from a wino in the gutter, I'm not automaticly dismissing it, even tho I understand he duznt hav an obvious motive to provide good info.
That sounds like an off handed remark about me. I'll let it slide.
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Serious journalists (commentatotorz, reporterz, newz readerz, etc.) value their credibility above everything else.
LOL... what world are you living in?
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Propagandists do not. Their top priority iz to sway public opinion in favor uv their cauze. If stirring in a lie with the facts helps, they do it. The clever wunz uze that az a last rezort kuz they know it risks degrading their credibility.
Wen propagandists know the audiens iz on their side, they tend to let the BS fly free. Witness Fox Cable Newz, Rush Limbaugh, Lew Rockwell, Glen Beck, etc etc etc etc...
Oh.... silly me. That world. The one where everybody who reports for your "side" is right and virtuous and just and everybody who reports for the other "side" is evil and manipulative. Got it.
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the jiant rite wing eko chamber that 6string apparently gets 2nd hand frum hiz 'frendz'.
Maybe that's why I come to places like this to get differing opinions. I've already said that I'm the only person left of us here that actually changes there minds about anything and that includes you.
I don't know where you get that I'm a Right Wingnut though...
Let's see...
1. I do not deny that we're trashing the planet.
2. I support gay marriage as long as you don't force any church to recognize or perform it if it doesn't want to.
3. I'm for ending the war on drugs and everything that comes along with it... especially emptying our prisons of non-violent offenders who were just providing a service.
4. I'm for abortion even though I do personally believe it's murder. I don't believe the government should have a role in that choice at all.
5. I'm for reducing military spending and withdrawing our troops EVERYWHERE.
6. I'm 100% against the Patriot Act and all of the civil liberties it has helped break or just flat out destroy.
7. I'm very much hoping that alternative energy sources break the financial barrier to where we embrace them over using fossil fuels without the need for government subsidies.... saving our planet as well as cutting ties to our foreign dependencies.
8. I'm in agreement that the minimum will need to be raised if no other measures are taken because inflation has made the minimum wage job all but worthless.
I can go on....
What? Because I can't stand Rachel Maddow and I believe I have a right to own a firearm I suck Limbaugh's dick?
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Quote:Except their paychecks.
Serious journalists (commentatotorz, reporterz, newz readerz, etc.) value their credibility above everything else ....
Do you know who REALLY values credibility???
Whistleblowers.
They sacrifice their paychecks and quite often their freedoms to bring you information that they believe is vital but secret. So, have you thought at all about what Manning, Assange, Snowden, Binney, and the dozens of other whistleblowers are trying to tell you? Or do you nestle comfortably in the armpit of journalists who themselves are nestled cozily in the armpit of advertising-driven corporate media?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Or do you nestle comfortably in the armpit of journalists who themselves are nestled cozily in the armpit of advertising-driven corporate media?
And this...
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You dont need to subscribe to all the rite wingnuttery to be rong about a subject.
Being rich and complaining about welth inequality duznt make sumwun a hypocrit. Warren Buffet complainz about it!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Except their paychecks.
Unless they are idiots, they realize that less credibility = less money.
Usually.
REAL newz outlets tend to fire peepl over mistakes, especially liez. At Fox, their job iz to tell liez and they can pay seriously big buks to make it worth wile for sumwun to join the team.
You may hav notised that Fox occasionally bringz in sum real journalists/newz personalityz in an obvious attempt to add credibility.
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Do you know who REALLY values credibility???
Whistleblowers.
Iznt a reporter having a good day wen he iz blowing the wisl on a scam, the bigger the better? Blowing the wisl iz their career!
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Originally posted by JO753:
You dont need to subscribe to all the rite wingnuttery to be rong about a subject.
Yup. You prove that a lot yourself.
You didn't answer my question though. Where do you get off thinking that I am a Republican? I disagree with just as much of their bullshit as I do the left wing liars and idiots.
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Being rich and complaining about welth inequality duznt make sumwun a hypocrit. Warren Buffet complainz about it!
That's just bi-partisan or maybe non-partisan hypocrisy. It's still hypocrisy.
I don't listen to Warren Buffet either, if you were trying to make a point there.
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Either the Senate can insist on replacing the FBI's Comey with a credible new leader who will continue its Trump/Russia investigation and follow the evidence wherever it leads, or it can tacitly accept Trump’s blatant effort to derail the inquiry.
