Is Trump Nuts?

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SECOND

Sunday, May 21, 2017 4:49 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Trump doesn't actually feel any fire. He's writing that for the pro-Trump nuts that read all of his tweets and take them at face value. He's probably writing that for all of the Anti-Trump nuts that read all of his tweets and take them at face value too.

You are joking. He is not that clever. For an example of him saying and tweeting one thing, over and over, then doing the opposite without thinking: Trump had a very clear position on NAFTA -- he would withdraw from the treaty. Now his position is foggy and confused. He had a position. He knew what he would do, then he let it all fall apart. His position became chaos on NAFTA. How close did Trump came to leaving NAFTA?
www.pri.org/stories/2017-05-12/economist-reporter-dishes-trumps-primin
g-pump-interview

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People inside the White House also called the new Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue. Perdue had only been confirmed, like, a day or two earlier. And they called him in, [saying], “You need to come over here now! You need to! He’s about to withdraw from NAFTA.”

So Sonny Perdue literally asked his staff to draw up a map of the bits of America that had voted for Donald Trump and the bits of America that do well from exporting grain and corn through NAFTA. [The map] showed how these two areas often overlap. So he went in, said to Donald Trump, “Actually, Trump America, your voters, they do pretty well out of NAFTA.” And the president said, “Oh. Then maybe I won’t withdraw from NAFTA.”

Trump blamed NAFTA for the loss of 5 million manufacturing jobs to Canada and Mexico since it was enacted in 1994. If Trump is right, how can he justify NOT withdrawing from NAFTA, as promised? That is 5 million manufacturing jobs Trump threw away for the benefit of 1 million farmers receiving slightly higher incomes by exporting slightly more grain and corn. Does what Trump is doing seem right to you? Or is Trump nuts?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 21, 2017 5:06 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You are joking. He is not that clever. For an example of him saying and tweeting one thing, over and over, then doing the opposite without thinking: Trump had a very clear position on NAFTA -- he would withdraw from the treaty. Now his position is foggy and confused. He had a position. He knew what he would do, then he let it all fall apart. His position became chaos on NAFTA. How close did Trump came to leaving NAFTA?
www.pri.org/stories/2017-05-12/economist-reporter-dishes-trumps-primin
g-pump-interview

So your example is a President renigging on a campaign promise. Just like every... single... president... ever.

You all thought GWB was stupid too, and look where that got us.

You should probably focus on things like this, instead of keeping up with the Russian narrative. It might be too late though. With 150 days of bitching and whining about ghosts and phantoms, you're solidifying Trumps base so much that they're just about willing to overlook any of his actual sins.

Yeah, he's dumb like a fox.

SECOND

Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You are joking. He is not that clever. For an example of him saying and tweeting one thing, over and over, then doing the opposite without thinking: Trump had a very clear position on NAFTA -- he would withdraw from the treaty. Now his position is foggy and confused. He had a position. He knew what he would do, then he let it all fall apart. His position became chaos on NAFTA. How close did Trump came to leaving NAFTA?
www.pri.org/stories/2017-05-12/economist-reporter-dishes-trumps-primin
g-pump-interview

So your example is a President renigging on a campaign promise. Just like every... single... president... ever.

You all thought GWB was stupid too, and look where that got us.

You should probably focus on things like this, instead of keeping up with the Russian narrative. It might be too late though. With 150 days of bitching and whining about ghosts and phantoms, you're solidifying Trumps base so much that they're just about willing to overlook any of his actual sins.

Yeah, he's dumb like a fox.

Did not Trump's base want Trump to withdraw from NAFTA? Did not Trump's base believe that 5 million manufacturing jobs were lost because of NAFTA? So has Trump's base changed their minds about NAFTA just because 1 million farmers will sell a little less corn to Mexico if NAFTA is cancelled? Will Trump's base happily sacrifice the lives 5 million factory workers because Trump changed his mind for no reason other than Trump's agricultural secretary said that keeping NAFTA will keep 1 million farmers voting for Trump? I'd say Trump's base is pretty much off-base on NAFTA. It is like Trump's base is as confused about what they believe about NAFTA as Trump is.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:18 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Did not Trump's base want Trump to withdraw from NAFTA? Did not Trump's base believe that 5 million manufacturing jobs were lost because of NAFTA? So has Trump's base changed their minds about NAFTA just because 1 million farmers will sell a little less corn to Mexico if NAFTA is cancelled? Will Trump's base happily sacrifice the lives 5 million factory workers because Trump changed his mind for no reason other than Trump's agricultural secretary said that keeping NAFTA will keep 1 million farmers voting for Trump? I'd say Trump's base is pretty much off-base on NAFTA. It is like Trump's base is as confused about what they believe about NAFTA as Trump is.

Let me put it this way, Second.....

I don't watch FOX news, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there isn't a whole lot of coverage of anything about NAFTA on there right now.

Figure the rest out.

SECOND

Sunday, May 21, 2017 10:08 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Let me put it this way, Second.....

I don't watch FOX news, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there isn't a whole lot of coverage of anything about NAFTA on there right now.

Figure the rest out.

I watch Fox and it is not covering NAFTA because it doesn’t want to remind voters that Trump was to bring back millions of manufacturing jobs by withdrawing from foreign trade treaties, especially NAFTA, and it would all be free of cost to the voters. It was a tremendous bargain for the voters! This was what Trump voters once believed Trump would do for them, but now have forgotten the bargain because Fox isn’t reminding them daily. In a contest, the Fox commentator always wins against the economic knowledge of the typical Trump voter. That is why the commentator is paid millions per year by Fox while the Trump voter earns only thousands per year. There is really no contest about who is smarter and who deserves more pay.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, May 21, 2017 11:56 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Let me put it this way, Second.....

I don't watch FOX news, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there isn't a whole lot of coverage of anything about NAFTA on there right now.

Figure the rest out.
I watch Fox and it is not covering NAFTA because it doesn’t want to remind voters that Trump was to bring back millions of manufacturing jobs by withdrawing from foreign trade treaties, especially NAFTA, and it would all be free of cost to the voters. It was a tremendous bargain for the voters! This was what Trump voters once believed Trump would do for them, but now have forgotten the bargain because Fox isn’t reminding them daily. In a contest, the Fox commentator always wins against the economic knowledge of the typical Trump voter. That is why the commentator is paid millions per year by Fox while the Trump voter earns only thousands per year. There is really no contest about who is smarter and who deserves more pay.

Well you've figured half of it out.

Why is Fox News able to get away with not talking about NAFTA though? Why is it so easy for Trump supporters to forget about things like NAFTA and promises about it?

Could it be that the rest of the MSM is obsessed with something else?

1KIKI

Monday, May 22, 2017 1:17 AM (P)

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Is Trump Nuts?

Much to the disappointment of the deep state - which is now, in response, vigorously pursuing a soft coup - Trump has not started WWIII yet.

He's certainly far more sane than the embedded war-hawks.

And all is right with the world.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

JO753

Monday, May 22, 2017 1:30 AM (P)

Bill reiterating how far into krazyville thingz hav gotten:

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

1KIKI

Monday, May 22, 2017 1:49 AM (P)

I hope you realize that there's ZERO evidence for anything he said. Except for Trump meting with high level Russians. But I guess Trump should be throwing a tantrum with the only other major nuclear power on the planet instead of meeting with them. Because THAT'S REALLY helpful.

BTW, Maher is a Zionist, who holds the welfare of Israel above that of the US. I wonder what slight, or imagined slight, against Israel Maher is reacting to. Maybe it's that Trump went to Saudi Arabia first, before paying homage to Israel.

MEANWHILE, Trump has not started WWIII yet. And all is right with the world.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

JO753

Monday, May 22, 2017 7:17 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I hope you realize that there's ZERO evidence for anything he said.

Incorrect. Therez a rapidly growing mountain.

Its the GoP propaganda machine that keeps pushing 'no evidens' and chowderhedz like you who want to beleev it.

Its like watching a stubborn blind man walking around without a cane. You keep warning him, but he yellz that you dont no wut youre tokking about. You cant help watching him wander into the street and get hit by a truck and then say 'I told you so' at the funeral.

The problem iz that us nonblind Americanz are handcuffed to you idiots.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

1KIKI

Monday, May 22, 2017 7:45 AM (P)

"Therez a rapidly growing mountain."

Of CLAIMS. Comey said this. Trump said not. The CIA said this. But provided no evidence.

You, apparently, don't know the meaning of the word EVIDENCE. It means something other than someone's say-so ... especially someone's anonymous say-so, made without any indication that they're in any position to know anything at all.

Let's go through some of those CLAIMS.

The FBI concluded that Russia 'hacked the elections', based on the CLAIM that Russia hacked Hillary's server AND that the information was distributed with Russia's help.

Where did the CLAIM that Russia hacked Hillary's server come from? It came from CrowdStrike. The FBI was never provided with actual evidence by CrowdStrike, NOR WAS IT ALLOWED TO EXAMINE THE SERVER. The CLAIM came from a biased private party and was unsupported by any actual evidence.

The FBI also CLAIMED that Russia distributed the information with Russia's help, but again provided no EVIDENCE to back up that CLAIM. And the people who received the information - wikileaks - received it handed to them in person, by a person known to them who was part of the campaign. So not only does the FBI have no EVIDENCE, its CLAIM was directly contradicted by people with first-hand knowledge.

Golden showers - have you seen any EVIDENCE for that? Neither have I.

Trump shared 'classified' information? That was according to anonymous sources. Were they there? How do they know? Who are they? And for those who actually WERE at the meeting - "White House officials involved in the meeting said Trump discussed only shared concerns about terrorism." Once again we have CLAIMS made by anonymous sources, without EVIDENCE - or even a plausible story - directly contradicted by people who were there who have first-hand knowledge.

