Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"

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SECOND

Wednesday, July 26, 2017 7:33 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
If civil war happens, they're not coming for me and my collective nothing.

Hope you built that moat.

I don't need a moat. To make America great again in a Civil War I'll be literally hunting for people like you. It will be fun, at least for me, but not for you.

REAVERFAN

Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:21 AM (P)

I'd have left here if it weren't for Second's intelligent posts. Worth reading.

SECOND

Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:23 AM (P)

The GOP’s effort to tie Trump’s hands on Russia
www.vox.com/world/2017/7/26/16034148/europe-russia-sanctions-bill-repu
blicans-trump

The sanctions bill passed the House of Representatives Tuesday by a lopsided margin of 419-3, and the Senate could be voting on it as early as this week as well.

The Senate passed a similar piece of legislation earlier this summer by a margin of 98-2, so it’s very likely that the bill’s supporters will have veto-proof majorities in both chambers of Congress.

If the bill becomes law, the Republican Party will be taking its first concrete steps to constrain Trump’s unpredictable and politically risky behavior on Russia.

Did you see those numbers? 98 to 2 in the Senate? 419 to 3 in the House?

Maybe soon Trump will not be the President handling foreign affairs with Russia.

Maybe someday, after the 2018 election but before 2020, Trump will not be the President handling any affairs, either foreign or domestic.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:34 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
If civil war happens, they're not coming for me and my collective nothing.

Hope you built that moat.
I don't need a moat. To make America great again in a Civil War I'll be literally hunting for people like you. It will be fun, at least for me, but not for you.

This one is saved, for the record.

That's an actual verbal proclamation of a physical threat.

My door is always open. Come get some, friend.

SECOND

Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:10 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
If civil war happens, they're not coming for me and my collective nothing.

Hope you built that moat.
I don't need a moat. To make America great again in a Civil War I'll be literally hunting for people like you. It will be fun, at least for me, but not for you.

This one is saved, for the record.

That's an actual verbal proclamation of a physical threat.

My door is always open. Come get some, friend.

Could you be more specific about the threat you believe I am making? Who, what, when, where, how? And the most important: Why? I noticed after 9/11 that the Republicans were convinced the terrorists were after them, personally. I told them that no terrorist even knows they exist, let alone thinks they were worth killing by crashing an airplane into a skyscraper in downtown Houston, but that didn't seem to calm the anxieties or belligerency of Texas Republicans seeking revenge on Afghanistan. A few trillion dollars later, Republicans haven't learned a thing.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:32 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
If civil war happens, they're not coming for me and my collective nothing.

Hope you built that moat.
I don't need a moat. To make America great again in a Civil War I'll be literally hunting for people like you. It will be fun, at least for me, but not for you.

This one is saved, for the record.

That's an actual verbal proclamation of a physical threat.

My door is always open. Come get some, friend.
Could you be more specific about the threat you believe I am making? Who, what, when, where, how? And the most important: Why? I noticed after 9/11 that the Republicans were convinced the terrorists were after them, personally. I told them that no terrorist even knows they exist, let alone thinks they were worth killing by crashing an airplane into a skyscraper in downtown Houston, but that didn't seem to calm the anxieties or belligerency of Texas Republicans seeking revenge on Afghanistan. A few trillion dollars later, Republicans haven't learned a thing.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Make no mistake, there is no anxiety at all on my part. The idea of somebody like you hunting somebody like me is hilarious.

But you miss the point entirely.

People like you and people like me would never even cross paths in a scenario like that.

You can bet that you are going to have a lot of people coming for you though.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, July 27, 2017 2:11 PM (P)

Although the subject of discussion seems to have derailed from the Title, this looks to be very looooong "countdown" - does it still qualify as a countdown if he steps down after 2922 days?

THGRRI

Friday, July 28, 2017 8:16 PM (P)

Lindsey Graham announces bill, threatens Trump: ‘Beginning of the end’ of presidency if he fires Mueller

http://conservativefiringline.com/lindsey-graham-announces-bill-threat
ens-trump-beginning-end-presidency-fires-mueller/

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, July 28, 2017 8:58 PM (P)

Here's to new beginnings... of ends...

SECOND

Saturday, July 29, 2017 2:23 AM (P)

Congress has handcuffed Donald Trump on Russia.

Back in December, Obama announced a raft of new sanctions against Russia and the expulsion of dozens of Russian diplomats from the US as a penalty for its meddling in the 2016 election.

Today, Obama-era sanctions against Russia that are in place under executive orders — directives that only the president had authority to enact and rescind — are enshrined in the law. Trump can't rescind Obama's orders. It is not the same as Trump losing all Presidential power and being booted from the White House by Mike Pence, but it is a start.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/28/16055630/congress-trump-russ
ia-sanctions-veto

The next step in taking the White House away from Trump a little bit at a time is for Congress to forbid him from firing Robert Mueller.

THGRRI

Friday, August 4, 2017 3:34 AM (P)

The man SIG argued would be the best choice for president is in deep shit with the justice department. The excitement in the air is palpable.

Report: Mueller convenes grand jury in Russia investigation

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has impaneled a grand jury in Washington, D.C., a clear sign that the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election is ramping up, the Wall Street Journal reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-robert-mueller-convenes-grand-jury-
in-russia-investigation/

THGRRI

Friday, August 4, 2017 3:38 AM (P)

Tic Toc

6STRINGJOKER

Friday, August 4, 2017 3:56 AM (P)

lol

SECOND

Friday, August 4, 2017 4:42 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
lol

Laugh at this: Trump didn't help himself one bit by complaining yesterday, on a signed document, that it was unconstitutional for Congress to prevent him from trading away Crimea to Russia. It is U.S. policy for nine decades to not recognize borders changed by force. That policy has been in effect since the Hoover Administration and was restated by Vice President Mike Pence on Wednesday. Too bad Trump does not understand. The Senate won't give Trump a pass for not knowing that. It is an automatic fail, like telling your boss that you smoked crack while sitting on the company's toilet.
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/03/trumps-objections-russia-sanctions
-law-suggest-might-trade-crimea-away/

THGRRI

Friday, August 4, 2017 5:51 AM (P)

They've got Trump in a strangle hold concerning Russia as they, the republicans, try and get done what they can. Trump is going down. They know it, and will help do so when the time is right.

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
lol
Laugh at this: Trump didn't help himself one bit by complaining yesterday, on a signed document, that it was unconstitutional for Congress to prevent him from trading away Crimea to Russia. It is U.S. policy for nine decades to not recognize borders changed by force. That policy has been in effect since the Hoover Administration and was restated by Vice President Mike Pence on Wednesday. Too bad Trump does not understand. The Senate won't give Trump a pass for not knowing that. It is an automatic fail, like telling your boss that you smoked crack while sitting on the company's toilet.
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/03/trumps-objections-russia-sanctions
-law-suggest-might-trade-crimea-away/

THGRRI

Friday, August 4, 2017 6:08 AM (P)

Mueller Plunges Across Trump's Red Line

Trump has threatened Mueller, trying to keep his investigation confined to the election. He suggested in an interview with The New York Timesthat he might fire Mueller if the probe spread too wide.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-plunges-across-trumps-r
ed-line/ar-AApni7m

THGRRI

Friday, August 4, 2017 6:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
They've got Trump in a strangle hold concerning Russia as they, the republicans, try and get done what they can. Trump is going down. They know it, and will help do so when the time is right.

- Congress moving on 2 bi-partisan fronts to pass legislation to protect Mueller's investigation.
- Mueller opens grand jury in DC

If he fires Mueller he's toast. If he doesn't fire Mueller he's toast. By firing Comey and saying on tv that he did it to stop the investigation into his ties with Russia, he's toast. He's likely been laundering money for Russian Mob/Oligarchs. Jr. attempted collusion - we still don't know what was exchanged at that meeting. Them saying "it was nothing," yeah, like we're going to believe that.

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It's a mess G. He held a rally in Virginia to show he has enough support to make the lives of the Republicans difficult, to say the least. If he is guilty, he has to fire Mueller. Rallying his base first would be smart.

THGRRI

Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:42 AM (P)

FBI Agents Conducted A Raid On Paul Manafort's Residence

FBI agents raided former Trump campaign ChairmanPaul Manafort's home, a spokesman for Manafort tells NPR's Tamara Keith. Manafort's name has come up as part of the U.S. investigation into Russia's attempt to meddle with last year's election.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/09/542394568/fbi-agents
-conducted-a-raid-on-paul-manaforts-residence

JO753

Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:59 AM (P)

I think Trump wants to be impeached! Its the best explanation for todayz outraje.

Either that or he iz a total moron.

"OOPS! I fell in the septic tank!" (1st comments on Charlottesville)

Then hiz handlerz fish him out, but he'z still covered in stink.

"Hey! I like it in there!" and he jumps back in.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:07 AM (P)

If the man wants it than they should go ahead and do it.

This countdown clock is getting a little old in the tooth. At this rate we're going to have solar highways before it finally happens.

SECOND

Friday, August 18, 2017 5:35 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

This countdown clock is getting a little old in the tooth. At this rate we're going to have solar highways before it finally happens.

Trump's attacks could leave him friendless if impeachment comes

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-senate-idUSKCN1AX2K3

President Donald Trump has stepped up his attacks on Republican senators, an approach he may regret if he is someday impeached and the Senate has to weigh charges against him stemming from an investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.

More than half of the 11 Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which would be central to any proceeding to remove Trump from office, have tangled with the Republican president, including on Thursday when he fired off early-morning tweets.

In one Twitter series, Trump called Senator Lindsey Graham "publicity seeking" and said he "just can't forget his election trouncing" in the 2016 presidential race. Trump also assailed Senator Jeff Flake, another Republican critic, as "a non-factor in the Senate," adding, "He's toxic."