Trump wrote, “While I greatly appreciate you informing me, on three separate occasions, that I am not under investigation, I nevertheless concur with the judgment of the Department of Justice that you are not able to effectively lead the bureau.” That sentence is likely to be parsed in days to come, and no FBI agent is dumb enough to miss its logic. It’s a formulation in which "effectively" leading the bureau is linked to not investigating Trump.
Those words are the stuff obstruction of justice is made of. Trump announced that he was beginning the search for a new FBI head. The nominee will require Senate confirmation, which is shaping up as a major test for the Senate. Republican senators have been playing along with Trump's diversionary tactics meant to muddy the Russia probe (trying to change the subject to press leaks, for instance). But now the burden is squarely on them to stand up for the integrity of the FBI and the Russia investigation.
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I don't know if they'd want the position, but I'd like to see Trey Gowdy or Jason Chaffetz take it.
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Quote:Why not suggest a Trump son, daughter, or in-law for FBI head? Or Melania?
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I don't know if they'd want the position, but I'd like to see Trey Gowdy or Jason Chaffetz take it.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Why not suggest a Trump son, daughter, or in-law for FBI head? Or Melania?
Because that's stupid.
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Quote:And firing the head of the FBI wasn't stupid? White House insiders were happy to confirm that the Comey firing was all about Russia. This directly contradicts the White House narrative that it was about the fact that everyone had lost confidence in Comey because of the way he mistreated poor Hillary Clinton. Who are these people who work for Trump but are happy to undermine him to the press on a regular basis? Trump needs a loyalist to head the FBI and his family is the only place he can find them, now that Trump told the whole world he did commit a crime that the FBI has not yet gathered enough evidence to convict Trump for. Only a certifiable Trump loyalist/FBI Director could guarantee that the FBI can't collect more evidence against Trump.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Why not suggest a Trump son, daughter, or in-law for FBI head? Or Melania?
Because that's stupid.
www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/comey-firing-trump-russia-238192
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Originally posted by second:
And firing the head of the FBI wasn't stupid?
LOL... funny you should ask. I just ended a post a second ago in the other thread like this....
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Stupid, stupid, stupid thing to do now....
Yeah.... It was a stupid thing to do. At least right now.
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White House insiders were happy to confirm that the Comey firing was all about Russia. This directly contradicts the White House narrative that it was about the fact that everyone had lost confidence in Comey because of the way he mistreated poor Hillary Clinton. Who are these people who work for Trump but are happy to undermine him to the press on a regular basis? Trump needs a loyalist to head the FBI and his family is the only place he can find them, now that Trump told the whole world he did commit a crime that the FBI has not yet gathered enough evidence to convict Trump for. Only a certifiable Trump loyalist/FBI Director could guarantee that the FBI can't collect more evidence against Trump.
Maybe putting a family member in would be the smart thing for Trump to do, especially if he is guilty. It definitely wouldn't look good for him if he did it though, and I think it would even raise a lot of eyebrows of people who voted for Trump.
I thought you were asking why I wasn't asking for that to happen.
I don't know about Gowdy, but a couple of you regular left wingers have applauded efforts made by and things that Jason Chaffetz has said about the whole Trump/Russia thing in the last few weeks. I like the guy, personally. I like both of them. I think they're about as close to "honest" as a politician can get.
I also think it would be a good thing for the American people if one of them were to take the seat. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think either of them would back down in the Trump investigations if there really are ties with Russia, which would please Democrats, and they aren't anything close to progressive either, so it wouldn't be a Republican witch hunt either, which would please Republicans.
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Chaffetts iz a weazel. He clearly desided to get out uv the way uv the big crash and will run for sumthing afterward.
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What is the first word that comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump? (Numbers are not percentages. Figures show the number of times each response was given. This table reports only words that were mentioned at least five times.)
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2456
idiot 39
incompetent 31
liar 30
leader 25
unqualified 25
president 22
strong 21
businessman 18
ignorant 16
egotistical 15
asshole 13
stupid 13
arrogant 12
trying 12
bully 11
business 11
narcissist 11
successful 11
disgusting 10
great 10
clown 9
dishonest 9
racist 9
American 8
bigot 8
good 8
money 8
smart 8
buffoon 7
con-man 7
crazy 7
different 7
disaster 7
rich 7
despicable 6
dictator 6
aggressive 5
blowhard 5
decisive 5
embarrassment 5
evil 5
greedy 5
inexperienced 5
mental 5
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Donald Trump Is In the Early Stages of Dementia
Jonah Goldberg points out the following Trump timeline:
www.nationalreview.com/corner/447538/trump-claims-he-coined-prime-pump
2016: “Well, sometimes you have to prime the pump,” he says. “So sometimes in order to get jobs going and the country going, because, look, we’re at 1% growth.”