Now I know I haven't covered absolutely every ridiculous story weak-mined people believe, but enough to highlight how truly stupid they are.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/fbi-russia-hacking-dnc-crowdstr
ike/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-
WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sites/undefined/undefined/undefi
ned/undefined/undefined/?q=cache:UehV1PHwu5UJ:www.forbes.com%2 Fsites%2Fpaulroderickgregory%2F2017 %2F01%2F13%2Fthe-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why%2F%20&cd=6&hl=en&ct= clnk&gl=us#3dd4d9d52834
(link to info that requires no subscription, broken to fit page)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-
highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.a512efd8b7a9

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, May 22, 2017 8:27 AM (P)

lol... because for years now, the non-blind among us have gotten the truth from great men like Bill Mahar and Rachel Maddow. lol

SECOND

Monday, May 22, 2017 9:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

You, apparently, don't know the meaning of the word EVIDENCE. It means something other than someone's say-so ... especially someone's anonymous say-so, made without any indication that they're in any position to know anything at all.

Let's go through some of those CLAIMS.

Let's not. 1kiki is no different (other than never being invited onto TV) than Newt Gingrich, who was on Fox and Friends with an opinion that Special Counsel Robert Mueller should stop investigating Trump and instead investigate Hillary for murdering Seth Rich. Newt's opinions, facts and advise about Russia/Trump are worthless, as are 1kiki's. Both of you are nutty partisans. Only Mueller's opinion will be of importance in the world. We will eventually find out what is on Mueller's mind if Trump does not fire Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein too soon for Mueller to form an opinion.

This is what Newt was selling as he diverts attention away from Trump:

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“We have this very strange story now of this young man who worked for the Democratic National Committee, who apparently was assassinated at 4 in the morning, having given WikiLeaks something like 53,000 emails and 17,000 attachments,” Gingrich said.

“Nobody’s investigating that, and what does that tell you about what’s going on? Because it turns out, it wasn’t the Russians. It was this young guy who, I suspect, was disgusted by the corruption of the Democratic National Committee. He’s been killed, and apparently nothing serious has been done to investigative his murder. So I’d like to see how [Robert S.] Mueller [III] is going to define what his assignment is.”

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/05/newt-gingrich-swan-dives-fever-
swamps

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Monday, May 22, 2017 9:38 AM (P)

I guess you don't like the sources of my info - WaPo, Forbes, CNN, Daily Mail - and what they have to say. Or not.

And since you can't address actual facts, as usual, you turn personal and deflect.

Same old SECOND RATE.

Putting you on 'ignore' - again.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

JO753

Monday, May 22, 2017 12:10 PM (P)

I coud spend an entire day asking Hannity or O'Rielly or any other Trump supporter to explain every individual Russian connection fact and they'd still be spouting 'zero evidens'.

To connect the dots, you first haf to get them to admit that the paje iz not blank.

Wen the entire Trump gang iz in the slammer, there will be a flood uv conspirasy theory books about how Hillary & Bill conived to put them there.

HEY! I shoud start riting wun now! It'll be a best seller if I can get it published first!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

OONJERAH

Monday, May 22, 2017 3:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
HEY! I shoud start riting wun now! It'll be a best seller if I can get it published first!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

That's if you don't write it in nu-alf.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

SECOND

Monday, May 22, 2017 5:22 PM (P)

1kiki, the URLs disappeared from your response. When you relist them, use www.bitly.com to shorten them. For example, your Forbes opinion piece becomes http://bit.ly/2qGUSph

I ought to mention that Special Counsel Robert Mueller may read your references and opinion pieces, but his legal opinion about Russia/Trump might not match your opinion. Only his opinion has any real weight in the world, except if Trump fires him before he forms that opinion since Trump is known to be rash and unthinking.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I guess you don't like the sources of my info - WaPo, Forbes, CNN, Daily Mail - and what they have to say. Or not.

And since you can't address actual facts, as usual, you turn personal and deflect.

Same old SECOND RATE.

Putting you on 'ignore' - again.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, May 22, 2017 6:35 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
HEY! I shoud start riting wun now! It'll be a best seller if I can get it published first!

That's if you don't write it in nu-alf.

lol

SECOND

Monday, May 22, 2017 8:43 PM (P)

http://projects.newsday.com/cartoons/opinion/matt-davies-political-car
toons/#!/item/2682/witch-hunt

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Monday, May 22, 2017 11:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I hope you realize that there's ZERO evidence for anything he said.

Incorrect. Therez a rapidly growing mountain.

Its the GoP propaganda machine that keeps pushing 'no evidens' and chowderhedz like you who want to beleev it.

Its like watching a stubborn blind man walking around without a cane. You keep warning him, but he yellz that you dont no wut youre tokking about. You cant help watching him wander into the street and get hit by a truck and then say 'I told you so' at the funeral.

The problem iz that us nonblind Americanz are handcuffed to you idiots.

1kiki's a liar and a troll. The proof of this always finds a way to establish itself. In this case, it's in her denials that there is evidence of Trumps acting improperly. In her denials of Russia interfering in our elections.

It may come out soon that Trump introduced Flynn to the Russians in the first place. If so, I'm sure he and his family will feel a pressure unmatched by the pressure they feel today.

THGRRI

Monday, May 22, 2017 11:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

SIGNYM

Monday, May 22, 2017 11:32 PM (P)

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~~1kiki's~~ THUGR'S a liar and a troll. The proof of this always finds a way to establish itself. In this case, it's in ~~her~~ it's denials that there is evidence of ~~Trumps~~ the security state acting improperly. In ~~her~~ it's denials of ~~Russia interfering in our elections~~ the deep state interfering with our elected President

Fixed it for you.

Now go cry how I "misquoted" you and make a bigger ass of yourself

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

SIGNYM

Monday, May 22, 2017 11:35 PM (P)

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I coud spend an entire day asking Hannity or O'Rielly or any other Trump supporter to explain every individual Russian connection fact and they'd still be spouting 'zero evidens'.

That's a great idea, JO! I think you should start right now. Don't forget to include the evidence!

Put up, or shut up.

Somehow, I doubt you'll do either.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

SIGNYM

Monday, May 22, 2017 11:44 PM (P)

Here, BTW, another instance of JO in his infinite fatuousness and self-importance, refusing to back up any of his so-called "information"

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There are only a few people Trump needs to please: two are the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority leader. - SECOND

He only needz to pleez Putin. If you take that perspectiv, everything he duz makes sens. Anything that makes the GoPs happy iz only insidental to serving Putin. - JO000

JO, does Putin have "the" vote that guarantees impeachment?
No?
Is Putin on the NYT/ WaPo/ CNN/ MSNBC editorial Board?
No?
Does he have moles in the FBI?
No?
So tell me, HOW does Putin manage to save Trump's ass?
I'm not being sarcastic, I expect a serious and thoughtful answer. One which I'm afraid you will refuse to provide.- SIGNY

JO, unless you make a SERIOUS effort to reform yourself, that turd of a campaign that you keep polishing is doomed to failure. Because if you were the last man on earth, I'd write Mickey Mouse onto the ballot.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

JO753

Monday, May 22, 2017 11:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Put up, or shut up.

For clarity, I'll start a new topic.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:01 AM (P)

Quote:
Put up, or shut up.- SIGNY

For clarity, I'll start a new topic. _JO

Excellent! I look forward to it.

Now, also for clarity, will you be attempting to show that the Trump campaign had "contacts" with Russia?

That Russia "hacked" our elections?

Or that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?

Or is colluding with Russia now?

Or will you be simply showing that the Trump administration had 'contacts' with Russia? (which BTW I would expect to occur as part of a normal Presidency.)

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

SECOND

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:50 AM (P)

Trump is so crazy he handed the smoking gun to Lester Holt on TV
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/22/15655296/impeach-trump

Watergate is the template Trump was following without even realizing what he had done.

Watergate began with clear evidence of what was clearly a crime — the break-in at Democratic National Committee headquarters — which then led to an investigation of who was involved, which led, eventually, to the discovery of a secret taping system inside the Oval Office. The quest to get the contents of the tape revealed to the public then became its own drama.

But when the tapes were finally heard they contained a “smoking gun” — clear evidence that Nixon had tried to use the powers of his office to stymie an FBI investigation. In the crucial conversation, Nixon told his chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman, to call in the CIA and tell them, “The president believes that [the investigation] is going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again. And, ah, because these people are plugging for, for keeps, and that they should call the FBI in and say that we wish for the country, don’t go any further into this case, period!”

There it was. The question had been whether Nixon himself was engaged in the Watergate cover-up. That tape proved he was. And that was it. The Watergate saga took a long time, but two days after the tape was released, Republican congressional leaders went to the White House to tell Nixon it was over. Two days after that, Nixon resigned.

In Trump’s case, there’s no need for extensive litigation over a secret tape because the smoking gun already aired in the form of an interview with NBC News’s Lester Holt, where Trump explained his reasons for firing Comey. Though his White House had said Comey was fired after Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein wrote a memo concluding Comey’s handling of the Clinton email case was indefensible, Trump, in a moment of admirable candor, explained that this wasn’t true.

“In fact when I decided to just do it, I said to myself,” Trump told Holt, “‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.”

A contemporaneous memo from Comey further confirms that Trump specifically asked him to stop investigating former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. Rosenstein confirmed Thursday to members of the United States Senate that Trump had already made up his mind to fire Comey before Rosenstein wrote the memo that the White House later briefly claimed was the basis for Comey’s firing. Here, then, is the timeline, which is now publicly known, and widely accepted:

In February, President Trump met with FBI Director James Comey and asked Comey to drop investigations of Michael Flynn and tell the public that Trump’s ties to Russia were not under investigation. Trump also repeatedly denounced the whole idea of an investigation in public statements and tweets.
In March, Comey clarified to Congress and the public that a very real, very serious, ongoing investigation was underway.
In April, Trump fired Comey. He put out an implausible pretext for the firing, and then quickly got bored with the thin deception and explained on national television that he really fired Comey because he was frustrated about the Russia situation.