Flake and Graham are members of the Judiciary Committee, whose Chairman Chuck Grassley has urged Trump to tone it down.

"He should be 100 percent sticking to ideas and forget about personalities," Grassley said on Friday when pressed on whether Trump might find himself without the friends in Congress he would need to defend himself in an impeachment proceeding.

'TRUMP NEEDS FRIENDS'

Having friends would help any president facing impeachment, said Charles Brain, a White House liaison to Congress during Clinton's impeachment.

Without such friendships, Brain said, lawmakers "can just be quiet," refusing to share information with the White House and letting attacks on the president gain momentum.

More on Trump's self-destructive habits at www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-senate-idUSKCN1AX2K3

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, August 18, 2017 6:06 PM (P)

The Art of the Deal ghostwriter Tony Schwartz says Donald Trump’s presidency ‘is effectively over’
August 18, 2017

Tony Schwartz, the co-author on Donald Trump’s infamous 1987 book The Art of the Deal, has said he believes Trump will soon resign from his position as POTUS.

The ghostwriter, who spent 18 months working on the book with the business tycoon in the 1980s, has been one of Trump’s most vocal critics since he started running in the presidential race. While he was with Trump writing his book, he said the business mogul was thinking about “how do I do whatever is best for me and how do I get over everybody else,” he told CNN today.

On Thursday, Schwartz tweeted: “Almost all of Trump’s limited attention is focused on beating down his critics. No time for governing which doesn’t interest him anyway.”

“The circle is closing at blinding speed. Trump is going to resign and declare victory before Mueller and congress leave him no choice.”

“He’ll say he did everything he could to save America. He’s going to try and paint this as his own victory and he’s the ultimate victor.”

www.news.com.au/world/north-america/the-art-of-the-deal-writer-says-tr
umps-presidency-is-effectively-over/news-story/280900454fc15a7069b398894948015c

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:13 AM (P)

Has it been 182 days yet?

I'm still wondering if this countdown will conclude after 2922 days.

Only 2740 days remaining, right?

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:16 AM (P)

Meh... more MSM speculation.

Kinda getting bored of listening to the opinions of overpaid shills.

I'll just wait and see how it all plays out. I doesn't matter much to me.

SECOND

Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:57 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Meh... more MSM speculation.

Kinda getting bored of listening to the opinions of overpaid shills.

I'll just wait and see how it all plays out. I doesn't matter much to me.

I don't want to see Trump gone because I'm making money. But there is another reason: as lesson for Republican voters.

Everyone seems to be reporting that Steve Bannon is out. Bannon’s exit means the end of even the pretense that Trump's economic policy is anything different from standard Republicanism — and I think giving up the pretense matters, at least a bit.

The basics of the U.S. economic debate are really very simple. The federal government, as often noted, is an insurance company with an army: aside from defense, its spending is dominated by Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (plus some ACA subsidies).

Conservatives always claim that they want to make government smaller. But that means cutting these programs — and what we know now, after the repeal debacle, is that people like all these programs, even the means-tested programs like Medicaid. Obama paid a large temporary price for making Medicaid/ACA bigger, paid for with taxes on the wealthy, but now that it’s in place, voters hate the idea of taking it away.

So what’s Trump the tax-cutter to do? His agenda is fundamentally unpopular; how can it be sold?

One long-standing answer is to muddy the waters, and make elections about white resentment. That’s been the strategy since Nixon, and Trump turned the dial up to 11. And they’ve won a lot of elections — but never had the political capital to reverse the welfare state.

Another strategy is to invoke voodoo: to claim that taxes can be cut without spending cuts, because miracles will happen. That has sometimes worked as a political strategy, but overall it seems to have lost its punch. Kansas is a cautionary tale; and under Obama federal taxes on the top 1 percent basically went back up to pre-Reagan levels.

So what did Trump seem to offer that was new? First, during the campaign he combined racist appeals with claims that he wouldn’t cut the safety net. This sounded as if he was offering a kind of herrenvolk welfare state: all the benefits you expect, but only for your kind of people.

Second, he offered economic nationalism: we were going to beat up on the Chinese, the Mexicans, somebody, make the Europeans pay tribute for defense, and that would provide the money for so much winning, you’d get tired of winning. Economic nonsense, but some voters believed it.

Where are we now? The herrenvolk welfare state never materialized, in part because Trump is too lazy to understand policy at all, and outsourced health care to the usual GOP suspects. So Trumpcare turned out to be the same old Republican thing: slash benefits for the vulnerable to cut taxes for the rich. And it was desperately unpopular.

Meanwhile, things have moved very slowly on the economic nationalism front — partly because a bit of reality struck, as export industries realized what was at stake and retailers and others balked at the notion of new import taxes. But also, there were very few actual voices for that policy with Trump’s ear — mainly Bannon, as far as I can tell.

So if Bannon is out, what’s left? It’s just reverse Robin Hood with extra racism.

On real policy, in other words, Trump is now bankrupt. If anything, Trumpism is going to get even uglier, and Trump even less presidential (if such a thing is possible) now that he has fewer people pushing for trade wars.

https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/whither-trumpism/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 19, 2017 2:09 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Meh... more MSM speculation.

Kinda getting bored of listening to the opinions of overpaid shills.

I'll just wait and see how it all plays out. I doesn't matter much to me.
I don't want to see Trump gone because I'm making money. But there is another reason: as lesson for Republican voters.

You lost me there. There is absolutely no reason to read the rest of your thought when you say that.

The alternative was Hillary. Period.

I'm not a Republican and I don't only vote Republican. I'm one of the people who actually vote in mid-terms and I know a bit about my local politics and I'm pretty 50/50 when it comes to local stuff.

Hillary and the idea of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton Status Quo continuing was fucking scary. Scary enough for somebody like Trump to get voted in.

Maybe the Democrats learned a lesson here and you'll have a real candidate that I could get behind next time.

All evidence up to now points to the contrary, but you've got 3 1/2 years to fix your party.

SECOND

Saturday, August 19, 2017 4:01 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Hillary and the idea of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton Status Quo continuing was fucking scary. Scary enough for somebody like Trump to get voted in.

Maybe the Democrats learned a lesson here and you'll have a real candidate that I could get behind next time.

All evidence up to now points to the contrary, but you've got 3 1/2 years to fix your party.

You learned nothing, didn't you? You think you were breaking the status quo, but you voted for a Republican and you got a Republican with twist. For here’s the situation: a president who never meant it when he swore to defend the Constitution. He violates that oath just about every day and is never going to get any better.

A person who pauses to think about the matter has good reason to doubt the sincerity of Trump’s oath of office, or even his capacity to swear an oath sincerely at all.
www.lawfareblog.com/what-happens-when-we-dont-believe-presidents-oath

But a third of the country still approves of Trump — and that third amounts to a huge majority of the G.O.P. base. So all we get from the vast majority of elected Republicans are off-the-record expressions of “dismay” or denunciations of bigotry that somehow fail to name the bigot in chief.

It’s not just that Republicans fear primary challenges from candidates pandering to the racist right. Trump is already supporting challengers to Republicans he considers insufficiently loyal to Trump.

The fact is that white supremacists have long been a key if unacknowledged part of the G.O.P. coalition, and Republicans need those votes to win general elections. Given the profiles in cowardice they’ve presented so far, it’s hard to imagine anything — including evidence of collusion with a foreign power — that would make them risk losing those voters’ support.

So the odds are that we’re stuck with a malevolent, incompetent president whom nobody knowledgeable respects. If so, we have to hope that our country somehow stumbles through the next year and a half without catastrophe, because so far there has not even been the very first crisis, and that the midterm elections transform the political calculus and make the Constitution great again.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 19, 2017 4:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You learned nothing, didn't you?

There's nothing to learn. I didn't even take a gamble. Hillary was the status quo and that was bad. Trump looks like he might end up being more of the same. No positive or negative change if that's the case.

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You think you were breaking the status quo, but you voted for a Republican and you got a Republican with twist. For here’s the situation: a president who never meant it when he swore to defend the Constitution. He violates that oath just about every day and is never going to get any better.

That's how you see it. Okay. It's not any different than any president has handled the Constitution since I've been old enough to vote if that's the case.

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A person who pauses to think about the matter has good reason to doubt the sincerity of Trump’s oath of office, or even his capacity to swear an oath sincerely at all.

I don't believe any of them when they say anything. It will be a shame if 4 or 8 years of Trump turns out just as bad as the last string of presidents we've had are, but they were no different than what you're explaining now.

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But a third of the country still approves of Trump — and that third amounts to a huge majority of the G.O.P. base. So all we get from the vast majority of elected Republicans are off-the-record expressions of “dismay” or denunciations of bigotry that somehow fail to name the bigot in chief.

I don't disapprove of Trump at this juncture. Nothing he has really done so far sticks out to make me go out of my way to approve of him either. Call me ambivolant.

As for bigotry, we've had a very strong anti-white and anti-male stance in government for the last decade or so. You seem to fall into that category as well. I don't consider anything that Trump is doing bigoted.

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It’s not just that Republicans fear primary challenges from candidates pandering to the racist right. Trump is already supporting challengers to Republicans he considers insufficiently loyal to Trump.

It's not racist to be proud to be white. There are shades of gray and I'm getting pretty tired of anyone from the left immediately calling you a Nazi if you don't express your guilt for being white on a daily basis.

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The fact is that white supremacists have long been a key if unacknowledged part of the G.O.P. coalition, and Republicans need those votes to win general elections. Given the profiles in cowardice they’ve presented so far, it’s hard to imagine anything — including evidence of collusion with a foreign power — that would make them risk losing those voters’ support.

I don't think there are nearly as many "white supremacists" out there as people like you claim there are. But when you're part of a party that continually goes out of their way to take from white people, cut them down, and do your best to unite everyone else against them as if the average white
American has any real power or privilege, then don't be surprised when white people who aren't privileged like you stand up and tell you to fuck off.