Late 2016: "We are also going to lower our business tax rate from 35 percent all the way down to 15 percent. That’s going to be big. Going to prime the pump. Got to prime the pump."
Today: "We have to prime the pump....Have you heard that expression used before? Because I haven’t heard it. I mean, I just...I came up with it a couple of days ago."
This is not good. "What is the right way to interpret Trump’s statement that he coined the phrase 'prime the pump' a few days ago?" asks Goldberg. Unfortunately, I think we all know the answer: Trump is 70 years old and his cognitive skills are deserting him. The evidence for this is becoming scarily abundant.
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Trump has a history of emphatically denying that he has any monetary connection to Russia. In January, he tweeted: “NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!” His lawyers’ new admission of the “few exceptions” indicates this blanket denial was false. The letter written by Sherri Dillon and Willie Nelson, Trump’s tax lawyers at Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, is dated March 8.
According to Dillon and Nelson, those exceptions include Russian fertilizer kingpin Dmitry Rybolovlev purchasing a South Florida mansion for $95 million in 2008; the 2013 Miss Universe contest held in Moscow, which earned $12.2 million in income; and “ordinary course sales of goods or services to Russians.” No documentary evidence was provided to prove that these are Trump’s only sources of income from Russians.
“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Donald Trump Jr. said at a Russian real estate conference in 2008. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” And a sports writer recently reported that Eric Trump, another son of the president, said in 2014 that the family had access to $100 million from Russian banks. “Well, we don’t rely on American banks,” Eric Trump said at the time, according to the writer. “We have all the funding we need out of Russia.” (Eric Trump denied the quote. Like father, like son.)
The incidental “sales of goods or services to Russians” was no small sum. Russians spent nearly $100 million to purchase condos in seven buildings licensing the Trump name in South Florida, according to Reuters. Trump received a commission on all sales in the buildings, likely somewhere between 1 percent and 4 percent. This would mean Trump received between $1 million and $4 million in income from Russian purchasers.
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-lawyers-taxes-russia_us_5915
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Trump thrives on drama, particularly drama he creates.
www.nationalreview.com/article/447567/trump-white-house-leaks-show-pre
sident-dramatic-personality
“They shouldn’t be allowed to use sources unless they use somebody’s name,” Trump thundered in a speech in February. “Let their name be put out there.” A few weeks later, Trump met in the Oval Office with news anchors who attributed his comments to a “senior administration official.” Indeed, the president frequently calls reporters — Americans he describes as “enemies of the people” — on “background,” doling out dollops of “anonymous” information.
Then there is his zigzagging on policies and his failure to provide a consistent philosophical or policy agenda beyond “Make the boss look good.”
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We start the new week off with more Liberal BS and a very high chance of bitching and moaning. Nothing new here, as that's been the weekly forecast ever since the middle of November.
Stay tuned for more baseless accusations by "anonymous sources" that we completely made up, right after a word from our sponsors.
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Quote:On Twitter it is common to see people dismiss any inconvenient leak as “fake news” — the president’s favorite term for any inconvenient or unflattering coverage. What seems lost on his knee-jerk defenders is that these leaks are coming from the president’s own handpicked team.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
We start the new week off with more Liberal BS and a very high chance of bitching and moaning. Nothing new here, as that's been the weekly forecast ever since the middle of November.
Stay tuned for more baseless accusations by "anonymous sources" that we completely made up, right after a word from our sponsors.
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People like you are why he has any defenders Second. It's hard to take anything that might actually be serious seriously because you and the crazy left-wingnuts have bitched and whined and moaned about every meaningless little thing, kicking and screaming and literally burning shit down since November 9th.
It's called pushback. It's called "Chicken Little Overload". You're a rich elitist fool with far too much free time on her hands.
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Quote:Are you worried that Trump is coming unglued? But medical help is possible. I saw a Public Service Announcement:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
People like you are why he has any defenders Second.
It's called pushback. It's called "Chicken Little Overload". You're a rich elitist fool with far too much free time on her hands.