That’s the entirety of the case. Trump was meddling with an FBI investigation, he fired the FBI director when he wouldn’t go along with it, then he lied about why he’d fired the FBI director, and then later he confessed the truth. That the facts have emerged so quickly is disorienting, but it shouldn’t blind us to the basic reality that the whole saga has played out. And in terms of Trump’s basic unfitness to continue in office, there is little need for further investigation.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Put up, or shut up.- SIGNY

For clarity, I'll start a new topic. _JO
Excellent! I look forward to it.

Now, also for clarity, will you be attempting to show that the Trump campaign ha

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:45 AM (P)

Meh, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. The situation with Nixon was far different - not only had a demonstrable crime been committed (as opposed to the current situation where it's even hard to get a bead on what, or who, is supposedly being investigated) Nixon did so much more.

Let me outline for you what Nixon's staff - and Nixon himself - had done:

The Committee to Re-elect the President (CRP) had funded the Watergate burglars. The people involved in handling the CRP slush fund included Jeb Magruder and Maurice Stans (CRP members), and John Mitchell (while serving as Attorney General). Those involved in the cover-up were top aides Haldeman and Ehrlichman, and White House Counsel John Dean, who Nixon fired in attempt to deflect blame. Attorney General Kleindienst resigned. Nixon himself was involved in the cover-up

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It's impossible to list all the varied ways the White House attempted to impair investigations from the grand jury, from the special Senate committee eventually formed to deal with the scandal, and from the independent counsel appointed to investigate the affair. But here are a few:

* Within days of the break-in, Nixon decided to ask the CIA to disrupt the FBI's investigation of the incident, on the grounds that it concerned matters of national security; the CIA, however, resisted the order.

* Throughout the FBI's early investigation, White House counsel Dean sat in on interviews with witnesses and got regular updates from Gray.

* The White House paid hush money to co-conspirators, including $75,000 to Hunt personally; Nixon was caught on tape discussing the arrangements with Dean.

* Nixon tried, to no avail, to have aides manufacture dictatape evidence to give to Judge Sirica.

* Nixon implied to Ehrlichman that they should prevent Dean from continuing to cooperate with investigators by offering him clemency in exchange for keeping his mouth shut.

* Ehrlichman ordered Colson to offer clemency to Hunt in exchange for silence.

SECOND, this is not Watergate! This is more like the incessant investigation into Bill Clinton's sex life. I'm as fed up with your current obsessive behavior as I was with the GOP's endless, pointless investigations into irrelevant events. Please stop trying to force your big fat theory onto the tiny set of facts.

The investigation is STILL underway, although at this point I sure would like to know what, exactly, in being investigated because the goal seems to be wandering all over the place.

But I think it's nice of you to try and save JO from having to follow thru on his promise.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

THGRRI

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:58 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
~~1kiki's~~ THUGR'S a liar and a troll. The proof of this always finds a way to establish itself. In this case, it's in ~~her~~ it's denials that there is evidence of ~~Trumps~~ the security state acting improperly. In ~~her~~ it's denials of ~~Russia interfering in our elections~~ the deep state interfering with our elected President
Fixed it for you.

Now go cry how I "misquoted" you and make a bigger ass of yourself

You did misquote me. You do it all the time. Just as you misquote others here and reported news stories. It's what you do as a troll. Any time facts are posted you have to challenge them.

Quoting others is supposed to represent exactly what someone else said. Just as it's said there is no honor among thieves, there is none amongst trolls comrade.

And your defense of Trump is funny · comical · humorous · droll · jocular · hilarious · amusing · diverting · entertaining · jokey · wacky · waggish · side-splitting · rib-tickling .

OONJERAH

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:05 AM (P)

Is Trump Nuts?

L'infant Terrible: "an incorrigible child, as one whose behavior
is embarrassing."

Doesn't say whether the "child" is aware of & could correct
his behavior. If he is, in fact, an adult in years, then No;
he probably can't correct himself.

The much more mind boggling thing is: all the claim-to-be-rational
adults who support his act.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

SECOND

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:14 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Meh, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

I've got another mountain for you to make a molehill out of -- if Trump ordering his staff to lie is a molehill:

Most presidents would worry that if you order the staff of the Council of Economic Advisers to make up fake numbers, they will leak that to the Wall Street Journal.

But perhaps the biggest part is that normally presidents are trying, on some level, to work with Congress to get things done. Congress needs to use Congressional Budget Office numbers when legislating, so a fake White House forecast doesn’t help a president’s allies on the Hill. In effect, Trump is simply tossing congressional Republicans a hot potato — telling them that he is disavowing responsibility for any of the trade-offs inherent in governing, and that the responsibility is all on them to work things out.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/23/15674512/trump-budget-econom
ic-growth

I suspect the as-yet-unidentified crime that Trump did not want investigated by Comey is about numbers. Not the fake numbers Trump ordered to be used on his economic forecast to justify his budget, but he is worried about the fake numbers on his income tax returns. He is certainly acting squirrelly about releasing those documents, isn't he?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The investigation is STILL underway, although at this point I sure would like to know what, exactly, in being investigated because the goal seems to be wandering all over the place.

The special council needs to look at the tax returns for Trump's family of companies. That would be more damning than taking depositions about what Trump said in private to who. Trump will deny everything said, anyway, but he can't deny that those are his tax returns and that if he lied on them, his lies saved him from paying billions in taxes. There is a big difference between being audited by an accountant at the IRS and being tax audited by 50 agents of the FBI.

If Trump would order his White House staff to lie on the federal budget numbers, he would lie on his tax returns, since that is more beneficial to his net worth.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
He is certainly acting squirrelly about releasing those documents, isn't he?

Once again you show your ignorance on the subject of tax returns.

The IRS already knows what is in them. If there was anything illegal in them, we'd already know about it because Trump would be in handcuffs.

Don't believe me? Ask Al Capone if he gave the IRS permission.

I assume he isn't releasing them to the public because he doesn't want to inadvertently give morons like Rachel Maddow a $20Million check when she spends the next 3 years breaking it down for the sheep.

SECOND

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
He is certainly acting squirrelly about releasing those documents, isn't he?

Once again you show your ignorance on the subject of tax returns.

The IRS already knows what is in them. If there was anything illegal in them, we'd already know about it because Trump would be in handcuffs.

Don't believe me? Ask Al Capone if he gave the IRS permission.

The FBI compared Al Capone's known expenditures to his claimed income. The IRS could not do what the FBI could. The IRS did not have field agents making estimates of how much Capone spent on booze, hotels, and parties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone#Trials

As an example of how to cheat on taxes without being caught by the IRS, if Trump borrowed Russian money for a golf course, then they "forgave" part of the loan because the restaurant income and golf club fees collected weren't enough to service the loan, the amount "forgiven" by the Russians would be reportable income on Trump's taxes. But what if Trump did not report it? The IRS would never know because it is strictly hush-hush between Trump and his Russians. It is no-longer hush-hush when FBI agents with search warrants visit Trump's accountants to see who was paid and when they were paid.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:32 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
But what if Trump did not report it? The IRS would never know because it is strictly hush-hush between Trump and his Russians. It is no-longer hush-hush when FBI agents with search warrants visit Trump's accountants to see who was paid and when they were paid.

You're really dealing in a lot of theoreticals here.

Why would trumps accountants know about anything that wasn't reported in his taxes? It's not as if H&R Block would be able to tell the IRS how many unclaimed tips a waitress got over the year.

Why would somebody running for President expose himself like this and leave a bunch of loose ends lying all around?

Why would the GOP have allowed Trump to be their guy in the first place if there was even any real suspicion that he had been a tax cheat, since that would be so easily provable? Seeing as how almost the entire GOP was against Trump the whole way too, why didn't they chase this phantom themselves?

As for the FBI being able to do what the IRS is not able to do, that was still done against Al Capone without his permission and even his knowledge. If the IRS suspects that his tax returns are bogus, there's nothing stopping them from having the FBI investigate it. For all we know they already are.

SECOND

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:36 PM (P)

I don't know what tax scams Trump has run, but just from looking at his fake numbers in his federal budget, he is the kind of character who would cheat the IRS. That ain't theoretical. I ought to give some numbers:

In the United States, the IRS estimate of the 2001 tax gap was $345 billion. For 2006, the tax gap is estimated to be $450 billion. A more recent study estimates the 2008 tax gap in the range of $450 to $500 billion, and unreported income to be approximately $2 trillion.

Tax evasion in the United States - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
But what if Trump did not report it? The IRS would never know because it is strictly hush-hush between Trump and his Russians. It is no-longer hush-hush when FBI agents with search warrants visit Trump's accountants to see who was paid and when they were paid.

You're really dealing in a lot of theoreticals here.

Why would trumps accountants know about anything that wasn't reported in his taxes? It's not as if H&R Block would be able to tell the IRS how many unclaimed tips a waitress got over the year.

Why would somebody running for President expose himself like this and leave a bunch of loose ends lying all around?

Why would the GOP have allowed Trump to be their guy in the first place if there was even any real suspicion that he had been a tax cheat, since that would be so easily provable? Seeing as how almost the entire GOP was against Trump the whole way too, why didn't they chase this phantom themselves?

As for the FBI being able to do what the IRS is not able to do, that was still done against Al Capone without his permission and even his knowledge. If the IRS suspects that his tax returns are bogus, there's nothing stopping them from having the FBI investigate it. For all we know they already are.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

OONJERAH

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:02 PM (P)

"Trump will Figure Out a Way to Resign." Art of the Deal Ghostwriter
Tony Schwartz says on YouTube.

I can believe that Trump is vacant, hollow, desperate, adrift.
Not at all self-directed mature rational.

Yeah ... he's nuts.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

SECOND

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:59 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

"Trump will Figure Out a Way to Resign." Art of the Deal Ghostwriter
Tony Schwartz says on YouTube.

I can believe that Trump is vacant, hollow, desperate, adrift.
Not at all self-directed mature rational.

Yeah ... he's nuts.