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So the odds are that we’re stuck with a malevolent, incompetent president whom nobody knowledgeable respects.

I've seen no proof at all that Trump is malevolent. Jury is still out about his competency, but I'm not going to take it from somebody like you who has attacked him since the months leading up to the election.

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If so, we have to hope that our country somehow stumbles through the next year and a half without catastrophe, because so far there has not even been the very first crisis, and that the midterm elections transform the political calculus and make the Constitution great again.

I think you forget that there were times recently where the Democrats had a majority and that wasn't good for the country either. It would be more easy for me to take you at all seriously if eve

SECOND

Saturday, August 19, 2017 5:55 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I think you forget that there were times recently where the Democrats had a majority and that wasn't good for the country either. It would be more easy for me to take you at all seriously if everything you said wasn't from such a biased slant. I don't think it's possible though because your opinions are all built atop that ivory tower built on billions of oil that it's sitting on.

You have absolutely no idea what a normal person deals with on a day to day basis.

6stringJoker, you dumped your guts here. It is grotesque. I will pick one obvious and real world difference between Democrats and Republicans, both voters, politicians, and Trump. One side disbelieves in the greenhouse gas effect. Eventually one side will be proven to have been always wrong. More interesting are the murky psychological reasons why one side chose to be wrong. Even though one side has not yet been proven to be disastrously wrong and even though the entire world has already decided differently, those psychological reasons will still be controlling that one side long after the final proof arrives that forces a flip-flop on one side.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 19, 2017 7:35 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
6stringJoker, you dumped your guts here. It is grotesque.

Clarify.

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I will pick one obvious and real world difference between Democrats and Republicans, both voters, politicians, and Trump.

Okay.

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One side disbelieves in the greenhouse gas effect. Eventually one side will be proven to have been always wrong.

Right.

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More interesting are the murky psychological reasons why one side chose to be wrong.

Wrong about what?

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Even though one side has not yet been proven to be disastrously wrong and even though the entire world has already decided differently, those psychological reasons will still be controlling that one side long after the final proof arrives that forces a flip-flop on one side.

Oh. You mean the greenhouse effect. So you've already decided it then. I didn't know where you were going with that.

I don't have an opinion about it. I have no power to do anything about it, and I won't be alive if it all goes horribly wrong.

All the virtue signalers that pretend to care about it while simultaneously benefiting from everything our modern society has grown accustomed to that contributes to global warming I find quite amusing.

I can't prove it, but I'd bet that your carbon footprint is at least 10 times that of mine. That grows exponentially if you have children.

SECOND

Saturday, August 19, 2017 6:01 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I don't have an opinion about it. I have no power to do anything about it, and I won't be alive if it all goes horribly wrong.

All the virtue signalers that pretend to care about it while simultaneously benefiting from everything our modern society has grown accustomed to that contributes to global warming I find quite amusing.

I can't prove it, but I'd bet that your carbon footprint is at least 10 times that of mine. That grows exponentially if you have children.

"I don't have an opinion about it." I've heard that many times in Texas from Republicans, at least the smarter ones. The dumber ones always have an opinion. Can you guess what it is?

Sometimes a Republican needs a pulsing red circle of data to understand how abnormally hot Earth is getting.
https://qz.com/1057666

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 19, 2017 6:30 PM (P)

I honestly do not have any opinion about it.

I do what I can personally to not contribute any more than possible, which is much more than most Americans of any political affiliation do.

There ends the extent of my power to end global warming from where I'm sitting.

How many miles have you and your employees put on your vehicles this year? Your children?

According to a recent check with my insurance agent, in the last 4 years I've put less than 6,000 miles on my car.

Just sayin...

SECOND

Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:32 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I honestly do not have any opinion about it.

I do what I can personally to not contribute any more than possible, which is much more than most Americans of any political affiliation do.

There ends the extent of my power to end global warming from where I'm sitting.

How many miles have you and your employees put on your vehicles this year? Your children?

According to a recent check with my insurance agent, in the last 4 years I've put less than 6,000 miles on my car.

Just sayin...

So you have no opinion, but despite that you are minimizing your waste because waste costs money. If carbon dioxide was a solid waste like household garbage, and Trump was the mayor of America who outlawed city garbage trucks and closed the city dump, then the piles of garbage would get Mayor Trump recalled from office, eventually, when the stink got bad enough in late summer. But for now Trump can play games:

Trump wrote, "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." Trump wrote, "This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bullshit has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps, and our GW scientists are stuck in ice."

When asked on TV about Global Warming, Trump said, "I did not. I did not. I do not say that."

www.newsweek.com/what-has-trump-said-about-global-warming-quotes-clima
te-change-paris-agreement-618898

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Sunday, August 20, 2017 7:16 PM (P)

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:46 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I honestly do not have any opinion about it.

I do what I can personally to not contribute any more than possible, which is much more than most Americans of any political affiliation do.

There ends the extent of my power to end global warming from where I'm sitting.

How many miles have you and your employees put on your vehicles this year? Your children?

According to a recent check with my insurance agent, in the last 4 years I've put less than 6,000 miles on my car.

Just sayin...
So you have no opinion, but despite that you are minimizing your waste because waste costs money. If carbon dioxide was a solid waste like household garbage, and Trump was the mayor of America who outlawed city garbage trucks and closed the city dump, then the piles of garbage would get Mayor Trump recalled from office, eventually, when the stink got bad enough in late summer. But for now Trump can play games:

Trump wrote, "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." Trump wrote, "This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bullshit has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps, and our GW scientists are stuck in ice."

When asked on TV about Global Warming, Trump said, "I did not. I did not. I do not say that."

www.newsweek.com/what-has-trump-said-about-global-warming-quotes-clima
te-change-paris-agreement-618898

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

There's no argument that adhering to global warming commitments while at the same time purchasing goods from a country that doesn't is not only bad for our economy, but it completely undermines the effort.

Like I said... People will be people, and people want all the stuff they've grown accustomed to.

I don't deny that we aren't doing the environment any favors. I'm not going to pretend that I know enough about it to have a real opinion on about it though.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head with me though. My small carbon footprint is more about not wasting money than anything else. In the end on a big picture scale, money is the only way that it's going to get done.

I don't know what the answer to that is, and even if I did I'm powerless to do anything about it. I could tell you right now that it would probably wreck our economy if we closed trade with China until they had at least the same standards as we did.

SECOND

Monday, August 21, 2017 12:21 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

You pretty much hit the nail on the head with me though. My small carbon footprint is more about not wasting money than anything else. In the end on a big picture scale, money is the only way that it's going to get done.

I don't know what the answer to that is, and even if I did I'm powerless to do anything about it. I could tell you right now that it would probably wreck our economy if we closed trade with China until they had at least the same standards as we did.

I pay twice for almost everything: once when I buy and again for garbage pickup. Fuel is an exception. I only pay once, but burning fuel makes megatons of waste. Invisible waste, nearly transparent CO2. There was a scheme to pay for taking care of that waste: a carbon tax on fuel. I am under the impression that there are NO Republicans, certainly NOT Trump, willing to pay a carbon tax to handle their waste. They prefer to dump it into the air and let the rest of the world take care of it for them for free.

The Chinese do what Trump won’t. Why would Trump since global warming is a myth?
Why China Is Dominating the Solar Industry
www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-china-is-dominating-the-solar-i
ndustry/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, August 21, 2017 1:10 AM (P)

Again... I have no opinion on it and no power to do anything about it.

How are you enjoying that air conditioning in your mansion today?

I haven't used A/C since I was a kid and my parents had it. I keep my house thermostat at 58 degrees in the winter and wear more clothes. I drive about 1,500 miles a year.

The only thing more I can do about the environment is die, and eventually that too will happen.

JO753

Wednesday, August 23, 2017 6:52 AM (P)

Kieth Olberman thinks Trump iz going to rezine soon.

The last few weeks hav been ominously quiet on Russia newz. I thot it wuz mainly kuz uv Trump providing distractionz, but maybe therez more to it.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:39 AM (P)

Yup. Maybe.

JO753

Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:01 PM (P)

looks like there iz alot more to it:

I'm feeling better about my 50 buks now.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:15 PM (P)

Yeah, the story is that Trump asked McConnell why he didn't intervene in the Russia investigation. Apparently he wanted McConnell to dismantle the Judiciary and Intelligence Committees regarding the Russia probe.

They're laying the blame at Trump's doorstep, and Mueller may call McConnell, and others, to testify as to the particulars of the phone call by Trump to McConnell. Apparently it was a profanity laden temper tantrum by Trump pressuring McConnell.

Oh, and this little leak was produced by McConnell's staff. McConnell is a shrewd operator, he will not publicly shame Trump, but will submit a threat to his political career. Obstruction of justice in regards to the Senate Majority leader, both houses are protected under the law. If it's true and Mueller investigates - all the rallies in the world won't help Trump.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
looks like there iz alot more to it:

I'm feeling better about my 50 buks now.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

SECOND

Wednesday, August 23, 2017 5:09 PM (P)

If only Trump could buy Senators McConnell and McCain's loyalty with money, as Trump could do in real estate, but his standard operating procedure in business would look like bribing a Congressman, which is a crime.

It must be very frustrating for Trump to operate for the first time in an environment where every move is scrutinized by hostile lawyers. President Truman warned Trump if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Trump must not have paid attention because he was always talking, never listening.

www.dictionary.com/browse/if-you-can-t-stand-the-heat--get-out-of-the-
kitchen

I see why Trump does not learn when Senator McConnell tells him a fact: Researchers tested to see whether politicians changed their prior beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence, and the results were pretty depressing.

The study, published in the British Journal of Political Science, set out to answer two questions: Does evidence help politicians make informed decisions, even if it challenges their beliefs? And does providing more evidence increase the likelihood of politicians accepting that evidence?