Do you have a friend or relative who's having a lot more "senior moments" than they used to? Your doctor has ways to diagnose what's really going on. She can perform neurological exams, mental status tests, mood assessments, and, in cases where the patient has unusually heavy responsibilities that make it especially important to get a firm diagnosis, brain imaging scans that distinguish between healthy neurons and diseased neurons.
In patients who are showing signs of dementia, brains scans will show a buildup of amyloid plaque that destroys the tau proteins that keep the brain's messaging system running smoothly. The result is disintegrating microtubules and tangled nerve cells.
Don't worry: insurance will cover the cost of these tests if you work for a large employer like the federal government. So keep an eye out for the warning signs:
Isolation from friends, note 1
Irritability and unpredictable fits of temper, note 2
Poor judgment, note 3
Difficulty speaking plainly, note 4
Trouble understanding visual images like maps, note 5
Difficulty planning things, note 6
Memory lapses. note 7
Notes
1 www.cnn.com/2017/05/12/politics/trump-comey-white-house-morale-fallout/
2 http://redux.slate.com/cover-stories/2017/05/trumps-rage-powers-his-ru
thlessness-and-his-ineptitude.html
3 www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/trump-russia-classified-informa
tion-isis.html
4 www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2017/04/25/18971137/the-best-parts-of
-trumps-trainwreck-ap-interview
5 www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/04/28/trump-electoral-maps-reuters-in
terview-newday.cnn
6 www.politico.com/story/2017/05/15/donald-trump-fake-news-238379
7 www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-forgets-to-sign-executive-order-9115643557
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Originally posted by second: Are you worried that Trump is coming unglued?
Nope.
6 months since the election and the SJW parade is finally dying down. Feminist wack-jobs like Anita Sarkeesian and Laci Green went silent after posting their big cry's and videos like "The Trumpocalypse". Anita stopped pretending to be a gamer and changing video games. Laci Green actually recently posted a video reaching out to the "other side". I haven't seen any "Hate White Males" stuff coming out of MTV for a while.
I'm sure they didn't change their minds on anything. There's just no money in it anymore. People are bored of their bullshit. If nothing else, Trump became a bigger target for their hate so they have been forced to turn their noxious and invasive natures elsewhere.
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Remember Bush? Had high approval to the end. At least with Republicans, but not so much with others. Eight years from now there will be a similar graph for Trump. Republicans will support him like they are robots because it is what they do – they can’t help themselves.
www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.a
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
6 months since the election and the SJW parade is finally dying down. Feminist wack-jobs like Anita Sarkeesian and Laci Green went silent after posting their big cry's and videos like "The Trumpocalypse". Anita stopped pretending to be a gamer and changing video games. Laci Green actually recently posted a video reaching out to the "other side". I haven't seen any "Hate White Males" stuff coming out of MTV for a while.
I'm sure they didn't change their minds on anything. There's just no money in it anymore. People are bored of their bullshit. If nothing else, Trump became a bigger target for their hate so they have been forced to turn their noxious and invasive natures elsewhere.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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You're probably right. I used to argue with Republicans all the time on this board and in real life about what a terrible president GWB was.
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Quote:Funny story about Trump's sex life:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You're probably right. I used to argue with Republicans all the time on this board and in real life about what a terrible president GWB was.
In 1997, during one of his routine appearances on the Howard Stern radio show, he bragged that he had avoided sexually transmitted diseases during his single years after his second divorce. “It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there,” Trump said. “It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”
And in 1993, Trump told Stern that American men — like him — who did not serve in the actual war in Vietnam had no reason to feel guilty. The AIDS epidemic that struck in the 1980s made dating a potentially fatal game: “Dating is like being in Vietnam. You’re the equivalent of a soldier going over to Vietnam.”
Using a war that killed 58,000 Americans and an estimated 10 times as many Vietnamese civilians as a metaphor for his sex life was disturbing enough when Trump was a regular civilian. Now that he is commander-in-chief of the armed forces, it becomes all the more so.
https://qz.com/985631
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Your post is apropos to answering the question, is Trump nuts. That answer is, yep. Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Funny story about Trump's sex life:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You're probably right. I used to argue with Republicans all the time on this board and in real life about what a terrible president GWB was.
In 1997, during one of his routine appearances on the Howard Stern radio show, he bragged that he had avoided sexually transmitted diseases during his single years after his second divorce. “It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there,” Trump said. “It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”
And in 1993, Trump told Stern that American men — like him — who did not serve in the actual war in Vietnam had no reason to feel guilty. The AIDS epidemic that struck in the 1980s made dating a potentially fatal game: “Dating is like being in Vietnam. You’re the equivalent of a soldier going over to Vietnam.”