Even when Trump is trying to be adult, he is not authentically trying. On his budget, Trump isn’t even remotely in the neighborhood of a blueprint that Congress could use if they were so inclined. He’s taken the vast technical and analytical resources of the executive branch and effectively thrown them all in the trash can.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/23/15680110/trump-budget-accoun
ting-error

The underlying issue here is the slapdash process through which his tax plan was released. Trump’s economic team was busy working on the difficult problem of designing a revenue-neutral tax plan when someone showed Trump a New York Times op-ed by Steve Forbes, Larry Kudlow, Arthur Laffer, and Stephen Moore.

Trump summoned staff to talk about the op-ed. His message: Make this the tax plan.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:11 PM (P)

SIG likes to post old posts of her criticizing Trump. She is attempting to show us she weighted each candidates qualities fairly and objectively. She does this because she thinks we are stupid. That we are incapable of navigating through here subjective and agenda driven trolling. That we are blind and incapable of understanding what she was up to at the time. Below is a link started by her designed to destroy one candidate while she only criticized the other. One need not look further than the first two posts to see how fair and objective she was going to be towards Hillary, and how I would respond to her going forward.

Being a Russian troll she would of course push for Trump, while leavening herself room to attack Trump if he should buck up against Russia. After all, the winner would be the next American president.

Because Trump won she finds herself in a unique situation. One where she needs to criticize Trump, while deflecting from why he should be removed from office.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60433&p=1

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I don't know what tax scams Trump has run, but just from looking at his fake numbers in his federal budget, he is the kind of character who would cheat the IRS. That ain't theoretical.

No. But it's besides the point.

He's only "hiding" his returns from the MSM and the American people. Agencies within the Government already know what are in them, and if they suspect anything nefarious it is within their purview to have it investigated. That's how tax returns work. Nobody is above that law.

I don't know why Trump doesn't release them to the public though. You know what a troll he is. He's probably enjoying the media attention and maybe he's saying to himself if Obama didn't have to share his birth certificate, I'm not going to share my taxes. Neener Neener.

SECOND

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:13 AM (P)

How you could get to adulthood and not know that tens of millions of Americans successfully cheat on trillions of dollars in taxes? They never will be forced to pay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States

Income tax collection is an honor system for the income that does NOT appear on W-2 forms sent in by employers and 1099 forms sent by banks to the IRS. NONE of Trump's income is on a W-2 or a 1099. (Well, maybe 1099s that he fills out himself to himself, deciding whatever he wants his income to be on paper.)

The IRS is depending upon Americans' basic honesty. They depend on Trump's basic honesty. If he cheated intelligently, he can get away with it, despite IRS audits, until the FBI checks his returns. There a reason why he established hundreds of corporations: the extreme complexity frustrates an IRS auditor so Trump could heroically cheat like the champion he is. I truly admire his rational dedication to the Self-interest Theory of taxable income reporting.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/16/news/companies/donald-trump-ethics/

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I don't know what tax scams Trump has run, but just from looking at his fake numbers in his federal budget, he is the kind of character who would cheat the IRS. That ain't theoretical.

No. But it's besides the point.

He's only "hiding" his returns from the MSM and the American people. Agencies within the Government already know what are in them, and if they suspect anything nefarious it is within their purview to have it investigated. That's how tax returns work. Nobody is above that law.

I don't know why Trump doesn't release them to the public though. You know what a troll he is. He's probably enjoying the media attention and maybe he's saying to himself if Obama didn't have to share his birth certificate, I'm not going to share my taxes. Neener Neener.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:47 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
How you could get to adulthood and not know that tens of millions of Americans successfully cheat on trillions of dollars in taxes? They never will be forced to pay.

Are you daft?

Of course it happens all of the time.

There is a difference between 10's of Millions of Americans who cheat on their taxes and Donald Trump in this instance though.

He's the Fucking President! All eyes are on him. If anything, the IRS and FBI have EVEN MORE reason to investigate his tax returns because he won't release them to the public.

I will state again for the record that nowhere is it written at all that any President or candidate for the Presidency is in any way required to do so. He is not breaking any laws by not releasing his tax returns.

So investigate them. Punish him if there is a reason for him to be punished. And shut the fuck up.

Don't talk to me about adulthood. Trying to speak with you is like trying to speak with a child who thinks they're clever enough to get away with something stupid.

SECOND

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:29 PM (P)

All this Trumpian chit-chat may have real world effects, and I don't just mean on fireflyfans.net's "Real World Event Discussions". For example:

America’s national obsession with White House revelations tumbling out on a daily (sometimes hourly) basis appears to be sapping productivity.
https://qz.com/989296

Productivity figures bounce around, so it’s too early to draw a definitive line to political distractions, but management consultant Bill Catlette, former head of human resources at FedEx, isn’t surprised. He blames the political turmoil he sees at workplaces around the country. “The workforce is more disengaged and distracted than it ever has in my lifetime,” he said told Quartz.

Catlette is now advising executives dealing with political angst invading the workplace from both conservatives and liberals. While everything from inefficient managerial structures to legalized marijuana can affect productivity, politics has shot up the ladder of concerns. “It’s beyond distraction,” he said. “It’s dysfunctional.”

For HR departments, it feels like a siege. One consultant described it as having the March Madness basketball tournament on all the time.

. . . .

Labor productivity has averaged an annualized growth rate of 1.1% since the end of 2007, according to the Bureau of Labor. That’s a historic low. No one is quite sure what’s driving the steady erosion of American productivity and, consequently, living standards. A politicized workplace surely isn’t helping.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
How you could get to adulthood and not know that tens of millions of Americans successfully cheat on trillions of dollars in taxes? They never will be forced to pay.

Are you daft?

Of course it happens all of the time.

There is a difference between 10's of Millions of Americans who cheat on their taxes and Donald Trump in this instance though.

He's the Fucking President! All eyes are on him. If anything, the IRS and FBI have EVEN MORE reason to investigate his tax returns because he won't release them to the public.

I will state again for the record that nowhere is it written at all that any President or candidate for the Presidency is in any way required to do so. He is not breaking any laws by not releasing his tax returns.

So investigate them. Punish him if there is a reason for him to be punished. And shut the fuck up.

Don't talk to me about adulthood. Trying to speak with you is like trying to speak with a child who thinks they're clever enough to get away with something stupid.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:34 PM (P)

I rest my case.

SECOND

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:40 PM (P)

With Trump out of the country all this week, things have calmed down at my work. We could test the theory that there is a "Trump Effect" by having the White House schedule another long foreign trip later this year. A week, or a month vacation without Trump would be nice for the USA. Even Republicans have to notice that the country continues when Trump is not around to provide leadership.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:49 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
With Trump out of the country all this week, things have calmed down at my work. We could test the theory that there is a "Trump Effect" by having the White House schedule another long foreign trip later this year. A week, or a month vacation without Trump would be nice for the USA. Even Republicans have to notice that the country continues when Trump is not around to provide leadership.

So what are you saying here? CNN and MSNBC just got boring now that Trump is out of the country?

SECOND

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:10 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

So what are you saying here? CNN and MSNBC just got boring now that Trump is out of the country?

Yes. Boring. The big story is "After forgoing headscarves in Saudi Arabia, Trumps wear veils at Vatican". I could not bring myself to read why the Trumps wore veils, but for you I will:

Quote:
"Per Vatican protocol, women who have an audience with the Pope are required to wear long sleeves, formal black clothing, and a veil to cover the head," Stephanie Grisham, spokesperson for the first lady, said in a statement to CNN.

As always with Trump, there was -- what is the word? -- hypocrisy:

Quote:
Both Melania and Ivanka Trump eschewed headscarves during their recent visit to Saudi Arabia, a conservative Muslim country where women are expected to wear headscarves. The move contradicted President Donald Trump’s old criticism of former first lady Michelle Obama for making a similar decision.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:23 PM (P)

It might have something to do with... I dunno, The Pope. I didn't see anywhere that Trump was meeting with the Muslim equivalency of the Pope in the Muslim equivalency of the Vatican. That, and Christians haven't been known to mutilate women's genitalia or throw gays off of buildings for quite a while. Islam is a religion that deserves to be disrespected.

The ONLY reason that American or any other women should wear the expected garb when in Muslim nations is for fear of their life or getting raped. I'm sure there was no danger of that with Secret Service around.

I'm curious as to why Trump would go along with the Catholic stuff though. He doesn't strike me as a particularly religious guy. I think he was trolling again.

SECOND

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:30 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I'm curious as to why Trump would go along with the Catholic stuff though. He doesn't strike me as a particularly religious guy. I think he was trolling again.

CNN says what Trump is doing on this foreign trip is being, well, Trump. The dirty little secret of foreign trips is that the accomplishments and deals are all worked out in advance. What the President does in these settings is smile for the camera, shake a bunch of hands and give short speeches touting how important the relationship is between America and fill-in-the-blank country.

This is exactly the sort of thing Trump has spent the last few decades of his life doing. He excels as the public face, the salesman, the cheerleader for a brand. For years, the brand he was selling was Trump. Now the brand he is selling is America.

The duties of a president while in Washington are far more complicated. Rather than photo-ops and heavily-scheduled public appearances, Trump has to construct a policy agenda and work with Congress to pass it.

CNN gets a little snarky about the truth: Trump should figure out how to effectively govern in Washington. And you can't learn that in Rome.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:40 PM (P)

I just heard that recently while in Isreal Trump wore this:

Now I know he was trolling the religion of Islam and their barbaric ideologies.

Good.

SECOND

Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:01 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Now I know he was trolling the religion of Islam and their barbaric ideologies.

Good.

Trump also trolls the concept of "loyalty".