Julian Christensen, a political science researcher at Aarhus University in Denmark, wasn’t particularly surprised to find that a politician’s prior belief affects how they interpret factual information — that much has been shown before. But he was taken back when he saw that politicians doubled down when they were given even more evidence that goes against their prior beliefs. “That was a surprise for us,” he says, adding, “It’s also kind of depressing.”

More at https://qz.com/1059352

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, August 25, 2017 1:20 PM (P)

Here's another little morsel from the Judiciary Committee:

After hours of grueling testimony, the Judiciary Committee is contemplating releasing the Dossier compiled by the British Intelligence spy. Apparently there are a number of factual points that have been verified with more to come.

The attorneys for the British Spy have given the okay to release the Dossier to the public, as requested at a Town Hall meeting with Senator Grassly. He did not oppose releasing said documents, pending legal clearance.

This is getting more and more interesting. Well, I look at it this way, Trump can say, with all conviction, that he is the biggest liar and crook in these here United States. He will live in infamy. Nixon will have to step aside as the biggest crook.

Make way for his royal blubberness!

SGG

JO753

Friday, August 25, 2017 4:41 PM (P)

I hav the dossier. You can get it. Its a pdf available online.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-All
egations.html

The committee iz debating wether to release the transcript uv the testimony.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

SECOND

Saturday, August 26, 2017 3:56 AM (P)

I think this is funny because he is so clueless when he acts like it is none of his business: Trump to Texas as Hurricane Harvey approaches: "Good luck to everybody"
Updated by Jeff Stein Aug 25, 2017, 5:00pm EDT

Hurricane Harvey is predicted to dump more than 30 inches of rain and wreak havoc on the Texas coast from Friday evening into the weekend.

www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/25/16206466/hurricane-harvey-tex
as-trump

Even funnier, and even more clueless, is Trump saying that digging into his finances would be a "violation" of the Mueller investigation's limits. Every single time Trump says this, he is screaming to high heaven "I Am A Tax Cheater!"

"If you're looking at Russian collusion, the president’s tax returns would be outside that investigation," an adviser to the president told the Post.

But legal experts say Trump's financial history and business dealings are properly within the scope of the probe.

www.businessinsider.com/trump-tax-returns-finances-russia-mueller-2017
-7
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/21/trumps-business-of-corruption

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 26, 2017 4:32 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I think this is funny because he is so clueless when he acts like it is none of his business: Trump to Texas as Hurricane Harvey approaches: "Good luck to everybody"
Updated by Jeff Stein Aug 25, 2017, 5:00pm EDT

Hurricane Harvey is predicted to dump more than 30 inches of rain and wreak havoc on the Texas coast from Friday evening into the weekend.

Jesus Christ... slow news day, huh Second?

Quote:
Even funnier, and even more clueless, is Trump saying that digging into his finances would be a "violation" of the Mueller investigation's limits. Every single time Trump says this, he is screaming to high heaven "I Am A Tax Cheater!"

"If you're looking at Russian collusion, the president’s tax returns would be outside that investigation," an adviser to the president told the Post.

But legal experts say Trump's financial history and business dealings are properly within the scope of the probe.

That's all subjective. You nor I nor anybody involved in writing that story or the supposed legal experts can comment on it at this point.

It likely will be an issue to be brought up in courts, and then it will be decided.

I wouldn't hold your breath that you're ever going to see what's inside of them though. I seriously doubt you'd understand any of it anyhow.

SECOND

Saturday, August 26, 2017 6:28 AM (P)

Just pointing out that Trump is in charge of FEMA and Hurricane Harvey, but very similar to Bush and Hurricane Katrina, Trump doesn't act as if it is his responsibility. He will be golfing, instead, leaving his crackerjack team with his responsibilities.

AS HURRICANE HARVEY APPROACHES, TRUMP APPOINTS DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF WHO FAILED TO PREPARE FOR KATRINA
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/25/kirstjen-nielsen-dhs/

Nielsen held the title of senior director for preparedness and response at the White House Security Council.

The Senate report “Hurricane Katrina: A Nation Still Unprepared” names Nielsen as among the key administration figures who failed to act on early warnings about the storm. A related bipartisan report from the House of Representatives on the government’s botched response to Katrina, “A Failure of Initiative,” similarly criticized Nielsen.

While serving in the Bush White House, the Senate report notes, Nielsen received an email from emergency planning officials six months before the storm in February 2005 warning that flooding in New Orleans “could cause similar devastation” as the tsunami that had devastated Southeast Asia the previous year.

Throughout August 27 and August 28, before the storm made landfall, Nielsen and other senior Bush aides received a flow of reports from DHS about the growing strength of Katrina, including a warning that floodwaters could overtop New Orleans’ levees. “Any storm rated Category 4 or greater,” one email from the Homeland Security Operations Center sent on August 28 warned, “will likely lead to severe flooding and/or levee breaching. This could leave the New Orleans area being submerged for weeks or months. … The magnitude of this storm is expected to cause massive flooding.”

Nielsen, the House report points out, headed Bush’s Homeland Security Council for Prevention, Preparedness and Response directorate, a team designed to relay information from disaster response agencies to the president.

Bush and his senior aides did not act on the warnings. On Saturday, August 27, Bush spent the day vacationing at his Crawford, Texas ranch. The following Monday, August 29, the president attended events in Arizona and California as the storm reached U.S. shores, joining Arizona Senator John McCain for McCain’s birthday celebration.

“Despite the clear warnings before landfall that Katrina would be catastrophic, the President and the White House staff were not sufficiently engaged and failed to initiate a sufficiently strong and proactive response,” the Senate report concluded.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I think this is funny because he is so clueless when he acts like it is none of his business: Trump to Texas as Hurricane Harvey approaches: "Good luck to everybody"
Updated by Jeff Stein Aug 25, 2017, 5:00pm EDT

Hurricane Harvey is predicted to dump more than 30 inches of rain and wreak havoc on the Texas coast from Friday evening into the weekend.

Jesus Christ... slow news day, huh Second?

Quote:
Even funnier, and even more clueless, is Trump saying that digging into his finances would be a "violation" of the Mueller investigation's limits. Every single time Trump says this, he is screaming to high heaven "I Am A Tax Cheater!"

"If you're looking at Russian collusion, the president’s tax returns would be outside that investigation," an adviser to the president told the Post.

But legal experts say Trump's financial history and business dealings are properly within the scope of the probe.

That's all subjective. You nor I nor anybody involved in writing that story or the supposed legal experts can comment on it at this point.

It likely will be an issue to be brought up in courts, and then it will be decided.

I wouldn't hold your breath that you're ever going to see what's inside of them though. I seriously doubt you'd understand any of it anyhow.

The Joss Whedon scrip

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 26, 2017 6:49 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Just pointing out that Trump is in charge of FEMA and Hurricane Harvey, but very similar to Bush and Hurricane Katrina, Trump doesn't act as if it is his responsibility. He will be golfing, instead, leaving his crackerjack team with his responsibilities.

What you want him should do? Pray to God or do a rain dance?

This is a non-issue and just another means for whatever papers you buy or websites you join to make another quick buck.

I'm sure FEMA can fuck up the situation all on their own. The only thing government is truly good at is taking their taxes.

SECOND

Saturday, August 26, 2017 7:26 AM (P)

6stringJoker, your reply is a variation on the truism: "What can you do about the weather?" One of my employees left a bulldozer at the bottom of an excavation. He could not comprehend why I was blaming him for the dozer being damaged. His excuse went something like this: "It doesn't rain here very often. I never imagined this would happen."

"Trump," I said, "it was your responsibility to move the equipment so it didn't drown. I expected you to fix this even on the weekend. You're fired." The heavy equipment operator was named Trump for this story, but I know him as Jack Ass.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Just pointing out that Trump is in charge of FEMA and Hurricane Harvey, but very similar to Bush and Hurricane Katrina, Trump doesn't act as if it is his responsibility. He will be golfing, instead, leaving his crackerjack team with his responsibilities.

What you want him should do? Pray to God or do a rain dance?

This is a non-issue and just another means for whatever papers you buy or websites you join to make another quick buck.

I'm sure FEMA can fuck up the situation all on their own. The only thing government is truly good at is taking their taxes.

Trump signed an executive order that revokes an earlier executive order by Obama that required recipients of federal funds to strongly consider risk-management standards when building in flood zones, including measures such as elevating structures from the reach of rising water. Obama’s Federal Flood Risk Management Standard, established in 2015, sought to mitigate the risk of flood damage charged to taxpayers when property owners file costly claims.

Evidence shows that every $1 spent on disaster mitigation can save $4 in post-disaster recovery and rebuilding costs. This is just another example of Trump undoing everything Obama did.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/08/15/trump-to-
reverse-obama-era-order-aimed-at-planning-for-climate-change/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:28 AM (P)

Why would recipients of Federal Funds be planning building anything, let alone something on a flood plain? That doesn't even seem like an executive order with a purpose.

I'd get behind one stating that construction of new homes should not be allowed on flood plains. Period. Many local and state laws have already been enacted and are enforced regarding that.

One of the homes I was looking at in the Chicagoland area was like that. I was told by the realtor that the reason the house was so cheap for the area was because it was deemed a flood zone and it needed extensive work. It was legal to put money into restoring the home on the current foundation, but it would have been against the law to knock the house down and build another one.

I know all about planning for the future Second. More than most. That's how I got into the position I'm in now with very limited resources.

Maybe Trump could have spent his day more productively than playing golf, but I don't know what you expect him to personally do about a hurricane.

Chances are it won't be much of an event anyway. Katrina was a tragedy and an anomaly.

All that article was is another hit piece that was targeted to the demographic that already hates Trump and wants something else to bitch about. Mission accomplished, so it would seem.