Using a war that killed 58,000 Americans and an estimated 10 times as many Vietnamese civilians as a metaphor for his sex life was disturbing enough when Trump was a regular civilian. Now that he is commander-in-chief of the armed forces, it becomes all the more so.
https://qz.com/985631
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Trump did something even crazier:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Your post is apropos to answering the question, is Trump nuts. That answer is, yep.
Islamaphobe Picked to Write Speech on Islam for Saudi Arabia
Yesterday the White House announced that President Trump will deliver a speech about Islam when he visits Saudi Arabia this weekend. This sounded very, very bad, sort of like the Ayatollah Khamenei dropping by Wittenberg to deliver a speech about Christianity. Still, maybe we're overreacting. After all, it's not as if Trump is going to write the speech himself. It will probably be drafted by regional experts in the State Department who are able to navigate the minefields of—
Wait. What's this?
Trita Parsi @tparsi
Quote:12:21 PM - 17 May 2017
WOW! The man drafting Trump's forthcoming speech on Islam is the same guy who drafted the first #MuslimBan - Stephen Miller! @mehdirhasan
https://twitter.com/tparsi/status/864893770881310720
Stephen Miller? The 31-year-old zealot who started his political career working for Michele Bachmann and Jeff Sessions? The guy who makes Steve Bannon look sort of reasonable?
http://progressive.org/dispatches/stephen-miller-unveiled-new-docs-rev
eal-the-stark-racism-of-/
We are doomed. Trump is crazy to chose Stephen Miller to draft the speech for Saudi Arabia.
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Originally posted by second:
Funny story about Trump's sex life:
In 1997, during one of his routine appearances on the Howard Stern radio show, he bragged that he had avoided sexually transmitted diseases during his single years after his second divorce. “It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there,” Trump said. “It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”
And in 1993, Trump told Stern that American men — like him — who did not serve in the actual war in Vietnam had no reason to feel guilty. The AIDS epidemic that struck in the 1980s made dating a potentially fatal game: “Dating is like being in Vietnam. You’re the equivalent of a soldier going over to Vietnam.”
Using a war that killed 58,000 Americans and an estimated 10 times as many Vietnamese civilians as a metaphor for his sex life was disturbing enough when Trump was a regular civilian. Now that he is commander-in-chief of the armed forces, it becomes all the more so.
https://qz.com/985631
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
You're the loon...
That was Trump. 20 years ago on Howard-fucking-stern. Why don't you pull up some other conversations Stern has had with other people to compare it with. That sounds downright family friendly compared to most of the stuff on that show was.
And he wasn't wrong about STDs either. It's a jungle out there.
I'm pretty sure that this is a picture of you during the Vietnam war Second, so don't be all "holier than thou" about it now...
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Quote:The resurrection of this myth of the spat-upon veteran by the Bush administration during subsequent Gulf War efforts was a way of silencing public dissent.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm pretty sure that this is a picture of you during the Vietnam war Second, so don't be all "holier than thou" about it now...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image
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Donald Trump Said Saudi Arabia Was Behind 9/11. Now He’s Going There on His First Foreign Trip.
As a presidential candidate, he spent much of the election campaign needling, critiquing, denouncing and even threatening the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Yet as president, he is making his first foreign visit this weekend to … the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Trump, to put it mildly, is no stranger to the shameless U-turn. Still, the Trump Turnabout on Saudi Arabia is a true sight to behold.
Twice in a single day, Trump accused Saudi Arabia of being behind the 9/11 attacks. “Who blew up the World Trade Center?” Trump asked his pals at Fox and Friends on the morning of February 17, 2016. “It wasn’t the Iraqis, it was Saudi — take a look at Saudi Arabia, open the documents.”
At a campaign event in South Carolina later that day, he again cited “secret papers” that could prove it was “the Saudis” who were in fact responsible for the attacks on 9/11. “It wasn’t the Iraqis that knocked down the World Trade Center … because they have papers in there that are very secret, you may find it’s the Saudis, okay?”
https://theintercept.com/2017/05/18/donald-trump-said-saudi-arabia-was
-behind-911-now-hes-going-there-on-his-first-foreign-trip/
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Trump is a product of America’s culture of impunity for the rich
The entire culture of civil fines and settlements without admission of wrongdoing that dominates American business regulation is fundamentally odd. If the rules say you can’t keep your casino afloat with an unapproved loan and you respond to that by getting a shady secret unapproved loan to keep your casino afloat, shouldn’t you be out of the casino game? If compliance with money laundering rules is mandatory and you don’t comply, shouldn’t you be shut down?