In his first and best-known book, The Art of the Deal, Trump writes a passage that is one of the most remarkable ever set to paper by a future American president. It’s deeply telling about Trump’s views on the distinction between integrity and loyalty. Trump sings the praises of Roy Cohn — Joe McCarthy’s infamous legal attack dog later turned Trump mentor:

"Just compare that with all the hundreds of “respectable” guys who make careers out of boasting about their uncompromising integrity but have absolutely no loyalty. They only care about what’s best for them and don’t think twice about stabbing a friend in the back if the friend becomes a problem. What I liked most about Roy Cohn was that he would do just the opposite. Roy was the kind of guy who’d be there at your hospital bed long after everyone else had bailed out, literally standing by you to the death."

Trump, ironically, would not stand by Cohn’s deathbed as he perished of AIDS; instead, he disavowed his friend.

-- from the article The Bullshitter-in-Chief
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/30/15631710/trump-bullshit

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:17 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Now I know he was trolling the religion of Islam and their barbaric ideologies.

Good.
Trump also trolls the concept of "loyalty".

Took you almost a whole week to come up with that one, huh?

I take it Trump must be back from his vacation?

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:05 AM (P)

The embodiment of the "ugly American."

He's an embarrassment to anyone with an IQ over 90.

1KIKI

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:41 AM (P)

Quote:
He's an embarrassment to anyone with an IQ over 90.

Did you know that an IQ of 90 is well within the normal range? The normal range's 100 plus or minus one standard deviation (a statistical term in case you don't understand the phrase), or +/- 15. If you wanted to imply that even stupid people are embarrassed by Trump, you'd have to go lower.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

SECOND

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:44 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Now I know he was trolling the religion of Islam and their barbaric ideologies.

Good.
Trump also trolls the concept of "loyalty".

Took you almost a whole week to come up with that one, huh?

I take it Trump must be back from his vacation?

Just for you, 6StringJoker, I found another loyalty story, also today as was the first story. Since you're betting Trump will "help" you get work, it should concern you that he does not reciprocate loyalty to those who are loyal to him. I'm not sure how to classify that. Is Trump disloyal?, or does he misunderstand loyalty?, or is he nuts? or simply a bad manager? Whichever it is would explain the chaos that surrounds Trump when he deals with subordinates.

There is this storyline about Donald Trump, one longtime Trump watcher says, that he's a loyal guy. That he sticks with his old friends and defends them and supports them. "You have it all wrong," he says. "Trump is not loyal, except to his family. He can be solicitous and ingratiating. But if there's a moment you are not useful, forget it, you're done. No matter what you have done for him." Consider: Rudy Giuliani, Paul Manafort, Chris Christie.

And one more thing to keep in mind about the President, adds an ally. He's a disciple of Roy Cohn, the take-no-prisoners New York attorney. "When you're in trouble, you double down, triple down and quadruple down. At the end of the day," he says of Trump, "it's the only way to fight he knows."

www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/opinions/trump-home-all-alone-borger/index.html

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:51 AM (P)

meh

SECOND

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:14 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
meh

I'll try harder to get your attention with Trump’s self-inflicted disaster zone

It’s now little-remembered, but a signature moment of the Trump era came back on January 11 when, shortly before Inauguration Day, Trump tweeted that in his opinion, the American intelligence services were engaged in conduct similar to the Nazi Gestapo.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Intelligence agencies should never have allowed this fake news to "leak" into the public. One last shot at me. Are we living in Nazi Germany?
6:48 AM - 11 Jan 2017
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096

This is the kind of thing where, if you’d run it by a halfway competent person, you’d have gotten the advice not to say it. For one thing, the comparison is deeply stupid. It’s also incredibly offensive to Holocaust victims. From a pragmatic standpoint, the even worse thing is that it’s incredibly offensive to the professional staff of the American intelligence community, a group that you normally don’t alienate for no reason whatsoever.

It’s also a bit of a Streisand effect situation, where the president-elect’s decision to go nuclear over the story draws more attention to it.

This has been Trump time after time, day after day since taking office. Whether it’s churlish refusing to reiterate America’s commitment to Article 5 of NATO after Trump’s own staff briefed American media that he would do so, or firing FBI Director James Comey on a thin pretext that he contradicted days later in an interview with NBC News’s Lester Holt, Trump has been impulsive and self-destructive.

Trump’s existing team is fully competent to warn him off this behavior. The problem is Trump doesn’t want to listen.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/30/15711588/michael-dubke-trump

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:42 AM (P)

meh

OONJERAH

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:20 PM (P)

I enjoyed reading this:

All the times Robert De Niro blasted Donald Trump: 'He's totally nuts'
http://ew.com/news/2017/05/30/donald-trump-robert-de-niro-insults/

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:19 PM (P)

My problem is that I don't take anybody seriously who has problem with Trump that thought that Obama was a good president.

That is why I wish Bytemate would post more here. I'm much more inclined to listen to her thoughts on Trump than I ever would Robert DeNiro or Second or J0.

SECOND

Tuesday, June 6, 2017 9:06 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
My problem is that I don't take anybody seriously who has problem with Trump that thought that Obama was a good president.

Has anyone told Trump that he is responsible for running the government? There was no question that Obama was running the government, for better or worse.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/6/15740376/trump-government-ali
enation

On Monday, Trump tweeted something strangely irresponsible: The Justice Dept. should have stayed with the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to the Supreme Court.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871675245043888128

You would think, reading this missive, that Trump was still a candidate for president, or a New York billionaire raging against the Obama administration. There is a powerlessness in his formulation, an impotent anger at the distant, impersonal bureaucracy he’s criticizing.

But “the Justice Dept.” is really Trump’s Justice Department. It is run by a man Trump handpicked to lead it. The revised travel ban — which was an effort to save Trump’s policy from total defeat before the Supreme Court — was crafted with the input of the White House, and only released after Trump’s top advisers cleared it.

All of which makes Trump’s tweet a very peculiar artifact. If Trump didn’t want the revised travel ban released, why was it released? Isn’t he the boss? Is he going to fire Attorney General Jeff Sessions? Or ask Sessions to fire someone else? And what kind of leader acts like this, litigating frustrations in public and dodging responsibility for the actions of the organization he runs?

Trump sees ‘the Trump administration’ as himself, his Twitter account, Jared and Ivanka, and a few close staffers at the White House. He thinks of everyone else as ‘the government’: some force that does not answer to him, and that he does not manage in a conventional sense.

This was predictable. Trump was never the omnicompetent CEO he played on television. His core business was licensing his name out to other people who actually ran businesses. He’s a genius marketer, not a genius manager. The “Trump” brand appeared on steaks, on vodka, on eyeglasses, on lamps, and on fragrances, to name just a few. But he didn’t run those companies or manage the people who did. He didn’t take responsibility for those products or those teams. Why did Trump not take responsibility?

Trump was so successful as a marketer in part because he was unusually disinterested in the companies he endorsed. One reason athletes and celebrities don’t sell their brands more widely is it’s hard to exert quality control over too many products. Trump didn’t care about the quality of the products he backed, and that let him cash a check from many, many more of them.

Among the many problems with Trump’s presidency is he appears to be treating it much as he treated his branding empire. He runs his White House, and feels responsibility for certain decisions he makes personally — like pulling out of the Paris agreement, or sending cruise missiles to Syria. But the further a decision gets from his core interests and nearby staffers, the less responsibility he feels for it.

This is the difference between a CEO and a brand licenser. Trump doesn’t look at the Justice Department and see Trump’s Justice Department. He looks at the Justice Department and sees the Trump-branded Justice Department — his name is in the lobby, but no one could fairly hold him accountable for everything that happens in the building.

If this doesn’t sound like the way good chief executives run their organizations, it’s because it’s not. It has long been a trope in American politics that the government needs to be run more like a business, but no board of directors would allow a business to be run like this.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Tuesday, June 6, 2017 9:46 PM (P)

Another story about Trump using the White House to increase his family's wealth:

The Trump Organization announced on Monday that it is moving into the budget hotel business — capitalizing on Donald Trump’s popularity in Middle America.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/6/15745442/trump-american-idea-
hotel

The organization plans to launch the chain of hotels in small towns around the country, the kinds of places Trump visited during his campaign stops, according to the New York Times. This new venture takes its cues from the president’s “America First” theme — and the hotels will be decorated with patriotic flair and feature American-made products. The organization plans to launch this experiment in Mississippi, a state that turned out heavily for Trump during the election, with a Trump campaign donor.

The new venture is a reflection of how the Trump family has approached the presidency: as a way to profit from Trump’s politics. The organization has already come under scrutiny after foreign diplomats booked rooms in the Trump International Hotel in Washington, DC, around inauguration (Trump said he would donate the profits, but as of mid-March, there was no evidence he had done so) — and Trump tends to spend his time golfing at clubs he owns, meaning the Secret Service needs to funnel money directly into the president’s pocket in order to protect him.

Trump isn’t failing. He and his family appear to be making money hand over fist. It's a spectacle the likes of which we've never seen in the United States, and while it may end in disaster for the Trumps someday, for now it shows no real sign of failure.

Now it seems the Trump Organization is trying to make money from the last places in the country where the president remains overwhelmingly popular: rural, working-class America. It’s an unusual project for the Trump Organization, which until now has focused exclusively on luxury properties and hotels, many of them abroad. But right now that brand is taking a hit due to controversies over the president’s policies and conduct.

The project raises yet more ethical issues for a president whose young administration has shown general disregard for potential conflicts of interest. Trump refused to divest from his business interests when elected (his sons are now in charge of running the Trump Organization), and will profit from any new business opportunities involving the Trump Organization.

Because Trump still earns money from his business — and hasn’t released his tax returns — it’s impossible to guarantee that the president is not motivated in his policy decisions by a desire to enrich himself and his family.

Capitalizing on his campaign and presidency to launch a new hotel chain does not mean that Trump is doing anything illegal. But ethics experts have been pushing Trump to completely separate himself from his businesses to eliminate the appearance of impropriety. The director of the US Office of Government Ethics, Walter Shaub, has repeatedly urged Trump to sell his assets and put them in a blind trust:

"We can’t risk creating the perception that government leaders would use their official positions for profit. That’s why I was glad in November when the president-elect tweeted that he wanted to, as he put it, “in no way have a conflict of interest” with his businesses. Unfortunately, his current plan cannot achieve that goal."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, June 6, 2017 10:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
There was no question that Obama was running the government, for better or worse.