SECOND

Saturday, August 26, 2017 4:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why would recipients of Federal Funds be planning building anything, let alone something on a flood plain? That doesn't even seem like an executive order with a purpose.

. . .

All that article was is another hit piece that was targeted to the demographic that already hates Trump and wants something else to bitch about. Mission accomplished, so it would seem.

There is all that land in Texas that Republicans want to build upon and then there is all that land that Nature wants to flood. Those two areas overlap. And where they do overlap is a huge expense for the Federal Flood Insurance Program. Trump wants to keep building on land that floods and the Fed Gov keeps paying for flood damage long after Trump is gone. That is why Trump wrote his executive order canceling Obama’s executive order. As a builder, Trump does not pay the cost for flood damage because he sells the building to another sucker (Trump knows there are millions of suckers gullible enough for him to cheat out of their money) who gets flooded. The beauty of Trump’s scam is that the suckers blame the weather, not Trump.

https://communityimpact.com/houston/spring-klein/city-county/2017/08/2
5/harris-county-flood-education-tool-shows-areas-watch-storms/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:21 PM (P)

If that is what he did, I do not agree with it. Obviously unscrupulous builders would want to build on flood plains since the land is generally much cheaper (or at least it is in areas that have laws against building on it anyhow).

I'm going to need more information to make a judgement on this one.

There are no laws in Texas against building on a flood plain?

SECOND

Sunday, August 27, 2017 7:56 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

There are no laws in Texas against building on a flood plain?

Texas is Republican controlled. There are no state laws stopping an unscrupulous builder from selling to a gullible buyer housing in a flood zone. There are federal rules, I mean there were rules until Trump decided differently, preventing the Federal Flood Insurance Program from insuring new houses in flood zones. Houses that also are covered by FHA mortgages must have that insurance.

In other news of "There Ought To Be A Law!" and getting back to something Trump specifically did this week that no President ever tried before, even Nixon in his dreams:

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/26/trump-arpaio-pardon-constituti
on-white-house-officials

Bradley Moss, a national security attorney, argued: “By demonstrating his willingness to issue pardons without bothering with the trouble of bureaucratic due diligence or concerns about political backlash, President Trump has sent out a subtle and implicit message to [Michael] Flynn and [Paul] Manafort: hang tight, I have your back.

“He undoubtedly is attempting to forestall either of the two men (or their subordinates) from cooperating with Mueller beyond what’s legally required, with the unspoken reassurance hanging over the investigation that the president can wipe their criminal slates clean if Mueller gets too close.”

Trump reportedly did not consult the justice department before issuing the pardon which, along with being unusually early in a presidency, came just weeks after the court decision and well before Arpaio’s appeal or sentencing.

Martin Redish, a professor of constitutional law at Northwestern University, suggested that this takes Trump into uncharted territory and could leave him vulnerable to a unique legal challenge.

“Should the president indicate that he does not think Mr Arpaio should be punished for that, he would signal that governmental agents who violate judicial injunctions are likely to be pardoned, even though their behavior violated constitutional rights, when their illegal actions are consistent with presidential policies,” Redish wrote in the New York Times, before the pardon was announced.

“Many legal scholars argue that the only possible redress is impeachment – itself a politicized, drawn-out process. But there may be another route. If the pardon is challenged in court, we may discover that there are, in fact, limits to the president’s pardon power after all.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Tuesday, August 29, 2017 1:28 AM (P)

Trump Associate Boasted That Moscow Business Deal ‘Will Get Donald Elected’

“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-associate-boasted-that-mo
scow-business-deal-%E2%80%98will-get-donald-elected%E2%80%99/ar-AAqQQPz?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

THGRRI

Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:13 AM (P)

Suspicious ties between President Donald Trump and the Russian government just keep appearing.

In 2015, a Russian-born real estate broker working for the Trump Organization, Felix Sater, reportedly wrote a series of emails to Michael Cohen, Trump’s lawyer, attempting to broker a deal for a Trump Tower in Moscow. Those emails, obtained by The New York Times on Monday, appear to indicate Sater’s willingness to use a Moscow deal as a way to bolster a Trump presidency.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-associate-moscow-presidency_
us_59a44902e4b0821444c4ea4c

THGRRI

Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:19 AM (P)

Four months into his campaign for president of the United States, Donald Trump signed a “letter of intent” to pursue a Trump Tower-style building development in Moscow, according to a statement from the then-Trump Organization Chief Counsel Michael Cohen.

THGRRI

Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:24 AM (P)

Trump Org official asked Putin's spokesman for help on Moscow Trump Tower project - Report

Trump attorney Michael Cohen, a Trump attorney and executive vice president for the Trump Organization, sent an email in January 2016 to Russian President Vladimir Putin's personal spokesman during the U.S. presidential campaign last year to ask him for help in advancing Mr. Trump's business interests.

According to the Washington Post, documents submitted to Congress Monday include the email from Cohen to Dmitry Peskov, which reportedly says, "Over the past few months I have been working with a company based in Russia regarding the development of a Trump Tower - Moscow project in Moscow City," Cohen wrote, according to the Post, which cited a person familiar with the email. "Without getting into lengthy specifics. the communication between our two sides has stalled."

"As this project is too important, I am hereby requesting your assistance. I respectfully request someone, preferably you, contact me so that I might discuss the specifics as well as arranging meetings with the appropriate individuals. I thank you in advance for your assistance and look forward to hearing from you soon," Cohen wrote.

The email, the Post pointed out, is the most direct interaction yet known between a top Trump employee and a senior member of the Putin government. However, the New York Times' Maggie Haberman tweeted that the email address that Cohen used was a general email press address -- essentially along the lines of a press@kremlin.gov account.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-trump-org-official-asked-putins-sp
okesman-for-help-on-moscow-trump-tower-project/

1KIKI

Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:33 AM (P)

Oops: The New York Times Accidentally Exposed 'The Hillary Clinton-Russia Nexus'!

JOHN MERLINE
5/12/2017

Below is the incredible New York Times editorial* published on Thursday that lays out the case for how the Hillary Clinton campaign was colluding with the Russian government, and then tried to cover it up by blaming her election loss on Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The Hillary Clinton-Russia Nexus

The acting director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe, told Congress on Thursday that President Trump's firing of James Comey has not derailed the agency's investigation into possible collusion between Russia and the Hillary Clinton campaign. Which is good news. Despite Mrs. Clinton's assertion that the idea of collusion is "a total hoax," and despite many unknowns, the links continue to pile up. Here is a partial accounting of the connections we do know something about.

THE CLINTON FAMILY BUSINESS There may be no Clinton Foundation office in Moscow or St. Petersburg, but it is not for lack of trying. Bill Clinton received half a million dollars in 2010 for a speech he gave in Moscow, paid by a Russian firm, Renaissance Capital, that has ties to Russian intelligence. The Clinton Foundation took money from Russian officials and oligarchs, including Victor Kekselberg, a Putin confidant. The Foundation also received millions of dollars from Uranium One, which was sold to the Russian government in 2010, giving Russia control of 20% of the uranium deposits in the U.S. — the sale required approval from Hillary Clinton's State Department. What's more, at least some of these donations weren't disclosed. "Ian Telfer, the head of the Russian government's uranium company, Uranium One, made four foreign donations totaling $2.35 million to the Clinton Foundation. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all such donors," the Times has reported.

JOHN PODESTA In March — that is, long after the election was over — it was revealed that Mrs. Clinton's campaign chairman had failed to disclose the receipt of 75,000 shares of stock from a Kremlin-financed company — Joule Unlimited — for which he served as director from 2010 to 2014, when he joined the Obama White House in 2014. Podesta apparently had a large chunk of the shares transferred to "Leonidio Holdings, a brand-new entity he incorporated only on Dec. 20, 2013, about 10 days before he entered the White House," according to a news account.

TONY PODESTA Mr. Podesta's brother, who has close personal and business relations with Mrs. Clinton, was "key lobbyist on behalf of Sberbank, according to Senate lobbying disclosure forms. His firm received more than $24 million in fees in 2016, much of it coming from foreign governments, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics," a March news story reported. The bank was "seeking to end one of the Obama administration's economic sanctions against that country." The report goes on to note that "Podesta's efforts were a key part of under-the-radar lobbying during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign led mainly by veteran Democratic strategists to remove sanctions against Sberbank and VTB Capital, Russia's second largest bank." Mr. Obama imposed the sanctions following the Russian seizure of the Crimean region of Ukraine in 2014.

JOHN BREAUX Forbes magazine reports that Mr. Breaux, a former Senator from Louisiana who cut radio ads for Mrs. Clinton's 2008 campaign, represents Gazprombank GPB, a subsidiary of Russia's third largest bank, on "banking laws and regulations, including applicable sanctions."

THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN In March, Mr. Putin's spokesman said that Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak met with members of Mrs. Clinton's campaign several times while she was running for president in 2016. Further, the campaign n

THGRRI

Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:38 AM (P)

Hillary is not the president kiki, she's gone. Besides, two wrongs don't make a right. Besides, it looks like Trump is going to be impeached, go to jail, Hillary's not. Besides, the purpose of your post is to deflect comrade. Besides, you don't post any links to back up your accusations. I'll post it for you. A right wing conservative blog dumping ground.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=65ib0ginb1nn8i4gld4
d0ic793&;

SECOND

Tuesday, August 29, 2017 7:19 PM (P)

Four months into his campaign for President of the United States, Donald Trump signed a “letter of intent” to pursue a Trump Tower-style building development in Moscow, according to a statement from the then-Trump Organization chief counsel, Michael Cohen.