Any given case obviously presents its nuances, and not every case can be taken to the mattresses. But the settlement racket too easily lets regulators feel like they’re putting points on the board even while criminals continue to roam the streets, having learned the lesson that they’re untouchable. That, fundamentally, is Trump’s problem. Not that he can’t control himself, but that he’s been taught he doesn’t have to.
Trump is typical, rather than unusual, in enjoying this kind of slap-on-the-wrist approach to white-collar crime — just ask the executives whose banks reached big-ticket settlements with the Obama Justice Department all while seeing share prices and compensation packages rise, with nobody’s business ruined and no individuals held legally responsible.
He stands out from the pack, essentially, in how deeply he embraces the ethic of impunity, bragging about it to Billy Bush or screwing over small-time contractors as a routine business practice.
None of this is the action of an impulsive toddler or of a senile old man. It is the calculation of a veteran — and rather cunning — operator who has gotten far in life by relying on money, connections, and lawbreaking to keep him afloat.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/18/15654566/trump-toddler
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The resurrection of this myth of the spat-upon veteran by the Bush administration during subsequent Gulf War efforts was a way of silencing public dissent.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm pretty sure that this is a picture of you during the Vietnam war Second, so don't be all "holier than thou" about it now...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image
I wasn't there. I'll give it 50/50 that it actually happened or didn't, just like I pretty much give everything else.
That is one of the problems of colleges today though, and the twisted ultra SJW libtard mentality and the rise of social media websites where young popular youtubers yell "Fuck Trump" on a daily basis when they aren't setting fires on the streets or college campuses.
If the spitting image is nothing but a hoax, things like these make them more believable today.
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Originally posted by second:
Donald Trump Said Saudi Arabia Was Behind 9/11. Now He’s Going There on His First Foreign Trip.
As a presidential candidate, he spent much of the election campaign needling, critiquing, denouncing and even threatening the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Yet as president, he is making his first foreign visit this weekend to … the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Trump, to put it mildly, is no stranger to the shameless U-turn. Still, the Trump Turnabout on Saudi Arabia is a true sight to behold.
Twice in a single day, Trump accused Saudi Arabia of being behind the 9/11 attacks. “Who blew up the World Trade Center?” Trump asked his pals at Fox and Friends on the morning of February 17, 2016. “It wasn’t the Iraqis, it was Saudi — take a look at Saudi Arabia, open the documents.”
At a campaign event in South Carolina later that day, he again cited “secret papers” that could prove it was “the Saudis” who were in fact responsible for the attacks on 9/11. “It wasn’t the Iraqis that knocked down the World Trade Center … because they have papers in there that are very secret, you may find it’s the Saudis, okay?”
https://theintercept.com/2017/05/18/donald-trump-said-saudi-arabia-was
-behind-911-now-hes-going-there-on-his-first-foreign-trip/
I think any judgement about this should be reserved until we actually know what the trip is about. I think it's safe to say that we won't have pictures of Trump bowing before foreign leaders like Obama did.
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Alan I. Baron, who has served as special counsel to the House in impeachment proceedings of four federal judges said, while Trump maintains his first amendment rights to free speech, most attorneys would strongly advise their clients against speaking about an ongoing case involving them or their associates.
“He would be a difficult client to serve,” Baron said. “If I’m representing somebody, you don’t say anything to anybody without talking to me first. That’s my first rule. If you can’t control yourself, just tell me where to send the flowers.”
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Yep... everybody working for Trump probably would have had him handle the Access Hollywood tape differently too.
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Quote:Trump can't handle adversity. He loses his pose and begins ranting.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Yep... everybody working for Trump probably would have had him handle the Access Hollywood tape differently too.