For worse.

Not even 6 months into Trump's candidacy and we've got a list of 120 signatures of high ranking Muslim officials coming out and condemning the 3 recent Terrorist attacks in the UK.

That didn't happen once in 8 years when Obama and the Globalists had free rein of the US and the EU. Obama wouldn't even use the words Terrorism and Islam in the same sentence and preferred to use terms like "workplace violence". Hillary called anybody who had a problem with Islamic Terror attacks an Islamophobe.

SECOND

Tuesday, June 6, 2017 11:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Obama wouldn't even use the words Terrorism and Islam in the same sentence and preferred to use terms like "workplace violence". Hillary called anybody who had a problem with Islamic Terror attacks an Islamophobe.

Trump has admired Duterte, President of the Philippines, whose vigilantes are killing drug users. Trump could do more than talk about Islamic Terror by following Duterte’s example and encourage American vigilantes to go on the attack. MAGA.
www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-trump-sees-in-philippine-preside
nt-rodrigo-duterte

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, June 6, 2017 11:36 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Obama wouldn't even use the words Terrorism and Islam in the same sentence and preferred to use terms like "workplace violence". Hillary called anybody who had a problem with Islamic Terror attacks an Islamophobe.
Trump has admired Duterte, President of the Philippines, whose vigilantes are killing drug users. Trump could do more than talk about Islamic Terror by following Duterte’s example and encourage American vigilantes to go on the attack. MAGA.

You're missing the point entirely. When Muslim leaders come out and condemn these attacks and these people start being shamed for the monsters they are instead of being regarded as heroes then the attacks will stop and you won't see idiots picking up guns and randomly killing brown people. It's about damn time we're calling them out, and it's sure as hell time that the Muslim community is speaking out against these random acts of violence.

SECOND

Wednesday, June 7, 2017 2:46 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

You're missing the point entirely. When Muslim leaders come out and condemn these attacks and these people start being shamed for the monsters they are instead of being regarded as heroes then the attacks will stop and you won't see idiots picking up guns and randomly killing brown people. It's about damn time we're calling them out, and it's sure as hell time that the Muslim community is speaking out against these random acts of violence.

Seems to me the point is I am learning a lot about you, but not so much about how to wisely govern in a crisis.

I can see how this article would help, after the fact of a terror attack:
http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/muslims-unite-to-condemn-ariana-grande-m
anchester-terror-attack-6655366/
It is about sympathy for the victims and offers of help from Muslims.

But when Trump opens his mouth, he puts his foot in it. Video starts at 44 seconds:
Trump Wants To Kill Muslims With Pig Blood

Donald Trump recently regaled a crowd of supporters with a fake story of General John J. Pershing. Trump said he coated 50 bullets in pig blood and killed 49 muslim terrorists. A comment from yesterday: “absolutely correct,sane ,rational way to eliminate Islamic terrorism ." How you see that comment all depends on how sane you are. Trump would have approved.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, June 7, 2017 3:06 AM (P)

Nope... Not going to watch TYT.

SECOND

Wednesday, June 7, 2017 8:33 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Nope... Not going to watch TYT.

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback’s signature tax reform closely mirrors the tax plan that President Donald Trump is trying to get through Congress. In fact, they were designed by the same supply-side economists.

Republican lawmakers in Kansas put an end to the state’s failed tax-reform experiment on Tuesday, overriding the governor’s veto after three attempts to pass a tax-hiking bill this year.

The new law raises income and business taxes closer to pre-reform levels — a move Republicans had been resisting for years. But pressure had been mounting to do something. The drastic tax cuts enacted five years ago left the state in a fiscal mess, unable to balance its budget and properly fund its public schools.

Kansas’s five year long tax experiment provides many clues about what could happen if Congress goes along with Trump’s vision for tax reform.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/7/15753510/kansas-brownback-tax
-reform

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:01 AM (P)

Second posts a video by The Young Turks entitled "Trump Wants To Kill Muslims With Pig Blood"

I respond with "Nope... not going to watch TYT".

Second quotes this, and then posts an article about something completely different and sources VOX.

It must be Wednesday.

THGRRI

Friday, July 7, 2017 12:34 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Second posts a video by The Young Turks entitled "Trump Wants To Kill Muslims With Pig Blood"

I respond with "Nope... not going to watch TYT".

Second quotes this, and then posts an article about something completely different and sources VOX.

It must be Wednesday.

6 refuses to watch a video that may contradict his pov - it must be a day that ends in "day."

==============================

THGRRI

Friday, July 7, 2017 12:58 AM (P)

Read the letter Democratic lawmakers sent to Trump

“We believe it is crucial for you — as the President of the United States — to raise this matter with President Putin and to ensure that he hears you loud and clear — interfering in our elections was wrong in 2016 and it will not be permitted to happen again,” wrote the group, which also included Sens. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Ben Cardin, D-Md., Jack Reed, D-R.I. and Mark Warner, D-Va.

“President Putin must understand this can never happen again,” they said. "Not raising this matter with President Putin would be a severe dereliction of the duty of the office to which you were elected."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/democrats-demand-trump-co
nfront-putin-election-interference-n780121

OONJERAH

Friday, July 7, 2017 6:03 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
In his first and best-known book, The Art of the Deal, Trump writes a passage that is one of the most remarkable ever set to paper by a future American president. It’s deeply telling about Trump’s views on the distinction between integrity and loyalty. Trump sings the praises of Roy Cohn — Joe McCarthy’s infamous legal attack dog later turned Trump mentor

after everyone else had bailed out, literally standing by you to the death."

Trump, ironically, would not stand by Cohn’s deathbed as he perished of AIDS; instead, he disavowed his friend.

"Art of the Deal" by Trump? was ghost written by Tony Schwartz.
I'd credit the elegant, remarkable & best-seller parts to Schwartz.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

THGRRI

Friday, July 28, 2017 9:28 PM (P)

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - President Donald Trump finds some of his strongest support in Alabama, but his public flogging of Attorney General Jeff Sessions is dismaying Republicans who consider the conservative stalwart a home state hero.

Trump's near-daily Twitter humiliation of Sessions, an apparent effort to force him to quit, is putting party members in awkward positions. Only weeks remain before a special primary election for the U.S. Senate seat Sessions vacated to become the nation's top law enforcer. Suddenly, it doesn't seem so harmonious to simultaneously cheer for the president and Alabama's native son.

http://www.newswest9.com/story/35982635/alabama-gop-says-trump-mistrea
ts-sessions-their-native-son

SECOND

Friday, July 28, 2017 9:43 PM (P)

Anthony Scaramucci, explained
He’s not here to “suck his own cock.”
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/28/16053694/anthony-scaramucci-
white-house-explained

by Matthew Yglesias Jul 28, 2017, 11:00am EDT

A shareholder who bought $100 of Trump Casino Hotels & Resorts shares in 1995 could sell them for about $4 in 2005. The same investment in MGM Resorts would have increased in value to about $600. But it did make lots of money for Donald Trump. It spent more than $6 million on entertaining high-end clients on Trump’s golf courses. It spent $2 million more on renting Trump’s plane. It bought $1.7 million of Trump-branded merchandise. It bought a bankrupt casino from Donald Trump for $490 million. It paid Trump millions in salary for his work as CEO. And most lucratively of all, Trump was able to offload debts he had personally guaranteed onto the publicly traded company.

From there, Trump hopped to starring in a reality television programming and then into a lucrative celebrity brand licensing business. He also launched a fake university that had to pay out $25 million to settle fraud claims.

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, July 28, 2017 9:47 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Anthony Scaramucci, explained
He’s not here to “suck his own cock.”
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/28/16053694/anthony-scaramucci-
white-house-explained

by Matthew Yglesias Jul 28, 2017, 11:00am EDT

A shareholder who bought $100 of Trump Casino Hotels & Resorts shares in 1995 could sell them for about $4 in 2005. The same investment in MGM Resorts would have increased in value to about $600. But it did make lots of money for Donald Trump. It spent more than $6 million on entertaining high-end clients on Trump’s golf courses. It spent $2 million more on renting Trump’s plane. It bought $1.7 million of Trump-branded merchandise. It bought a bankrupt casino from Donald Trump for $490 million. It paid Trump millions in salary for his work as CEO. And most lucratively of all, Trump was able to offload debts he had personally guaranteed onto the publicly traded company.

From there, Trump hopped to starring in a reality television programming and then into a lucrative celebrity brand licensing business. He also launched a fake university that had to pay out $25 million to settle fraud claims.

Where were all of these financial experts when The Clinton Foundation was a thing?

THGRRI

Friday, July 28, 2017 9:52 PM (P)

Today's cover: In the latest episode of “White House Survivor,” the West Wing descends into chaos

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:32 AM (P)

That's actually pretty funny.

THGRRI

Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:58 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
That's actually pretty funny.

No, it's both sad and alarming, because it's accurate.

SECOND

Tuesday, August 1, 2017 2:44 AM (P)

Anthony Scaramucci is — I mean, was — US president Donald Trump’s bombastic, foulmouthed communications director. Today, Trump fired Scaramucci, nicknamed “the Mooch,” just 10 days after he was hired. Somebody is nuts. Is it Trump? The Mooch?

Meanwhile, there’s Euron Greyjoy:

Mr. Greyjoy is a bombastic, foul-mouthed new character on HBO’s hit fantasy series Game of Thrones. Some fans of the show have described him as the show’s version of the Mooch—or, rather, Mooch as reality’s version of Euron Greyjoy.

The character’s arc so far closely resembles Scaramucci’s swift rise in politics. Having appeared seemingly out of nowhere at the end of the prior season, Euron has skyrocketed to a prominent role this season as a close ally (and possible future lover) to the flaxen-haired Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, Cersei Lannister. Along the way, he’s made a name for himself as a crude and sadistic man who takes pleasure in the deaths of his political enemies.