….The involvement of then-candidate Trump in a proposed Russian skyscraper deal contradicts repeated statements Trump made during the campaign, including telling ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that his business had “no relationship to Russia whatsoever.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-knew-moscow-tower-proposal-campai
gn-lawyer/story?id=49472342

To Trump this is all meaningless. It’s not a matter of whether his words are truthful, but whether his words work. Since he won the election, that means his words were the right ones to use.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:28 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Besides, it looks like Trump is going to be impeached, go to jail...

THGRRI

Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:50 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Besides, it looks like Trump is going to be impeached, go to jail...

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I hope you're ready for that. Cause it's coming.

THGRRI

Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:53 AM (P)

Tick Tock Trump lovers, tick tock.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, September 17, 2017 9:08 PM (P)

I'm going to file whatever happens under "don't give a shit".

Good luck on your "win".

Do me a favor and please keep us updated on just how "great" everything gets if you get your way.

Me, I'm not hopeful that anything is really going to improve no matter what happens.

SECOND

Monday, September 18, 2017 10:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:

I look forward to this swamp being drained real soon.

What happens next? Trump’s base won’t accept his departure as Nixon’s did, because Trump himself will be egging them on to see his eviction from the White House as the worst injustice ever perpetrated in America’s — in any country’s — history.

The German word for this is Dolchstoss. That was the myth, wildly popular in right-wing German circles after 1918, that they would have won the First World War if only they’d gotten the chance. Instead, the Kaiser’s proud army was “stabbed in the back” by cunning Jews, craven politicos, and other such dubiously cosmopolitan, non-Junker types.

America’s own pre-eminent Dolchstoss myth explains our defeat in Vietnam in similar terms. Ronald Reagan swore by it. When Sylvester Stallone’s Rambo asked, “Do we get to win this time?” before heading back to ’Nam for revenge, in one of the signature movies of the Reagan years, nobody needed to ask who had stood in the way of victory: hippie peaceniks, morale-undermining journalists, pinheaded rad-lib intellectuals, “Hanoi Jane” Fonda and her fellow Hollywood pinkos, and George McGovern, among others.

The Dolchstoss myth that’s sure to take hold if Trump is impeached or quits under pressure will be virulent. The tale his devotees will raise their children to swear by will describe the nefarious way that coastal elites, partisan Democrats, the liberal media, and a whole slew of other pseudo-Americans — from Muslims relishing our surprise introduction to sharia law to transgender weirdos, man-hating feminists, and America-hating Obama zombies, not to mention pusillanimous establishment Republicans — all conspired to deprive them of the greatest president ever: the only one they felt ever spoke for them. There will be talk of armed insurrection. Aspiring Dylann Roofs will look for an enemy headquarters to shoot up. It will be ugly.

Trump will love it. Since he has no concern for the country’s greater good, he’ll do everything he can to keep his base’s passions choleric. He already dotes on being their red-capped messiah, but their martyred Christ? He will be the greatest person ever to be anybody’s martyred Christ.

https://newrepublic.com/article/144522/alwaystrump-no-matter-president
-leaves-white-house-never-rid-trump-represents-america

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, September 18, 2017 12:55 PM (P)

Unfortunately, that's exactly what I believe will transpire, with the help of the media (all of them, not just the so-called MSM), they just can't help themselves; high ratings will be too tempting.

But yeah, the whole Fake News ploy will be taken to greater heights and his base will become the new "patriots" charging forth as though to war. This could get ugly fast.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by G:

I look forward to this swamp being drained real soon.
What happens next? Trump’s base won’t accept his departure as Nixon’s did, because Trump himself will be egging them on to see his eviction from the White House as the worst injustice ever perpetrated in America’s — in any country’s — history.

The German word for this is Dolchstoss. That was the myth, wildly popular in right-wing German circles after 1918, that they would have won the First World War if only they’d gotten the chance. Instead, the Kaiser’s proud army was “stabbed in the back” by cunning Jews, craven politicos, and other such dubiously cosmopolitan, non-Junker types.

America’s own pre-eminent Dolchstoss myth explains our defeat in Vietnam in similar terms. Ronald Reagan swore by it. When Sylvester Stallone’s Rambo asked, “Do we get to win this time?” before heading back to ’Nam for revenge, in one of the signature movies of the Reagan years, nobody needed to ask who had stood in the way of victory: hippie peaceniks, morale-undermining journalists, pinheaded rad-lib intellectuals, “Hanoi Jane” Fonda and her fellow Hollywood pinkos, and George McGovern, among others.

The Dolchstoss myth that’s sure to take hold if Trump is impeached or quits under pressure will be virulent. The tale his devotees will raise their children to swear by will describe the nefarious way that coastal elites, partisan Democrats, the liberal media, and a whole slew of other pseudo-Americans — from Muslims relishing our surprise introduction to sharia law to transgender weirdos, man-hating feminists, and America-hating Obama zombies, not to mention pusillanimous establishment Republicans — all conspired to deprive them of the greatest president ever: the only one they felt ever spoke for them. There will be talk of armed insurrection. Aspiring Dylann Roofs will look for an enemy headquarters to shoot up. It will be ugly.

Trump will love it. Since he has no concern for the country’s greater good, he’ll do everything he can to keep his base’s passions choleric. He already dotes on being their red-capped messiah, but their martyred Christ? He will be the greatest person ever to be anybody’s martyred Christ.

https://newrepublic.com/article/144522/alwaystrump-no-matter-president
-leaves-white-house-never-rid-trump-represents-america

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, September 18, 2017 2:35 PM (P)

It's going to be pretty easy to see Trump as a martyr if he's booted without any truly damning evidence. You people and the MSM have been attacking him since November 9th without missing a single day.

You want him out so bad that you will believe any story that comes from any source, no matter how dubious or "anonymous".

The only way you're going to avoid having a big fight on your hands is if you catch Trump red handed with a huge spotlight on it for everybody to see. Some random claims of Russian collaboration without any proof to back them up isn't going to cut it.

I'm still waiting for any proof of anything. I'm not saying that he didn't do anything, because I don't know. All I'm saying is that if he were being prosecuted right now and I was on the jury he wouldn't be getting a guilty verdict from me at this point.

SECOND

Monday, September 18, 2017 6:05 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

The only way you're going to avoid having a big fight on your hands is if you catch Trump red handed with a huge spotlight on it for everybody to see. Some random claims of Russian collaboration without any proof to back them up isn't going to cut it.

I'm still waiting for any proof of anything. I'm not saying that he didn't do anything, because I don't know. All I'm saying is that if he were being prosecuted right now and I was on the jury he wouldn't be getting a guilty verdict from me at this point.

Forget Russia. The real crime in the real world is Trump owes $1 billion in back taxes and penalties. Can't know how much he owes because his tax returns are a great, big secret he doesn't want touched. But his voters will say he only violated some arcane technicalities and, therefore, his real estate fortune should be untouched by the IRS, which is part of the "Deep State", anyway. Once Trump pardons himself for tax evasion, his voters will be burning IRS buildings in righteous fury against potential forced sales of Trump's golf courses to pay his tax bill. Trump will love every second of chaos!

There are two things to know about Trumpian con artists: One, they’re having fun; two, once a bluffer tastes the sweet satisfaction of scamming a sucker — one’s born every minute, you know — he can’t stop. Once Trump realized people will buy his brand of unction he won’t be able to resist tweeting "I'm being persecuted by an out-of-control IRS and the Deep State!" He'd tweet Americans to delay paying their taxes as part of a protest at the unfair treatment Trump is receiving from the IRS - he is that kind of President - and then his spokesman will walk it back 4 hours later. No matter what he says or does, people of good (and not so good) faith will don (as they have donned in the campaign) their protective glasses and refuse to see that Trump's violations are more than technicalities.

www.npr.org/2017/07/07/536018496/exiting-ethics-chief-walter-shaub-cal
ls-trump-white-house-a-disappointment

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Monday, September 18, 2017 6:49 PM (P)

LOL... I forgot about Russia a long time ago.

Is this just another made up story, or does Trump owe 1 Billion in back taxes? I can't be bothered to pay any attention anymore at this point.

If he does, the IRS already knew about it years before the presidential bid and I think he would have gone to prison or had some sort of Ruby Ridge style shootout at Trump Tower.

If he does, I'm okay with Trump going down, so long as every politician who was tied to him getting away with it for all of these years goes down as well. There's no way he got away with that on his own without plenty of political help, and given that he was a lifelong Democrat before running for president that's most likely going to be a lot of current and former Democrats going down with him.

THGRRI

Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:52 AM (P)

Tick Tock

1KIKI

Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Forget Russia. It was never anything but a ginned-up pretext anyway.

And it was only the first effort in a coup.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

6STRINGJOKER

Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:31 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Tick Tock

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Tick Tock Trump lovers, tick tock.
It does seem soon, doesn't it? There are so many threads being pulled right now, so many arms being twisted, the main question seems to be "how many?"
I watched a bit of Sarah Huckabee Sanders press insult session yesterday. Not unlike her predecessor, she was full of denials, deflections, and outright "opinion/lies". I suppose you act like your boss and in this case, you end up with a nest of thugs and liars.

http://www.newsweek.com/did-sarah-huckabee-sanders-break-law-jemele-hi
ll-statement-former-government-664604

DID SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS BREAK LAW WITH JEMELE HILL STATEMENT? FORMER GOVERNMENT ETHICS CHIEF WEIGHS IN

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was in dubious legal territory on Wednesday when she essentially called for ESPN host Jemele Hill to be fired, according to former Office of Government Ethics Director Walter Shaub.

Hill recently called President Donald Trump a "white supremacist" in a tweet, which Sanders described as a "fireable offense" during a press conference on Wednesday.

Subsequently, Shaub tweeted an "interesting law on the books."

: cited law :
This law essentially states certain government employees -- including the president, vice president and "any other executive branch employee" -- are prohibited from influencing the employment decisions or practices of a private entity (such as ESPN) "solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation."

Breaking this law can lead to a fine or imprisonment up to 15 years -- possibly both -- and could lead to disqualification from "holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States."