That is a problem with Trump's personal communication style. One White House source told CNN, "It can be difficult to advise the President effectively given his seemingly short attention span and propensity to be easily distracted. You can't say what not to say, because that will then be one of the first things he'll say."
www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/hr-mcmaster-donald-trump-foreign-trip-
steven-bannon/index.html
What Trump’s Officials Are Saying
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/19/trump-officials-he-looks-mor
e-and-more-like-a-complete-moron
The Daily Beast has talked to a bunch of folks close to Donald Trump, and as usual they can't help themselves:
“Okay, he fired Comey,” the official conceded. “With a semi-competent comms operation, that would blow over in 24 hours. And that’s the worst part: he has a competent comms staff. But they can’t do their jobs because he keeps running his mouth.”
....Trump’s repeated media missteps have frustrated even longtime supporters. “Every day he looks more and more like a complete moron,” said one senior administration official who also worked on Trump’s campaign. “I can’t see Trump resigning or even being impeached, but at this point I wish he’d grow a brain and be the man that he sold himself as on the campaign.”
Asked whether an administration staff change-up would ameliorate this latest crisis, a Republican source formerly involved with a pro-Trump political group told The Daily Beast, “yes, if it comes with a frontal lobotomy for Trump.”
Remember, these are people who are on Team Trump.
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Quote:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/865207118785372160
With all of the illegal acts that took place in the Clinton campaign & Obama Administration, there was never a special counsel appointed!
7:07 AM - 18 May 2017
I am so hoping that Trump sends written orders to his Attorney General and his temporary head of the FBI to open investigations into the crimes of Hillary and Obama. That won't get Trump into any more trouble than sending written orders to the media and the CIA to, say, waterboard confessions from his political enemies.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump can't handle adversity. He loses his pose and begins ranting.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Yep... everybody working for Trump probably would have had him handle the Access Hollywood tape differently too.
That is a problem with Trump's personal communication style. One White House source told CNN, "It can be difficult to advise the President effectively given his seemingly short attention span and propensity to be easily distracted. You can't say what not to say, because that will then be one of the first things he'll say."
www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/hr-mcmaster-donald-trump-foreign-trip-
steven-bannon/index.html
What Trump’s Officials Are Saying
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/19/trump-officials-he-looks-mor
e-and-more-like-a-complete-moron
The Daily Beast has talked to a bunch of folks close to Donald Trump, and as usual they can't help themselves:
“Okay, he fired Comey,” the official conceded. “With a semi-competent comms operation, that would blow over in 24 hours. And that’s the worst part: he has a competent comms staff. But they can’t do their jobs because he keeps running his mouth.”
....Trump’s repeated media missteps have frustrated even longtime supporters. “Every day he looks more and more like a complete moron,” said one senior administration official who also worked on Trump’s campaign. “I can’t see Trump resigning or even being impeached, but at this point I wish he’d grow a brain and be the man that he sold himself as on the campaign.”
Asked whether an administration staff change-up would ameliorate this latest crisis, a Republican source formerly involved with a pro-Trump political group told The Daily Beast, “yes, if it comes with a frontal lobotomy for Trump.”
Remember, these are people who are on Team Trump.
I'm personally loving all of this. The big shots in politics on both sides are pissing their pants right now because they don't know what to think or even if they'll have a job tomorrow.
It's nice seeing them get a taste of what most of us have at least had to go through once in our lives when the company we worked for was going out of business or jobs were being slashed and sent overseas.
I don't think there really is a "Team Trump".
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Quote:I believe that the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller is actually great news for Trump in the short and medium term. If he plays it right, he can do what Bill Clinton did, which is to say, ‘I want to talk about the investigation, but we have to wait and see what the investigators come up with.’ That would give Trump some breathing room.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm personally loving all of this. The big shots in politics on both sides are pissing their pants right now because they don't know what to think or even if they'll have a job tomorrow.
It's nice seeing them get a taste of what most of us have at least had to go through once in our lives when the company we worked for was going out of business or jobs were being slashed and sent overseas.
I don't think there really is a "Team Trump".
The problem, of course, is that Trump is going to be Trump. He will probably fire Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed Mueller, which will pour more gasoline on the fire that is burning Trump at the stake. He is already tweeted about being burned at the stake in a witch hunt.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump doesn't actually feel any fire. He's writing that for the pro-Trump nuts that read all of his tweets and take them at face value. He's probably writing that for all of the Anti-Trump nuts that read all of his tweets and take them at face value too.
He's the "Howard Stern" of the Presidency. Whether you love him or hate him, everybody is paying attention.
Just remember that the insanity of the Left over the last 8 years and the option of Hillary as the other candidate is what got him elected. It's kind of a "you asked for it, you got it" scenario.
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