Virtually all of Euron’s lines on the show are reminiscent of Scaramucci’s rant to the New Yorker. But, unlike the Mooch, Euron has not yet met his end. If Euron continues to follow the Mooch’s trajectory, however, he will likely be the next character to fall on a show that enjoys killing off its main characters.

Indeed, the only TV show that kills off more major players than Game of Thrones is, of course, the reality show known as the Trump White House. The TV veteran Trump has eliminated literally dozens of advisors and staffers—most recently chief of staff Reince Priebus and press secretary Sean Spicer.

Neither Scaramucci nor Greyjoy could be reached for comment.

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, August 1, 2017 3:25 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
That's actually pretty funny.

No, it's both sad and alarming, because it's accurate.

If you say so.

SECOND

Friday, August 11, 2017 1:02 AM (P)

"There’s nothing more to be learned about Trump’s mixture of ignorance, insecurity and narcissism. Every second spent on his bluster is more degrading than informative."

-- David Brooks, Famed Conservative-Politics Writer, is burned out by Trump, August 8, 2017

It is no exaggeration to say that Mr. Brooks spent every hour of his professional career boosting Republicans and Conservatism, mocking Democrats and Liberals, and relentlessly positioning himself as America's Most Ubiquitous Conservative Public Intellectual. And yet, in 2017 during the Republican Party's Year of Jubilee -- the year when Mr. Brooks' Republican Party owned every branch of the federal government and Mr. Brooks' Conservative Movement had effectively conquered the media both through direct propaganda efforts (Fox News/Hate Radio/etc.) and by bludgeoning the "mainstream media" into a state of meek complicity -- Mr. Brooks announced that he was suddenly sick and tired writing about Conservatism or politics.

These are David Brook's final words to us: "One way or another I'm gonna wash that man [Trump] right outta what's left of my hair."

Thanks, David. Don’t worry about anything, we’ll clean up the mess.

www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/9/1688304/-David-Brooks-Famed-Conserva
tive-Politics-Writer-Is-Burned-Out-By-Trump-Leaving-Politics-For-Good

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, August 11, 2017 3:33 AM (P)

“With the exception of the president, every link in the U.S. nuclear decision chain has protections against poor judgments, deliberate misuse or accidental deployment. The two-person rule, in place since World War II, requires that the actual order to launch be sent to two separate people. Each one has to decode and authenticate the message before taking action. In addition, anyone with nuclear weapons duties, in any branch of service, must routinely pass a Pentagon-mandated evaluation called the Personnel Reliability Program—a battery of tests that assess several areas, including mental fitness, financial history, and physical and emotional well-being.

There is no comparable restraint on the president. He or she can decide to trigger a thermonuclear Armageddon without consulting anyone at all and never has to demonstrate mental fitness.”

Scientific American explains why no one should have sole authority to launch a nuclear attack.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-one-should-have-sole-authority-t
o-launch-a-nuclear-attack/

In just five minutes an American president could put all of humanity in jeopardy. Most nuclear security experts believe that's how long it would take for as many as 400 land-based nuclear weapons in the U.S. arsenal to be loosed on enemy targets after an initial “go” order. Ten minutes later a battalion of underwater nukes could join them.

That unbridled power is a frightening prospect no matter who is president. Donald Trump, the current occupant of the Oval Office, highlights this point. He said he aspires to be “unpredictable” in how he might use nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile, Trump wondered aloud whether his fire and fury comments might not have been tough enough: “North Korea better get their act together or they are going to be in trouble like few nations have ever been in trouble … Things will happen to them like they never thought possible, OK?”

https://apnews.com/74ed5e07efc94759ba335a51e80de6dc/In-new-threat,-Tru
mp-demands-NKorea-%27get-their-act-together%27

SECOND

Friday, August 11, 2017 9:20 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:

I do believe that Kelly, Mattis, and or McMasters would keep him from doing something too stupid.

Nice fantasy, but I would not believe that.

Max Boot, a lifelong conservative who advised three Republican Presidential candidates on foreign policy, keeps a folder labelled “Trump Stupidity File” on his computer. It’s next to his “Trump Lies” file. “Not sure which is larger at this point,” he told me this week. “It’s neck-and-neck.”

Six months into the Trump era, foreign-policy officials from eight past Administrations told me they are aghast that the President is still so witless about the world. “He seems as clueless today as he was on January 20th,” Boot, who is now a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, said. Trump’s painful public gaffes, they warn, indicate that he’s not reading, retaining, or listening to his Presidential briefings. And the newbie excuse no longer flies.

“Trump has an appalling ignorance of the current world, of history, of previous American engagement, of what former Presidents thought and did,” Geoffrey Kemp, who worked at the Pentagon during the Ford Administration and at the National Security Council during the Reagan Administration, reflected. “He has an almost studious rejection of the type of in-depth knowledge that virtually all of his predecessors eventually gained or had views on.”

Criticism of Donald Trump among Democrats who served in senior national-security positions is predictable and rife. But Republicans—who are historically ambitious on foreign policy—are particularly pained by the President’s missteps and misstatements. So are former senior intelligence officials who have avoided publicly criticizing Presidents until now.

“The President has little understanding of the context”—of what’s happening in the world—“and even less interest in hearing the people who want to deliver it,” Michael Hayden, a retired four-star general and former director of both the C.I.A. and the National Security Agency, told me. “He’s impatient, decision-oriented, and prone to action. It’s all about the present tense. When he asks, ‘What the hell’s going on in Iraq?’ people around him have learned not to say, ‘Well, in 632 . . . ’ ” (That was the year when the Prophet Muhammad died, prompting the beginning of the Sunni-Shiite split.*)

“He just doesn’t have an interest in the world,” Hayden said.

www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-is-donald-trump-still-so-horribly
-witless-about-the-world

SECOND

Sunday, August 13, 2017 9:18 PM (P)

How Trump’s paranoid White House sees ‘deep state’ enemies on all sides

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/13/donald-trump-white-house-steve
-bannon-rich-higgins

An extraordinary memo by a former national security official contains a list of Donald Trump’s perceived enemies within, offering an insight into paranoia gripping the White House.

The author, Rich Higgins, was ousted last month by the national security adviser, HR McMaster (who is not paranoid). But the president reportedly saw the memo when it was passed to him by his son, Donald Trump Jr, and was said to be “furious” at Higgins’s forced departure.

Entitled POTUS & Political Warfare and written in florid pseudo-intellectual language, the memo illustrates the siege mentality that fuels Trump, his chief strategist, Steve Bannon, and the “alt-right” in their endless running battles with the media, the so-called “deep state” and others.

The seven-page document – leaked to Foreign Policy magazine – claims the Trump administration is suffering under “withering information campaigns designed to first undermine, then delegitimize and ultimately remove the president”.

It continues: “Recognizing in candidate Trump an existential threat to cultural Marxist memes that dominate the prevailing cultural narrative, those that benefit recognize the threat he poses and seek his destruction.”

Writing in May this year, Higgins, who was in the strategic planning office at the National Security Council, goes on to identify seven groups that he claims are part of a huge conspiracy to bring the president down.

First is the mainstream media, which he describes as “the principle [sic] mechanism for implementing narratives”. Trump frequently attacks CNN, the New York Times and Washington Post and has described the media as the “enemy of the American people”, while Bannon has called it the “opposition party”. White House press briefings have frequently involved acrimonious clashes with the CNN reporter Jim Acosta, among others. Yet Trump evidently continues to crave media attention.

Second, there is “the academy”, which Higgins argues is “a key conduit for creating future adherents to cultural Marxist narratives”. Perceived foes here would presumably range from climate scientists to liberal academics to university campuses that ban offensive speech.

Third on the list is the “deep state”. With his flair for pretentious verbosity, Higgins claims that with no considerations other than furthering its own power, “the deep state truly becomes, as Hegel advocated, god [sic] bestriding the earth”. Pro-Trump media such as Breitbart have frequently railed against intelligence agencies for leaking against the president. On Thursday, the president said he did not have confidence in the former CIA director John Brennan, adding: “I shouldn’t maybe say that, but I will say it.”

. . .

Higgins’s memo, full of academic jargon and numerous references to Marxism, concludes that the “defense of President Trump is the defense of America” and compares him to Abraham Lincoln, although the hyper-suspicious Richard Nixon might be more accurate.

The memo produced a combination of amusement and fear among analysts. Ken Gude, a senior fellow on the national security team at the Center for American Progress thinktank in Washington, said: “It’s the craziest thing I’ve seen come out of the National Security Council staff, that’s for sure. It’s the bizarre ramblings of a conspiracy theorist. It’s unhinged.”

Gude noted that the list of Trump’s foes “could be read to describe just about everybody except for loyalists. It’s quite alarming to think this is how people close to the president view the world and view the country.”

. . .

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/13/donald-trump-white-house-steve
-bannon-rich-higgins

SECOND

Monday, August 21, 2017 10:46 AM (P)

A month before Trump was inaugurated, Mother Jones looked at Trump’s many public remarks about nuclear war and noted that he’s often spoken as if he thinks nuclear war is inevitable. Here’s Trump in a 1990 Playboy interview:

I’ve always thought about the issue of nuclear war; it’s a very important element in my thought process. It’s the ultimate, the ultimate catastrophe, the biggest problem this world has, and nobody’s focusing on the nuts and bolts of it. It’s a little like sickness. People don’t believe they’re going to get sick until they do. Nobody wants to talk about it. I believe the greatest of all stupidities is people’s believing it will never happen, because everybody knows how destructive it will be, so nobody uses weapons. What bullshit.