But the specific language of the law he tweeted "doesn't criminalize today's remarks" because Sanders' comment wasn't "solely" related to partisan political affiliation, Shaub explained. "But it certainly highlights the inappropriateness of using federal authority to influence private employment decisions. Another important norm down the drain," he added.

In short, Sanders doesn't appear to have broken any laws with her statement, but it was quite bizarre for her to call for the dismissal of a Trump critic."

I look forward to this swamp being drained real soon.

watching Libtards salivate is really not appetizing theater. This is quite pathetic.
Only 242 days gone by so far. Eat some saltines.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oops: The New York Times Accidentally Exposed 'The Hillary Clinton-Russia Nexus'!

JOHN MERLINE
5/12/2017

Below is the incredible New York Times editorial* published on Thursday that lays out the case for how the Hillary Clinton campaign was colluding with the Russian government, and then tried to cover it up by blaming her election loss on Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The Hillary Clinton-Russia Nexus

The acting director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe, told Congress on Thursday that President Trump's firing of James Comey has not derailed the agency's investigation into possible collusion between Russia and the Hillary Clinton campaign. Which is good news. Despite Mrs. Clinton's assertion that the idea of collusion is "a total hoax," and despite many unknowns, the links continue to pile up. Here is a partial accounting of the connections we do know something about.

THE CLINTON FAMILY BUSINESS There may be no Clinton Foundation office in Moscow or St. Petersburg, but it is not for lack of trying. Bill Clinton received half a million dollars in 2010 for a speech he gave in Moscow, paid by a Russian firm, Renaissance Capital, that has ties to Russian intelligence. The Clinton Foundation took money from Russian officials and oligarchs, including Victor Kekselberg, a Putin confidant. The Foundation also received millions of dollars from Uranium One, which was sold to the Russian government in 2010, giving Russia control of 20% of the uranium deposits in the U.S. — the sale required approval from Hillary Clinton's State Department. What's more, at least some of these donations weren't disclosed. "Ian Telfer, the head of the Russian government's uranium company, Uranium One, made four foreign donations totaling $2.35 million to the Clinton Foundation. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all such donors," the Times has reported.

JOHN PODESTA In March — that is, long after the election was over — it was revealed that Mrs. Clinton's campaign chairman had failed to disclose the receipt of 75,000 shares of stock from a Kremlin-financed company — Joule Unlimited — for which he served as director from 2010 to 2014, when he joined the Obama White House in 2014. Podesta apparently had a large chunk of the shares transferred to "Leonidio Holdings, a brand-new entity he incorporated only on Dec. 20, 2013, about 10 days before he entered the White House," according to a news account.

TONY PODESTA Mr. Podesta's brother, who has close personal and business relations with Mrs. Clinton, was "key lobbyist on behalf of Sberbank, according to Senate lobbying disclosure forms. His firm received more than $24 million in fees in 2016, much of it coming from foreign governments, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics," a March news story reported. The bank was "seeking to end one of the Obama administration's economic sanctions against that country." The report goes on to note that "Podesta's efforts were a key part of under-the-radar lobbying during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign led mainly by veteran Democratic strategists to remove sanctions against Sberbank and VTB Capital, Russia's second largest bank." Mr. Obama imposed the sanctions following the Russian seizure of the Crimean region of Ukraine in 2014.

JOHN BREAUX Forbes magazine reports that Mr. Breaux, a former Senator from Louisiana who cut radio ads for Mrs. Clinton's 2008 campaign, represents Gazprombank GPB, a subsidiary of Russia's third largest bank, on "banking laws and regulations, including applicable sanctions."

THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN In March, Mr. Putin's spokesman said that Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak met with members of Mrs. Clinton's campaign several times while she was running for presi

1KIKI

Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:24 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oops: The New York Times Accidentally Exposed 'The Hillary Clinton-Russia Nexus'!

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Why is this not posted in a thread that has some relevance?

People were posting about Trump's alleged Russian ties.

Quote:
The last few weeks hav been ominously quiet on Russia newz. I thot it wuz mainly kuz uv Trump providing distractionz, but maybe therez more to it.

Yeah, the story is that Trump asked McConnell why he didn't intervene in the Russia investigation. Apparently he wanted McConnell to dismantle the Judiciary and Intelligence Committees regarding the Russia probe.

Suspicious ties between President Donald Trump and the Russian government just keep appearing.

Four months into his campaign for president of the United States, Donald Trump signed a “letter of intent” to pursue a Trump Tower-style building development in Moscow, according to a statement from the then-Trump Organization Chief Counsel Michael Cohen.

I was hoping to point out that having business dealings, or even political dealings, with Russia doesn't seem to be illegal or immoral. If it was, then Hillary would have been prosecuted, or at least repeatedly criticized, a long time ago.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oops: The New York Times Accidentally Exposed 'The Hillary Clinton-Russia Nexus'!

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Why is this not posted in a thread that has some relevance?
People were posting about Trump's alleged Russian ties.
Quote:
The last few weeks hav been ominously quiet on Russia newz. I thot it wuz mainly kuz uv Trump providing distractionz, but maybe therez more to it.

Yeah, the story is that Trump asked McConnell why he didn't intervene in the Russia investigation. Apparently he wanted McConnell to dismantle the Judiciary and Intelligence Committees regarding the Russia probe.

Suspicious ties between President Donald Trump and the Russian government just keep appearing.

Four months into his campaign for president of the United States, Donald Trump signed a “letter of intent” to pursue a Trump Tower-style building development in Moscow, according to a statement from the then-Trump Organization Chief Counsel Michael Cohen.
I was hoping to point out that having business dealings, or even political dealings, with Russia doesn't seem to be illegal or immoral. If it was, then Hillary would have been prosecuted, or at least repeatedly criticized, a long time ago.

Your post was a contribution of logic. This thread us devoid of logic, from the beginning, dictated by the premise of the OP.
Don't let your worthwhile contribution get buried or hidden in this wasteland. 8 index pages of drivel have been generated in 242 days, and there are 2680 days remaining in this countdown.

SECOND

Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:18 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

I was hoping to point out that having business dealings, or even political dealings, with Russia doesn't seem to be illegal or immoral. If it was, then Hillary would have been prosecuted, or at least repeatedly criticized, a long time ago.

Your word "seem" is providing all the protective cover because the Trump White House seems to provide no more about its dealings with Russia than it provides about Trump's tax returns. Did you read "How Trump Broke the Office of Government Ethics"?
www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/how-trump-broke-the-office-of-govern
ment-ethics

. . . the notion that anyone in the Trump campaign would have colluded with the Russian government was vehemently denied by the White House. After news of the meeting, which offered clear evidence of, at the very least, a willingness to collude with Russia, the Trump defense on the Russia investigation shifted essentially from no collusion! to collusion isn’t illegal.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, September 20, 2017 3:55 AM (P)

I saw this little thing that could get Trump impeached, strictly because Congressional Republicans might find Trump is not steady enough for the job and Mike Pence would make a better President:

Trump is fully embracing the so-called Madman Theory, in which he makes himself so unpredictable that other world leaders fear setting him off. But that approach isn't without its downsides. Former general David Petraeus described it thusly a few days back:

"There is some merit to this. You can argue perhaps there is some merit to it in international relations, although it obviously can go too far. My concern there with the so-called 'madman theory — that actually (Richard) Nixon put forward through Kissinger where he had Kissinger tell the Soviets, 'You know, Nixon's under a lot of pressure right now and, you know, he drinks at night sometimes, so you guys ought to be real careful. Don't push this into a crisis.' There may, again, be some merit into the madman theory until you get in a crisis. But you do not want the other side thinking you are irrational in a crisis. You do not want the other side thinking that you might be sufficiently irrational to conduct a first strike or to do something, you know, so-called 'unthinkable.'"

Why Trump’s threat to ‘totally destroy’ North Korea is extraordinary — even for him.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/analysis-why-trump%e2%80%99s-threat-to-
%e2%80%98totally-destroy%e2%80%99-north-korea-is-extraordinary-%e2%80%94-even-for-him/ar-AAse1LR?ocid=spartandhp

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:05 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
"Your word "seem" is providing all the protective cover because the Trump White House seems to provide no more about its dealings with Russia "

begging the question, dishonest argumentation

Quote:
Did you read "How Trump Broke the Office of Government Ethics"?
www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/how-trump-broke-the-office-of-govern
ment-ethics

"Whether the meeting itself broke any laws seems debatable"

Your source doesn't support your desire to believe Trump broke the law..

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:06 AM (P)

I am absolutely alright with Trumps statement to North Korea.

I don't think it's a madman thing to say.

SECOND

Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:25 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I am absolutely alright with Trumps statement to North Korea.

I don't think it's a madman thing to say.

So long as it stays as only talk, but if Trump actually does something that drops radioactive fallout on South Korea, the Congressional Republicans might see Mike Pence as a viable next President.

And for 1kiki: accidentally damaging SOUTH Korea is not illegal, does not break US law which you keep repeating as if impeachment is not a totally political act without any necessity for Trump to violate a law. But maybe, just maybe, some Congressional Republicans will be displeased with Trump for nuking S Korea. All Congressional Democrats are already displeased enough to impeach Trump before there is proof of Trump committing a crime.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:34 AM (P)

"... the president of the United States threatened to wipe a country of 25 million people off the map.

“Now North Korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life,” Trump said. He later added: “The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself.”"

I've read elsewhere (I'd have to dig it up) that the other half of this equation that *I* think needs to be there is something that the US won't commit to - and that's the promise that the US will not strike first.

But US policy has always been to reserve the 'first strike' option for itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use That understandably makes a lot of countries nervous and is helping drive the whole crazy-train forward.