This is a frightening thing to hear (Trump has admitted, “Look, I’m very much a fatalist”), but as the New York Daily News reports, over the years, he has actually laid out what he believes is the path to our salvation. Unsurprisingly, it involves Trump single-handedly saving humanity with his superior negotiation skills. Here’s an excerpt from a 1984 New York Times profile, in which a young Trump once again raised concerns about a nuclear holocaust:

His greatest dream is to personally do something about the problem and, characteristically, Donald Trump thinks he has an answer to nuclear armament: Let him negotiate arms agreements — he who can talk people into selling $100 million properties to him for $13 million. Negotiations is an art, he says and I have a gift for it.

Later that year, a Washington Post piece noted that Trump hoped to “perhaps one day fulfill his fantasy of becoming the U.S. negotiator on nuclear arms limitation talks with the Soviets.”

“It’s something that somebody should do that knows how to negotiate and not the kind of representatives that I have seen in the past.”

He could learn about missiles, quickly, he says.

“It would take an hour-and-a-half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles … I think I know most of it anyway. You’re talking about just getting updated on a situation …”

And despite access to the world’s top nuclear experts, the New York Times reported that Trump’s improvised threat to Kim Jong-un last week was the result of his belief that he alone understands how to deal with the dictator:

The president, people close to him say, believes he has a better feel for Mr. Kim than his advisers do. He thinks of Mr. Kim as someone used to pushing people around, and Mr. Trump thinks he needs to show that he cannot be pushed.

Joseph Cirincione, president of the Ploughshares Fund, an anti-nuclear-proliferation initiative, said Trump’s comparisons to the business world don’t make sense and that Trump’s view of nuclear weapons is deeply troubling.

“He doesn’t understand their role in our security policy. What he’s saying? He argues purely from a good gut instinct. Is that the way you make nuclear policy?”

Under President Trump, apparently the answer is yes.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/trump-thinks-about-nukes-
a-lot-doesnt-know-much-about-them.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:46 AM (P)

A lot of people had predicted ahead of time that Trump would stare at the sun without protective glasses during the eclipse, and they were all well and truly vindicated.

Pictures of Trump foolishly burning his eyeballs at
www.buzzfeed.com/bradesposito/black-hole-sun

Jarett Wieselman @JarettSays
Trump will stare directly into the eclipse because everyone told him not to.
11:14 AM - Aug 21, 2017

Jules @jules_su
Can't wait for the photo of Donald Trump squinting directly into the eclipse to go viral.
10:50 AM - Aug 21, 2017

Ankit Panda @nktpnd
Someone's going to tell Trump not to stare at the sun today, but he's going to do it anyway and go blind. #Eclipse2017
8:53 AM - Aug 21, 2017

Katie P @applezismypal
Trump's aides are spending the day reminding him not to stare directly at the sun sp#SolarEclipse2017
7:24 AM - Aug 21, 2017

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:56 PM (P)

The America First president just announced he's escalating the Afghanistan war.

And Trump's Afghanistan plan looks a lot like Obama's, with one major exception and one minor.

When Obama ordered reinforcements to Afghanistan in 2009, he said they’d start to be withdrawn within 18 months — a fixed deadline that infuriated critics from both parties. Trump, by contrast, repeatedly stressed in his Monday night address that there was no timetable for how long American troops would remain in Afghanistan. That effectively means the longest war in American history will extend into the indefinite future.

“Conditions on the ground -- not arbitrary timetables -- will guide our strategy from now on,” Trump said. Trump brings out his famous deal-making skills:

"In this struggle, the heaviest burden will continue to be borne by the good people of Afghanistan and their courageous armed forces. As the prime minister of Afghanistan has promised, we are going to participate in economic development to help defray the cost of this war to us."

That zipped by mighty quickly, didn’t it? Let’s rewind and pause a bit. What exactly does Trump mean? What does he plan to extract from Afghanistan to help “defray” the cost of the war? From the wiki that extract would be Afghan handwoven rugs and hand crafted antique replicas as well as leather and furs. The wiki notes that GNP data excludes opium production.

Transcript of speech is here:
www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/08/21/remarks-president-trump
-strategy-afghanistan-and-south-asia

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:27 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
A lot of people had predicted ahead of time that Trump would stare at the sun without protective glasses during the eclipse, and they were all well and truly vindicated.

Pictures of Trump foolishly burning his eyeballs at
www.buzzfeed.com/bradesposito/black-hole-sun

Jarett Wieselman @JarettSays
Trump will stare directly into the eclipse because everyone told him not to.
11:14 AM - Aug 21, 2017

Jules @jules_su
Can't wait for the photo of Donald Trump squinting directly into the eclipse to go viral.
10:50 AM - Aug 21, 2017

Ankit Panda @nktpnd
Someone's going to tell Trump not to stare at the sun today, but he's going to do it anyway and go blind. #Eclipse2017
8:53 AM - Aug 21, 2017

Katie P @applezismypal
Trump's aides are spending the day reminding him not to stare directly at the sun sp#SolarEclipse2017
7:24 AM - Aug 21, 2017

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

That is hilarious.

There's only 3 possible outcomes of this.

1. He goes blind and everyone has to admit to Second that he was right and Trump is stupid.

2. He was wearing some sort of special contacts from new tech that were made just for him, and looking at the sun and knowing what a media rage it would create in the aftermath was just another big fuck you to the MSM.

3. The eclipse making you go blind is just an old wives tale and the same people that tell new presidents all about Area 51 let him know about this too.

I seriously doubt he goes blind.

Anybody have their own speculations here?

P.S. I have to apologize to Brenda for saying "Video, or it didn't happen". I can't prove that these pics were actually from the eclipse, but Miliana is wearing pretty dark shades. I'll play.

SECOND

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:43 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I seriously doubt he goes blind.

Anybody have their own speculations here?

P.S. I have to apologize to Brenda for saying "Video, or it didn't happen". I can't prove that these pics were actually from the eclipse, but Miliana is wearing pretty dark shades. I'll play.

He is blind to what happens around him. I seriously doubt Trump will be winning Afghanistan and there are thousands of days of video showing losing.

As a candidate, Trump argued for a more isolationist approach to foreign policy.

Recent foreign wars, he told his supporters, had drained America of blood and treasure at the expense of efforts such as education and infrastructure at home.

“So we’re on track now to spend, listen to this, $6 trillion — could have rebuilt our country twice — all together, on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Middle East,” Trump said during a speech in Cleveland during the campaign. “ Meanwhile, massive portions of our country are in a state of total disrepair.”

www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-afghanistan-
plan-20170821-story.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:27 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Second posts a video by The Young Turks entitled "Trump Wants To Kill Muslims With Pig Blood"

I respond with "Nope... not going to watch TYT".

Second quotes this, and then posts an article about something completely different and sources VOX.

It must be Wednesday.

The TYT video was completely accurate.

I guess you're just too dumb to accept accurate, reliable information. Stick with your Fox and Breitbart. They'll keep you living in your fantasy reality.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:02 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
The TYT video was completely accurate.

LOL....

"The TYT video was completely accurate."

That right there says everything anybody needs to know about you.

THGRRI

Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:26 PM (P)

Trump gets something right. I remember this strategy being discussed years ago when Bush was president. I can't remember how it went.
T

THGRRI

Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:35 AM (P)

Trump Advisor Gary Cohn Reportedly Faked a Bad Connection to Get Off a Call with the President

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-advisor-gary-cohn-reportedly-19043717
7.html

T

THGRRI

Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:48 AM (P)

T

This Thanksgiving, It's Grim in Trump's Swamp

If you're associated with the administration of President Donald Trump, there's not much to be thankful for this week. With the exception of Defense Secretary James Mattis, no insider has elevated his or her standing in 10 months and no superstar has emerged as in previous administrations.

Already, Trump’s chief of staff, national security adviser, press secretary, communications chief and Health and Human Services secretary are out, none leaving with dignity intact. His former campaign manager and a deputy have been indicted along with a campaign foreign-policy adviser. Michael Flynn, the shelved national security adviser, is in the crosshairs of the special counsel investigating Trump’s links with Russia, Robert Mueller.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-22/this-thanksgiving-i
t-s-grim-in-trump-s-swamp

1KIKI

Thursday, November 23, 2017 10:43 AM (P)

And still no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion to rig the election. Or was it influence the election? Or perhaps participate in the campaign. Or comment on the campaign ... after the election. Or something.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

THGRRI

Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:15 AM (P)

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, November 29, 2017 6:03 AM (P)

I don't see what the problem was with him saying what he did here. He didn't sound like it was said in an insulting manner and Pocohontas was well thought of enough to be put on a US dollar coin for a time and have a Disney movie made of her.

He also said "they call her Pocohontas." No way of telling who "they" were from the 3 second clip they showed of the speech in this video.

I'm going to file this under "taken out of context" and "SJW bait".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, November 29, 2017 6:25 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm going to file this under "taken out of context" and "SJW bait".

Anybody remember Trump saying “They will be met with fire, fury, and, frankly, power, the likes of which the world has never seen.” North Korea launched another missile, today, and Trump made another threat. I suspect Trump has got something planned and North Korea almost certainly has plans on firing missiles during the Olympics in South Korea. Trump could start a war during the Olympics, which begin Friday, Feb 9 and end on Sunday, Feb 25. It might be the most intense Winter Games of all times, thanks to Trump, if he pulls the trigger on N Korea's missile program to get maximum TV coverage.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, November 29, 2017 6:35 AM (P)

Sure. Anything could happen. I don't know why you quoted me when you brought that up though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THGRRI

Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:25 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Trump is an a**hole.

Without the codetalkers, I think you would have lost the war in the Pacific.

The Japanese couldn't break it because they didn't realize that they were hearing another language and not jumbled up English.

Wow, I've been looking at what Jack is saying. What a f!@king jerk.

T

SECOND

Wednesday, November 29, 2017 8:05 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sure. Anything could happen. I don't know why you quoted me when you brought that up though.

Because you are the one who wrote "I'm going to file this under "taken out of context" and "SJW bait"." and Trump is the one who said, “They will be met with fire, fury, and, frankly, power, the likes of which the world has never seen.” Maybe everything is out of context and Trump doesn't mean anything when he talks. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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