IF you think the US might nuke you first, you could be driven to acquire a nuclear option of your own. Sure, you won't win a nuclear exchange, but you could make a US first strike painful enough to make the US think twice.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

THGRRI

Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:49 AM (P)

Tick Tock

SECOND

Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:43 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

But US policy has always been to reserve the 'first strike' option for itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use That understandably makes a lot of countries nervous and is helping drive the whole crazy-train forward.

IF you think the US might nuke you first, you could be driven to acquire a nuclear option of your own. Sure, you won't win a nuclear exchange, but you could make a US first strike painful enough to make the US think twice.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

I believe North Korea will build its nukes and Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles and Trump will run his mouth in opposition to please people like 6stringJoker. But if Trump gets a brain fart and foolishly believes his own overheated speeches, he could accidentally destroy South Korea over North Korea's nukes (which is perfectly legal and Robert Mueller could not charge Trump with a crime because being a stupid President is not yet a felony). Then Trump might lose enough support with Congressional Republicans who own Samsung TVs to get himself impeached overnight because they think he is a madman. 100% of Congressional Democrats will cheerfully go with the flow, making nice and sane Mike Pence our new President.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:24 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I am absolutely alright with Trumps statement to North Korea.

I don't think it's a madman thing to say.
So long as it stays as only talk, but if Trump actually does something that drops radioactive fallout on South Korea, the Congressional Republicans might see Mike Pence as a viable next President.

And for 1kiki: accidentally damaging SOUTH Korea is not illegal, does not break US law which you keep repeating as if impeachment is not a totally political act without any necessity for Trump to violate a law. But maybe, just maybe, some Congressional Republicans will be displeased with Trump for nuking S Korea. All Congressional Democrats are already displeased enough to impeach Trump before there is proof of Trump committing a crime.

Maybe, maybe, maybe...

Being displeased with a president, as far as I know, is not grounds for an Impeachment. If it is, it will not be a popular one at this point and there would be a lot of negative fallout from that decision to carry it forward without any proof of any crimes committed.

Maybe he does go crazy and actually sends a nuke. I seriously doubt that would ever happen. That was just Trump wagging his bigger dick back in Kim's face. Kim was just a little boy the last time anybody here ever did that to his Daddy.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:30 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

"... the president of the United States threatened to wipe a country of 25 million people off the map.

“Now North Korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life,” Trump said. He later added: “The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself.”"
I've read elsewhere (I'd have to dig it up) that the other half of this equation that *I* think needs to be there is something that the US won't commit to - and that's the promise that the US will not strike first.

But US policy has always been to reserve the 'first strike' option for itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use That understandably makes a lot of countries nervous and is helping drive the whole crazy-train forward.

IF you think the US might nuke you first, you could be driven to acquire a nuclear option of your own. Sure, you won't win a nuclear exchange, but you could make a US first strike painful enough to make the US think twice.

Doesn't that rationalization require a foundation of paranoia?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:36 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
"Your word "seem" is providing all the protective cover because the Trump White House seems to provide no more about its dealings with Russia "
begging the question, dishonest argumentation
Quote:
Did you read "How Trump Broke the Office of Government Ethics"?
www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/how-trump-broke-the-office-of-govern
ment-ethics

"Whether the meeting itself broke any laws seems debatable"
Your source doesn't support your desire to believe Trump broke the law..

Even when exclusively sourcing from the likes of NYT, MSN, NewYorker, NPR, ad nauseum, a false narrative still can't be developed against Trump?
Shirley, you must be joking.

THGRRI

Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:01 AM (P)

Tick tock tick tock.

6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, September 21, 2017 7:11 AM (P)

SECOND

Saturday, September 23, 2017 6:09 PM (P)

Trump is ‘prepping his base’ for a constitutional crisis to stop the Russia probe
http://warincontext.org/2017/09/23/trump-is-prepping-his-base-for-a-co
nstitutional-crisis-to-stop-the-russia-probe-says-lawmaker/

September 23, 2017

Raw Story reports: President Donald Trump is preparing his base for the constitutional crisis he’ll trigger by firing special counsel Robert Mueller, according to a congressional investigator.

Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the probe has gotten deep into sensitive financial areas involving Trump and his family, and he “impulsive” president was almost certain to fire the special counsel.

“The Mueller investigation could take at least another year, maybe two, but (the House) investigation is closer to its infancy than conclusion,” Quigley said Thursday, during a discussion at DePaul University College of Law. “In the meantime, we live with the very real threat that the Mueller investigation gets shut down.”

Quigley said the investigation, despite its complexity, had already revealed evidence of wrongdoing.

“If you had seen what I had seen you’d want me to go full throttle,” he said.

The lawmaker said he’s trying to communicate a sense of urgency, because he believes Trump is willing to risk democratic institutions and civil society to protect himself from the investigation.

“One of the reasons I speak the way I do when I message about this is I’m worried about a constitutional crisis,” Quigley said. “I think there is a reason he speaks to the base in the manner in which he does. He’s prepping them, girding them for this.”

THGRRI

Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:45 PM (P)

It's already been established that if Trump fires Mueller he will be put right back in place by the Senate as an independent investigator. That will be worse for Trump.

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump is ‘prepping his base’ for a constitutional crisis to stop the Russia probe
http://warincontext.org/2017/09/23/trump-is-prepping-his-base-for-a-co
nstitutional-crisis-to-stop-the-russia-probe-says-lawmaker/

September 23, 2017

Raw Story reports: President Donald Trump is preparing his base for the constitutional crisis he’ll trigger by firing special counsel Robert Mueller, according to a congressional investigator.

Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the probe has gotten deep into sensitive financial areas involving Trump and his family, and he “impulsive” president was almost certain to fire the special counsel.

“The Mueller investigation could take at least another year, maybe two, but (the House) investigation is closer to its infancy than conclusion,” Quigley said Thursday, during a discussion at DePaul University College of Law. “In the meantime, we live with the very real threat that the Mueller investigation gets shut down.”

Quigley said the investigation, despite its complexity, had already revealed evidence of wrongdoing.

“If you had seen what I had seen you’d want me to go full throttle,” he said.

The lawmaker said he’s trying to communicate a sense of urgency, because he believes Trump is willing to risk democratic institutions and civil society to protect himself from the investigation.

“One of the reasons I speak the way I do when I message about this is I’m worried about a constitutional crisis,” Quigley said. “I think there is a reason he speaks to the base in the manner in which he does. He’s prepping them, girding them for this.”

THGRRI

Sunday, October 1, 2017 12:56 AM (P)

Special counsel investigators start questioning White House staffers

Investigators have begun questioning White House staffers as part of the special counsel’s Russia probe

Tick tock, tick tock.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/special-counsel-investigators-s
tart-questioning-white-house-staffers/ar-AAsDdWQ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, October 1, 2017 2:41 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Special counsel investigators start questioning White House staffers

Investigators have begun questioning White House staffers as part of the special counsel’s Russia probe

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/special-counsel-investigators-s
tart-questioning-white-house-staffers/ar-AAsDdWQ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000

More msn Fake News Factory output? They must all be guilty, otherwise the Inquisitioners would never question them.

SECOND

Sunday, October 1, 2017 6:19 AM (P)

It ain’t over until the portly golfer sings.

https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/shifts-get-real-understan
ding-the-gops-policy-quagmire/

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, October 1, 2017 8:00 AM (P)

There is your WWIII, sans Clinton.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... the president of the United States threatened to wipe a country of 25 million people off the map.

“Now North Korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life,” Trump said. He later added: “The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself.”"

I've read elsewhere (I'd have to dig it up) that the other half of this equation that *I* think needs to be there is something that the US won't commit to - and that's the promise that the US will not strike first.

But US policy has always been to reserve the 'first strike' option for itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use That understandably makes a lot of countries nervous and is helping drive the whole crazy-train forward.

IF you think the US might nuke you first, you could be driven to acquire a nuclear option of your own. Sure, you won't win a nuclear exchange, but you could make a US first strike painful enough to make the US think twice.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, October 1, 2017 8:02 AM (P)

If the shoe fits...

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

"... the president of the United States threatened to wipe a country of 25 million people off the map.

“Now North Korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life,” Trump said. He later added: “The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself.”"
I've read elsewhere (I'd have to dig it up) that the other half of this equation that *I* think needs to be there is something that the US won't commit to - and that's the promise that the US will not strike first.

But US policy has always been to reserve the 'first strike' option for itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use That understandably makes a lot of countries nervous and is helping drive the whole crazy-train forward.

IF you think the US might nuke you first, you could be driven to acquire a nuclear option of your own. Sure, you won't win a nuclear exchange, but you could make a US first strike painful enough to make the US think twice.
Doesn't that rationalization require a foundation of paranoia?

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, October 1, 2017 8:09 AM (P)

Ha, ha, ha..........the portly golfer.....because, as we speak, he golfs!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It ain’t over until the portly golfer sings.

https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/shifts-get-real-understan
ding-the-gops-policy-quagmire/

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, October 1, 2017 8:12 AM (P)

Yes, keep believing that Fake News narrative...pretty soon, Mueller will "Fake" indict people, then "Fake" trial leading to "Fake" jail.....yes, keep believing.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Special counsel investigators start questioning White House staffers

Investigators have begun questioning White House staffers as part of the special counsel’s Russia probe

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/special-counsel-investigators-s
tart-questioning-white-house-staffers/ar-AAsDdWQ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=BHEA000

More msn Fake News Factory output? They must all be guilty, otherwise the Inquisitioners would never question them.

THGRRI

Sunday, October 1, 2017 10:17 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, keep believing that Fake News narrative...pretty soon, Mueller will "Fake" indict people, then "Fake" trial leading to "Fake" jail.....yes, keep believing.

SGG

Well said.

OONJERAH

Sunday, October 1, 2017 10:19 PM (P)

Is Countdown Clock to Trump's
impeachment getting close to ringing?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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